Well reason you get crap performance is a VM can only see 4 of the GPU clusters per VM. To expose more to a VM you must buy NVidia VGPU licenses. Run into it often with GRID and ESRI.

@@thepoliticalstartrek Did I miss something in the video stating that they were using a VM?

Interesting

Don't lie to us claiming it's "not worth it" to take it apart. Spending $4000 on a card is nothing to you. You'll make it back and then some with this video alone.

Can you do AI related work on it?

true KEK

stonks

ah yes a 3090 at that price must be broken or a scam. GT 1030 for the win

Lmao?

i wouldnt even sell my prized GT710 from my "Fast Fortnite Gaming Pc" from ebay

@SuperWhisk while annoying the shit out of Linus for the viewers. They're the fan-insert characters.

@@Jared-e Jake used to be pretty bad in front of the camera back when Linus was constantly getting irritated with him. Looks like Linus mellowed out with him though.

@@Jared-e I don't really remember linus ever having a problem with him but the comments *hated* him, I think he was like 19 when he joined

Guess that makes the AR15 make a whole lot more sense, since ArmaLite was apart of Fairchild Aerospace!

thats just any sort of machine work really haha, lathes, mills etc

@@MEMUNDOLOL I think his point is that they could have used cast or stamped aluminum instead of milled.

@@gregorycosteas3539 Milled is always better than cast or stamped. edit: From a quality build stand point.

@@noahbuzelli4245 why?, the piece of aluminium you're milling itself is cast

Ah this makes a lot of sense. Essentially creating a uniform flow distribution for the heated air?

Aka creates something closer to laminar flow

I read everything you wrote Nathan, and I realized I agreed for one reason: I didn't know what the actual fuck you were talking about, but it sounded so good, I had to believe it. 💪

This is how politicians work

@@em4392 dumb

That's what happens when you're waiting for the bus and you get a call telling you to do it "faster"

This reminded me of: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/p4qDf6WxeLCLzo0.html

@@frecio231 **waits for the bus faster**

OoOool

Its funny because if you know how computer works this can be true

That's how I feel whenever browsing neweggs or ebay

Ah yes, the """"""""shortage"""""""""

@@romanlinnik7441 what do you mean "shortage"

Worldwide everything shortage tbh

Hey indy, feel lucky to say nvidia made this prod cause chips have some bad things if used other things? That crypto-thing eats crazy amount energy, but hey old bank system eat more ;)

😭

it's not helping. they just have more gpus to buy now

Ok, ask yourself this, why would they buy a card that takes longer to pay itself off? It literally doesn't improve anything for anybody, not even miners as there's no resale value there.

I just want crypto to fail already so we can get 1080s

These cards have shit resale value

Glad we aren't wasting aluminum (aluminum alloy) on this. Fun fact we are facing a magnesium shortage which will affect aluminum alloy production... Which gets used in Many products including cars. So yes...

Just take it off and sell the aluminium, then stick the cards in the same chasis... open to the air with forced induction will cool them better and you will get a fair bit for the metal you scrap.

@@robertt9342 magnesium shortage? lol just strip mine using a fortune III and eff V diamond pick, mining isnt that hard

It's a big heat sink - maybe not very effective due to placement

Linus is right too. Looks like it was a solid thick piece of aluminum and they just milled 90% of it away. Oof.

Probably because it is out of stock

@@AirNeat stonkx

LooOool

Probably because he's actually going to use it for mining afterwards

because he didnt pay out of pocket for it XD

Of course, he's Linus

how else would he make it into a video on a gaming channel? nothing special just common sense.

But they never did. - The end.

I know this is an old comment but I always wondered this. Even if they just did a 5 hour validation test on each card they manufacture just to make sure it will preform to it specs... that is a lot of hashpower... lol

its probably more profitable to design and sell the tools to the rubes than waste time and pr to mine themselves.

@@archieames1968 wrong

@@archieames1968 in a gold rush don't mine gold, just sell the shovels

@@Filipex13 exactly, the only surefire way of making a profit in a gold rush is to sell the shovels

Could be, but Blender not responding is a hint it probably crashed and would never render. In my experience the BMW test also does not take more than 1-2mins of compilation. Edit: Maybe im wrong, my experience is without OptiX and only with OpenCL / older CUDA

@@somestarwarsnerd9068 ..Blender not responding is as much a hint as it simply not responding for several other reasons outside the specific GPU... How many of us* have had to revert to an auto-save after a lock up or crash & it wasn't due to hardware issues to start with? Lol.. No matter how 'simple' or complex a given scene is, there's always the unexpected. Furthermore, if due to instability- you do the same thing again and again and prove it IS the card; or something related to it (to help give your comment a sense of merit). But that wasn't the case now, was it?.. /shrug Edit: "*" typo

They did! Check the pinned comment for benchmarks

The OptiX render kernel isnt precompiled in blender and always takes time in new scenes. CUDA on the other hand comes precompiled with blender so there isnt any kernel compilation happening anymore. This is why alot of times CUDA will be faster on big single frame scenes that uses nearly all Cycles features, its already done when OptiX is still compiling. When it comes to rendering out big animations OptiX will get the throne. But yeah this is why in my opinion these OptiX vs CUDA tests in blender are crap because they dont show the complete picture

@@somestarwarsnerd9068 No not at all. Blender is mostly single threaded and is poorly coded in python. Everything runs on one thread including the user interface. Most programs use at least 2. One should be reserved solely for the user interface. That way when you run tasks on the other thread it doesn’t freeze the interface. Even when blender uses more than one thread it still likes to run stuff on the user interface thread. So when doing any operation it freezes. This is because when operating on a single thread code most run in order. So The user interface cannot update until the other code runs. Windows considers programs with unresponsive interfaces to be unresponsive even if it’s just because they are running long code in the UI thread. When modeling in blender applying modifiers or moving objects or editing them in anyway way really can cause blender to become unresponsive but it almost always finishes whatever code it is running and comes back. The exception to this would be if it runs into an error and gets stuck in an infinite loop. Then it stays frozen forever and there is no way to cancel it. This is a common issue with modifiers because they use algorithms which do not always work on the object but blender isn’t smart enough to figure that out so it just keeps retrying. It has a lot of work left to do and certainly is not an ideal program to be using for these kinds of test. Blender is by far the best 3D modeling software and for the best software for physics, animation, and many other things too. It is free to yet still significantly better than stuff that coats you to pay several thousand dollars a year. It shameful for it to cost that much in the first place but subscription based model on top of that really is bullshit. People should own the stuff they buy especially when it’s that expensive. It doesn’t even cost them anything it’s 100 percent profit. They spend a small amount developing the software after the first few customers all the expenses are paid for but the price never drops. And the super cheap support that you may need to use once every few years for a few seconds doesn’t justify it either. The initial cost can easily cover that. Blender while open source still has a foundation with paid employees which has much more expensive and educated employees and much more of them. The research and programming that they put into it goes above and beyond anything any of the companies do yet they do it with a very small fraction of the money that they only get from donations. Things like autodesk and maya may have 50 developers at the most. Autodesk doesn’t even make most of its own software. They buy successful software. Then they make it free to bankrupt any competition out of business. Once the competition is gone they take away the free version and sell it at an extreme cost or at least limit the free version to the point where it is unusable. Almost none of their software is original and not purchased from another company. These companies also have a very small market share. If you take the publicly available revenue for these companies and only look at the small portion of it that they get from their software than divide that by the insane cost you find out that the number of copies they are selling is actually incredibly small. They just want you to think everyone is using it. The only way they stay a float is by making partnerships with universities and collages to teach people to use their software for free so that once they go out into the work force that is what they use. They also makes exclusivity deals with big companies and get them using their software. And once a company is already using a software and the people coming out of school are too it means it would take a huge up front investment of time and money to switch to blender or another alternative even if they would more than make the money back in the long term they don’t want to make the risk and may not have the cash flow to do so. These companies and their software really are unethical predatory crap that isn’t even as good as free alternatives that they didn’t even make or contribute much to. They just steal the ideas of others. Blender however is only better when it comes to capabilities and features. When it comes to performance with large scenes it is still behind. Plus because it has so many features they are often buried in menus and with complicated keyboard shortcuts and they like to change where everything is each update making it a real pain. You can do a lot more with blender but expect it to be super slow and unresponsive while doing it. It doesn’t even matter if you have a super computer because it can easily saturate that too. The only real fix is to recode blender from the ground up because it’s issues are so deeply rooted. They have almost completely redone it a few times and have made big improvements but it’s got a ways to go. They plan on fixing a lot though in the next major update then maybe it will finally make its way into the big companies and snuff out the other crap.

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LMFAO!

@@sinuslebastian6366 just here to see this comment blow up

Lol I read this as they said it 😂

"What? You're stripping already?!" "Is it gonna come out?" "I just touched...all over it." "Oh wow! Oh gosh! Oh gosh! Oh...gentle! Oh gosh!"

here before it blows up

technical term is "hug of death"

2 hours later still down.

no no. the database DROPed ill see myself out

Lol that’s what I use

It's simply a matter of binning. Whoever said binning is not a thing anymore is an idiot. These card's silicone wouldn't be suitable for a gaming environment, but for more focused one, like crypto mining, they are more than enough. It's a great way to use everything and also finally stop the gaming cards shortage.

I would agree. What are we missing?

@@southwestaudiovisual5069 I think he means so they have a more clear and precise explanation vs endless theorization

A part of the entertainment is watching enthusiasts working out what this stuff is. If I wanted to watch a video of someone explaining a product, I would just subscribe to companies

@@JoshuaValentine26 This echoes my sentiments.

Experts probably have NDAs signed if they are in a position where they don't have to speculate.

*days

@@justiceplethora2682 hours*

Shit, before it was released you’d probably see it listed for $10,000

You ever try to take out a mortgage on a graphics card?

Well the aluminium block is quite expensive. :D

Cool. I was thinking maybe it was for added durability (for some reason) so there would be no chance of breaking the solder connections to the board.

@Bat Barfalamule ah, I see you don't use linux or macos. AMD are the best option on any platform that isn't windows.

@Bat Barfalamule huh, I don't have too many issues running my desktop PC with a 5700XT and tesla K80 at the same time. Maybe i'm just lucky. (Dual booting, using *nix more often)

@Bat Barfalamule clueless lol

@Bat Barfalamule Stop talking like that you scaring the kids lol. Btw Nvidia users like me experience the same pain you saw on this video but with REGULAR GPUs on Linux! 😂 That's what the OP of this comment just meant. Nvidia is the REAL PAIN for any other platform than Windows.

@Bat Barfalamule Literally plug and play and modern driver interface unlike nvidia.

lmao

@@H.A.L9000 I taught you were replying to your own comment for a moment there

But it doesn't need a milled backplate. Just a bend sheetmetal or plastic part would function the same.

@@Jehty21 plastic injection molding requires tooling, sheet metal stamps also would require tooling.

yeah i thought the same thing when i saw the hand soldered supplemental power connector. obviously arent being sold in high volume

My guess is that it is an extruded profile that they mill down for clearance. It's kind of hard to tell from the pictures though.

@@Finder245 my thoughts as well

^ this needs more upvotes

Regarding the soldered connector: soldering those couple of wires is likely much cheaper than using a larger PCB just to bring the connector out further. It is also less likely to fail than a directly soldered connector and it does not bend the PCB. All around, not a bad design.

I know next to nothing about manufacturing or tech and was thinking many of the same things. Why incur "conventional" costs for an unconventional product...

100% for you

The heat sink is clearly designed to have some thermal mass to stabilize long term temperature fluctuations and cooling requirements when running these at scale at 100% uptime.

what I was thinking is the airflow straighteners you see on some fans, but that'd be the same idea

Some GitLab projects then i guess that uses CUDA or Tensor cores for calculations and stuff.. ?

but the mining cards only having 8GB of HBM2 really limits their usability in compute workloads. Pcie 1.1x16 does not help either :P

A100 has floating computations + INT computations processors Maybe this mining card has only INT computations and zero floating point computations processors

@@Haskellerz I doubt it. I do some work on deep learning. It would be interesting to test. There’s some simple ways using Tensorflow to test for speed up. It’s down to if the tensor cores are still active.

@@davidedwards7172 wouldn't bother. 8G memory is too big of a limit for it to be useful.

@@jfolz not gonna argue with you there, there are some CUDA tricks around that. If the card sold for a lot less it might be worth it. Especially with the PCIE 1 link, it would be really slow. It would be fun to do a deep dive and see what functions are still left alive on the chip.

Would nvlink work?

Yeah

Yeah

I guess it's still a car engine, even if it's not being used to power horseless carriages.

@@technicalfool Generator. Stationary engine. Marine engine. :P

"movilization" and "automovile" bruh

Marbelous conclusion.

@@bigboi9856 in some languages, "mobile" variations have a V, in example "automobile" in portuguese would be "automóvel"

Context?

@@theoriginals9821 to my knowledge, etherium doesn’t require mining anymore so that card is relatively worthless. Look up “proof of stake” “Fine milk” would have made sense too

You are talking to guy that bricked GUI from installing Steam by not reading things.

@@thischannelisforcommenting5680 lmao true

@@thischannelisforcommenting5680 and then blamed linux

I think apple is trying to do the same with the new MacBook Pros.

yes, that is the whole point why RISC architectures like ARM exist in the first place. the problem is that you lose all other functionality. sometimes it is better to have 100% at one thing, other times it is better to have 60% at all the things. it's a trade-off

@@robertlinke2666 yeup. Can only use two cards

FPGA adaptive accelerators are the future, the hardware can be “re-programmed” to adapt to your workload and improve performance tremendously.

so it won’t

I almost thought that I was going to be able to score a cheep A100 until I heard about the 8GB memory :(

Yeah 8GB. Makes no sense. You cant train anything for that except for very small networks. I mean this is why you can get the clusters of A100. I personally had problems with the AWS EC2-P4d instances on big models. And they have up to 8 A100.

That's the point. They also don't want people buying 5k mining cards for deep learning instead of the 10k+ ones...

Nah, memory chips use like 1w of power. It's all core when it comes to power usage.

Seems very probable these days.

Alex, what are diamonds?

well im imagining how a product that came to the market sold out instantly.. thats like dropping something from your hand towards the floor but it never hits the floor, it just disappeared :p

Cryptomining

@@emanu1674 yeah dont expect kids to understand its a mining card so they stop complaining about shortages and over pricing from us terrible miners hogging

Designer: [dies]

@@lioscar80 yes, he would die after his head being blown off well done

These kind of gpu’s do require a cpu with built in graphics like one of AMD’s apu’s

Linus looked a bit upset just at that moment. The pressure of breaking a $5k card might have blocked his understanding of humor right then.😄

its not stealing lol.

@@finkyfamboni4333 You are correct. Mining is not stealing, it is a war crime

@@1000_Gibibit innit I legit was going to build my pc last year for around 1.8k AUD with a 2070 super OC, now I have to build it for 2.6k this year with a 2060 OC, I hate miners

@@tobias8351 fam you didn’t pay 929 AUD for a 3 year old gpu

In the event the need for that card evaporates, or gets replaced, it is your moral duty to the computer community to strip that thing to the traces.

Same

me too

Yep

Same. Even $700 is stretching it by quite a bit. I still remember when we can get rx580s and gtx 1060s for a reasonable price

Linus, please stop making videos about anything else! This guy in particular doesn't care, his opinion is the most relevant out of all

Probably a happy little accident for Nvidia then.

@@TheRealAtello But is it an accident though? ;)

Actually it sounds like this card runs from the discarded datacenter production line of their products So the main purpose of that line is to produce the card that end up in the true compute datacenters and these cards are the ones that fail QC for that branch and they can't create a tier for. So instead they squeeze out money from the miners that are willing to drop 5k on it.

Its funny how many people think that people that mine in bulk actually use these cards to mine XD

I understood that reference

Son: “I guess my time as a gamer is up. Now I must become a minor”

I remember back in the days when my dad bought me a Quadro GPU as a present 😂

Then their son has a chance of becoming a data scientist.

I can't cuz nobody can afford 5k gpu for their sons lol

There is a reason Nvidia doesn't sell it alongside there normal cards, they don't want that to happen

My money is on UKposts not doing shit, even with Linus on their case. They don't give a fuck. Only about corporations and advertisers.

Shhhhhhh let the rich buy it so I can actually get a 3080 fml.

@@ilikecookies230 yes. i need my 3060 ti

@@ilikecookies230 will 30 80 millimeter fan work for you

That'd be fun to test! :D Regardless of whether it is true or not, the great questions lead to great discoveries!

@@tradingnichols2255 it would be fairly expensive if you don’t already have the cards but it should be just a matter of getting two of those rigid connecting bus card things filling them with mining cards and putting one upside down over the others or just getting the flexible PCIe cables and sticking the cards as close to tether as you can. And then fiddling with the shielding on the cards and the card positions.

@@glenecollins I would assume so he always encases the shell

The ROI on that card would be insane too.. dont see hows its practical for anyone

Well mining isn't a good practice, ethically or logically either, so that tracks at least...

@@Arclite02 good to know that you don't understand purpose of mining proces.

@@SlawcioD I understand it just fine. Billions upon billions of dollars in wasted equipment, colossal amounts of wasted power and needless emissions, all to make a small group of people who have the millions of dollars to set up a mining farm, obscenely rich at the expense of everyone else.

@@SlawcioD Tell how is mining a good thing?

That is actually a good idea it would be more possible if it was huge