This GIANT Electric Mining Truck Charges in Under 30 minutes!

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Fortescue, one of the world's largest iron ore producers - a critical material for steel, magnets, batteries, and fertilizers - has pledged to achieve net-zero emissions by 2030. To achieve this hugely ambitious goal, they enlisted the expertise of the Fortescue WAE engineers (formerly Williams Advanced Engineering) in Oxfordshire. The team were tasked with electrifying Fortescue's massive 221-tonne payload haul trucks, which are now being outfitted with mind-bogglingly big 1.4 MWh batteries. We visited their prototype facility to discover how they're doing it! @fullychargedshow @EverythingElectricShow
00:00 221 Tonne Mining Trucks in Oxfordshire
00:54 Track to Truck!
01:51 Fortescue
03:49 Battery Build
04:20 1.4 MWh Battery
05:31 Pit Lane to Mining Pit...
06:34 Hot temperatures, shocks, vibrations and pot holes
08:31 Battery safety..
09:00 Charging speed?
10:56 Infinity Train!
11:46 Two worlds colliding
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@byGDur
@byGDur 14 днів тому
I have a massive respect for companies like Fortescue in which they tackle these problems early with really good engineering! And thank you Fully Charged Team for showing these because it makes me more optimistic!
@kebeleteeek4227
@kebeleteeek4227 10 днів тому
It just a gimmick .. for "green image" purpose ... Electric heavy machinery/tractors is not a feasible technology ..
@Goggleboxing
@Goggleboxing 7 днів тому
@@kebeleteeek4227 What knowledge do you have about the detailed economics and engineering involved?
@kebeleteeek4227
@kebeleteeek4227 6 днів тому
@@Goggleboxing I have simple question : How to recharge these heavy tractors in remote places .. mining sites .. ? .. Build power grids first ..?? ..LOL ... Bringing in diesel generators ..?? ...LOL .. Build multi acres solar cells farms first ...?? LOL ... DoI need to become EV professor first to ask these simple questions ??
@0Aus
@0Aus 5 днів тому
@@kebeleteeek4227 😆👌 Yep, you obviously know what the bloke is. However the ore wagons down hill to port loaded back to pit empty, I will let him take that win😄👍
@kebeleteeek4227
@kebeleteeek4227 5 днів тому
@@0Aus Ore transportation from hill down to port is only small part of earth extraction process ... and not all situation the same ..
@proximaone1350
@proximaone1350 13 днів тому
As a mining truck driver of 28 years, I’d love to have drive of one of these. It would be quieter I’d imagine ( I wear hearing protection in diesel) and I’d not be breathing in diesel fumes which can happen even though I try to avoid.
@curtisducati
@curtisducati 13 днів тому
Soon these will be Ai so your fired hahahaha just think a new battery for this will be millions to replace
@cookingonthego9422
@cookingonthego9422 12 днів тому
I drive fork trucks to load. Had bin driving everi types imaginable. I chose an employer with electric if i can. They are much much nicer to work with.
@oddjobsandrandomprojects
@oddjobsandrandomprojects 12 днів тому
​@@curtisducati So you believe these will become so popular that they will be improved to replace his job. In saying this you are saying you believe EVs are the future.
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 12 днів тому
​@@curtisducatiYou seem very well informed. (Not) Perhaps you can calculate the number of millions it will cost your great grandkids to buy dinner if climate change is allowed to go unchecked? Or maybe that's no concern of yours?
@patrickbeck4062
@patrickbeck4062 11 днів тому
​@curtisducati A lot of places are already going autonomous, separate of them being EV. I would think a decent chunk of the cost of these batteries will be in the housings and BMS. So when the battery needs replacing I'm sure they will rebuild they packs with new cells, not just buy a whole new pack. Just like what already happens with every major component on mining equipment. It's not like the engines that won't be needed anymore are that cheap to begin with. At a site I've been at somebody forgot an o-ring inside an engine oil filter during an engine oil change. That o-ring destroyed the engine when it made it into the oil gallery for the crankshaft bearings. We were told that o-ring cost the company 1.3 million Australian dollars. Those trucks will need atleast 3 or 4 engine change outs during their life. Maybe more with low hour failures. Some of those engines are advertised as being able to burn 1 million gallons (3.8 million litres) of fuel between rebuilds, so there is potential to save a lot of money in fuel if they get get a decent amount of the electricity from solar.
@mk1st
@mk1st 11 днів тому
Just the other day I said to someone who drives a big diesel truck that “these will be the last vehicles to be electrified”. I stand corrected.
@patrickbeck4062
@patrickbeck4062 11 днів тому
My guess is long distance air planes and large, long distance cargo ships. I don't know what sort of energy density batteries will need to have to be able to cover those 2 (and cost per kWh), but I think there is a way to go. Atleast with mining they never really travel far from home, so are never too far from a charger. Plus it's in an area the mining company has control over, so don't have to rely on public charging ect. I am curious how much thought they put into swappable batteries and why they didn't do it.
@Goggleboxing
@Goggleboxing 7 днів тому
@@patrickbeck4062 Think how long the swap would take compared to what they've achieved with the fast charge turnaround. Also the licensing on-sale of the technologies they are developing... Any large scale, large capacity (mobile) application. Remote location operations with long lifetimes in service. These peeps are thinking smart.
@trevorberridge6079
@trevorberridge6079 5 днів тому
@@patrickbeck4062 Swappable batteries don't make sense on very large (HUGE) vehicles because they could actually cost too much time. Moving a 1.4mwh battery around is no quick swap. If you even did it as fast as the Nio battery swaps you'd still be talking at least 10 minutes for the actually battery swap process to which you have to add aligning the vehicle with the swapping rig and attaching and detaching any necessary connections or safety devices. Just think of what happened when the Byford Dolphin imploded because safety protocols weren't completed properly due to faulty equipment and/or human error. No a quarry truck won't implode, but huge amounts of electricity could end up going where they aren't supposed to. The point is that it would all take time to do, extra investment to build in and more large weights to be throwing around. And the process could still take 20-30 minutes so you wouldn't have saved much time for a lot of extra consideration and effort. Plugging huge power supplies into a huge machine works for the current electric ferry in Norway and allows it to top up between journeys without delays. Simpler is always better. And don't forget two other major issues: i) with battery swaps you have to have spare batteries sitting around. So instead of having 10 ten trucks with ten batteries you'll need an extra 10 spare batteries ready to go; ii) you'll still have to charge the spare batteries anyway. Might as well roll a truck up to the charger and top up in about the same time as the swap process would take anyway.
@nzldudeDNB
@nzldudeDNB 14 днів тому
Have been lucky enough to work for Fortescue >13 years. Incredible ambition within the business to go fully green. The workforce are really backing this vison, determined to demonstrate that a heavy polluting mining company can do Real Zero Carbon Emissions, not NET Zero of any offsets. Also not mentioned in the video is Fortescues aim to produce 15Mt of green hydrogen (likely green ammonia) by 2035. Will require many Terra Watts (TW) of green energy generation, coupled with a purpose built vertically integrated PEM electrolysers factory in Queensland. Exciting times ahead. asx: FMG
@roidroid
@roidroid 13 днів тому
> _"Have been lucky enough to work for Fortescue >13 years."_ yeah mate, you and a lot of other people making comments it seems.
@darrens3
@darrens3 13 днів тому
​@@roidroid cry more.
@oddjobsandrandomprojects
@oddjobsandrandomprojects 10 днів тому
@@roidroid Really, because he's the only one I've seen. About half of the comments or more have been negative.
@roidroid
@roidroid 10 днів тому
@@darrens3 gottem! God i rememeber when i was 3 yrs old. no... i don't.
@trevorberridge6079
@trevorberridge6079 5 днів тому
The problem with creating any kind of hydrogen using electricity is that you have to crack the 25% return barrier. If you use 1mwh of electric energy to create hydrogen you will normally get only 250gwh of end use energy from the resulting hydrogen. They have to crack that issue for it to be worth the protracted process of creating green energy to produce electricity to split hydrogen that is then supposed to produce green power. I'm sure they will, but it's not likely to happen any time soon and it won't likely be as efficient as directly using electricity at an average 85% return.
@antoniocruz8083
@antoniocruz8083 13 днів тому
In Norway excavators in the city are electric now. The battery last half a day and its charged during lunch hour.
@mpokoraa
@mpokoraa 10 днів тому
what a joke
@Wilem35
@Wilem35 8 днів тому
@@mpokoraa You certainly are.
@mpokoraa
@mpokoraa 8 днів тому
@@Wilem35 I ain't no joke I have a PhD in excavators
@girenloland
@girenloland 8 днів тому
Yep, charge with diesel generators. At least that what they do where i live in Norway. Producing noise pollution the whole night
@antoniocruz8083
@antoniocruz8083 7 днів тому
@@mpokoraa I saw in a documentary on a national tv channel, am I not to believe it? If it is not possible then please explain. Please explain also how a private company invests millions in electrical equipment without doing the math as to its usefulness, rentability and longetivity.
@Arakyrie
@Arakyrie 14 днів тому
Diesel electric hauling trucks have been in mining for decades so electronics and electric motors have been thoroughly tested. So what has to be proven in the field are the batteries and the charging infrastructure
@t1n4444
@t1n4444 14 днів тому
S African gold mines, to east of Jo'burg, used diesel shunters at least a mile deep through the main galleries. The exhaust was fed to water tanks bolted to the side frames to collect the particulates. The fumes were sucked away by the ventilation system, which was so powerful it could have your wig off even a mile deep. Also the vents sucked the hot air out. On the western side of Jo'burg the gold mines are over two miles deep and much hotter ( known as the western deeps). Diesel shunters worked down there too.
@byGDur
@byGDur 14 днів тому
Electric motors are used in all kind of industries for ages now. There are a lot companies which already show that charging works. It works in cars but also in much bigger vehicles such as electric ferries for cars. For instance the electric ferry “Suloey”. Also these trucks can recharge partially when going downhill (I assume that diesel motors lose diesel even when going downhill and are using up their brakepads)
@vincentgrinn2665
@vincentgrinn2665 14 днів тому
diesel series hybrid with trolley wires is definitely the current tech solution mining emissions though the fuel usage is *only* reduced by 90% while connected to the trolley wires, so even if all of your haul roads are electrified, youre only reducing emissions by maybe 80% which is pretty great
@user-my6qk3bt4m
@user-my6qk3bt4m 13 днів тому
You need better batteries to make this work the technology isn’t here yet
@t1n4444
@t1n4444 13 днів тому
@@user-my6qk3bt4m Hmm ... your point about batteries raises the question that if batteries were used to power locos mines then if there was a fire in a battery pack then you might well find nasty gases throughout the drives, galleries etc. Piling on the Armageddon thing what if the ventilation system brought the nasty gasses to the surface? Or if the ventilation system shut down altogether? I dare say mines might be one place you wouldn't want to employ hydrogen powered anything. I would suggest the ventilation system in itself might do an excellent job of combining hydrogen, if leaked, and air (plus naturally occurring methane?) into an explosive mix. Can't see that going down too well.
@alastairhatt360
@alastairhatt360 14 днів тому
Andrew Forrest and Fortescue mining are leading the way to change the way we mine and at least reduce as much pollution as we can getting these minerals out if the ground. Should be applauded for committing so much to this and other projects. 🇦🇺👍
@roidroid
@roidroid 13 днів тому
lol if you say so mate. Real Australians beg to differ - about the value of multinational mining giants - who's lobbyists take over government. They're only "Green" in as much as it green-washes their money. These mining giants care about nothing but ensuring their future profit & power. Want to do something useful? How about your rein in your "Liberal party of Australia"? Yes, YOUR Liberal party. Your industry's main political outlet. At this stage i don't think anyone is confused about which tail wags which dog.
@0Aus
@0Aus 5 днів тому
Interesting, Not sure fortescue and leading the way go in the same sentence. lol Yep he has a couple of ventures working to save money. As for the projects suggesting going green 😏 It's obviously fooling some in the crowd. Did he hug you to?😄
@starfan6299
@starfan6299 9 днів тому
You could power an entire neighborhood with the amount of electricity this thing uses. Lmao
@Wilem35
@Wilem35 8 днів тому
How much does it use?
@oddjobsandrandomprojects
@oddjobsandrandomprojects 8 днів тому
Same is true of the diesel ones.
@joebrown9621
@joebrown9621 2 дні тому
That battery output is not even close 😅
@cookingonthego9422
@cookingonthego9422 12 днів тому
It is easy to make everything electric. You dont need to make electric trucks. We have an electric trains. You dont need electric buses there are troley buses. This goes on and on. Everithing is already there. We just refuse to change things. This truck is one of the final things. Loveli.
@petervisi5369
@petervisi5369 14 днів тому
Toys grow up too. Imagine that when you were a kid you needed four battery cells to your truck. When you grow up you need hundred thousand cells.
@the1beard
@the1beard 13 днів тому
these videos are pure comedy ... yep
@raymondschembri5042
@raymondschembri5042 11 днів тому
@@the1beard Why did you watch! You must be the clown 🤡😂😂😂😂
@the1beard
@the1beard 11 днів тому
@@raymondschembri5042 I enjoy watching COMEDY SHOWS this one was proper hilarious
@t1n4444
@t1n4444 11 днів тому
​@raymondschemb The reason why such videos are watched is mainly for entertainment value. Nobody takes half the guff we see and hear on this platform, and others, seriously. We see amiable old characters telling us all sorts of facts and figures. Occasionally we get an extra treat when Robert or Imogen or even dear old Quentin host a discussion with a guest who is picked to do the confirmation bias thing. Quentin even does the statement affirmation thing after every point the guest comments on. The danger for Robert and cronies lies in that a lot of the audience are far better qualified than themselves. To hear Imogen declare some inefficient homebrew storage radiators were "super efficient" for no other reason than it was in her script was laughable. Imogen is interested in her career, ditto Jack, so will present their heads off as required. It's left for the audience to question the validity of the "facts" they present ... there's certainly no attempt at balance at all. Eventually, at one of the Q&A sessions seen at these global events someone will ask about why Robert is careful not to mention hydrogen fuel, in a fuel cell or modified head ICE unit. It is going to be both interesting and amusing, if not totally entertaining, to hear Robert respond. Robert will know immediately he's been set up and will have immense difficulty in formulating a believable response. Believable to "us", not himself.
@the1beard
@the1beard 11 днів тому
@@t1n4444 100% agree they are useful tools serving the narative .. The comedy is EPIC
@divelizard1966
@divelizard1966 11 днів тому
These trucks are already electric the diesel is used to generate the power to drive the electric motors Considering most mines are 24/7 operations it will be interesting to see if the batteries can handle the regen used for braking
@neoanderson7
@neoanderson7 10 днів тому
No easy feat by any means. Great to see the engineers take on such a massive undertaking. Bravo WAE!
@oddjobsandrandomprojects
@oddjobsandrandomprojects 11 днів тому
I can't believe how many people find it necessary to post negative comments here. First they complained that the mining was done with diesel. Now they complain that it isn't. Guess some people are just angry at everything. Can't we just be nice instead?
@mikemellor759
@mikemellor759 14 днів тому
I just love the combination of technical content, with Imogen getting her head around the issues, and the production skills of walks to camera that perfectly match the speech to arrival at destination. How many takes were required?! 👏👏
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 12 днів тому
Excellent cinematography.
@wobby1516
@wobby1516 9 днів тому
This proves that anything is possible with the right people behind it..
@derekgodfrey5
@derekgodfrey5 13 днів тому
It would interesting to get an accountant to see how much of FMG actual bottom line goes into the project and how much is actually paid by Australian Tax payers in grants for green power transition given out by the various government bodies or Tax refunds . It would be nice if all those proposed solar panels were manufactured in Australia .
@roguebullet4220
@roguebullet4220 14 днів тому
Another good review. Thank you. If memory serves correctly, I think Nikki from Transport Evolved walked around this facility several months ago. The big thing mentioned then was the incredible amount of regen braking during the downhill run, almost charges the battery on the way down.
@CAPOCAP
@CAPOCAP 13 днів тому
I'd imagine it takes a significant amount of energy to transport that haul back up as well.
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 12 днів тому
​​@@CAPOCAPIt depends on the site layout. If the mine is up high and the load is being carried down hill to a depot, then the regen is more than enough to power the empty truck up the hill. The concept was tested successfully at a mine in 2018. The truck was completely charged by regen and they had enough surplus energy to charge a lot of equipment at the depot.
@Bennie32831
@Bennie32831 5 днів тому
Imagine a all electrical mining camp in space
@jamesengland7461
@jamesengland7461 14 днів тому
If you're griping about this, you may have inhaled too much diesel exhaust..
@mk1st
@mk1st 11 днів тому
Complainers argue as if today’s tech is as good as it’s going to get.
@oddjobsandrandomprojects
@oddjobsandrandomprojects 8 днів тому
There are always unhappy people out there who can only feel good by trying to treat others down.
@christopherguy1217
@christopherguy1217 14 днів тому
Great visionary work being done by this young startup mining company. They were early adopters of autonomous mining trucks now they've gone electric too. Bravo.
@Robert-cu9bm
@Robert-cu9bm 14 днів тому
They're not a start up, the owner is a billionaire from mining boom.
@jaaklucas1329
@jaaklucas1329 12 днів тому
Electric is nothing new in heavy machinery. Think our diesel spewing trains. It is actually an electric motor drive charged by a diesel ICE generator(alternator like on an ICE car) Battery tech is the game of the century and I have no doubt in mankinds ingenuity.
@Wol747
@Wol747 7 днів тому
Amazing how a pair of (any ) glasses add a couple of hundred to Imogen’s IQ not to mention the beauty!
@fredbecker607
@fredbecker607 10 днів тому
Have you looked at Edison motors in Canada yet? They are also working on a hybrid logging truck.
@rgeraldalexander4278
@rgeraldalexander4278 7 днів тому
Great content, beautiful and talented presenter.
@robintaillandier4479
@robintaillandier4479 14 днів тому
Thanks for the great video! Looking at it I thought of another extremely large mine that is already fully electrified and which could maybe constitute an interesting topic for fully charged: LKAB iron mine in Kiruna, Sweden.
@ioanbota9397
@ioanbota9397 4 дні тому
Realy I like this biggest machines
@crm11450
@crm11450 14 днів тому
The very low cost of solar energy these days make such projects infinitely feasible. In the longer term, bye, bye diesel.
@Robert-cu9bm
@Robert-cu9bm 14 днів тому
Just have to shut the mine down at night, early morning and afternoon.
@crm11450
@crm11450 14 днів тому
@@Robert-cu9bmNot hesrd of battery megapacks then?
@antoniocruz8083
@antoniocruz8083 13 днів тому
​@@Robert-cu9bmThere's a huge solar station near where I live with 1/3 of panels facing east, 1/3 west and 1/3 south so there goes your theory of morning and afternoon without solar power. The greatest part of the night the consumption is very little but usually there's wind or hydro anyways.
@chrisward5626
@chrisward5626 13 днів тому
@@Robert-cu9bm one fortescue mine is already saving 100 million litres of diesel a year by running solar through the day , then they can run gas late at night . Roi was just 2 years . The infinity train will save even more .
@Robert-cu9bm
@Robert-cu9bm 13 днів тому
@@chrisward5626 🤣... Yeah sure they are. 100milion litres of fuel save is 300million kWh needed to replace that. 300gwh "Risen Energy (Australia) is developing the 132 MWdc Merredin Solar Farm approximately 260km east of Perth in Western Australia’s Central Wheatbelt region. Merredin Solar Farm is the largest solar farm committed to construction in Western Australia and once connected, will have an expected output of 281GWh of electricity annually, generating enough energy to power approximately 42,000 Western Australian homes." This wouldn't even replace that amount of fuel.
@dogbreath6974
@dogbreath6974 14 днів тому
Would have been nice to compare the EV with the Diesel version, like how long does it take to fill up the tank, run times and weight difference. Good episode though, Imogen smiling when putting on the glasses and jacket, priceless.
@AnonymousFreakYT
@AnonymousFreakYT 14 днів тому
Some mines use EV large trucks like that … and never need to charge them. Mines where they haul things downhill, the vehicle is heavy when going downhill, so it charges through regenerative braking enough to drive back to the top of the hill empty for the next load. And one thing about mining vehicles, they don’t tend to have any “road weight” regulations, so even if the battery weighs an extra 10,000 pounds, it doesn’t matter, they just make the vehicle weigh 10,000 pounds more. (Unlike road tractor-trailer combos that have weight limits, so adding 10,000 pounds of batteries means 10,000 pounds less cargo; although at least in the USA, they are allowed to ignore the weight of the battery, so a truck-trailer combo normally limited to 80,000 pounds - with a 10,000 pound battery can weigh 90,000 pounds. A la the Tesla Semi.)
@bobwallace9753
@bobwallace9753 14 днів тому
What needs to be reported is cost. What the mining operation will save by moving to electricity generated on site vs. diesel that has to be continuously trucked in to operate an ICE system.
@dandare1001
@dandare1001 14 днів тому
Yes, I think the comparisons weren't shown for a good reason.
@MarkGovier
@MarkGovier 13 днів тому
Why compare to obsolete technology? The decision has been made to go to zero carbon solutions. The only comparisons needed will be at the low level technical decisions around which IGFETS to use and which battery chemistry suits which applications. This is the detail I’d like to see, but they’ll be claiming it’s the “special sauce”, the IP, where WAE’s value is, they’re not doing this for love, there’s value to their owners, improved efficiency making their iron ore more competitive, making the shareholders more wonga.
@thomasgade226
@thomasgade226 13 днів тому
@@bobwallace9753 it's a prototype, which always cost more. Even at serial production they will cost more to build than diesel. Question is how many years it takes for the lower operating cost to offset the higher build cost. The companies are literally pulling the energy out of thin air.
@maxvaessen
@maxvaessen 14 днів тому
Awesome stuff! Thanks for the great journalism on electrification ❤
@winfriedtheis5767
@winfriedtheis5767 14 днів тому
Fantastic to know that the mining industry is pushing forward with their electrification. It is no doubt a tough challenge, particularly the charging at each end point of the routes is a challenge! But I have no doubt these challenges will be overcome!
@joebrown9621
@joebrown9621 2 дні тому
Mining equipment has been electrified for years now.. just not BEV's most of their monster equipment and drills run giant umbilical cards that are plugged into switch stacks which draws power directly from the grid..
@200mphgt40
@200mphgt40 14 днів тому
Did some early test and measurement of this prototype truck a while back. Great to see the progress made and it up and running now. It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out over the next few years. Getting rid of the diesel genset will make it a lot less fatiguing to operate too!
@tobywhitehead7488
@tobywhitehead7488 7 днів тому
I think mining companies will do whatever is cheapest and most reliable. The environmental benefits are just a convenient pr piece. Either way it is a win.
@t8polestarcyan22
@t8polestarcyan22 8 днів тому
Nice to hear, nice to see. However what will be the power consumption with PTO on?!
@CarlinComm
@CarlinComm 14 днів тому
Wow that's awesome to see the trucks are going electric. Great episode!
@simonyapp
@simonyapp 14 днів тому
Totally brilliant, thank you
@simonburger4616
@simonburger4616 12 днів тому
Do they use litium or natrium?
@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589
@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589 14 днів тому
From Barbie pink dress to Ewok welding suit; no-one can accuse Imogen of being sartorially typecast. I bet her house growing up had a massive dress-ups box . . . .
@kateevans4892
@kateevans4892 12 днів тому
See? it can be done!
@nominalvelocity
@nominalvelocity 14 днів тому
It would have been interesting to know more about the charging infrastructure. This thing will need a 3000+-kva charger to pump that power in that quickly. That suit she wore is an arc flash suit for actuating contactors--it'll make the difference between an open casket funeral and a nice urn next to a photo, should the worst happen. And contactors like that tend not to like many cycles. Never mind if the batteries all dumped that energy quickly--could take out the better part of a city block.
@carlsapartments8931
@carlsapartments8931 13 днів тому
a company called JANUS in Australia is doing exactly the same thing by converting existing heavy diesel highway trucks and their batteries look just like that, very impressive what they have done. NO charging required with their system, batteries get swapped by a forklift driver in ONE MINUTE when the truck pulls into the station and they are on the road again, faster than fueling up!
@user-ex6gq7yv2w
@user-ex6gq7yv2w 13 днів тому
We all know Janus, they're famous for the cement truck fire on the bridge..........and the prototype at their own site. Waiting for their next update.
@EugeneLambert
@EugeneLambert 14 днів тому
Fascinating episode. Good for Fortescue.
@JohnReiher
@JohnReiher 14 днів тому
Makes me wonder if Fortescue thought about battery swapping on those trucks? While they are working, a bank of batteries are charging up at a slightly slower rate than the fast charge, but the swap takes less time than charging would.
@muskrat3291
@muskrat3291 14 днів тому
Mining equipment manufacture Sandvik makes underground battery electric mining trucks that use battery swapping technology. The swap time is about 5 minutes.
@patrickbeck4062
@patrickbeck4062 13 днів тому
That's what I want to know. I've been thinking about that since 7 or so years ago while I was working at a Fortescue site (was there for 5 and half years). I was doing an engine change out on one of the large CAT trucks (793F) with another mechanic, and we were waiting for a crane, so had time to talk. We were thinking about how you could make a battery electric one. It seemed obvious to us that you would just put the battery where the engine is (engine with torque converter in that truck is around 12.5 tonne) and have the battery and radiator as a module that would have channels in the base of the frame, so you can pull up to a battery bay instead of a fuel bay, and have it autonomously set up to remove the module and swap in new one. Then you can charge that battery over a few hours or more (depending on how many extra batteries you have), so you don't have to try and charge at 3 plus mega watts, while the truck is sitting for half hour plus. Slow consistent charging of extra batteries also seems like it would be better suited to making use of solar generation during the day. I'm sure it would be difficult to make sure there's is always a good, safe electrical connection (trucks are always covered in dust and a lot of mud and baked on dirt once it has rained), plus making the battery hold done mechanism reliable, but it still seems to me like it would be the way to go until battery energy improves a lot.
@JGS123WRPTP
@JGS123WRPTP 14 днів тому
Fairly sure any negative comments are diesel truck manufacturing workers :) This things awesome, nothing cooler than a bunch of nerds playing with big toys.
@antoniocruz8083
@antoniocruz8083 13 днів тому
Lots of noise too, vrum vrum, just like children.
@Ernst12
@Ernst12 12 днів тому
This has nothing to do with negative comments but it is about issues not explained or misrepresented in the video. For starters, these trucks are not zero emission - what utter nonsense! Further 30 minutes charging time, at what rate and where are the figures. If the charging rate is short, most likely the battery will be stressed and this means a shorter life-span. The battery would be enormous with massive CO2 baggage, a short life and a recycling disaster not to mention that this will ultimately result in an environmental disaster when the battery needs to be replaced.
@antoniocruz8083
@antoniocruz8083 12 днів тому
@@Ernst12 First, there are already battery recycling plants where just shy of 100% of the battery components are recycled. If there's profit to be made someone will take the opportunity. Second, what proof do you have that fast charging degrades batteries to, say, half their normal life? There are Telsas with several hundreds of thousands of kms that have always been fast charged. They might loose some percentage of life but it is not significant. Electrification is here to stay and while not free of polluting it is several times less polluting than burning millions of gallons of oil. Neither oil nor the oxygen needed for combustion will last forever.
@secretdad544
@secretdad544 12 днів тому
That’s not realistic saying it can recharge in 30 minutes Recharge from where? Diesel or Gas fired electrical power So you generate electricity using diesel or gas and then charge the truck using diesel or gas fired electrical generators No gain at all!!!
@secretdad544
@secretdad544 12 днів тому
@@antoniocruz8083 you are so naive to the facts. Where do you think the electricity used to charge the truck comes from ???? It comes from diesel or LNG fired power stations There is zero benefit because the fuel used to drive the electrical generators could have been used to drive the truck itself Also you may not know but haul trucks have been electric since the 1970s They run a big diesel powered generator on board haul trucks - right now - all over the world This video is a stupid publicity stunt.
@drsm7947
@drsm7947 8 днів тому
I have dought on this because battery is very heavy and low capacity this will just run may an hour or more maybe a electric Diesel way untill new and better battery technology is invented
@jamesdubben3687
@jamesdubben3687 14 днів тому
Can't wait to see your test drive
@pumpkinhead456
@pumpkinhead456 10 днів тому
Surely you'd make swapable battery packs, and use the packs as the grid storage. Lacked a little detail - how many volts was it? How long does it last? Are the trucks brand new or can these be swapped to existing?
@brandonjones4666
@brandonjones4666 5 днів тому
Diesel over electric seems like a plausible solution.
@gery4870
@gery4870 13 днів тому
Superb !! Keep up the content !!
@ElectricCarAustralia
@ElectricCarAustralia 14 днів тому
Love this stuff 👍
@cameronschweder8698
@cameronschweder8698 9 днів тому
I want to see the massive connectors on this thing to charge it! Surely not CCS! 😂
@3krischan
@3krischan 14 днів тому
Camera and cut seems a bit off this time. Do you have new staff? 😅
@alexandrustefanmiron7723
@alexandrustefanmiron7723 10 днів тому
Woow .. so between 10 to 20x less energy than a proper truck. Woow. Fyi cat 797 3790l and cat 797b 6810l that is roughly eq to 11mwh and 20mwh @30% eff. As someone was saying "future my arse!". It is not impossible, just "genius"! Impressive! Bravo! Have you guys not heard of napkins, coasters and such to do simple multiplications and see what grade of "genius" some of the ideas are before implementing them?
@TedToal_TedToal
@TedToal_TedToal 14 днів тому
Thanks, that was one of the best videos you've done in terms of an interesting topic.
@nonyanks2510
@nonyanks2510 13 днів тому
The greater the variety of electrics the better, keeps people busy, and out of trouble doing something constructive !
@brianiswrong
@brianiswrong 13 днів тому
" driving through a meter deep pot hole" nice to know the truck can just about cope with any uk B road then😅😅
@davidiscostarica6097
@davidiscostarica6097 9 днів тому
Novel idea. Where is your charger? Cuts down on on load capacity. Many charging stations are using clean hydrogen. There are fleets of Hydrogen trucks already in Queensland.
@tonydeveyra4611
@tonydeveyra4611 5 днів тому
Trying to determine if Imogen actually does look like that one british actress ive seen in all the movies or if I just think that because they both have british accents 🤷‍♂️
@Jaw0lf
@Jaw0lf 14 днів тому
The whole tyhing with going electric is that we do not want every body swapping at once, we need a steady update to the grid and charging options as more people go electric. This is fantastic to see that even the huge mining trucks are starting to move to battery technology, that is also improving all the time, whereas ICE has reached it's end of refinement. The day will be here where fuel prices for ICE will keep increasing whereas electricity will become cheaper as more wind and solar come online, along with the battery storage.
@1MCfocus1
@1MCfocus1 12 днів тому
Just use ethanol and biodiesel plants combined with PV and wind turbines to produce fuel. No need to scrap all those cars with internal combustion engines. Just be reasonable.
@Jaw0lf
@Jaw0lf 12 днів тому
@@1MCfocus1 Seems a lot of effort and cost. Just use the elctricity and probably a lot less of it and save having to create the bio diesel. But they can do it but costs will be far higher and I do wonder when fuel is 50p per mile and electricity 1p. This will make a decision for a lot more people.
@1MCfocus1
@1MCfocus1 12 днів тому
@@Jaw0lf Electricity is a lot of cost - infrastructure and batteries aint cheap and getting more and more expensive. Destilery is not expensive. PV isn't either. Be real.
@Jaw0lf
@Jaw0lf 12 днів тому
@@1MCfocus1 Lol, EV batteries have dropped in price by 50% over the past year. The grid is paid for by all who use it. Batteries have been used as part of a huge storage successfully in Australia and many other places. Far cheaper than building a new power station. More PV and wind farms keep coming on line and this will make it cheaper and cheaper to own and run an EV.
@1MCfocus1
@1MCfocus1 12 днів тому
@@Jaw0lf EV sales droped almost to 0.
@lesliedsy
@lesliedsy 11 днів тому
It would have been great if there was a EV vs Diesel truck side by side comparison. Example, how long would a 1.4mwh charge last in "normal" use in the mine. How much battery degrades during fast charging (30 min charging is fast charging). How much operational time is lost per vehicle while waiting to charge as compared to diesel trucks. Carrying capacity, speed, reliability, temperature ,etc.
@fullychargedshow
@fullychargedshow 11 днів тому
All very good questions. Which can only be answered by being at the mine. Which is incredibly remote and very expensive to get to. We operate on a truly miniscule budget but even with all those restrictions I intend to get to the mine in 2025 and actually see these monsters in action. But all your questions miss out one critical, massive issue. The diesel doesn't come down from the sky, it has to be drilled, extracted, transported by ship, the dirtiest 40% of all global shipping, refined and then transported to the remote location, all of which has a massive, global impact that is always helpful ignored by the very powerful, wealthy and hugely influential fossil fuel industry.
@patrickbeck4062
@patrickbeck4062 11 днів тому
​​​@@fullychargedshowObviously ask them all the questions about the mining equipment, but don't forget to also ask about how much diesel they use to run the rest of the mine. Like processing, dewatering, workshops, and the thousands of air conditioners between the mine and campsite that run 24/7/365 etc. About 8 ish years ago when I was still at a Forteque site, they had one of the dewatering guys come and do an update at one of our Mobile Maintenance workshop meetings. He told us how much fuel they had used for the year (might have even been just 1 quarter). I wish I could remember the number exactly, but it was well into the millions of litres of diesel, just to pump water around site and out of pits so they don't flood. It was a shocking amount of fuel, I had to check I was looking at the right thing on the PowerPoint. Many of the pump stations scattered around site are a diesel generator powering an electric pump. Seemed to me like one of the many places to atleast partially power with solar. Also, make sure you come in the hottest week of summer and while the flies are out, to get the peak Pilbara experience haha
@kokovox
@kokovox 13 днів тому
Great presentation!
@nicholaspostlethwaite9554
@nicholaspostlethwaite9554 8 днів тому
Amazing, Bat Trees store electricity. I thought one used batteries. (bat ter rees)
@michaelgreenhalgh7118
@michaelgreenhalgh7118 13 днів тому
What an amazing insight. Ironically this is on my doorstep and I didn't know about it. As I am leaving my role in the RAF after 15 years I am going to see what jobs they have on offer.
@highlanderapparel
@highlanderapparel 14 днів тому
A very informative and well presented presentation. Young lady the Highlander.😊
@Stuart_Johnson_Solutions
@Stuart_Johnson_Solutions 13 днів тому
I just adore Imogen's delivery style. She has all the style and Grace of Judith Hann, one of Tomorrow's Worlds longest serving and most accomplished presenters.
@coffeebuzzz
@coffeebuzzz 13 днів тому
Twiggy is just as greedy as all the other mining magnates but his drive for green steel and mining is not just a contrived PR stunt. He realises the economics of hinging your entire business on fossil fuels is a guaranteed loss long term. You install 500Mw of solar power and the price of that energy is fixed for the life of the system, which will last 20 years with minimal maintenance, and solar is dirt cheap.
@roidroid
@roidroid 13 днів тому
if he starts FIGHTING AGAINST the other mining magnates in a PR war that counters all of their pro-fossil-fuel propaganda - stopping it before it spreads, like he actually cares beyond his quarterly profit margin, THEN i'll believe that.
@rjbiker66
@rjbiker66 13 днів тому
The ev trucks can offset the emissions from twiggy's $98m private jet
@Romerso1
@Romerso1 13 днів тому
Interesting, they are not going for Hydrogen but electric and batteries. And other Australian mining companies do the same. In the end it comes down to energy efficiency and simplicity. And better efficiency means lower cost.
@HandSolitude
@HandSolitude 8 днів тому
It'll save them a fortune on Diesel and engine maintenance.
@nathansuss
@nathansuss 14 днів тому
This is incredible
@mrmawson2438
@mrmawson2438 14 днів тому
Thanks Imogen 😉
@corashy1950
@corashy1950 9 днів тому
This is not true! 😔 30 minutes to take a charge. Nit fully charged from max depth of Dis charge. DOD. There using supercap to absorb and charge battery,by changing cells from parallel topology to series. Tesla uses the same trick. Voltage goes from 200 operating vilts to 400 to charge. Cap pics up high voltage and convert to lower voltage with higher current. This gives the impression of full charge. 😊 I challenge this company to a peer study. 😊
@GumbyRoffo
@GumbyRoffo 2 дні тому
No super caps used I can assure you. Fortescue are really pushing the boundaries.
@davethefab6339
@davethefab6339 7 днів тому
I thought a mining truck had already been created that fully recharged on its way back down into the mine.
@fullychargedshow
@fullychargedshow 7 днів тому
Hi Dave, I think you might be referring to the mining truck in Switzerland which operates in a very specific geographic area. It climbs up a mountain track to a quarry high above the cement works it supplies. So it goes up empty and comes down full. It generates far more energy from regenerative braking on the way down when fully loaded then it does to climb up when it is empty. That excess power is fed into the grid. www.greencarreports.com/news/1124478_world-s-largest-ev-never-has-to-be-recharged
@ChrisHPSNZ
@ChrisHPSNZ 5 днів тому
Interesting I have recently traveled through the Himalayas…. A number of communities go up and down and they have an excess of water. They could very easily load up a bladder with water regen going down dump the water at the bottom…. Pretty sure they could almost do it without charging??
@johnhavens8199
@johnhavens8199 12 днів тому
This is the technology that will drive the new companies that replace the current earthmoving equipment companies such as John Deere, Caterpillar Tractor, Hoyt-Clagwell Etc. None of these companies have made any serious moves into electrification of their entire fleets. They will loose and disappear just as passenger shipping and rail disappeared when aviation came into the norm.
@smacospasovski5123
@smacospasovski5123 14 днів тому
I guess the cells come from China or I'm wrong
@ChrisNother
@ChrisNother 14 днів тому
This truck needs a 3 Megawatt charger to charge in 30 minutes. I'm guessing they will be thin on the ground.
@xxwookey
@xxwookey 14 днів тому
Indeed. And I wonder what voltage it runs at. They didn't actually tell us, but I guess it's more that the usual 800V to keep currents vaguely sane. Maybe 1500V and 1900A? Can you do 3kV and 1000A? It is certainly proper engineering. I'm not actually sure what the engineering limits here are. Maybe contactors is the thing that limits pack voltage?
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck 14 днів тому
How many do YOU need?
@theunknownunknowns5168
@theunknownunknowns5168 14 днів тому
Or multiple smaller charges. It isn't new to divide up the onboard batteries in to manageable sizes. Electric ferrys, tugboats, tesla semi....
@ChrisNother
@ChrisNother 14 днів тому
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck I don't need any.
@ChrisNother
@ChrisNother 14 днів тому
@@theunknownunknowns5168 Yes I've seen that suggested for EV's but the idea that people could hog two charging outlets to the detriment of others that may only require one seems a non-starter to me.
@5353Jumper
@5353Jumper 14 днів тому
Green tech improves itself. The more we adopt green generation and electrification, the greener it gets to build green generation and electrification.
@dandare1001
@dandare1001 14 днів тому
Surely a mining truck is totally different to a racing car? One needs to keep going for 10-15 hours per day, where every minute of downtime costs a lot of money, whereas a racing car needs to provide lots of power for a pretty short time. Dave Rawlins didn't sound very convincing. He didn't even sound like he convinced himself. I can imagine regenerative charging going down into the mine pit would return some energy, but they still won't keep going for long. Still, it's a start. At least they are trying.
@patrickbeck4062
@patrickbeck4062 13 днів тому
More like 20 hours a day if there are no breakdowns, as pretty much every minesite like this runs 24/7. If it's an autonomous truck with no breakdowns it could operate pretty much the whole day minus refueling.
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan 11 днів тому
1.4 MWh seems a bit small, that would be about 5% the weight of the vehicle.
@patrickbeck4062
@patrickbeck4062 11 днів тому
Yeah. I would think atleast 2.5Mwh would be much more useful. And would still need recharging every 3.5 hours or so, I'm guessing. But atleast then it could last between breaks, and then until between shifts, so if they could still do a half hour charge they wouldn't have much more down time than a truck with a driver.
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan 11 днів тому
Maybe it isn't driving out of a deep hole, maybe it is transporting on fairly level ground or even from a mountain top down to a processing plant, then it could be enough for a shift. Or maybe they just filled the space left by the engine and generator and couldn't fit more. If it was designed from the start to be an EV with 25-30% of the weight being battery then 5-7 MWh would be my guess.
@speckkatze
@speckkatze 5 днів тому
@@zapfanzapfan If it drives down from a mountain to deliver material to a processing plant it might not require charging at all, as it could use the potential energy of the material with regen braking to charge up the batteries for the way back up again.
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan 5 днів тому
@@speckkatze Did you read what wrote in the reply above? Yes, that is used in a Swiss quarry.
@speckkatze
@speckkatze 5 днів тому
@@zapfanzapfan there is no reply where you said it could live of just regen braking, or at least youtube isnt showing me one.
@johnfowler4820
@johnfowler4820 9 днів тому
I worked in the outback of W.A. for years and the damage done to the land stolen from a peaceful original people is a travesty.
@0Aus
@0Aus 5 днів тому
Did battery truck do it?
@secretdad544
@secretdad544 10 днів тому
Of course I’ve heard of them I install them I am an industrial electrician. I know them inside and out. I know exactly what it takes to build them and I have been doing it so long now I see the old panels failing and the problems diagnosing and replacing. Wind farms are even worse than solar. The carbon free is possible but not by solar or wind. Firstly the energy used to build these solar panels and wind turbines and the carbon footprint are massive and would never be recovered Solar plants have a life of 20 years and by then you have to have replaced almost every panel to keep them going 10 years life out of a wind turbine blade and they are 100 metres long. The difference between you and me Antonio is not only donI know renewables exist I know the reality of building maintaining and eventually disassembling them. It’s unsustainable. I know it I live it I breathe it every day. You may not realise but the only want to generate the power this world needs “sustainably” is by nuclear power The renewables apart from hydro (there is no hydro that will ever power anything n the Pilbara mate there IS no water and no mountains over here. You are a very positive guy and unfortunately you have no clue about the Pilbara or how power is generated here or how much energy it will take to build power stations of solar power that can power a haul truck Do the math. Those trucks burn over 2000 litres per 12 hour shift and the energy expended is phenomenal. You can’t do the math because you have no clue about what you are talking. You want it to be real but the numbers will never add up in the Pilbara. It’s too remote and too hot (yes heat causes massive voltage drop in solar panels and shortens their lifespan) It’s a publicity stunt and until nuclear gets back in the radar there will be no carbon footprint free power in the Pilbara
@logitech4873
@logitech4873 6 днів тому
Solar and wind turbines deliver a LOT more energy than what was spent making them. Stop lying.
@ericwolff6059
@ericwolff6059 13 днів тому
Negatives likely coming from oil industry mouth pieces.
@davidwilkie9551
@davidwilkie9551 14 днів тому
And this technology might extend to producing a continuous supply of nacent Hydrogen for reducing Iron Ore, or some other metal ores too.
@placeholdername0000
@placeholdername0000 14 днів тому
Just store the hydrogen. That should be cheaper than batteries.
@TimJW
@TimJW 14 днів тому
​@@placeholdername0000Nope, hydrogen is objectively more expensive than using batteries and electricity
@alanmay7929
@alanmay7929 14 днів тому
@@TimJW wrong its not, we have been developping much better hydrogen storage capabilities to change the game too.
@placeholdername0000
@placeholdername0000 14 днів тому
@@TimJW Not when you need hydrogen for the production process.
@EienRozen
@EienRozen 7 днів тому
It would take 30+ windmills to recharge this truck once.
@logitech4873
@logitech4873 6 днів тому
1 would be enough.
@techbears670
@techbears670 9 днів тому
Why don't use use small nuclear generator or hydrogen as a fuel it's pretty hard to recycle the battery paks
@MihneaStoian
@MihneaStoian 14 днів тому
@EdisonMotors is tackling the heavy trucking side of this.
@Robert-cu9bm
@Robert-cu9bm 14 днів тому
Best option is what they're doing
@EngineerLewis
@EngineerLewis 13 днів тому
Please explain how the battery integrates with the rest of the drive system. I presume the battery powers hydraulic motors so pumps hydraulic fluid rather than direct drive to electric motors on the axles. It is interesting to hear about another battery installation but as a mechanical engineer I want to also know about the whole system. Thanks.
@patrickbeck4062
@patrickbeck4062 13 днів тому
It will be for both the traction motors and motors to drive hydraulic pumps. I'm pretty sure the traction motor will be similar to diesel electric versions that already exist, where they are built into the rear wheel ends with a planetary drive. The also have separate motors direct drive to the hydraulic pumps. This should be the same, just with a battery supplying the electricity instead of an alternator. As someone who works on these machines in that area of Western Australia (I have mostly only worked on the mechanical drive versions, not too much of the diesel electrics). I would also like alot more technical details.
@marleepop115
@marleepop115 13 днів тому
It's a bit hard to see this as a feel good story when you consider the devistating effect open-cast mining has on the environment - especially in WA.
@mrmawson2438
@mrmawson2438 14 днів тому
This is bloody great
@DavidKnowles0
@DavidKnowles0 13 днів тому
It a shame to another great British company sold to a foreign company.
@Persanity
@Persanity 10 днів тому
Congressman Ralph Norman needs to be shown this truck cause he doesn't believe battery electric dump trucks exist.
@superspeeder
@superspeeder 10 днів тому
Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
@davidroberts9099
@davidroberts9099 7 днів тому
You do realize this is a prototype and years from production, right?
@GumbyRoffo
@GumbyRoffo 2 дні тому
He will soon as we will be making them there(CONUS) as well.
@alanblyde8502
@alanblyde8502 13 днів тому
Electrification of trains with regen would definitely be the go, I’ve seen them in the Pilbara makes sense
@bimblinghill
@bimblinghill 12 днів тому
I very much appreciate Imogen's enthusiasm for PPE
@jordanrowlands6060
@jordanrowlands6060 13 днів тому
When he said about testing for a metre deep pothole, my first thought was "you could do that testing on Surrey roads...."
@nigelhudson1948
@nigelhudson1948 14 днів тому
Many F1 teams are based in the UK and even the overseas-based teams rely upon British component suppliers. So there are many highly-talented British engineers supporting the sport. It makes you think what these people could achieve if they weren't wasting their time and talent on this pointless soap-opera of a sport.
@roidroid
@roidroid 13 днів тому
yeah i've never heard of WAE, but Fortescue? Oh yeah they're one of the mining giants that infects Australia. Every Australian knows THAT name (and others)
@timmurphy5541
@timmurphy5541 13 днів тому
People wouldn't be employing them to do interesting, experimental, extreme things. There's a low appetite for risk outside F1.
@roidroid
@roidroid 13 днів тому
@@timmurphy5541 People? What have PEOPLE got to do with anything. They're a mining giant, they follow wherever there's MONEY to be made exploiting mineral resources. The only "People" who bring them in are already on their payroll. They can't mine people (yet).
@PaulG.x
@PaulG.x 13 днів тому
They use iron ore to make steeeeeel??????
@mbaktari8194
@mbaktari8194 5 днів тому
BATTERY is NOT THE ANSWER for everything, TOOOOOO HEAVY !!! WHY DON'T THEY use BIO-FUEL intaed ??!!
@AlanRait
@AlanRait 13 днів тому
Another great video!
@highlanderapparel
@highlanderapparel 14 днів тому
Your video team's passports must be swamped with Visa stamps the Highlander p. S kindness is always free.😊
@danielmadar9938
@danielmadar9938 14 днів тому
Thanks
@joebrown9621
@joebrown9621 2 дні тому
They're not the only ones trying to make a viable BEV haul truck nothing yet.. decarbonize mining.. let me get this straight their going to use diesel equipment in a high strip ratio mine plus 50% production loses to make BEV haul truck which the gentleman wanted to say is going to be less productive and it's decarbonization 🤨 right..
@oddjobsandrandomprojects
@oddjobsandrandomprojects 2 дні тому
So what solution are you suggesting?
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