I also had someone steal my origins account, I didn’t change my password until months later since they were just playing my games.

@@clownbaby7985 using app authenticator and login verification if your friend here..

​​​@@clownbaby7985 I got dead space 3 free thanks to some Russian 😂 he left his save game there. Once I had access to thousands of origin accounts through a friend that sent me a txt documents 😅

@@clownbaby7985 Had that happen with facebook but since i wasnt using it for about 12 years i dont care about it, let that one guy in england enjoy it if its so important to him xD

@@clownbaby7985 Same..Origin is a major Hacker target....i am starting to think it's Origin employees or their associates who are doing the crimes.

yaaaas. F multiplayer.

Right here. 😀

I hate mp games

What about PvE multiplayer? Offline if it exists

Shor's bones I miss single player TES.

me too! have you played Tomb Raider 1-2-3 remastered? just out. get it,you'll love how they made the original games so much better looking,easy to install & play.

Haha, yeah... Same

me too!

Same here that makes 4 of us... will you be my friends 😂

same, the one who would, he died

I just wondered why Sims 4 isn't on this list. I don't know any other game, where people download so many mods and CC.

@@floriangrun3414 LOL actually I have Sims 4 and I have more CC in Farming Simulator then that.

So the security breach was more for the games with anti cheat. That's how they reached. Sims does not have anti cheat.

Just commenting to say the video is still worth watching. Yes these are the games, but the *why* is important as well.

You forgot the most important timestamp. 19:42

Funny how i dont play any of them. Let alone mod. 😂

@@metallboy25I don’t blame you, everyone cheats anyway

Helldivers 2 is missing from the list since it has malware/rootkit anticheat that breaks/bricks PCs as well

The minecraft modding scene has had issues, but the other modders police them on the major repositories, curseforge and modrinth. This is something one has to consider though, do the repositories do any vetting (curseforge used to inspect every minecraft mod upload from new submitters for example). Now it is more an after the fact thing, but there are modders that have basically been banned from the community due to issues. Quite frankly a trojan is also a risk for downloading apps generally and rootkit anti-cheat and drm systems are quite frankly more worrying to me.

Gmod has issues too with lua viruses that put out screamer jumpscares, gore jumpscares, sexual stuff and overall possible malwares... I dunno about fallout and skyrim, and cyberpunk but they seem safe so far

It's probably because it went Free-to-Play and very likely exploded in player-count, making it an easy target. - I was considering finally jumping on that game for free, having played since the first, but never got beyond the demo of 3. But now I'm kinda glad I didn't. - That said, I was never big into modifications for these games and mostly played the official content, as I would have with 4 initially. Anyway, as said, it's probably exactly because it's big and also very populated that it got targeted. - And let's be real, The Sims has very high mainstream-appeal, so there will be so many more people who are very casual with computer-stuff and don't know that you can't just pull these files from anywhere, especially kids/teens. And like you said, it doesn't help that it's simple to do. Which brings to mind: I don't know if there is a mod-manager or anything for The Sims or if it's just a case of throwing loose files into a folder, but it would probably be a good thing to have something where mods get kind of curated and the like (other than reputable websites). - For example, Minecraft has Prism Launcher for example, which allows you to make entire profiles for modified instances of the game, AND you can even search for and download the mods through that manager, creating an extra layer of certainty that you're getting something that's known and from a known source. - Probably not 100% secure, but better than scouring websites (again, outside of the reputable ones). But yea, then try and get everyone on board and informed, cause I doubt most Minecraft-players outside of the biggest enthusiasts even know about Prism Launcher, even though Minecraft is also massive. But that's probably because it only spawned from a previous mod-manager a few years ago, of which... ironically, its developer (or one of) went nuts and became corrupt, practically destroying that entire project by breaking all trust. 💁

@@EwanMarshall Yea, the stuff that officially comes with games worry me as well. - Like the anti-cheat stuff that needs to run at root level or whatever. I mean, tf man... I get that it needs to monitor what is going on, but you're really opening up a door there just to play a friggin' game. And it's not that I feel important enough to be targeted and I've a pretty secure setup and there's not much important on my system anyway. But I just don't need a chance to any bullshittery, or increase that chance because of a game anyway. Nah, I'll just play something else. And for mods, it's not too hard to just look and see if it's something well-known and if it's downloaded from a known source as well. - The thing is that they prey on people who don't check and will just click on "OMG GOD MODE?? HECK YEA!!" and just install it, then the next minute the Russian mob is at their door and they wonder why. heh... 🤷

@@xDryZek those are not really viruses so much as an event programmed into the mod.

Hate to break it to ya, most online multiplayer shooters have ring 0 access. So, basically, you should just not play online games amirite?

@@ofmoosenmen Spyware with a reacharound doesn't cease to be spyware.

yeah valorant is straight malware lol

Games with ring 0 Access can allow hackers to leverage the game as a attack vector to gain a foot hold into your system the legit game devs arnt out to get you unless you are hacking but there system isnt totally secure so the devs arnt protecting you only them selves while you paid them to give you a game with vulnerability its a bad deal but its your choice to be vulnerable ultimately. Its your security vs there $$$

Yeah. That makes me uncomfortable. I've also had Vanguard break a Windows install, presumably because something happened with it and a Windows update.

No mods during cataclysm?!? your guild must've SUCKED, or i'm calling BS

@@skunkey9923 What ... I can't be raiding without mods ? sucked ? maybe , its not server first , it did enough to finish deathwing. But everyone back then finished deathwing so ... I don't see your point. I also have the bronze proto drake when the patch was current without mods so there's that. You are not the first to question this tho , most guild members did and I used to make fun of them when they say " oh i need to update DBM / healbot b4 raid".

My Blizzard story was the first time they got hacked (2012 IIRC). Suddenly the game didn't work, so here I am in chat on my other pc with Blizzard support and they change my password and as I'm talking to the person, it gets changed again while I am logged in and I get locked out. Then the tech gets locked out/can't change it - ie - they change it and it instantly changes again on their end seconds later, before the email even reaches me. And I have my authenticator turned on - a physical one. ;) They finally got it worked out after two days, but refused to admit that the only way that the password and account details could be changed in real-time without my logging in to do so was them being hacked/having access to their SQL logins and changing stuff on the server side. 4 months later the press quietly admitted that they had been hacked. So sometimes there is nothing you can do. Also, Blizzard sucks. It's why all of my Blizzard accounts are on still on console. I figure if they get root access to Sony's servers, online gaming is dead anyways... lol.

norton is not bad they actually do there job as im also using windows 11 pro for gaming

Norton is a virus. Dealt with it in support for like 10 years and it breaks so much. Misses a lot of viruses too. You can find companies who test and compare anti-virus suites and post online

He just did a video bashing Norton, MaCafee, etc. This isn't a new hatred.

I howled. Just the simple fact that J2C chose to leave it audible makes it 1000% better

@@garethwilliams6650 This was my first thought as well. The fact that I heard the actual "fuck" and didn't hear it being fart-beeped stood out for me and I had to listen again

that was patched months ago lol

@@randyb.9143 Still being exploited.

Use t7 patch :)

@@randyb.9143it’s still bad though, that’s why zombies is now played on the BOIII client

Almost all of the old COD games on steam are super dangerous to play online, or just cannot be played at all.

Chaos Unreal Tournament for 1999 GotY edition was _excellent._ The grappling hook and bastard sword were fun.

@@CyberDragon10K I remember that.

@@CyberDragon10K Oooh I spent SO many hours on that! And RTCW had some good modded MP gameplay as well

THANKK UUU I was going to say....That's not a mod, its an official Mojang game! Please look into things like your asking us to, I know things can slip but i know you guys are better than that. Overall great VId and Great information guys!

Not to mention it was developed using Unreal.

@@RoninLlamaSan this is a fairly low effort video sadly. just reading an article and commenting on it with pure conjecture.

@@theshaggydogg2867 I agree. There are things that Jay knows about, and there are things that he obviously knows little about. If all I had to go on was this video, I would say that video game modding is one of the things he knows very little about.

He also got Diablo 2: Ressurrected wrong, given that's the remake. Like... geez.

We should also blame Windows itself for even letting apps install rootkits in Ring-0 without any effort whatsoever. Developers just do this because Windows allows this to be done

​@@azenyrThey allow it to be done, but not without knowledge to the user. It's done because users let it happen, not windows.

thats been used for over a decade in the biggest ever games be realistic if this was a big issue it would have been known by now

Yeah a lot of people don't realize that these anti-cheats have full, total, administrative access to your entire system. They can see all your hardware and read all API talks between your apps and drivers. Data privacy is still perfectly vulnerable on Ring-3, but I don't like the idea of an anti-cheat having admin injected into my kernel, especially given that it's got internet access while running on Ring-0. Just asking to get compromised. Any bugs they didn't catch can potentially wreck your system and lead to needing to clean install. Street Fighter V's anti-cheat disabled a CPU security feature that allowed the game itself to get kernel access, and it's an online game where a malicious actor in a match is now given a pinhole to your kernel. It was patched, but the fact that this can happen is alarming.

PREACH!

Agreed!

You mean like Black Ops 3 that has the remote shell execution exploit in it?

I know of 2- I'm sure there are plenty more that ppl just haven't taken the time to notice or vet yet. 1) Crypto Currency Simulator ($25.00 USD), not only did it mine using your GPU in the background, but it had keyloggers & other stuff to try to steal any avail logins you had. 2) Instruction (*FREE)- unlike most, I actually read the Eula/ToS. What was unusual is it had a whole clause about how they are supposedly protected by their ToS if their software has viruses, keyloggers, worms, or trojans in it. (That wouldn't actually hold up in court though) So I vetted that one myself. Virus total found 1 keylogger & 3 different trojans. I reported both games , but haven't checked up on them to see if they are still on the store or not. There was also a huge purge by Valve recently for (500+) games that had changed their names/studio names multiple times claiming to be a newer game (HellDivers was one that they did this with) where they made it look like they were the real page, & only after you purchased & ran the game did you find out you got screwed & were given a free or $5 game instead of the one it looked like. They had found a way to push their listing to the top of the actual list above the real game in question kind of like how games put every god dammed tag possible for their game, which completely breaks sorting by genre or using steam's dynamic game categories.

The problem with this is I've never seen a game where you can play without running as administrator. Every time you launch the game, you're granting admin access to the process.

You mean like the games that are listed in this video? They carry risks with the install, even Helldivers 2 carries a risk with the absolute bottom of the barrel anti-cheat they decided to use.

I'm happy for you that you got some actual help and things got fixed.

I lost wow twice too hacking and had an authenticator and blizzard refused to help after years of playing taking my money I was told to bad buy it a 3rd time I refuse to play their games anymore.

My son had his account hacked twice. No authenticator..wiped my guild bank clean. Both times they replaced all his stuff and what was in my guild bank including gold.

Blizzard has almost zero customer service at this point. They've screwed up WoW to the point it isn't even an MMO. They destroyed OW and outright cheated customers with OW2. I just feel sad for anyone that defends Blizzard as a company. Stop giving companies money that abuse you.

Much respect from one builder to another, it's the only way to go.

Me too!

Way older🤬

and i am going to have 30 , i'm not even in the subscriber stats

Lol here i am in the opposite spectrum. I am only just 20 yrs old lol.

Ditto... 54.... and 1 day here.

That's right. As soon as I had to restart my pc in order to even play the game I uninstalled it swiftly...

great one bro.

its intrusive to make sure everything looks good, yk, to do its only purpose? make sure your not cheating?

Found the cheater.

@@user-dz5yn2ry7c yes and no. A game should only look within its sandbox as well as running services that can determine if other applications are running that may be used for cheating. There is no need for them to run a full breakdown of someone system including their browsers where many access things like their bank accounts. There are several documented cases where CyberSecurity students or sepakers/instructors that travel and have single systems getting banned simply because they use their computer for more than just a game. Food for thought.

yeah I agree, its probably the most pervasive potential attack surface deployed today. IMO its only a matter of time until something terrible comes of it

Same happened to me, because my e-mail was hacked. Hotmail was hot garbage.

same here back in original wrath. my pc broke and i didnt play for a few months and my account got hacked and used as a bot to farm ore eventually it got banned and i got it back and they did the same mailed me back all the gear that got sold

Blizzard still recovers accounts but has (AFAIK) limited it to once per life of account now. If it happens again, then you're generally SOL.

My ex's account got hacked thanks to that big Yahoo email hack years ago, and Blizzard refused to give him his account back, even with driver's license and everything. :(

Reasons i don't mess with jsp or mods.

games that carry real world computer viruses dun dun DUN.....

... really? People fell for that? Over some stupid cosmetic thing? It's a different game/genere, but even when I was like 10 and got introduced to Runescape (Santa Hats cost 1m at the time, I believe), I noticed that "armor trimming" was a scam almost instantly.

Gta online on pc is a death trap. Console version is safe

@@thatguyjp2047 LOL you keep thinking that. It's like Linux users saying there are no viruses....

Theres no IP leaking, it's a P2P server, Same for Minecraft aswell.

You mean Wheelie Stealie Automobiley 5?

Same with rdr. Rockstar just don't care.

They are super useful for stuff like that, you never need to worry about over-charging fee's or anything like that, just deposit the money you want to spend, and if someone shady happens and your CC info is stolen, they ain't getting nothin'. You can report your card stolen and they'll send you a new card, and IIRC they have a insurance policy/idenitity theft protection for under a certain amount (I think it's up to $500, I maybe wrong on that limit and it might change depending on which pre-paid debit card you get,) and while it might take a while in certain cases, they will actually replace any stolen money. My friend says they are also really useful to sign up to "free trials" where they need a valid CC so once the free trial offer expires so they charge you. That way if you forget about canceling in time, and they charge you, as long as you keep that account with nothing, they aren't going to get anything. (As long as you don't have anything in it in the first place!) (Some places makes so you need pay in full for the first month after the free trial, but if you cancel during the trial you get a full refund) Also I HIGHLY recommend Privacy com as it's lefit super ussful in keeping you safe while you shop on the intertnet, with it generates a new & unique CC every single time you buy something on line, that way no one can steal your info and plus if helps you keep track of everything you are getting charged for, and it'll even cancel subscriptions for you.

Works fine till you try to buy a game that has a refund policy then you can't purchase the game due to the card being used not allowing funds to be put onto it.

literally just use a credit card or paypal why are you paying gift card fees

Agreed, on Jay's video about programs you should never install he was also enforcing the age old preconception of piracy = virus yet admitted that he never pirates programs so he doesn't actually have any idea on how common it is. Obviously there is an inherent risk, but as long as you do your due diligence and don't download from sketchy websites you will never get to the point where you have malware running on your system, especially when you consider most browsers these days will automatically flag suspicious files.

@@acuilnos All true. But one of his main points was that kids are playing these games, and kids don't always have experience with or the understanding of the risks of purchasing mods. Like so much else today, parents need to monitor and protect their kids' online activities.

Not true. GTA Online for the pc exposes a lot of information that people can use to find out private information.

except cs2... there are some pretty rough security exploits in cs2.

The words "Carry" and "Risk" were chosen for a reason, lol. If they had said "These games ARE a security risk" then you would be correct, however they didn't and the only thing you proved here was that you don't fully understand the wording of the title. Something carrying a risk is a whole lot different than something being the risk. Mods are frequently part of the experience, hence the carried risk. It's possible that English isn't your first language, so I figured the difference was worth explaining.

No. I've been modding for more than a decade and haven't even once gotten a virus or malware from mods. This isn't an issue of modding, but one of stupidity.

@@AlphaMachina Beat me too it. I've made Mods for several years and I have to agree with you

Black Ops 3. Known and not patched remote shell execution exploit in it. No mods.

I've been very lucky then, using mods for ~30 years without a problem. Or you're wrong, also possible.

"it didn't happen to me so it's not a thing" - This chat 😂

Man that hurt! We had a guild wil millions get stolen back in BC. Good ol days! :)

Earlier this year my Blizzard acc got perma-banned from WoW. Which I have never played in my life. I hadn't used the account in about a decade (was a surprising email to get for sure). Did everything I could, talked to support, etc etc. Would not honor my request to just delete my account entirely. And get this: it was because I couldn't name any of my WoW characters! So I just fudged all the personal info in the account. Blizzard is trash.

@@notaninconspicuoususername6065 why are you giving out real personal info? do you believe police's job is to actually protect and serve....because that decepticon sticker has been there since the 1980's and the supreme court has ruled time ad again they have no duty to those ends...putting your real ID info on the internet is your go to jail free monopoly deck of cards of nothing but go to jail free. i'm just floored any one uses their real ID outside of apple users

I've had an experience(s) similar to Jay, they were just playing the game oddly enough, current expansion at that time, possibly running mission tables even had a few hundred more gold, XD. Literally they were chilling in Ardenweald doing casual stuff. I changed the password though. Sometimes I wonder if it was an old friend I used to have over that got in. I've found things on my menu bar that made 0 sense and a couple of misequipped rogue and mage characters. That person used to play on his ex-girlfriends account also, just always suspected it was them since nothing was stolen, all the alts were still clothed. Think RMT takeovers are the most common bans tbh though.

@@notaninconspicuoususername6065 Support in general is not the same anymore. Jagex has the same problem but worse I'd say because it's almost impossible to get in contact with their support in the first place. Have had some good experience with Valve and surprisingly enough, EA. Though it's hard to know how much luck I had by my side.

You have a crush on him hehehhe

@@temperedglass1130 We all do.

@@temperedglass1130 its weird that you dont

I played the shit out of The Specialists back in the day, always wanted a source version. Never knew it actually happened.

Such a gem of a mod, me and my friends had such fierce competition in skill with the Kung Fu fighting

The Specialists was amazing

Same here, but I'm 62.❤

Was yours yellow? mine was

Same here. B 1961. I vividly remember loading up Quake from a demo disk on PC Zone mag. I was blown away.

My first game console was a Fairchild. I am 54

This is awesome. My first two were my mother's family consoles, an N64 and SNES. I'm mid-twenties now

With how needlessly resource heavy and fully of its own security holes it is, i think Norton gave up on Norton decades ago....

This happened to me. If you log off quickly the edits won't stick

Yes that's exactly the same thing... the mod itself doesn't matter if multiplayer or singleplayer can contain anything that the modder wants.... doesn't matter if your favorite parasocial boyfriend plays on a server or not

Yeah like I've had game instability that was caused by modders, somehow getting into my computer's memory, and the only way to get the game to run good again, was to restart the computer.

I'm a newbie in GTA V online and haven't DL any mods. I usually see online it's dangerous and easy to get ban because of hacker, this makes me afraid of playing online. Does this happen too if I don't play GTA V Online with mods?

I got banned from GTA Online after modders ran around giving players lots of money and experience. Boycotted Rockstar since, and will continue to do so, because they didn’t let me explain what happened. I was told that a ban would never get lifted.

Same, I got a free game on Origin (can't remember which) and mine got hacked by a Russian too. I never even bothered to try getting it back

reminds me of a couple of MMOs i played for a while and quit, partly because of those spambots. one version of Aion, and Dragon Nest. it was truly horrifying how BLATANT they were. one bot was literally standing in a doorway RIGHT next to the main entrance of the capital city of Aion, you couldn't help but bump into it!

Hopefully you never went back to that trash game. Blizzard lost their moral compass over a decade ago, and started some of the worst practices in gaming (like the gold token…”Don’t pay to win from Chinese gold sellers, pay to win from US!”).

@@Ryotsu2112 damn that's wild, and no I've stayed away from WOW ever since, also i thought there vanilla WOW was just a trash way to say we have completely shitted on our own game but you can pay to try again.

I wish i kneww how bitcoin worked. Everyine lile to keep it secret. Guess ill never make money.

Then he said it was an "April fools" joke that a glitch accidently made it go into a patch. Haha got eeemm

Tldr : bitcoin is digital money. When you perform a transaction it's not calculated on some bank server, it is calculated by people who are "mining bitcoin". These people are then rewarded by the creator of bitcoin with a certain amount of bitcoin for contributing. You mine bitcoin by running a program that uses your graphics card to do algorithms and stuff.

And the 1% of mods that aren't safe is how people get malware, which is why multiple times he put at the bottom of the screen to vet your mod sources

this is exactly why any mods I use, I not only make sure of the source, but I then "age" first (let it sit a while on my hard drive before scanning and installing so that it doesnt have a chance to be the latest thing).

For good reason it’s pretty trash and modern windows defender is actually pretty solid

​@@BigHeadClanincorrect, windows defender gets bypassed by latest malware

@@johnnyb0001 care to share the source of this knowledge? I'm asking very seriously

@@MrEliaaaan Your typical antivirus usually has 3 common methods of scanning files. They can be all bypassed, which means their is no perfect antivirus that exist. The best antivirus is carefully placing your trust. Only download software from known vendors and make sure it has a good reputation. If you are still worried then just download open source software... Here are 3 methods. 1. Scanning the executable hex data for traces that are found in known malware, some malware vendors get around this by encoding the hex data and adding a embedded translation layer which is known as obfuscation. 2. Identifying malware by comparing the md5 values of downloaded files to check if theirs a match in their database of malware definitions. This can be bypassed by replicating itself with a flipped bit 3. Heuristic analysis. Where your computer uses AI to check if the executable running in a closed sandboxed environment is engaging malware-like behavior. Such as session-stealing or using using known exploits to run code without administrative privileges. This can be bypassed by adding the ability to check for a sandboxed environment and refusing to run

​​​@@MrEliaaaanif people dont post sources, it's most probably false information or main character syndrome. And on the other hand, as if Norton would dominate in regards of malware bypassing protection over defender in any way. He just makes himself look totally stupid 🤣

then you don't know what malware means... it's kind of in the name though...

Wasn't the game a fault. The hacker specifically targeted the two players and compromised their PC. check out pirate softwares coverage on it.

what a nice fella

Nexusmods has become a shitshow. Annoying Navigation, unintuitive UI, pay wall features. Sadly still one of the best sites due to age and amount of mods. But I hate the site a lot

the same nexusmods that has been hacked on numerous occasions? 🤣

Only ever used nexus once and recent. That damned dogma quest was such a pain.

Site might be safe, mods in the other hand ..... safe probably.

Nexus literally removed a mod from Spiderman that removed woke flags. That's a good community, to censor mods?

So basically it's possible to get your PSN account banned just because someone only attempted some hack on it, that's absolutely insane indeed. I wonder how some Playstation customers, who got some time ago some weird game licenses unlinked or something like that, were actually handled by PS support, or did they simply lose all their games just that easily. I've been on Xbox since I changed from PS2 to the first Xbox, now I'm planning to get PS5 pro and get back to Playstation after few decades. I'm not sure yet after after seeing some of the horror situations happening on Playstation.

The memories those were the days

Not even 4 years. It was released in late 2021.

The mining-specific issue was with ESEA, not Faceit. Users could create a memory dump file of the ESEA client process and see that they were being mined. They agreed to a $1 million settlement in a consumer protection complaint by the state of New Jersey.

@@beige6620 Ah right it was ESEA not Faceit

Your useful and informative comment is probably gonna get drowned out by the rest and ignored unfortunately.

@@walrider Yeah well... this video was incredibly uninformative, I bet he didn't even read the article cause he got everything wrong, and not just with GTA

No, Defender itself uses telemetry to constantly syphon you're personal data while putting strain on you're CPU

Fortnite and Last Ark both conflicted with my antivirus. Only regret is not finding out until after downloading the games. Deleted them and never looked back.

@@chillhour6155 Ive literally never observed that, and Im a Sr Security Engineer for 25 years. Not saying windows 11 doesnt have annoying stuff that does that and needs to be disabled, but its not in Defender. Unless we are talking about signature recognition for malware.

Exactly, and DRMs such as Denuvo. Kernel level system access given to a third party you probably don't know anything about...

On the other hand, userspace anti-cheat only gets you so far. The only other viable solution to the cheating problem involves making Windows a walled-garden platform with DRM and all the nastiness that comes with it, which is even worse. We can still run all the old games and old software often involving mods and patches to make them compatible only because they are not protected with a DRM. I don't want my PC preventing me from playing a video, an MP3 file or installing an ad-blocker.

Just yesterday Apr 6, Teamfight Tactics just announced using one.

@@AtomicFallout757 Denuvo Anti-Tamper doesn't work in Kernel-Space

That’s the reason I uninstalled Valorant and Genshin impact. I didn’t even realize both games were operated from china. And I don’t want any sort of Anticheat installed to monitor my system that has ties with china whatsoever. So yeah, better be safe than sorry. I didn’t play both games in months anyways.

This is the way

you clearly haven't seen Fallout yet

100 percent true but that information is pretty useless to 99% of people. What is more important is how easy it is.

​@@remingtonrojas How easy is it then? You speak from experience or hear say?

True, being overly cautious won't be helpful aswell. All of these problems can easily be avoided if from the beginning your source is from "trusted place". I said trusted bc there's no safe place on the internet. 😉

If they require you to be online to play that's already a big red flag

@@riotman3579 gaming is already heading that way

Same. I've never allowed any of that Spyware onto any PC.