The Ultimate Sealed Enclosure - 140db SPL Score - With Only 1,000 Watts

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BudgetBassHead

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See me Design - Model - Test & Demo A sealed subwoofer enclosure with NVX VCW122 and Slaps M-12 passive radiators by Earthquake sounds. Watch me achieve an SPL score or 140.1db at 37Hz with only 1,000 watts of power. Much thanks to Sonic Electronix for providing the NVX Subwoofer in this build. You can support my channel by following the affiliate links below. Thanks in advanced.
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Chapters
0:00 - Intro
2:02 - Purpose of This Build
4:00 - Unboxing VCW12
4:50 - Unboxing Slaps M-12
6:00 - Design Your Box - WinISD Pro
9:30 - Model Your Box - Sketchup
12:00 - Wood Selection - MDF
12:42 - How To Inspect Sealed Enclosures
13:40 - SPL Test - Weighted Passive Radiator
22:20 - Tuning Your Passive Radiator
26:30 - SPL Test - Non-Weighted Passive Radiator
31:15 - Music Demo - Non-Weighted Passive Radiator
33:38 - Pros and Cons
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@mikegreen2229
@mikegreen2229 Рік тому
Man I wish I had this info in the 90’s instead of just spending my minimum wage pay on the biggest amps and subs the car could handle! This is awesome
@josephhale9198
@josephhale9198 Рік тому
Thats for damn sure
@edubbdizzle8096
@edubbdizzle8096 Рік тому
Lol the 90's had some amazing systems but literally no-one sound dampened their rides and everything always sounding like it was falling apart.😂😂😂
@robwithrbk
@robwithrbk Рік тому
@@edubbdizzle8096 Cause dynamat was crazy expensive.
@RjctdEK
@RjctdEK Рік тому
​@GoldenStateOfMindSD yea people wanted gold for that shit back then. People would use 3m black caulking and carpet filler under or behind pannels worked just as well and I remember the old dynamat use to melt away when I use to do car audio 20+yrs ago
@jasonsmith9161
@jasonsmith9161 Рік тому
@@robwithrbkwas!?! It still is.
@jsmith416
@jsmith416 Рік тому
Straight up old school! Awesome job man! That’s exactly what we did back in the 90’s. This is one of the best subwoofer videos I have seen in a spell!
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Glad you enjoyed it. Its inspired by the 90's builds. You are the first on to actually catch that. 💯
@tommymorris4450
@tommymorris4450 Рік тому
I'm now working on a build very similar to this one. I want to thank you. I had forgotten about how good passive radiators really are.
@tommymorris4450
@tommymorris4450 Рік тому
I gotta question about my new build. How many passive radiators should I use with one 12 inch active subwoofer in my trunk?
@tommymorris4450
@tommymorris4450 Рік тому
I was wondering would 2 10 inch passive radiators be ok?
@bronwynkaye9277
@bronwynkaye9277 5 місяців тому
Majority of my audio setups do mid to high 140s. My g6 had 2 12" Phoenix gold sx12d4s doing 144 to 145db under 400rms. I eventually upgraded and average 148db 25hz to 41hz.
@PLATINUMSWORDS
@PLATINUMSWORDS Рік тому
This was a learning experience for me. Was always told to stay away from passive subs and just brute force it. That is a killer budget setup.
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Thanks for checking it out. I really wish you guys could hear it in person. It really surprises me every time.
@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128
@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128 Рік тому
@@BudgetBassHead you were so thorough in this video. I would definitely enjoy seeing you upload an educational video regarding Sketchup... As this is my first time hearing about it. Looks like I'll be checking out Sketchup. Thanks!
@matthahn8714
@matthahn8714 Рік тому
Awesome job man! I was wondering if you could possibly steer me in the right direction? Do you think this could work with am 8 or 10 inch set up? Obviously won't be as loud, but could be an option for people who can't fit12,'s. Thanks
@skydyverjym
@skydyverjym Рік тому
Same here. I always thought it defeated the purpose by absorbing energy sapping the system
@michaelrodgers6559
@michaelrodgers6559 Рік тому
@Matt Hahn it's a great way to go at any size. I had two of the kicker 10" sub/radiator slim boxes behind the rear seat in my crew cab pickup, and they punched like MAD without broadcasting it to the whole block. That's the power of 10" setups: in the car, apocalypse. Outside: no one really notices. Having had systems jacked twice before over the years, I don't like being obvious.
@dennisbeck2521
@dennisbeck2521 Рік тому
I have never considered a passive radiator setup to be a sealed enclosure. I always lumped them in with ported enclosures. The real benefit of a passive radiator setup is that it allows the user of a smaller enclosure volume than what is typically feasible with a ported enclosure due to the length of the port required for a small enclosure. Fwiw, I entered the $150 challenge using a $70 Ignite r1600/1d amp and Rockville K6-12 in a stock 4runner and scored a 141db at 39hz sealed in the kick. It is amazing what can be done with modern budget gear.
@PhatkatCollections
@PhatkatCollections Рік тому
A passive radiators setup is not a sealed enclosure. It's comparable to a bass reflex / ported enclosure .
@Bobcatspiritdude
@Bobcatspiritdude Рік тому
Who remembers the aperiodic membrane enclosures ???
@Bobcatspiritdude
@Bobcatspiritdude Рік тому
@@PhatkatCollections agreed . I think it was just a general reference that the actual Box is technically sealed , And not venturedAnd not vented .
@laredopotato
@laredopotato Рік тому
Does anyone know who won that challenge??
@robwithrbk
@robwithrbk Рік тому
@@Bobcatspiritdude Aperiodic and Passive Radiators were def more of a home audio thing. I don't think I've ever seen Aperiodic in Car Audio. Totally forgot about those.
@joea55
@joea55 Рік тому
I have a similar setup. Output was way more than expected with my 1200 watt amp. I’m using one 12” NEP advance and a 12” earthquake passive radiator. Also it is very musical and plays deep. Best sounding setup bass wise I’ve ever owned.
@Chris_Wolfgram
@Chris_Wolfgram Рік тому
I’ve had the same experience 🙂👍
@julesbruchez-outperformtra2020
@julesbruchez-outperformtra2020 Рік тому
I need a passive radiator for my two 10” Infinity
@JonathanDillonfds-fx
@JonathanDillonfds-fx Рік тому
I've always been told that passive radiators shouldn't exist on the same face as the active subwoofer. This was a nice post to see. Expanding my ideas for my build. Thanks.
@matthewmattson6881
@matthewmattson6881 Рік тому
Kicker does it right out of the box with their comp RT line
@evilinside5984
@evilinside5984 Рік тому
You are correct, passives perform best on opposite sides. Best performance is obtained by placing passive backwards= loads the lower freq. better, and helps with the rear wave time alignment to reinforce the front wave. If the guy in this video had the powered sub forward, and the passive backwards it would have performed even better. Also, i talked directly to the owner of earthquake about these slaps 12 inch passives. Most people like the guy making this video think you need 2 of the same dia. passive radiators, as 1 powered subwoofer,= you dont, its just suggested to use 2x the effective piston area. These slaps have just over 100mm= just over 4 inches of peak to peak x max, so you can use 1-12inch subwoofer(as long as it has 25mm of 1 way x max, or less), with 1- 12inch slaps, also earthquake recommends using the subwoofers rec. Sealed enclosure specs with their slaps units! So in this video, if he had bought a second subwoofer, and mounted them forwards( and used the same 2cu. Ft. total for both powered 12s, and 2-12inch slaps), and had the two 12inch slaps on the backside of the box, facing his rear tailights, this would have been really loud, and still deep!
@evilinside5984
@evilinside5984 Рік тому
@@matthewmattson6881 Yes they do, and it sacrifices performance! They do it, because it fits. Any orientation will play/work. And will outperform the same regular sized sealed enclosure's low freq. extension, but it's not optimal.
@lllllllllllllllllllll1lll1
@lllllllllllllllllllll1lll1 Рік тому
It'll do aight on the same side of the box, it just takes more tuning to keep them in phase. A lot of builds don't get the phase right (which isn't that difficult to dial in) and it causes weird comb filtering effects. It's definitely doable, not quite as straightforward as tossing in a port and calling it a day.
@tatialo37
@tatialo37 Рік тому
I like this box! Best of both worlds, sealed and ported!!!
@2002ZRX1200R
@2002ZRX1200R Рік тому
The ebp of the sub will determine it's low end roll off in a sealed enclosure, and adding radiators is the same as porting.
@Chris_Wolfgram
@Chris_Wolfgram Рік тому
I know I have heard exactly what your saying about PR’s for a long time. But I’ve built a BUNCH of ported enclosures, probably more than 30 of them in the last 40 years…. I’ve been doing this for a while 🙂 And none of my ported setups sounded as good as my 18” PR setup. My previous enclosure with two 15”s were a little louder, but not as musical. Not sure why, but it is just the fact of the matter.
@2002ZRX1200R
@2002ZRX1200R Рік тому
@@Chris_Wolfgram enclosure design makes a difference. Without accurate tsp's proper enclosures or plots are impossible. Pr's are more friendly due to a potentially lower order rolloff, but nothing sounds better than a driver with good specs in it's optimum enclosure. TSP's are key.
@dabosssr24
@dabosssr24 Рік тому
Agreed. Ive played with both. And u dont have to have a ton of power in a ported enclosure if designed correctly. Port area and tuning will play a huge in how low itll play and still maintain a good bandwidth
@dabosssr24
@dabosssr24 Рік тому
Ive found while wi isd helps a ton with designing a proper enclosure it doesnt take cabin vplume snd resona t into account. Another words the cabin will be a main factor in the overall final response.
@2002ZRX1200R
@2002ZRX1200R Рік тому
@@dabosssr24 It's not hard to factor that in once the cabin is mapped with an rta.
@ShredRMK824
@ShredRMK824 4 місяці тому
I have a slaps12 runed around 32hz with one 12 dvc sub running on 460 rms, love it.
@joeymitsurax5153
@joeymitsurax5153 19 днів тому
Bro!! Thank you for making this video!! It is very inspiring to try and attempt my own build. I'm definitely considering the passive woofer now that I understand how big a difference it can make!! Thanks again
@thebreakbarrelshow
@thebreakbarrelshow Рік тому
You said " I don't know why there isn't more people running radiators ?" My answer is one word EDUCATION.. That goes for me too. This is the first video on radiators I've ever gave the time of day . Mostly because they just cant explain the process. I really enjoyed this and learned a lot. I watch a lot of your others as well. Well done sir !
@thebreakbarrelshow
@thebreakbarrelshow Рік тому
Oh yeah , one question. How is this type in tight bass ? I love the blues , classic rock.. Sometimes i just wanna 'lower the dynamite ' showin my age there..lol
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Without the weights, they are very 'punchy'. BTW... I grew up on DJ Magic Mike as well. 💯
@thebreakbarrelshow
@thebreakbarrelshow Рік тому
@@BudgetBassHead Nemesis etc..lol ahhh the good old days..
@pimpin94553
@pimpin94553 Рік тому
I just watched a couple of your videos for the first time. Fantastic job. At first I thought this was a actual commercial for NVX subwoofer, your editing and close up shots were spot on. Keep up the good work! You just got a new subscriber.
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Welcome aboard!
@SoberBassHead
@SoberBassHead Рік тому
Wow!!! You just inspired me to change my entire build!! Great job!!
@raulfernandez9111
@raulfernandez9111 6 місяців тому
Thank you for doing an in depth review on the slaps and how the weights affect it.
@joshuakemp1439
@joshuakemp1439 Рік тому
Awsome information video. The showing the 40hz moving the active driver and then lower on the radiators was kool. I had no idea thats what those did and i wunder why more arent using to get more out of thier builds. More room means more room to play in
@mattneedham4749
@mattneedham4749 Рік тому
This is genius man really. I intend on following your example here for myself. I ain't gonna make no video but im dead ass serious about replicating it with the specs of my whip. I'm 5 months late but THANK YOU Sir. You've made a very impressive video here and it's 💯 correct everything you said and you didn't just prove it you even beat your original estimate. I just don't have the words... Just thank you for this knowledge. I'm putting it to use.
@SmalltimR
@SmalltimR 4 місяці тому
Fascinating setup and demonstration - never considered passive radiators before, but this demo's got me thinking
@Juggernaut-fg2up
@Juggernaut-fg2up Рік тому
What would be the most interesting next would be to remove the two passive radiators place the box back in it's loudest position and test just the subwoofer, then add one passive radiator test it. I'm curious how each one affects it
@jus1taj
@jus1taj Рік тому
That was freaking epic. Passive radiators are a hard sell but you did them justice.
@datN.O.Colombiano
@datN.O.Colombiano Рік тому
A friend of mine told me to try some PR's when I told him I wanted more bass but didn't want the weight. I did some looking and I found that they can actually add a decent amount of sound to your single sub set up. After this video, I think I'm gonna give it a go.
@robwithrbk
@robwithrbk Рік тому
Technically, providing sound from the rear wave via ported enclosure is supposed to add +3db. I think a PR can do that at lower Db ranges. As the Db go up, the PR will probably struggle to keep up. But are great for a number of 140db type systems.
@s.o.s.exploration2412
@s.o.s.exploration2412 Рік тому
I have always loved and stand by sealed boxes. The sound, the feel, and the response of the notes hitting so hard I have not been able to replicate in a ported box.
@chrisselke449
@chrisselke449 Рік тому
Infinite baffle is the only way to go
@91CavGT5
@91CavGT5 Рік тому
I recently finished a budget build with eight 6.5” woofers in an infinite baffle setup and I have to agree. Kick drums are felt in my chest. Despite the small drivers, low end response is VERY useable down to 30 hz with useable output down to 25 hz!! All woofers were wired to a single 2 ohm load. With the JP8 amplifier running them, actual power output to the woofers is only around 500 watts total. The bass is VERY clean despite the less than $100 total spent on woofers and wood.
@PhatkatCollections
@PhatkatCollections Рік тому
This is not a sealed box when you have passive radiators
@s.o.s.exploration2412
@s.o.s.exploration2412 Рік тому
@@PhatkatCollections indeed. I still stand by my preference
@PhatkatCollections
@PhatkatCollections Рік тому
@@s.o.s.exploration2412 sorry man I wasn't critiquing you, I just misread the comment. I was just stating that adding passive radiators is a ported setup. It no longer considered a sealed enclosure.
@waynsmith9538
@waynsmith9538 Рік тому
Thank you for this demo, I believe I am going to copy it in both of my vehicles.
@SetchiPaunda
@SetchiPaunda 11 місяців тому
Great video. My first box I ever built in the 80s had two pioneer 10s with two 10 inch passive radiators. The flat style passive radiators.
@rynev3392
@rynev3392 Рік тому
Great detailed video, lots of good information that people in car audio should understand 👍🏻
@heavy12inchsub79
@heavy12inchsub79 Рік тому
Loving the quality of your camera brother ❤️. Outstanding!
@quevicular
@quevicular Рік тому
I am definitely going to try this in my ford ranger xtra cab.. Take a jump seat out and build a 12 into it with a passive radiator. Only makes sense after watching this video. Thanks BBH. Excellent video expalining in detail and showing the proof. More bass using wayyy less power and compromising the charging system. I love it. Im working with a TARAMPS 3000HD 1 OHM and that tiny amp is a freakin beast to say the least.
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Cool idea
@ruthlesslegion1016
@ruthlesslegion1016 Рік тому
Wow that sounds amazing.. very clean and deep. I used too experiment with PRs in home theater systems way back when..
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Glad you liked it!
@bricebowlin8834
@bricebowlin8834 11 днів тому
Hey man your videos have come a long way. Watched a few prior but you've really upped ur game. You've got a new subscriber here... And yeah I would like to see more on the sketchup of different enclosures. As you requested I'm commenting here to request just that... Really like the technical aspect of your videos!
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead 11 днів тому
Thanks for hanging in there with me.
@ENGINEERCombat
@ENGINEERCombat Рік тому
this guy does an excellnt job describing the whole design process... Accurate and informative!
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Thanks for watching!
@DavidCakl1
@DavidCakl1 Рік тому
I bought the slaps-m10 because of this video and I'm so glad I did! the 20L box with the new Alpine R2 10" works perfectly. i can play 20hz even at high volume and it sounds great! no port noise! no distortion! the whole trunk of the car is almost empty :D i can't thank you enough for this video! 😍 BTW: I switched from 12" bassreflex 50L tuned to 32hz and this is louder and deeper on same power🙂
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Love it 💯 glad I was able to help!
@cheezst8ke
@cheezst8ke Рік тому
You are right with you don't need a trunk full of subs. Back in the early 90s a friend of mine put a system in his 79 Pontiac Bonnevile 2 door. He had two Rockford Fosgate 15 inch woofers in a homemade sealed box stuffed in the trunk for bass, two Pioneer 4 way 6x9s mounted to the rear deck set for mids and highs, and a 1,000 watt amp for power. It wasn't anything fancy but it sure had some good bass for a throw together system.
@dominikspencer3981
@dominikspencer3981 2 місяці тому
Wow! Ive been doing car audio since 1984 lol, and Ive heard about using passive radiators throughout, but it seemed so complicated, and seemed like the rewards were minimal. But your tutorial here is simply Mindblowing!! This will be one of my near future builds in one of my cars. Excellent video, thank you!! Subbed!!!!
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead 2 місяці тому
Keep us posted on the build!
@dominikspencer3981
@dominikspencer3981 2 місяці тому
@BudgetBassHead will do, will probably begin in a few months. I'm probably going to look into either a couple 8s or a 10, using the same M12 passive radiators. I'll see how it looks on computer modeling first before I start the build. Thx!!
@NVXAudio
@NVXAudio Рік тому
This is awesome!! Great work!
@brentongarsden4949
@brentongarsden4949 Рік тому
So good and so informative! I watched the video twice now. Love it!! Thabk you
@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128
@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128 Рік тому
Loved this video! I definitely want to see a thorough 'Sketchup' video! Thanks for all your hard work, appreciated!
@astro54541
@astro54541 Рік тому
This video was amazing!!! I loved every bit of it. It gave me a lot of Insight…Thank you 👍
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Glad it was helpful!
@cdshawn
@cdshawn Рік тому
Right...got my basement booming!!
@msh6865
@msh6865 Рік тому
Love this build and approach. No need to give up your trunk to get sub-40Hz extension. I love deep sub bass but, am not a fan of ported enclosures. The bass they create is many times just loose and flabby. No detail. Great solution here. Those glamour shots of the NVX sub are outstanding. Very well done video. Like those two furry woofers too! Lol!
@myoneblackfriend3151
@myoneblackfriend3151 2 місяці тому
Thank you.
@joeflaherty4702
@joeflaherty4702 Рік тому
I've always got better performance and output by mounting passive radiator(s) on the opposite side of the woofer(s). They move opposite the sub cone due to pressure differential and so as to not cancel soundwaves the passive radiators always seem to more greatly improve output when mounted on opposite side of subwoofer baffle
@stevengoelzer
@stevengoelzer Рік тому
Word!
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit 11 місяців тому
It works but not for the reasons you describe. First of all - passive radiators do not move opposite the subwoofer, until you get below the tuning frequency. The enclosure will gradually go out of phase below this, with a big cancellation notch where the passive radiator free air resonates, and also at single digit frequencies where the radiator is simply pushing out from air pressure. On a slow motion camera they are in phase or close to in phase throughout the pass band, or moving negligibly for the upper bass. Secondly, you can think of an enclosure as an expanding and contracting volume, so whether the speaker is on the back or the front, moving out or in doesn't make a difference. You have to think: Is this speaker expanding the enclosure volume or contracting it? What putting passive radiators on the back does is better balance the box. When the speaker is moving, the box is recoiling in the opposite direction, which for meaty car subwoofers can be significant compared to a lighter PA driver cone. Putting drivers on opposite sides means this vibration is cancelled (or reduced in the case of passive radiators that don't exactly imitate the driver) and less energy is used shaking the box if it's on a loose surface.
@salvadordelgado2434
@salvadordelgado2434 Рік тому
I once took the passive radiator off a blown infinity basslink 10" and added it to a sealed underseat truck enclosure, made a huge difference.
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Yep. More displacement
@johndeleon713
@johndeleon713 Рік тому
Definitely would love to see you run this test back with the sub wired to a 1 ohm configuration 🙏 love the channel bro.. big fan
@nickstalhood5380
@nickstalhood5380 Рік тому
Cool vid man and i definitely love the idea of passive radiators or just creative builds all together. I actually used a 4in subwoofer to push a 15im sub in a molded plastic enclosure nack in the late 90s. The results were pretty impressive since i was getting almost that same output at just a few hundred watts as i was if was to hook up the 15in itself. Obviously if i threw more power at the 15 it would definitely be louder, but nevertheless cool that a 4in moved that much arin in the enclosure to make the 15 resonate the way it did.
@tetorro5365
@tetorro5365 6 місяців тому
That is quality sound in passive radiator 🎉
@garagaoz
@garagaoz 10 місяців тому
Amazing results! great video Amigo.
@lynel1985
@lynel1985 10 місяців тому
this guy and vids are a masterclass
@silverjava1one971
@silverjava1one971 Рік тому
Keep it up . Never really thought about passive radiators.
@jonathongaleano2893
@jonathongaleano2893 Рік тому
That is very impressive!
@kingwillie206
@kingwillie206 Рік тому
This video was incredible my man!
@gulag_inmate69
@gulag_inmate69 Рік тому
its all in the box design for sure
@homerbuntin4751
@homerbuntin4751 Рік тому
I'd like to see you test this setup with one of the radiators unweighted and the other with both weights attached to it. Three different tuning frequencies in one enclosure would be pretty interesting.
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Stop giving away my next video, bro! 😄 I guess great minds DO think alike.
@EddieMonsta
@EddieMonsta Рік тому
That's going to start to cause some cancellation because of the change in phase...
@zod-engineering-welding
@zod-engineering-welding Рік тому
I've modeled this in Akabak, and it won't work like you probably think it does. It would be similar to installing ports of different areas/lengths in a box and expecting multiple tuning frequencies compared to a standard vented enclosure. It simply doesn't work that way. All you get a is a group-delay and phase-shift nightmare.
@toxictator4561
@toxictator4561 Рік тому
@@zod-engineering-welding Taking car resonance and other variables that come with in world testing in mind , id say it would still be an interesting test to see what kind of frequencies peaks and phase issues are present.
@choosetherightify
@choosetherightify Рік тому
It would have the same effect as two different port with different port lengths, the two will be summed for an average tuning frequency.... However with PRs you can run into other problems with varying tuning frequencies between PRs. I'm all for the science though. do it and let's see what happens.
@choosetherightify
@choosetherightify Рік тому
Great video. I'm a huge fan of Passive Radiators. It's important to point out that an enclosure with passive radiators is technically a bass reflex enclosure, but superior in that there is no need for a massive, space consuming port AND no port noise. This is definitely the best way to get a smaller enclosure with better low end bass extension. These are also far easier to tune by adding mass vs lengthening or shortening the port.
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Thanks for the info!
@freedomisacred1495
@freedomisacred1495 Місяць тому
I had three 10” punch dvc’s on a punch 500a2 at a 2.6 ohm load and it rocked
@michaelvita8
@michaelvita8 8 місяців тому
I definitely learned something new from this video thanks
@laurantsmccloskey5927
@laurantsmccloskey5927 9 місяців тому
Another fantastic & highly educational video! Awesome work!
@ballen1569
@ballen1569 Рік тому
Passive rad setup, sealed and IB always sound so good!
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Couldn't agree more!
@slickwillybudgetking
@slickwillybudgetking Рік тому
Despite enclosure, one of the absolute best and overlooked subs available. VCW.
@L33zie
@L33zie 10 місяців тому
Bruh!! I am not a basshead anymore for , for 15 years now. I saw this in study, and ran a shallow 12 with 2 radiators behind my rear seat in my 250..im stil tuning them down but OMG!!!! I dont believe it!! The output is amazing. I ran earthquake magmas in my 20s, alternators, batteries, caps, name it.. so satisfied with this
@myevilbanana
@myevilbanana Рік тому
Tutorial of sketch up please! Great video always been interested in passive radiators but never tried one
@vincebowling1778
@vincebowling1778 Рік тому
Very impressive! Great video and thanks for sharing the info!
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Thanks for watching!
@dagriz1591
@dagriz1591 Рік тому
Great vid!! Impressive db for only 1000 watts 🔊🔊🔊 keep up the awesome content man 🔊🤘😑🤘🔊
@srarcade
@srarcade Рік тому
Smart man right here! Great stuff, absolutely considering something like this
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Glad it was helpful!
@bigcountry55
@bigcountry55 Рік тому
I would really like to see a vid of sketchup "How-To" when you get the time. I really enjoy your 3d renders or trunk volume, box volume, etc.
@smellthatgas442
@smellthatgas442 Рік тому
Wow im doing this to all my cars big thanks to you 💸💸
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Glad I could help
@crucial0072
@crucial0072 Рік тому
I'm trying to figure out how you got Steve Harvey to narrate your video in first person. 😂😂
@crttechs873
@crttechs873 Рік тому
This is how you do it brother 🔥
@aaronsmith8990
@aaronsmith8990 Рік тому
Nice never knew about them thanks
@jasonlopez4855
@jasonlopez4855 Рік тому
The passive radiators were big time in the 80's and 90's my son is telling me to make one too show him. I keep telling him how good they are in a good box.
@Eccentricvoice77
@Eccentricvoice77 11 місяців тому
Awesome video!!
@louwilliams627
@louwilliams627 10 місяців тому
I've built a sealed 3.2cubic ft 3/4" birch box for a 12" Massive Audio Summo XL AND two of these M12s. Going to run a 3k at 2ohms to the dvc 4ohm sub to it, leave it turned down at first, but super stoked the prs came today!
@bojow8102
@bojow8102 Рік тому
This is an awesome budget build! And quality, NVX is good stuff 👍 Get your trunk back!👍
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
That's the plan!
@kone.linngus3651
@kone.linngus3651 9 місяців тому
Kicker is known for using a passive radiator. If you see a kicker sealed enclosure with two 12s and they look like two different subwoofers, one is a sub and the other is the passive radiator
@chandlerlofton6536
@chandlerlofton6536 Рік тому
I have a hot rod regular cab Silverado for my daily driver. It has very limited space so this video has me thinking about a potential setup.
@headphone307
@headphone307 Рік тому
LOVE THIS CHANNEL!!!
@cdmalton1806
@cdmalton1806 Рік тому
Great stuff!
@troshaffer4921
@troshaffer4921 8 місяців тому
I remember using passive radiators on some old JBL's way back, sounded amazing. & I definitely wanna get into making renderings of my trunk & do the calculations for the response etc. I've been using apps etc, would love to learn that. awesome video man.
@nathanpierre1868
@nathanpierre1868 Рік тому
Thank you, you saved me a lot of money, time, resources and labor costs. I just have to work the math out properly in order to pair the right passives with the right subs
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Glad it helped!
@nathanpierre1868
@nathanpierre1868 Рік тому
@@BudgetBassHead Yea you have no idea how much it helped, was initially going for the nvx 12 inch but im deciding to save a bit more and buy one HIPPO XL 2000w 10 inch which plays louder, uses more power and has way more excursion compared to the 12 and 10 inch nvx offerings. Still though, im going to use passive radiators with it, two 10 inch slaps and run the math through the app winisd to get the box size i want for the frequency i want, i wanna tune for 30-37hz. My aim is to have a box smaller than yours since im using 10 inch subs that have slightly bigger magnets but get the same or greater spl output and frequency compared to yours, tho needing more power to do it, just less space (i think). Its going to go in the back of a 2016 ford everest with the third row seats staying up. With the sub/box facing the ceiling.
@evilinside5984
@evilinside5984 Рік тому
Just make sure to get a passive with @ least 2x piston area= not 2x cone area, the guy in this video only needs 1 of these slaps 12inch passives. And dont run them on the same plane=not the best performance. You can run 1 of these 12inch slaps to 1 powered 12inch sub with 25mm of 1 way x max, or less. Best performance is had with powered sub forwards, and passive backwards, and use a woofer that sounds great in a sealed enclosure, and use sub. Mfg. Sealed box cu. Ft. Rec. Specs= not the ported specs like most people think, if you dont believe me call earthquake and ask the owner/designer, i did!
@dioniciotapiz3288
@dioniciotapiz3288 Рік тому
Thank you for a great video Sir.
@jcooksey19
@jcooksey19 Рік тому
Definitely looks interesting
@stevenyoung3360
@stevenyoung3360 Рік тому
Very cool. I have always thought that proper passive radiator setups sounded great musically even though there have been many people that say to stay away from them. I never really understood the hate for them when my ears liked what I was hearing.
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
My thoughts exactly. I think people focus too much on trending builds than the science available. Passive Radiators are very simple and should at least be tried.
@stevenyoung3360
@stevenyoung3360 Рік тому
@@BudgetBassHead I think after most people experience the extension down low they can add it could bring a lot of people around to them. It's one thing to watch it on a video and another thing to hear and feel it for yourself.
@trollslayer8260
@trollslayer8260 Рік тому
Its because its in between sq and spl. Sound in the upper frequencies of bass have a slightly blurred sound sometimes as compared to sealed and although they have better output, its not as much as ported. The only problem with this is most people are bent one way or the other. I personally like p.r. s, i have had the slaps and i currently have the pump . They are great for a daily driver and have near sealed box sq.
@robleeva
@robleeva Рік тому
Good stuff brother. I'm installing a PR asap
@BASSBOYDecepticon
@BASSBOYDecepticon Рік тому
I put a skar vxf ina sealed 1.6 cube with a single M12 and was surprised at the low end capability. definitely saves you space over having to have a giant port in the box.
@robindas1207
@robindas1207 Рік тому
nice demo very informative and clear explanations.
@NikoAbston
@NikoAbston Рік тому
love it. great video. great great video
@earlkalas9301
@earlkalas9301 Рік тому
Passive Radiator isn't a sealed alignment, it's a bass reflex or ported alignment. The passive Radiator acts as a port and requires a subsonic filter, just as a vented enclosure does. So the passive Radiator doesn't over excurse
@mechmanalternators
@mechmanalternators Рік тому
Very nice! Good to see more high efficiency builds/projects coming together.
@tonyb022377
@tonyb022377 Рік тому
@@DTW-bx2vy yeeeeaaaa, you can sit back down now.
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Most PA speakers have a sensitivity rating in the mid 90s. That's considered efficient in car audio.
@Satch_4_Hogs
@Satch_4_Hogs Рік тому
I love PR's. At the PR tuned frequency, you get the benefits of a ported enclosure, usually low end, as the PR's resonate at the tuned frequency like a port. As you move away from the PR tuned frequency, you gain more and more of the benefits of a sealed enclosure. I have a PR tuned to around 23 Hz. Above say 60 Hz, The PR barely moves at all. The higher frequencies are tight and punchy.
@Duhpression999
@Duhpression999 11 місяців тому
I have two NVX 12s on 3k and it beats tf down I highly recommend for entry level setups
@GIRTHBROOKS10
@GIRTHBROOKS10 4 місяці тому
I have to say, thank you so much for creating an informative and educational video. Actual facts and data used to prove. What a set up. I've always wanted to do a passive radiator box. Did you build the box to the subs specs? I've read the best way to "tune" for one is to build a box based in the VAS of the speaker and then add or remove weight to find a peak frequency? Thanks!!
@JasonWW2000
@JasonWW2000 Рік тому
Those opening edits are a masterpiece! I was hoping you'd remove the radiators and seal the opening to make it a sealed box and then do a direct comparison of the output. I'd really like to know the dB increase just by adding the radiators.
@adrenalinehigh2070
@adrenalinehigh2070 Рік тому
The volume of the enclosure would be out of the range the sub is designed for. It won’t be a test worth the effort
@JasonWW2000
@JasonWW2000 Рік тому
@@adrenalinehigh2070 How is 2 cu ft out of range for a 12"? That is actually extremely common. So I disagree about it not being worth the effort.
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
@@JasonWW2000 I'll have to agree with @AdrenalineHigh subwoofers have different box tuning suggestions for their sealed and ported design. 2 cubic feet is far too large for most 12 inch sealed enclosure.
@JasonWW2000
@JasonWW2000 Рік тому
I went ahead and used a box building program using these passive radiators and compared it to a sealed box. So if anyone wants to know, adding the passive radiator really is like adding a port. You can get a 6-8 dB increase at the tuning frequency, but the roll off is much, much steeper.
@aramissauers2640
@aramissauers2640 Рік тому
@@JasonWW2000 steeper compared to ported or sealed
@j.stallworth240
@j.stallworth240 Рік тому
Great job on the video intro! Interesting passive radiator install... I'd really be interested in a sketch up tutorial... I can't get that program to save my life!😁 I have a 2016 chevy impala with 2 digital design 3512's, jl audio 1000's on each needless to say how much truck space I have with a 5.25cuft enclosure.... anyways good job on the videos!
@Thomasisthekey
@Thomasisthekey Рік тому
Always been a fan of sealed enclosures, 6th order being a second favorite 👍 My fav systems of the past were 4 12" gold letter kickers sealed on a zed Zeus and 4 15 gold letters on a zed colossus. Still have the amps but unfortunately not the subs 😒
@undernature2799
@undernature2799 Рік тому
Zed audio 💯 👍 Gold letter kickers omg $80/12 250w and sounded phenomenal in a sealed box
@robertjefferson8657
@robertjefferson8657 Рік тому
I'm moving through different designs. I like horns right now. Sealed is great too, can't be beat for simplicity
@Thomasisthekey
@Thomasisthekey Рік тому
@@undernature2799 yes sir. Have a couple stillwater gems also, the 500si,200si and a 100si. Back then it was roughly a dollar a watt instead of a dime but the quality shows the 90 cents difference in today's amplifiers
@mr.v2666
@mr.v2666 Рік тому
Awesome Video thanks for sharing thanks for testing. That was epic.
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Glad you enjoyed it
@MrRupus2020
@MrRupus2020 9 місяців тому
I built a thin sealed truck box for my Samarai back in 89-90 with a 12" CV and a passive radiator and it was one of the most effective builds I ever had. Less than 200 Watts. In a convertible so the sound would carry.
@09jhoover
@09jhoover 7 місяців тому
Awesome video! Question tho. I have quad cab ram with a custom glass box about 2cf. 2 12s 1k ea. I'm not getting the output I want. Do you think i would get more output with PRs? I'm afraid of cutting another hole in my $1k box for an experiment. Thanks
@Live_Loud
@Live_Loud Рік тому
You've taken lots of efforts to create this Video. Appreciate that! Are passive radiator louder and deeper than full size ported enclosure?
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
At this power level? Yes
@1tuf626
@1tuf626 8 місяців тому
Is there a reason you put both radiators on one side as opposed to putting the woofer in the middle?
@dlyons4672
@dlyons4672 11 місяців тому
Love free air setups
@chaseleim4773
@chaseleim4773 Рік тому
I've had a few ideas for designing a ported enclosure that also had passives in it, my idea was to fire the passives into a large low tuned ported chamber while the active subwoofer was exposed to the environment
@chaseleim4773
@chaseleim4773 Рік тому
I'd try using your dats system to find you tuning of your sealed side with the passives, and I'd try tuning the port led chamber at that and see where it goes
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Sound like an Isobaric setup
@evilinside5984
@evilinside5984 Рік тому
Series tuned 8th?
@scottiffanimccord1509
@scottiffanimccord1509 Рік тому
Loved the video bro!
@BudgetBassHead
@BudgetBassHead Рік тому
Appreciate it!
@jjmccloud
@jjmccloud Рік тому
I have a pair of these 15" next subs I bought like 4 yrs ago brand new still lol I hooked 1 up and played it about 4hrs worth in a temporary setup with the next jad1200 amp and man I was impressed, however I sold that truck so all my stuff is just waiting on me to do my next build 😆 went all nvx with subs, amps, and mids. Even though its been a few years and newer stuff may be out now I'm still impressed with nvx for sure
@jjmccloud
@jjmccloud Рік тому
Even the medium level subs are nice for the average person but the vcw series is pretty damn amazing for the price
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