Let's build a wall such that >50% of smartphone users can't access our world, instead of using the same-quality, free, widely available alternative!

it's not only Europe. this is the way it is in most of the world.

True, though I will instantly switch to Facetime if i get the chance. Just so much more crisp.

have you tried facetime? the quality beats whatsapp video call by miles.

I take it as an insult when someone messages me on what’s app. Facebook owns that system and actively uses it to gather information on users.

Even Korea and China has huge number of iPhones surprisingly.

That's normal. Facetime and iMessage is primarily used in US. Like my whole family uses iPhone, talk about 30+ iPhones across ages but all of us uses Whatsapp instead.

TBH that's similar to Europe. I don't know many people that use iMessage or FaceTime over things like WhatsApp, snapchat, messenger etc.

lowkey imessage kinda sucks in comparison of third party apps like whatsapp

​@@ayushj6216It's a status symbol there, and the peer pressure of iMessage isn't there because of WeChat, Line, Kakao etc. It's similar in Germany, people don't use iMessage for groups but WhatsApp

They cancelled it really?

@@dustcake2576 Yeah cause they lied about everything and it was laundry list of things not to do. NOT E2E encrypted. Stored messages in plain text. Any media you sent (video, pix) was PUBLICLY available - it could be pulled from servers by anyone with a little know-how. Crazy.

"It's all encrypted" - Marques, buying what he's told by Nothing and Sunbird hook, line, and sinker because they let him announce it exclusively.

What's wild is that there are still people who buy Apple products, my MacBook is broken and they say it can't be repaired, when the warranty runs out you spend a lot of money on repairs, everything has to be original!!! no wonder their shares are worth 3 trillion dollars!!!!

They haven't, but there were problems with encryption. It is down for now, but not yet cancelled@@dustcake2576

You guys use phone in English or your native language... say Japanese?

To my knowledge he's the only UKpostsr that nothing advertises through with new releases and such.

Same as in Vietnam, everyone's own an iphone here but we still use Zalo and Messenger instead of iMessage

line is pretty good, it used to be very popular in my country before Telegram came out

@@seepranavgof course japanese

And I absolutely hate that, how everyone here in the US uses the iPhone exclusively. It’s so crazy to me. There are SO many interesting/cool phones out there that no one is experiencing because of this weird spell Apple has over so many people. I have an IPhone currently because everyone else does 🤦🏽‍♂️ But once the S24 Ultra drops, I’m on to that and not coming back

​@@kingjames6731even the S23 Ultra is leagues beyond the current iPhones. S24 will make the gap even bigger

Just to temper the dialog here, I live in the US and happily use a Pixel 8 Pro. I don't have any issues and rarely if ever get blue bubble shade. 49% is a huge market share for one company, but they don't even have a technical majority much less a practical one.

@@DanKaschel How old are you if you don't mind me asking? He said in the video 87% of teenagers use iPhones so obviously if you aren't a teenager 1. there is less pressure and 2. If so many teenagers use iPhones that would mean the percentages for the remaining population flip quite a bit since overall 51% use Android meaning adults favor Androids quite heavily to balance out the stats.

Im from europe and refuse to use whatsapp and is very difficult, people don’t seem to understand why I refuse to use it. I have made a keynotr presentation and send it to them and present it and still they think i am the weird one for insisting on using signal I really really prefer iMessage above whatsap but i have more success getting people to use signal then to get them to use iMessage

I love how mega corporations like Apple engineer what's cool and what's not in the US

That is sad.

ur broke!😂

​@cadenmam3853 - says little timmy with his 110 dollar iphone 7

And then gouge them for memory for ever after. That was what drove me away from iPhones a decade ago (though I am still an Apple laptop user) and it looks like they still do it. It felt like an abusive relationship. Like: hot guy, but mean. Not worth having, ultimately.

same here

They will stop it one way or another

Why the hell aint anybody talkin about this

@@HypeCole they probably will just use security as a reason to shut it down

They'll be going after three if them, now that I think about it: 1. Sunbird (which I am a testor for). 2. AirMessage 3. Beeper

Too. In my region. People buy iPhone, because it's just an iPhone

Same here in the UK. There is not as much *phone discrimination* but the iphoje usage is probably like 80%

What I dont understand is... whats so wrong with that? If you are mentally grown up enough you wont care about being left out because fake friends want you to have blue bubbles. Plus why do people hate on iPhones? Because they are the apex phone the best. Simply put.

@@hankagura5355 Why do iPhone users hate android users? Because they are the apex phones the best. Simply put.

I think it's less about hating on them and more that they are so expensive. Not everyone can afford an iPhone. But heck, not everyone wants an iPhone either. But it would be nice to have an android phone that worked as well with iPhones and iPhones work with iPhones

Just seems so much easier just to buy an iPhone as android doesn't really offer much different, iPhone and Samsung are so similar these days. I don't know anyone only messaging on imessage so I'm sticking with my Samsung and then giving apple ago because I have been using Samsung phones for 6 years and it feels boring but safe at the same time as I'm so use to how my android functions even though its probably not that different. I might get the iPhone 20 just so I can say to my sister that my iPhone is better 😂 Samsung and Apple are pretty much the same price so its fifty fifty. Enjoying my s23 ultra which isn't much better than my s21 plus but you live and learn I guess. Iphone 6 was the last iPhone I owned and I loved that thing. When I got my Samsung galaxy s8 I was like wow that screen is so damn beautiful and modern. I had iPhone 6 then S8, s10plus, s21plus, s23ultra. So I'm probably due to go back to apple as smasung isn't as unique as they use to be.

Join them

You have to join them

@@shinozu I'm aware,

More like u have become the very thing u swore to destroy

@@vivaanreddy8771 "I HATE YOU"

That’s his job, if he indeed considers himself a responsible influencer

In my view he doesn’t highlight just how significant the risk is. In my view that takes Nothing out of the running for deserving any business from anybody under any circumstance. And all regulatory bodies should prevent requesting credentials in this way.

props for doing what you are supposed to do?

@@verycalmgamer4090 In general, it's very common for media people to conveniently omit and downplay a flaw because they do not want to burn bridges in order to keep their network and connections intact. Movies, video games, etc reviewers/critics/journalists want to have access to privileges such as early access, event invitations, insider info, contacts, etc. I don't know if MKBHD does, but he's a big name in his space, so he definitely has a network and connections.

​@@theherkI understand how you think, but you're still only logging into an encrypted server farm, so it's not like anyone could go into sunbirds office and access your messages. Also did you see the wall of Terms and Conditions before being able to log in? Bet it stands there too.

To be fair, MKBHD indeed has said there are security concerns and red flags to use an apple account for this... But yeah it would be good if there is a clarification video for the same...

@@harishe6069 I believe he only said that just so people can't attack him on it later. He can be all "oh, well, I DID SAY there are concerns." Those concerns, however, didn't stop him from shilling for Nothing. Any person with basic understanding of tech and what Nothing tried to do would tell you it's a bad idea.

@@JohnScigulinsky 💯!!

Nothing is a British company BTW.

*companies... American companies... And they also are the ones who create the problems that shouldn't exist in the first place

Maybe so but innovation and creativity is a truly American trait and the rest of the world simply follows...........

@@crashn2me105 emm No.

Well said! 😂😂😂

​@@MrDJ2004translate! いいえ

100 percent @@Smart_boy2001

people are too "tribal" or "fanboy". They want to be a part of a brand or want to be normal and but whatever everyone else own. I think most people today can't think for themselves. Especially for teenagers as Marques mention. They want to fit in and be normal. "normal people use iPhone" -- teenagers.

Who’s “we”? Because most companies with their own identities go under. Clearly, the market disagrees.

Sony

Signal > WhatsApp > SMS

Here’s the thing though, for people who’ve used iMessage, other apps are just plain inferior. iMessage is ridiculously feature packed compared to WhatsApp, Messenger, etc. it’s a shame only iPhone users get to use it

Telegram..

@@b0nstatelegram is good, but doesn’t encrypt by default, so many people would use it insecurely.

@@NewDay14Why do people use signal? Looks goofy

i think the power of apple is iphone + mac together. teenagers are fickle by nature. if you give them a better camera with a powerful laptop, they will leave the ecosystem. that is a hard battle though. Nothing Chat is a cool strategy, i am not sure if it will work or not because think from a teenager's perspective- maybe he/she is not caught using an iphone because of "nothing chat" for 2-3 days/weeks. what is the end game here? eventually people will know and when they know the humiliation will be same...its just delaying the inevitable....and nothing phone 2 is not cheap also...so why go through the hassle and abuse when you are paying so much....the only solution is to ignore it completely....and honestly nothing is an enthusiast brand...people who buy it know what they are getting into....us market is the literally bossed by apple...if apple really has 87% of the the young masses, then it is better not to fight...let it become 99%...americans love to be special...as much as human nature, people will not like it if everyone use the same phone...that's when you pitch in with something different...till then entering usa market is not necessary....just keep a brief presence...that's it...

@@DemonSlayer-vh8uy Looks like we have an essay-writing Apple fanboy on our hands, who wants to promote domination of Apple devices if I'm not mistaken. The end-game is to make communicaiton better between Apple and Android users, since Apple won't do anything. That's what Nothing is trying to accomplish with this. Nothing Phone 2 is still cheaper than the cheapest iPhone in the 15 series. It's not good if the entirety of teens in the US to use iMessage, that could lead to privacy invasion and other unencryption problems... A startup company that promotes a unique design, and most importantly, has their userbase, not their money, as their main reason for what they do is just what the US needs. A break between the two smartphone manufacturers and coming in the middle at the same time. People who have a nothing product should be proud of what they got, because they're not being ripped off unlike Apple users... Speaking from a honest-to-death, pro-consumers fact-based opinions perspective...

Where do you live?

Yeah same here. Out in a suburb near farmland. Though I've always been a hardware-first kind of guy so I basically disregard all the ecosystem BS and buy whatever phone has the best modularity or repairability or most versatile camera suite or best tuned speakers or whatever. Sometimes people on the train or on campus even notice and say "cool phone!" 😁😎

I highly doubt people in the city care what kind of phone you have. The only time it’s ever mattered is in friend groups with people wanting to use iMessage within a friend group.

I agree with iPhones getting hyped up just cause of the necessary imessage and facetime in the US but macs are a real good product and is leaps ahead the windows competition… apple’s ubiquity with iPhones is not good but macs are completely fine .. offers solid build - chips - support- power everything…

At Swinburne in Melbourne, my class mates had to ditch their Macs because most of the Engineering programs didn't run on MacOS. Depends on what discipline and Uni you are at. But I'd imagine anything that isn't Engineering is Apple central these days.

The thing is, if you're not in a specialized field like Engineering, Architecture, and others that require Laptops with powerful GPU's, then Macbooks are the way to go. In particular, the M1 to M3 series of Macs are easily the best laptops I've ever used for regular daily activities. They have huge bateries--literally lasts 18 hours--and the screen along with the build quality are top notch. For all the wrong things Apple has done, Macbooks are not one of them.

​​@@SaadKidwai Not quite right actually, especially in SE Asia, as an example. Macs are only considered to be "for the rich" only, and almost everyone here uses Windows computers, as they're cheaper and more accessible.

6:08 , ooh there comes the end to Nothing chat in the US ... Can you relate ?

Hope you graduate soon

Honestly I don't think the Mac ecosystem is having as large of an impact on people purchasing it as the iPhone ecosystem has on people purchasing those. The iPhone is pretty clearly inferior in a lot of ways to competitors, but for Macs, they've genuinely been a competitive product for power and build quality even disregarding the ecosystem. I'm a CS student, and I would've bought a MacBook for college if I could've ensured all of the required engineering/CS software would work on it (it wouldn't so I stuck with windows). But yeah, I don't think the Mac loyalty has anywhere near the ubiquity of the iPhone loyalty.

I was there from 2010 to 2013. I started in IT and Mac was hated. By 2013 I came back and nearly everyone had one.

@@jacobhaft9714 what wouldn’t run on Mac that you needed? I find this surprising as someone who has been a SWE for 15 years and almost everyone I’ve ever worked with has preferred Mac, and a lot of the tools we use are a pain to set up on Windows. Also, the iPhone is not inferior. I could probably list 20 reasons why I think it’s better, for both end users and for developers, but I’m tired of arguing it.

​@@CookieCurlsMicrosoft Applications. Most open source software. OutSystems Android Studio etc. On the other hand, what software was a pain to setup on windows that installed smoothly on MacOS?

Nice one ... keep it up !

Colors were awesome. The thing that bothered me was the random change in the reflection of the light coming in from outside (presumably cars passing by)

​@@imshartednot a green screen

yeah it's pretty sexy

No

Question: Why should it be declared as a gatekeeper app? Are companies/groups no longer allowed to make exclusive features to their customers/members? If they call it gatekeeping wouldn't that set a precedent? Genuinely curious, since on one hand I don't like Apple all too much myself but I have also heard that the message and video services are just very good. I strongly dislike the European Union but the switch to USB-C was welcome. I don't exactly want to support the Corporate Juggernauts Apple, but then again the Multinational Governing Body EU is awful too.

​@@AcidifiedMammothnah eu is the best. They gave us the usb c in iphones. Now they are saving us from UKposts's anti ad block and this.

@@AcidifiedMammoth Because on one hand they own iMessage, but on the other hand they do not support RCS, which is basically universal iMessage. They are intentionally crippling the messaging app when messaging non-iPhone users, which is extremely anti-consumer and should be regulated.

@@AcidifiedMammothi just hate being forced into iPhones because of iMessage

@@AcidifiedMammoth Serious question: What's wrong with a multinational governing body like the EU when it comes to protection of customers and preservation of the enviroment? The EU is reason why our food is healthier and very affordable, why our air is clean and our water is safe to drink without hesitation. How are profit orientated organisations better in any way possible than govermental, non-profit organisations when it comes to preservation and protection??? The worst thing that could possible happening is corruption which then would mean that the interest of the profit orientated organisation in the end wins, so the worst thing possible to happen would be the status quo of not having these institution at all. Companies are allowed to make exclusive features to their customers but not if they have a quasi monopoly because that would expand their mopnopoly which is always bad for the customer and the market.

As a Colombian living in the U.S I could say Apple is so overrated, as Marques mentioned before about Blue bubbles vs Green bubbles most people buy Apple to fit in not so much for performance, Android has many more options than IOS.

Its because here in South America it took a while before iPhones became a sizeable portion of the userbase. So Whatsapp usage was alteady culturally established before the iPhone domination.

Main thing that happened is that the US market was stuck in SMS for far longer than the rest of the world, so the iPhone never saw a reason to implement a proprietary protocol until much later, by then WhatsApp, Viber and others had already grown a huge user base in multiple platforms, but in the US Apple basically led them from plain SMS to iMessage seamlessly to the point there are many that don't even realize that iMessage is something completely different under the hood to the old sms 'texting'.

cocaine money go crazy I guess

In south america actually.. i come from Paraguay, and I also used to have an iPhone but almost never used the iMessage, I've used Whatsapp even with other iPhone users because we were all in an Whatsapp Group 😅

Do you guys even have money for iPhones in India

​@@TetrathegodIndia is 5th largest economy what was you thinking when writing this 🤡

@@Tetrathegod actually no, well you're not entirely wrong. A lot of people buy iPhones on something called "No cost EMI" where they get an initial loan to purchase the device and basically pay back the bank without interest over the next 6 months. It's both, a blessing and a curse.

@@yogensachdev That's also how many people buy their iPhones from phone carriers in the US. They are also technically financing but from a carrier, not a bank. Its a curse when people get into status games and ruin themselves financially. I saved up for my iPhone 11 and bought it outright. Serves me well, and integrates with my Mac, apple TV and iPad. I financed my Mac and my iPad, and as a designer this has been a game changer for my business.

@@Tetrathegod Actually some of us actually have money to buy Apple stuff easily but you are right that almost like 70% of theses apple users are ones who just got it from their relatives living in developed countries and others just take "no cost EMIs" and take a loan. For clarification I own iPhone, MBP and other apple ecosystem.

I think it was a coincidence. Companies as large as apple have to pass decisions through many people, it would've taken them at least a month since nothing's announcement until theirs

My man I know it's annoying but if you can, get her that iPhone. Teenagers have enough issues already 😅

Cheaper better android? Bro eBay. Get a iPhone 14 pro max for the same price as your cheaper android. It’s faster, safer, more secure, and a higher quality phone.

​@@lilimccoy6194lol in your dreams. Note 20 ultra crushes the 14

@@lilimccoy6194 A "cheaper better android" will most definitely not cost 800 bucks

have her get beeper, it's similar and you can do imessage on android, I use that as a teenager, otherwise she can probably trade it for a good value with a carier

Exactly man, I have a Samsung s21 fe ( that costs 400 plus pounds) and I love it but getting excluded cause you don't have an iPhone is wild

@@Sfdi123Yeah. Monopoly over there. Even I have friends over US. They communicate with me over WhatsApp. I mean whatsapp is available for all right. Why this iMessage FaceTime thingy I will never know 💀

Is that something that really happens often in the US? I mean, I've been to a few states in the U.S but I have never even heard about such a thing. Well, tbf, I am not a young teenager but I'm still in my 20s, still "Genz" enough. I only heard about these things about "Android getting excluded" online but I have never seen or heard about it in real life. Maybe because I live in Asia so it's different here. If anything, I only saw more Apple users getting excluded and insulted nowadays for owning one. Like I recently switched to Apple eco, and I couldn't even count the number of times people online have called me an iSheep because I only said i liked my Apple devices on Facebook or UKposts. 💀

Apple creates bullying

Very evil company

If you are on the internet, you have no protection over your data. Anyone can take your data and then give it to anyone else. So security shouldn't be the highest priority unless you want to run pure Linux.

Bro linux is terrible with security vs ios and android @@Riyozsu

​@@RiyozsuYou're right. Graphene OS would be my choice

if you got a s23 you're not missing out on anything lol

feels good not be be born there

@@ARJUN-SSyou’re missing out on long-term support :P -sent from my 2018 iPad Pro which is still on the latest update…actually, I’m even on a developer Beta :)

The fact that persons feel like outsiders to have a different phone than an iPhone shows how insecure they are, and frankly stupid. I had an old S10e for a couple of years and didn't give a shit what others had in their hands, I now have an S23 ultra because the S10e battery went bad, these 'teens' are just dumb.

​@@abot4694do you not remember being a teen? Kids are cruel to each other, especially if they can find something "different".

Never change for someone else. And don't fall for bullies Real friends don't care what phone you're using

​@@Neofrommatrixpreach

​@@NeofrommatrixThis ×Googol. Android lets me know which of my friends can see past the bubble color

@@Neofrommatrix that is not something i thought needed to be said a decade or two ago. utopian af. Ironic that apple made the 1984 ad

Can't you get a small used iphone only for iMessage for cheap and use another Android for primary use? Or is that impractical?

MKBHD won't badmouth apple, it's too risky and he can't afford to be blacklisted for sake of his youtube channel. This is the reason a lot of UKpostsrs who have a large audience are terrified of talking shit let alone being frank when it comes to Apple products.

​@@Flash363He made an entire video on this, check out blue bubble vs green bubble.

hypocrisy? please explain

@@Flash363 yes of course. that's the only explanation as to why people won't say anything bad about apple right? It's not because apple releases great devices and services but only because the youtubers will get blacklisted. naturally.

Apple just stated they will be support RCS next year.

in vietnam we use Messenger and our own native app called Zalo, in that app you only need the phone number to contact

India is like: iPhone user never using facetime or imassage... It's always WhatsApp and few being whatever the f telegram is...

Don't forget Viber as an alternative in the Philippines

Here in Afghanistan, we dont use iMessages at all. we use Whatsapp and Telegram

QQ is also popular in china，but both of them are from one company😂 Besides，Feishu has many users in work

Sunbird is shutting down “temporarily”. I think you should stick to iOS, since that imessage on android thing is not really safe.

Beeper Mini is iMessage on Android, $2 a month, encrypted

And here they fucked up. NOTHING Phone 1 was a huge success in Country like India but because of the increase in price of NOTHING phone 2, they didn't do well in India anymore. Just like you said, there are many competitors who offers better features than Nothing at lower price.

Nothing 2 was sort of a failure but then they decreased the prices in Diwali sales and more people bought it. I got it for around 410 USD and its a really cool phone.

@@hasrataulakh I can buy IQOO NEO 7 PRO at price of 450$, which has superior SOC and Camera, Why would people buy NOTHING PHONE 2??. This is exactly why NOTHING phone 2 has flopped. More competition = more value for money smartphones

Not necessarily, there are some high value, underserviced Asian markets. Japan for example, barely have any Android present, iPhone is dominating but people don't really into iMessage that much, and you don't have major brands like Samsung or Chinese to compete with either (the biggest Android leader by far is the Pixel, which shouldn't be too hard to compete.)

I can safely say they're not doing too well in Asian markets. There are so many devices here that offer similar if not equal specs for a lower price.

I don't understand why is that. They think mobile will bring some kind of status and self esteem ? I am also from India, but Samsung is my dream phone. Actually status and self esteem coming from our attitude, skill and hard work.

The iPhone in India is only, and do i stress only, because of the "iPhone status". 90% who buy it dont even understand the benefits of owning an iPhone here

Most of them are stupid. They don't understand that they are paying way higher than people in the US and consider the economy and average salary a disastrous move by youngsters to spend on smartphones. They are just following the footsteps of the US of going broke in mid life as they are not saving their money properly. And at the end these phones are not adding any value to their daily work. They are just buying this thing just to look cool(even though it doesn't make you cool) 🤦...

​@@draGDer9well there are no benefits of buying an iPhone for most of the people. As you can browse the internet on any cheap phone, you can pick and dial calls, you can send messages, click pictures and shoot videos, use your daily routine apps like Banking apps, payment apps, food and cab apps and all...

definetly , iphone here is just a status symbol, the ecosystem isn't even that strong yet, the only feature i see ppl using is airdrop, it's funny people put iphone on a pedestal and i hear a lot about people just getting bored after they switch to the iphone after finding out it's just a phone that does phone stuff, post nut clarity type shi XD

Here in Brazil iPhones are also viewed as a rich person phone, but I would this mindset is slowly ending, since a lot of people even joke on iPhone users for having a iPhone (since most of them have ancient iPhones) Although a lot of people uses Messenger or Instagram DMs, Whatsapp still the way to go and the most dominant app.

Same thing in Sri Lanka :)

I can confirm this is also the case in Colombia.

Same in Puerto Rico, except that the iPhone is priced like any other Samsung phone, but people still tie it to some sort of status symbol.

@@MrSandChess the newer ones? Because here the older iPhones are way more expensive than the older Galaxies, and newer iPhones are most of the times way more expensive while Galaxy Ss are also expensive but not as much as iPhones (at least it's the case with the S23 Ultra and iPhone 15 Pro Max)

can you blame not only iPhone users here but the *average consumer* too if they don’t know other android companies exist? Google is the only exception and they definitely should know them since they’re making progress but Huawei, Oneplus, Xiamoi etc can you really blame them? It’s not their fault that these companies can’t/dont want to advertise & sell their phones here. especially since carriers don’t do it

It's less because they use an iPhone and more because they're jerks who refused to use platform agnostic apps when it's incredible easy and more inclusive to do so.

american skill issue @@lifeisshrt7929

Depends who you are talking too because the same thing can be said about most of the Android phone consumers. They don't even know what brand their phone is.

Gosh!! are ppl that unexposed to technology in the US?? cause this sounds like they are

If only in the US as well 😢

Don't give them ideas.

since they have digital services, now dont think that will happen. there are people not having any apple devices still using appletv+ and if apple is smart enough they would expand their ecosystem to lure in users, without the barrier of entry of owning an apple device

that will never work theres apple software running on other non apple devices, like in samsung smart tvs that have apple tv native app installed and need an acc. this is just one of many examples.

You need an Apple ID to even apply for a job at Apple, lol.

I hope so!

How difficult was the setup? I've considered doing the same but the arrival of services like Beeper and Sunbird has made me hesitate.

Time for me to do some research it seems. Thanks for the tip.

So you have an Apple Mac mini so you can dodge buying an iphone so you can use imessage features on android....LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

@@nebby3 I use BlueBubbles, and it works great! Super active Discord, and the devs are really helpful.

Could you shed more light on this?

It is, especially from an insider's perspective.

It is. I use an iPhone and it’s asinine that my friends/family with android see my photos/videos as shit, and vise versa. It’s apple’s fault.

And yesterday Apple announced it's adding RCS support in 2024! Long live EU regulations ❤

I’m still sticking with my Apple products though.

@@TravelerVolkriinWho cares?

Theres also laws in Canada that are going to be coming out as well. Bill C244 just made its way into the second reading of the senate, which means it is within a hairs distance of being passed as an actual law across the entirety of Canada. Bill C294 is also very close. C244 is essentially a right to repair law. C294 is the interoperability law. This will mean that apples parts pairing will become illegal in Canada.

Reason I switched to Apple was the stability, I couldn't give less of a shit about iMessage tbh.

You couldn't get messages at all when using Android?

You can if you have a Mac at home using airmessage. I use my Mac mini as a server and just log in on my android devices to get a lot of the same experience

While this situation sounds absolutely crazy to a non-American, I had the exact same thought. I have and will always have an android phone, but I got an iPad. Why isn't there simply a message forwarding app that pushes your messages or media to the iPad to send in iMessage and vice versa.

​@@animetodamaximumstability is there even in any midrange phones they are like 75% of the flagship in every department you are just paying thrice for the rest 25% in flagships. So stop with this stability bullshit...

Why what happened?

so actually a green bubble cuz whatsapp😌

They can do legal stuff, but I bet apple will ignore it for a while and then implement a software update to alter some of iMessage behavior to stop hacks like this.

school environment feels a bit different though, when i was studying in france, having a girlfriend and not iMessage felt like i was making it inconvenient for her. we had to text through insta or snapchat but it definitely isn't as practical.

I find the whole WhatsApp thing so weird

@@p4olom That’s honestly so great to know 👍

I'm from the north of the UK and I didn't know many people with iPhones even when I went to uni not many people had them, and most used Snapchat for socialising, granted I went to a heavy tech uni, it seems to be a bigger thing around London, I did see lots of them when I was down there for a bit

In the states, if you’re young you either use iMessage or Snap or Instagram to communicate. I feel like all these comments are so over dramatic lol. If people don’t have an iPhone, they just use Snap or insta to communicate and it’s not a big deal at all in the States haha

​@@p4olom🐑

i'm pretty sure in iOS 17 iPhone users can still use iMessage features in a group chat that contains Android users, just on the iPhone users' ends though.

@@camsta_I for one don’t care about the features but I do admit that they are amazing. iMessage messaging should be accessible to all devices at the very least. If Apple ever decides to bring the app over to Android they will 100% paywall it lol

Seems like an Apple problem

have you heard of whatsapp?

@@OptimusMonk01good luck getting anyone to use WhatsApp lol. I don’t know anyone who does domestically

It's like Many of the friends I met in gaming all talked on Discord and my real-life friend and I use WhatsApp. if I met a new friend I would give them my Discord username. There is no reason for me to use Imessage since I don't even have an iPhone and It's From a Platform Specific device.

Riiiiight

in europe everyone uses iphone too

@@fow8780 nope, only about 35% of Europe as of October 2023 uses an iPhone, furthermore no one uses iMessage, almost everyone uses Whatsapp or Messenger, hence why OP said they have the freedom to choose. This whole blue vs green bubble is purely an American "issue"

I’m American and I have that right with a phone lol

Except of Oppo or Huawei, which are banned/sanction for the only purpose of market advantage .. but hey, we have a "free choice" 👍

the hardware was amazing too

It's sad that the only thing left of WebOS is stuck on LG smart TVs.

Apple is really missing out on the opportunity to charge users for an Android iMessage app.

@@Cyrax89721they are apparently charging for a mac mini…

​​@@Cyrax89721so you want that?