ik you joking but what was the actual amount of apps you had to download and why?

@@economicblast They are being silly, but the actual number is about 6x charging apps, and 1x for plugshare to find them. Note there is some overlap in apps where one will let you pay for multiple others.

​@@economicblastit was 5 for us when I rented an EV.

Agreed, same here. They need to make it easier if they ever want them to catch on. High tech solutions aren't always necessary.

I daily drive an EV and only have 3 apps. Plugshare, Chargepoint, and Shell Recharge I dont even need shell recharge, as chargepoint will activate those stations.

Can't believe governments think this is better than building trains and public transportation 🚝🛤🚋

I feel for renters and condo owners. But nothing beats never having to visit one if you charge at home.

The gasoline company selling to you maintain their pumps so they can make money. If the government puts their fingers in it, it will fail.

costco and sam's pumps are always broken.

oh no. it makes you just as upset. if not more because sometimes you are stranded or face extreme range anxiety. no fun. lol

And even then, you can go inside the store to pay for the fill up

I may be stating the obvious but is it possible the magnetic strip on the card needs to face the other way. On the vid itwas always facing the same way (toward the machine) It is counter intuitive but sometimes the reader needs the mag stripe facing away from the machine

@@mpodolsky11 she said she tried the card every which way

If you’re actually curious - it’s literally just unreliable confirmation of payment from terminal vendors (NAYAX being a big player) From unacceptable network latencies which time-out the charger, to disagreements on the application of the currently non-standardized charger output initialization. This is why DCFCs prefer you pay through their app as that gives them much more granular control of the process. OCPP 2.0.x is looking to address the issue of OEMs using separate networks and requiring their own apps.

Just buy Tesla no credit card involved lol

Get a Tesla, works much better.

With 50 kW charging? Must have taken you a couple weeks or more.

You obviously have lots of spare time, and tons of patience 😊

In a Bolt?!? You must be a masochist

Lol bro a bolt gets you like 160 on 80% charge. 😊 I use it for my daily commute to work and sometimes some day trips but never in my life for an extended trip that's crazy

That, and why are they breaking so often?

I would be okay with 5-7% broken, but not 30% out of order, that is ridiculous and unacceptable for people

if it's a place running chargers like from ChargePoint, perhaps they didn't keep the maintenance contract going. a lot of the larger companies are waiting on replacing existing hardware with a newer generation rather than fixing the old units. then you run into parts availability too.

@@RyanWilliams222 pay attention to gas station pumps. they break too, but there are just so many of them around, one just moves on to the next pump and/or station and doesn't really notice.

It's not profitable

You are correct. Also the locking tab pulls down and out necessitating keeping a wooden stick to prop up the plug handle.

The Tesla charger is also CCS (NACS - which is CCS1), the big chargers you're seeing in the video are CCS2. That's why Tesla chargers can only charge up to 350kW, usually 250kW to be safe... CCS2 which is common everywhere outside the US in the rest of the world including Europe, Asia etc can charge up to 700kW safely even from home (especially since most countries use three phase 220-250v at home from standard sockets). Essentially Americans need charging stations, the rest of the world can fast charge at home (if you have a regular socket on your drive or garage) and so the bulkier connectors aren't such a big problem and the hit to the electricity grid is much more evenly distributed.

@@thomascrabtree You are drunk. Go home.

@@holmiumh Sorry you don't like facts

@@thomascrabtree Nobody is charging at 700kw

I wouldn’t be baffled if every charger would ask different apps.

This. EV snobs are privileged elitists who think single family home ownership is the norm.

My complex has four chargers and they are often out of service. The management calls and response from the operators is slow.

Only the realities for non Tesla owners

Or even if you were renting a house. You can't rewire a house you are renting unless you are leaving the charger if you move.

Precisely

Everyone gaining access to Superchargers makes non-Tesla EVs a non-issue.

@@anthonyc8499 Hopefully that will be the case eventually... probably about 2+ years down the road. Currently the number of Tesla SCs available to non-Tesla vehicles is pretty limited, but slowly expanding. For instance, if you go to the Tesla charging map, it only shows 2 non-Tesla chargers available in California. So it's currently still quite an issue and will take some time to implement.

closed proprietary systems are almost always better in these early development stage situations. same reason why apple is so much more optimized since even the beginning days

​@anthonyc8499 Rather, it will once the other cars actually start coming with NACS plugs and Tesla actually enables their full network to other cars. I'm personally looking to get a Model Y after the Juniper redesign, and charging is just one of several reasons it would best suit my needs.

The problem there is that they have to know what they’re looking for to notice. That is… knowing the maximum DCFC rate of your car which I’m guessing you have to Google when you do a rental.

Sometimes that is the car though, if it has a cold battery, it will limit too.

So many were broken she didn't even get to that part. Also, I doubt she knows what derating is

EVs are for around town errands or commute, not long distance travel… you pick the wrong use case

Nah if you buy a Tesla there are none of these issues and it’s much cheaper to operate than a gas/ICE car. This whole video was about non-Tesla chargers.

@@angy97 ICEs work for town errands AND long distance travel. There's no need for a specific use case.

@@angy97Not so. In CA, they’re planning on banning sales of gas cars in the near future.

Yeah, after 100 years of ICE cars and being born into a world where there are 20 megawatt fuel dispensers at every intersection sure does make life easy.

it's ridiculous that 30% of chargers are out of order, how are people supposed to use them

​@@danielzhang1916they don't care. Teslas network is great because without it you can't use their cars. The other companies got paid by the government to install chargers, whether they work or not is not their problem, they got paid.

And it never will because they don't make money from them being operational

I believe many of the chargers are owned by individuals so they might not have the resources to keep them all fixed if they aren’t making a lot of money

Starting Friday, dockworkers in all Swedish ports will refuse to offload Teslas, cleaning crews will no longer clean showrooms, and mechanics won’t fix charging points as the labor dispute rages on.

maybe when people were still using horses. LOL

Good thing there have been decades and decades of people driving cars so you don't have to be inconvenienced!

@@kng128 good thing we have early adopters to suffer through this so I can get it when all the problems are resolved

@@igvc1876 In my area there are 6kw chargers all over. At the doctor’s office, city hall, libraries, public pay-to-park lots, playgrounds, driving range, across the street from my office, more down the street. Extremely convenient. I can early adopt because in 2009 my wife and I paid off our cars. We’ve been putting “car payments” money into brokerage account since. We don’t take loans for cars anymore.

And if they are not working, the car will tell you ahead of time, very often at the stall level.

Never not once have I ever

Car owner and builder 30 plus years. Not once have had a pump issue. Amazing eh?

Wait until next year💀

​@@Cryaboutmyhandleyou are so amazing that you own a car and can build them

Tesla is a beast when it comes to charging that’s their USP

Same. I have to believe that people who purchase non-Tesla EVs did so while being mislead about the charging situation. No one willingly buy into such an unreliable system like that. It’s not wonder virtually every EV manufacturer other than Tesla is struggling.

Yep, never an issue with Tesla and the supercharging network. Can’t wait until other cars have the NACS connector *and* work at a Tesla Super Charger! We’ll all have congestion problems but at least we’ll be able to buy an EV Truck that doesn’t look like a DeLorean on steroids.

@@PNWeBikeyeah the old reason I bought a Bolt was because the plan was to never use it for roadtrips (charge at home). Second car is a Tesla Model Y of course haha

Yes, many other vehicles will be able to use the Tesla chargers = longer wait times for Tesla owners.

What's it like destroying the environment and acting like you arent?

I've seen some insane lines for chargers here in my city, the bottleneck with charging times is pretty crazy. This generation of evs are not generally green unless you put some serious miles on the original battery. Then its marginal. The heavy mining required to source and process the raw materials is shocking and largely ignored when calculating how green they are. Not to mention the forced child labor and slavery associated with many of the sources. Kind of weird how many of my fellow liberals dont care that the price of their car is a result of child slavery and tax payer subsidy. The vehicles weigh a ton, you burn tires more than 2x as fast (which is a key source of carcinogens and pollutants in our air and water), the level of infrastructure development is going to be insane when you realize the energy we get from fuel is now going to need to be fed through the existing grid. We will need a level of infrastructure to support this that people don't understand because they aren't electrical engineers. Look at the cost and industrial effort behind building, installing, and maintaining just one transformer. Or the cost for just one mile of transmission lines. It's incredible. Evs are primarily a way for governments to pretend they are "taking action" without actually doing anything or offending their rich donors. They can put these costs on the taxpayer and average person instead of addressing where the massive power usage is actually happening. It's the people with lots of money and power who do what they want and don't care.

A electric car is more efficient and the natural gas is more efficient to make. We can also convert to renewables. @@Cryaboutmyhandle

@@CryaboutmyhandleWhat’s like creating pollution in the air?

@@carlosarriaga7428 how is 50 tons of ore for one battery with a 7 year shelf life. That needs fossil fuel to be build charged and maintained, better for the environment?

hmm remember when someone would say "why would i need to buy this liquid to put into an automobile when I can just feed my horse some grass/hay?" yup, that's what you sound like.

@@khoa2610 Perfect.

Good option until the system irons out its problems.

Same here, gas re-fuelling is soooo quick and reliable - it’s the future! 👍🏻

5 minutes? You really like to take your time. I'm out in just 3 minutes. Gas filling is far more reliable and faster than EV's. EV's only work for people that can charge at home and even that's a joke. Imagine having to plug in your car every night when you get home. I prefer a wireless solution... gas!

That's ridiculous. Imagine going to a gas station and then requiring you to bring your own hose

Or going to a restaurant and having to bring your own utensils, 😂

The plug in on charger would get high mate and de-mate and need to be replaced.

@@colinm1502 and how is that different to the plug on a charger cable getting many mate/de-mate cycles? Either way, it's a wear item that's going to need replacing every so often.

@@thedopplereffect00 or having a cable to plug your phone/laptop/appliances to a wall socket.

They don't make money selling electricity, they make money collecting government grants to install the cheapest option

This creates a monopoly though that’s the concern.

so, they no longer like money right? and they're asking to be Disrupted someone should grant them their wish

@@gund89123 To an extent. Tesla is selling its hardware globally (so far have made 2 UK deals), however, there are competitors. In the US, for NACS, it's an open patent for all to use freely. Tesla is also outsourcing its plugs production in order to not make it a US monopoly. Anyone can make the NACS plug, despite Elon personally owning the patent.

Quick answer is - nobody interested in maintaining those chargers, as (almost) nobody profits. Tesla profits albeit indirectly, so their chargers are maintained.

Compared to how many gasoline stations that has 90% of their pumps working Plus it seldom takes more than 5 minutes to fill your tank And get at least 350 miles driving range And in almost every city, there is a gas station every mile

Yes, I love ICE too. No problems like EV's. But, some day, EV's will get it right and we can switch without the head aches. ... give it 20 years.

Yeah, it will NEVER happen. Think Android and it's hundreds of different manufactures that use that software. It's why app makers hate making apps for android - it'll work on one brand, but not another. That will never be resolved unless each brand gives up its reason for existing in the first place...

@@ThomasGlynnJr Bad analogy for a couple reasons. Android isn't a standard, it's an operating system and a moving target. Android, despite not being a standard, is hugely popular and the dominant mobile OS. A better comparison for charging communication protocols would be other standardised communication protocols. Think IP, TCP, HTTP, HTTPS, TLS(SSL), ICMP, etc. All of these - and many more - were used to load this website, stream the video, and then publish your comment and notify me of it. They all have several implementors, and they all work well enough that they're fundamental to the internet and modern society.

You have to remeber every time a standard is made 2 more will be made to unify the standards XD

@@emeraldbonsai Ah yes the world post-late-capitalism, we are finally here.

@@broli123 Has zero to do with capitalism since CCS was politically motivated (which explains why it's such a mess).

The guy from the Motorcoach World channel also did a road trip this summer in an electric coach bus and had a similar experience.

Except for the Tesla chargers which were flawless. Don't wrap up Tesla in the legacy auto garbage.

Yeah, I'm surprised they completely forget to mentioned that in the video

@@CodyDavis91 Chicago, Chicago, not teslas kind of town! Not when it's cold anyway.

Repeatedly fast charging decreases battery life, far better to slow charge at home

@@VoltLover00 we charged for a long time at one kilowatt with regular 110 volt AC power. Not very practical unless you have 2 days to recharge your EV after a long battery draining trip. We upgraded to 7 kW charging now. Much more useful, still not what I would consider fast charging compared to 150W or 250W Tesla superchargers.

If you can't charge at home, don't buy an EV. not worth the drama

Charging at home is really the way to go. 66% of housing units in the US have a garage or driveway. For those people an EV would be easy to own and live with.

As for the Charging At Home situation Just you wait and see when your house become Uninsurable because of owning those 4 wheeled Crematoriums.

It really isn't complicated at all. The communication even has a dedicated set of wires

@@thedopplereffect00 Right!!!!

There's also the fact that a gas station is a way simpler device than a charging station, it's basically just a hose and a pump, so much more rare for it to break down.

​@@noseboop4354pumps are fast more complex than you realize because of saftey issues with flammable liquids. EV charger companies only exist to collect government cheese on the initial install money

Never had my dishwasher leave me stranded on the road, and she looks gorgeous with bed hair in the morning.

Yeah Spain seems to be a long way behind on charger installation. I hope to see that improve soon as I'd love to drive an electric camper down there, and I'm not sure how good an idea that is yet.

@ErikGeurts How come Canada doesn't have the same issues? It is really simple, America tends to resist progress with all its might. EV sales other than Tesla and a few others are poor, because the car the dealer doesn't want to sell is the EV. EV would likely put Dealerships out of business. When it comes to charging stations, there are some simple reasons there are so many problems: Costs, Costs and costs. It cost Tesla about 1/5 what it costs other companies to install a Charging Station... there are a variety of reasons for this. The other issue is maintenance, this is really difficult because you need trained staff and you need a number of stations to justify having staff and etc. If maintenance is contracted out to 3rd Party, they aren't likely to drop what they are doing to address the issue and so on. The biggest issue is cost, but it is not really just about how much. The problem is that companies were making EVs and doing nothing to support the expansion of the charging network. 80% of EV owners charge at home, so this created a supply v demand issue. The chargers were available but they spent most of the time unused. Basically, I'm saying there was no coordination. Now that the Government(s) have bought into the EV transition there is more coordination, but still not enough. They have allocated some $$$ but where is the coordination?? This is the problem and it isn't likely to be fixed anytime soon, so this is why Tesla / NACS was the only hope. Tesla simply asks/voting its users where they would like a station put and there it goes. Tesla to the rescue, but there is a problem.... Government doesn't really support NACS as the standard yet, hopefully this will change soon.

As a European I cannot even remember when it was the last time I actually had to swipe a card. That means they are really still using the magnetic strip there. Which is of course prone to be unreliable. Seems like a wonder they are not using embossed cards and coal paper any more. 🤣

@@tonespeaks evs won't be putting dealerships out of business. They will put people out it cars minus the elites.

@@tonespeaks Canada absolutely has the same issues that the US does, as demonstrated by any EV reviews done by The Straight Pipes.

@@JamesR1986 Sorry, but i must strongly disagree. EV adoption in provinces like Quebec are high and there is a pretty healthy EV community in Canada. In Quebec you can even charge on the street, at Lightposts.

maybe should have thought about it before buying an EV

@@igvc1876 that’s exactly why I bought a PHEV but not a EV lolllllll, btw a quick update our university recently installed 10 more chargers

I drove to California and back three weeks ago and had zero problems with Tesla's supercharger network. And never once had to wait for a stall.

@@TrendyStone For now... but just imagine every car out there is EV and wanting to use that supercharger... let's see the world in 10 years.

@@COSMACELF1802 Supercharger stations are expanding at 30% per year. There are currently 280 new stations under construction and 547 stations awaiting permits, which will add to the existing 6,000 stations with 55,000 individual charging stalls.

Are uptimes really that good? I think it depends where you live. The UK is OK, but there are non-trivial numbers of chargers with problems although we are weeding out the bad networks so I think things are improving, but only just keeping up with the rate of adoption. The US does seem to be particularly bad for some reason.

@@xxwookey yup, I am sure. I work in the industry and am in this topic since 2008 :) Of course, there's always regional outliers... When calculating uptime on station level (all charging stations of one CPO at one location) we are indeed already at 96% and more. For modern HPC - Alpitronic and the like - we are indeed at 99%.

You lie. I rented an EV and drove in France last year. It was a horrible experience. What saved my bacon was being able to destination charge.

@@jeremyfink7805actually the situation in france greatly improved this year

You are living in a small country, which is probably not even half the size of orange County, and since it's Europe then I can assume only a few thousand people can afford to purchase an electric car(socialist economy) so you can't compare your country small scale in every aspects to the massive and enormous infrastructure size of USA and huge.number of EVs just in California which need to get charged on daily basis due to longer commuting!!!

Did you watch the video? NACS is still untested for non-vertically-integrated scenarios.

all the automakers are switching to Tesla standard, it's about time everyone gets on the same page

@@crftr-com yep and it's very controlled currently for CCS-1 vehicles with Tesla's own Magic Dock. The payment and authentication methods for how it'll work with adapters is still unclear.

MMmmmm

Who? Who asked? Not what this story is about

Cyber block? Ah you can be the envy of the lamest

You know, I think they just know how to do software in the House of Elon! The app is a big part of my Starlink system and it is awesome, trouble-free, and has gotten better over time! 😎✌️

Same with evgo have autocharge, just plug in and it use account info with Vin to charge

there is a standard for plug & charge payments, as part of ISO 15118. Cars like the Ford Mach-E, Porsche Taycan and Lucid Air etc. support this and have this similar experience at EVGo and EA. Tesla and Rivian currently don't support this standard (their plug & charge protocols are proprietary), but they may be compelled to in the future by way of federal regulation.

@@gus473Software? Maybe. Talk to me when the car doors can open in cold weather.

99.97% actually ;)

@@sebastianorye2702 lol thank you for the correction!

It's happening organically. Everyone is adopting Tesla's NACS standard in 2025. CCS and CCS2 will die in the US. Not a moment too soon!

Because America is more concerned with who gets to have the monopoly and profiteer off of the entire system, rather than ensuring the system is standardized and reliable.

Go live in Europe then. See how much more you pay in taxes and see how heavily regulated your life is and how you wont be able to build and do whatever you want over there. Sure, you can drink in the parks and walk everywhere which is nice but do it.

There is a reason the EU can't compete on tech and doesn't have a strong venture capital culture. Ireland does pretty well but generally the EU is an over-regulated mess that stifles innovation. Thus...you buy iPhones and use Google, Instagram, etc. sending your money to US companies.

@@TrendyStone, capitalism stifles innovation, not regulation. You’re thinking of exploitation. Regulation does limit that.

they just show how bad alternatives in US are... Tesla charging network in China just one of the many and mediocre at best... Also, Tesla uses a different connector type (compatible with the Chinese GB/T standards for AC and DC charging)

I live with in the USA but drive to Canada and i had the issue of network apps being available only in Canadian app store and not available in the USA app store which my phone is set to. Presumably Canadian ev drivers in the USA will have this issue in reverse too. Fortunately there is a way to change the country app store on the iphone or so I hear, haven’t done that yet. Maybe on the next trip.

You missed the big one... government is making a lot of money from Gas Tax. They will soon lose that money and come after the EV owners for it (plus some more for their trouble).

A decade ago I was using Windows 7 and Windows XP...so...

Plugin hybrids are roughly ten years old. Fords C-Max was released roughly in 2012 with 600mile gas plus 30mile electric range to cover short daily commutes and long roadtrips. These vehicles were for overnight charging at home or at a hotel, but charging networks like ChargePoint came into existence at roughly the same time as Tesla's network. That said, they were originally mostly free with almost zero demand and mostly for employee, govt building, or mall use. And, the charging standards have slowly evolved and new tech like DC charging implemented. Now, many will need to switch again to the Tesla cable connector format.

yeah EVs are only at 8% market share, it could take years to reach at least 15-20%, we are way behind on building charging infrastructure, it's ridiculous that 30% of chargers are out of order, cost and other problems need to be resolved before the market will take off, I don't know if demand for EVs will ever reach 50%

@@andrewdiamond2697Really? Comparing car operating systems to Windows is like asking for the Blue Screen of Death while you’re on the highway …

When she said legacy I was like this is brand new tech.

Why would you think it would instantly work as good as Tesla cars with vehicles from other manufacturers. It's going to take a little time to figure out the best way to make this happen.

@@jerryinmon2731 I don't disagree, but not giving networks and automakers that same opportunity/time wouldn't be fair either. Based on what I've seen, of all the failures on the public charging providers, about a third are due to the provider and hardware, a third are due to the user, and the rest are due to the automaker/EV itself. Tesla currently doesn't have to deal with two of those issues at all, but when they finally do open to non-Tesla EVs, they will be dealing with all three. My main point here is that Tesla has a lot of work to do if they hope to even come close to providing the same level of service to everyone on their Superchargers as they currently provide to Tesla EV drivers. By the time they get around to that (as they no doubt will), the other charging providers will have also caught up or surpassed them.

But the difference is, Tesla will figure it out and software update all the superchargers to fix it at once, whereas Shell Recharge for instance doesn't even know they don't work, and doesn't care anyway.

@@brushlessmotoring Maybe, but we'll have to wait and see. Tesla's incentive for providing exemplary service really stops at their own customers. We've already seen this with "Magic Dock," where it is essentially just an attempt to tick a box so they can access public funds. Slower charging speeds, higher prices, etc. There's no reason to expect Tesla to treat their non-Tesla EV customers as well as they treat their Tesla EV customers.

@@newscoulomb3705 I just put up a quick video of non teslas at a super charger in Deep River Ontario - the Bolt user got his expected maximum charge speed of 75kWh and the F150 seemed to be working too. I know there were some issues with Ioniq 5 and EV6’s 800V system, but that may be common to other 800V systems on a 400V charger - I don’t disagree it’s going to be harder for Tesla, as they don’t control 3rd party car’s software, but hopefully NACS solves that in time too.

Also because the plateau of people that can charge at home is small and a lot of them already bought an EV. You simply can't get an EV without the ability to charge at home.

The issues only apply to non-Tesla charges.

@@That-Guy_ Yeah, but that's half the market. If there's a problem with half of an entire industry, that's significant.

@@That-Guy_Jeez, you can’t say anything about EVs without some Tesla/Elon fan boy barging in and saying something condescending and off topic.

@@WallyHays Just pointing out a fact. In the US there are 2 kinds of EVs, Tesla and everyone else. If only the other automakers had copied Tesla instead of looking down at them for so long.

@@That-Guy_ facts entirely unrelated to the comment you were replying to.

Mmmm

All of the stations you went to had working pumps. You just didn't want to wait in line

California is the state that lectures the other 49 but can't run itself. It has turned into a dumpster fire of a state. Great weather though! Just watch for the human feces on the street.

Yeah... but hopefully it will get better as companies are forced to standardize. EV plugs should all be the same. Imagine AC outlets were different in different states? LoL that's the EV market right now! what a joke. But I believe it will get better in 20 years. For now, I'm sticking to ICE... I don't want the problems of EV's.

Almost all EV manufacturers are going to Tesla’s NACS and will be able to use the Supercharger Network beginning in 2025. Soon after all the companies that have broken chargers will be bankrupt

@@SF1886 I truly hope you are right

There have been reported issues with a few automakers at those superchargers. I wouldn't say it works fine 100%.

Unfortunately the percentage of SuperChargers currently equipped with the Magic Dock CCS adapter is very small. Tesla’s plans for Magic Dock expansion are known only to them. There are other issues with nonTelsa EVs using the Magic Dock sites but that isn’t too surprising given that the Tesla network was designed exclusively for Teslas. They were not considering the needs of EVs at the time. If they intend to be an open public network they will need to.

Except Tesla's chargers can't charge non-Tesla's at full speed

Appreciate the feedback here.

@@VoltLover00never knew that. What speed do they charge non teslas at?

with tesla u wait in a 2 hour line instead 😂

it's a bigger problem for EVs because there are fewer chargers than gas pumps and it takes longer to charge than to fill up with gas.

@@hackman88 Yeah, I was being a bit sarcastic.

Oh yeah, that's a great idea - just when the population needs it. Like for an emergency or evacuation... 🙄

or you know just charge more during peak times?

The charging standard is at least a standard, albeit not an open one. Fuel pumps and card readers are nearly all proprietary too but they still manage to make them work reliably. Tesla's stuff is all just as proprietary as the rest of them. Their advantage is that they only have to deal with one sort of car and one payment provider. Not sure they will work that much better with all cars.

@@xxwookey The tesla style plug becoming the industry standard is the 1st domino to drop. This is basically what happened with the USB-C plug and Apple. But to your point, there shouldn't be issues with payment systems that have been around and functional for decades. They should also build in the capability of working with other companies because that will bring in more revenue when it comes to who can use what chargers... These are decisions based in capitalism not common sense. They should never be a problem.

I'm laughing at the whole stupidity and craziness of these EV conundrum. No one with gasoline fueled engines has these connections problems!!

@@oculosprudentium8486 To be fair that is a rather simpler interface: the nozzle has to fit in the hole (and the nozzle has a back-pressure autostop built in which is quite clever). Electricity needs a handshake between the charger and the car and an interlock on the connector. Which isn't that hard either, and both the Chademo spec and Tesla's all in-house implementation of CCS work fine, but 20 car companies and 30 charger companies seems to have managed to write subtly incompatible implementations of the protocol. Then there is a whole extra layer of payment systems. Not that many petrol/gas pumps have built-in payment devices, although again, when they do it's a solved problem. And none of them have apps you have to download to use them, which is just a terrible 'solution'.

@@oculosprudentium8486 It's not uncommon with tech. NO different that Apple finally giving in to the USB-C charger. Just has never affected cars like this. It will work itself out as the industry starts adopting standards. I just sucks that the consumers are the ones stuck.

This is already happening in 2025. All evs are going to teslas nacs charger