Wahoo ELEMNT "DARK MODE" Update for ROAM V2 and BOLT V2

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Wahoo have quietly rolled out "Dark Mode" to their ROAM V2 and BOLT V2 cycling computers. This video covers all the details and shows a number of on-road comparisons between modes.
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@marcuswhiterocks Місяць тому

Now all we need is DARK MODE IN STRAVA. You hear us @STRAVA ?

@galenkehler Місяць тому

I like this kind of content, even when its products like this that I dont own

@gplama Місяць тому

I appreciate there are other people out there who are also into small and obscure new features of niche bike tech. 👌🏼

@speedfrx Місяць тому

Good job on shedding the light on dark mode, Shane!

@MultigrainKevinOs Місяць тому

Wow that lookahead feature is really fantastic, I am quite envious of it now. Thanks for the great content!

@miguelesteban8775 Місяць тому

They should put also auto switch dark and light mode (sunrise and sunset). That would be cool.

@gplama Місяць тому

I like the idea. 👌🏼

@graemehill Місяць тому

Thanks for this. My first question was about battery life and of course you did a deep dive on that. Nice job as usual!

@midhc5072 Місяць тому

Still looks better and more easily readable in light mode.

@rfa31 Місяць тому

Stoked for dark mode! Be nice if Strava got the memo 😉

@JoshMcGehee Місяць тому

Always helpful, Shane!

@MrJwmurph Місяць тому

On the battery charge not being 100%, I've noticed variability in the battery life depending on the charger and cable used on my Roam V2. At all times the unit says 100% but with the same sensors / phone paired the battery life can vary between 10hours and approx 17hours. Searched the forums and saw that the Roam V2 needs to use the USB C cable it came with and a non-apple charger that has an output in excess of 2 Amps in order to get a full charge. Since using a specific charger / cable combination the battery life in consistently close to the Wahoo claims, I was about to return the unit up to this change in charger.

@lellotrello2338 Місяць тому

Mine doesnt charge on usb c power supplies that Support the Power Delivery Standard, wahoo messed up the hardware there. It charges fine on any "dumb" charger though (or PC USB Sockets etc)

@recordednowhere Місяць тому

thats wild if true

@jcdoh7669 Місяць тому

I have the same problem with my roam V2. 100% charged only lasted 10hours

@MrJwmurph Місяць тому

@@jcdoh7669 try a different charger block, one that has an output of a minimum of 2 Amps at 5.0V (should be printed on the unit), is not an Apple item and use the thick cable that came with the Roam. That worked for me, I noticed fairly fast that the time increments to use 10% power became longer and more linear across the range of the battery. In the past it would burn really fast over the initial drop from 100% but then slow down as the remaining % decreased.

@wsbygt Місяць тому

Thank you, I might try it and now at least I know my Roam has a Dark mode, BUT, it makes sense that the pixels beeing turned on(to darken the screen) do hinder battery. Cheers for the complete take on it!

@serdiezv Місяць тому

Well, the screen is black, it'd make more sense for it to save more energy as it only needs to light the letters and colors.

@wsbygt Місяць тому

@@serdiezvWell the screen isnt black. So.. yeah...

@serdiezv Місяць тому

@@wsbygt the screen of the V2s definitely is black, at least on the Bolt

@liutang Місяць тому

I would PAY to get a firmware update for it to tell Strava what bike I'm using for the ride. I know Wahoo listens to you. MAKE IT HAPPEN!

@gplama Місяць тому

Ride type/profiles has been long requested. Now Strava is automatically categorising rides based on the sub_sport in the activity, it's even more important they do this. In the meantime you can use something like ActivityFix to do this for you with Strava. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/gWmQhHeiqpmj0WQ.html

@Robutube1 Місяць тому

Thanks for sharing this Shane. Not an option I'll use on my Bolt V2 having watched your demo; seems like you lose some detail in dark mode.

@rasmuswi Місяць тому

Seems I'm not the only one who's already flying downhill when my Wahoo thinks I've reached the summit. 🙂

@GravelHerault Місяць тому

To be fair, my Garmin does that too

@lellotrello2338 Місяць тому

Route chevrons are black in dark mode and nearly impossible to see, so its unusable for me as of now :(

@alexfirth Місяць тому

Looks like you can now control your Varia's light setting from Wahoo head units after this update too. Not in the changelog, but I see a new "Toggle" option when my Varia is connected.

@gplama Місяць тому

It'll be in a changelog soon.... I hope. :)

@speedfrx Місяць тому

Dark mode will not affect battery life unless screen is OLED, which isn’t the case here.

@sabamacx Місяць тому

It may in the next product around the corner.

@dylanl8310 Місяць тому

Thanks @serg1um answering the question that was on my mind.

@turbostixxx 28 днів тому

True, OLED dark mode will be more power efficient due to turning off the pixels to display black.

@andrewlowin3369 Місяць тому

I noted in dark mode the 3sec Power sported a black background rather than reflecting the zone colour, but in, say, Climb Pro the colours did show, I wonder why?

@RembrandtKruyt Місяць тому

I really like dark mode on the 'normal' datafields. The contrast is really good. However, on the map and profile it is horrible. The chevrons for a route are also black, so yo don't see the route. And the details are not clear to me. So I would like to see a possibility to have light mode for map and profile and the possibilty for dark mode on the other pages.

@ptjazz Місяць тому

Have you noticed that wahoo does something to control the lighting in Garmin varia lights? There used to be a notification about the light mode on the car detection bar, but now the lighting turns off automatically when you finish training. there is no mention of this in changelog.

@gplama Місяць тому

Their light control is sneaking into some firmware releases. It’s still not official…. Yet.

@morneauh Місяць тому

@@gplama Mine was off at the end of the ride, I was so confused. I though it have been off for the whole ride. Next ride I made sure it's on, arrive, off again. I was like what is going on. I updated my varia radar firmware (I usually never do). Do an other ride, check a few time during the ride to make sure it's on. Arrive from the ride, still on! The firmware must have fix it, success. End the ride, light goes off, I felt stupid...

@traveller78 Місяць тому

Was hoping wahoo can control the light modes on the Varia like the Garmin light network… hope they update that part of the firmware soon.

@SonnyDarvishzadeh Місяць тому

At least it makes me appreciate this feature existing on Edge :)

@montecrisco Місяць тому

Hey Lama, how do I change which side the Varia alerts show on the bolt v2? At 1:05 your alerts are showing on the right hand side of your units. My bolt v2 is currently showing these alerts on the left side of the screen which I believe is the stock setting. I've looked everywhere online to try and figure this out but with no luck. Thanks heaps for the videos. Keep up the great work. Cheers.

@gplama Місяць тому

Should be within the Elemnt app. Or the radar sensor settings on the ELEMENT unit. I can't recall exactly which.

@montecrisco Місяць тому

Awesome! Thanks@@gplama

@rossettoroxy8323 29 днів тому

Hello! Can navigation also be used for walking? I would also like to use it for trekking as well as mountain biking

@gplama 29 днів тому

I guess so. Using a smart watch for navigation while walking would likely be a better option.

@ernestasl 27 днів тому

On Elemnt, battery charge shown is non-linear. It goes down to ~60-80% rather quickly and then goes down really slowly. So the test would have made more sense to be done with more sensors for quicker discharge or just simply waiting for longer.

@NeimanLevenson Місяць тому

does anyone know how to choose a specific speed on auto pause on the bolt V2? I want it to autopause everytime im at 3mph or less, instead of 0mph. is this possible? couldnt find it in the settings in the wahoo app or the element app

@albr4 Місяць тому

just changed mine to dark mode but had to change it back pretty quickly, the text is way less visible than light mode, dark mode would probably work better if you're riding in the dark.

@nickhoesli9216 Місяць тому

Hi Shane, tks for that. One question I have not found answer yet. Can turn by turn be switched off when a route is selected. Reason I am asking is that I always check the map on downhills for screening the corners coming up. TBT then gets in the way and zooming out does not make sense as judging the corners is then not really possible anymore. Hope you get what I tried to explain. cheers from switzerland

@gplama Місяць тому

I'm not sure. So you want navigation but no navigation prompts?

@JureZitnik Місяць тому

Have you tried choosing "mute" on the route detail popup page?

@nickhoesli9216 Місяць тому

@@gplama yes the navigation to continue just the pop-up from turn-turn-info (eg left in xx meters) not to show up as it overlays sometimes an upcoming corner and when going down at a high speed you‘re unable to see how much of a bend in the road this is. It makes it then difficult to judge the breaking (guess I should not rely on the map for breaking points anyway 😳) but I find it annoying

@nickhoesli9216 Місяць тому

@@JureZitnik No but will check. tks

@NathanLipkeEvilN8 Місяць тому

1:29 is the green blobs for parks a light vs. dark mode or roam vs. bolt?

@gplama Місяць тому

Roam vs Bolt.

@matthewblue7839 Місяць тому

Which rear view camera are you using: thx!

@gplama Місяць тому

For this ride: Rear radar was the Garmin RTL515. Front facing camera for the on-bike footage was a GoPro 12 with Max lens mod.

@jaredlash5002 Місяць тому

Not quite the Wahoo update I've been waiting for, was hoping the rumors of a new device announcement in March were true.

@karlmustermann6005 Місяць тому

Would be a pleasure to chose in the app that some pages will not be affected by the dark mode…

@chris1275cc Місяць тому

Like older Garmins the Wahoo head units really need a high quallity USB cable and a 2A+ power source. Probibaly becase a good charger/cable will take the cells to 4.2v and a quillty high capacety - low drain cell will hold that for a while, but the unit takes 100% battery to be the "nominal" voltage of 3.7 and a crappy USB/source might only just get it there.

@Robutube1 Місяць тому

Yes, my Bolt V2 is really fussy about what USB C cables it will and will not work with. Bit of a pain TBH.

@fredwong5537 Місяць тому

This update seems not yet supported for some countries in Asia. I am on WA51-16525 for both Bolt v2 and v1. Not sure if some server mirror problems on Wahoo side.

@willbert7715 Місяць тому

Is it only me, but in 4:00 theres no line visible on the dark mode. In the bright mode you can see a black line for the path thats already been passed, but in dark mode theres also a black line which cant be seen on the dark background.

@AlanJames Місяць тому

He says that at 3:36

@donschloth5785 Місяць тому

Lama, has Wahoo said if this will be made into an auto on/off day/night feature similar to Garmin? Or will we have to manually select every time?

@gplama Місяць тому

No indication. I’m sure they could update this for sunset/sunrise automation.

@donschloth5785 Місяць тому

@@gplama thanks for the quick reply!

@AlanLyne Місяць тому

I found dark mode doesn't work well with planned workouts. You can't/hard to see the work out progression line

@BetterShifting Місяць тому

I really need to upgrade my bolt v1 to something more recent... and bigger. As I'm getting older, the smaller texts (map screen) can be next to impossible to read. On the other hand, I also want to buy PM pedals.... :)

@gplama Місяць тому

Why not both? *insert that meme here*

@BetterShifting Місяць тому

@@gplama hah! New bathroom, holidays... I'm not 100% there's budget for both this year :). We'll see!

@MrJwmurph Місяць тому

i upgraded to the Roam V2 (have a Bolt V1 and a Garmin 530) for the same reason and I love it. The larger, non-reflective screen and the zoom functions are a big help. Upgraded before a cycling trip where I needed the mapping, did a similar trip last year with the 530 and mapping was fine but much better this year with the Roam.

@BetterShifting Місяць тому

@@MrJwmurph Nice!

@dh7314 Місяць тому

Same. My eyesight has deteriorated terribly since I bought my Bolt, I can’t read much on it any more. Things got too expensive though

@androzetga1916 Місяць тому

dark mode only reduce power if used with AMOLED display. For TFT display is no benefit.

@ojtamno Місяць тому

Interesting. I always thought that displaying a white pixel takes more energy (as it requires all RGB sub-components of the pixel to be on) comparing to black (where all are off) but now when I think about it I can't provide any prove or source for this :D :D Anyway, cool stuff although not what I would like to see from Wahoo as ex ROAM owner ;-)

@gplama Місяць тому

I think it depends on the screen type.Wahoo doesn't have a 'white' pixel as far as I know. To me it looks like white is represented by not applying any colorisation at all to the pixel/area, which in theory would mean less battery... maybe.

@stibra101 22 дні тому

Now Wahoo supports Garmin Varia light!

@cs8sz Місяць тому

I love your videos! Just downloaded the new firmware and quite honestly dark mode doesn't seem as good as normal. Instead of wahoo creating features that most people don't care about. How about creating a feature like virtual partner like Garmin, so you can race yourself against a previous activity!

@gplama Місяць тому

Virtual partner is a feature most people ask about turning off on Edge units! 🤣

@acidrums4 Місяць тому

Things I'd like to see in an update: - Serious work about shortening boot time (it's taking more than 2 minutes ffs!) - Better battery life when idle (it sucks way more battery when paused than when running... Why?) - Profiles: the option to set profiles for a single device. I'd like to select between road/mtb/whatever BEFORE starting a ride, and associating each it with a bicycle - That when you're on something which inclination it's between 0 and 1, it showed the actual inclination value - for everything between 1 and 0 it shows only 0! - something like a thin colored bar at an edge of the screen or a tiny icon inside the start/pause button that tells battery life or whatever stat you choose Things I didn't wanted in an update: - "Dark mode"

@fredwong5537 Місяць тому

Switch off everything you do not need, especially features that require heavy computations such as Strava segments. Basically it means Backlight OFF, Leds OFF, Wifi OFF, Live tracking OFF, Show other users OFF, Strava live sgments OFF, and if you do not need navigation for some rides remove the map page too. Connect all sensors in bluetooth low energy mode instead of ANT+ if you can.

@cebruthius 3 дні тому

The display panel doesn't draw more or less power depending on the state of the pixels, so battery tests are bogus.

@Bandyrobs1 Місяць тому

Thanks..btw..have you ever seen pothole? Your road surfaces are ridiculous. You need to visit the roads of southern England..or maybe not!😂

@gplama Місяць тому

I choose my roads wisely on the road bike. There's a lot of crappy roads around here that need repair (which are good for gravel bikes!).

@mintymilkk 9 днів тому

pff you're telling me they couldn't add the same dark mode to the Roam 1. It's not THAT old

@HarishChouhan Місяць тому

White text on green background for the grade does not look that good.

@KeatB Місяць тому

New roam model is needed. I’m shallow, but it just looks dated. Bezel too big, not nice form factor. I switched to 1040 solar simply for something more modern even though I actually prefer wahoo. A new Roam with a better sized screen and shape would switch me back in a heartbeat.

@rasherdk Місяць тому

Looks like they're finally ending support for the V1 devices and original ELEMNT entirely. No reason this couldn't have been available for those other than a business decisions to push people towards the newer units.

@RichardGate-UK Місяць тому

That's a shame, I love my original Elemnt and find the larger B&W screen really good to follow off road

@RichardGate-UK Місяць тому

There is an update this week for the Elemnt. That’s good to see.

@stasheAUS Місяць тому

shame roam v1 doesn't have this option :(

@Robutube1 Місяць тому

I thought that it was a Wahoo selling point that all versions of the same device used the same firmware.

@tobias3919 Місяць тому

Bolt v1 does have the option! Just without any effect. I was wondering the other day thankfully the video provides context ;)

@leedorney Місяць тому

The more i look at a W.Roam2 i think it's superior to Karoo2!

@gplama Місяць тому

Which is no longer in stock. Hmmm! 🤔

@fukawitribe Місяць тому

If you don't want a touchscreen, then the Roam is probably well worth a look.

@kennethxiao Місяць тому

@@gplama are you hinting Karoo 3 is coming? It's been a long while. They pretty much did nothing for years.

@thomasglaser291 Місяць тому

Karoo2 is waaaay better in design

@leedorney Місяць тому

@@thomasglaser291 The design is dated and slow and has errors..it's not performing as others on the markets are and do, battery, auto-routing etc..theirs lots of problems with it

@shanghung4049 Місяць тому

黑暗模式無法導航... 導航的箭頭完全看不到

@damFr Місяць тому

One day we will use dedicated app on smartphones with phone case and bike mount. GPS are really old and not relevant anymore. Apps are developed and will replace dedicated GPS computer

@lellotrello2338 Місяць тому

Do you know any polished ones? Last time I checked I couldn't find one that is comparable to the wahoo ui

@damFr Місяць тому

Strava, Komoot, Google map there are a lot of them, big down size is battery but it will depend on your phone (which is most of the case in your pocket)@@lellotrello2338

@recordednowhere Місяць тому

after i completely trashed my smartphone battery with constant navigation on, and regarding the battery life even if the battery is still good, i tend to disagree. bought a roam v2 specifically because it's a dedicated device that will last longer for this purpose.

@markifi Місяць тому

a gps goes 10 hours from 2.59 Wh battery with the screen on

@markifi Місяць тому

this is new? my 8 years old garmin does this automatically when the sun goes down.

@gplama Місяць тому

Yes, it's new in the Elemnt range.

@BadTanLines Місяць тому

Oh wow I would have thought this was already a thing many years ago like Garmin... 🤦🏽‍♂️

@Ribanski 27 днів тому

Your graphics presentation are not showing the reality. The colors of the Roam V2 are not as vibrant as you are showing in the graphics. In fact the colors are more like watercolors. It’s a shame that Wahoo uses in all there presentations colors that dont add up to reality.

@gplama 27 днів тому

I’m using the screen recording function. The colours are EXACTLY what the unit produces. As for what the screen looks like… well.. that’s dependent on the environment it’s used/viewed.