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День томуWe review the most anticipated Core i9 mini PC of the year the Minisforum MS-01 with SFP+ 10GbE networking, a PCIe slot, and 3x M.2 slots. This has almost everything for the Windows, Proxmox VE, Ubuntu, and Linux users. VMware users may take pause. We tested a ton of cards in this system as well to see how it would work in a homelab.
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Timestamps
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00:00 Introduction to the Minisforum MS-01
02:11 External Hardware Overview
05:12 Internal Hardware Overview
05:53 Intel Core i9 and DDR5 Area
07:01 The Low Profile PCIe Plot
08:13 3x M.2 Storage Options
10:49 U.2 Storage in a M.2 Slot and the Switch Warning Label
13:24 Performance with Intel Core i9-13900H
16:29 Power Consumption and Noise in Proxmox VE
20:00 Key Lessons Learned as a Windows Mini PC
20:29 Networking PCIe Card Plug Fest Testing for making a Firewall
24:49 Storage PCIe Card Plug Fest Testing for Making a NAS or VM host
26:34 Adding 8x 18TB Hard Drives for 144TB of Storage
26:54 PCIe Card Challenges
28:20 Wrap-up
@marcogenovesi8570 4 місяці тому
That feeling when random small chinese OEMs actually listen to customers while bic corporations still make the same NUC clones 10 years later
@YKSGuy 4 місяці тому
They listen but sometimes don't understand.. Case and point the R86s now has USB-C power, but it isn't standard USB-C PD power it is some funky direct wire that doesn't seem to work with a bunch of power supplies. The point of users asking for USB-C on it was so they could use standard high quality power supplies easily.
@weifengmao 4 місяці тому
@@YKSGuythis is probably due to cost constraints.
@fallow_ 4 місяці тому
@@weifengmao cost constraints? Do you know how cheap it is to get a little PCB that just requests the right voltage from a PD supply? Costs a couple of dollars, probably way less if you're an OEM
@nhansgoofyvideos7581 4 місяці тому
@@fallow_ sure a PD trigger is cheap... but you cannot just slap a port like that on the machine....
@YKSGuy 4 місяці тому
@@nhansgoofyvideos7581 but that appears to be what they did, but without the PD part, they just swapped the barrel with a USB-C physical port that does not seem to quite work with most USB-C power sources.. Slapping the PD board in there would probably have been more reliable or SIMPLY not changing from the barrel jack.. IN some ways a non standard USB-C is WORSE than a barrel jack.
@crimsionCoder42 4 місяці тому
Enterprise PC makers: “Customers get what they get.” Mini PC makers: “sure we can make that perfect homelab pc for you.”
@Galileocrafter 4 місяці тому
13:00 They could have made that voltage switch safe by design. Meaning, if you want to install the U.2 adapter, place the switch in a way that the adapter can only be installed when it’s switched „out of the way“. Same goes for the M.2 slot. Chance is, that it could be placed that both the U.2 and M.2 could only be installed when the switch is set to the correct voltage (position).
@pingtime 4 місяці тому
agree, they can use some NC pins to do auto-detection for required voltage supply instead of doing the "killswitch" method. The idea being atleast there's 2 NC pin on SSD that arent being used, both by SATA and NVMe protocol on M.2 M key, and if the user plug the M.2 to U.2 adapter, this two separate NC pins is shorted, thus telling the system to send 5/12V signal instead of 3.3V
@blkhackr 4 місяці тому
my problem with the switch is that it makes the standard connector none standard, installing a small jumper cable to bring the correct voltage to the adapter would have been much better in terms of safe i think.
@technerd9655 4 місяці тому
@pingtime that could work, although, I wonder if there's standards compliance issues preventing this, and if they want to sell the M.2 to U.2 adapter board as a separate SKU and be universal with other systems from other OEMs. Maybe the switch could have a plastic barrier that physically blocks the M.2 port when set to U.2 mode, that may be better. Having said that, a better design is certainly desirable and needed.
@technerd9655 4 місяці тому
@@blkhackror have a power connector on the motherboard that the adapter board slots into in the same way as it connects to the M.2 slot that provides the correct power.
@pingtime 4 місяці тому
@@technerd9655 From what I know working as ODM engineer, no, atleast PCI-SIG didnt really enforce it. For example, M.2 E key should have 2x1 PCIe lanes + USB coming off it, (yes, not PCIe x2, but 2 separate x1 lanes), but most manufacturer didn't bother, and when google released their dual coral TPU on M.2 E key form factor, almost all customer that tried it on their off the shelf M.2 E key slot only can use 1 of 2 TPU chip, since the second one routed to non-existent 2nd PCIe x1 lane.
@jolness1 4 місяці тому
Hell yeah! Love sth content, right in time for lunch. As always, Patrick’s enthusiasm is infectious
@ServeTheHomeVideo 4 місяці тому
Have an awesome day!
@robeckel4965 4 місяці тому
This is awesome! I wish this was available a year ago when I upgraded my NUC server. This product line is now on the top of my list for the next upgrade!
@mashw 4 місяці тому
I don't usually buy anything on impulse, but I immediately pre-ordered one of these as a barebone system when I saw the announcement as I had been looking for something *exactly* like this to both upgrade and downscale my aging 12U homelab. Glad there's no major faults and just a few quirks. Thanks for the thorough review!
@jolness1 4 місяці тому
Love the new studio. Not as intimate as the old one due to the format but looks awesome and I look forward to the content you guys will produce there!
@metaidentity 4 місяці тому
Yep. Not bad, but the lighting and the audio were a bit flat. Both need to be sharper in terms of mixing, color, also bokeh/depth. That's something that GN really gets right, and I'm sure it'll get fixed up eventually. :)
@lyndenp 4 місяці тому
Great review as always. Thank you for the time you take. There is obviously so much work that goes into what you present, an effort to be thorough and a desire to be informative. Keep up the great work, I look forward to your future content.
@markmonroe7330 4 місяці тому
Excellent presentation. Thank you. I have been on the watch for this one all week now.
@ServeTheHomeVideo 4 місяці тому
Glad you enjoyed it!
@joesweeney6262 4 місяці тому
I just purchased to minisforum : a venus and a Neptune series unit. Very impressed with the quality, and we will standardized on these as Linux boxed for power users in our business. What I really want is a unit like this to run over the top of my NAS.
@AD34534 4 місяці тому
I like the thin client form factor a lot more than the typical mini-PC form factor. It's similar to ATX cases where you can just pop off the side panel to swap parts, and also looks sleeker while taking up less horizontal space when it's setup vertically. When it comes to thermals though I'm not sure which one is better.
@BusAlexey 4 місяці тому
Awesome! Was waiting for this review 😄
@UKCG_2 3 місяці тому
Based on STH's positive review (as well as several other UKpostsrs), I took the plunge and ordered one of Miniforum's MS-01 barebone systems (i9-12900H) on January 13th. Based on the website's clear labeling, I figured it wouldn't even ship until March 29th. You can imagine my pleasant surprise, however, when it arrived two days ago (January 24th). The last components should arrive tomorrow, so soon I'll be building my own home server!
@harleyspawn 4 місяці тому
Impressive little box. I want to see how much external storage this thing can handle. It would make a great VM server with something like proxmox and truenas. It should have enough horsepower to handle a bunch of external drives, all the switching, and still have plenty left over for a few Windows VM's.
@shodan6401 Місяць тому
This is a really nice, versatile system. Totally wish I had an extra $700 laying around. So curious to see what people do with this hardware in your forum thread. - Great video and great resource with the forum!
@lemagreengreen 4 місяці тому
Impressive little box. They should look into GPU modules using mobile GPUs/power supplies in the same case, would be neat to be able to stack them and connect over USB4 with it looking quite neat.
@phxsisko 3 місяці тому
I just ended up pulling the trigger and pre-ordering one of these. I already got the Quotom unit previously reviewed (Q20332G9-S10 now sold out) and mentioned in this video. With the pair of SFP+ ports, it will be an easy path to 10Gb networking. I'm not moving over on day one, so i'm glad there's still a pair of 2.5Gb ports as well. This box will be perfect for any sort of transcoding and even some AI LLM use. Can't wait to get it.
@danknemez 4 місяці тому
Amazing video as always! I was eyeing this little box as an app server, but judging by what is written in the main site review and the lack of mention here, it does not support in-line ECC? Kinda feared that when I saw the 12900H/13900H CPU options. Oh well, with SFP+, U.2, a PCIe slot and all that, it really feels like it should be there.
@Enigma8750 4 місяці тому
I think this video should be a must for all Minisforum MS-01 team. I think you did more R&D than they did. Great video. You didn't trash the unit but you did give some Real-time Knowledge Base to the people considering using the product. Thanks for the work involved in this review. Very informative.
@GeoffSeeley 4 місяці тому
Bonus points from me for supporting 22110 format NVMe drives! I fear to go and look at the CDN price on this...
@rowenarrow 2 місяці тому
I love your content and have watch thise several times. I guess I will wait for the MS-02 and hope they make it bigger and with more airflow.
@hawkmanhawk 2 місяці тому
You had me at dual 10gb spf+. Three M2 slots and a pcie, just further seals the deal.
@hubstrangers3450 4 місяці тому
Thank you for a more detailed clip....appreciated
@thatLion01 4 місяці тому
Anither amazing indepth review from sth. Keep up the amazjng work. This tiny pc seens like an amazing homrlab platforrm
@ServeTheHomeVideo 4 місяці тому
Glad you liked it!
@ferawyn_ 3 місяці тому
Thanks for trying the QNAP adapter cards. That's exactly the use case I'm looking at. :-)
@ServeTheHomeVideo 3 місяці тому
Glad to hear it helped. I thought that would be something I wanted with this system.
@bastianb1024 4 місяці тому
I would like you to run your power tests in a low power configuration. Most people want a system like this as a home server. In a home server application, the idle power consumption is key and the max performance is almost irrelevant.
@xzaz2 4 місяці тому
Yhe the 10 watt is way to much. Power is expensive and everything above 8 watt is a no no. Would love to see how low it can go.
@notreal5311 4 місяці тому
Great video review as always -- appreciate the in depth coverage. I've been waiting for this video since you teased the MS-01 in the short. I know you recommended keeping below 25w, but the Minisforum website claims it can support a RTX A2000 Mobile so I'd have loved to see that claim tested. While you have a lot of server/IT fans, there's probably a lot of crossover for people who like gaming/workstation content and would like to see at least one or two cards tried out in that realm with the results documented. Thanks again, keep up the good work!
@ServeTheHomeVideo 4 місяці тому
I talked about it a bit more in the main site's review today. RTX A2000 Mobile support is modders in China. We could not get a LP single slot A2000 Mobile. You also need enough power for it (240-250W power brick) and it will drop the CPU power limits and performance by adding the A2000 Mobile.
@notreal5311 4 місяці тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo will double back to the article, thanks. Any other low profile half height graphics card would have sufficed. Tracking on the reduced power available and the bigger brick need. If you guys didn't have a bigger power supply for testing purposes I understand - just know there will probably be many comments asking about it (which is always good for the algorithm :V). Thanks!
@LordSaliss 4 місяці тому
I wish you would do actual tests on deep packet inspection throughput. That is a far higher demanding workload for using this as a modern firewall than just routing and stateful inspection. That other mini PC you talked about in this vid for comparison doesnt even come close to 10gb routing through the firewall to WAN when running something like Surricata or ZenArmor. This one *might*, but it would be nice to see some testing and see for sure just what it can do. This one may have more cores, but it is still only 200-400MHz faster (depending on if you have the 3758R or non-R), so single traffic stream performance likely wont be more than around 1gb faster. Coming from not only the bit of extra core speed but also more IPC in this CPU.
@n00byn4t3r 3 місяці тому
FWIW I run Suricata on an i3-8100 which is probably considerably slower than the i9-13900H, and it only uses about 25-30% CPU for 1gbit/s down. I’ve only ever checked global CPU utilization though, so I have no idea how well spread out it is over the cores. Still, I’d be confident in this machine being able to do well above 1 gbit. Will it manage 10 gbit? I’m not sure.
@hugevibez 4 місяці тому
I was about to buy the rack version of the R86 when I saw the announcement of this, the connectivity on this is insane! I wonder how hard it is to attach a pikvm to this (the ATX part), then it would be the perfect machine for a small cluster. The one thing that was holding me back from that unit was that I would want both SFP+ and a fast link to the rest of my network. With this I can run QFSP28 since it's PCIe 4.0 x8
@stanislavtrifan96 2 місяці тому
Do you really need pikvm here? As far as I understood it has some sort of ipmi already in it ( on the right 2.5gb nic)
@TerenceKearns 13 днів тому
4:50 I'm glad you showed the powerbrick. The website only gives you an option for a US power adapter but it doesn't say you could easily switch out the cable to suite your country.
@0xKruzr 4 місяці тому
side note: I'm not surprised the QNAP card didn't work; Minisforum rushes their BIOSes out the door. the option ROM on my Broadcom 10G cards screwed with the ability of my BD710is to POST and I bet the PCIe switch on the QNAP card triggered something in the Minisforum BIOS that caused it to have an aneurysm every time it tried to boot.
@JoePolaris 4 місяці тому
Great report, I’ve been looking for a VM test lab hardware, the product designers can fix the voltage switch by modifying the drive bracket, such that it cannot be installed unless the U.2 is selected, simple fix with sheet metal.
@SirSethery 4 місяці тому
7940HS would have been cool so we had built in AV1 encoding. The Arc Pro A40 is still MIA over a year later.
@bawla 4 місяці тому
Same sentiments. I'd probably hold out for the V2/next release.
@n0k0m3 4 місяці тому
AMD AV1 encoder is worse than QSV and NVENC, and if you are doing AV1 for archival purpose then CPU encoding is still far better. Streaming wise QSV h265 is already blazing fast so idk why there is this craze about AV1 hardware encoder
@SirSethery 4 місяці тому
@@n0k0m3 True. It would just be a nice to have if you use your server to encode streams in real time, assuming your other devices support AV1. Doesn't really matter, but being able to stream a movie from outside your home in just a tiny bit better quality at the same bitrate is worth it to some people. Would be great if the Arc A40 was actually available or if Nvidia cared about the low-power market. The last half-height, single-slot card we got from Nvidia was the GT 1030, and it doesn't even have an encoder. And the T1000 uses Pascal's NVENC.
@offspringfan89 3 місяці тому
@@n0k0m3From what I've read so far, the gap between AMF AV1 encoder and QSV and NVENC ones is far smaller then the gap between H.264 and HEVC encoders.
@n0k0m3 3 місяці тому
@@offspringfan89 ur right, my bias was from EposVox video 3-4 years ago, just got updated with the Tom's Hardware video encoding benchmark. Apparently gaps between AV1 encoders (NVENC, QSV, AMF, CPU) are between 1-2 VMAF points now and in some cases they are equal. Also FPS for QSV is a little bit lower as well so having the 7940HS will be indeed beneficial
@bridgetrobertson7134 3 місяці тому
Finally getting hardware that can do everything we need. Will be back for more research when I get time.
@CareyHolzman 4 місяці тому
Well done!! Studio lookin' good!
@ServeTheHomeVideo 4 місяці тому
Come see it again soon and check out this unit at the same time! I am around tomorrow
@AI-xi4jk 4 місяці тому
Awesome review Patrick! 👍
@kenyakking 4 місяці тому
Love this minisforum...wish it had gen 14 so we could use it for gaming too 🙂 Thanks for the thorough review and noticing that the SSD doesn't fit
@tombouie 4 місяці тому
Thks & solves my 10Gbps problem with my Synology NAS
@Psychx_ 4 місяці тому
I don't mind that the fan assembly is screwed in. Like how often is an end user realistically going to change the RAM? Once? I'm not convinced that a more convenient, toolless mechanism would be worth the accompanying bump in price.
@john_in_phoenix 4 місяці тому
Quality production for the review. Interesting product, very versatile for home services. Hopefully they listen to the constructive criticism.
@offspringfan89 3 місяці тому
Very thorough and fair review, thank you Patrick.
@ServeTheHomeVideo 3 місяці тому
Glad it was helpful!
@Yandarval 4 місяці тому
Rubber bands on SSD heat sinks are generally to accommodate double or single sides SSDs and allow placement to accommodate various SSD layouts. Clips or wires on a 3rd party SSD may short something.
@xoxide1017 4 місяці тому
Thank you.. THIS IS A PERFECT little mini pc for various uses...
@accesser 4 місяці тому
Would love to see them do more models in the same case, perhaps lower power than i9
@annebokma4637 4 місяці тому
The sound is better on the old set, some tweaking to be done. I hope they build this with an amd 8700g. I would buy that..
@pierrelambert446 4 місяці тому
Thank you for evaluating this system, I am looking to purchase those to make a xcpng or pro mod cluster. And evaluate if I make a nas with it or build a custom pc.
@dismuter_yt 4 місяці тому
I'd love a version with ECC support. The 13900H doesn't support it, but the HX or HRE suffixed versions would. Or perhaps something from AMD? But then we'd lose vPro.
@Wahinies 4 місяці тому
ECC overrated for non-NAS machines anyway
@dismuter_yt 4 місяці тому
@@Wahinies A multipurpose NAS is exactly what I have in mind
@marcogenovesi8570 4 місяці тому
@@Wahinies ECC is love, ECC is life
@JamfSlayer 4 дні тому
Patrick, the newest rev of the MS-01 with the 13900H, the U.2 or M.2 switch is now labeled higher on the board, so when you have that adapter installed, you can now see the mode the switch is set to.
@ServeTheHomeVideo 4 дні тому
Good to see they are taking my feedback.
@dangingerich2559 4 місяці тому
As far as that X710 issue goes, I recently received 14 new servers at work with a similar issue. While the cards install, there is no way to populate all the SFP ports, as the top port always has some obstacle. This would not work with any SFP module nor any SFP cable. So, we were stuck with just 3 ports actually being usable. Since it is just a test/education lab environment, it didn't really matter that much, but it still brings up that there are issues with any quad SFP port card and low profile. There just isn't enough room.
@filippopassadore 4 місяці тому
This guy would be PERFECT as a firewall/router/IPS in a homelab! Honestly a beautiful product, very powerful CPU for packet inspection and dual SFP+, it seems more of a piece of network equipment than a PC tbh
@aaronbrown3820 4 місяці тому
I subscribed because of the quality of your video 🎥 thank you
@xXxJakobxXx3 4 місяці тому
3:47 Intel NUCs, especially those with vPro give you the option to emulate a display when none is connected. It would be nice if Minisforum could program their BIOS in a similar way.
@movax20h 4 місяці тому
This is super cool. It has basically everything. Only way it could be better, is 1x25G instead of 2x10G. No front facing USB Type-C is a bit meh, but not a big deal. Would definitively be nice to see evolution of this. I am not in a need at the moment, but definitively interesting.
@deanwilliams433 2 місяці тому
Why one 25Gbs? I see two 10Gbs much more useful for a firewall device or router.
@LockonKubi 4 місяці тому
I'd be curious if you could forsake wifi and stick in a 2230 m.2 size drive to host your VM hyperadvisor or OS on (Proxmox, Truenas, Windows Server HypervV, etc) then have the 3 full sized built in m.2 drives in a RAID config.
@jimmyrogers918 4 місяці тому
That was part of my thought watching this. I'm searching for servers to run my office's proxmox cluster (we are moving off of VMWare after a recent renewal that almost didn't happen) I think 4 of these with a 128gb drive in the wifi slot and 3 2tb intel nvme drives would work perfect for running CEPH. 6tb usable space and the ability to run a melanox dual 25gb card is pretty tempting since I only need to store 2tb of data, just need it up all the time for medical work.
@PicklesTheOtt 4 місяці тому
The PC is neat and all, but I NEED to know why the bottom right corner of the talking head segments had a bit of the background pasted over it! Your hand passed behind it at 4:53 and it's driving me crazy wondering what could have been there that had to be edited out in post!
@Salica 4 місяці тому
@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks for the review ! Could you test if ECC memory is properly recognized and used ? If so, this mini server should be a dream machine for building ZFS NAS !
@estusflask982 4 місяці тому
no ecc
@omidyt8260 4 місяці тому
I've ordered this and waiting for the delivery. Thanks for the review. I was waiting for it.
@findingthereal9052 3 місяці тому
I wonder if a video IO would work like a BM Intensity 4K card, this would be a nice little network attached streaming/capture box with that i9 proc & iGPU.
@spiralout112 4 місяці тому
New studios looking great!
@Motlyh 4 місяці тому
Thank you! Good job!
@satamototo 4 місяці тому
About the PCIE slot inconvenient coverage, I have a Dremel :)
@ServeTheHomeVideo 4 місяці тому
It is probably easier just to take the faceplates off, but it is a pain.
@jabonorte 4 місяці тому
When I first saw this advertised I looked at the amount of stuff you could plug in and wondered if the number of PCIE lanes would be a problem. Is that what has slowed down the SSDs? If it is, would that affect the cards going into the slot?
@UKCG_2 3 місяці тому
Patrick was right. The clearance under the heat dissipation bracket and fan is so tight that you can’t even fit an ultra-thin heatsink (I.e., a .5mm silica gel pad and 1mm copper plate) on the second or third SSD (although placing it on the first SSD, which isn’t encumbered by the fan, isn’t a problem).
@woodduck 4 місяці тому
I think it would be neat to see how many drives you could fill a jbod with using a 3.5" sbc so it can be a drive and fan only system. I have a wafer-adl-p that can support 32 drives.
@RobinHoogenbosch 4 місяці тому
This would be a perfect as a nas. Pull the ssd and wifi out and have 4 m.2 drives and put in a pcie card with 2 more m.2 ports.
@fwiler 4 місяці тому
I wish he had tried something besides the qnap card with extra nics on it. I would like to see if 8x8 bifurcation is possible,. Otherwise it's a no go.
@Andre-jj6xs 4 місяці тому
I'd really love to see comparision with Lenovo ThinkStation P3 Ultra and HP Z2 Mini, when they've got a decent 2.5G/SFP+ update
@ServeTheHomeVideo 4 місяці тому
That might be interesting one day.
@juano402 Місяць тому
From a network performance point of view, which do you think it’s better? This one or the other that we’ve seen in the last review? The m.2 slots are pcie 5.0 compatibles? Do they comunicate directly with the CPU or they pass through the chipset? Is there any RAID support? Thank you
@YKSGuy 4 місяці тому
Wonder if they could make some 1u rack fins for it. didn't check the dimensions but it looks like it is about the size of some of those half width switches.
@clarkpoland435 4 місяці тому
On their webpage they show it as 48mm and Google shows that 1U is 44.45mm. Frustratingly close
@yannickgranger 4 місяці тому
Hey, looks great product !
@steve55619 4 місяці тому
Great video, thanks!
@ServeTheHomeVideo 4 місяці тому
Glad you liked it!
@nadtz 4 місяці тому
Between this and the Qotom system you guys recently reviewed it looks like some companies out there are listening to what the 'lower' end of the market and home labbers are looking for. Still needs some work but this is the first $400+ mini I'd consider buying over building my own or buying second hand. Now if they could stuff 2 of these into a 1u chassis with lower TDP CPU's (maybe AMD?) at a reasonable price... Well I can dream anyway.
@daninmanchester 4 місяці тому
I wish they would come up with 1u versions of this sort of thing. I've longed for the 4 port mini PCs to be in a rack case, instead they generally procuce overpriced mITX firewall appliances. You'd have a bit more room in a short form factor 1u case too for the PCI slot and power supply.
@ServeTheHomeVideo 4 місяці тому
We will have two pretty cool 1U systems later this month with 2.5GbE and 25GbE. Stay tuned.
@feedmytv 4 місяці тому
Supermicro has some nice 1u reverse mounted shallow boxes, That come with plenty of ports or have 2 or 3 pci-e slots available and some bang to do 5G edge stuff.
@slip0n0fall 4 місяці тому
The "problem" with 1U is that unless the integrator designed in custom ducting, cooling performance is absolutely abysmal without having 3-4 of those mini jet engine 40mm fans screaming all the time. Even at idle, comparing my i5-7500T which is in both a 1U server and a Lenovo m710q... The 1U consistently runs 10°+ hotter, and loud. The properly designed cooling (and external power supply) does it cooler and silently. Of course noise isn't usually a concern for rack equipment, but a lot of folks, arguably the majority of people buying such a system, have their homelab in their office or living environment.
@skaltura 4 місяці тому
power efficiency mode figures would have been interesting, to use as a server
@Andre-jj6xs 4 місяці тому
I had hoped you would tease integrated Management (remote kvm) and BIOS (has it BIOS or is it EFI?)
@tjstrato1 2 місяці тому
next mini file server i need this will be a great option.. thanks!
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 місяці тому
This is a lot of CPU for a file server!
@steffenstorli9327 2 місяці тому
good video 😀 Do you have any idea if it can use on-die ECC so-dimm
@blender_wiki 4 місяці тому
Did you try a pci controller with SFF-8088 connector? Can be a nice solution for a small backup storage, and proxies generator.
@movax20h 4 місяці тому
It is in the video. Yes, he tried. It works. Check the forum for the list of cards tested.
@Overlanding Місяць тому
Anyone tried running this as an OPNsense router bare metal with Suricata/ZenArmor? Was wondering how the 13900h holds up with threat protection... Might make a ncie small router...
@ManiacL1126 3 місяці тому
Great. Another new device I didn't know I needed. RIP paycheck.
@logan594 4 місяці тому
Wonder when/if ecc memory will become the standard.
@killgore2600 3 місяці тому
I would very much like to know if you can boot off the m.2 E key (wifi) slot? I would like to install a IDSDMs in that slot as the target for the OS, use the PCIE slot to put 2 more m.2 drives in there and run a 20TB Unraid box that hosts my pfsense, my NAS and services. I just wish I could fit more m.2 SSDs, but can only figure 5 total.
@Maverick87Shaka 4 місяці тому
@ServeTheHome maybe is worth to mention ( as a note ) that 96GB of RAM is supported only on the model with the Intel i9-13900H, the one with the i9-12900H only supports 64GB of RAM according to Intel design.
@MrBobbybrady 4 місяці тому
Thank you.
@Lollllllz 4 місяці тому
It may be worthwhile to test more than 64 gb on the 12th gen as Intel ark limits on ram isn't always a hard limit. The Intel N305 seems to work well enough with 32gb to have mini PCs ship with it even though it's limited to 16gb according to Intel.
@Maverick87Shaka 4 місяці тому
@@Lollllllz I've place the order for Intel 12th gen edition, maybe I can check on mine when arrives. I'll let you know, but I'm not confident it will works
@MattNukem 4 місяці тому
Upon further review, this is no longer as clear. Intel may very well have implanted a hardware block on the H CPUs out of spite for OEMs. Who's got a 12th gen coming that's willing to burn some money? Original comment: STH has tested 12th gen with 48 GB DIMMs, so this is incorrect. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/gKmdf6Z7pK2Sp3U.html Intel 12th gen absolteuly supports these DIMMs, and the mobos *should* be identical so there's no reason the 12th gen model won't. As always, documented support and actual support are never the same thing.
@Maverick87Shaka 4 місяці тому
@@MattNukem that particular CPU is listed to support up to 128GB by Intel, not surprise it works with a single 48GB SODIMM or a total of 96GB in 42GB by 2
@Antitux 4 місяці тому
I didn't know you were in Arizona. That's fun to find out!
@ServeTheHomeVideo 4 місяці тому
Just moved recently.
@Antitux 4 місяці тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo welcome!
@tlturner3 4 місяці тому
I have heard the qnap m.2 carrier has issues with Phison based nvme drives, not sure what you had in that unit just FYI.
@skaltura 4 місяці тому
This is insanely crazy awesome! :D Want one! No wait 40! :D
@bastian775 4 місяці тому
I still find it hard to decide what to do. Will the C3758 get 4 Gbit/sec over PPPoE with OPNsense, or do I go for something like this which I'm sure the CPU won't be a bottleneck. the I3-9100 I tried this with had very high CPU usage. My ISPs router must contain some special ASIC to be able to do this. Or do I go with the C3758 and get something like VyOS to be able to get rid of the PPPoE uses only 1 core limit.
@g.s.3389 4 місяці тому
what an amazing beast of miniPC!!!
@jjjjjjjjjjjj4751 4 місяці тому
Wow, the best small server available!! Got all that you want!
@illeatmyhat 4 місяці тому
What if you inserted a PCIe to OCuLink card in there? You should get better external GPU performance than thunderbolt
@notsohandyandy Місяць тому
Will the 8-bay QNAP DAS you showed work with the MS-01 running Unraid? I've heard the 16-bay version of the card does not play nicely with Unraid, but there seem to be success stories with the 8-bay...
@rydec349 4 місяці тому
they could put the switch under the ssd so if the switch in wrong position the m.2 dont fit. but their u.2 adapter have a hole that allow the switch to go thru at the u.2 position.
@r_firefly4292 3 місяці тому
I saw this machine but still got myself a Think Station P3 tiny. I chose an ES motherboard so that I got 3 M.2 slots. I paired the P3 tint with the i5-12400 and it was 1/3 cheaper than the MS-01 with the 12900H option. There seemed to be an i5-12450h option with the MS-01, but it is not available and we don't know when they will start selling this option. I don't really like the i9 CPU that MS-01 provides right now because I don't want to stretch the cooling system too far. I did see the appeal of the dual 10G NIC but for someone who doesn't really need it, it is a piece of hardware that consumes power and does nothing. On the other hand, I can add USB type A, DP, HDMI, or TypeC with video and charging to the Tiny via expansion modules, which makes it very flexible. However, doing this does sacrifice the PCIE cutout. It is also more difficult to install PCIE cards sideways compared to Tiny's riser approach. At least it doesn't require a special PCIE bracket though. All in all, I think both MS-01 and P3 Tiny are both nice SFF machines. It really comes down to whether you prefer the dual 10G SFP port and the USB4 port, (Yes, it is USB4 rather than Thunderbolt, although they are functionally the same.) or more flexibility. I will also provide a quick technical comparison here for anyone interested: P3 Tiny |VS| MS-01 form factor: Standard size |VS| A bit larger than Standard size. (Matters if you want to put it in a server rack.) CPU: Any CPU from Intel 12,13 and 14GEN |VS| 13900H,12900H, or 12450H. (12450H not available yet.) iGPU: MS-01 is always better as mobile chips always get better iGPU compared to their desktop counterpart. NIC: i219-LM 1Gx1 |VS| i226v 2.5G + i226LM 2.5G +x710 10Gx2. (Both machines can support vPRO.) PCIE: Gen4/5 x8 |VS| Gen4/5 x8. (Gen5 is available on 13th Gen CPUs.) PCIE specific: Need custom PCIE bracket |VS| Difficult to install and uninstall. USB Expansion: 4x10G type A + 2x5G type A + 1x10G type C |VS| 3x10G type A + 2x 480 M(2.0) type A + 2x40G USB4. (Tiny can expend 4x 5G type A or 1x10G type C with Video and charging expansion module, by giving up the PCIE cutout) Video Expansion: DP1.4 + HDMI 2.0 |VS| HDMI 2.0 + 2xUSB4. (Tiny can expend 2xDP, 2xHDMI, or 2xTypeC DPalt via the expansion module, by giving up the PCIE cutout.) Storage Expansion: 2xM.2 |VS| 2xM.2 + 1x M.2/U.2. (Tiny get 3xM.2 on the ES motherboard.)
@Jonny_O 4 місяці тому
Would adding a warning label that’s visible even when a SATA drive is installed be enough to address the concern regarding the M.2 port voltage setting?
@ferrari2k 2 місяці тому
That really looks cool, ok, it is expensive, which you might expect with that performance, but for a non-desktop system that really looks as good as it gets :D
@WesM63 3 місяці тому
I think they're on the right track. Could use quite a bit of refining though. I'll stick with my P360 Ultra for now.
@pleappleappleap 2 місяці тому
Hmmm! This might be a compelling upgrade from my cluster of EliteDesk 800 G4 boxen. I should be able to pick up the barebones with the 12900H and reuse my memory and move my external Optane cache inside the box. I wonder if someone makes a low-profile 40Gbe or 100Gbe card that will work well.
@pleappleappleap 2 місяці тому
It's looking like I may even be able to use some ConnectX-3 cards I already have in my pile! I just have to find a low-power 40Gbe switch. Anyone have any suggestions?
@pleappleappleap 2 місяці тому
And they have one with an i5-12450H for only $420. That's still a pretty good upgrade for me. I have six cores now. This takes me to 4p4e. Same number of threads. I'll have to decide if it is worth the extra $130x3 to have the i9-12900H with its 6p8e and eight more threads.
@pleappleappleap 2 місяці тому
I would love it if they could put an ECC-compatible CPU in one of these.
@LiLBitsDK 4 місяці тому
is a physical issue with the left SFP port at 4:17 upper left corner, it isn't "assembled" correctly
@marcogenovesi8570 4 місяці тому
the cage is made of bent metal, it can be buffed out
@awetisimgaming7473 4 місяці тому
I would love to see if Minisforum would want to do an xmc style in plac eof the pcie card since they already did the qsfp+ ports. Not that they should get rid of the original, but if they did that, I can guarantee they'd corner that market
@terminalvelocity4858 4 місяці тому
Great review! Since the 2.5Gb ports are different (Intel i226-V/i226LM), would they still work fine (supported) on OPNSense as a router for WAN/LAN? ProxMox? Thanks! Edit: Yes, I am aware this unit is probably overkill for such a basic scenario, just curious about compatibility.
@0bsmith0 4 місяці тому
They have been supported since the driver was first introduced 3 years ago.
@le4fkicker 4 місяці тому
I have not been able to hand out dhcp leases using the i226LM nic for some reason using a NUC12, running pfsense/proxmox. The i226-V works fine, I have not worked out why.
@terminalvelocity4858 4 місяці тому
@@0bsmith0 i226-V is no problem of course, but the i226LM is my concern.
@terminalvelocity4858 4 місяці тому
@@le4fkicker That was my concern, thanks for clarifying. Not sure why that would happen, especially if the hardware is detected. Maybe a setting. I have read something about AMT needs to be disabled by SMBus or CSME settings in order to get DHCP Server working, but not sure if that would apply here. Also, have heard this specific problem on pfSense, so maybe a setting/driver issue. Curious if OPNSense has this problem...
@le4fkicker 4 місяці тому
@@terminalvelocity4858 yeah its not great as I have to run pfsense on a different port. I have AMT enabled with dedicated static ip set in the bios on the i226LM interface. I guess I could fire up a opnsense vm when I have some time...
@codys1108 2 місяці тому
When he's at the other set potinting at the board I felt like I was watching a weatherman. The wattage trackerman, in other news back to you Patrick.
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 місяці тому
Just trying to mix it up a bit versus just having me sit around
@codys1108 2 місяці тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo lol I wasn't saying I didn't like it! I had ya on my side screen at work and thought it looked like a weatherman set haha.
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