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@baronmunchausen75712 днів тому
How is this a proper apology?? Where's the interpretative dance? Where's the gaslighting? No cringe poems?
@demetribaldwin11 днів тому
ikr not even a ukulele, very disappointing
@wolvie161811 днів тому
@@demetribaldwin I demand ukulele, I can lend them mine
@LeonBix11 днів тому
Honestly though, i like the guys and im happy they realized their mistake
@KadeNoMula10 днів тому
@@LeonBix It's genuine not beating around the bush. How apologies should be, straightforward.
@cabbitt10 днів тому
No one is sitting on the floor or wearing white. I’m so disappointed.
@Ghost51900_12 днів тому
"Shane finally saw a ghost, the ghost of his career." This comment had me wheezing
@emilyjades11 днів тому
LMAOOO
@MayorGoldieWilson82511 днів тому
Wheezing? Do you have asthma?
@Mt_BT11 днів тому
This comment couldn't be more true.
@Oxipvp11 днів тому
@@MayorGoldieWilson825nah they got COPD
@Peachu_n_Goma_Home11 днів тому
@@MayorGoldieWilson825 wheezing is like an inside joke from their buzzfeed days unsolved series
@ManOfEthnicity9 днів тому
They left buzzfeed and then made all the financial mistakes buzzfeed made. You don't HAVE to build elaborate sets, you don't HAVE to hire all your friends, you don't HAVE to constantly travel. There are bigger channels than them that are literally just a dude in a chair.
@hydrogen32668 днів тому
But if they wanted to do that, they wouldn’t have started at Buzzfeed. It’s the same thing with the Try Guys imo, where they don’t just want to be content creators, and they don’t want to just be youtubers. They want to be media hosts/personalities and producers at their own independent production company, and youtube is just an easy way to build a fan base and get money from it. They all liked Buzzfeed, minus the lack of ownership over your work and quota system. But the Try Guys and Buzzfeed Unsolved were two of the biggest shows they ever made, so they definitely had better treatment than other staff members there. The only good transition (that I’ve seen) from Buzzfeed content into being a normal UKpostsr is Safiya Nygaard, who has been pretty good at staying relevant by making fun content that often stays within a niche. She doesn’t let the jokes run old/stale, and she doesn’t make a parody out of herself. It’s a great incorporation of her real life with content, and she’s always been pretty entertaining. Her videos are also high quality while still feeling like she’s a creator, not just the host or the star personality of the video. Those kinds of things are what rub me the wrong way about Watcher and Try Guys
@dudejuice56683 дні тому
Which is a poetic saying as Charles is a good example
@merucrypoison296День тому
Yea I really hope they’re just terrible at managing their money rather than them just being greedy since I actually kinda care about those guys
@TripleKrabbySupreme11 днів тому
people LOVED the low quality shit. small office, old ass decorations, and blue and yellow text on a black screen? 10/10. it was so good cause their personalities not the quality (watcher had some bangers too ngl but they kinda ventured pretty far from the content i liked)
@AC-th4ci10 днів тому
Ikr?? I stuck with Watcher for maybe a year or two when they first started, but I lost interest in Puppet History when they killed off the professor (I think it came back but I just didn't care by that point), and I was growing out of the ghost hunting/true crime videos before they even left BUN. They never put out anything else that really grabbed me-- going through their channel now it just looks like a 2015 Buzzfeed reskin. That kind of content was fun when I was 17-18, but now I'm 26 and it's not for me lol.
@niranjanrajesh105810 днів тому
Nothing compares to buzzfeed unsolved, especially pre covid buzzfeed unsolved. That period of unsolved was pure gold. So good. So entertaining. Two dudes talking, black screen. Just amazing
@midnight111610 днів тому
I only watch Watcher for Shane and Ryan's mystery and ghost files.
@Jessa889110 днів тому
This! Why do they need sets, videographers, etc? You can also get amazing quality on smartphones now. Spending all this money just to make the videos is ridiculous.
@Tucan_Cam10 днів тому
1000% agree
@stalebagels01212 днів тому
I would have paid $6 to see the absolute chaos crisis-mode the office must have been in the whole weekend
@KyrusSupaul12 днів тому
Nice copy and paste
@noway37712 днів тому
I imagine a lot of pissing, shitting, and crying. 😂
@lunamiku416612 днів тому
I bet $6 a lot of pointing who's fault this shit happened in their office Also gonna wagger that this definitely made their relationship with each other on thin ice
@swiftlyjer-pdf12 днів тому
delete this before they see it
@noway37712 днів тому
@@swiftlyjer-pdf delete it before they delete it first
@reaganb601311 днів тому
the thing that has bugged me the most during this whole situation is shane's wife's tumblr post. she said something about how it's hard to pay people fairly and also make a survivable wage. girl... your wedding venue alone cost $50k and you wore THREE DIFFERENT wedding dresses. last week you posted about a $100 TOTE BAG you bought. don't pretend you're struggling or barely making a "survivable wage" edit: I'm not saying she can't spend her money how she wants to. I just think it's annoying when rich ppl act like they are struggling financially
@Maplebear120311 днів тому
Not to mention his wife doesn't work none of that money was her own it was watcher money she just wants people to keep paying for her expensive tastes while she gets to sit home and do half assed art
@littlelilac90111 днів тому
Where are you seeing the three wedding dresses? I’ve only seen one and a shorter dress she wore at her reception.
@EazyDuz1811 днів тому
Poor
@windws713711 днів тому
After that story addition no wonder, this pay to play strategy was brought so that their wives could buy a gucci purse😂
@arielbeck11 днів тому
Rather knowing how to manage your funds the right way 🫢
@easyadventurer11 днів тому
“We can’t keep this type of content on YT” “Okay, so we will keep this content on YT, just a month late”
@acleanpairofsocks10 днів тому
😆yup. Plus, idk man, everyone else seems to be able to keep their content on YT, so it sounds like an issue on your end.
@nuyynuyy9 днів тому
Other channels already do this shit. You guys are just throwing a hissy fit because your relatable UKposts want to get paid for it lol. They're stupid doe announcing it
@Maplebear12039 днів тому
@@nuyynuyy they ARE getting paid though patreon, merch, live show tickets with ad cents and sponsors it's not a making money issue it's a irresponsible spending issue
@Sahasrahla.8 днів тому
With this method they aren't as exposed to risk when their videos get demonetized. They talk about murder and sex and rape all the time, thankfully without bleeping or annoyingly muting them out, other channels won't even say those words for fear of getting demonetized. If you're only posting one or two big videos per week it takes a huge chunk of the revenue if it gets flagged.
@cosmosequation66727 днів тому
@@Maplebear1203 patreon has a tax, merch is barely sold, they don't have many live shows, sponsors hardly reaches out to them and sometimes sponsors doesn't give money but rather benefits.
@gum88412 днів тому
How far has society come that public figures acknowledging what they did wrong while apologizing is now a high standard for an apology
@the.sketch.projekt885112 днів тому
Cause everyone is so numb to the fact that most people just ignore the criticism, double-down, attack the people critiquing, or just blatantly keep doing what they're doing that when someone actually realizes of their mistake, people think it's a needle in a haystack. Why? All we see if just the worst of the worst, so we just expect someone to be a scumbag.
@sweetcherry775912 днів тому
Bc it’s the right thing to do and it shows they listened- and that’s kinda rare
@mocapcow293312 днів тому
@@sweetcherry7759I mean if they didn’t listen, they would permanently stain their career. This is the bare minimum.
@MFBloosh12 днів тому
It's different with the Watcher guys. They're actually good dudes. Most people would've just ignored their fans. Lol.
@ThatGuy-qp6dv12 днів тому
R u new to UKposts?? Most apologies aren't apologies. They usually go on a counter attack and double down or shift blame 😂😂😂
@SnacksFan12 днів тому
I do fully believe that they are mismanaging their money and don’t know how to budget properly. None of these 3 guys know anything about running a business. Shane and Ryan fully backed out of their executive roles in the company to make Steven the sole CEO. And Steven, frankly, is the one whose content specifically revolved around buying, eating, and/or making very expensive food. From my perspective, he doesn’t have the best grasp on sound financial decision making. Honestly Charlie, you should get in contact with them and see what the hell is going on over at watcher hq 💀
@tea904712 днів тому
yeah, like worth it was fine cause it was all off buzzfeed money but i don’t think he fully realizes that this isn’t buzzfeed anymore and the people aren’t gonna be happy with him eating gold and truffles in his tesla off viewers money 💀💀
@Cattrix99912 днів тому
lol, I've watched Shane and Ryan's content and if Steven has been involved in their content.. cool. But I have never watched anything Steven has produced. It just doesn't interest me.
@dotdedo12 днів тому
Honestly he could write off all that expensive food as a tax write off in the United States if it was in a monetized video. So if he’s smart enough to do that at least he’s getting a fat return every year which is even worse
@intothepale355112 днів тому
I didn't realize Steven is now in charge, that explains a lot in a very worrying way.
@moonbeams499912 днів тому
I'd pay money for Charlie and MatPat to drop in on Watcher to provide financial guidance like a reality show.
@InfiniteAnvil11 днів тому
You touched on what the community suspects is going on: mismanagement behind the scenes. Specifically, the impression we get is that they've hired too many people, and have wildly inflated production budgets. As an example: they've got a lets-play series called Survival Mode. How many people do you think need to be involved in making a lets-play series? There's two people on screen, plus an editor, plus to be generous maybe someone to handle the lights, cameras, and microphones. Four people tops, right? For their latest Survival Mode episode, on top of the 2 people on screen/playing the games, they had a director, producer, tech director, editor, post-production supervisor, production coordinator, gaffer, camera operator, sound mixer, PA, DIT, and assistant editor. That's 14 people working on one episode of a lets-play. (There were more people credited, but I'm limiting this to people who presumably had hands on producing *that episode*, unlike for example the logo designer, executive producers, head of development, and head of production.) Thanks to u/Shitfaced-Crusader on reddit who raised this to the greater community's attention
@ferinzz10 днів тому
PLEASE tell me it's at least the best let's play ever with dynamic lighting effects and multiple cameras and amazing editing that doesn't rely on the game itself. Because otherwise wtf is a director going to do? The game is the director. And I just went to look at it and it's the most basic shit ever...
@jeongin601410 днів тому
@@ferinzz ur gonna hate this but the game is the main part along with shane and ryan joking about, theres some lighting changes throughout and some light editing here and there but literally no use for that many ppl 😭
@wingdingdoes668710 днів тому
I'm all for creating new jobs,,,, but that's INSANE
@Giawulf10 днів тому
Thats insane. To put it in perspective...when Gametheory does their GTNotLive vids, aka their let's plays...they have a team of four: Matt on the couch as the host, Ash as cameraperson, audio tech, and co-host, an Editor in post-production, and I believe one additional audio/video tech person. GT is also a huge channel like Watchers, so the fact that Watchers is using a team of 14 people for a lets play vid whereas Game Theory, a channel of similar size, does it with a team of four is insane mismanagement on Watchers' part.
@IrrelevantKoby10 днів тому
I've seen higher production quality LPs done by just a single person and they were full LPs on top of that instead of just mostly one offs that Watcher was doing
@alisonmiller407111 днів тому
“We need to pay our employees a fair wage” *brings on two more people and starts up worth it again*
@kaeyaliker10 днів тому
it's insane to me that andrew and adam even agreed to join this whole mess... it makes me feel like steven/ryan/shane were so unaware about their audience's perception of them, they appeared confident enough for others to accept whatever offer they'd make i just can't wrap my mind around the fact that there were so many important figures in a room and everyone just agreed with the leaving youtube idea, like, no one said a thing??? specially andrew. dude always seemed to be so down to earth and idk? wise? lmfao it's just weird
@caitchri24268 днів тому
“We need to pay our employees a fair wage.” *LIVES IN CALIFORNIA MAKING CONTENT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CALIFORNIA* Guys, just move your business somewhere more cost effective … your 1mil salaries would go much further literally 100miles east.
@crispeggies12 днів тому
they were at their best when it was just blue and yellow text on a screen. they really never needed more production value than that
@Sheridan2LT11 днів тому
Ikr?? That's when I watched them the most! I mean of course they had production value still, using stock images in a clever way, really good video editing etc., but they don't need an insanely high budget.
@Robisquick11 днів тому
I'm betting that the format didn't bring in new viewers enough or it got played out. Sure we have a nostalgia bias, but no matter how great the original style is, the appetites of the viewers, especially considering there are always new young kids coming onto youtube, there almost certainly has to be a refreshing element. Only in very very rare cases can one stay true to the same exact format and maintain for more than a couple years. But who knows. Hard to deconstruct and be sure
@crispeggies11 днів тому
@Robisquick im sure that flashier/higher production value videos made it easier to attract newer & younger viewers. if they never changed i know that i personally never would have complained
@chelsear948311 днів тому
@@Robisquickactually they left because Unsolved was not allowing them to provide their own input into any of the videos and was making it harder and harder for them. They talked about it before. I do miss the text on the video but they might not be able to do that because it could be property of Unsolved.
@ihswap11 днів тому
Never heard of this channel. Is it like a spiritual successor to Buzzfeed's unsolved?
@HerHollyness12 днів тому
You’re right about their ads. Their fan base has actually complimented them on their sponsored bits several times and said they watch them willingly because of how fun they are. I can’t believe they would find it hard to get sponsors at all.
@adrianaheiler979412 днів тому
The ads on the last Mystery Files season maybe even got more compliments than the actual content, I saw loads of people getting really invested in them.
@AnAngryFetus12 днів тому
I love Professor Morris Ashley and his story. I want to see if he can find love after his time with his beautiful, estranged, Italian wife, Bianca Sophia.
@vita_pulchra_est12 днів тому
The way I look at it is that they want full control on whether or not the videos will be monetized or not. UKposts can at any time say "were changing the rules to monetization" and they wont have a say about the matter. Not to say their solution to this risk makes good sense for the audience.
@Goblinboyo16212 днів тому
@CleanserSquadSigma HEY EVERYONE this mf spelt asked wrong what a loser! Let’s all point and laugh at him!🫵🤣
@showaker475512 днів тому
there are a few content creators who's ads are either too funny to skip or blend in pretty well to the skit they are doing. Ryan George's can be funny sometimes and Zach Star blends his with his skits.
@summy130010 днів тому
When they were describing Ghost Files costs thats when it clicked for me. I watched their supernatural on buzzfeed and was really enjoying it, but with watcher it didn't hit the same... thats probably because on buzzfeed they went in maybe couple of people and a few small cameras on tripod. You can tell ryan was actually scared there. I bet its less scary when you go into an abandoned building with crew of 15 people and lots of equipment. Didn't feel genuine for me anymore
@mrsgunsage019 днів тому
Yeah I watched Ghost Files a few times but it wasn't as good as Unsolved. I actually hadn't even thought of them for a year or so until this hit.
@oliviap.13709 днів тому
I think part of that is also that at the start of buzzfeed, he was a random dude who had no real experience with going into these haunted places. Exposure therapy is a real thing, overtime the more people are exposed to/experience their fears the less they're scared of them. He went from having no experience to being a bona-fide ghost hunter. Of course he's not as scared, he's been in dozens of haunted places by now.
@summy13008 днів тому
@@oliviap.1370 yes, I agree, this also plays a big role in this. It's not realistic for everyone to continue with every episode like its their first. That's why it just doesn't hit the same
@muhammadryanelyeddari863111 днів тому
They should've posted the apology on the Watcher platform and put the preview on UKposts.
@clarknelson587510 днів тому
Lol that's a good one
@thiccomniman12 днів тому
No ukulele, apology declined.
@anxietyonline194712 днів тому
Top comment.
@ItsJustSeb12 днів тому
Absolutely agree.
@440-fishermandrock812 днів тому
That dude likes dudes 😂😂😂
@DontReadMyPicture9312 днів тому
*Don’t read my name…😮*
@bimapriambada109812 днів тому
It fell off massively tbh
@cxsmikaiyo12 днів тому
25 employees and not even one capable finance manager
@sarahm.801310 днів тому
there's just friends and family in that company. no finance manager
@slickricky76910 днів тому
its not so much the channel... they are living extravagant lives so they keep paying themselves a "liveable wage" you know one that enough to to host as couple 100k wedding
@SonjaHamburg10 днів тому
@@sarahm.8013for their apology video alone, they credit like 2 directors of photography, a creative director, multiple editors, a production coordinator,... . That's not "i hire some friends&family". That is thinking they are a tv channel!
@millawitt188210 днів тому
😂
@sarahm.80139 днів тому
@@SonjaHamburg and even all that for an apology video is crazy.
@HarperNell11 днів тому
I think they shot themselves in the foot pretty badly here. One of the things that separated Watcher from other UKpostsrs or entertainment ventures was their extremely loyal and active fanbase. If the situation was that they needed money right now or the channel would shut down, they genuinely could've just asked the fanbase point blank and the fans would've been there. Now, no matter how loyal the fans were originally, there's always gonna be a bad taste left in your mouth when you think of the company.
@madisontutone981010 днів тому
That is exactly how I feel! Like I don’t watch every video but even id try and chip in if they just flat out asked and I own multiple pieces of merch too. But like even with this apology being good I just can’t look at them the same
@Just_Reading_Comments8 днів тому
Maybe if they weren’t spending ~$250,000 on a wedding and other extravagances they wouldn’t need to try and milk their fanbase for more money.
@maryhough80416 днів тому
Exactly, a simple “hey, wanna donate so we can work on production value?” Woulda sufficed.
@lillymae963711 днів тому
can’t believe they said they would have to end the channel if they didn’t do this??? there were A LOT of other options, cut your own salaries, fire some of your staff if necessary. their audience already throws TONS of money at them, they said it themselves, live shows merch patreon etc., it’s not the audience’s responsibility to pay your 25 employees. could’ve just made some necessary cut backs but instead greed took over and permanently damaged their brand. sad really.
@Lozza6859 днів тому
I agree fully there but just want to point out something. Customers going into a restaurant to eat are expected to pay waiters in America by way of tips. A waiter/servers salary from their employers is that small and pitiful that customers are expected to give the servers a tip. Isn’t what watcher asking of it’s fan base the same as what is expected of customers in a restaurant? My thought to your comment of it’s not the audience’s responsibility to pay their staff, it’s not a customers responsibility to pay a waiters wage either. It’s the employers,
@lillymae96379 днів тому
@@Lozza685 i agree with you but unfortunately employers refuse to pay their servers a living wage, that’s the way it’s been for a long time i don’t see it changing any time soon
@bcjfzoufljvlhfoyyf88609 днів тому
@@Lozza685what they’re doing is closer to having a meal served by a person that’s only slightly underpaid bc of seniority/popularity, getting ample tips(patreon) and now adding an automatic tip onto your check on top of it all. i have no problem tipping but we patrons shouldn’t have to pay for more than just our meal to ensure their server made enough money to buy their own. and on top of that when a person just adds a tip for me to give them that leaves a very bitter taste. Watcher is now expecting and demanding viewers to pay for ANY of their new content, which is so much more entitled than just having a patreon where supporters CHOOSE to further support you and often get a special thank you video.
@saga68512 днів тому
One of the comments on their video stood out to me: “It was funny when you ate gold leaf ice cream on Buzzfeed’s dime, but it’s less funny when it’s our money” They wanted more money, plain and simple. These buzzfeed alumni are used to a cushier lifestyle, but someone else was supplying the money back then. Now they’re treating their fans like their former employer; an infinite cash cow.
@j.artiste859612 днів тому
Fire everyone except Shane, Ryan and ONE cameraman. Go back to ghost hunting and storytelling (in a small studio). I will be sending them a bill for financial advice. 😂
@Aceofspades200612 днів тому
If u can find the comment again but there @ cus you know credit. :)
@sgt.lincolnosiris411112 днів тому
@@Aceofspades2006this isn't high school. No one cares.
@Van-ff6tq12 днів тому
Best comment I’ve seen thus far
@NoodleVerse12 днів тому
To be fair it's been 5 years since they left buzzfeed so i doubt that they are still used to a cushier lifestyle at this point, this argument would've made sense if it was only a year after they left, but after 5 years i don't think it holds much water. Though was still a very surprising and very bad move from them, never would have thought that about them
@mariac412710 днів тому
This reminds me of when the fine bros tried to trademark the word “react.” It showed that they were completely out of touch with their audience and now it’s how people remember them. I doubt people will just forget this.
@caylei99678 днів тому
I forgot about them actually (fine bros)
@IrisCorven11 днів тому
Imagine if they paywalled the apology. That would have been galaxy brain tier.
@martinmcwilliams10 днів тому
Linus ltt levels of not reading room if they did that lol
@sarahm.801310 днів тому
they actually did that on patreon when the one on the left admitted to being friends with people that are "kinda racist and homophobic"
@Jonathan_Collins12 днів тому
The comment section on Watcher's announcement was majestic. It turns out you either die an independent youtube channel or live long enough to see yourself become Buzzfeed again.
@itz_me_aziza_2112 днів тому
Crazy how I licked my lips while eating pizza as a twin girl 😘
@LeBimbo12 днів тому
nice copy & paste
@chrisrosado75412 днів тому
Me when I steal someone else's comment for likes (stolen from Philip Defranco video)
@rememberpickles12 днів тому
Whoa. That's some truth.
@elfinflame624412 днів тому
Or cheat on your wife with a coworkee
@sierra782712 днів тому
saw a comment under the apology vid that said if they’re struggling this much to produce videos even with patreon, sponsors, merch, live shows, and everything else so much so that they felt like they needed to launch this separate subscription service in the first place, it’s not a matter of making more money, it’s a matter of spending less. this hits the nail on the head for me, so many ppl are saying they’re just there for the chemistry between shane and ryan and don’t care about production quality, and it seems like watcher either doesn’t know or doesn’t care about this and both their finances and their intentions with their content seem to be horribly misguided, like they don’t know what their audience is even there to see in the first place
@idontwantahandlethough12 днів тому
there's 100% some suits messing things up from behind the scenes, I guarantee it
@helalakeoffire12 днів тому
@@idontwantahandlethoughagree!
@carsongxd12 днів тому
Your comment brings up a good point. If they’re struggling, they should ask for help in a more humane and compassionate way. Not push away the majority of their viewers by putting up a literal pay-WALL.
@charlidvds329612 днів тому
Agree completely. If they need help financially they could come up with a new show and ask for crowd funding. The fan base would put money on anything as long as they get something out of it for not much… like buzzfeed unsolved was peak for me and although they were being funded it was cheaper than what they are doing now.
@ihuntgroomers12 днів тому
Democrats and progressives generally don't run successful businesses, the ones that do are lying and are conservatives 😂 so just like vice and buzzfeed these guys will fail no matter how much support they have or how many views they get . Democrats can mess up a wet dream . Shame the content is good , they just need a conservative to run the business .
@AgentZombieMan10 днів тому
The thing with the $6, is that it legitimately ISN'T that much, that's 1 cup of coffee a month. But the problem is that there is already 500 other services who are begging for $5-10 a month, INCLUDING THEM WITH THEIR PATREON. If they were one of 4 services in the world asking for a $6 sub, that would be one thing, but since it's one of so many (and again, they already had a different subscription that they asked people to partake in) that left such the bad taste.
@ramseyzev517910 днів тому
and they completely forgot about conversion for outside rhe us. a fan from the Philippines on the goodbye video said $6 usd is more than a day and a half of normal wages there
@kristin123a10 днів тому
If they at least made a deal or shared service with like 3-4 other channels it could've made sense, but did they really expect to earn big bucks from this? Would't it be better to make the prices on patreon higher or smt? Or even ask for direct donations? Or sell each episode for like $1?
@theflyingdutchguy987010 днів тому
you buy $6 cups of coffee?!?!? i doubt a cup of coffee i drink costs less than 1
@blandcoffeeamv41079 днів тому
@@ramseyzev5179So, so, so true! My husband earned 400€ a month (conversion rates between Euro and Dollar are not that crazy) which could provide for a family of 4! Imagine more than 10% of your wage go to that! When you can feed so many people on your wage.
@mirandoromero8 днів тому
Minimum wage in my state is $7. I make $15 at a really good job. They're asking for an hour of work for some people
@davidsantiagotate738011 днів тому
I work on independent films that can get really high production value with just a small fraction of the budget watcher has. I call total BS on their excuse that they need more money in order to provide that quality. What I’m seeing is a huge mismanagement of funds and resources. They need to cut back on the ridiculous amount of money they’re spending before they start asking for more.
@wolfgangwaxlobster30463 дні тому
Greed. Greed is the word you’re looking for
@lilytran341412 днів тому
"really odd mismanagement" It's this one. Everything I've glimpsed from their behind the scenes makes it seem like they have no idea how to manage their money as a business and they aren't hiring anyone to do that. Ghost Files should not be taking six figures an episode to produce.
@blademasterzero12 днів тому
A correction from another comment. I’ve heard it’s actually only six figures a season instead, which while less is still a massive amount
@davidlazerz856412 днів тому
@@blademasterzero If they are paying a living wage to a few people to work on it then that seems reasonable. If they are wasting 90% of it on extra shit then yea thats dumb.
@Anne-fn4po12 днів тому
@@davidlazerz8564yeah the problem is it's not "a few" people that work on it but they have So Many employees (which can be seen listed in credit under videos), they really don't need that many at all or to spend so much on production/equipment
@Ducks2312 днів тому
@@davidlazerz8564 a livable wage according to data and news articles for LA is 110k, which is insane. They said they have 25 ppl hired. At 110k that’s 2.75MM a year. Even if you drop the salary to 80k that’s 2MM a year. 25 employees on salary for a UKposts channel that produces 4-6 videos a month in ridiculous. That isn’t a few people. They are bloated and more than likely paying significantly more than similar roles at other companies. Their operating expenses are too high before you get into the rest of the balance sheet. They don’t know how to run a business. They need to drastically increase their revenue (which probably was the result of their original announcement) to keep their current staff, less people at current salary levels or cheaper labor. That should be the first step before they optimize their whole production to reduce costs.
@nicka504012 днів тому
@@davidlazerz8564 They credited 17 people including a Gaffer/Lighting in a cheap Let's-play video and only put out on average a video a week. lol.
@gracefoster758712 днів тому
Charlie missed that they don’t have 3 tiers on Patreon, they actually have 4. The highest isn’t $25/month it’s ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.
@Nunyabisness8612 днів тому
Omg who is rich enough in this economy to pay for that shit
@weeklyfont12 днів тому
no parasocial relationship that doesnt involve showing feet is worth half that much
@nnnmmmable12 днів тому
@@Nunyabisness86A person who is rich enough. Seriously.
@amberskies418712 днів тому
bro what-
@km276612 днів тому
100?! I hope there is ejaculation.on video
@bellastroscio827410 днів тому
The way you can CLEARLY tell they made Steven read the bit about insensitivity around the cost and he didn’t want to 😭
@cici70516 днів тому
Why? Can you explain please I don’t get it
@ddr17064 дні тому
Me neither
@danielwood813511 днів тому
The dude in the middle is absolutely being held at knife point
@VV-er3zg9 днів тому
he's always been the self-righteous one ("eat the rich" yet privileged type of guy), I assume it's a bit of an ego hit to be in this position
@danielwood81359 днів тому
@@VV-er3zg Beautiful, love to see it
@cheese.strings.for.breakfast9 днів тому
😂😂😂😂
@VV-er3zg8 днів тому
@@danielwood8135 meeeee tooo 😋
@rezhaadriantanuharja33897 днів тому
That knife has a name: his impending wedding bill, rumored to be around 50K+ USD
@bannedfromslapbattles240712 днів тому
I think they need to hire a CEO with legitimate experience. This has been a disaster and 100% could've been avoided with more oversight and business acumen.
@_boogatti_12 днів тому
Apparently up until recently they were doing fine with Steven as the head, especially at the start. They did videos around the process of making their company. But I suppose reviving his old content of traveling and eating expensive stuff threw a wrench in the machine.
@RazielDeTam12 днів тому
I guess, they actually hired a CEO, and that's his genius Idea
@GlacialScion12 днів тому
"Business acumen" is how you get decisions like this in the first place.
@LostMane12 днів тому
@@GlacialScion facts
@TableForOne197612 днів тому
@@RazielDeTamSteven Lim is their CEO. In terms of business acumen, he is a ten year old in a 33 year old’s body.
@MarvelSonicFan0412 днів тому
Maybe they need a ukulele
@itz_me_aziza_2112 днів тому
Crazy how I licked my lips while eating pizza as a twin girl 😘
@Austin_Jason12 днів тому
My parents said if I hit 20k they'd buy me a professional camera begging you guys literally begging nshshe
Didn't ask. My content is far superior and has more value than anything this youtuber has ever produced so get over it!
@kirkschwarz11 днів тому
2 things people: 1. Don’t spend more than you earn. 2. Don’t think you’re bigger than UKposts - there’s thousands of stories out there… but millions of others who can tell them.
@hydrogen32668 днів тому
Right. If you can’t make the content because you can’t afford it, don’t make it. Their fans would rather see them make something of lower production value than feel abandoned or forced to pay them a subscription for their content
@MrMakeDo10 днів тому
Surely no one believes they’re genuinely sorry because they messed up? They’re apologising because they’ve realised they’re gonna lose subs and money from it.
@aidanwiehl23979 днів тому
If you can't accept a well formulated apology such as this one, you can't accept any. I find that sort of sad. I do think they are sorry
@Maplebear12039 днів тому
@@aidanwiehl2397 it took to long and was to calculated for it to feel like anything more than "sorry we tried to blatantly demand more money we'll try to be less obvious next time"
@DebtSentence8 днів тому
@@aidanwiehl2397A bunch of millionaires begging for money in the most obviously manipulative tone possible. These people are extremely calculated but act like their greed was a mistake. The business is making easily a million dollars yearly, and they cry about expensive in the thousands.
@GalinaEv4 дні тому
Anyone reading from the promt instead of saying it in thier own words - is insincere to me
@hannybee897512 днів тому
Even the demons that possess Shane knew they fucked up.
@wiseguy151212 днів тому
Even the goat wanted his bridge back
@Its_like_the_T-Rex12 днів тому
Is it weird I read that in my inner Morgan Freeman voice.
@katethevampire12 днів тому
Guys the demons made them do this trust me 😰😰😰
@peregrintook31012 днів тому
My favorite comment from the og video was “maybe that fortune teller that told Ryan that he was going to die, meant his entire career…” 😂😂😂
@LizLuvsCupcakes12 днів тому
"Shane, you have stepped in it this time, you are ON YOUR OWN." "You can have your bridge back???" "Maybe someone will rent it from you for six dollars a month."
@spookyy.k12 днів тому
If I had a dollar for each time some ex-buzzfeed employees made a company, resulting in 3 men talking seriously on a couch, I'd have 2, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
@GW4232912 днів тому
Copied comment from the watcher apology video.
@kyleellis182512 днів тому
If I had a nickel for everytime someone has repurposed this quote in another uninspired way, I'd be rich. Which is hilarious considering the quote was about something be slightly unusual, not so common you hear it multiple times a day.
@nate994812 днів тому
@@GW42329 oh this comment has been around for a while, seen the same exact comment years ago, kids these days dont know how to be original
@Avaa-vanilla99512 днів тому
@kyleellis1825 it's just a silly little thing from Phineas and Ferb
@CaLypSO445612 днів тому
I saw this word for word on twitter
@sana605711 днів тому
i just feel like they so easily dismissed all youtube viewers who dont pay them like "if ure unable to afford a little 6 dollars subscription we dont need you to see our content BYE" like okay bye im not returning even after the apology 🤷🏻♂️
@EvaSofie9 днів тому
They said they’re keeping the videos on UKposts and will post new stuff to UKposts so what do you mean
@sana60579 днів тому
@@EvaSofie i meant their original idea of only releasing the videos on their own platform
@EvaSofie9 днів тому
@@sana6057 which they aren’t doing anymore
@honeybeestims8 днів тому
Honestly, they might just be really out of touch and somehow genuinely not know that $6 wasn’t affordable to everyone. I don’t watch their stuff, but that’s how I perceived it
@sarahm.80135 днів тому
@@EvaSofie the rich la men do not care about you that's what op is trying to say.
@Crystalised247 днів тому
As someone who works in market research, it’s absolutely BAFFLING to me that they didn’t poll their audience on this idea first. It seems like the way the “goodbye UKposts” video was led up to and the entire concept of that video was very insincere and not transparent, which left people feeling ambushed and then thrown away. If they had asked their patreon members and their UKposts audience what they thought about a potential streaming service, they could’ve gauged the audience reaction and also introduced everyone to the idea in a more gradual way, but instead they hit everyone with it out of left field once the decision had already been made. Especially when they’ve created a community that feels a close personal connection to them, it really feels like a betrayal to leave them out of decisions like this. I just want to know if they consulted with a professional about this move or did it on their own, cause they either need a refund or to hire a pro lmfao
@Ratlife0412 днів тому
The fact that they also just hired more people for Steven's show but they say they worry about paying ,in Shane's wife's words, livable wages but are paying new people and are worried about the pay is wild to me, like how can you hire more people when yall are having trouble with the people you already have
@JACpotatos12 днів тому
They're just worried that they won't be able to keep their $1M salaries 😂
@Kiterpuss12 днів тому
I get the impression a lot of this fuss is specifically because of Steven and his own goals steamrolling the other guys. He took the lead in the original video announcement and some of the verbiage by Shane and Ryan in this apology feel VERY pointed. Lots of unspoken "I told you so."
@sneakysnail922512 днів тому
Yeah with how big they were there's no way they couldn't pay their workers unless they were spending it on luxuries 💀💀💀
@NightQueen0112 днів тому
They wanted to bring on the guys from Worth It. Which Steven and Ryan wrote for Buzzfeed and was as successful, if not more successful than UnSolved. Hiring the two guys from that show would be worth it in my eyes specifically Andrew, he's very charismatic and has quite the following of his own. They could all make really good popular content together. They will make more money with Andrew and Adam, I just think they failed to realise they would need to make budget cuts else where to support the new talent.
@masterdon18712 днів тому
Welcome to the corporate world. my last company they kept delaying our pay rise for over 2 years saying lack of funds but kept hiring new people with higher salary. And what do you know they lost 7 of the original members within 6 months. Companies have the money but refuse to take a dip in profit for a better workplace
@Skittyscooter12 днів тому
I’m SO glad they apologized. Everyone needs to take a book out of the sonic movie and LISTEN TO THEIR AUDIENCE
@whatswiththisnewhandlesthing12 днів тому
There should be a scale from the Saints Row Reboot to the Sonic Movie to categorise how to handle that shit
@DontReadMyPicture9312 днів тому
*Don’t read my name…😮*
@lightseyedea76312 днів тому
@@whatswiththisnewhandlesthinggod don't remind me of the SR reboot... one of my favorite series man
@stinkybumwhole265312 днів тому
That was a fake out to draw attention to the movie
@Woter_X12 днів тому
You should not be needing an apology from the Internet. Like seriously what is wrong with you? I think you need to put your phone down and get in touch with actual human beings. Anybody who is needing an apology from somebody on a free platform is completely out of touch.
@itstrash_pigeon530410 днів тому
Watcher: “We are going through financial strive, thus we need more money from our fans!!!” Also Watcher: *hires two people to continue a series which causes major financial costs, to reboot a show that had its own channel that flopped due to lack of funds…* 🤔🤔🤔
@Crystalised247 днів тому
This is what I feel like a lot of people aren’t connecting, like they make this announcement as soon as they hire on the two guys associated with making content that involves buying the most expensive food/service and it’s just a coincidence?? Seems a lil fishy
@LordPichuPal10 днів тому
I have to admit, I'm also shocked how genuine this apology is. They took accountability for everything, addressed all the feedback and concerns, didn't try to deflect or act like they're right, and explained things pretty clearly. I'm in agreement that it's baffling why they thought this was necessary to make a separate platform for further profit when they aren't struggling, but they at least were quick to react and course correct instead of doubling down on it and blame their fans. So good on them for that.
@DocAcher5 днів тому
I agree. I thought it was a sincere apology that also addressed people's concerns with appropriate solutions... It is weird though why they felt like a private platform sub model was needed though? I seriously question the decisions of their ceo on this... and I'd be curious about what type of contracts Shane and Ryan have agreed to with him.
@Jerrbearr052012 днів тому
Watcher: "We were going to lay off employees and we weren't going to survive if we didn't do this" Also Watcher: *continues to hire more people*
@scourgehh71412 днів тому
Have to understand though. New hires are often overworked and paid basically nothing, way cheaper than current employees
@SleepWalker8812 днів тому
Also Watcher: and in our apology video we’re gonna lie about our revenue
@souljaboy141612 днів тому
@@scourgehh714 actually usually existing employees are paid ass and the new hires get hired on a dollar more
@rosemadder554712 днів тому
For their "high quality".... Food shows? 😅
@rosemadder554712 днів тому
@@scourgehh714 and? Their profit is huge.
@jijitters12 днів тому
The funny thing is, if they had just made a kickstarter or crowdfund and stated, "hey this is how much this show costs to make, please help us raise the money we need for the season and then we'll go do it" with direct promises of what that money was for, they would've easily hit targets, like no question, especially if it was Puppet History or Ghost Files related. Asking people to pay for a nebulous idea including content they don't want was the wrong move when they could've easily focused on direct funding to things they want.
@Mr-Spood12 днів тому
@ZackM-sx7tccreep
@booxwee380412 днів тому
@ZackM-sx7tcThats kinda creepy..
@charlieseen12 днів тому
@ZackM-sx7tc Brother, as a woman, if you start a sentence off with "Not to be a creep, but", whatever you're saying or typing should stay as an inside thought 😭
@acookie754812 днів тому
wasn't one of the options after subscription being able to vote for which show to revive? from a list of shows that literally died the first time?
@marandabolish12 днів тому
You're right. If one of your shows is watching someone eat literal gold maybe people don't want to see that if it means they now have to pay to see the content people want to see.
@aligaytor11 днів тому
Whoever is managing their money needs to be investigated for embezzlement if they're blowing through all that money so fast :/
@user-mf8rt8yc3d10 днів тому
Their goodbye video started with a shot of Watcher Headquarters IN HOLLYWOOD. 🤦🏻♂️
@marastruck12 днів тому
I did NOT expect them to apologise lmao
@itz_me_aziza_2112 днів тому
Crazy how I licked my lips while eating pizza as a twin girl 😘
At least they did and at least it's better than most apology vids.
@mn994612 днів тому
When Smosh was going down, they literally sold their company in order to provide free entertainment to their fans while still being able to do what they wanted creatively. I think it's frustrating that their first thought was not to get a financial manager, business manager, even a damn media/marketing manager or look within their company to see what they could do but rather impose it on their fans. Saying we're taking away all your content if you don't pay us is wildly horrible marketing strategy to introduce a new product.
@MoHaziq9312 днів тому
Smosh is such a good example. They have way more mouths to feed and much lesser views during that era. They survived without paywalling and now became bigger than ever before.
@kieira12 днів тому
Because Steven's tesla isnt going to paid itself, or you know...Steven's lets go eat to the most expensive restaurant we can find and make a video of me eating a 1000 dollars hamburger, for the channel of course. Also, who has extra money to hire a financial manager or a business manager? Steven first needs to hire his buddies from back of Buzzfeed to work on his lets eat expensive food show.
@RoeBoats12 днів тому
the best example I've come across so far. Big props to smosh for not giving up and always trying to keep their fans happy. Now I'm even more bothered by the whole Watcher situation considering what Smosh went through.
@Alex-sl1hm12 днів тому
I was wondering if they were going through something similar to smosh. Perhaps they already sold watcher and are owned by a scammy company or already have a manager who is taking way more than their fair share(?) That's the only way I can see their maths making sense...
@VIXVIIIMCMXCVII12 днів тому
Smosh fucking sucks though
@lunaloo822411 днів тому
I think one of my biggest problems is they introduced these changes in a way that fits the format of “I’m talking to you as a friend and not a customer.” I feel like they prooooobably knew this might not go over so well, so they had this “month early + ad free” on the back burner. This is a good business decision! When making big changes, it’s good to have the same changes but to a lesser extent just in case people don’t like it. To then make the business decision into this idea of speaking to you, their FRIENDS, from the couch in plain clothes trying to be comfy and casual and saying we are sooooo sorry we never thought this could happen…. It feels very disingenuous.
@ShoujoJo-us3py10 днів тому
At the same time what should they do? Wear formal clothes and do a deep bow?
@DebtSentence8 днів тому
Cmon friend (person they don't know who is on average a random teenager) give us more money so we can make even more profit. UKpostsrs hate para-social relationships until tax season comes around
@L0op10 днів тому
I love how Ryan just looks scared, Shanes face exudes pure "told you so", and Steven is just barely holding on, watching his dream of even more money crumble before him.
@vanlifebae10 днів тому
😂😂😂 this is too accurate
@vanlifebae10 днів тому
Lol this is too accurate
@DocAcher5 днів тому
Yeeeep. Steven is the one who's been pushing for it, I'm sure, and now it's all crashing down on him
@mckrackin532412 днів тому
Their "Goodbye" video basically described their viewership as negligible and inconsequential. Not what I'd call good marketing. Also, I think them talking about their $250K wedding and honeymoon before crying about needing more money was very ill advised.
@rs-mt6kl12 днів тому
Wait who's wedding?👀👀
@chloeapples12 днів тому
@@rs-mt6kli think it’s Shane’s? But also steven just got married so it might be that! But both weddings were insanely expensive (no one needs three dresses for one day XD)
@Chris_Cross12 днів тому
Are those three married to each other?!?
@madsfiedler388412 днів тому
@@Chris_Crossno?
@madsfiedler388412 днів тому
@@chloeapples depends on culture, but at least for modern us weddings a lot of brides have 2 dresses or a changeable dress
@ryckarduhryckarduh18012 днів тому
gotta love the "Im talking from my heart although its clear Im reading a strategically planned speech" vibe
@IvyHale15112 днів тому
An apology made out of obligation isn't sincere.
@aaronstevens532512 днів тому
@@IvyHale151wtf would a sincere apology look like then? people like you really confuse me.
@rajput3600012 днів тому
@@IvyHale151they don’t owe you anything
@evilalan208412 днів тому
@@aaronstevens5325 First off, not doing something scummy like this knowing full well is wrong. Now since it has impacted them negatively they're obligated to apologize. Not because they want to, but because they have to
@divaofthedamned36512 днів тому
@@IvyHale151 All apologies are made out of obligations. You're obligated to apologize to the wronged party for whatever you've done to wrong them. Doesn't matter how you feel about the person, it's what's supposed to be done regardless.
@julesliaa11 днів тому
what ultimately confuses me and I haven't really seen anyone talking about is the cost of creating and managing an entirely new streaming platform, like to operate they need their current staff to dedicate more time to managing it or hiring new staff to solely focus on it or outsourcing to a company. I understand that this way all profits go to them and they don't have to pay an already established streaming platform to host their shows and receive a smaller cut but I honestly don't see how that would cost them more than creating a whole new platform, maybe I'm ill-informed but from the outside I don't get it it would have made more sense and honestly probably been more lucrative and well received if they just had their episodes go up early on their patreon, they would probably get more people signing up and paying more money at different tiers rather than a solid $5.99 from everyone and wouldn't have the added cost of making an entirely new platform
@cademolidor900510 днів тому
it’s funny that wealthy people always conveniently forget that $6 to most of the middle-lower class is a cheeseburger for lunch and that means a lot to some of us. Edit: Also it seems like they mismanage their money and asking for more is not the ethical way to fix that issue.
@robertobarela29311 днів тому
"obviously we weren't sneaky enough in the way we asked for money, but we'll hit the drawing board and make it less obvious"
@jaydelicioso11 днів тому
That’s literally what I understood from this message. And I don’t know how Charlie didn’t touch upon that.
@KillerSkullX11 днів тому
This
@masterchiefofhalo452511 днів тому
Correct!
@codyeaster29011 днів тому
@@jaydelicioso Because Charlies is human and as a human, he is sometimes dumb enough to miss details, important as they are.
@king_supreme110211 днів тому
Oh no, the people providing a service want your money for it. What is this blasphemy?
@williamdixon-gk2sk12 днів тому
It sounds like they got greedy, over-played thier hand, and the public as a whole called their Bluff.
@carsongxd12 днів тому
Yup
@camjacob887612 днів тому
I blame the guy on the left he’s the ceo
@carsongxd12 днів тому
@@camjacob8876 they’re all bad can we just stop acting like one of them is better or worse than the other? Again, they’re all bad.
@chasehorton232412 днів тому
Why are people so butthurt about it though, paramount+, Netflix, Hulu, hbo max all cost money, twitch subs, but they crossed the line by wanting people to pay a monthly subscription for content?
@user-be8oj3fw8v12 днів тому
What if they were genuinely sorry? We get it, you like drama. You like it when someone famous goes under because its a guarantee ego booster. But these guys were sorry and generally cares for their fans.
@cocaineinmyvein12 днів тому
I like how Charlie has been on UKposts so long that he's basically the world's foremost expert on critiquing UKposts Apologies.
@Surannhealz11 днів тому
He is well known for his Cr1TiKaL thinking 😎
@dumpyyummy11 днів тому
@@Surannhealz good one😂👏
@AndrewCreatez11 днів тому
@@Surannhealz👏😑
@dangernugget473111 днів тому
There's actually a channel that analyzes and scores UKpostsr apologies! The creator specializes in psych or something
@hellthehedgehog11 днів тому
There’s a 10+ hour compilation of him reacting to UKpostsr apologies, it’s beautiful
@lunarlullaby0510 днів тому
here's my little piece for the "staying relevant to brands"--i went to their live show in 2023, where we were shown the Montana State Prison ghost files episode. we were then told after the episode that because the UKposts episode was sponsored by a certain advertiser, most of the "inappropriate" content that we had just seen at the show would be cut for the UKposts release--and it was. most of these guys' most memorable moments are them being dumbasses and inappropriate while ghost hunting, namely. if most of their ads are causing them to restrict their content like that one episode did, I understand why they wanted to ditch ads and make their own service--to make the content they and their viewers want.
@averyeml6 днів тому
Out of curiosity, what kind of stuff was cut? Because I can’t imagine what they’d be doing there that’s so not safe for UKposts that it would scare off an advertiser. Unless they’re taking dumps on the floor uncensored or calling the ghosts slurs I can’t think of what would turn off an advertiser when true crime channels and such get sponsors. Especially when I think back to their Buzzfeed stuff- they had a lot more fun but none of it seemed “edgy”
@lunarlullaby056 днів тому
@@averyeml I don't remember the exact bits that were cut because I obviously only saw it once, but I believe one of the jokes and bits that ran through the entire episode was the guys making jokes about Satan's penis. I'm sure there were more, but that's all I remember.
@averyeml6 днів тому
@@lunarlullaby05 gotcha- yeah I get not recalling specific bits but vibes are plenty. I could see that being on the edge depending on the sponsor. I think the guys have some work to do on the back end regarding staff size vs. output but if they can strike a better balance, those advertisers could either be turned down or put up with because they could cut more loose in other videos. I want to see them succeed but I think there’s some bigger issues that they gotta hammer out. I want my ghoul boys back!
@lunarlullaby056 днів тому
@@averyeml I agree. I've been a fan of the guys since s1 of unsolved, so I honestly paid for a sub to their service immediately, but that's only because I'm lucky enough to have a good paying job and not a ton of other things I need to budget for. I put on all of my socials that any of my mutuals could have my password, at least before their apology video. I do think they need to iron out a few more things, but I think the whole thing of them releasing episodes a month earlier than UKposts on their site is a pretty smart move, all things considered.
@underthependulum348410 днів тому
I have to say Watcher handled the situation with a lot of grace. It wasn't a desperate "Please buy our thing", it was a "Oh, we realize some of our supporters might not be able to buy our thing, we're sorry" before promptly changing their tactics for how they went about this new platform.
@DebtSentence8 днів тому
Lmfao there was no mistake, they knew what they were begging for money and attempted to tone it perfectly to avoid criticism. Millionaires begging longtime subscribers to fund their yacht. You think they didn't know?
@Karragh12 днів тому
I still can't get behind "we weren't going to survive, we were going to have to lay off employees and eventually shutter without this pay wall", when they are also expanding by hiring two more, I'm sure expensive, on screen talents.
@semperaugustus66112 днів тому
It seems like it is their own fault. They grew too big too fast and are afraid to make the necessary changes because they don't want to fire anyone. So instead they are making everyone else pay for their mistake.
@Bloodclatburner12 днів тому
@@semperaugustus661 not that they grew too fast, they just want everything to be super high quality when thats not what we care about. We care about the personalities not the set of the shows or the animations. they seen to have this idea that more people equals higher quality which isnt true
@niccolom455612 днів тому
God forbid they want to grow, huh?
@Karragh12 днів тому
@@niccolom4556 You have to have natural growth. If we take them at their word that the company is bleeding money and on the verge of shuttering and costing everyone their jobs it is an incredibly unwise and frankly selfish move to keep expanding rather then tightening things up and keeping your people employed.
@vault_tec_404_412 днів тому
Not only did they hire 2 more on screen talent. They want to bring back the more expensive show of traveling and eating expensive food. Nothing about their announcement said “we need to stay afloat” all it said to me was “I want more”
@bro...12 днів тому
They apologized not because they betrayed their supporters, but got hurt where it counts- financially:(
@itz_me_aziza_2112 днів тому
Crazy how I licked my lips while eating pizza as a twin girl 😘
@bro...12 днів тому
@@itz_me_aziza_21 bruh why under my comment
@TheDamagedKoda12 днів тому
Yeah it's just shady greedy people
@BluCarnage12 днів тому
Ya don't say?
@user-oz4xx5rg9o12 днів тому
how you know that you baldy
@L4mpVibes9 днів тому
unironically one of the best youtuber apologies genuinely sincere and admitted wrongs and actually said what 90% of apologies don't say "I'm sorry" solid 8.7/10 apology
@snufkinsboots722011 днів тому
The way Shane lowkey has that “thank god it didn’t happen” look lmao
@MINETURNNOWRblxGaming12 днів тому
The funniest thing to me is that their patreon already existed at nearly the same price and we already got content early through it. This whole thing could've been avoided if they just upped the patreon price by one dollar, released ad-free content a month early rather than a day early, and advertised it more on their UKposts channel. And Patreon has a comment section so the community would be more engaged and still get to discuss new episodes as they come out.
@chrispalumbo555612 днів тому
True, but through their own website they wouldn't have to share a cut of the money with Patreon
@Freexnme12 днів тому
@@chrispalumbo5556 WatcherTV is on Vimeo, which costs $1 per subscriber.
@pazz12 днів тому
Yeah, but that way they wouldn't get BOTH income streams.
@MenacingWhims12 днів тому
@@chrispalumbo5556 it wasn't their own website. They are paying vimeo. So still giving up a percentage of revenue
@janelbbuck12 днів тому
Buuut moooom, daaaad they want their own site 👶. Jokes aside, I get they really wanna own their media to the *bone.* But they really don’t NEED too yet. And honestly they can’t yet, the audience doesn’t want that.
@alleycat229712 днів тому
Steven recites his lines like he’s squinting while trying to read off of a Wendy’s menu
@LeMenace112 днів тому
He took most of the flak for the decision from an audience he probably thought supported him just as much as the other two. The thing is most people didn’t want to blame Shane or Ryan which is probably why.
@comedyimpossible12 днів тому
He felt like he was reciting an official PR statement more than the other two
@cptnjody712 днів тому
@@LeMenace1this, but also, he was the one who said “anyone can afford it.” even if they came up with that together, steven said it, which probably allowed people to find a scapegoat to not hate on ryan or shane.
@xrgarcia1012 днів тому
@@cptnjody7and he is also the one that ends up buying 10k lobster for his show. Sorry, he wanted us to pay for his 10k lobster 😂
@aritrasaha44112 днів тому
Most people just accept steven as a part of watcher. Most people are not fans of his work clouding thier channel@@LeMenace1
@kindacringe718910 днів тому
Ima be honest, I don’t think I’ve EVER seen an apology THIS strong! They did pretty good
@sarahcz20210 днів тому
Their live show made me not trust them at all, it was called Ghost Files Live so we assumed they would research the city they are in and have a little script about the ghost stories of that area and Ryan would read it while Shane joked about, their classic setup. Instead they just.....played a 40 minute youtube video of an episode of ghost files. They did a Q&A after but probably 1/5th of the audience left before that. It was really disappointing.
@kumikooo29 днів тому
Wow, that is SO disappointing
@lildishwasher12 днів тому
Just sat down to eat, literal God timing
@itz_me_aziza_2112 днів тому
Crazy how I licked my lips while eating pizza as a twin girl 😘
@7evenproductions27112 днів тому
DUUUUDE SAME what are you having?
@user-bj3oq3jo6b12 днів тому
Same
@Sirdilophosaurusthethird2.012 днів тому
@@itz_me_aziza_21 nerd
@TLTProds12 днів тому
@@itz_me_aziza_21bro what
@ARTSONICFAN99012 днів тому
Watcher: *Adds a Paywall to their UKposts channel.* EA: Look what their doing to imitate a fraction of our power.
Didn't ask. My content is far superior and has more value than anything this youtuber has ever produced so get over it!
@itz_me_aziza_2112 днів тому
Crazy how I licked my lips while eating pizza as a twin girl 😘
@kesterlimpo485412 днів тому
Think!
@geneticallyengineeredcatgirl12 днів тому
I cried alot as a kid because I couldn't use any of my game codes again from the games I bought physically. Literally didn't get to play them just found out I needed a new SD card after installing them then EA NEVER let me use my expensive ass games again.
@robinnicole446610 днів тому
I always missed the unsolved mystery episodes I didn't even know they had their own channel 😂
@aowowoiae9 днів тому
"For free" really pisses me off, it's not free because we are watching ads/brand deals/paying for premium. No one is doing anyone a favor or providing anything for free if it's on UKposts
@lunawenko932412 днів тому
they made a severe and continuous lapse in their judgement
@Noah7382712 днів тому
They do not expect to be forgiven.
@Ilovedallthepeople12 днів тому
Thankfully it was a one time kind of thing and they fixed it in like two days lol
@justingary532212 днів тому
Exactly they APOLOGIZED for SCHMONEY 🤑💰
@Anomandaris12 днів тому
nice
@vampqueen18212 днів тому
lollll omg whose apology video is this from
@legitdetective559412 днів тому
I'm sorry, but the whole situation felt like a fever dream. I mean, Shane "eat the rich" Madej making a UKposts apology over such a topic? Yeah, never in a million years did I see this coming as a long time viewer since Buzzfeed Unsolved
@billbill609412 днів тому
And the rich was sitting on the left.
@fangsbrokenrose12 днів тому
It’s eat the rich until you’re rich apparently 🫠
@Carmn0712 днів тому
@@fangsbrokenrosesaltburn effect
@the_real_cookiez12 днів тому
Buzzfeed people doing Buzzfeed things LMAO
@CantTellYou12 днів тому
14:24 Shane’s expression says a lot 😂 Like someone else said, I imagine he & maybe Ryan had a few “told ya so Stevens” yelled out after
@Uncagedpaul8611 днів тому
its like when your neighbor youve known for years suddenly sets a password for the wifi
@SailorOrbiter10 днів тому
As someone who is almost finished with their Business Management degree, one of the first things I was taught was to always have an Exit Strategy if you plan on being a business owner. I would ask what they were thinking the whole time they were doing this, but it's now clear they didn't have a sustainable long-term plan.
@DannyBoo24212 днів тому
I love how they out Shane in the middle because they know we trusted him the most
@ruralmetalhead12 днів тому
His wife's opinions on the matter actually made me trust him less, tbh. I don't think he was as uninvolved as people seem to think.
@iiastridii12 днів тому
@@ruralmetalhead omg what opinions? 👀
@RyuKyu.7712 днів тому
@@ruralmetalheadmf spill, don't just leave us looking for her Twitter
@rs-mt6kl12 днів тому
Yooo tea?? So people still say that?? Either way I want it @@ruralmetalhead
@ruralmetalhead12 днів тому
@@RyuKyu.77 She had a little pretentious guilt trip moment on her tumblr implying people who didn't want to pay for WatcherTV didn't want to pay workers livable wages or something along those lines. The funny part about it is, her and Shane's wedding was apparently in the $250,000 range, and she wore THREE DIFFERENT wedding dresses. In one day. So her post comes of VERY out-of-touch and preachy.
@loulagman12 днів тому
What gave me the biggest ick was the moral attachment of people’s finances and fair wages (see Sarah’s post). Why is it on the audience to pay fair wages to the employees? Meanwhile Steven drives a Tesla (mentioned in a Watcher podcast), flies out to Korea to eat good food, and let’s not forget how expensive many Dish Granted episodes. Yes, lay-offs suck, but if pay equity is such a priority (as it should), then why add 2 more employees for a new fancy show? Why expand so quickly if it can’t be done sustainably? Another thing of note is that some of the most viewed content seemed not as costly to produce, literally done in a backyard or virtually (Too Many Spirits and Are You Scared?). I was a die-hard Buzzfeed Unsolved fan in my broke college days, and was a die-hard Watcher fan until that goodbye announcement. It honestly feels weird to continue supporting them knowing that their finances are likely being mismanaged to the point of fair wages being at risk
@livi905212 днів тому
They literally discussed tips on pod watcher a while ago and were agreeing that it shouldn’t be the consumers job to pay servers livable wages. Ironic
@Splat-2512 днів тому
Completely agree. Someone nailed it on their video. Steven is money hungry. Ryan is fame and growth hungry and Shane went along with it because he had no choice.
@livi905212 днів тому
@@Splat-25 see I want to believe shane was against it but like…. Why would his wife make that post then :/
@stolenrelic12 днів тому
@@livi9052It's possible his wife drank the corporate growth kool aid more than he did. She's a highly influential and highly paid member of that company, too. But it's truly impossible to know anything for sure.
@Dimsrose12 днів тому
They literally didn't read the room at all. This doesn't sound like a problem that they need to throw more money at. It sounds like a problem with controlling their money outflow.
@11Fl0oW1111 днів тому
Thanks for clarifying that was a Futurama reference, was about to subscribe right there.
@emily128011 днів тому
Their apology feels so corporate and structured to me. Like their voices felt monotone? Also, you’re almost at 15m🎉🎉
@Slowbo9 днів тому
i know exactly what you mean, i was getting that feeling as well especially when steven would talk
@nohbuddy18 днів тому
It 100% was corporate PR researched apology
@TheOneAndOnlyD-O-Double-G12 днів тому
"My bad bro, can we have your money now?"
@sarahm367412 днів тому
pretty much
@carsongxd12 днів тому
“Did we do good? Money, please?”
@malhare650112 днів тому
It's so pathetic that people are actually buying it lol
@Prince-pk4fi12 днів тому
Be honest though, how could they have improved their apology even further? They apologized sincerely, took accountability, and directly fixed pretty much the main issue people had with their move while still trying to save face financially. Are they just irredeemable to yall?
@leafio419012 днів тому
@@Prince-pk4fiI think if they just didn’t claim that they were running out of money it would be way better
@IanSmith281412 днів тому
Saying they would have to lay people off or shut down seems like a real shady tactic. Trying to make the audience feel bad for questioning them.
@Blaquebarbgamer12 днів тому
Shiiii all of us are struggling, I was like join the club.
@billbill609412 днів тому
Or it could just be the truth, if you go into every situation thinking an explanation is just a sympathy garnering tactic then the whole world will seem like a bunch of manipulative cunts.
@princesssookeh12 днів тому
Good thing it doesn't seem to be working. Most are accepting of the apology but still are asking how the hell they allegedly ended up in such bad shape.
@midgematic865912 днів тому
Honestly Im completely turned off by Watcher now, the facade is broken with this sht and that language has caused me to just see these three dudes as greedy corporate faces now. Any of their business problems are completely on them as a business, if they dont make content that the public enjoys or watches, thats on THEM to produce content thats viable. And that wasn’t even a problem with their channel; people genuinely enjoy them! But their poor ass business decisions and “tv quality” obsession with videos lead them t9 this point. If they want to do tv, they should put their asses into hollywood, except they won’t because they’d be at the bottom all over again and they already have a large yt audience. As we have seen throughout the years, youtube IS NOT television programming. I’m sorry for being so fired up about stupid drama, but I’m actually disgusted with these guys. I used to love watching them; but they’ve became what they were running from. Just Buzzfeed but in different font.
@michaelka307112 днів тому
its a common reason believe it or not, bad stuff comes out when something goes wrong and clearly they needed to give a reasonable reason on what they did, its not only for people to feel "bad" for them its also to assure people that they made a mistake due to this "reason" that they gave, if they gave a reason that isnt acceptable they would dig a deeper hole on what they already dug it would be a dumber decision up top a dumb decision. so if you made a dumb decision in the future and dont want to look even dumber dont halfass your reasons
@FrattFTW12 днів тому
I can't imagine Ryan and Shane's "Ghost Files", "Puppet History" or "Are you Scared?" really costs that much to make. It's 100% Steven's luxurious spending that brought them in this position in the first place.
@realribar499912 днів тому
This!
@Juliana-Bub12 днів тому
Ghost Files and anything else that requires travel is insanely expensive to produce.
@generalgreevus877312 днів тому
Of the ventures that would cost a lot more to produce would be Ghost Files if they are traveling around the country and having to bring camera crews along, equipment, rent hotels, buying food, etc, BUT just like Charlie said they make a really good chunk of change through patreon, ads, and merch They should have plenty to cover the costs of Ghost Files. It seems like they need to have an actual accountant or something along the lines to help them budget their money if they are that hurting for cash.
@spikejonzelover42012 днів тому
I don’t even fuck with Steven at all idk why he’s involved in watcher
@ItsMeBarnaby12 днів тому
They have 25 people on staff. 25! I don't know how they can justify that with the content they make.
@fernious10 днів тому
to be honest, I was SO surprised by their decision, I've been following this group since their BuzzFeed days, this really felt out of nowhere... I am glad that as genuine people they replied to their community the right way. They've always been relatable about financial situations, about their dreams and goals creatively, etc. So I don't know if possibly someone hyped them up a LOT blinding them with that excitement.
@cruick3210 днів тому
They're not struggling at all, it is called greed plain & simple.
@Art_trash_girl12 днів тому
I agree with Charlie in that I appreciate the apology, but it still doesn’t land for me. Shane sounded genuine, Ryan sounded scared, and Steven sounded about as empathetic as an HR manager explaining why you don’t qualify for unemployment after being laid off. Thanks for the “sorry” boys, but you already showed your hand.
@HeyItsmeImAlex12 днів тому
Same, they lost me and I followed them since the beginning of their buzzfeed days. They’re doing crisis management now after all the drama.
@madsfiedler388412 днів тому
shane means it, and was probably expecting this response. if ryan was scared, its probably because it seems like that was part of his Big Dream(tm) and hes seeing that it isnt able to happen the way he thought it was. steven literally does not give a shit, hes always been in it for the money imo.
@ohapplesauce12 днів тому
@@HeyItsmeImAlex I’m so conflicted about it 😕 Now whenever their videos auto play on my feed I just can’t watch them.
@Jess-lw1qv12 днів тому
@@madsfiedler3884 same feelings I got from the video. It’s so clear who cares and who doesn’t.
@carsongxd12 днів тому
@@ohapplesaucegood, don’t support them. Any employees laid off will surely find a new job and they needn’t be spending their *apparent* low revenue on hundreds of thousands of dollars on weddings.
@honeyedboba12 днів тому
They are treating their fans the way restaurants treat patrons. Its OUR responsibility to pay the employees enough to survive, not theirs. Its bullshit
@KillerSkullX11 днів тому
This
@mrebear975811 днів тому
Only in America buddy
@thebeastbrothers10311 днів тому
@@mrebear9758move to China
@p1xelz32311 днів тому
Well we as viewers ARE responsible for paying ALL youtubers. If we dont watch they lose money.
@msmoco589811 днів тому
@@thebeastbrothers103Why China?
@JUSTGOWITHTHEOREO10 днів тому
bro i know this is an unpopular opinion, but they had no idea how the public would respond when they announced the paywall and they heard the feedback and catered to it positively…. all is forgiven as far as i go
@dadscold9 днів тому
that's bullshit. anyone with half a brain can understand that suddenly putting your content behind a paywall when it's otherwise been free for like 6+ years is obviously not going to go over well
@kylecrooks32019 днів тому
You hit the nail on the head when you speculated about “some kind of weird mismanagement behind the scenes.”
@CJ-ht4rf12 днів тому
And now we wait for the video where they find out Steven has been embezzling money
@danner25312 днів тому
Maybe if his stupid show was cancelled they could run. I like Ryan and Shane but I can't fucking stand him and his shallow show.
@soapa427912 днів тому
Coffeezilla: *Breathes heavily*
@cic300012 днів тому
steven has gotta go if shane and Ryan are going to have a chance
@HEARTS4GARNET12 днів тому
I've never seen a money hungry and overall shitty steven in my LIFE😭
@mrsurge478912 днів тому
I legit joked about this possibility to myself earlier but I genuinely would not be surprised. The guy makes all the financial decisions apparently and he’s the CEO who gets the final say. This whole idea has his name written all over it
@kaelanniblett246012 днів тому
I'm so glad charlie brought up the fact that their content is super brand friendly, cuz that's like the first thing I thought when they were explaining their original decision. They're former buzzfeed employees, their content is pretty much as brand-friendly as you can get. So to act like getting brand deals was an issue hasn't made sense to me
@zythe69akaru11 днів тому
I could see maybe if they wanted to include more drunk content (idk UKposts's stance on that) or swear more, but yeah, most of their content is perfectly fine for advertisers...
@msthecommentator286311 днів тому
Exactly, it's not like Dropout where they're drawing dongs every other episode and swearing like sailors. There's a need for an independent platform for content that YT will flag, but that never felt like the case for this group.
@Blackjack131711 днів тому
That's what I thought. I guess you could call some of their topics not suitable for kids and their language isn't clean either, but over all, what's the problem. Or rather, what kind of content did they plan for the future, that couldn't be put on UKposts? What are they planning that could risk their "brand-saveness"?
@Gabriellaella2311 днів тому
@@msthecommentator2863 but I have to disagree. They do swear quite often and a lot of the stuff and jokes they make can be “inappropriate” for a younger audience. Especially when doing their true crime content their jokes can get pretty graphic . I am not sure where the family friend/clean comments are coming from. They also have a show where they try to get extremely drunk and often talk about Ryan being a stoner. Maybe they wanted to make more mature content where they don’t have to beat around the bush about things and watch what they speak about. Maybe have a stoner version or too many spirits without getting demonetized or having trouble finding a sponsor. I’m not saying they made the right decision with making their own platform, but saying their content is “clean/family friendly” is not completely true.
@mcholy33311 днів тому
It's also like.. completely possible to reach out to companies.
@freak150110 днів тому
Honestly, this is by far the best UKposts apology I’ve ever seen and they handled it so great and they now did it the best compromise they could have come up with, my subscription is now safely secured
@ender__games598311 днів тому
if there is every a tierlist for youtube apologies this one has to be S TIER
@McCheeseincakes12 днів тому
Here's what Shane Madej's wife said about this issue over on her Tumblr: "I get people don't like to pay for things that were once free, but paying people fairly and making a survivable living while making cool things is HARD." - Sara Rubin I'm sorry but If you're already having trouble sustaining the money that's coming in from this project then that's an issue in your camp. There's people working two separate 40 hour a week jobs barely making a "survivable living", It just sounds like they are living above their means.
@M4jorToM2312 днів тому
This is the same woman who in the post DIRECTLY BEFORE THIS ONE, showcased that she bought a $115 Tote Bag. Oh, and spent an estimated $55k on the wedding. But sure, pop off about "survivable" wages
@Malphas38th12 днів тому
And also why are WE supposed to giving them the paycheck? Shouldn’t that be the company or UKposts? She’s pointing her finger in the wrong direction
@CoRLex-jh5vx12 днів тому
@@M4jorToM23more than 55k. 55k was the venue alone
@caleighhraee12 днів тому
Exactly. I saw a video recently of this girl talking about how her and her husband live on one source of income and her first advice was “don’t buy a new car, get a used one” like yeah as if all of us poors have luxury new Lexus 😂 if they live in California they are definitely living above their means and they feel entitled to it. Girls don’t NEED to get their hair colored and cut by an expensive hair dresser. They don’t need to get their nails done. They don’t need to wear the newest clothes or have expensive handbags. I bring a $30 backpack to work everyday, and I bought it 4 years ago. I don’t eat lunch to save money dawg 😂 sometimes I just drink water to feel full lmao
@Drip-Soup37311 днів тому
@@caleighhraeeachieve inner piece and you could survive on nothing but a single drop of dew for a few years. Just like the dragon warrior.
@kendallwest570512 днів тому
As somebody who loved watcher before this happened, I just can’t go back and support them the same way that I used to. The mindset the main characters (Ryan and Shane) have had in the past was the “eat the rich” mentality and then for them to turn around and go “yeah we need more money so we can travel and eat expensive food.” It just left a sour taste that the apology didn’t take out.
@Matt-bp5vy12 днів тому
It's always like this. There's a reason why every single time humanity tried communism it ended with a tragedy
@abdulsabri655112 днів тому
I'm pretty sure, though I might be wrong, but didn't Shane and Ryan step down from CEO, so it would just be Steven.
@mrrockets3212 днів тому
You mean to pay employees not vacations
@Podcast-Clipz32412 днів тому
@@mrrockets32they don’t need more money to pay their employees especially since they’re easily supported by ads
@timc666911 днів тому
Not that big a deal in my opinion, they just made an ill informed decision, didn't hurt anyone, didn't affect anyone, no harm done. Just a stupid mistake.
@TherealHoffypoffy9 днів тому
I think they didn’t put enough thought into the fact that a big part of their audience is international. For example, 6 dollars for them actually are R$30,00 in my country. Second thing is, most people aren’t going to pay for something they had free access to since the beginning
@stohelit579 днів тому
I'm in the U.S. but this was one of my first thoughts as well. The whole "anyone and everyone can afford" was completely out of touch. It shows ignorance of not only the current cost of living crisis in their own country of residence, but a complete lack of any consideration for their international fans. If Lim is flying all over the world to try expensive food how are they so willfully ignorant of the implications of $6 elsewhere? It's elitist and maddening and I'm not resubscribing.
@reemyfairy0910 днів тому
They are one of my favorites. Watcher, unsolved mysteries are a must watch for me. Shane and Ryan chemistry together is so great . Am so glad they addressed our concerns and apologized it’s very rare to have influencers/famous figures acknowledge their mistake nowadays . I appreciate them and am happy they fixed it all..
@michaelmcclain636912 днів тому
Wealth literally rots people's brains. These guys are falling for the same stupid thought process as most greedy business owners: the idea of unlimited growth. They're already making an insane amount of money and yet it's still not enough for them. They could all quit now and never have to work a day in their lives but they're so addicted to capital gains they'll never be satisfied. They're chasing the dragon
@nilexxx12 днів тому
totally agree
@HappyDragneels_page12 днів тому
not to mention im pretty sure all these guys live in LA which just accelerates the wealth brain rot
@drunkenhobo503912 днів тому
Line goes up!
@PossibleBat12 днів тому
Im so glad I’ve always despised money. I get the amount I need and nothing more. I have no desire to accumulate wealth. I want to live a happy life, not a rich one.
@ThorAxeleon12 днів тому
@@PossibleBatFacts, preach!
@ohhello93712 днів тому
There has to be mis-management of funds. They mentioned they hire freelance people when going on location. Why? You have 25 employees. What are they doing and why aren't they going to help shoot? They frequently just post 1 video a week but they have 25 people. Where is all the content? As a viewer I've wondered this for a while. One of their wives complained on her Tumblr that they just wanted a "survivable" wage like they can't eat or something AFTER posting about a luxury $125 purse she bought.
@kirkhendsbee219211 днів тому
I think we can assume the freelancers are locals to the shooting locations, and therefore WatcherE saves money on flights and accommodations they'd otherwise have to pay for their LA staff. Really, the only people travelling should be the hosts and possibly the producer. Why we need all of this travel is the real question. The travel episodes of Unsolved and True Crime were always my least favorite.
@petiteange0811 днів тому
Like @@kirkhendsbee2192 mentioned above, I think they are saving money by hiring local freelancers, therefore no flights/food/accommodations. However, this means that they likely don't need a staff of 25 employees. Just hire locals when going on location, and most of their shows when staying in LA don't need 25 people to produce from what I see in the comment sections. For the few times when they do need more staff, they can just hire ad hoc. They can also move base to lower the production cost if a living wage is their concern.
@HH-le1vi11 днів тому
I've never seen a luxury purse sell for that cheap.
@ohhello93711 днів тому
@@HH-le1vi Maybe she got it cheap who knows? Spending $125 or more on a purse isn't the normal for a lot of people.
@BigSuzpekt11 днів тому
I don't get why a youtube company need that many employees, especially when they aren't releasing a lot of videos a week. I think they could survive on half the amount of employees. I think they are trying to run their youtube channel like it's a big filming company where they have one employee doing one thing for each role that is required when filming instead of condensing roles and having an employee do more than one job. I wouldn't be surprised if they are running in the negatives and not making money. 25 employees is a big payroll in the books for a youtube channel their size. But their way of going about things just backfired and this might be the beginning of the end for their youtube channel unless they make drastic cuts to free funds. But yeah you're right, i think they are not using their funds properly.
@tylerprince99410 днів тому
They hired way too many people from Buzzfeed and can't afford to pay them all imo
@hydrogen32668 днів тому
They’re based in LA too, a notoriously expensive place to live and run a business