I had a lot of trouble going from windows to Linux a handful of years ago(I think) but it was just new to me. I wasnt used to eventually usin the cli , which most will probably have to do at some point for whatever the reason . It was just a totally new experience . I now feel addicted to learning to tame my softwares to my needs, or at least try to. I love the challenges, I feel I grow from them by suffering through the discomfort of troubleshooting. But most Linux users dont go under the hood as much as I do, I def seem to invite more trouble by my tinkering with my distros than most. So I bet its pretty damn stable for most normies who use less bleeding edge distros than I do, I run Arch, btw ;) lol

Years ago, there was definitely a barrier, as you had to download floppy disk images, write the images to the floppies, then manually partition the drives, etc. But I started learning programming on a computer that you had to input binary codes via paddle switches, to start the code to use a keyboard and monitor. I also used the DOS debug command to low level format MFM and RLL hard drives. These days, you download an ISO image, click a few things to write it to a flash drive, and away you go. Installation offers some manual options, but it does most of the work for you. CLI is optional for most tasks these days.

@@desmondsparrs I use LTS distros. A hardware failure is more likely than a software issue for me anymore. But I also work on servers, so I want to be able to develop in the same kind of system as the target. Yes, my laptop probably has Apache and MySQL Server on it. Not everyone of them, but some do.

Missing Out on what exactly? I am genuinely curious. I use Ubuntu 22.04LTS by the way 😁

@@ArniesTech Productivity

@@user-pk3ef8hc3e Haha, jokes on you, I'm left handed! Also I use Arch Linux BTW

@@ArniesTech Well for one, I remember having to install a lot of unintuitive software to get stuff working for windows. It's been a while so I only really remember struggling with python or something. In general, installing software for development (like runtimes) and running them is so much easier. Since the cli is pretty much a first class citizen when it comes to intended use of software, it is very easy to figure out how things work. When it comes to switching to linux being the best thing one can do, for developers I would have to agree. For others it is definitely a YMMV situation. Having to tinker and read documentation to figure out how shit works just helps you understand how the software you're trying to develop SHOULD operate. Using Linux as a platform for development is also more streamlined than on windows, where larger development environments seem to be par for the course, if not almost necessary. Overall, I love the minimalism of Linux. People who don't learn terminal super powers are definitely missing out, although you can always get the job done any other way as well. :)

As a c++ developer the biggest mistake I have ever made is nit switching from windows to Linux earlier. Setting up a project on windows can literally take hours for every single project and you end up with tons of painful issues. On linux it takes literally seconds to do the same thing. Schools really need to teach c++ under a linux environment. Some programming languages are simply not made for windows.

that's one thing I hate about windows when I use it: the flagrant popups. The occasional check-in from defender saying it hasn't found any malware is alright, but the ads are too far. I should opt into ads if I want them and not see them if I don't opt in.

@@xXx_Regulus_xXx I agree. It works like Microsoft constantly tries to remind you that you don't own the system YOU PAID to use (either buying it's license for a desktop or paying it's price integrated on the value of a laptop). I'm using Mac right now, and although I have this feeling a little less than when I used Windows , sometimes it still exists. I'm already looking to sell it and, wheater I build a desktop or buy a laptop, I will return to Linux to have my sense of freedom back.

What do you do on Linux that you cant do on windows?

Yeah and ubuntu, which isn't the lightest distro out there, uses less the half the RAM windows does, and also way less memory

"after 3hrs"

​@@kylespevak6781Something something if you dont value your time

The top notch security of Linux is unmatchable

yes im not a computer person at all im a ole car mechanic and when i say old im not a computerized car mechanic i work with shit that has mech injection and carburetors hell all my stuff is mechanical with all that said i use linux mint and so does my almost 70 year old mom just regular xfce and if we can do it i imagine so can just about anyone else so im not of the opinion that only computer people can use linux. matter of fact thats why linux doesnt grow more cus of this bull that people keep spitting out. yes arch and kali stuff like that is for computer oriented persons but there are some fine distros for noobs also. its funny when you hear people say well gee linux mint or pop os isnt really the linux experience what a bunch of bull

I don't miss windows, i miss applications. I could use Linux on desktop and windows on lap top but if my lap top dies,my desktop is useless for work/school. Visual studio 2022, SQL managment studio, PL/SQL developer, Microsoft word...

@@thequietone2868 Exactly, what is missed the most are the applications. Not the OS

Even my mom could use Ubuntu 5.10 when I had it installed on an ancient PC with 256 mb of ram. I taught her how to boot up and get to gmail on firefox.

Used it for some time. Completely agree.

Based

Mine were RedHat 4.2 and Suse 5.2

Now I do miss Corel Draw and JASC PhotoPaint ( Corel bought it and ruined it ) But otherwise, I don't miss much from Windows or Mac. I have a Windows 10 laptop, but I use it so rarely, I think that it is still a 2019 version of Windows. My 2014 MacBook Pro mostly ran Ubuntu 14.04, but I needed the Mac side to update firmware and update my Garmin GPS. I tried using Windows for a couple weeks a while back, October I think it was, but about half way through, I ordered a new drive, and within two hours of the drive arriving, I had the drives swapped and Linux on the computer

In order to get anything compiled on Windows I have to try to turn windows into Linux by installing msys2 or cygwin so I can even navigate a terminal. Tried visual studio once and it was the worst thing.

ThinkPad's in general are great for Linux, I also use mostly restored ThinkPad's, and have worked on restoring them.

I ran some photo apps on Linux inside of a VirtualBox VM on my Mac and they ran faster than the native Mac versions. I'm not kidding, I was surprised.

Why do the physics students use Linux so much? I know they program but that's obviously only part of it since the CS students are not as into Linux from what you said.

@@ghosthunter0950 Much of the curriculum assumes windows for CS classes and barely acknowledge macOS. A lot of the software we use for our data depends on other FOSS projects, and FOSS is strongest and easiest to use in Linux. I would have had to get mingw and cygwin if I had not duel boot, which can have their own quirks. In particular I was looking to use something called PRESTO for pulsar search. Even the computers used by the telescopes were linux and sshing is also just easy on linux.

and also ssms,

Yeah this is definitely one of the bigger developer problems I've heard as well. Visual Studio seems to be in a class (according to them, I never liked it) of its own for larger C/C++ projects and it is truly a shame it isn't available. Makes one wonder why there's no good alternative or is it just people not wanting to switch their tools? I've heard good things about CLion, but I'm not sure if that is as full featured.

Sounds like the companies you have worked for invested too much in Microsoft's proprietary software such as MSVC, DirectX, etc. If the software was developed from the ground up with open source compilers and frameworks, it likely wouldn't be an issue to use any IDE you like. I don't think many people already programming in Linux as is would want Visual Studio on Linux, as it's probably the most bloated and slow IDE out there that's widely used.

​​​@@robertharris4129 I don't know if I agree with the notion of "being too invested" for a blanket statement.. In some/many/most cases, sure. However if you worked for a AAA video game studio any more than maybe 5 years ago, Windows was really the only option for graphics heavy titles if you cared about frame rates. Similar story for the defense simulation industry. While there are certainly non-GUI components/systems that can be written for and run on Linux systems, the main GUI the instructor uses has predominantly used MFC, Windows Forms, or WPF for decades for the same reason. In simulation where you're maintaining and adding features for 10-40 years afterward, redesigning from scratch would cost millions of dollars for development and again for regression testing. Sometimes trainers are bootstrapped off of older trainers to allow lower bids on contracts, which can then again be used to bootstrap a newer trainer, which can result in you coming across the usage of containers that Microsoft created years before the STL existed.

I installed Mint on my gaming desktop (my only personal PC) a couple weeks ago and haven't touched Windows since then. All of my games I've tried have been playable, including some obscure indie stuff that definitely wasn't made with Linux users in mind. At this point, I figure if something refuses to run on Linux, I can just skip it, kind of like how I don't bother with console exclusive games. There is no shortage of games to play, lol.

Agree with what you are saying

Yes and they used Windows and it was such a shit show.

@@cherubin7th why? They still do.

That's great how you keep perfectly good hardware out of the landfills.

Windows for game dev, TempleOS for everything else

​@@smudgeous4068 If you look at it that way the Commodore 64 can do both

Apparently C++ developers can't do math.

@@exnihilonihilfit6316 sorry I didn't have time to recheck the schedule. I have to install the dependencies for my project on windows

You can dual boot and use Windows for adobe programs, and linux distro for the other things

​@@BlueSkyNinj4 That's exactly what I have been doing for close to 10 years now. My daily driver is Linux, but I am dual-booting Windows for when I need to use something like Adobe products.

I use Jetbrains IDE's too, what is wrong with how they work on Windows? They work The same for me on Linux and Windows.

@flogginga_dead_horse4022 Nothing. I use them on Windows, too. They work great in Linux and Windows. I chose to use them because they are cross-platform. I do use Visual Studio in Windows. It's a good IDE, but I can't use it in Linux. So I use Jetbrains Rider for that. Clion is pretty awesome, too.

@@maxdeusphallus8974 agreed

Granted there's very few games you can't run on Linux at this point. It's pretty much down to a lot of anti-cheat software freaking out about it.

You sure are lucky 'cause I wasn't. From windows xp to 10, the systems were progressively stable but not as stable as I found on Linux. Right now, I'm toying around with windows 11 to see if it can be a good alternative to Linux for me.

Things break on windows. A lot of times stability tends to come down to if your hardware for your system is crap or not and if your system actually meets system requirements. A lot of prebuilt computers have absolute trash parts inside them which causes more issues as a result. Cheap parts from no name brands are not worth the material they’re made of. If you build your own system you typically have fewer issues. I had a no name brand motherboard once and once I replaced it with an actual brand that is reliable, all Of the issues I had went away. Laptops are especially guilty of using garbage tier parts.

Malware on any OS is possible. Linux isn’t as susceptible to it because you’re typically installing your software through a package manager. You aren’t typically installing random executables on the internet and every terminal program I’ve used warns me about copy pasting commands and trying to run them without understanding what it does. The individual user isn’t typically the target for malware on Linux. It’s companies and enterprises running servers who have money. Windows is the next one because a lot of companies use windows and interact with the Linux side of things through software like Putty. It’s a lot easier to get malware on windows, especially if you’re downloading random files from the internet and running them without a second thought. Even still, most malware you see online these days just installs stealth crypto mining software on your machine. Most malware authors would rather encrypt your data for ransom than just out right destroy your system like older malware aimed to usually do. Honestly I can’t think of too many times I’ve gotten malware even on Windows. In fact, most of my family members have gotten malware. The last time I remember actually having malware was on the family computer when we were still running Windows Me. 🙄 Since XP and onward I don’t remember the last time I actually got malware. If I’ve had it, it’s stealthy crypto miners. But I don’t really use windows on my personal machine anymore. And every company I’ve ever worked at has had their own software management software to download programs they approve of. So you’d have to open an email that uses exploits to run malware typically in the office scenario. Considering Microsoft has said they refuse to actually patch a well known issue with their Microsoft office suite where even just viewing the preview for it can infect your system… and the fact that windows has been proven to basically be spyware… the only benefit to windows is if you’re a gamer that absolutely must play the newest releases. Otherwise, I don’t really see the point to Windows. You can use their online office suite on anything with a modern web browser if you must continue to use their 100% compatible office software. Otherwise there are more than enough options that are nearly 1:1 compatible with the docx format. Felt like I wrote an essay. You don’t need to use Linux. I’ve been using it for about half a year now and haven’t had too many issues. It’s not difficult to resolve most issues. There’s so many resources. The only major issue I had recently was 29.0.1 of OBS wouldn’t work but the latest version and the version before that one work fine. It isn’t too much hassle to go back to the last working version. It’s a bit easier on Linux in my opinion than on windows. although, if the software is proprietary and it breaks suddenly on your system it usually isn’t easy to find a safe earlier version unless you just never clear out wherever you download your files to. I honestly prefer package managers. Windows has them too, but I don’t know how good they are by comparison.

I understand you’ve used Linux for some time as well, but honestly I’ve had more compatibility issues on windows and they might be resolved by “reinstalling the OS entirely” which isn’t convenient either in my book. To each his own. I’m not exactly a Linux preacher looking to convert everyone. I’ve had issues on every OS I’ve used.