How Tesla Fumbled

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@Wendoverproductions
@Wendoverproductions Рік тому
One note: this video is going to get a lot of negative response, and we’ve made it with full knowledge of that. In fact, #TSLA investors pre-planned their brigading strategy for this video on Reddit, having seen it yesterday on Nebula, so take the comments with a grain of salt. 
A couple of things I’d like to highlight: - This video is titled “How Tesla Fumbled.” It’s not “The State of Tesla in 2023.” This video is specifically focused on the ways that Tesla squandered its lead, so it inherently omits the positives-that’s the video we decided to make. - The thesis of this video is not that Tesla will fail, but rather that Tesla made some missteps that squandered the massive lead it built for itself, and that it’s therefore going to be more difficult for the company to maintain a dominant market position (but not necessarily impossible.) - This video has no undisclosed funding sources. Wren is the only sponsor on this video. I am not currently a Tesla shareholder, not do I hold any options on the stock.
@npb2030
@npb2030 Рік тому
😊
@la_soga1394
@la_soga1394 Рік тому
Good you made it clear lmaooo
@jijitters
@jijitters Рік тому
Shame to hear that people were planning to go after this video. Good on you to stick to uploading it and ignoring them.
@AlonMoiseyev
@AlonMoiseyev Рік тому
Some people really want to leech off musk's little member, as if they'll get rich too
@WarlordM
@WarlordM Рік тому
They're making their cars cheaper now, they'll be alright. And if they're not they'll just sell to a bigger company.
@thatpersonsmusic
@thatpersonsmusic Рік тому
You know what essentially does full self driving, without you needing to make any interventions? Trains
@MarcusHawksley
@MarcusHawksley Рік тому
Unfortunately the same logic gives us taxis. Possibly the worst offender in emissions.
@egoequus6263
@egoequus6263 Рік тому
Train people don't talk about getting to and from stations and making intermodal connections.
@thatpersonsmusic
@thatpersonsmusic Рік тому
@@egoequus6263 legs Or if it’s farther, a bike.
@egoequus6263
@egoequus6263 Рік тому
@@thatpersonsmusic Tell that to all the soccer mom's toting their groceries and brats. Very little one can get done in a suburban environment without a door-to-door vehicle. Wishing we all lived in a city is not a solution.
@egoequus6263
@egoequus6263 Рік тому
​@@thatpersonsmusic The problem is that we need effective transportation for the environments already built. I already see new developments that employ walkable suburban layouts in NYC suburbs, but they do not address all modalities because of the existing surrounding areas. Telling people to just tear out the suburbs and rebuild is not viable.
@ryancartwright7487
@ryancartwright7487 7 місяців тому
I work in a parts department, and every time we get in a used Tesla to sell at my dealership I die a little inside, we can't get parts from Tesla and have no way to repair them, can't even get license plate screws for them or wiper blades for some. It's so annoying, they operate like an Apple store not a dealership.
@justalonelypoteto
@justalonelypoteto 2 місяці тому
I thought there was a right to repair bill that specifically made that kind of policy extremely illegal for car manufacturers, and that it passed a solid 20 years ago, does Tesla just care as little about that law as they care about respecting unions?
@Life_Weekend
@Life_Weekend 2 місяці тому
@@justalonelypotetoI don’t think Tesla as a company respects laws of the land. Look at their abusive acts in customer service and more importantly its owner’s behavior.
@lakovkreativity1451
@lakovkreativity1451 Місяць тому
I remember that one guy who rebuilds teslas to spite the company was having a hard time just to get caps for the stems on the tires
@pbinnj3250
@pbinnj3250 Місяць тому
My experience with Apple is service is off the chart amazing. Has your experience been bad?
@seangoldman6833
@seangoldman6833 27 днів тому
@@pbinnj3250 Apple is very focused on creating an environment that works very well as long as you only use Apple products and are fine with paying Apple to make any of the changes or repairs you need. Personal anecdote, but a friend of mine had her hard drive fail in her laptop and needed it replaced. Unfortunate but nothing is perfect. She had to buy a hard drive, which is expected, then she had to pay over $100 in service fees and pay to ship her laptop to an Apple repair center to get the hard drive installed. A hard drive installation, something I can do in a handful of minutes with a screwdriver on my personal devices.
@levigriffith3324
@levigriffith3324 Рік тому
The build quality issue is somewhat of a self-inflicted wound as well. I'm from Ohio, and Tesla was once offered the chance to buy a GM factory as long as they agreed to take the skilled workforce that came with it, and they refused because of the labor union that came with it. Now that workforce makes cars and batteries for yet another competitor
@GarageGuerilla
@GarageGuerilla Рік тому
@@pt9845 you must be legally blind to call Tesla's build quality superior to GM
@MemeManDan252
@MemeManDan252 Рік тому
@@pt9845 Teslas are built like shit compared to other cars in their price range.
@pengooczar2470
@pengooczar2470 Рік тому
Sure, GM workers would be more skilled, but we also know how UAW killed conventional auto companies. I'm not sure if it was a bad decision.
@ronblack7870
@ronblack7870 Рік тому
uaw is a cancer on gm and ford and any other manufacturer .
@TheDisgruntledImperial
@TheDisgruntledImperial Рік тому
Don't blame them for avoiding unions.
@benharmon9575
@benharmon9575 Рік тому
Would have been good to touch on Tesla's anti right to repair as well.
@RNA0ROGER
@RNA0ROGER Рік тому
I can half way understand that given many whom attempt such things are stone cold fools. EV's are yet to be fully accepted there after any and all bad pressed kind of means jack. When the average person owns a model 3 for years without fires or explosions. I think Tesla should be pushed to provide a very clear road forward on right of repair and binding. Better batteries and production might be a more major focus but these cars should be as easy to repair as possible. They should seek to become the next toyota except with rwd and shit tons of power.
@l.u.c.a.s.
@l.u.c.a.s. Рік тому
The video is how Tesla squandered its market lead, not about everything questionable they've ever done. Apple fucks with right to repair too, and they're terribly successful.
@jan.tichavsky
@jan.tichavsky Рік тому
That's what suprised me the most in a bad way. They have been the tech leader maximising the innovation so they don't care about competitors copying them because with such fast development their tech will always be couple step ahead, including the software, training servers, data gathered from the whole fleet which are hard to replicate. Then they turned to be Apple of cars where they locked their repair process and selling of spare parts so it's hard to do anything without official service center. Rich rebuilds famously documeneted that on his channel.
@JasonTaylor-po5xc
@JasonTaylor-po5xc Рік тому
Pretty much everyone is that way, especially with anything with a lot of electronics involved. My mechanic has to order special parts from Chrysler for my minivan - so I'm only saving on labor at that point (which is still significant).
@Sabrintwitt3r
@Sabrintwitt3r Рік тому
@@l.u.c.a.s. at least Apple didn't produce Galaxy Note 7s for 3 years straight, just sayin'
@risefuzion6530
@risefuzion6530 Рік тому
I know that right to repair wasn’t in the thesis for the video but I think it would have been a nice mention when you were talking about service centers. Tesla could provide better service if they provide parts and repair manuals to independent repair shops but instead they vehemently want customers to go through official channels only which is why they’re in that predicament.
@mzaite
@mzaite Рік тому
Think about this, if the FACTORY trained tech system sucks this bad, how bad do you think their third party repair support would be?
@brujua7
@brujua7 Рік тому
is probably to keep designs secrets no? maybe there is no documentation ^^?
@stephenj4937
@stephenj4937 Рік тому
@@mzaite There are 3rd party specialty Honda, BMW and VW shops in every mid-to-large city in the US; they provide stellar repair service. Why would a 3rd party Tesla specialty shop be any different?
@Random_dud31
@Random_dud31 Рік тому
@Michael Zaite because 3rd party mechanics need to compete. If their service is bad, no one will go there. In my experience, 3rd parties have always been better. But, with companies DRM their products, of course it repairs will get worse. Thats why right to repair is very important
@dougerrohmer
@dougerrohmer Рік тому
@@brujua7 Third party will only be "black box changes". You don't have to know what's in the box to figure out it's broken, especially on a Tesla which has a very tight internal communication structure. The car can probably tell you what's broken.
@NovemberOrWhatever
@NovemberOrWhatever Рік тому
I hope the trend of everything being a touch screen that Tesla started will reverse. They just aren't the best way to control a car. If you look at F1, they've got a foot pedal for gas and break and literally every other control in the car is mounted to the steering wheel. There's also only one screen and it isn’t touch-sensitive. Maybe that's too far the other direction, but I think it'd be nice in a consumer car. All-touchscreen was a terrible design choice by Tesla, making it unsafe and inconvenient.
@1queijocas
@1queijocas Рік тому
Yep, touch screen is annoying as hell. At work there is a touch screen pc next to a normal one and guess what? Everyone uses the normal instead Touchscreen takes too long and is much more unreliable
@NovemberOrWhatever
@NovemberOrWhatever Рік тому
@@1queijocas Especially if both you and the screen in question are bumping around a bit because of the whole driving thing
@orange_turtle3412
@orange_turtle3412 3 місяці тому
Having a touchscreen is fine. But some controls like audio volume, AC temperature, etc. are much more convenient when they’re on physical buttons that can be found by feel alone. Operating a car is dangerous and requires constant focus on your environment, so minimizing the amount you have to look away from the road ahead is always safer.
@gooseloose682
@gooseloose682 3 місяці тому
i guess having one touchscreen that you can patch through software is cheaper than physical buttons that when even the car itself is shoody quality wise the buttons will probably be worse lmao
@briannormant3622
@briannormant3622 3 місяці тому
Yeah, Haptic feedback is something that cars should be obligated to have. Its a massive risk to have to quit looking on your windshield to fiddle around the touchscreen. In older car, once you go knew the layout. you could change everything with your hand feeling while keeping your eyes on the road. I like technologie and new stuff. But new is not inherently better and the old fashioned way is the best
@Josh-Teder
@Josh-Teder Рік тому
As a Tesla owner who lined up for a Model 3, I agree with your points. The only thing I’d add is at least in the US, Tesla’s continued short term advantage will be its charging network. It’s 2023 and PBS Newshour just did a roadtrip with a Rivian in California and ran into all the issues we’ve seen before with these charging networks. Broken chargers, payment systems off line, it was kind of a nightmare. That stuff has got to get fixed before I’d ever have my primary trip vehicle be a non-Tesla EV. Superchargers just work. The company did get that experience right from the get-go, and the payment system is seamless.
@jackiecs8190
@jackiecs8190 9 місяців тому
I think this is a great point, and for unclear reasons Tesla seems to working hard to make it irrelevant by pushing NACS, getting other cars to use Tesla's plugs and be compatible with Tesla's network - eliminating that competitive advantage
@faketruth7740
@faketruth7740 8 місяців тому
As ev become more popular, there will be more fast charger across the country. Give it another 5 years and every single gas station in the country will probably have a charging station. This is already starting to happen in my area, every resturant, cvs, walgreen, shopping mall, parking lot, and others have a charger for EV. This charging network advantage that Tesla have, like you said is just a short term advantage.
@karenwang313
@karenwang313 7 місяців тому
It's probably the smart idea, Tesla would make tons of money off licensing
@anon2427
@anon2427 7 місяців тому
Superchargers still suck ass, having to stop for a couple hours every so often is a massive disadvantage compared to taking all of 3 minutes to fill up gas
@anon2427
@anon2427 7 місяців тому
@@faketruth7740only true of metropolitan cities. It will never be financially feasible for every mom and pop gas station in middle America to add a supercharger. Not enough people will use it, they take too long, and the amount required would be insane. EVs are okay at traveling around cities but suck for road trips. Also most EVs take overnight charging to reach capacity… and installing a fast charger in your home is around $5000, on top of the overpriced cars themselves. Massive barriers to entry on all front for realistically no benefits
@JoshHoulding
@JoshHoulding Рік тому
The Cybertruck is appropriately named because it literally looks like a truck in Cyberpunk 2077 that didn't fully load, so just appears to be a polygon.
@peepinR
@peepinR Рік тому
Is that your way of saying it's hideous? because it's hideous.
@davidochoa7117
@davidochoa7117 Рік тому
@@peepinR its lovely
@heyolorenns
@heyolorenns Рік тому
@@davidochoa7117 ur on drugs
@pt9845
@pt9845 Рік тому
over 1 million preorders too
@princetchalla2441
@princetchalla2441 Рік тому
@@pt9845 over 1 million still undelivered 🙃
@SaltpeterTaffy
@SaltpeterTaffy Рік тому
Elon Musk: "Delivery logistics hell." Wendover: "Future content inbound."
@Mrbfgray
@Mrbfgray Рік тому
Yeah pure bullshit from opening lines. What a childish waste of time.
@jonathanpalmer228
@jonathanpalmer228 Рік тому
Makes you wonder why he’s finally going after him tho? Is it because his lean to the right that he is now going after him
@Zenrei940
@Zenrei940 Рік тому
@@jonathanpalmer228 +1 Republicans / -1 Democrats -1 for Democrats in Tesla leaving CA. +5 at $$$$ profits for Republicans stealing California money with Tesla monopolizing in CA with draconian I.C.E. vehicle policy's in CA.
@SaltpeterTaffy
@SaltpeterTaffy Рік тому
@@jonathanpalmer228 Probably not. You simply can't throw the word "logistics" around and expect Wendover not to investigate.
@1C5C5C1
@1C5C5C1 Рік тому
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@PaulHo
@PaulHo Рік тому
Severely overlooked consequence: the drivers are gunning to outdo BMW drivers as some of the absolute worst on the roads. They either didn't know what they were getting and don't use any of the driving assist, still leaning with one arm on the wheel and riding the lane lines with a significantly heavier and jerkier steering ratio, or relying entirely on the driving assist and overly cautiously navigating traffic with extended braking distances and mile long lane changes. They're also really fighting for the reputation of not using turn signals.
@uselesshero
@uselesshero 9 місяців тому
Most Tesla owners aren't "drivers", they just drive a car sometimes, compared to someone who is passionate about cars and thus takes driving more seriously. They are also much more distracted because they keep playing with their cars. Give these people 0-60 in less than 3 seconds and you're asking for trouble.
@PaulHo
@PaulHo 9 місяців тому
@@uselesshero I drive a Prius C and am so much more aware of every other car leading up to a red light or on ramp, let's keep it moving people! I may be small and only have a listed 99hp, but I'm still passing all these dumb M3s (BMW and Tesla) by carrying all of my momentum and timing things correctly.
@companymen42
@companymen42 7 місяців тому
That’s just LA drivers in general
@Elenrai
@Elenrai 3 місяці тому
In fairness most people that drive for work only tend to have limited experience, and adding the urban EV nature on top is just asking for a tard on the road. I work delivery, I cringe almost daily seeing people just...like...pissing about with the idea of being competent while also not really knowing their basics, or practicing it@@uselesshero
@dragonbrg9541
@dragonbrg9541 3 місяці тому
The thing that gets me is the one pedal driving and Teslas randomly slowing down and speeding up.
@Pushing_Pixels
@Pushing_Pixels Рік тому
The EV market really needs to settle on a single charger design. If Tesla's is propriety, the rest of the market may be able to catch up by standardizing a design that they all use. Having the USB-C of chargers would help the rest of the market greatly.
@FlorinArjocu
@FlorinArjocu Рік тому
Outside the US (and Japan, I think), there is a single charging plug now. Except Tesla, even in the US there is an universal one. Tesla is the one not willing to switch, just like Apple. I am so glad in Europe there is an imposed universal plug.
@JoeOvercoat
@JoeOvercoat Рік тому
Musk’s filed a patent specifically to make the port proprietary. There’s nothing special about it other than the shape than the federal government subsidize purchase of his high profit vehicles by wealthy consumers. I’m hazy on what the Biden administration did to get Musk to open those superchargers up the other makers. but that’s something.
@JuillietMartine
@JuillietMartine 8 місяців тому
Your wish has been granted lol
@LAG09
@LAG09 7 місяців тому
In the rest of the world that's already happened. Here in Europe CCS is so dominant not even Teslas use their proprietary charging port anymore.
@edim108
@edim108 3 місяці тому
​@@LAG09they don't use it bc they are not allowed as EU mandated that standard, just like they did USB-C for phones.
@bababababababa6124
@bababababababa6124 Рік тому
Electric cars, while somewhat better than regular cars for the environment, will never be as good and as helpful as just building a decent transport network Lol 420 replies nice 🍁
@morenauer
@morenauer Рік тому
Never gonna happen as long as corporations hold democracy by the nuts.
@tombo416
@tombo416 Рік тому
Someone please show this comment to Americans
@IHateStroads
@IHateStroads Рік тому
Electric cars aren't about saving the environment, they're about saving the automobile industry.
@Guru_1092
@Guru_1092 Рік тому
As someone who lives in the USA this is painfully true...
@headcoatee
@headcoatee Рік тому
It will be nearly impossible to sever carbrained suburbanites from their dependence on cars without a total upheaval of our economic system. So EVs are a necessary compromise for now.
@flynnparish9833
@flynnparish9833 Рік тому
As it turns out, building a factory that produces half a million cars per year is really hard.
@niteshade5783
@niteshade5783 Рік тому
But is it as easy as it was to fix twitter?
@colinthomas8638
@colinthomas8638 Рік тому
Very insightful, I can't recall where I've heard that before ;)
@barlmax4095
@barlmax4095 Рік тому
specially when you make it harder for yourself by having a “quantity over quality” mentality that forces you to send a vehicle even if it’s build incorrectly because stopping the line is prohibited also specially when your workforce slices their hand on a normal basis and they are fucked cause you are too focused on trying to stop them from unionizing than trying to make them produce better cars
@Iceman-kr6df
@Iceman-kr6df Рік тому
It’s even more difficult when you spend more time keeping unionization efforts down than you do ensuring quality
@sadmanh0
@sadmanh0 Рік тому
@@barlmax4095 can't blame Tesla for quantity over quality, there was several reports at the time that they were under a lot of pressure from shareholders to ramp up car production.
@nope1918
@nope1918 7 місяців тому
The Tesla cult is real. It seems like they're taking the Apple approach: Sell a product not as a product but as a lifestyle. Then, it doesn't matter if the product is actually good in any objective way, people will buy it because of the lifestyle it represents. And will act like it's a personal insult whenever you point out the product's shortcomings. Honestly I don't understand how people get so sucked in by marketing like that, but obviously it works.
@meganathan98
@meganathan98 3 місяці тому
yeah but after elon went from annoying tweeting child to a full fledged jerk i think the cult is being eaten away a lot
@ads2686
@ads2686 3 місяці тому
​@meganathan98 he still has his cult, it's just they wre his twitter followers who will never buy a tesla.
@rogerk6180
@rogerk6180 23 дні тому
​@@meganathan98his cult is changing. To a cult that can't afford teslas or are still fully addicted to gasoline.
@Graz-00
@Graz-00 Рік тому
being in a tesla has the aesthetics of a dentists office with the comfort of an airport waiting area
@campelodemagalhaes
@campelodemagalhaes 8 місяців тому
loool. What an absurd comment. Tesla and my office chair are my most comfortable chairs daily.
@tyttuut
@tyttuut 8 місяців тому
​@@campelodemagalhaesMust be a really crappy office chair.
@AtalixZero
@AtalixZero 8 місяців тому
You're gonna piss off the fanboys... But I agree. I've sat in every model of Tesla except the roadster, and they ALL feel sterile, cold, bland. It gives off the exact vibe... of being inside a fancy computer with wheels.
@Graz-00
@Graz-00 8 місяців тому
@@AtalixZero I’ll take an early 2000s GM shitter with 5 different shades of brown in the interior before I even consider a Tesla
@fayenotfaye
@fayenotfaye 8 місяців тому
in terms of comfort, the interior is fine, I've sat in plenty of cars and its good. It's not "luxury" but it's definitely not bad and to say so is disingenuous. It's just average or slightly above average depending on the price bracket (or slightly below average for the somewhat overpriced Model S and X).
@OriginLegend
@OriginLegend Рік тому
As a Tesla owner myself, and someone who really enjoys my Model 3 and absolutely purchased one because of the emerging EV reality, this video was spot on. I always thought the same thing about Tesla, that it could have been basically a monopoly, with their superior charging network as their wall to guard them so to speak. Honestly the Model 3 was supposed to be the "grown-up" moment, but it just wasn't. I love my car, I really do, I wouldn't trade it for any other car, but I could also never, in good-faith recommend it to just any random person, since the experience really is so niche. I love this Channel, and this video was truly excellent. Great job
@samarthsharma539
@samarthsharma539 Рік тому
Nice
@tclmac1
@tclmac1 Рік тому
This hit piece was published 2 weeks ago, about this company with data about 5 to 8 years old.... Literally, every sentence in this video was false, with the exception of leading car being f150. If you own a tesla, what do you see true in this? I'm very curious.
@ricardokowalski1579
@ricardokowalski1579 Рік тому
Elon identified that the niche of high income early adopters was big enough to pursue. As Henry Ford said it himself: had he done a market study, the consumer would have asked for a faster, more mpg, lower emission ICE (a horse drawn carriage) instead of a model 3 ( model T) ALSO, to this day, Elon wishes he could have called his car lineup "TESLA" . But since "model T" was taken, he had to go "S3XY". 😁
@evanmunro1984
@evanmunro1984 Рік тому
​@@tclmac1 paid fanboy has entered the chat
@tclmac1
@tclmac1 Рік тому
@@evanmunro1984 have you even seen or heard of Paid fan boy from tesla? Chevy, ford, even byd, they all have paid fan boy or defam boy... but tesla don't pay nobody. You are dillusional.
@jtmcdole
@jtmcdole Рік тому
The things Tesla did was to make EVs sexy and build out a massive charging network. I owned a volt for years and I loved it, but if you looked at a Leaf, Volt, or other EV at the time, its clear the major manufactures were never going to build something better unless pulled kicking and screaming. Charging overnight is pretty much all the changing anyone will need 97% of the time; but having a fast way to charge that isn't cumbersome goes a long way to erasing range anxiety... and frankly 240v level 2 charging doesn't fill that gap. Tesla changed those things.
@amvin234
@amvin234 Рік тому
As a very happy Volt owner, someone who will almost certainly never own a Tesla, and someone who considers the cars over-rated and more a fashion statement, I do appreciate what Tesla did for the EV market. I acknowledge that, if not for Tesla, the EV market would likely be a small fraction of what it is today. And, ironically, all of the reasons that someone like I don't like Tesla are the reasons it helped propel the rest of the EV market. Namely, they made EVs "cool" and fashionable. I just want a good EV that gets me from point A to point B reliably, safely, and comfortably. But you do need those first adopters, and the more fashion-conscious those first adopters are, the more quickly the rest of the public is going to desire it. Tesla made a fashionable car that fashionable people wanted, driving demand downstream, even if on an individual basis I don't really understand why anyone would opt for an overpriced, poorly-built Tesla given the competition today (granted, the competition has only been competitive in just the last couple years).
@danielrolfe1960
@danielrolfe1960 Рік тому
@@amvin234 Because I don’t agree with your conclusion. Lots of people are happy with the Volt, I would not be so I buy a car I am happy with which is a Tesla. This video is filled with inaccuracies and bias, drawing conclusions based on insufficient data. I’m sure it attracted the view and like volumes they wished for though. 👏
@ulisesjorge
@ulisesjorge Рік тому
@@amvin234 Some portion of the market are going to buy a vehicle because they are "cool and fashionable", but can you really say that was the motivation of the 1.3 million buyers that got a Tesla last year? At that price point? Because that would be a very expensive fashion statement. And I get where you're coming from, specially after hearing the tiresome arguments of people who barely drive a couple dozen miles a day being "concerned" about range. However, the Volt and the Nissan Leaf are just unprofitable attempt to keep the government happy. Tesla strategy of starting with the luxury segment of the market made sense because at the state technology was when they started nobody could make a mass-market vehicle (say, something that could compete with the Toyota Camry on price) at a profit. Even then, Tesla didn't became profitable until they came out with the Model 3 and even more so with the Model Y SUV. For EVs to replace ICEs they need to be profitable for the manufacturers, and Tesla is the only one that's making a profit selling them today.
@jtmcdole
@jtmcdole Рік тому
To be clear here; I believe in what Chevy and Ford are doing - the F150 lightning would have been my purchase years ago when I was in the market for larger electric vehicles. I just believe they had to see proof the market was real - and Tesla did that. A different company use to take the Silverado and convert it to a Volt-hybrid (Via's SolTrux) - but they weren't selling to consumers.
@rudiratte1
@rudiratte1 Рік тому
That was in the past.
@smollmoth6376
@smollmoth6376 11 місяців тому
Does anyone else feel like this is a concerningly more common issue with products now of days? Like even expensive products are built so cheap and are liabel to break early in their lifespan.
@poisonpotato1
@poisonpotato1 8 місяців тому
Yup, cheaply made with extraordinary prices. So it when it breaks you have to buy a new one
@reeddeer793
@reeddeer793 3 місяці тому
(Not saying it’s good) but I think it’s intentional because of the product only lasts a month the company can sell more of them
@mrdwets8952
@mrdwets8952 2 місяці тому
Welcome to capitalism friend! It is one of the worst things that humanity has come up with right behind social media.
@rogerk6180
@rogerk6180 23 дні тому
Late stage capitalism at your service.
@TheEvox81
@TheEvox81 Рік тому
The failure to deliver something compelling in the truck market despite turning the Tesla hype machine up to 11, nearly a half decade ago, is telling. But what that says about the future of their other models is very concerning, too. The Model S is over a decade old. There doesn't seem to be any move to update/refresh/replace it. And with all of their efforts focused on getting Cybertruck out the door, it's unlikely we'll see any movement on refreshing their existing lineup anytime soon. There's a reason the established manufacturers have shortened their refresh cycles to as short as 2 or 3 years, on some models; and Tesla is not in a position to keep up. They no longer have the cache to coast by on "because it's a Tesla". They're just another car company now. And they need to start acting like it.
@Tential1
@Tential1 Рік тому
Yup. Good thing failure to deliver a truck doesn't mean Tesla isn't insanely profitable. It means they made stupid public statements.... Boo hoo. People like you can gloat about that. I'll gloat about the 14B in profits, eclipsing Ford and GM. So ya... Make fun of old designs and broken promises. That's nothing on profits. I can name tons of companies who did similar. Intel refreshed the same CPU architecture for 8 years and was late on every single release for example. You know about Tesla because the media talks about it. They don't talk about every single company doing the same thing (to less of a degree.). They don't mention Tesla profits either. Because they don't want to look stupid. Tesla wins when we talk financials... The thing I care about as a shareholder. I'm very happy Ford refreshes your designs for you and has "better quality". I hope the 2 billion dollar loss is worth it..... I'll take 14B in profits. Every year we hear about Tesla's tired designs. And every year, we set new sales records...... Lol.....
@Tential1
@Tential1 Рік тому
You say that, as we set another sales record, the north American profit record, etc. Lol.... Yes, you're right, the designs are old... Yet..... We still keep selling em.... Just like how people cry about expensive hermes /Louis Vuitton. Just because you don't want it, doesn't mean someone else doesn't want it. You like refreshed designs? I like money. If we actually have issues, then I care. But if it's just the dumb headlines you normies read because opening a companies financials is too hard? Then I don't care. 50% yoy EPS growth.... That's what matters. When Ford and GM have 0% revenue growth regularly, I don't care what they do. I don't make money with zero growth. Tesla makes money. So I want the vehicles? No. Do I care? No. I care about money. And Tesla delivers more money every year. This year, we'll do 20B +, more than any auto company in the world.. Already did 14B. Dude. Stop reading headlines. The financials are what matters. Tesla wins on financials.
@cadekachelmeier7251
@cadekachelmeier7251 Рік тому
They started taking 50k deposits on the 2nd gen Roadster 6 years ago on the promise that it would come out in 2020. Taking money for a car that far out is ridiculous and should be illegal if it isn't already. You're more of an investor than a customer at that point.
@TheEvox81
@TheEvox81 Рік тому
@@Tential1 Wow, that rant was... a lot. Especially after some pretty massive price cuts to address falling demand. I didn't say Tesla wasn't wildly successful. I didn't say they don't sell vehicles. I simply said that their designs are dated. And for an established brand, which they are now, that can be problematic. And as someone who loves money, you should see it as a problem too. The Tesla hype machine isn't done yet, but that time will come. And for the investors, like you, and car enthusiasts, like me, I truly hope Tesla can keep their momentum.
@intrepidpursuit
@intrepidpursuit Рік тому
They haven't tried selling a truck yet. They prioritized model y production because demand remained high while supply chain issues took up a lot of resources and made launching a new product way more difficult. Yes, it was significantly delayed, but it is clearly a combination of COVID and being a victim of their own success with the model y. Annoying if you are a reservation holder, but nothing but good news if you are a stock holder.
@matthewklos7184
@matthewklos7184 Рік тому
One reason I think people buy Teslas, which was not mentioned, is because of the charging infrastructure/network. I own a F150 Lightning and on a road trip finding reliable, fast CCS chargers can be hard and off putting.
@chocomilkfps1264
@chocomilkfps1264 Рік тому
The two people I know who bought teslas did for this reason. With another car you can’t even plan a trip because you can’t count on the station you need to even be working or have what it says, meanwhile Tesla can tell you real-time which of its chargers are operational and where
@samsniper2000
@samsniper2000 Рік тому
Not a problem in Europe lol, also f150s are ridiculous America is a plague
@TStark-vj2wo
@TStark-vj2wo Рік тому
Thought Tesla just said they are opening their charging infrastructure to all soon.
@thorerik
@thorerik Рік тому
@@TStark-vj2wo For the Americans I hope so, in Europe it was very beneficial when there was a line at a charger, I went on to charge at Tesla in Denmark last summer. It will massively boost the appeal of all other EVs in the states when they do.
@matthewklos7184
@matthewklos7184 Рік тому
@@TStark-vj2wo "By the end of 2024" so in my book not anytime soon.
@thomasreese2816
@thomasreese2816 Рік тому
For service centers, it is worth remembering that close to half of states barred them from operating there due to local dealers fighting tooth and nail. It is down to single digits, but has been a large uphill legal battle
@madman19931612
@madman19931612 Рік тому
Well lets be real, having a mechanic that can only work one brand, and having a car that can only be serviced by one mechanic is problematic in its own right. (I know other brands are also moving in this direction, it's problematic there as well)
@Lucas-hb1uq
@Lucas-hb1uq Рік тому
True but other luxury/exotic car brands have even less service centers than Tesla but still maintain a higher quality product than Tesla. Ferrari, Lamborghini,
@flavioa6351
@flavioa6351 Рік тому
@@Lucas-hb1uq you’re comparing teslas 40k - 100k to Ferraris and Lamborghinis. You’ve lost already
@TStark-vj2wo
@TStark-vj2wo Рік тому
Wonder if there's a "Right to repair" aspect to this as well.
@michaelcrossley4716
@michaelcrossley4716 Рік тому
That's because they sell online and not through dealerships. It's a stupid rule, but you cant have your cake and get to eat it too.
@Joe-xy3vy
@Joe-xy3vy 3 місяці тому
It's the same problem that so many of these startups have. A group of financiers and tech bros get together and decide to sell dog food. They hire a bunch of 22 year Olds straight out of Stanford, build a web site and find supply chain solutions. But what they don't do is hire anyone with experience in the dog food industry.
@draedonlongley2259
@draedonlongley2259 Рік тому
the thing that does set tesla apart is the relatively fleshed out supercharger network, but that network can be unreliable and far too expensive, unless you have an older model that supercharges for free, this is not a selling point
@cesarpegado69
@cesarpegado69 Рік тому
The only way to digest this video is watching with SMR on Solving The Money Problem ! 😂
@staticgrass
@staticgrass Рік тому
This video has zero context, which SMR provides. If Wendover is just going to list all of the problems Tesla has had over the last five years. Then whats the conculsion? Tesla isnt perfect? Well okay. We are watching the literal equivalent of Teddy Roosevelts quote "It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better".
@ruyek28
@ruyek28 Рік тому
I am finding myself re-evaluating, everything I have heard or learned on Wendover. Thats how bad he has fubared this shit.
@fumie4996
@fumie4996 Рік тому
found the TSLA investors
@ruyek28
@ruyek28 Рік тому
@@fumie4996 you bet!
@cesarpegado69
@cesarpegado69 Рік тому
@@fumie4996 you guys are so clever, that’s cute 🥰
@ethynjackson8056
@ethynjackson8056 Рік тому
Always glad to see Wichita in a video, even though it's almost always because of a problem.
@FrayTitannia
@FrayTitannia Рік тому
I recently saw Wichita mentioned as the hometown of the former director of disguise of the CIA in an interview!
@jayfrank1913
@jayfrank1913 Рік тому
I liked Wichita's depiction in the 1975 film, _A Boy and His Dog,_ starring Don Johnson in his first film role (if you don't know who Don Johnson is, see _Miami Vice,_ an 80s hit police drama show. He's also actress Dakota Johnson's father).
@oscines2170
@oscines2170 Рік тому
You have me dying over here man that’s hilarious
@nocouponsforkaren8587
@nocouponsforkaren8587 Рік тому
I live in Minneapolis so I feel you on that one
@matthewnorthrop7586
@matthewnorthrop7586 Рік тому
Wichita gang
@incorrectbeans
@incorrectbeans 24 дні тому
Me seeing this in my feed right now and fully expecting the video to be brand new😂
@rogerk6180
@rogerk6180 23 дні тому
Haha me to..
@TimeBucks
@TimeBucks Рік тому
I'm surprised you didn't mention Tesla's superior charging infrastructure.
@johngaltline9933
@johngaltline9933 Рік тому
Not very superior when it doesn't have a CCS plug that the entire rest of the EV market around the world uses.
@AnupKumar-yc9gz
@AnupKumar-yc9gz Рік тому
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@Shuubox
@Shuubox Рік тому
He didn't mention it because that's a good thing, and he doesn't want that in his "tEsLA bAd" video. He also didn't mention the fact that states are actively going after Tesla and imposing caps on how many showrooms/service centers they can have, or the fact that other EV's have their own numerous issues..
@x--.
@x--. Рік тому
He makes it clear, he's reviewing their mistakes and their _future_ impact. Clearly they wouldn't be a huge company without many successes. You would have been happy with, "Tesla has a huge charging infrastructure that they continue to expand?" That would be silly to include. So then he has to review the charging network. So he'd acknowledge Tesla has the largest network for now and continues to grow it but here's the thing: *PEOPLE CAN'T DRIVE CHARGERS* -- the _only_ reason the charging infrastructure becomes relevant when evaluating the future market conditions if there is some sort of major structural issue that will prevent others from expanding their networks to compete. Considering Tesla just _finally_ opened up their charging standard to everyone else, even they recognize that meaningful competition in charging infrastructure is here or will be soon. So why mention it? From a storytelling perspective it adds nothing to the entire point of the video _and_ it doesn't fundamentally contradict his point that Tesla has fumbled.
@asimasim9254
@asimasim9254 Рік тому
Good
@sterlingodeaghaidh5086
@sterlingodeaghaidh5086 Рік тому
Being one of those Kansas F-150 owners, surprisingly, I am seeing more hyundai's and even Rivians out here than Teslas or even F-150s
@earthling_parth
@earthling_parth Рік тому
And it's a good thing 🙂
@gtd9536
@gtd9536 Рік тому
It's likely the reason why Tesla lowered it's price of it's cars. They would never admit they were forced to, but it's undeniable that the competition is is nipping at Tesla's heels and Tesla's hegemony is in serious doubt as the presence of this video (and others) suggests.
@sterlingodeaghaidh5086
@sterlingodeaghaidh5086 Рік тому
@@gtd9536 thats just business, to compete its sometimes better to sell at a loss up front to look competitive so you can make more money on the back end.
@nntflow7058
@nntflow7058 Рік тому
Hyundai is the new Toyota.
@natecollins9331
@natecollins9331 Рік тому
@@nntflow7058 Maybe, but i heard some cases that Alabama made Hyundai tend to have engine likes to burn after more than 6-10 years of use ...
@paulgrant1320
@paulgrant1320 Рік тому
All good points, I really appreciate your video. I am no fan of any vehicle manufacturer, but battery capacity is a large portion of this problem.
@avnishbhatt2313
@avnishbhatt2313 Рік тому
My Tesla M3 has been sitting in the shop for the past 15 days of 20 days ownership.
@NEVAstopGAMER
@NEVAstopGAMER Рік тому
I'm a tesla owner up in the Dakotas. I really wanted to go with the Ioniq 5 when I was going the EV route, but the CCS charging network up here at the time of purchase was almost non existent. I can road trip a tesla out of the Dakotas. the same can not be said of other EV's, unless you plan to make loooooong stops for level 1 charging. If I were to buy today, I would still likely lean towards tesla, just because of the supercharger network. Electrify America has taken the crown for CCS fast charging in the US, and they have a long ways to go to match the Supercharging network in terms of reliability, availability, and number of locations.
@DannerBanks
@DannerBanks Рік тому
Yeah I feel like this video did not adequately address the absolute dominance of the Tesla charging network versus rivals. It's no contest; electrify America is in a distant second place.
@esquiredan2702
@esquiredan2702 Рік тому
Electrify America stations aren’t maintained well at all; they’re very unreliable. You can’t have an unreliable charging infrastructure if you’re going cross-country. You need to be able to look at your phone, or on your car’s screen, and see not just that the stalls are operational, but precisely how many are in use and what the expected traffic will be at that location when you arrive. My car knows these things long before I arrive there.
@Darkmaiki
@Darkmaiki Рік тому
@@DannerBanks this is only true in the USA. in Europe we have good regulation that makes all chargers standardized
@ElectricGlider2016
@ElectricGlider2016 Рік тому
DING DING DING! This is the primary reason why Tesla will continue to have marketshare and relevance for years to come. The Supercharger network was completely missed by Sam as a reason to continue to buy Tesla.
@DannerBanks
@DannerBanks Рік тому
@@Darkmaiki good point!
@nfcknblvbl
@nfcknblvbl Рік тому
In my state, Georgia, the senate put a hard limit of 5 showrooms Tesla can have open at any time. Dealerships have been lobbying very hard to prevent manufacturers from selling direct to consumers, and Tesla - among other car makers such as Rivian and Lucid, will have problems with expanding.
@tcrebelguy
@tcrebelguy Рік тому
That’s going to be a big issue for them going forward. Because it was the only EV company, Tesla managed to convince a good number of states to make exceptions to their dealership laws that allowed them to sell directly to consumers. This is something that auto manufacturers have wanted to do for decades, and it gives Tesla a huge competitive advantage and large profit margins. But now that every car company will soon be an EV company, there’s no rational justification to give them that special treatment. I think we’ll soon start to see states either limit or take away that exemption.
@zhoufang5753
@zhoufang5753 Рік тому
@@tcrebelguy Honestly, dealerships no longer make sense, manufacturer to consumer is a better model and I hope every state legalize that approach.
@MrLoube
@MrLoube Рік тому
People who vote for politicians that let dealers skim money off their car purchases deserve this
@UltimateBreloom
@UltimateBreloom Рік тому
Gotta love the "free market".
@cucuawe465
@cucuawe465 Рік тому
@@zhoufang5753 dealership are the one marking car price surge ridiculously.
@bazoo513
@bazoo513 Рік тому
This is a rather good overview. Tesla has fulfilled its "historical role" - dragging the incumbents, kicking and screaming, into the third millennium. That it still leads the market is thanks to two factors: fanatical loyalty of initial "well off Silicon Valley nerd" early adopters, and relative incompetence of traditional carmakers in this new set of technologies (see, for example, persistent problems VW has with software, while mechanically and design-wise their ID series cars are every bit as good as the ubiquitous Golf.) Bot neither of this will last - the supply of the former is finite, and the latter will learn.
@andreasstrauss5194
@andreasstrauss5194 6 місяців тому
The issue behind VW´s Software problems had to do something with Tesla because the then VW Boss wanted the EV´s more Tesla like the issue was that he came to power at the time where VW readied the new MK8 Golf and ID3 and you can guess how well it works out if a company decides to throw away all their work and start over again a couple of months before the launch
@HemstitchedIrony
@HemstitchedIrony 5 місяців тому
This will last until other companies can catch up with Tesla infrastructure, electric cars are an infrastructure problem not a individual vehicle problem.
@SkyGlitchGalaxy
@SkyGlitchGalaxy 3 місяці тому
Lol. It has succeeded in plunging 100s of Billions of investment in EVs. Weather EVs deliver on the promise is another thing entirety.
@bazoo513
@bazoo513 3 місяці тому
@@SkyGlitchGalaxy They will, or we are back to buggies.
@SurmaSampo
@SurmaSampo 3 місяці тому
​@@bazoo513ICE vehicles will still exist and be produced for a long time yet.
@gg-ip3zo
@gg-ip3zo Рік тому
I got my Tesla Model 3 online, for me, I don’t have any issues except battery degradation, otherwise the build quality is very good and close to my Porsche and Mercedes.
@gensao
@gensao Рік тому
Fortunately battery degradation are minimal for Tesla cars. Older EVs had poor battery management. My Toyota PHEV has lost 50% of it's range.
@peternystrom921
@peternystrom921 7 місяців тому
How or when do you feel the battery degradation,? sounds total made up. its nothing that you realy experience.
@eroskaw5423
@eroskaw5423 3 місяці тому
just keep it between 20 to 80. mine lost less than 1% in 2 years
@bobbybishop5662
@bobbybishop5662 3 місяці тому
BS Tesla interiors are not even close to a Mercedes quality.
@ads2686
@ads2686 3 місяці тому
I'm sorry but don't compare tesla build quality to porsche or Mercedes. That's a joke.
@sperkisimo
@sperkisimo Рік тому
Sam, in my city of Kosice, Volvo is buidling huge factory exclusively for the production of EV's. Would be cool if you make a video about the insane logistics of opening up EV factory 😋
@Dylan_Marshall
@Dylan_Marshall Рік тому
That was an interesting emoji choice
@davidtapia6290
@davidtapia6290 Рік тому
@@Dylan_Marshall he’s hungry for knowledge
@sonvan6714
@sonvan6714 Рік тому
ok
@lurkinturk4284
@lurkinturk4284 Рік тому
There wouldn't exactly be a lot of information on the logistics of opening an EV factory. Especially considering it is an emerging market, I'd assume the process would not be made transparent, as to not give their competitors the know how to steal their market share.
@johannesgutsmiedl366
@johannesgutsmiedl366 Рік тому
@@lurkinturk4284 It's not really all that different from any other car factory... I've had the opportunity to visit both the Tesla Gigafactory in Berlin as well as a BMW factory elsewhere in Germany and you really need to understand quite a bit about the technology to spot differences. They use the same machine suppliers and, outside the drivetrain, largely the same manufacturing processes.
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes Рік тому
Also of note: You point out Rivian and Lucid as rivals, but they too have yet to make it through "production hell". As of last quarter, Lucid's reservation holder list was shrinking due to withdrawn reservations faster than due to delivered vehicles. Tesla problems are not always unique.
@noahno
@noahno Рік тому
Like saying my burger spot is a competitor to mcdonalds because i have plans to open a second location
@psihius
@psihius Рік тому
I just watched today Lucid CEO expertly dodging production number questions going full legal department answer. Massive red flags, it seems they are in a really deep shit :\ Saudi's might buy them out completely and then who knows what will happen with them.
@thomashajicek2747
@thomashajicek2747 Рік тому
but Tesla has yet to enter into production heel with their fugly cybertruck.
@psihius
@psihius Рік тому
@@thomashajicek2747 Sure, but they also have the hindsight of Roadster, Model S, Model X, Model 3 and Model Y + a frickload of profit to a point they are stacking 12-15 billion into the bank on a yearly basis despite putting MASSIVE investments into building multiple factories for cars, batteries, megapacks and so on.
@Powaup
@Powaup Рік тому
Yea and let’s not forget Rivian is selling most of their current cars at a heavy loss to early reservation holders
@trulsdirio
@trulsdirio 21 день тому
This whole thing is so much more hilarious knowing how bafflingly bad the cabertruck turned out to be.
@TheLovedUnbound
@TheLovedUnbound 21 день тому
Haha 😂
@AK.__
@AK.__ Рік тому
I just watched the video of first Cybertruck reveal. It was laughable to read the comments where people discussed how good and innovative this truck, and how they paid deposit and waiting...still waiting.
@lordhoden
@lordhoden 11 місяців тому
You go ahead and give an accurate timeline for a stainless steel car that has an exoskeleton, that requires the invention of new production processes :D And then tell me how many decades you were off. I too would be pissed if I didn't see any progress, but that is not the case. You see massive progress in fact. And in a few months first deliveries will start anyway.
@AK.__
@AK.__ 11 місяців тому
@@lordhoden Kind of yeah.... but they lost momentum, while planning to produce first EV truck on Earth, the Ford , Rivian and Hummer released their cars, while Cybertruck is somewhere. Hyperloop is also extremely innovative, hence the progress is extremely slow, but it doesn't help.
@lordhoden
@lordhoden 11 місяців тому
@@AK.__ id say more that Elons timelines dont help :D Sure the Ford and Rivian trucks came first, but lets be honest. Those customers wouldnt have bought a cybertruck anyway :D Sure delays suck but i dont think many people that have reserved a cybertruck changed their minds to get a ford or rivian. Thats not the same customerbase imo
@AK.__
@AK.__ 11 місяців тому
@@lordhoden Yes, agree. Whoever want Cybertruck - should wait imo. Who wanted EV truck, the Ford Lightning will be good.
@QuantumImperfections
@QuantumImperfections Рік тому
I've been in Automotive Manufacturing for nearly a decade (including a small 'fail fast' start-up). I recently applied and got through a series of interviews with Tesla and during the final interview was able to recognize without working there: "Everything is chaos, It's fast for the sake of being fast, Sacrifice Quality for Delivery". The most senior to least senior professional I interviewed with (6 total people) demonstrated that no one knew what the position would truly cover and had different comprehension on what problems the position was actually solving. I'd worked in this environment before and making measurable changes is near impossible - meaning the 60-70 hours weeks would be pointless because of the culture of "I want it fast a week ago" would create burnout for no 'measurable' reason. I was disappointed; expecting chaos but not something to such a catastrophic level.
@nbibby
@nbibby Рік тому
Interesting insight, I fear that the speed for speeds sake isn’t unique to Tesla. It’s a perverse interpretation of agile concepts which sought to reduce the fear of failure but has been reinterpreted as doing a half baked job equating to being “high performer”. It’s compounded further by the rewarding of what I call pyromaniac fire fighters, the people who allow fires to start then become organisational heroes for putting out the fires they started or at least left to burn. The quiet consistent performers who stop fires starting are judged to be superfluous. When these people leave or are removed more fires occur and the heroes get even more opportunities to “perform”.
@1forrest1
@1forrest1 Рік тому
I worked there for 3 years, good on you for noticing this before joining. The engineering teams are mostly populated by smart, but young people who just don't have the experience to recognize dysfunction
@VitaeLibra
@VitaeLibra Рік тому
@@nbibby It was the same when Elon fired the programmers at twitter who had written the least lines of code. Thus firing the most experienced, most efficient, those specializing in debugging and other safety features and so on. Basically all the worst people to have missing
@JMurph2015
@JMurph2015 Рік тому
I mean I was told by an engineer at the much better run SpaceX that they "didn't believe in systems engineering as a discipline". This was right in front of a CEO of a small aerospace company who almost burst out laughing at this 20-something, non-manager engineer's hubris. If SpaceX is that chaotic, you can be assured Tesla is worse.
@Daniel-yy3ty
@Daniel-yy3ty Рік тому
@@VitaeLibra wait, what? So between someone that solved a problem with 5 lines of clean code and the next dude that needed 150 lines of spaghetti, he kept spaghettiman?
@wm9904
@wm9904 Рік тому
"legacy car manufacturers, as a Saturn rolls across the screen" 😂😂😂😂
@JoeOvercoat
@JoeOvercoat Рік тому
Right? That was both cruel and a missed opportunity. The big guys and their sales net work changed their tune to match Saturn!m’s and crushed that little company after they demonstrated that if you treated women like human beings, they would buy their cars. Now Tesla comes along and demonstrates some EV things like how you need a supercharger net work, and apparently a pack of lies but that’s nothing new in Detroit. So we shouldn’t be surprised if Detroit quietly grinds tesla down the same way they did Saturn.
@heathwirt8919
@heathwirt8919 11 місяців тому
Tesla must have hired the design team from Saturn, they look just as generic.
@JoeOvercoat
@JoeOvercoat 11 місяців тому
@@heathwirt8919 I suspect that they all look the same to save on production, tooling costs.
@MrThedrachen
@MrThedrachen Рік тому
Damn, Wren picked correctly sponsoring you. The only more powerful sponsorship they could get in. My eyes is last week tonight.
@Bustermachine
@Bustermachine Рік тому
Honestly, looking at the history of 'trend setting' or 'innovative' companies. It's very rarely the first guy to market who actually ends up coming out top of the heap. I think Tesla may yet prove to be 'one of those' sorts of companies. Where the market conditions of their early growth change out from underneath them.
@ggApollo
@ggApollo 5 місяців тому
Tesla is by far not the first company to attempt EVs.
@maclain728
@maclain728 5 місяців тому
⁠@@ggApolloIt’s the first company to make them mainstream though, before Tesla you never heard people talk about electric cars. These days when I ask people what their dream car is, Tesla is one of the most common answers They definitely kickstarted the EV revolution, but I don’t think long term they’ll be the company to take advantage of it the most. We’re still in the growth phase with relatively little serious competition, that’s already changing and as time goes on we’ll move from growth to market consolidation by the biggest players
@Klipik12
@Klipik12 Рік тому
It seems like the biggest draw to buying a Tesla in 2023 is the supercharger network. It probably won't be as ahead as it is now by 2030, but for now every other charging station is a gamble.
@johnnycheung5536
@johnnycheung5536 Рік тому
For Tesla to maintain its competitive advantage in the US, the Supercharger network has to remain exclusive to them, no other carmaker/brand can use it. That simply doesn't work when the goal isn't to have every American drive a Tesla, but to wean America out of ICE, because Mother Nature certainly isn't waiting for them to start reducing emissions. The Sandys, Ivans and Ians are just for starters.
@kolkoki
@kolkoki Рік тому
Theres some points that sam failed to mention :( - In the Europe Market, second hand teslas are just super competitive. Right now i can get a 2017 100D Model S for 55k€, cheaper than a base Ionic 6 - Software experience. The integrated infotainment system is still currently the best. - Supercharger network and integration - Looks? As much as the ionic 6 stunning is, a model S still is more beautiful - The model 3 still has no real competitor in Europe , for there are EV compact sedans but no midsize one - Before the introduction of the Ionic 6 i keep referring as, there are no other full size sedans "affordable" (BMW, AUDI and Mercredes all really way more expensive), not everyone wants a super big and heavy SUV !
@gson3001
@gson3001 Рік тому
also if you belive in the full self driving part, just that it is not proper full self driving yet doesn't mean it is bad, i don't know any car that has better "auto pilot" yet
@jacktumba375
@jacktumba375 Рік тому
Even then, Tesla announced plans to open the network to other cars, and there are reports of superchargers with universal CSS chargers in the US right now. The supercharger draw is beginning to diminish.
@SlackActionBumble
@SlackActionBumble Рік тому
Absolutely. I would love to trade my model 3 for an ioniq 5 but traveling any distance without access to supercharger scares me.
@rolfathan
@rolfathan Рік тому
I've been noticing so many Rivians on the road lately. Granted, I'm in an area with a HUGE Tesla presence (since the consumers in this area can easily afford them, and there's a location to repair them near here), but still, every time I see a Rivian, it seems like that easily could have been a cybertruck sale.
@LenaPotechin
@LenaPotechin Рік тому
Hello fellow Seattleite lol.
@Arishtanxmi
@Arishtanxmi Рік тому
@@LenaPotechin it’s either Seattle or the Bay Area haha
@mem7806
@mem7806 Рік тому
​@@Arishtanxmi nah i see them all the time out in socal suburbs
@arthurschildgen5522
@arthurschildgen5522 Рік тому
@@Arishtanxmi Or Chicago; with Rivian's factory here in Normal, IL, we have a lot of Rivans here.
@giangkim8789
@giangkim8789 Рік тому
ok
@Thomas-VA
@Thomas-VA 11 місяців тому
After looking at some funding site scams, there clearly is an audience that will buy into a dream, even as it becomes a nightmare or such, funding the hubris of the creators/owners (some with good some with grifting intents). So Tesla has a real product, just problems with making/delivering on but it's also the crowd that funds it to see the flaws and truly evaluate where they put their money.
@abnersanchez3463
@abnersanchez3463 19 днів тому
Aged like wine
@calvinminer4365
@calvinminer4365 Рік тому
I'm surprised the video didn't touch on the fact Tesla hasn't refreshed/redesigned any cars, which is what legacy car companies do every 3-5 years. This means Tesla cars haven't changed much in years and the aesthetic is getting long in the tooth.
@CRneu
@CRneu Рік тому
because tesla can't afford to do so. their QC is already seeing a steep decline and that's after a decade of producing the same cars. if they have to up and redesign they'll have a lot of issues. Add on that tesla has a huge amount of brain drain and has really started to slow down in terms of innovation because of it.
@xGatoDelFuegox
@xGatoDelFuegox Рік тому
They have indeed refreshed them. They take out features every month! You never know what features your car will get until after delivery...
@rogerk6180
@rogerk6180 23 дні тому
They look completely outdated next to their current competition. They all look like they where designed in the mid 2000s. Which they basicly where. The model s was a sleek sexy car when it came out. Now it just looks like a 15 year old car.
@rogerk6180
@rogerk6180 23 дні тому
​​@@CRneutesla needs to merge with a legacy car maker. They don't have the scale to be competitive. They need to be able to share platforms and thus cost between multiple brands and models like every other car maker that still exists today. Independend car makers habe no place in the current market. They had a 15 hear monopoly in which all governments around the world where throwing thousands at every tesla that was sold while recieving billions upon billions of free publicity globally. That all ends now as the market matures. Tesla will just be another small niche automaker in a very competitive busy market that requires new model cycles every 5 to 8 years..
@johnstanford7240
@johnstanford7240 Рік тому
I've had a Model S since 2017 and I've experienced almost all the negative things the video talks about, but one area where Tesla still blows everyone else out of the water is their supercharger network. My battery has degraded by 5-10% since I got my car, but it's actually easier to road trip than before because there are so many more superchargers than there used to be. When I got my Model S, there were 2 superchargers in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. Now there are at least 10. The superchargers are very reliable too. There might be one or two not working, but most superchargers have 10 or 12 and they usually all work. I've tried these other 3rd party chargers like EVGo, etc, but they suck. You really can't count on them working and when they work, they're really slow. Tesla is experimenting with opening them up to other EVs, but they can always stop doing it if it causes more problems than it's worth. The other automakers don't have anything close right now. Road tripping in my Tesla and hopping between superchargers is one of my favorite parts of the Tesla ownership experience.
@casedistorted
@casedistorted Рік тому
It was not bad for long trips as a taxi company but terrible compared to just having a hybrid car. But that taxi business went out of business within 3-4 years after replacing Toyota Prius hybrids with tesla long ranges thanks to the ridiculously higher electricity costs from the city for charging 30-40+ teslas every day all day long. As a solo user it is probably great, but yeah we had major battery life problems living in a cold winter state too, half the battery would be gone in winter months as opposed to the summer. So I can imagine living in a warm place with a tesla is probably a pretty great experience. Where it gets cold it is miserable, the 300 mile battery turns into 150 miles instead. Not good for a cab company.
@Budgetgadgets2
@Budgetgadgets2 Рік тому
I don't know if you've been reading tech news, but Tesla has started opening up its charging network to non Tesla cars.
@dixztube
@dixztube Рік тому
was thinking of an i4 this year, but would you say an electric is worth it?
@goldenfloof5469
@goldenfloof5469 Рік тому
There's a good reason why gas stations aren't owned by car companies. Because if they did they did then they could put a lot of pressure on people to buy their cars simply because it's hard to get gas if no gas station in town serves your car brand. The only reason this hasn't been addressed legally in the same way is because EV's aren't big enough yet and chargers aren't common enough yet. But once they are, then if that kind of practice isn't shot down like the plague it is then we're in a for a world of hyper aggressive, monopolistic car companies who have yet another vein to be greedy and exploitative.
@rh_BOSS
@rh_BOSS Рік тому
I feel like the Supercharger is probably the foot in the door that could help Tesla hold on to a meaningful market share in the next decade. If they lose the charger format war the old boys of auto manufacturing world will eat them for breakfast.
@Fyre0
@Fyre0 Рік тому
Might want to start looking at Rivians getting bricked, too. People are reporting not even being able to unlock and open the doors in cold weather and the support is atrocious.
@Thicc_Boyo
@Thicc_Boyo Рік тому
That's what happens when you have silicon valley morons who've never seen snow before building cars.
@Tential1
@Tential1 Рік тому
No, it's only a news story if it happens to Tesla.... When my Mercedes had idiotic problems, it was never national headlines. But Tesla.... They change a price, national headline. Your local dealer gives you a different price every day? Normal...
@AvgJane19
@AvgJane19 Рік тому
​@@Tential1 that's not much of a point. If company's are accepting money, they need to deliver. And we need to call them out when they don't.
@lordhoden
@lordhoden 11 місяців тому
@@AvgJane19 Has there ever been any company in the history of mankind that ramped production without issues? Genuine question.
@YipYipAppa_
@YipYipAppa_ Рік тому
Love the misaligned door in the thumbnail 😂
@malcolm2771
@malcolm2771 Рік тому
Your graph at 6:30 is wrong. For $50,995 you can get a Mach E with a 247 mile range. If you want a 310 mile range its an additional $7,000 and the 0-60 time jumps to 6.1 seconds.
@MIKOOL13
@MIKOOL13 Рік тому
People love to quote top trim specs and base bare bones MSRP.
@tommeng6522
@tommeng6522 Рік тому
lol it's propagander
@saulza2
@saulza2 Рік тому
This video is littered with falsehoods. Like when he said BYD sells more EV than Tesla
@jeffpapp1
@jeffpapp1 Рік тому
I also like how he compares the Model 3 to the Bolt and fails to mention charging speeds which is a giant difference
@mattieuleveille
@mattieuleveille Рік тому
This video is full of biased, damaging, and false information.
@yoshyoka
@yoshyoka Рік тому
The only part I really question is about why Western companies fail in China: it is less about not understanding the market and more about an incredibly unfair playing field set by the government.
@Jason-wp2nq
@Jason-wp2nq Рік тому
I mean it heavily depends on the industry, but it’s a complicated case by case story in China. In Tesla’s case, they are still heavily supported by the Shanghai municipal government. Whilst electric car manufacturers Nio and BYD are supported by Hefei municipal government and Shenzhen municipal government respectively. Regarding the unfair playing field, the difficulty is most municipal governments are weary of supporting western companies, when domestic alternatives exist and western companies (investors and shareholders) are weary of having the tag ‘Chinese state owned or supported company’ which Tesla is totally fine with and used for extra publicity in China.
@costiqueR
@costiqueR Рік тому
The entire video is a lie, all the facts are presented to mislead. Half of the profit of the VW group is made in the Chinese market. Half! Have you ever heard about Wuling Hongguang Mini EV? Maybe this was why Biden said that GM/Bara is the leading EV, because this minicar is best-selling in China and 49% is GM... so this video is just a bad joke full of lies...
@onemorechris
@onemorechris Рік тому
the same is true of most countries. The US gives a ton of subsidies to many things that are built in the US for example not to mention rampant lobbying which i’m guessing is easier if you speak the language and already have connections
@yoshyoka
@yoshyoka Рік тому
@@onemorechris Sorry but no, not even close. The amounts of red tape, forced technology transfers, legal inequality, capital controls, forced introduction of party members in your board, ostracism when it comes to certifications etc... The amount of barriers China sets to foreign companies is staggering. This not to speak to outright bans on services such as for Google tec.. -
@onemorechris
@onemorechris Рік тому
@@yoshyoka Huawei is banned in the US. that’s an outright ban too. the US government tried to force the sale of TikTok to an American company: that would be a forced swap of all the board members
@xenotiic8356
@xenotiic8356 Рік тому
13:35 It's wild to see a bit of stock footage filmed somewhere I have driven past hundreds of times, but very cool!
@grzegorzkapica7930
@grzegorzkapica7930 3 місяці тому
17:10 You are forgetting one argument; Tesla earns money on EVs.
@rogerk6180
@rogerk6180 23 дні тому
For now they do. As they should. We will see if they can keep doing that in the future as a niche independent car manufacturer. It would be the first.
@iveslao
@iveslao Рік тому
Just to be fair, if someone knows where and how they can go to a dealership today and buy an non-tesla EV without any markups, or even just test drive one , any EV, let everyone know.
@brunoheggli2888
@brunoheggli2888 Рік тому
Renault Volkswagen Hyundai all have great evs without markups here in europa!
@JuFo2707
@JuFo2707 Рік тому
My (European) local bmw dealers has one that you could buy for list price rn.
@ogzombieblunt4626
@ogzombieblunt4626 Рік тому
@@brunoheggli2888 Sorry I don't want to pay the Spacex delivery fees from Europa.
@brunoheggli2888
@brunoheggli2888 Рік тому
@@ogzombieblunt4626 Ok!Just leave the US and go to Norway Danemark Finnland or the Netherlands!
@bobjoe109
@bobjoe109 Рік тому
​@@brunoheggli2888 I think he was making a joke because Europa is a moon of Jupiter
@Hifuutorian
@Hifuutorian Рік тому
Musk stans can keep coping.
@maraj100
@maraj100 Рік тому
As a Bolt owner, I agree with others that Tesla's competitive edge is its charging network. I can't help but think that Tesla is the Blackberry of EVs - it has really led the pack, but if the kinks continue, it will be left behind. I do give it huge credit for getting the EV market going and exciting people to try EVs at all.
@scenario7gaming202
@scenario7gaming202 Рік тому
Tesla is like Apple. Legacy auto (GM, Ford) is like Blackberry. Production is hard.
@paddington1670
@paddington1670 Рік тому
good analogy
@burgermind802
@burgermind802 Рік тому
@Scenario 7 Gaming that makes 0 sense
@guicane
@guicane Рік тому
now that tesla will be opening their chargers to all you should be ok!
@moatplay
@moatplay Рік тому
I’m a Bolt owner too. Yes, Teslas have a huge advantage on charging networks. Whenever I plan a road trip I’m made painfully aware a Tesla could have done the trip with ease. It’s getting better for non-Teslas but it’s a long way to catch up with Tesla.
@caddymac1207
@caddymac1207 Рік тому
I'm always baffled at the life cycle of these models, every single one of them looks outdated at this point. They need a serious facelift on every single model to keep them competitive. We call them California Camrys. There is just too much competition now to simply pass as the "coolest" option.
@pt9845
@pt9845 Рік тому
there is no competition, legacy auto will either partner with tesla or go bankrupt.
@caddymac1207
@caddymac1207 Рік тому
@@pt9845 mmmm idk about that? They seem to be doing just fine with their own electric models, they can't keep any in stock! I agree on the "no competition" when it comes to Tesla's interior technology, its truly industry leading. But the exterior styling desperately needs a facelift, especially in today's aggressively short life cycle of cars.
@kungfoochicken08
@kungfoochicken08 Рік тому
@@caddymac1207 I own a Model 3 and I agree. I’ve heard they’re redoing the Model 3 next year. They just redid the Model S and nothing substantial changed on the exterior, so I’m not very hopeful.
@heathwirt8919
@heathwirt8919 11 місяців тому
@@pt9845 That's ridicules, the legacy manufacturers are not going bankrupt. Stop repeating this dumb fanboy talking point.
@nathanv8535
@nathanv8535 Рік тому
Still don't understand why Tesla's stock price is so high when looking at the build quality of the vehicles.
@fomin23
@fomin23 8 місяців тому
It's too complicated for you, don't bother.
@nathanv8535
@nathanv8535 8 місяців тому
@@fomin23 lol found the Tesla fanboy 😂. Their stock price is over inflated Elon Musk has even stated this before in interviews🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@fomin23
@fomin23 8 місяців тому
@@nathanv8535 I am an investing fanboy. Looks like investing is also too complicated for you.
@rogerk6180
@rogerk6180 23 дні тому
​@@nathanv8535 its all hype.
@pipopipi
@pipopipi Рік тому
Rivian isn't a good example for "better quality". They have a lot of fit&finish problems, and even more unjustifiable for the price point
@broosewee
@broosewee Рік тому
10000%
@RonnieRLD
@RonnieRLD Рік тому
Chevy stopping orders for the Bolt for a bit and asking customers to park outside away from other vehicles because of battery fires. The Ioniq5 with a fairly common 12v battery drain issue. The legacy car brands aren't doing any better for build quality for their EVs or even ICE vehicles historically.
@impendio
@impendio Рік тому
Correct
@Daddo22
@Daddo22 Рік тому
There are way more serious issues than just fit & finish though. Just off the top of my head I can think of tonneau cover breaking with just regular usage and the trucks just refusing to even unlock in cold weather (no extremes, just freezing temperatures & parked outside) and these are not rare cases...
@echoeversky
@echoeversky Рік тому
The 12 Volt battery might be problematic atm.
@mark-angelofamularcano237
@mark-angelofamularcano237 Рік тому
Is it just me, or does anyone else want a more efficient station wagon? 😅 Electric or hybrid, I’m down for it!
@Viperin98
@Viperin98 Рік тому
I love station wagons. The only electric ones I’ve seen are the Porsche Taycan Cross turismo which I think looks amazing, and the Alpha Saga Estate, which doesn’t actually exist yet lol
@Barbarossa06
@Barbarossa06 Рік тому
@@Viperin98 the skoda Enyaq is a good one
@joetheprogrammer0
@joetheprogrammer0 Рік тому
If buying a Chinese car is acceptable for you, MG has a fully electric one. Model is MG5. Personally I'm reluctant to buy it due to big Chinese companies being effectively part of CCP so I'm holding out for one from other companies, but that car is highly rated and well priced too.
@Viperin98
@Viperin98 Рік тому
@@Barbarossa06 while I do agree the Škoda Enyaq looks really cool, it’s more of an SUV than a station wagon
@Rollermonkey1
@Rollermonkey1 Рік тому
uM. Aren't SUV's just station wagon's with better PR?
@Dracogame
@Dracogame 8 місяців тому
Let's not forget that Tesla has been heavily subsidized both directly and indirectly through EV Tax Breaks that came out in conjunction with the Model 3. That is the massive advantage that made them a BIG company.
@peternystrom921
@peternystrom921 7 місяців тому
Like every ICE company ever? If the fuel ppl use was not super super super heavy subsidized, how many car would they even sell? If Ford owners realy payd what the Fuel was worth, they wouldt sell that many cars, would they?
@Dracogame
@Dracogame 7 місяців тому
@@peternystrom921 There's still a massive difference. Everything Tesla sells is DIRECTLY subsidized. I'm very much against fuel subsidy as well, but Tesla is completely overvalued and overhyped regardless.
@peternystrom921
@peternystrom921 7 місяців тому
@@DracogameNo.
@ShroudedWolf51
@ShroudedWolf51 7 місяців тому
@@peternystrom921 The sheer level of delusion into this pathetic, juvenile child's companies is astounding if you look at the numbers that he claims his companies are worth and think, "Yeah, sounds legit."
@stephhugnis
@stephhugnis 6 місяців тому
@@peternystrom921 Fuel isn't subsidized. In fact the opposite. EV's are subsidized by not having to pay for the roads and bridges they use whereas gasoline has way higher taxes than anything but cigarettes and alcohol.
@bipolar7853
@bipolar7853 11 місяців тому
I think one thing that could have been noted in this video, is that Tesla is already profitable on the EV segment. All startup competitors (esp. Lucid and Rivian) are struggling with money, and legacy automakers are spending hundreds of millions to convert their factories to EV making ones. I think that it still a big advantage for Tesla.
@geiers6013
@geiers6013 4 місяці тому
Exactly.
@kenoliver8913
@kenoliver8913 3 місяці тому
BYD and Polestar/Volvo both claim to be making a profit on EVs - BYD a very healthy one. Musk keeps saying that the main competitive threat globally to Tesla is going to be the Chinese, not legacy US, Japanese or European makers. And it is becoming clear that outside the US he is right - this video and its commenters are focused on the 5% of the world that is the US rather than the other 95%.
@claudiojaramillo5177
@claudiojaramillo5177 Рік тому
I just want to ride a train instead of sitting in EV traffic
@jeffmorris5802
@jeffmorris5802 Рік тому
... then go ride the train lol. Nobody is stopping you.
@blammers
@blammers Рік тому
1000x this
@cullen36
@cullen36 Рік тому
@@jeffmorris5802 "the train" doesn't exist in most of North America because of car-dependent city design. That's the complaint being made here.
@cadekachelmeier7251
@cadekachelmeier7251 Рік тому
I'm pretty hopeful for self-driving public busses in the short to medium term for the US. It's an easier problem than full self driving since the routes can be planned and trained for accordingly. And you could have more, smaller busses to get lower headways, so it might be more economical for lower density areas that's already exist now.
@jord839
@jord839 Рік тому
@@cadekachelmeier7251 While that's good in many ways and would definitely be an improvement over a lot of issues right now with basically everyone needing their own individual car in most cities, it's hard not to point out that, at the end of the day, AI technology isn't there yet and it would be far simpler for the re-institution of inter-urban rail lines (HSR would be great, but isn't fully necessary as long as it can match the highway at 60-70 mph consistently) and local street cars/rail lines. These are predictable, reliable, and well-understood rather than waiting on some technology that may not be as quickly developed as people think. The problem is that the US in particular would need to invest in more publicly owned lines, whether building them or buying/seizing them from private companies. Law in the US already specifies that passenger rail has priority over freight, but because the private companies own the rails, they just ignore it and the US government has rarely challenged them on their practices that by definition end up ignoring that requirement. There's a reason Amtrak is only good and reliable in the portions of the country where it owns the rail lines. A self-driving bus would be great and more flexible, but what you're hoping for is still less reliable than a train or tram and more prone to error than a standard bus driven by a human, at least for right now.
@c.w.k.n.5117
@c.w.k.n.5117 Рік тому
Part of the issue is you can't buy from the lot. You're ordering a $50k vehicle online and when it finally shows up a year later, you're so happy to finally get it, you over look any minor cosmetic slips... If they were sold on lots, people would notice the mistakes before purchasing, and Tesla would be forced to address the manufacturing problems or have any janky cars sit unsold.
@calebweldon8102
@calebweldon8102 Рік тому
That’s a fair point but if they had higher build quality it wouldn’t be an issue, I bought by Chevy volt online and I knew to expect Chevy build quality
@amann616
@amann616 Рік тому
Why would you overlook cosmetic flaws. When I got my Model X I went through everything before I signed.. the ordering online process is just to cut out negotation. Vehicle delivery process is still the same.. atleast where I am (Ontario, Canada)
@fuzzle426
@fuzzle426 Рік тому
@@calebweldon8102 when Chevy build quality is being praised you know Tesla fucked up
@skippy945
@skippy945 Рік тому
50? More like 70K+. I was convinced the Y was right for me, until i test drived it in germany. 72k€, and the quality, even of the test drive vehicle, was atrocious :-O i can get a really nice mercedes for that price, arguably without self-driving, but that will last through winter at least.
@CrucialArmitage
@CrucialArmitage Рік тому
I would argue not being forced to buy from a third-party like a car dealership is a big advantage. At a car dealership you never pay the sticker price you always get ripped off buy salesman whose just out to get his commission. With Tesla you pay the price you see online.
@kylenicolas7127
@kylenicolas7127 Рік тому
Two factors that were left out but I think played a key role in Tesla's success and still, to this day, are a big reason for the company's image: 1- Performance. At the time when the Model S was released, it had some of the best acceleration and performance specs of any production car outside of supercar territory. And it did it at a fraction of the price. 2- Looks. When Tesla jumped into the market, most mass-market EVs were, to put it bluntly, butt ugly. They were so ugly that they gave off the impression that the person driving it must have done so ironically or the were so far up their own ass about the car being electric that rescue crews wouldn't even be able to pull them out. Tesla made an electric car that looked like a _normal_ car. It wasn't modern art vomit--it was classically stylish. There are arguments whether both still apply, but I don't doubt that both played a key part in Tesla's early growth and popularity.
@timogul
@timogul Рік тому
Sure, but the point is that they wasted that popularity, and plenty of modern EVs match or exceed them on both qualities.
@JoeOvercoat
@JoeOvercoat Рік тому
Their cars are ugly, and not just because they all look the same (fat & fatter versions). They could have kept Lotus on, but no. The 0 to 60 performance is really good, but at that price point you could always get an ICE that matches it and handles the curves better and stops shorter. I thought I’d be driving electric car by now but it’s just not panning out the way I expected and in part because a lot of the lies that came from this outfit were never fulfilled.
@poisonpotato1
@poisonpotato1 8 місяців тому
Lmao 1) he mentioned alternatives with comparative specs 2) the cyber truck is the ugliest thing ever
@eli_man3811
@eli_man3811 Рік тому
I think you forgot to talk about their supercharger network
@rogerk6180
@rogerk6180 23 дні тому
That is mostly just an usa thing. Anyone can charge any ev on any network in the rest of the world.
@thomashajicek2747
@thomashajicek2747 Рік тому
Tesla keeps up the appearance of a startup because if the public and investors shifted their view of Tesla as a traditional automaker, people would instantly see that the company is extremely overvalued in marketcap and the stock price would tank overnight. And then we'd probably see Musk drive one of his cars off a cliff.
@SenapatiAN
@SenapatiAN Рік тому
This! You hit the nail on the head on this one.
@andrewhting
@andrewhting Рік тому
But he would live still hahaha. You see that article about this Indian man who tried to drive his model y off a cliff with his family in order to try and kill them all? but because the battery is on the bottom of the car, the way it fell and crashed kept them all safe 😂
@mikecontreras5190
@mikecontreras5190 Рік тому
One could only hope. But its unlikely as someone like that never sees anything as their fault no matter how much they lose.
@DavidHRyall
@DavidHRyall Рік тому
It's not traditional though. You can't be paying attention if you believe that
@lewisbowes4921
@lewisbowes4921 Рік тому
Fantastic arguments and discussion on UKposts as always
@riodweber
@riodweber Рік тому
“People don’t care about panel gaps.” - MKBHD
@thevinceberry
@thevinceberry Рік тому
Everyone has a mouth can do review and get views now 🙄
@brianjc720
@brianjc720 Рік тому
@@thevinceberry Honestly though, to the average consumer a 10-15mm panel gap just isn’t even something they notice or care about. If they like the car, the aesthetic, and/or the convenience that Tesla offers they simply won’t care about panel gaps if they even notice. A lot of car enthusiasts seem to fail in understanding that they are not the average consumer and that the average consumer simply does not care about many of the things enthusiasts do.
@ogzombieblunt4626
@ogzombieblunt4626 Рік тому
He's right, did you ever check for a panel gap from a 1990 gm or ford?
@ThePredatherion
@ThePredatherion Рік тому
@@ogzombieblunt4626 That's the thing, these things are pretty standard among all cars and most people don't give a damn or were even aware of it, but very successful FUD campaigns in recent years have somehow made Teslas synonymous with panel gaps. Heck, the truth is that an average McLaren has more build quality issues than a Tesla, but you just don't hear anyone about it because there isn't a massively powerful oil lobby trying to spin a certain narrative and shorting their stock.
@gregmccawley2327
@gregmccawley2327 Рік тому
and on top of that that is an old problem long solved.
@ronjon7942
@ronjon7942 7 місяців тому
Is there an aftermarket niche that specializes in the proper reassembly of Teslas?
@tomriley5790
@tomriley5790 Рік тому
Yeah have wondered for a few years what Tesla was going to do when BMW, Mercedes, Ford and GM started making electric vehicles, Tesla could make electric vehicles they had about a decade to learn how to make good cars. Elon taking over Twitter was probably the worst thing that could have happened to Tesla.
@gmknevel1979
@gmknevel1979 Рік тому
As a two time Model S owner, I can attest to all being said. My first 2018 model had loads of issues, mainly with MCU not working properly and braking doorhandles. I now drive a 2020 Model S, which solved the MCU problems. However, braking doorhandles are still a thing (I'm on my 12th repair) and rattles are everywhere. I stopped using Tesla service, it's of no use. My contract stops in December, after that, I will go to a different brand.
@MajorPickleSwag
@MajorPickleSwag Рік тому
Third times the charm 😅
@TheMrleeyang
@TheMrleeyang Рік тому
This is perhaps where your car is made. Im not in the USA, and my Tesla is perfect. Made in China ... 's factory btw....haha
@VOLUMEnightclub
@VOLUMEnightclub Рік тому
If u stop using Tesla repairs where do u go to fix?
@AnonymousFreakYT
@AnonymousFreakYT Рік тому
Same. 2014 Model S. Currently for sale as I replaced it with a Rivian. When I got the Rivian last August, the market looked like I could get $40,000 for my Model S. I held on to it for a couple months because, hey, free Supercharging meant it was still great for road trips. Finally listed it for sale in early October. Last week I lowered the asking price to $25,000. I have gotten two inquiries - one asking if it has Autopilot, the other asking if I want to trade for a 2008 Mitsubishi Evo.
@ronjon7942
@ronjon7942 Рік тому
@@VOLUMEnightclub i think he means he'll ditch his Tesla and get an EV from a different manufacturer.
@MathGPT
@MathGPT Рік тому
I like how you included a scene of people NOT charging their cars with Electrify America, heh
@knoahbody69
@knoahbody69 Рік тому
Electrify America is dysfunctioinal.
@Bob_Smith19
@Bob_Smith19 Рік тому
150 kWh chargers w/ cables that can only handle 70 kWh. Straight up false advertising. But that’s assuming their app works and/or the charger completes the handshake w/ your car.
@Knnnkncht
@Knnnkncht Рік тому
@@Bob_Smith19 dont they Split when 2 Cars Charge at one stall?
@mrichardsonmobile
@mrichardsonmobile Рік тому
Wendover: How Electrify America Fumbled
@maknyc1539
@maknyc1539 Рік тому
@@Knnnkncht only one car can charge per stall unfortunately
@barackobama9343
@barackobama9343 4 місяці тому
NEXT, do an episode on how UKposts "fumbled" the 1st AMENDMANT! An in-depth investigation on why POSTING INTERVIEWS with folks using their OWN WORDS is considered "hate speech"... or am I the ONLY one who thinks that MATTERS???
@bobbybishop5662
@bobbybishop5662 3 місяці тому
You Tube has nothing to do with the 1st amendment.
@ViscountAlbany
@ViscountAlbany 4 місяці тому
Charging networks are what sets it apart. Here in the UK your choice is private charger or tesla charger. Attempting to piece together a journey even across the relatively small distances here using generic superstore car park and service station chargers is.... Well, you'd probably be better just getting the bus. This ensures tesla are still a fairly common sight here despite cheaper rival EVs, despite the fact they fall apart in wet British winters, and despite vertiginous electricity prices
@scarlettwilliamson5370
@scarlettwilliamson5370 Рік тому
"audacious" is certainly one way to describe the cybertruck's appearance.
@scarlettwilliamson5370
@scarlettwilliamson5370 Рік тому
and it doesnt even have an open bed or boxy cover u could fit things into what where they thinking
@RNCHFND
@RNCHFND Рік тому
I think it looked RAD when it was unveiled but it was soooo long ago that it looks like one of those old forgotten concepts by now. The Rivian truck did a much better job in it's design
@royphillips7644
@royphillips7644 Рік тому
@@scarlettwilliamson5370 It has a vault that you can drive with it open or closed.
@wickitklown90
@wickitklown90 Рік тому
Lack of innovation
@StanislavG.
@StanislavG. Рік тому
A public service announcement: There is no cybertruck, it's not real
@jackm8799
@jackm8799 Рік тому
Currently watching this while working at the Tesla Fremont Factory
@Powaup
@Powaup Рік тому
Haha don’t show this to your boss!
@willitbreak5825
@willitbreak5825 Рік тому
Huge respect to the work you and other employees are doing. Keep in mind Wendover said this video intentionally ignores the positives, and only highlights the negatives. See his pinned comment.
@ecstazyrm
@ecstazyrm Рік тому
Make sure you align those panels homeboy!!
@fort809
@fort809 Рік тому
@@willitbreak5825 I can barely hear you over Elon’s boot in your mouth
@spol
@spol Рік тому
@@Powaup lol I’m 99% sure he is subscribed.
@austinlaramee7811
@austinlaramee7811 Рік тому
It’s also about production numbers… though the “competitors” have good prices and comparable specs, lucid only made 7100 and Chevy bolt 38000 last year. Hummer EV 853 Ford lightning 13258 BYD is nice at 911140 pure ev vehicles, but consider their significantly lower average range, smaller sizes and limited market. They have hope. Tesla made 1.3 million. Calling other options competitors is a joke. Other companies offering “competitive” options often have production numbers in the low thousands for purely EV Bottom line is Tesla dominates battery manufacturing in house while other companies are forced to buy third party options, and they have this head start at 10 years… these companies aren’t scaling as quickly either, and regardless of their quality and ability to make cars, they will lag far behind tesla in battery manufacturing.
@slayergut
@slayergut 11 місяців тому
Wait till BYD starts selling worldwide then?
@allnighter2011
@allnighter2011 5 місяців тому
This video is basically full of anecdotes and very little research. The last part of the video explains why it was made in the first place. Our friend over here is on the left and butt hurt that Elon Musk isn't falling in line.
@rogerk6180
@rogerk6180 23 дні тому
1.3 million is still not enough to be competitive in a world where other car makers make dozens of millions of cars, cars that will all be ev's within a decade. They just don't have the scale to remain competitive. They need to merge with a much bigger car maker.
@Salty_reviews
@Salty_reviews 7 місяців тому
I'd rather deal with minor Tesla issues than an EV with perfect panel gaps and low range, slow charging and unreliable charging stations of the competition. Note the only issue I have with my Model 3 is inconsistent panel gaps, everything else has been perfect.
@monzerfaisal3673
@monzerfaisal3673 Рік тому
I will never forget when that UKpostsr lady made a pickup version of a tesla model 3. If she could do it, so could Tesla
@e1123581321345589144
@e1123581321345589144 Рік тому
That youtouber lady is Simone Giertz she's great has a lot of hilarious tech build. I highly recommend her channel
@ATM648
@ATM648 Рік тому
I also highly recommend Simon Giertz! Such an amazing person who makes equally amazing content
@evinh111
@evinh111 Рік тому
Truckla!
@tonyhuang431
@tonyhuang431 Рік тому
obviously tesla can do it
@drill_fiend1097
@drill_fiend1097 Рік тому
No, the doge lord who tweets 24/7/365 says they must make an origami stainless casket!!!
@matthieu2020
@matthieu2020 Рік тому
Personally I purchased my model 3 because it was objectively the best deal. Best efficiency, best price/features, best performance and best range. The only alternative that has significantly less range is the original hyundai Ionic. Keep in mind all the other brands have significantly smaller volume. Please tell me if i am wrong on one of these points. I would be happy to know if my opinion is shared.
@kenzbai123
@kenzbai123 Рік тому
I had a 2019 Hyundai ioniq before I got a model 3 and I loved the way the ioniq drove but the range has always been a problem. The biggest advantage to getting a tesla is the unparalleled reliability and ease of using the supercharger network. There would have to be something comparable for me to consider using a non tesla at this point even with all of its problems.
@robsengahay5614
@robsengahay5614 Рік тому
I purchased my Model 3 in 2019 because it was easily the best EV available at that time. If I had to buy now I probably would opt for a Model Y. I wish there were more compelling options than Tesla but as at February 2023 there are not…..which is why here in Australia more than 9 out of 10 EVs bought are still Teslas.
@rporpora2
@rporpora2 Рік тому
@@robsengahay5614 like what would to buy?
@john_smith_john
@john_smith_john Рік тому
bot thread
@42bill
@42bill Рік тому
I’m a car enthusiast who has bought only new BMW and Audi cars since 1999. My model 3 is more solid, more quiet, more fun, and far more responsive than any other car I’ve ever owned out of 20 cars. Whenever I meet other car enthusiasts with negative opinions about Tesla, I point out my car to them and challenge them to find a single flaw in panel gaps, paint, interior quality, anything. They are always impressed. Then I take them for a drive, and they either laugh or scream out, wide-eyed, in surprise when I launch up my curved uphill road in front of my home. Most say afterwards that they intend Ronnie buy a Tesla as their next car.
@devonloerop
@devonloerop Рік тому
Gonna be fun to see how this video ages. I'll check in, in 10 years
@dansands8140
@dansands8140 11 місяців тому
Why wait? Model Y now bestselling car model in the world, gas or electric.
@zagreus5773
@zagreus5773 11 місяців тому
@Dan Sands Because to see how a video ages you have to wait? That's just how time works, you know
@IMAPOTATOZ
@IMAPOTATOZ 11 місяців тому
There are MILLIONS of videos that have aged like milk on youtube. No one knows what the future holds, especially for EVs. Given how Elon is on his high horse, we will see.
@dansands8140
@dansands8140 11 місяців тому
@@IMAPOTATOZ Even if Tesla magically goes down in flames tomorrow, he still owns fully the company that will control all transport in the entire solar system for the next 30 years at least.
@tomasroma2333
@tomasroma2333 11 місяців тому
​@@dansands8140 Elon "owning space travel" is meaningless when it's just a money sink lmao. There's a reason it's only government projects that visit other planets and that's because it's not something that can be commercialised at this point.
@isakohman5105
@isakohman5105 Рік тому
I think that their current advantage still over the others in the EV market is their charging infrastructure, woth it being the most robust and allowimg for viable use as a car for long trips
@MandoMonge
@MandoMonge Рік тому
I’ll prep my popcorn for the Tesla comments
@bababababababa6124
@bababababababa6124 Рік тому
No need, nobody will be defending them
@randomshiba779
@randomshiba779 Рік тому
​@@bababababababa6124Respect Elon Musk.
@tombo416
@tombo416 Рік тому
@@randomshiba779 no
@randomshiba779
@randomshiba779 Рік тому
@@tombo416 Yeah fuck elon lmao
@bababababababa6124
@bababababababa6124 Рік тому
@@randomshiba779 nope
@242tdryan
@242tdryan Рік тому
As often as logistics is discussed by this channel im shocked the charging infrastructure is not mentioned in this video. Charging issues is quite possibly the biggest tesla advantage and biggest challenge for companies that are new to EV and havnt had a decade in charging infrastructure headstart.
@Nichols205
@Nichols205 Рік тому
That would make tesla look good! He wouldn’t dare want to do that.
@marcvanh
@marcvanh Рік тому
Odd he also didn’t mention the top safety ratings. Hmmm
@williamerazo3921
@williamerazo3921 Рік тому
Exactly
@phillipthach7924
@phillipthach7924 Рік тому
wait did he ever mention FSD? didn't finish the video
@johngaltline9933
@johngaltline9933 Рік тому
And yet, Tesla is the only major EV producer that does not use the world standard CCS charge port. Wouldn't be difficult, or expensive, for all those Tesla charging stations to offer a CCS as well as their own proprietary plug. The other companies don't need a decade of experience because they use the same chargers as each other and as the rest of the world.
@brandon4622
@brandon4622 8 місяців тому
I find it quite fitting that I got a Fisker ad on this video. 😂
@Kennedy_
@Kennedy_ 6 місяців тому
7:03 tesla model 3 the single motor is about ~5.3 seconds, dual motor has an acceleration of about ~4 seconds 0-60 mph. tested by MotorTrend and various independent car sites. It dos not compare to the bolt.
@SurmaSampo
@SurmaSampo 3 місяці тому
But basically nobody cares about those times..The average car buyer is much less concerned about acceleration than they are about reliability and build quality. There is a reason that the company that sells the most cars is also the maker of the most boring cars.
@Kennedy_
@Kennedy_ 3 місяці тому
@@SurmaSampo I dont disagree with you, my comment is mostly about accuracy. If we are explicitly comparing things based on numbers, I figured it would be best to show accurate numbers when making a case between two items
@SurmaSampo
@SurmaSampo 3 місяці тому
@@Kennedy_ Yeah I understand. The Model 3 is at the top of the class in terms of specs so comparison to a Bolt or Corolla does seem silly.
@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis
@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis Рік тому
What Tesla has that definitely outdoes others in North American automobile is the Supercharger network, which is reliable and easy to use. That’s significant, although exactly how they leverage that to make more money remains to be seen (although they are planning to offering charging to at least CCS-equipped vehicles, and probably Aptera vehicles as well.)
@SlackActionBumble
@SlackActionBumble Рік тому
Exactly. CSS network is fragmented and confusing. It's a bunch of separate providers that require weird apps, have confusing interfaces, and half of their machines are broken all the time. Meanwhile with Tesla it's easy and mindless. The superchargers are all in the navigation system, and when you get there just slap the door plug her in and go use the bathroom.
@discowombat3388
@discowombat3388 Рік тому
I agree, whatever you might think of the build quality, FSD or Musk himself. It is a huge advantage, it's much closer experience to traditional ICE cars to not have to hunt (as much) for a place to fill up. The EU requires all chargers to accommodate CCS. I think as nations start to adopt similar laws or start to build their own or have the other auto manufacturers start to team up to build supporting networks. This will eat away at Tesla's advantage.
@SlackActionBumble
@SlackActionBumble Рік тому
@Discowombat it wouldn't even be that hard to replicate the Tesla experience. You don't need a monopoly like the supercharger Network. All you need is a standardised system that: 1: communicates the location, price, and status of every charger to a central database so it's going to be displayed on the car's navigation screen. 2: automatically interfaces with the car once it's plugged in, and automatically charges the owner's credit card.
@Jabid21
@Jabid21 Рік тому
Had the CCS plug and the communications protocol was standardized beforehand, we wouldn’t have had such a broken charging experience like right now. Now the US government is throwing money at Tesla to make their chargers CCS compatible. EU is better at enforcing standards to the point that Teslas sold in Europe has to have CCS plug on the car itself instead of an adapter.
@klebdotio3284
@klebdotio3284 Рік тому
@@Jabid21 You kinda have to give Tesla the benefit of the doubt because they rolled out the supercharger network (with their own connector) before the CCS standard had been completely finalised. In most other places though, Tesla's cars came with either Type 2 (in the beginning) and CCS (later) so it isn't so bad, although I still don't think other cars can charge there. But their connectors are unsuitable in other places because they can't take three phase power as far as I'm aware, something more common in Australia.
@nowkent
@nowkent Рік тому
I feel like one thing you didn't mention is that they have developed a reliable charging network that makes the charging experience for their customer way way better than the competition. When it opens up the equation changes, but their chargers are far more reliable than the providers of charging of the legacy automakers.
@dannyross8
@dannyross8 Рік тому
As Someone Who Prefers Rivian I Was Waiting For Him To Mention That In My Head & Was Surprised When He Didn't Honestly Because That's The Only Significant Advantage Tesla Has Over Everyone Else Currently.
@joshuaknoll925
@joshuaknoll925 Рік тому
While they may have been the first to get that going, their insistence on not switching their charging cable to the current standard is going result in their network falling behind the combined efforts of every other car company.
@anthonyc8499
@anthonyc8499 Рік тому
Tesla leads in the charging network space. It's not even close. Tesla is poised to scoop up infrastructure dollars like no one else.
@octagonPerfectionist
@octagonPerfectionist Рік тому
are they actually more reliable though? do you have statistics to back this up? at any rate, the total number of superchargers is gonna be dwarfed by the competition over the coming years. and tesla doesn't even provide adapters for its cars - my brother has a model 3 and can't use any of the fast chargers anywhere near here because there are no superchargers and he has no adapter..
@broosewee
@broosewee Рік тому
It's a hit piece. Not worth taking seriously. Tesla is doing fine.... better than any other automaker in fact (maybe except Porsche?).
@B-...
@B-... 11 місяців тому
In Canada, Tesla is the only E-vehicle option. Everything else is months-years long wait list. I wanted the upgraded bolt. Not available in Canada. And the regular bolt is as expensive as the upgraded in the US (after conversion probably a bit more even). Not only that, the dealerships are all bloodsucking vampires since COVID. They'll sell your preorder out from under you or gauge you upon pickup.
@peternystrom921
@peternystrom921 7 місяців тому
Its more or less the same all over, thats why this video is so wierd.
@erikm9768
@erikm9768 Рік тому
I dont get the comparision with the Mustang, according to your chart Model Y had long range? but you said Mustang had longer? which is it?
@SurmaSampo
@SurmaSampo 3 місяці тому
You can have a long stick even if someone else has a longer one. English isn't that hard.
@billm47645
@billm47645 Рік тому
I took delivery of a 2023 Model Y two weeks ago. As others in the automotive space have pointed out, I would say the build quality is greatly improved. In fact, I traded in a 2021 BMW for it. I wouldn’t go so far as to say it is BMW build quality, but one of our other vehicles is an Acura RDX, which has a noticeable rear driver’s door alignment issue and I would rate it on par with Honda / Acura, who IMO, has declined over the years. Yes, as I’ve studied this vehicle 10x more than any other car, I would say I’ve found small things. But there are no issues, no squeaks, no rattles, virtually no body flex/creaks over driveway aprons (which tends to be an issue for European cars like my old BMW that seem to get creaky door seals), etc.
@tedmoss
@tedmoss Рік тому
All have declined, or Tesla has just made them look so.
@kamX-rz4uy
@kamX-rz4uy Рік тому
It'll be interesting to see how the newer ones hold up. Body creaks, rattles, etc are the biggest complaints for Teslas that have been driven for a few years.
@Firmanator09
@Firmanator09 Рік тому
Counterpoint on Solving the Money Problem channel. I'm not sure how they fumbled. They went from nothing to the world's biggest EV auto maker. You can only make as many cars as you have batteries for. If it were that easy to make EV cars, surely the legacy auto producers wouldn't have let Tesla even enter the auto market, never mind dominate it.
@HesderOleh
@HesderOleh Рік тому
What matters a lot is not the product, but the timing. You don't want to enter the market with a technology too early where it is very expensive to iron out the problems and the product itself is too expensive for the consumer considering its actual specs. But you don't want to enter too late or a competitor will have gotten an advantage. LTT just did a video on how tiny hard drive had a few years of making sense when flash memory was too immature a technology.. It is the reason there was a lot of hype around self driving tech but then many closed those divisions or spun them off, obviously it will happen one day, but it just became clear to most that actively funding in-house R&D into it now just didn't make financial sense.
@alp5725
@alp5725 Рік тому
They fumbled according to this nobody's idea of what they should have done. By such is life UKposts is full of nobodys that try to capitalize on others success.
@annika1565
@annika1565 Рік тому
I think you were paid by legacy automakers. And you didn’t mention the huge differences in sales between Tesla and other automakers
@kwick9635
@kwick9635 Рік тому
@@annika1565 I honestly believe you are right. Wendover has other videos that... seem... well researched, so it seems very unlikely that they would produce something so erroneous without a financial incentive. I hope the paycheck was worth it, because they have significantly damaged their good name. Nebula should drop them until they publish a correction video imo.
@StormyDog
@StormyDog Рік тому
Wendover has obviously done a paid for hit job. Also watch Tom's rebuttal on the "Tom Nash" channel.
@zamboni8168
@zamboni8168 10 місяців тому
Ive been a wendover fan for years and I’ve been waiting for them to say anything about my home town only to find out that it was in the one video I’d missed for a year
@Sabitar1
@Sabitar1 3 місяці тому
I used to be the biggest Tesla fanboy. My dream was to own one one day, I would go to showrooms just to stare at the cars. Now, I would never buy a Tesla. I fell off the Elon Musk bandwagon and all the negatives of owning a Tesla are just way too much to ignore.
@nightsage217
@nightsage217 Рік тому
to be honest, if any big companies think they can have a pie in china's domestic market. clearly they havent done enough homework about their "made in china" policy. It is the largest brand on earth, and they will take any manufacturing and infrastructure construction milestone, for themselves. Take care of your own domestic industry and market.
@AegisHyperon
@AegisHyperon Рік тому
The China factory makes cars for every market outside of Europe and USA, video is poorly researched
@wutBEE
@wutBEE Рік тому
I agree that other EV's can offer better value for the car itself, but I really struggle to consider any other EV purely due to the charging network. As a current EV driver of a not-Tesla but renter of many, my experience with public chargers that are not Superchargers has been very poor. Beyond that, competition is great, and hopefully other manufacturers can work together to improve public chargers so that alternative EV's become realistic options for single car households, driving Tesla towards improving the quality of their own cars.
@ConnorShea
@ConnorShea Рік тому
Thankfully, the Biden administration just got Tesla to open their Supercharger network up to other cars by EOY 2024. And they've established a standard for charging if electric vehicle charging companies want federal funds. So this shouldn't be a big problem for much longer.
@chrisness
@chrisness Рік тому
Yup. I wouldn’t recommend any EV other than a Tesla in America
@connorburns7288
@connorburns7288 Рік тому
Biden admin working on regulation to standardize charging specs which will greatly help the network problem.
@addanametocontinue
@addanametocontinue Рік тому
@@chrisness Not like Teslas are good value, anyway. I wouldn't recommend an EV in the current state of things, period. People who buy EVs today are still considered early adopters and the price you pay and the lack of charging infrastructure you have to deal with is proof of that.
@chrisness
@chrisness Рік тому
@@addanametocontinue A $36,000 Tesla Model 3 is a great value
@AegisHyperon
@AegisHyperon Рік тому
meanwhile every other company is losing billions of dollars and having full recalls
@sisyphus_strives5463
@sisyphus_strives5463 Рік тому
If it becomes the first to develop actual full self driving, maybe there is a chance that Tesla can have another tail-wind.
@AnAnonymousObject
@AnAnonymousObject 5 місяців тому
They are not even close. There are other companies that have level 4 and 5 automated systems, while tesla has remained a level 2 system for the last decade.
@reeddeer793
@reeddeer793 3 місяці тому
I think Mercedes has it
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