Was This Peak Bike? We Ride A 90s Super Bike
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День томуIs this bike the pinnacle of cycling engineering? Si thinks he's found the ultimate bike... a vintage Pinarello Dyna, ridden in the Tour de France by climbing legend, José María Jiménez. Si tests this spectacular Pinarello Dyna against the latest Dogma to see whether his peak bike theory rings true.
00:00 Intro
01:02 Pinarello Dyna Tour de France vintage bike
02:50 Si rides the vintage Pinarello
03:35 Dario Pegoretti frame
05:34 Is the vintage Pinarello Dyna good?
08:14 Pinarello Dyna components and Campagnolo group set
10:32 What makes this peak bike?
11:01 How fast is the Pinarello Dyna?
13:08 Which bike is best?
15:22 Which bike was faster?
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@gcn Місяць тому
🤔 Do you think this is peak bike?🥇
@vladhristev481 Місяць тому
yes
@MaggieCat83 Місяць тому
Also yes, plus much love for Pegoretti.
@stasacab Місяць тому
Peak bike and beautiful.
@jasondunn5410 Місяць тому
I have to say yes! Simply beautiful.
@MrAndrewjdavis Місяць тому
Colnago Master - incredibly stiff and far cooler looking than the Pinarello. (Love those carbon wheels though and confirm my suspicious that wheel/tyres make much more of a difference than aero frames)
@ellipticalsoul Місяць тому
"pro cyclists had a *lot* of wattage back then" very diplomatic way of stating that ;)
@gcn Місяць тому
Always a professional 😉
@amitjegatheesan7221 Місяць тому
idc how fast or slow it goes, it looks beautiful. old bikes got a certain charm to them
@JIMMYHIBBS1 Місяць тому
Agree - back in the day a Pinarello was a cut above - just like an Alfa Romeo, or Bentley, or Rolls Royce, etc, etc …. These days they are all no more than a marketing exercise …
@MS-bw7yt Місяць тому
As long as I only have to look at the old stuff and don't need ride it, I agree, they are beautiful
@markfrench9004 Місяць тому
The exact words I was going to say.
@jeremyemilio9378 Місяць тому
Charm doesnt make you go faster
@amitjegatheesan7221 Місяць тому
@@jeremyemilio9378 well I clearly said idc if it goes fast or slow
@folcobanfi4370 Місяць тому
The initial shot of the bike in the ruins just redefined what all "supernice" shots for the bike vault should look like... 😄
@gcn Місяць тому
It might not play by the rules but it's a great shot right 👌
@nathanielmohatt8017 Місяць тому
I've ridden steel my whole cycling life, but ive also worked in shops and ridden plenty of alu, ti, and carbon frames. About 9 years ago my steel Chris Chance got damaged in an accident. I tried tons of beautiful carbon bikes, Wiilier, Bianchi, De Rosa, etc. Then I got on a steel Waterford and couldn't stop grinning. I love when you highlight that steel bikes are great, but Id love to see you all test out a true contemporary steel masterpiece. Steel didnt plateau with the Dyna and that era. The materials haven't changed much, though there have been some new developments. But a new, top tier lightweight steel bike with modern components and wheels is a special experience and I'd love to see GCN take a serious look at a top end boutique custom steel bike of today.
@bboyle09 Місяць тому
For just one year, the Tour de France should require use of steel bikes. Maybe the 150th edition or something
@randellgribben9772 Місяць тому
no power meter,, no race radio.. this would be an improvement
@dougfromsoanierana Місяць тому
And it should be self-supported, where riders have to stop at stores and cafes to refuel.
@gcn Місяць тому
Ooooo that would be super fun to watch! Do you think the results would be surprising?
@FML22 Місяць тому
@@dougfromsoanierana I saw a video about Lael Wicox racing the Tour Divide, titled “I Just Want to Ride.” Really fun watching the racers sleeping at the side of road, madly scrambling for food and supplies, and doing their own roadside repairs. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/eXV2e3-rbXx0lGg.html
@edgibbs3229 Місяць тому
@@gcnWas Si riding Pirelli P Zero Race tires?
@newttella1043 Місяць тому
I love the look of the old skinny steel tubes and chrome bits. Just class 👌
@gcn Місяць тому
Just can't go wrong can you 👌
@JohnK1936 Місяць тому
Hi Simon, I’m old school - very old school - I like the videos, but commenting is strictly for you kids - I just don’t do it. But the sight of you working that classic Pinarello made my heart sing. You really looked “the business”. Your modern version doesn’t come close. If anything I would describe it as “insignificant”. Thanks for the show.
@edlarmore1653 Місяць тому
Simon, I still ride an all campy 2001 steel De Rosa. No arguement about carbon but the old De Rosa fits all my needs. It is fast and descending machine. Ed
@paulmcknight4137 Місяць тому
@@edlarmore1653 Got you beat by 6 years. I still ride a 1984 De Rosa, SL tubing, 36 spoke aluminum wheels, Campy Super Record, and have never looked back. It climbs like a bandit and descends like a motorcycle. It's geared to be ridden hard. We trained up on the hills. I've had about 75,000 miles of adventures on it. I've characterized it as a musical instrument worthy of Italian opera.
@gcn Місяць тому
Thanks for commenting John! We love a classic bike too 👌 Nothing beats that timeless design 🙌 Saying that, there are so many advantages to a modern bike with wider tyres and disc brakes.
@martingutierrez694 Місяць тому
I still want to see y'all do tests on vintage frames with modern groupsets and wheels. The blend of old and new is my favorite
@Frostbiker Місяць тому
If I remember correctly, GCN en Español has done three of these: road, gravel and fixie. All great, in my opinion.
@gcn Місяць тому
Neo retro builds can be great, Alex did video on GCN Tech 👉ukposts.info/have/v-deo/oHaFaX-Gq4CI0mQ.html
@charlcoetzee93 Місяць тому
Yeah he barely rode it in the video@@gcn
@Gixer750pilot Місяць тому
Love it !!! To a non cyclist, that bike looks cutting edge . Can we have more classic bike stuff rather than new bikes that you need a mortgage for ? Get that red Colonago on that featured a few weeks back , the one with modern wheels and group sets . There is a huge interest for this and I feel it gives value to bikes that otherwise might get scrapped . Keep the old dogs flying !!!
@gcn Місяць тому
Thanks for the feedback 🙌 We'll always try and show every corner of cycling, we love modern tech it's always so cool to see what the industry can do. We're always open to feature more retro content, can you think of any other classic bikes you would like featured on the channel?
@peterwillson1355 Місяць тому
I am not in the least nostalgic about the beautiful , quality bikes of the 80s and 90s: i have never stopped using them .
@toddmcdonough Місяць тому
The steel tubing arms race of the 90's and early 2000's was epic. Legendary manufacturers Columbus, Dedacciai, Reynolds, Tange and True Temper pushing the properties of steel to the absolute limit. Sculpted lugs gave way to shaped tubes with hidden internal lugs and insanely thin sections that became characters themselves in some metialurgical anorexic fever dream. Thron, Genius, Cyber, Foco, 853, Infiti, OS III Ultimate, SAT 14.2 and the legendary EOM 16.5. Demigods all of them forged in fire, science, and blood.
@gcn Місяць тому
There is something special about steel! Have you got a favourite tubing? 🚴
@alanwallace8059 Місяць тому
My 60, 531 Geoffrey Butler, with Nervex professional, edged in gold on the turquoise frame and track front forks. @@gcn
@81caasi Місяць тому
Right on point!
@DavidMartin-tk4fs Місяць тому
"Shaped tubes and hidden internal lugs" - yup "inexternal welded" it says on my frames *and* varied elliptical section maintubes concealed cable routing and areo section dropped seat stays... there's nothing new, its all been done before... in steel which can also be welded up when you're daft enough to take your road bike on a BMX track and cock it up. 🫣
@RoyalDudeness Місяць тому
Bikes were technically and financially much more accessible for normal people.
@Da5idc Місяць тому
Absolutely ❤
@markg0410 Місяць тому
While bicycles today offer a wide range of gearing and considerably lighter weights, they also cost an arm and a leg and provide fewer build options. When I say flexibility, I refer to the consumer's choice of parts for a bare frame. You could take a frame and fork to a shop and have a selection of gruppos from multiple manufacturers; the only limitations in your selection involved seatpost diameters and bottom bracket threading. Building a frame with those parts could take less than a couple of hours, depending on your mechanical skills. Building a frame today involves more 'compatibility' considerations, batteries, hydraulic fluids, laptops/mobiles, and tire sealant. There is also the issue of one-piece stem and bar combos, which can prove a nightmare for someone who requires a longer stem length or wide/narrow bars. Progress, as always, comes with a price.
@piast99 Місяць тому
Huh? You can get a decent road bike for 400 - 500 euro. It means that the average European can buy 5 of them for their monthly wages. Frankly speaking I think that bikes are more accessible nowadays than back then.
@markg0410 Місяць тому
@@piast99 I am not saying that you cannot find a bike with a reasonable price, but the 'high-end' prices have gone through the roof.
@Numeriwar Місяць тому
Thank God for disc brake and bigger tires
@johnstrac Місяць тому
Loving your enthusiasm Si, more like this please.
@gcn Місяць тому
He lights up when retro bikes are involved🤣
@johnstrac Місяць тому
@@gcn as he should.
@stuartfreedman6854 Місяць тому
And bikes of that vintage were a joy to service for those of us who enjoy that sort of thing.
@thejoestays Місяць тому
I feel like most of the people who will appreciate a quality vintage bike are the kind of people who also appreciate servicing their bikes. In my opinion, servicing bearings, taping bars, routine maintenance, etc is half the fun.
@stuartfreedman6854 Місяць тому
@@thejoestaysTotally!
@paulmcknight4137 Місяць тому
Right on. I could never fully mantain my cars, but am entirely self sufficient on the bike. It's the ultimate mechanical conveyance, simple and straightforward.
@gcn Місяць тому
How do you think they compare to modern bikes? ⚙
@stuartfreedman6854 Місяць тому
@@gcnNot quite as "explosive" but just as gratifying to ride. Plus the hand made craftsmanship of the frames is marvelous. Not everyone can appreciate this.
@suggyltd9577 Місяць тому
Si. You made me cry. To see that bike on wet roads made me cry. I am envious. You have a a killer job.
@grumpynerd Місяць тому
Jan Heine would probably argue peak bike was Parisian constructeurs in the 1950s with their integrated racks, lighting and fenders -- everything you need to go far on your own on a bike obsessively thought out and refined, right down to a clever scheme for mounting a bell on your stem. I think it's not so much a matter of *the* peak of bicycling, but individual peaks; moments in time where bicycles reach a really high level of focus and refinement, but then circumstances change and that moment is lost. My understanding of what happened with those old style randonee bikes is that back in the days most people couldn't afford to have bike quivvers; so they ended up bolting on the required equipment to their racing bikes and that changed the norm. So in addition to *technological* obsolesnce, sometimes you just have peak trends that disappear because of fashion. In the 80s bike boom companies made a lot of splendid grand touring bikes in the hopes that loaded bike touring would be the next big thing. It turned out that mountain biking was the next big thing, and the grand touring bike went commercially extinct for a couple decades, not because it was unfit for purpose but because mountain biking was where all the focus was. It would be cool to try out these old "peak" era bikes -- a 1950s constructeur bike in a randonee ride or a 1980s grand tourer on an overnight tour.
@paulcollingridge8387 Місяць тому
Back in 1981 I rode a Dawes.... I still have it.... now with Giant I am faster, more comfortable and can ride longer... but when I get back on the Dawes I feel infinite freedom; the simplicity of down-tube shifters and Shimano 600 .... Heavenly!
@gcn Місяць тому
Shimano 600, such a lovely groupset!
@kirstencooper5311 Місяць тому
That bike is absolutely beautiful
@mistagregory Місяць тому
As the proud owner of a 2008 Dario Pegoretti Luigino, I have to say I loved this video more than any other you've ever done. So much so, I clicked the "like" button twice! My Pegoretti brings me more joy (and often speed) than my OPEN U.P. with 50mm deep Hunt carbon wheels.
@mikemarinojax Місяць тому
My Pinarello Dogma is a great bike. I love riding it. But the smile on my face is a bit wider when I'm on my 19-year-old Serotta steel.
@gcn Місяць тому
This is really interesting to read, do you think it is because you don't ride the Serotta as often? Or maybe you do ride it more?! We'd love to know!
@josemanuelrodriguezrodrigu5725 Місяць тому
I love this videos and I love this bikes, more than modern ones. More content like this please. ❤🙌🏻😊
@ingtoningtonington149 Місяць тому
Thanks for this video, Simon. Really enjoyed it. I still ride 90s bikes like this one and they're great and so cool, In my opinion. Mid 90s Bianchi Genius is my peak bike. Tig welded steel frame with campag mechanical groupset just like this one. Simple to use and maintain, probably slightly lighter than the Pinarello in this video. It just works/never any trouble. The Italians have always made great bikes and I like the hand-built in Italy of the 90s.
@TheK1steve Місяць тому
There's room for both, which is why I enjoy my caad13, and 753r Mercian. And my steel specialized allez, and also the aluminium version.
@lilbruin Місяць тому
I'm old and have never been even remotely racy but Steal is Real! Love the look of the old bike. All that's missing is the beautiful lugs. Yes there's a weight penalty, but what price beauty?
@lecoachdefrancais-5983 Місяць тому
If you had the steel bike fitted properly (crank length, saddle, etc...), some narrower handlebars and some more appropriate modern gearings, I'm pretty sure we can close the 10 sec gap easily. A more modern steel bike with light tubing can be also lighter than this one. I ride a bespoke steel bike built with Kaisei 8630 tubing (lightweight tubes but it's the oversized version so not even the lightest ones, and my frame is also lugged), with no fancy components (10 speeds, Microshift derailleurs, no carbon parts except for the pedals, alloy rims..) and my bike is around 8.6kg. My frame builder is higly inspired by the bike era of this wonderfull Pinarello.
@andyczarny1 Місяць тому
Peak bikes where in 2014-2016 bikes. Light weight aero enaugh and last rim brakes. Love them!!
@stanislavkindiakov6334 Місяць тому
Yes!!! I still regret that did not buy a proper bike that time.
@s1alker564 Місяць тому
@@stanislavkindiakov6334fortunately plenty of used bikes for little money available from that era
@osborn.creative Місяць тому
Giant tcr 2022 rim brake model is still available and currently on sale through giant for $1800. I’m about to pick one up. It’s probably your last chance! 🤫
@stanislavkindiakov6334 Місяць тому
@@osborn.creative it will be a good choice for you. But I already have disc tcr, so makes no sense to change.
@JSC131 Місяць тому
Now that's what I call a bike/pinarello absolutely beautiful just wish I was on that Wye Valley road to bump into you Si and see the bike in flesh my generation great content.
@gcn Місяць тому
Hahaha you'll have to catch him first 🤣
@carlyuen4360 Місяць тому
This vid was the best way to start the week - really inspiring to see the Pego-Pinarello "compared" to a modern bike. It might be slower now, but it was an absolute weapon in the TdF and inspired many of us here to ride, tweak, build our own dream bikes. My Pinarello is a steel-carbon hybrid Opera and I still keep up with most of the latest carbon steeds here in mountainous Hong Kong. And if I do get dropped, I can blame both the bike AND the engine (I'll be 50 soon!) Thank you GCN as ever, for your wonderful content and superb filmography and editing.
@gcn Місяць тому
thanks for the comment! ❤️
@stevemartin3435 Місяць тому
Just want to say how very very good Si is at these type of videos on this channel. The way he translates cycling history, the way a bike feels or makes him feel is just wonderful. Please keep up the amazing work Si and team.
@VelosaJr Місяць тому
The pinnacle of cycling is you being able to have both bikes and ride them! But yes.. I agree with everything Si said!
@michaelstoops9922 Місяць тому
I still ride a Scapin that I bought new in 1992. It's a Columbus EL-OS frameset that I built up with Campagnolo Chorus grouppo and deep section Campagnolo Zonda wheels. I've recently upgraded it to a full Campagnolo Centaur 11 speed with the latest Zonda wheels. I made the move to 28mm tires (yes, they actually fit with zero issues) and absolutely love the feel. I keep checking out the latest carbon aero bikes, but just can't bring myself to make the move. I don't race any more but I ride simply for the love of cyclilng and to stay fit. This bike just feels like I'm hanging out with an old friend. Love it! Oh yeah, I wax the chain, too!!
@chrishomel9558 Місяць тому
Absolutely it's Peak. It's oozing with tradition and beauty; a quality not found in most new bikes. I've had a few newer carbon bikes but my favorite bike in my collection is my mid 90's titanium (very obscure) McMahon. It's "luggless" but man does that bike GO. I'm sure very similar to this Pinarello. This said, I do work on my own bikes, and this is something I personally love about cycling making it half the fun. The other half is sailing down the road on something unique. I absolutely love this vintage Pinarello, and if I come across one, second hand, I will buy it. Thanks GCN for this trip down memory lane.
@gcn Місяць тому
Ooh lovely! Who made the McMahon? themself? or was it made by someone else? Many years ago Litespeed would make titanium bikes for other brands as they were a leader in the material!
@FML22 Місяць тому
It depends on how you define “peak bike.”. The old Pinarello is slower and heavier, and probably a rougher ride. But it was state of the art for the most demanding use case in the world when it was built, and is a classic now, in the same way a classic 1950s or 1960s high-end sports car is a classic. I have a modern carbon race bike and love riding it. But I also have a 1980s Italian steel lugged bike with Columbus tubing and 1980s Campy components that I bought for Eroica rides, and I can pretend I’m Eddy Merckx when I ride it, which is something I can’t do on a modern bike.
@shepshape2585 Місяць тому
One thing is abundantly certain: Bikes have reached their peak regarding weight, aerodynamics, group set etc... Unless you're a top pro peloton racer, you haven't needed any of the upgrades of the last 10 years at least. Aluminum frame, Shimano 105 group set, a decent set of wheels and off you go. No carbon, no electronic group set, no $3,000 carbon wheels, no Dura Ace group set, none of it is necessary and is only a matter of marketing that makes you think you'll actually be substantially faster with all of that crap. I've said it 1,000 times and I'll say it 1,000 more times...it's not the bike, it's never been the bike, it'll never be the bike. The fastest guy on your group ride could ride the bike I described above and he's still going to be the fastest guy on your group ride. A lot of cyclists get sucked into the marketing and believe it, and channels like this don't help. Constantly pushing the overpriced name brands, doing videos where they make you think improving 20 seconds on a 30km route is actually important. I'm telling you it's all bs. Your position on the bike, your fitness, your training, your genetics, these are what will determine your outcomes on your bike, not the bike itself. Minimal gains only matter if you're a pro and milliseconds can make the difference between winning it all or not. You're not getting paid to ride your bike, and if you are, then you're not having to pay for your bike anyway, so it doesn't matter.
@brianrainey2739 Місяць тому
Thats a rant. But its a good one. 😁
@shepshape2585 Місяць тому
@@brianrainey2739 it is, but thanks
@TheDom1961 Місяць тому
There is a reason why BMW exist and Toyota, some just want to own a BMW and some can only afford a Toyota. It’s not just marketing. Shimano 105 and Dura-ace are not the same. They do the same function but one is lighter. Cycling becomes a hobby and passion for so many. Some want to ride the same equipment as the pros. I have tried shimano 105 mechanical it does not shift like my Dura-ace mechanical equipped bike. You get what you pay for. I get your point, do every weekend rider really need all this expensive tech? Probably not. But it is sure fun to have when you have the means to pay for it. I like riding my 11 speed Dura-ace. Would I go back to 7 speed Shimano that I also rode in my cycling past? No thanks! No doubt the bike industry with the cost of all this tech has spiraled into the stratosphere of high pricing. I have ridden all types of bikes in the past 35 years of road cycling. Give me my modern carbon bike over all the other bikes I have ridden.
@shepshape2585 Місяць тому
@@TheDom1961 I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I never said you weren't welcome to ride whatever you want to waste your money on, I said it won't make you significantly faster. By the way, GCN already did a video where they blind tested Dura Ace vs 105 and they couldn't tell the difference, but I'm sure you can. I'm sure if I blew that much money on a group set I'd make myself believe I could tell the difference as well. So ride whatever you like. Buy the team model and put some Zipp 88s on it and look as pro as you want. Just don't be sad when you get dropped by the guy on the $1,500 bike with a better engine. Also, your logic leaves a lot of room for improvement. Cars have motors and suspension that make a huge difference in their performance. You can actually buy speed and performance in a car that will set it far apart from its cheaper counterparts. The same can't be said for bikes. You are the motor on a bike, and all that money you spent on a group set and wheels and whatever else you think makes you cool isn't helping you very much at all if you don't have the legs and the lungs.
@TheDom1961 Місяць тому
@@shepshape2585 I really don’t think that “ you” understand my point. I guess cycling is all about going faster to you?? I’m 62 been passed by guys riding 1500$ bikes but then again I have passed guys on 20,000$ bikes half my age. So keep Your comprehension insult to yourself.
@candystink Місяць тому
There's an aesthetic to the old steel bikes that can't be denied, especially the Italian frames with Campagnolo Record C or other such components on them. They were the peak of the bicycling aesthetic in my opinion. As an owner of a few old steel bikes this brings me a great amount of pleasure and is a big part of the my enjoyment of riding. Owning and engaging with something so beautiful brings me a lot of joy. That said, no one will deny that the modern bike is a great improvement from a performance standpoint. Thanks for this appreciation of that era of bikes.
@stevenhaywood5868 Місяць тому
Great film Simon as usual. My winter bike is a Raleigh winner and enjoy it just as much as my cervelo. The two together at the end is like a dream two bike garage.
@JonCannings Місяць тому
Such a wonderful bike. The 90s was a time of massive experimentation for bike companies and so many innovations we see today, came from this era! I remember seeing a Belgian amateur with those Campagnolo Boras and I couldn't believe it. They were mega rare and it was very unusual to see a rider using them.
@chrishazael3157 Місяць тому
Hi Si. I renovated my Colnago New Mexico a few years back and it's hanging up in the spare room. You've motivated me to get it out and ride it again on dry roads. I remember it as being fast when I raced back in the 80's. Fortunately I'm still racing today but on a top end carbon bike... It'll be a delight to feel that silky smooth performance beneath me once more.
@mileslong9675 Місяць тому
Nice looking bike. Love those classic lines. Modern bikes may be better, but I wish they could look like those old classic bikes.
@OldDavo1950 Місяць тому
Campagnolo brakes were some of the first that gave you confidence in the wet to keep control. Something about the rubber compound in the pads.
@andrewmcalister3462 Місяць тому
There's an argument to be made that once bikes had brifters, later design features are only margin gains at best. That said, I do love my carbon fibre disc brake bike.
@Star14trek Місяць тому
Peak bike Campage Super light record after riding one and not riden a steel race bike since 80s (Peugot junior 6 speed?). I was amazed that in the Majoria hills it didnt slow me done🤯
@samhamfast Місяць тому
What a lovely bike! Although I have a modern carbon fiber road bike, I spend nearly as much time riding my 20 year old hand welded Guru with externally routed cables and rim brakes. Like 70s rock, it doesn’t get old.
@MichaelWilliams-iv6dj Місяць тому
I am glad you mentioned the dismal braking. Carbon rims with cork pads in the rain. Yikes those were scary.
@hereticyogiexpectationsups4037 Місяць тому
My Schwinn Paramount from that period was the best bike I ever had. Laterally stiff, super comfortable and forgiving, and beautiful. The little Waterford, Wisconsin shop where Paramounts were made was a dark, slightly grimy, neat little place. I got to sleep on the shop manager's cement basement floor one night while he played jazz guitar upstairs!
@gcn Місяць тому
Sounds like you've got some great memories attached to that bike 👌 Do you still own it?
@hereticyogiexpectationsups4037 Місяць тому
Nope, it went back to the team. Gotta let things go and move on! @@gcn
@jonathanrobinson2628 Місяць тому
I love these deep dives in cycling's history. Fascinating 😁
@gcn Місяць тому
Glad you enjoyed it, any other subjects we should cover?
@glennpettersson9002 Місяць тому
Peak bike was a Swansea, the bike that took me on hundreds of great adventures when I was a young lad. The Pinarello Dyna looks to be a close second though 😁
@ciclisucarta Місяць тому
I love this video, and will always love these bicycles, as this kind of bicycle embodies for me the purest essence of cycling.
@andrewonmyway8184 Місяць тому
Give me the steel framed bike any day.! Gorgeous,!
@stanislavkindiakov6334 Місяць тому
Imho, there were two peak moments: best style steel bikes in 90s(especially when they got hood shifters) and 2012-2015 superlight alu and carbon bikes with rim brakes(caad, supersix, tcr). Now you can get aero-di2-disc brakes monster, but I do not like the style very much, even as I own Trek Madone 2021. And I see little to none of advantage over my other bikes - Allez and TCR
@davidferris4299 Місяць тому
I have 7 bikes, carbon, aluminium and steel. I have a 2017 hand built steel De Rosa black label with 11 speed Campagnolo and Campag wheels. It’s an absolute please to ride and if I had to ditch all of my bikes bar one, thats the one I’d keep. Yes it may not be the fastest, and it may not be the lightest, but at 8.1kg for 55cm size, it’s not the heaviest either. But it’s the one that gives me the greatest pleasure riding, and to me, that’s what it’s all about.
@gcn Місяць тому
8.1kg is respectable 🙌 We bet it's real zippy to ride? 💨
@davidferris4299 Місяць тому
@@gcn Yep. I’ve Mid Compact on the front and 11-27 on the rear. It great to cruise on the flats at 22mph and not too much effort required on the climbs
@Daniel-fm5bq Місяць тому
Dan from Vintage Velos is a Champion:) Much love.
@markbooth6745 Місяць тому
Great video Simon, im glad you didn't slag the steel bike off. I ride steel bikes all the time, don't think the dogma is worth the money at my level. Can't afford one anyway. Steel bikes ,ride realy nice. With modern equipment on them. 😃👍
@JohnAzzi430 Місяць тому
Some TDF climbs on bikes like that still aren't beat. I think the bike industry has been making bike slower to sell more stuff.
@aliensporebomb Місяць тому
These were the kind of bikes me and my bike loving friends would lust after back in the day and would have to be content with some lower priced ride while we had posters of riders on their super-steeds on the wall. Glad to see this one is well being taken care of. I still love the new Carbon bikess but there's something about the tubing that defines a time, and a place and the riders that rode them. I bet you had fun putting it through its paces!
@ronm9357 Місяць тому
I first wore lycra to ride a bike in 1987; that is to say, I've been riding 'seriously' for a while. And I can appreciate bikes from the 80s through today. One of the things I loved was the switch to black spokes on wheels, but those Bora wheels with the chrome spokes look amazing. 😍
@michaelbosch9024 Місяць тому
relate-ability and cool factor is essential for success in the entertainment industry.
@palicar Місяць тому
I’ve ridden a ton of steel bikes and never felt one noodly. They’re all quite stiff and I certainly agree steel is the material of choice for a luxury bike. The best is modern steel geometry with modern groupsets.
@Oggymandias Місяць тому
"Its thirty years old." Damn I feel old...
@gcn Місяць тому
Hits hard right! 💥
@charlesmansplaining Місяць тому
If you've reached the part of your life where you can't race anymore then a steel bike is what you need to get yourself. I view it like this, I don't want the hotshot testosterone overloaded punks challenging me when all I want to do is have a fun ride and get a bit of exercise. I think steel and titanium tube bikes with shiny components are much more beautiful to look at too. I have a custom US frame builder currently building me a frame which he says I should have in May. The builder is one of the best and the bike will be a masterpiece with 10 speed Campagnolo Centaur. If you love bikes you have to like that Vintage era of bikes that are still around and still being showcased like the one in this video. Thanks for showing us this one.
@_J.F_ Місяць тому
I am so old that I grew up with steel bikes being the only option for mere mortals, so there is obviously some nostalgia because of that. That said I own a carbon framed bike with Di2 and hydraulic disc brakes today and there is no way I would rather go back to the old steel bike. And it makes sense just like I don't drive an old 1970 car with actual handles to manually roll down the windows, no satnav, and only if you were lucky a decent car stereo that would play FM/AM radio and maybe a tape deck if you were lucky. I think it is great to cherish the history of bike engineering, and admiring the work going into making them, but I cannot see them ever replace what modern technology and engineering can offer at least not in professional cycling or for that matter in terms of comfort and not least safety.
@krisberntzen Місяць тому
Absolutely beautiful! No aero BS, no battery that goes dead, no brakes that rub and are a pain in the ass to set up/maintain, no wide tires that you're meant to run on low psi. Skinny, hard tires, and well - isn't a 25 tooth cassette pretty light for it's age?
@rlawsonp Місяць тому
Both of those Pinnarellos are sweet! I def like the style and nostalgia of the 90s era bikes. I still ride my 1999 Specialized Allez Pro aluminum with original Shimano Ultregra 600 groupset and it’s such a joy to ride. However, some maintenance items are getting harder to find. To me it’s a little similar to old vs. new computers or cell phones - old is cool for nostalgia, but less practical and functional now. Thanks for the video!
@eeyou Місяць тому
I can't believe I'm seeing a 4K video from GCN. Technology is here, finally!
@alphasportstv Місяць тому
Yes they bought a $1000 4k cam with all the savings from shutting down GCN+!
@axelmogr Місяць тому
a welcome change indeed. 1080p uploads have horrible compression on YT
@gcn Місяць тому
You asked and we answered 👌
@jiggamanjnu1on1 Місяць тому
In the end, whatever is created from here on out also… nothing beats that classic geometry. 💎
@jasondunn5410 Місяць тому
Great film, lovely bike! Cracking backdrop to film in, made the bike look a million dollars. And I totally agree with Simon regarding old and new. My two bikes are 14 years apart, but my old Cannondale 6 is super easy to maintain and just as enjoyable to ride, albeit a touch slower, as my modern Ribble.
@gcn Місяць тому
Glad you enjoyed it! Bikes are just brilliant aren't they?!
@technocynic Місяць тому
can't be a peak steel bike without beautiful lugs
@ChrisCapoccia Місяць тому
Biggest step forward is bigger tires allowed by switching from rim to disc brakes
@richcrompton6891 Місяць тому
I think you have just shot the video that explains N+1 perfectly 😊 I’ll have both please❤️
@gamby16a Місяць тому
My new dream bike is in the spirit of this bike. Custom lugged steel, Ritchey carbon fork, Force 22 carbon mechanical gruppo, Avid BB7 mechanical disc brakes, 50mm carbon clinchers. Looks beautiful and rides spectacularly. 🤓
@KenSmith-bv4si Місяць тому
Awesome video Si. I wanna see more bikes from 60's and 70's. My first bike had 20" wheels a banana seat with a sissy bar plus ape hanger handel bars. Dad bought it at Pep Boys and were made by Derby bicycle circa 1965. I think they used old boiler tubes from a WWII battle ships to make the steel tubes Derby's used to build their bikes.
@rbonn3880 Місяць тому
Loved, loved this. My heart wants to say the TDF bike, especially with Campy, but cycling has changed so much in such a short time that today's Pinarello has to be the choice. Sid, you are one lucky guy to get to ride both of these beauties.
@lesflynn4455 Місяць тому
10 seconds? I thought the difference would be greater. The '96 tour bike is lovely. RIP Dario Pegoretti.
@syaieya Місяць тому
I acknowledge that someone can absolutely go faster with lighter, aero, modern bikes. But that era of horizontal top tube welded bikes post downtube shifters are just art. The clean lines, almost entirely metal construction. It's a spectacular work. To put a similar era car in comparison. I think of the Pagani Zonda. Yes, there are far more capable, faster, user friendly cars since then. But nothing else has the same aura about it. Genuinely I think peak bike was nearly there at that moment in time.
@salzhaltigersalzhaufen586 Місяць тому
Well tbf that bike ways as much as my very entry level Tred Domane AL 2 Disc from 2020 I believe. Considering the age of that bike that is seriously impressive
@NH00531 Місяць тому
Being of the 90’s racing generation I’ve always maintained my own bike, which is what my contemporaries did too. I think back then cycling was a bit more of a niche thing and maybe considered slightly ‘out there’ as hobby! Even today there’s no way I’d let a bike shop near any of my machines (with the exception of one), good for banter and parts though.
@ukestjohn Місяць тому
I love my 1991 Miyata 914, and my 1985 Miyata 1000 is probably peak touring. And I am one of those niche people who does all their own maintainance. So since I'm retired, and will never shell out ten grand for a modern carbon bike. I guess I'm saying that Pinarello is from the peak bike era.
@fasteddie2413 Місяць тому
My first real racing bike was a 1980 Guerciotti. Bought it new when I was 20. Built by the brothers. Still have it. Still ride occasionally. Wonderful bike.
@zulu1184 Місяць тому
I think your car analogy stands. A modern Aston Martin Vantage is undoubtedly ‘better’ than a DB5… but we all know which one we would rather own 😄
@michaelwells8412 Місяць тому
I love my late 80s custom frame but I'm a silly city single speed, fixed bike casual, who won't cycle without a place to go but doesn't own any other form of transport
@markcowell8096 Місяць тому
Really enjoyed that Si....you have a great way of conveying the fun of cycling. I appreciate the trial was not pure science, but I wonder what the time difference would be between your modern Pinarello, the Dyna and a Tour bike 30 years older than the Dyna, (over the same course) so a mid-60's bike?.....I suspect it would be a lot more than 10 secs, between the 60's bike and Dyna, which means the Dyna is probably not far off peak.
@charleslewis1357 Місяць тому
Great video, I loved it. For any lover of steel bikes this is great content. More please! What about the Merckx MX Leader etc…..? Those last iterations of steel frames in the pro peloton are fantastic in my opinion.
@gcn Місяць тому
Great suggestion! We'll see what we can do!
@andypierce6593 Місяць тому
There are things I love about riding an old steel bike with a big chainring, and doing the repairs myself. It’s great to show off for “bike to work” day and other festivals. But in the end I can ride a mid or even low level modern road bike and blow away my times on the older bikes.
@drkneesandtoes6312 Місяць тому
In 1983 my new bike was the first one in the club that had the brake cables routed along the bars, not sprouting out of the top of the levers. Loads of the old guys were convinced I'd come a cropper as I somehow slid off the hoods. 40 years later, and I've never slid off the hoods! And the layout is standard, not to mention internal cable routing for the STI and equivalent shifters (or even wireless) replacing the down tube shifters. I'd go with this (Pinarello - not my beloved Avocet) bike being at or near 'peak bike'.
@erich8258 Місяць тому
14:40 or so -- thank you for saying this. Most people don't do their own maintenance beyond oiling the chain and pumping up the tires, and yet most bike reviews assume that everyone is a home mechanic.
@manitolas Місяць тому
About that..today i tried to setup my 2x10 tiagra and the only gears that work is that i did not touch,now i got 3 speed and im waiting the bike shop to open 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@slamtotten Місяць тому
Regardless of whether or not newer bikes are faster, I will always love and prefer the look of a bike with small round tubes and a chromed fork.
@aluminati9918 Місяць тому
Great video about a great bike! Watching this just after a ride on my modern carbon/ disc brake bike, descending a bit in the wet, navigating potholes etc. Must say I don’t miss the old premium bikes, and I’ve owned several of them. They look like $$$ however 😊
@dario3716 9 днів тому
What a beauty! Awesome video. Please for the future use pedal power meters in the test if you want to compare at all. Otherwise its just guessing. For me peak bike is: Sloping geometry (Giant TCR), compat cranksets with big range cassettes, aero wheels and frames, mechanical shifting, easy accessible cables.
@ianrobertson8514 Місяць тому
Steel needn't result in a "heavy" bike. I have a 2018 rim braked Condor Accacio with 9100 DuraAce mechanical without any silly componentry and it tips the scales at marginally under 7.5kg. The ride is sublime.
@josephlindsley5942 Місяць тому
Love these videos ❤ You've convinced me to get another bike
@gcn Місяць тому
What bike are you looking to get?
@josephlindsley5942 Місяць тому
Love the look of the Canyon Aeroad ever since seeing y'all ride one in one of your vids@@gcn
@fender1000100 Місяць тому
Peak bike was the Tern Verge X11 released in 2017. No other bike compares to that masterpiece..
@johndebrita9013 Місяць тому
This is timely for me. In 2005 I treated myself to a new bike in recognition of a few milestones. Tommasini Techno with a Campy Chorus groupset. Triple! At the time, each year’s carbon frame from all the manufacturers seemed to solve a problem from the prior year. The problems with steel had been resolved long ago, so that’s the way I went. The bike has been a joy. It’s been on three trips to Italy, one in Emilia Romagna and two in the Alps and Dolomites. Now I’m 70 and thinking it’s now or never to try the new technology. Carbon frame, hydraulic disc brakes, electronic shifting. But I’m hesitant. The money for a new bike ($8k+) would more than cover another trip to somewhere fantastic, and I could rent a modern super bike to see what all the fuss is about.
@goingoutotheparty1 Місяць тому
They're both beautiful bikes 🚲
@user-tt1on9zy8x Місяць тому
Owning a Colnago Master that has modern Campy Record and an Eddy Merckx EMX-5 with the same Campy Record, the Colnago is just as fast but it needs a caressing hand.
@dotadojardiner8893 Місяць тому
The Pinarello Dyna has SOUL like most beautifully crafted bikes of that era, hardly any modern bikes have this. That makes it peak for me.
@nigelthomas8898 25 днів тому
Liked this. I’m still riding aluminium framed early iterations of Giants TCR and Defy bikes. Still going strong and never let me down
@fredmcgough748 День тому
Thanks for the video. Makes me want to take the Suntour components off my vintage Cannondale bike and get Campy.
@cipo36an203 Місяць тому
I own the same frame (but 58.5size) from 1995. I had discussed about it with Dario few years before he passed away. Way too big for me but part of my collection.
@seattlegrrlie Місяць тому
They are both absolutely beautiful and you're lucky to ride either of them
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