Three Body Problem (ULTRA DEEP DIVE) Netflix Vs Book Comparison

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@rebllll
@rebllll Місяць тому
Thanks, my lord. I will dehydrate until next video.
@dgodiex
@dgodiex Місяць тому
🤣
@NviGWarren
@NviGWarren Місяць тому
Rofl😂😂😂
@WilliamJames48
@WilliamJames48 Місяць тому
It's the same down here in Houston. Just roll me up and smoke me lol.
@danielpfaff1802
@danielpfaff1802 Місяць тому
😂
@Meilk27
@Meilk27 Місяць тому
lmao dude, this sent me
@jcwoodman5285
@jcwoodman5285 Місяць тому
What!!! 2 hours of 3 body talk, I'm re-hydrating for this!
@Bokmoh
@Bokmoh Місяць тому
If you survive we all survive
@lakishaalls-perkins8941
@lakishaalls-perkins8941 Місяць тому
😂 Best. Comment. EVER!
@lakishaalls-perkins8941
@lakishaalls-perkins8941 Місяць тому
@@Bokmoh haaaaa!
@rufangzhao555
@rufangzhao555 Місяць тому
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
@paulchaisson8301
@paulchaisson8301 Місяць тому
I'm just happy people are finally rememebering Hu Wen exists. Not because he is super important, but because it proves the show isn't making up things to pad for casting... all the people we're there. Some of the details got changed, and they're mixing things up here and there, but the core of the characters are still there. (Random aside, I am convinced Auggie is going to be the second Swordholder, since it will play better with her feelings over Judgement Day)
@ChengXin-fu2ih
@ChengXin-fu2ih Місяць тому
Isn't it Jin Cheng (Cheng Xin) that will be the second swordholder? What are the reasons that many think Auggie will be one? It is shown that Jin Cheng is naive and very attached emotionally on humanity, which the book Cheng Xin is a representation of empathic moral values of humanity after Deterrence Era, and she will be in contrast to Thomas Wade in his ideology of "Only Advance".
@paulchaisson8301
@paulchaisson8301 Місяць тому
@ChengXin-fu2ih In the book, Cheng Xin is indeed the second swordholder. But Wang Miao does not go to the future in the books. Nor do they spend much time with his guilt over making the nanowire that ultimately killed a bunch of people. Auggie feeling guilt over the Judgement day will mean that, if she holds the sword, when the time comes to use it to broadcast and ultimately doom even more people, she won't be able to. Cause it's either that or be Saul/Luo Ji's perfect waifu, but that feels like a waste of the character.
@Latesp
@Latesp Місяць тому
Funny name, who? when? Now that explains it, Jack Rooney also sounds funny.
@iksaglam
@iksaglam Місяць тому
Beware spoilers for the show and books below: Yes I agree that in the show they seem to be setting up auggie to be the second sword holder. They made a point to emphasize her value of humanity and helping those in need. They also set up bad blood between Auggie and Wade which also mirrors the rivalry of Cheng Xin and Wade in the books. It seems as if Auggie and Jin Cheng are gonna interchangably represent Cheng Xin and AA in the books.
@LoveMuse222
@LoveMuse222 Місяць тому
Nice one! I thought that would be Jin but you're right, Auggie seems a good option. Also it seems she has something with Saul so that would make quite a scene.
@doctormoobbc
@doctormoobbc Місяць тому
If anyone is interested, here's the actual Einstein joke explained: > So, Einstein dies. He finds himself in heaven, and he has his violin. He's overjoyed. He loves his violin. More than physics. Even more than women. This introduction sets up Einstein as a representation of a civilization, with his violin symbolizing the civilization's technological capabilities and achievements. > He's excited to find out how well he can play in heaven. He imagines he'll be pretty damn good. So he starts tuning up, and the angels rush at him. "What are you doing?" they say. "I'm getting ready to play." "Don't do that. God won't like it." "He's a saxophonist." Einstein's eagerness to showcase his musical abilities in heaven mirrors a civilization's desire to demonstrate its advancements and make its presence known in the universe. The angels' warning not to play because "God won't like it" suggests that revealing one's capabilities to a superior civilization can lead to unfavorable consequences. > So Einstein stops. He doesn't play, but it's difficult. He loves music, and there's actually not much to do in heaven. And sure enough, from high above, he hears a saxophone. It's playing "Take the A Train." Despite the warning, Einstein struggles with the temptation to engage with the superior civilization (God), much like how a less advanced civilization might be tempted to initiate contact or compete with a more advanced one. > So he starts playing "Take the A Train." The saxophone stops, and God appears. He marches over to Einstein and kicks him in the balls, which hurts, even in heaven. Then he smashes Einstein's beloved violin to bits. When Einstein gives in to temptation and starts playing, God swiftly retaliates by causing him pain and destroying his violin. This represents the potential consequences of a less advanced civilization revealing its presence and capabilities to a superior one, resulting in its destruction. > Eternity without music. Heaven has become hell for Einstein. And, as he writhes on the ground, holding his smashed balls, an angel comes over and says, "We warned you." "Never play with God." The punishment inflicted upon Einstein serves as a warning to other civilizations: "Never play with God," or in other words, never attempt to engage or compete with a superior civilization, as doing so can lead to dire consequences and the loss of everything they hold dear. The joke, as told by Ye Wenjie, is a cautionary tale about the risks of revealing one's presence and capabilities in a universe where the intentions of other civilizations are unknown, as described by the dark forest theory in cosmic sociology. It emphasizes the importance of maintaining silence and avoiding contact with potentially hostile civilizations to ensure survival.
@JusAnIdea
@JusAnIdea Місяць тому
I'm so glad someone else brought this up - felt I was going crazy that no one has been talking about how it's an analogy for the Dark Forest!
@AllTheArtsy
@AllTheArtsy Місяць тому
Ah, I just commented this but more concisely. I was shocked Quinn thought it was irrelevant when it was a pretty obvious reference to the Dark Forest.
@fieryfirevivin
@fieryfirevivin Місяць тому
She definitely ain't gonna be popular in stand up comedy that's for sure
@flyingurchin
@flyingurchin Місяць тому
I loved that they turned the cosmic sociology primer into a good, bad Einstein joke. When I watched, I thought she was going to go into the whole axioms thing after the joke, but instead it was a mic drop.
@jason-jones
@jason-jones Місяць тому
@@fieryfirevivin Yeah, I agree, thought the fact it wasn't funny was a huge clue. This specific scene is better in the book.
@scottschauer7088
@scottschauer7088 Місяць тому
I just spent the last few nights watching almost all of your three body videos. Incredible. New fan of Quinn. Such brilliant summary of the whole story. Amazing breakdown of concepts. This is quality.
@3373just
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That was me a few months back! Lots of great content on this channel to binge on!!! 💥
@ucnguyen6375
@ucnguyen6375 Місяць тому
About the ETO raid, in the book, the girl that Tatatina may took the role of threatens to kill everyone with a mini nuke if they don't let Ye Wenji go. Dai Shi called it bullshit then one guy in his team toss her some scale, the first 2 "bombs" did nothing, but the third one makes it tip, that guy stops smirking. Dai Shi immediately come up with a plan, he tells the girl that they have found her mother, when she is distracted, he shoot the bomb, thus neutralizing it. When asked how he know about her mother, Shi said that he know jack shit about it, but people like her definitely lack a mother in their life.
@Kingbimmy
@Kingbimmy Місяць тому
Da Shi is by far the best character in the books. I wish there could’ve been a way for him to be in all three books 😭❤️ And yeah, I don’t think people are realizing that Tatiana is supposed to represent Shen Yufei, from the Frontiers of Science group. She’s basically the recruiter just like Shen, she’s sly and conniving like her, and sneaks around, getting away with stuff mysteriously like Shen too. The main differences are that Tatiana is seen doing more gruesome shit (killing Jack), and very clearly is going to serve a purpose in the next season and is actually favored by the trisolarans after they had decided to cut off humans. They both have a very cruel and cold mind though, and have no real family other than the cult group they are a part of. (Shen has a husband, but in the book it even states that there’s no real passion or love in their relationship.)
@levelup2014
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This is one of those divine interventions, I literally got into science fiction yesterday night because of this guy, I couldn’t sleep because I stayed up the night before messing my sleep schedule, so I was wide awake at 2am and somehow UKposts recommended me a 4.5 hour video of the TBP sci-fi series and thought “ahh what the hell” finished that one video in one sitting snuggled up under my covers letting my mind go wild, I just ordered the series of Amazon and am looking for more into sci-if novels, so thanks!
@ryan555.3
@ryan555.3 Місяць тому
I had this experience a year ago. You won’t regret delving deeper!
@Meilk27
@Meilk27 Місяць тому
welcome aboard man. check out DUNE! ASAP~
@yashen12345
@yashen12345 Місяць тому
yooooo thats nuts, i did this exact same thing a few months ago. ruined my sleep schedule but didnt regret it at all.
@Temerold_se
@Temerold_se Місяць тому
If you enjoy Cixin Liu's hard sci-fi, I recommend that you also read Peter Watt's "Firefall" duology, starting with "Blindsight". I really enjoyed the "Remembrance of Earth's Past" trilogy ("The Three-Body Problem" series), but I prefer "Blindsight" over all of them. Happy reading!
@franzfrikadelli6074
@franzfrikadelli6074 Місяць тому
Good luck on the ride. And one hell of a ride it is :D
@daarionaharis664
@daarionaharis664 Місяць тому
People really complaining about swear words and marijuana? That’s about as silly as it gets lol
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry Місяць тому
Right? 😂 Such Boomer energy jeez
@AllTheArtsy
@AllTheArtsy Місяць тому
i dont even hear that complaint lol not sure where he got that
@JoeSchmoer
@JoeSchmoer Місяць тому
@@KabbalahSherry zoomers are the new boomers. They're even bringing back prudishness.
@chrisb7528
@chrisb7528 Місяць тому
He's reading an anecdotal comment then laughing at his fans then quoting the book. Rinse and repeat. People and mainstream media do that with anecdotal tweets all the time.
@pumpuppthevolume
@pumpuppthevolume 23 дні тому
they should watch the boys lol
@LMarti13
@LMarti13 Місяць тому
the "I can't believe Saul smokes weed" is fucking hilarious given who the character is. I cannot fucking wait for season 2 when he goes FULL hedonist, I remember laughing at the Luo Ji sections in the book so many times, it's gonna be even funnier in the show
@aegyo9272
@aegyo9272 Місяць тому
And i wait for *SPOILER*......Zhang Beihai/Raj grabbed a ship and ran away into deepspace like a coward. Lol... his character was so strong before that.
@LoveforAaronBushnell
@LoveforAaronBushnell Місяць тому
Has a taste of 'not liking that he's a black man' and everything that goes with that!!
@DDoubleEDouble
@DDoubleEDouble Місяць тому
I forget that some people (especially in Asian countries) still believe all the propaganda about weed lmao
@scottwatrous
@scottwatrous Місяць тому
​​@@aegyo9272see I appreciated the pragmatism of dipping out. And that was always his MO. It's not like he was a badass who ran away, he was a badass in order to run away.
@edgbarra
@edgbarra Місяць тому
​@@aegyo9272I disagree about the coward thing. It was the best option at the time. Thanks to that humanity survives outside the solar system
@kennethyu3950
@kennethyu3950 Місяць тому
Also this is a really random thing but Changing "Trisolarans" to "The San Ti" has the added benefit of making the title of the first book hit harder. Because "San Ti" = "Three Body". So the title "Three Body Problem" now refers both to the difficult astronomical conditions of the Trisolaran homeworld, and to the fact that earth "Has a problem with the San Ti"
@IronKurone
@IronKurone Місяць тому
Trisolar also means three body I think.
@kennethyu3950
@kennethyu3950 Місяць тому
@@IronKurone naw, Tri Solar is “Three Sun.” It’s a good, sci-fi-sounding translation that focuses on what the bodies in the problem actually are, but you still lose the play on words.
@IronKurone
@IronKurone Місяць тому
@@kennethyu3950 Okay thats fair.
@HY-vz3ks
@HY-vz3ks Місяць тому
@@kennethyu3950 we do refer to stars as astronomical "bodies"?
@TheChronozoan
@TheChronozoan Місяць тому
​@HY-vz3ks Don't be pedantic. Yes they are celestial bodies but solar applies to exactly one type, thus the name.
@wetteryan
@wetteryan Місяць тому
Episode 5 was a BANGER. My 2 favorite sequences from the first book in 1 episode. The nanowire boat scene and the sophons being built scene. I was worried how they would be handled on screen and I was happy with both. The sophons scene was done much better in the book and I wish the show went more in depth with it. Like how in the book it goes into all the failed attempts and stuff. But I was still happy with how they handled it. The nanowire scene with judgement day however was done better on screen than it was in the book. I like how they didn't hold back on the brutality and it felt more impactful emotionally because in the book it is kind of just breezed over and never mentioned again. I really do enjoy this season overall. I am very excited to see how they are gonna handle the droplet attack and possibly even the dimension strike if they take the show that far.
@fieryfirevivin
@fieryfirevivin Місяць тому
That scene didn't make sense at all. They could have swarmed in and captured the adults and left the children. But they commit brutal murder by using the nano fiber
@lunajka
@lunajka Місяць тому
​@@fieryfirevivinWade and Da Shi actually discuss the idea of sending in some small unit of soldiers into the ship (this idea is brought up in the book as well), but this would give Evans and his people time to destroy the drive. using the nanofibers took so little time and caused so much chaos that before Evans even realized what was going on, it was already too late to do anything.
@fieryfirevivin
@fieryfirevivin Місяць тому
@@lunajka Doesnt make any sense whatsoever. A recon operation would have taken care of that. It doesnt make sense that they annhiliate the children on board as well. which is sick and pointless The nano fiber was so slow as well. if they could destroy that technology( which is again weird of how it got to earth faster than the san-ti) the guy easily would have . I liked the show. but its got tons of plot holes
@xHarpyx
@xHarpyx Місяць тому
I really hope they do the droplet attack well. As for the nanowire, my bf said, "Couldn't they have just cut the bottom?" He watched it with me knowing nothing of the books and only some of the basics.
@kevone-eo6pq
@kevone-eo6pq Місяць тому
if you read the books it will explain it so much better than the show does.@@fieryfirevivin
@pencilwriter1411
@pencilwriter1411 Місяць тому
Really nice comparison, one small correction @34:19. The image is that of Nataraj at CERN. Natraj is Shiva doing what is called the Tandava dance. As given on the CERN website: "In the Hindu religion, this form of the dancing Lord Shiva is known as the Nataraj and symbolises Shakti, or life force. As a plaque alongside the statue explains, the belief is that Lord Shiva danced the Universe into existence, motivates it, and will eventually extinguish it. Carl Sagan drew the metaphor between the cosmic dance of the Nataraj and the modern study of the 'cosmic dance' of subatomic particles."
@TheNeo349
@TheNeo349 Місяць тому
That is why the episode is titled "Destroyer of worlds". Shiva assumes the Nataraj form when he destroys existence. Nice symbolism there.
@Shinji2787
@Shinji2787 Місяць тому
Regarding Saul being Luo Ji, Luo Ji was also described as a one-night-stand kind of guy. I wanted to use the word womanizer but that might be too harsh a description. I also didn’t realize Saul would be manifesting Luo Ji until the last few episodes but his outlook on life and overall demeanor in the whole Netflix show are almost one-to-one Luo Ji’s described traits leading up to his nomination as a Wallfacer in hindsight.
@ArbitraryConstant
@ArbitraryConstant Місяць тому
I think the Einstein part of the joke does have some relevance, in that it gives a hint for the interpretation. It helps triangulate the point. Make noise and you'll get killed, with fermi's paradox and game theory explaining how and why you'll get killed.
@keagancollins3243
@keagancollins3243 Місяць тому
Really enjoyed the show. 3 Body Problem was already on my reading list but now it has moved all the way up to next in line
@Kraken9911
@Kraken9911 Місяць тому
I envy you. You can only read something for the first time once. I average about 20-30 books a year and this trilogy went straight to my top 5 favorite.
@adams303
@adams303 Місяць тому
Glad to see this channel growing. Undoubtedly one of my favourite UKposts channels to listen to. Thanks for all your content. Keep up the good work.
@EazySDJ
@EazySDJ Місяць тому
Thanks as always for a great video. I was disappointed with the omission of Manuel Rey Diaz as his Wall Facer plan, his character , backstory and Humanity’s reaction to his plan was so intriguing and savage. Maybe his plan will be adapted to another of the Wall Facers in the next series though.
@peefly9566
@peefly9566 Місяць тому
yes,Manuel Rey Diaz is a very key wall facer, I think Netflix deleted him because he was fighting with US🤣
@levischorpioen
@levischorpioen Місяць тому
How do we know that's the Wallfacer they deleted? @@peefly9566
@njm2981
@njm2981 Місяць тому
I think Rey Diaz will be one of the adapted wallfacers. Bill Hines seems to be the one that was cut, though I hope the mental seal shows up in another context.
@emrahny
@emrahny Місяць тому
They may put Rays role to Kurdish lady Leyla. Second season
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry Місяць тому
​@@njm2981- Meh, I don't think we need the mental seal tbh. 🤔 How crucial was that to the main story really?? How did it end up affecting anything, re: the San Ti??
@HRLastro
@HRLastro Місяць тому
I liked both the tencent and netflix version. I love the books, so obviously I would've loved it, if it was scene to scene but it wouldn't have worked for the show. I don't have any problem with the slow pacing of the first book so I don't mind tencent 3B (30 or 26 ep) About the netflix 3BP: cramming 30 ep worth of content in 8 ep is hard. It was too slow and too fast at few places. It does let the audience breathe and doesn't let the audience think about the gravity of the situation. I think it would've been better if it was 10 ep instead. But I think they did a good job with adapting something that hard to translate on the screen. I would've liked it if the characters were not familiar with each other at the beginning and they slowly starts to bond. As it feels weird that all the saviours of the world knew each other and belonged to the same friend group. It reduces the scope of the series.
@OWlsfordshire
@OWlsfordshire Місяць тому
Yeah, the friend group is my biggest complaint with the show. It makes it feel like a CW superhero teen show. So ridiculous that they all got picked as the saviours of the world.
@ChibaBanana
@ChibaBanana Місяць тому
@@OWlsfordshire Atleast its not as boring and sleep inducing like Tencent version. Media is suppose to be entertaining, not a propaganda or cringe compilation.
@cybersnap6072
@cybersnap6072 Місяць тому
Augustine honestly seemed way more like Cheng Xin to me than Jin. I can tell because I absolutely loathed her
@TheTinKunt
@TheTinKunt Місяць тому
Love your take Quinn- you are objective and fair and also cool-headed. It’s so refreshing to hear from someone else who loves the books but didnt come to this adaptation expecting a 1:1 and appreciate ALL the adaptations for bringing different things to the table. I honestly feel better after listening to this video because I thought I was the only one in the world thinking the same as you and thought I was going crazy. Thanks for all you do !
@jonasgreen1918
@jonasgreen1918 Місяць тому
My only real complaint with the show is that some of the shows of San-ti power, like the “you are bugs” scene are a bit too overblown and make it kinda hard to understand why the san-ti can’t just take over already or completely destroy humanity without even having the fleet show up. I felt like in the books the shows of power were still very impressive, but were very clearly within the power of the sophons. Some of the events in show arguably really shouldn’t be within the power of the sophons, at least from my interpretation and make the power seem kinda hand-wavey.
@franzfrikadelli6074
@franzfrikadelli6074 Місяць тому
100% agree. they buffed the sophons too much and created polt holes.
@Unitos_
@Unitos_ Місяць тому
The fact that they can take over airplanes and cars pretty much means transportation goes 100 years.
@Ytremz
@Ytremz Місяць тому
I liked the buffs! I didn't see anything that would theoretically be out of scope for the capabilities of a multidimensional hypercomputer 😂
@putty-e2872
@putty-e2872 Місяць тому
@@Ytremz This creates a plot hole of "why doesn't it hack a factory to produce terminators?" Essentially, it would result in a different movie where the alien could terraform Earth from a distance before the arrival of the main fleet.
@Ytremz
@Ytremz Місяць тому
@@putty-e2872 I had the same thought too, but I was able to explain away these potential plot-holes fairly easily / plausibly. Essentially, the buffs allow the sophons to induce 'strategic chaos' in existing tech, as we see in this first season, but logistically, they would still likely need humans to do anything more than that. The more complex the scheme for the sophons to bypass these obstacles (sourcing materials, new fabrication processes, inventory / resource management, shipping, etc.) the more likely their plans would be to get detected by humans and shut down.
@andyearhart494
@andyearhart494 Місяць тому
Dude, just found your channel a few weeks ago. Love your deep dives. Keep up the amazing work.
@FigmentForever
@FigmentForever Місяць тому
You are the reason for my obsession with this series of books. I’ve been a subscriber for a decent while (off & on since YT keeps removing my subscriptions to several content creators I enjoy!) I listened to every video on your playlist when I wanted a refresher for this series & am so incredibly thankful for finding a kindred spirit who loved the Netflix adaptation as much as myself. Thank you for also comparing characters to their counterparts in the novel, as I was able to see most but needed help remembering the 1st book better. Superb as always!
@orthojeff1245
@orthojeff1245 Місяць тому
Excellent deep dive on my favorite books of all time! One thing you said was that the raid at the ETO meetup was more action-heavy in the show to make it more watchable, but it actually was a very action heavy scene in the book - actually even more than the show. In the book, Ye Wenjie had Pan executed by having one of her bodyguards break his neck...then when the raid happened, one of the bodyguards was holding a mini-nuclear device. Da Shi fired a round into it causing it to have a miniature detonation, and there was a big shootout to follow. I believe it's implied that the explosion caused Da Shi to get radiation poisoning, which was one of the reasons he went into hibernation (there was no cure in the present). Overall I think they did the scene pretty well, but clearly they were saving the budget for the incredible sequence in Ep. 5. Just my thoughts - keep up the great work!
@shanecurtis8062
@shanecurtis8062 Місяць тому
Love your work mate, it was your original 3 body problem video a couple of years ago that finally pushed me over the edge to go and read the series last year. Loved the Netflix adaption and hope those new to the series gravitate to your channel and not all the johnny come lately channels trying to get it on the action now the series has reached a wider audience.
@ChaoLiu36
@ChaoLiu36 Місяць тому
Thank you so much for the stream. It’s so hard to find something like this in Chinese internet, too many haters spamming false information.
@andrewmarceau422
@andrewmarceau422 Місяць тому
Just finished your mega compilation video- my lord.. well done. Really makes me want to read the series! I couldnt wait for the show to come out- and have just begun it- but so tempted to read it all now. Thanks for taking the time. So impressive.
@jpsmota
@jpsmota Місяць тому
I read this series years ago and I was so sad at how hard it was to find in-depth conversations about it! Now I have found your channel and I am so, so, so grateful. I feel very similarly to how you do regarding the Netflix series! I really think the development of the characters, as well as the excellent acting, elevated them and added an extra dimension (hehe) to the story, and I appreciate how they added diversity to the main cast while preserving the nationalities that are actually meaningful to the story and the characters, like Ye Wenjie and Mike Evans, and also Sophon taking on an Japanese appearance... I do miss the sense of scope of the books, both the scope in space but especially the scope in time -- but then I can just reread the books to experience that again :) At any rate, thank you so much for your insightful, interesting videos on 3BP!
@excessivity
@excessivity Місяць тому
You are the very best thing on UKposts I haven’t even started the series yet, although I did watch both Chinese series. I’m enjoying watching your critique before starting .
@stephyworld8713
@stephyworld8713 Місяць тому
58:35 Dammm I completely forgot about that. That scene was so cool in the book, with the TriSolareans realizing they F*up and were about to be annihilated by the tiny civilization 😅
@johndavis3999
@johndavis3999 Місяць тому
1:49:03 "That's when you start to lose me, Emperor Potato" This quote just made my list of the best things Quinn has ever said
@djJaXx101
@djJaXx101 Місяць тому
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that makes sense! The Sophon was bending the light... I was confused about why the cop couldnt see that guy murdered against the window
@LoveforAaronBushnell
@LoveforAaronBushnell Місяць тому
Love this. Makes me want to rewatch the whole series...midway now. You're so smart and thoughtful quin.
@loganastrup6870
@loganastrup6870 Місяць тому
Really liked this first season. I’m almost done reading Deaths End so I’m really glad I at least started the 3rd book before watching the season. If they adapt season 2 and 3 well it will be amazing! I hope Netflix doesn’t give up on it like they did with 1899!
@FigmentForever
@FigmentForever Місяць тому
1899’s cancellation, after falling in love with Dark many years ago & being so obsessed with the husband/wife creator’s work, made me so viscerally angry. We better not lose 3BP too!
@CosmicCosmo1
@CosmicCosmo1 Місяць тому
Or raised by wolves. I was really sad when they cancelled that one
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry Місяць тому
​@@CosmicCosmo1- Raised by Wolves wasn't Netflix, it was HBO Max. But I was super bummed about their cancelation too. 😒🔥 Really pissed me off.
@DDoubleEDouble
@DDoubleEDouble Місяць тому
@@FigmentForeverthe sad thing is I had only watched one episode of 1899 before I saw the news that it was cancelled so I didn’t bother watching any more. Also Dark is incredible!! I occasionally go back a binge the entire series
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry Місяць тому
​​​​@@DDoubleEDouble- Even though it never got any further seasons... 1899 was still REALLY good as just one individual season, no joke! I would finish it! It ends with a really dope twist that I didn't see coming. 😌 It was so cool.
@Djangcro
@Djangcro Місяць тому
This channel is the reason I got in the books, and it was worth the read even the spon off was good. Cheers and thank you for recommending these awesome sifi books 🎉
@LegendofMicah
@LegendofMicah Місяць тому
Wow, thanks for putting together this long video. It was nice to listen to during a long work session.
@TrainerCTZ
@TrainerCTZ Місяць тому
A FANTASTIC real-time presentation! A very talented man.
@shinbi6009
@shinbi6009 Місяць тому
The netflix show doesn’t make you feel the existential dread the same way the book makes you feel and that feeling was deep. It touched my soul in a way I never felt before. In fact I didn’t feel it at all when watching the show. Other than that it is a good show.
@scottwatrous
@scottwatrous Місяць тому
I do know what you mean. I feel in part the first season had to unfortunately somewhat curtail the intensity of the dread in order to keep moving forward and get setup for season 2. If I had been show runner, I'd have leaned way more heavy into ending one of the early episodes with the DO NOT ANSWER part and really make that hit in the chest. That moment was the thing that stuck with me more than anything in the first book, and the series just laid it out and kept moving. And then the rest of the dread and uncertainty later on, once we knew about the sophons, wasn't as claustrophobic feeling.
@shinbi6009
@shinbi6009 Місяць тому
@@scottwatrousthese are respectable opinions and while I do understand these choices, the first book of this trilogy can actually stand on its own without the other two books.
@smokeythebear1633
@smokeythebear1633 Місяць тому
100% agreed. I enjoyed the show but outside of the first episode with the winking universe and slightly with the 'you are bugs' scene I did not feel that existential dread. Well put.
@Misterz3r0
@Misterz3r0 Місяць тому
It's just the first season...
@levischorpioen
@levischorpioen Місяць тому
Yeah, if I had one critique it'd be that the show took the sci-fi a bit too literal. Yes, there's a lot of science talk in the series, obviously. But thematically, emotionally, the story has way more of a Lovecraftian cosmic horror feel to me. I was surprised to learn it was the GOT guys behind this and someone like Mike Flanagan, who already has a working relationship with Netflix, wasn't considered. Him together with Justin Benson and Aaron Moorehead would be a perfect team to tackle Remembrance of Earth's Past.
@pdalencour
@pdalencour Місяць тому
Was JUST feinding for another video of yours on this book man. Thank goodness for this. Right on time
@nodatastored684
@nodatastored684 Місяць тому
Your doing great and the vids have been very helpful especially with the theoretical sciences discussed inside. And yes, ETO, does need a deep dive
@M4rt1nX
@M4rt1nX Місяць тому
Really Liked the show. Worth the watch. I haven't read the books but leaned everything about the story through your videos.
@greg.peepeeface
@greg.peepeeface Місяць тому
I'm hoping to learn how they were able to produce the VR headsets, and can the San-Ti-Trisolaran's see into the future? (the countdowns are based on future moments).
@M4rt1nX
@M4rt1nX Місяць тому
@@greg.peepeeface I assumed that the Trisolaran's shared the technology to create the VR-Game because it was convenient for them.
@greg.peepeeface
@greg.peepeeface Місяць тому
@@M4rt1nX yeah, I thought that too, because they are all working together (ETO), but if I shared technology with primitive people, they wouldn’t be able to create or produce it.
@Meilk27
@Meilk27 Місяць тому
@@M4rt1nXi also only know the story from quinn. are the tri solarians the same people as the san-ti?
@M4rt1nX
@M4rt1nX Місяць тому
@@Meilk27 Yes, they are originally called San-ti in the Chinese version and Trisolaran's in the translated books.
@WilmarNM
@WilmarNM Місяць тому
I'm from Venezuela, and I was really curious to see how Manuel Rey Diaz was portrayed in the series, so I was a little disappointed when they removed it. But to be honest, it is the most logical decision, for several reasons. On the one hand, when Liu Cixin wrote the series, Hugo Chavez was still alive, and the author created a fictional character who imagined what a possible successor to Chavez could be. Nowadays, it is known who Chavez's successor was, who also ended up becoming a true dictator, and possibly the showrunners of the series wanted to avoid the political discussion that could arise from introducing this character, even if they kept him being the original Manuel Rey Díaz.
@peefly9566
@peefly9566 Місяць тому
Manuel Rey Diaz is a very important wall facer,should not be deleted at all
@mwansamatimba2750
@mwansamatimba2750 Місяць тому
Perhaps they interchanged the gender, maybe his the lady who fought ISIS in the Netflix version.
@arasgarib8525
@arasgarib8525 Місяць тому
the character and their contribution to luo jis plan is still similar. I think using the kurdish fighter is also a good change considering their struggle against more advanced enemies.
@IronKurone
@IronKurone Місяць тому
I think the Chinese general is the new Manuel Rey Diaz, isnt he?
@mwansamatimba2750
@mwansamatimba2750 Місяць тому
Diaz is more technical. I think the female among the Wallfacers is the one taking Diaz place. She's more technical. On another thought. The Netflix mixed up the character of Wang into 5 characters. So it is also possible that the character of Diaz was broken into those other two characters (the male and female wallfacers) apart from Saul. This makes sense because the other two Wallfacers apart from Diaz and Luo Ji, didn't make any significant difference, they died in the books
@mikez6890
@mikez6890 Місяць тому
Videos you made about the book is what led me to your channel and the book. Keep up the great work man.
@jonukasb6965
@jonukasb6965 Місяць тому
Love your work, Quinn. So glad you're sharing your ideas
@beauhancock4922
@beauhancock4922 Місяць тому
I read the books and I like both versions. But your coverage has helped me to understand the American version. I didn't appreciate it on my first viewing I was confused trying to align the imagery with the text. But I love the American version a lot now.
@NviGWarren
@NviGWarren Місяць тому
I really enjoyed the last 2 videos on this subject. Thank you for your hard work, Quinn!!
@ejaybandoo
@ejaybandoo Місяць тому
dropping bangers constantly, love you long form content quinn
@ryan.hanthorn
@ryan.hanthorn Місяць тому
I thought about making a chart with book characters on the left and show characters on the right then connecting them with lines that define which aspects of each character translates into the respective counterpart with each line having a little snipped like "nanomaterial expert" on the line. I think this would help us keep track. There are some future aspects they are setting up such as a clear romantic connection between saul and auggie which we can predict how that will play out. But, I think this would be something Quinn would be much better at as well as having an audience to show that chart to.
@namenloss730
@namenloss730 Місяць тому
I'm halfway through the seaon, I like it. It does mostly capture the beats of the books. I have to say, the netflixing of characters is a little bit cringey at times. They obviously had a checklist. And a few lines here and there are just . Eg: "Did you go see the neurologist?" -> "yes" -> "what did he say?" -> "She!" -> "She, omg I'm sorry". Did we really need this? it's "Look she did a sexism by assuming the doctor was male". But the writing of the dialogs is GoT season 8 tier at times. I know some of the actors, they are good, but they seem to struggle to deliver some of the crappy "banter" that was added in. CGI is meh at best, I guess they had a very limited budget, so that's fine.
@dlouc100
@dlouc100 Місяць тому
The commentary on sexism is in the books too, interestingly enough considering its pretty sexist plot-lines later on.
@namenloss730
@namenloss730 Місяць тому
@@dlouc100 really? I don't remember
@dlouc100
@dlouc100 Місяць тому
In the last book there were multiple times when Cheng Xin faced similar sexist comments or assumptions or comments on the dynamic in general@@namenloss730
@Necr0e1
@Necr0e1 Місяць тому
it's so wierd to complain its not exactly like the book, ive never seena good adaption that is exactly like the books, different mediums require different changes, LOTR is a great example.
@akaidatenshi
@akaidatenshi Місяць тому
Thank you so much, Quinn, for your reviews. Also, Don't forget Ball Lightning is about Ding Yi's backstory and the official part of the 3 Body universe.
@GholaMuadDib
@GholaMuadDib Місяць тому
Thanks for all these great videos, and for all your hard work. You helped to reignite my love of sci-fi. I'm so excited for this show. Wishing ya all the best.
@camelliaharpdarkthrope6462
@camelliaharpdarkthrope6462 Місяць тому
The Netflix version is very different from the Tencent version, with the Tencent version being more suspenseful, but they both captured the essence of the horror of the original book. The Netflix version's characters weren't as endearing as Tencent's were for me, but they weren't bad and I did grow to care about them by ep 6. Will and Jack were my favourite characters in the Netflix version and Jack's death made me feel sad. And Will... man I really got attached to him. I feel like the universe winking scene was better in Tencent's version than in Netflix's, and sometimes the cgi is a bit rough in Netflix's version. Netflix's version did dumb down the science more to be accessible to more general audiences, but I still think people can understand the main principles in the Netflix version and that's great bc now my family's able to understand what's going on lol. Overall, while I really liked the Netflix and Tencent versions, I personally I still like Tencent's more. My mom and brother love the Netflix version more though.
@jrbethke
@jrbethke Місяць тому
Absolutely agree. The Netflix version seems like a cheap, loosely integrated and poorly adapted Western characterization. All the greatness of the book has been lost. There is no dread, no existential crisis that feels palpable or emergent . It’s rushed and the characters are shallow with no real connection with the plot. It’s a complete letdown. Stick with the book and the Tencent version.
@RonOnTheWay
@RonOnTheWay Місяць тому
​​@@jrbethke but you don't agree.... You just want to trash it.
@Ph.D_in_rabbit
@Ph.D_in_rabbit Місяць тому
Wow mannn prepared a PowerPoint😆😆😆But yea avid trilogy lover and I love the Netflix show! What I love the most is that when talking to non book readers on Reddit, I find that most of their questions have answers in the show, addressed in later books, or explained by common sense. Wouldn’t watch the Tencent one anytime soon tho. If I had the time I’ll just listen to the audio book or read it again😅
@talisa222
@talisa222 Місяць тому
This is so sad to hear as the Tencent one was great and in my opinion such a better companion to the books than the Netflix series, which is enjoyable but hardly hit the notes that made me go a little crazy for the 3BP series. The actors in the Tencent one were amazing. Oh, well.
@deoppressoliber1282
@deoppressoliber1282 Місяць тому
I didn't know anything about the Three Body Problem; just took a chance watching the Netflix adaptation ... Totally hooked! Just did a marathon viewing and now I've been hooked learning more from your videos, Quinn! Thanks for all the insight!
@StrayMind
@StrayMind Місяць тому
I love your videos and you have convinced me to get the books, I enjoyed the tv series but after watching your videos I think the last 2 episodes hit better for book readers that understand the whole story, really looking forward to getting to read it and watch your other videos!
@Justwosweet
@Justwosweet Місяць тому
You "spoiled" the whole thing for me long before now. If you hadn't I don't know that I would have watched it. It was great. I think I am finally going to read it.
@dzibanart8521
@dzibanart8521 Місяць тому
I think they improved on the books they made more about the characters than the books are, human interactions and relationships, which is necessary on a tv show.
@cindym5896
@cindym5896 Місяць тому
Love your videos! Especially bingeing your 3 body problem series, after the Netflix show! Keep up the great work! 🎉❤
@bakingwithjenny
@bakingwithjenny Місяць тому
I saw the show last week and went down a rabbit hole with your videos and you putting out a new video makes me so happy!!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️
@PWiz30
@PWiz30 Місяць тому
The sci-fi book fan meltdowns lately surrounding both Dune (where I am familiar with the source material) and now this show (where I haven't gotten around to the source material yet) are hilarious.
@ryankwon8785
@ryankwon8785 Місяць тому
I liked how Netflix made Judgment Day a family cult ship unlike the ship filled with psychotic terrorists in the Tencent version. I believe Will Downing (Yun Tianming), from Season 2 to the Season Finale, will have the most interesting and saddest character arc like Cooper from Interstellar (a man who traverses into space but can never return home to Earth). Imagine if the first San-Ti entity Will meets is the pacifist who tries to tell Ye Wenjie to not reply.
@spamfilter32
@spamfilter32 Місяць тому
Yes, that makes the horror of it that much more traumatic for Dr. Salazar.
@ryankwon8785
@ryankwon8785 Місяць тому
@@spamfilter32The San-Ti traumatized Auggie more so than the other Oxford Five. The aliens inadvertently killed her mentor, caused two of her friends to die, and forced her to give up her life's work. Plus, having her invention that is used to help people being turned into a weapon was the last straw. Auggie is similar to Andrew Wiggin's reaction in Ender's Game when he realized he participated in the genocide of an entire alien species before he learned there were survivors. Both didn't want to use their inherent talents and intelligence to commit murder on a massive scale (there were a thousand people on Judgment Day).
@vicvic2081
@vicvic2081 Місяць тому
I did not. It shows how Americans media is obsessed with bloody stuff.
@mwansamatimba2750
@mwansamatimba2750 Місяць тому
Will will survive, the Santi will revive his body. He will definitely reunite with Chen Zing
@edgbarra
@edgbarra Місяць тому
We won't see the pacifist Santi. He betrayed them so you can imagine what they did to him
@jemborg
@jemborg Місяць тому
I really like your take on the show, very considered and fair. For instance, you mentioned the music and it is superb. The undertow of mounting dread it conveys in certain scenes...
@craiggallagher4461
@craiggallagher4461 Місяць тому
Thanks for the deep dive Quinn and I love your channel and dedication to covering and discussing sci-fi in depth, especially as someone that doesn’t really have anyone else in their immediate life to discuss such things with.
@tonitoni9606
@tonitoni9606 Місяць тому
Saul was done right.. more intelligence more vices
@omnologos
@omnologos Місяць тому
Are you trying to confess anything 😂
@DanielMunoz-ni7zz
@DanielMunoz-ni7zz Місяць тому
He’s definitely more likable and less douchey than Luo Ji
@lazul6611
@lazul6611 Місяць тому
Don’t get why they went to great lengths to assassinate Saul but why didn’t a Sophon just take down his plane? We saw this was possible when they toyed with Wade on the plane at the end. Also, a Sophon obviously hacked the cars that tried to run over Saul. Plot armor just when he is flying?
@zando5108
@zando5108 Місяць тому
Because Dashi was with him obviously!
@Jaydee-wd7wr
@Jaydee-wd7wr Місяць тому
I don’t think it is possible, the plane was probably an illusion.
@stephyworld8713
@stephyworld8713 Місяць тому
The sophons are not all mighty but that's a legit question like why don't they try harder to kill him? In the books the TriSolareans uses ETO to assassinate Luo Ji (Saul) and they don't want to draw too much attention to him (hence freak car accident) but that fails so they let ETO try more direct attempts.
@lazul6611
@lazul6611 Місяць тому
@@zando5108 Da Shi is a talisman against a Sophon sabotaging an airplane to make it crash?
@andruboine
@andruboine Місяць тому
I looked at that as all an illusion.i don't think they can physically do anything but illusions
@wayneschroder6643
@wayneschroder6643 Місяць тому
Thank you, Quinn -- You introduced so many of us to Three Body long before it became popular. I expect Liu Cixin probably follows your channel. 😀
@amandaofhouserobinson6707
@amandaofhouserobinson6707 Місяць тому
Thankyou! Gonna watch it this weekend! 😊
@Ian-MT
@Ian-MT Місяць тому
Bummed I was only able to catch a small bit of the livestream as I was at work. And I always love your analyses and Dune material. In fact, you are the one who got me to read ROEP a year-and-change ago. But I did have some of the criticisms you cited. Thing is, I *WANT* to like it, I loved the books and am very pro adaptational changes if intelligently done, as in Dune… 1. Cursing/Smoking/Drug Use: I don’t have issues with having these things in fiction. I think it’s the context. A large portion of the curses in the book were by the police, military, industrialists etc. I’ve had the privilege of knowing (through coincidental fate) a number of screenwriters in L.A., as well as physicists, technologists and professors. The ‘Oxford 5’ characters act and speak much more like the hard-living screenwriters than they do the physicists as a whole. I think people vibe this and it feels off. China is much more of a smoking culture, but even in that context, book Da Shi gets called out for the habit. Luo Ji was considered a wastrel and a bit of a joke in academic circles so the drunkenness showed his attitude toward the wallfacer program. A few others were under extreme stress. So if it had been just ‘Saul’, ‘Jack’ and maybe ‘Auggie’ (after she started seeing the numbers) that I think is different than just having the pub-crawling hipsterism be the group’s default setting. And I’m sorry, as an ABC I can tell you, “time is a mother***ker” is something a screenwriter with a chinstrap smoking clove cigs would say, not a 70 year old Chinese woman and physicist who lived through the Cultural Revolution. Although in fairness, perhaps I and others may be being less charitable due to the sense D&D are dudebros who love their ‘edginess’ and so are just injecting it 2. Having the ‘Oxford 5’ being a friendgroup is a good change and makes sense to tie together the seasons. 3. The universe visibly blinking is a good example of the general dumbing-down of the material that bothers me. Instead of the background radiation of the universe being interrupted, it’s the most blunt, ‘Independence Day’ level version that makes the assumption you can’t explain the most basic scientific idea to the audience in favor of Marvel-style spectacle. Yet seeming to alter the background radiation of the *entire universe* is actually far more mind-boggling. I think a good adaptation could have simply and briefly explained it, and the audience would have gotten it with the scientists absolutely freaking out. But I feel like in general the adaptation doesn’t trust the audience. Again, going back to Dune - I think part of what made DV successful is trusting his viewers. 4. This dumbing-down also seen in the beginning of the Virtual Reality sections, because I felt it didn’t build any mystery about the eras or what was happening. They just immediately infodumped it in seeming fear that this would be strange, offputting and complicated for the viewer. 5. I agree, the Cultural Revolution segments were better in that they went where the CCP wouldn’t allow the Tencent version to go, making Wenjie’s actions connect more effectively. The Tencent version was elevated by young Ye’s actress. Alhough with the Silent Spring section, I did notice D&D’s desire to inject sex and relationship drama. 6. The nanowire sequence was very spectacular and I liked this a lot including the inclusion of the children on the boat to show the cost of doing these things is traumatic. That’s an improvement on both the book and the Tencent series as well.
@MathisXble
@MathisXble Місяць тому
Yes, it‘s clear that both series are adaptations, but the target audience is different, so dont be mad, just enjoy.
@user-po3ry3xh6y
@user-po3ry3xh6y Місяць тому
Awesome dude, just finished the series.. looking forward to hearing your take! My take: with the focus placed on interpersonal dramas as opposed to the science and sociology, I fully expected to hear the theme from Dawson's Creek at some point. More hard science and less Friends(tm) would have been preferable.
@DjPh8mous
@DjPh8mous Місяць тому
Omg thank your for your words!!! Thats how i felt and couldn't put into WORDS! I am kinda sad with how it is of the show so far
@annatrivia7045
@annatrivia7045 Місяць тому
Best deep dive into the books and comparisons with the show so far! Thank you so much for your insights and hard work!
@TimovdStraeten
@TimovdStraeten Місяць тому
My only complain is that saul is too much a normal guy for me. In the books the character was a crazy lazy guy that was gifted with great imagination and later evolved into something he never wanted to be just because he had to
@TheTinKunt
@TheTinKunt Місяць тому
I’m pretty frustrated with your comment because at this point in time he is EXACTLY like the guy in the book. In personality anyway. I don’t even understand your comment. You want the show to show us some cheesy daydreams of some unimportant character at this time ? What ? You’d lose the audience immediately
@Kraken9911
@Kraken9911 Місяць тому
No one seems to remember that Luo was borderline schizophrenic. He dumped an actual girl to date an imaginary girl and even went on a road trip date with her. Saul is definitely more balanced.
@niokyn3367
@niokyn3367 Місяць тому
Great video/stream really enjoyed your analysis as a book fan. Keep up the great content.
@Raymondt81
@Raymondt81 Місяць тому
Your podcasts/videos are my new addiction
@jofa9495
@jofa9495 Місяць тому
for people complaining about "forced diversity": if you walk into any western research lab you will see that those groups are quite diverse. As they are a mix of the smartest Phds from all over the world that got grants to work in those institutes. So this is not forced diversity. This is actually the realistic version of it. In the western world 50% of Phd graudates are women. I dont get the stereotypes argument either. How is Saul a black stereotype? Cause his character traits have nothing to do with race (he's a nihilist dude that only lives for the moment, but that loves and will protect his friends to death). Auggie I didnt even notice she was suppose to be latina until that village scene (and im latino). Her biggest character traits is being a genius with a similar moral dilema to Oppenheimer (how is that a latino stereotype?). I bet that the same people complaining about this are the same people who love The Departed without realizing or caring that the source material is asian.
@jasonjin5253
@jasonjin5253 Місяць тому
Actually ur western research labs are majority Asian and Indian lol I understand ur point though in all honesty protect your friends lol I think you lost the plot, I guess it’s cultural difference in reading , u see want to protect friends chinese see pure hubris “for I would rather betray this world than let this world betray me”😂 the idea of this avengers get together against alien threat is actually the opposite of what the world view on how Chinese views humanity, it’s just different culturally
@dylanamaral1663
@dylanamaral1663 Місяць тому
While that's true in the western world, it is very different in the east (which is where the book takes place). But to take the main male character of the book and split his character up into 2 women is very much forced diversity. Forcing a character to fragment into other characters that are seen as "underrepresented" in film, like splitting an atom, is obvious, and unlike science its completely unnecessary/ pandering. The fact that the show substitutes time that should be allotted for slowing the pace down and letting scientific revelations breath, let the plot breath so we can feel the pressure of the unknown impending doom (which makes the book a masterclass)... but instead use the time for dialogue like accidentally misgendering someone (episode 1 funeral scene) and making sure the character backtracks the severity of her heinous and diabolical statement immediately in the middle of a serious conversation about their dead colleague. Then you get a random bar scene where they again, choose to use our precious time and their millions of dollars per episode to show us a dumb white guy assume women aren't smart while trying to hook up with the two characters that are supposed to represent 1 male character from the book. I had to reread that while typing but I just rewatched it and... yup. They then proceed to school the super dumb white male by proofing just how accomplished they are in their academic studies before rolling their eyes. This doesn't further the plot in a single beneficial way which is really disappointing given how rushed the story is for the show. There is 100 percent pandering and "wink wink nod nods" in this show and this incredible and timeless story suffers greatly from it. Although I'm not surprised since the writers are the same ones that forgot about a huge subplot in game of thrones until the last 3 episodes, undid a character arc from the books, then made a really shitty and poorly thought-out character the king (later seasons thought out).
@dlouc100
@dlouc100 Місяць тому
It's not "forced diversity". From the perspective of the entire series and not just the first book it makes a lot more sense to make the change they did. Wang was only relevant to the first book. Replacing him with characters who remain relevant to the whole series makes perfect sense, and is the kind of simplifying many adaptations do. It works better, to be honest. The rest of what you bring up are things taken from the book, so why is it a problem that the show adapted those aspects? @@dylanamaral1663
@akeelyaqub2538
@akeelyaqub2538 Місяць тому
Forced diversity is mostly an issue when shows/movies incorporate it into their script at the detriment of the story. 3 body problem did not do that at all but of course, the changes alone are enough to make anti woke alpha youtubers and their followers throw earthquake equivalent tantrums.
@xHarpyx
@xHarpyx Місяць тому
hahahaha... "forced" diversity... ya'll are really just self reporting now huh?
@deathbagel
@deathbagel Місяць тому
I think a big reason a lot of people are saying the things like the paper boats and staircase project and all that weren't in the book, is because they don't realize that this season contains parts from all three books, and those things are all in the third book, so I'd bet a lot of people just haven't gotten there yet.
@wahuwant4u
@wahuwant4u Місяць тому
I’ve already spoiled myself all the plot points. I really enjoy hearing your thoughts personally and exposition of the whole series. I cannot wait to read this great work after I finish season 1. You’ve birthed a love into a new series for me- can’t wait to see these books on my shelf!
@thetenthdoctor7024
@thetenthdoctor7024 Місяць тому
Thanks, Quinn! Super informative, good refresher for us who've read WIkipedia's synopsis but not the book :)
@poisonivy8862
@poisonivy8862 Місяць тому
Only Americans would be upset about the cursing. FFS.
@jamesgornall5731
@jamesgornall5731 Місяць тому
For sure. Unreal, given how violent most Hollywood content is.
@henryneubert7798
@henryneubert7798 Місяць тому
I'm a German and I found the cursing a bit too much as well. I'm not upset, but I don't know people who would talk like that. The dialogue felt wooden for me, and that made the cursing feel forced.
@juleswoodbury58
@juleswoodbury58 Місяць тому
the whole time i was like, are these accomplished scientists at the top of their field, or are these moody teenagers?
@Saktoth
@Saktoth Місяць тому
Have you met accomplished scientists at the top of their field? Not the most functional folks.
@dispicablememe4140
@dispicablememe4140 Місяць тому
Great video. Missed the live but awesome deep dive
@joelfernandez536
@joelfernandez536 Місяць тому
Thanks for shining a light on this book series and its related media. Really excellent stuff. I might not have found it otherwise. I'm in your debt.The show's been great so far!
@raymondfields2148
@raymondfields2148 Місяць тому
I'm a smoker. In the show smoking is a BRILLIANT subtle way to constantly highlight humanities self destructive nature.
@user-bn5zt7ch9u
@user-bn5zt7ch9u Місяць тому
SPOILER WARNINGS actually Ye wenjie is much more complicated character than series show, she is not a devil, In the book, Ye's thought has changed three times, At first she feels the crazy of humankind through culture revolution, and she feels betrayed by her most trust person(Bai mulin), then she feels love and warm from Yang weining(this character is actually a good person, really really good not like Netflix adoption), during this period she thought Perhaps this crazy and betrayal only belongs to that particular period, until she read some history of humankind books, from witch-hunting movement to slave-trade, mankinds have always been creatures of carzy and ignorance. and during this period she sent message to trisolarans, Ye believes trisolarans are more moral than humans, and they can help humans transform society. therefore when She had to kill her husband, who probably loved her the most, for the secret of the existence of the Trisolaran, completing the transformation of Ye Wenjie to ETO commander-in-chief. however During her pregnancy she is cared for by the villagers of Qijatun and she begins to believe in the goodness of humans again. But after the Cultural Revolution she visits the people who hurt her during CR period, they refuse to apologise to her, seeing the harm they did to her as a piece of history. Even so, she still had a glimmer of hope for humanity, and within the ETO organisation, she liquidated the Adventists (the faction that wished for the destruction of the world by the Trisolaran). After recognising that the Trisolaran were far crazier than humans, she began to construct a sociology of the universe, and an answer to the Fermi Paradox. In doing so, she hoped to help humanity fight back against the Trisolaran invasion.
@user-bn5zt7ch9u
@user-bn5zt7ch9u Місяць тому
here is a sentence can summarise her life in a quote from the book by Ye Wenjie "I lit the fire, but I couldn't control it."
@Kraken9911
@Kraken9911 Місяць тому
Ye did not hesitate to murder her husband as collateral damage WHILE PREGNANT because she needed to kill her boss who discovered her unauthorized transmission. She's an ice cold monster. How is she not a devil?
@eliskavaskova3692
@eliskavaskova3692 Місяць тому
holy shit, I've red all the books but the part with the unfolding of proton and eye? I know it didn't make sense to me back then but I totally forgot about it so when you explained it I got a whiplash, oh my... I will need to reread that part again
@jorje0068
@jorje0068 Місяць тому
You're the reason i even knew what this was. Now im obsessed. Ready to hibernate until next season.
@aznperson
@aznperson Місяць тому
I don't get the forced diversity arguments there has been chinese adaptions of western works and they are all chinese
@Richoracle
@Richoracle Місяць тому
This show made the mythos more accessible to the general audience. A literal adaptation would have been a disaster. People complain about everything. Forget them.
@WeGameHard
@WeGameHard Місяць тому
I yern for these livestreams.. I have just as much fun watching the breakdowns and discussions than I do watching the shows. Can't wait for your spoiler talk!
@White_5tar
@White_5tar Місяць тому
Thank you Quin! I got into your channel for the Dune content(obviously), read the first book on your recommendation, literally in a few days and before the Netflix series started. Loved the first book, and I wholeheartedly agree with you about the Netflix series. The changes were necessary for a western audience, and were good. I liked that the show started with the cultural revolution, which is such an important part of Ye Wenjie's character and history. I am also happy that they brought aspects of the other two books into the first season. I have something to look forward to in the books and really looking forward to the next season(s) of the show.
@joshcrow777
@joshcrow777 Місяць тому
Hey Quinn! Love your channel and content! I think the Chinese version gave themselves enough episodes to actually flesh out the story.
@maatlock
@maatlock Місяць тому
Everything Quinn does is awesome! This is no exception. NOTICE HIM UKposts ALGORITHM
@the_algo_rhythm
@the_algo_rhythm Місяць тому
Noticed!
@Mongolbaabar
@Mongolbaabar Місяць тому
Including those paper boats is a nice foreshadowing.
@njoYYY
@njoYYY Місяць тому
Good times for you and your channel man. You were prepared for recent releases
@Kerath
@Kerath Місяць тому
I think Netflix completely failed to present the "paranoia" feeling that was quite present in the books. Sophons in the Chinese TV Series were shown pretty neatly, simply drone shots, but "if you know, you know" kind of thing. It's absent from the Netflix version, the total nightmare of the "Dark Forest" and all.
@CryptoJones
@CryptoJones Місяць тому
I didn't like the first book and I didn't like the tencent version but I loved the Netflix show. Watching the show made me buy the 2nd and 3rd books!
@jobethk588
@jobethk588 Місяць тому
Great listen. Thank you. Helps me better understand the books.
@johnwarman4001
@johnwarman4001 Місяць тому
More incredible coverage on the adaptation! I completely agree with your assessment of the Wallfacer project being reduced to 3 for streamlining purposes. I’m just sad that I think it means we won’t get Bill Hines’ story, which was my favorite of the wallfacers/wallbreakers.
@tristanlee8495
@tristanlee8495 Місяць тому
I think people have forgotten that while D&D wrecked the ending of GoT they are also the same people that made the early seasons. And the main difference? The early seasons had the book source material to work with. D&D strike me as much better at adapting than they are creating, and given that Remembrance of Earth's past is a finished story I think we're actually in pretty safe hands with this adaptation.
@praiha
@praiha Місяць тому
And on GoT they did a great job writing scenes that weren't in the books, because POV characters weren't present. With Littlefinger and Varys especially. You could argue that their version of Jon Snow is pretty different from the books, but this time they are avoiding direct comparisons by changing names and mixing stuff up a bit.
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