What Do Tour De France Riders Have On Their Bike Computers?
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День томуA bike computer, or head unit, is one of the most important bits of equipment for cyclists. It can show maps, power data, heart rate, elevation and loads more, helping inform and improve your riding. But what do top pros have showing on theirs? Si got hold of former world champion Mads Pedersen’s head unit and asked Adam Yates what’s on his Wahoo!
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00:00 Intro
00:39 What is a head unit?
01:54 Adam Yates
05:52 Mads Pedersen
07:53 Summary
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@gcn 9 місяців тому
What do you have on your bike computer? 🧐
@MTBScotland 9 місяців тому
distance, clock, elapsed time, speed, 3s power, average power, cadence, HR (large size). use the HR to keep within my limits (never happens lol) same display for MTB and Road. I don't maps very often and I just tend to ride rather than following a route. If I do a route I have the map uploaded so I can have the climb data. The climb feature is handy for doing munros on my bike.
@Bosco-nq2kk 9 місяців тому
Main page; cadence, heart rate, 3 second power. A page of averages and a page of random data like time, grade, elevation gain.
@ebikescrapper3925 9 місяців тому
A bike.
@ExplosiveNotes 9 місяців тому
I don't have bike computer. I won't show you my wahoo either.
@Sniperkaj 9 місяців тому
Speed, Power, HR, Lap Avg Power, Lap Time, Cadence, Gradient
@natejc93 9 місяців тому
The opener to this video is just classic Si and we love it
@bryguy6509 9 місяців тому
It would have really hit home if Si said some poetry before turning into the classic Si shenanigans - but I suppose we don't want to scare everyone off.
@simonrichardson5259 9 місяців тому
I reckon I could write a great poem about Yates’ Wahoo.
@gcn 9 місяців тому
Si is always classic 👌 He's like a fine wine!
@bryguy6509 9 місяців тому
@@gcn Si! Did you sneak onto the GCN account again?
@roblucchetti2993 9 місяців тому
I think bringing a trainer onto GCN to talk about how amateur riders could benefit most from the different types of data on their computers could be really helpful. It's great seeing AY and MP's screens, but does what they need to see translate to a novice's needs? It would be great to have that direction.
@gcn 9 місяців тому
Great idea Rob! Amateur needs are very different to the needs of the pros. What data do you like to show on your GPS?
@jeroencox6264 9 місяців тому
@@gcntime, 3s power, 30s power, lap power, cadence and HR
@cloudlynx6398 9 місяців тому
I was distracted by pedersen bike.. The paint is immaculate 😮
@dpthompson 9 місяців тому
I’m such a child. Genuinely laughed out loud when Simon said Mads has such an enormous cockpit 😂
@muhammadmahdi9196 9 місяців тому
Please make videos about how team bus transport and logistics between stages of tdf. I think that is monstrous amount of team work and support.
@gcn 9 місяців тому
We would love to do more behind the scenes content at the tours! Did you catch Alex's deep dive into race radios? 👉 ukposts.info/have/v-deo/e2Bkd5CIkIyo1mw.html
@brew-jameshenrybreward4889 9 місяців тому
+1
@anshdhopte5295 9 місяців тому
I was searching for this video like an hour ago and all I saw was 7 year old videos, and I was thinking why is there no recent one?! and here it is😂. GCN knows what everybody wants!
@gcn 9 місяців тому
Great minds think alike 😉 What did you make of the video?
@edjack1993 9 місяців тому
This is such a nerdy question…and I found it fascinating 😁 Surprising I’ve not heard a pro being asked this question before, given that cycle computers are something we all use!
@gcn 9 місяців тому
Glad we could help 🙌 What do you like to show on your GPS?
@kingofcrunk4237 9 місяців тому
I own a Wahoo Bolt, and had no idea I could configure the screens so much. Now I need a GCN video on configuring screens on the modern Wahoos.
@biketrybe7071 9 місяців тому
If the Yates boys could pedal as fast as they talk they'd never lose a race.
@filda2005 9 місяців тому
if you spend 8h sleeping, 8 hours riding, you end up with only 8 hours left for talking XD
@username8644 9 місяців тому
They don't even talk fast
@ianthurston1948 9 місяців тому
The great thing about the wahoo is that I can reduce the number of data fields so that the font is big enough for my 65 year old eyes to to see 5 data fields on one screen 😂
@stevenmeyer9674 9 місяців тому
Kind of surprised they put so much priority on the map field.
@andrewmcalister3462 9 місяців тому
So was I. I had figured with signage on the route, and the DS over the team radio, mapping was the one thing they WOULDN'T need while racing. Super interesting for Adam to talk about how he does use it.
@FIREblade2704 9 місяців тому
@@andrewmcalister3462 Given the speeds they descend at they need to know the how tight the upcoming corners are -don't want any nasty surprises! The DS won't know where everyone is on the route at any one time and the camera feed can be delayed
@huntos83 9 місяців тому
I’m not at all surprised, personally I use it the same way. It’s super useful on descents and roads you don’t know well to judge how steep and long an upcoming corner is or if it’s immediately followed by a bend the other way or a junction etc which could catch you out. Really helps you to choose your line and speed through the corners more confidently. Of course if you only ever ride on roads you know well it isn’t necessary
@stevenmeyer9674 9 місяців тому
@@andrewmcalister3462 Not to mention, most of these riders already knew these roads well.
@ggirault 8 місяців тому
Really great to have pro feedback, many thanks!
@tompenfold5962 9 місяців тому
I was not aware you could add various pages! Thanks for the info
@glennoc8585 9 місяців тому
I've had a few head units over the years and one thing that is very very important to me now is serviceability, warranty and parts availability. People spend big money on a phone and expect prompt warranty service if need be and parts availability post warranty. I've had a unit go(USB port went)and I couldn't get parts post warranty. Also because that some head units have to returned to another foreign location for warranty at the owners cost. One thing I'll say for Garmin is there's lots of aftermarket and genuine parts from cases, screens and batteries for reasonable costs.
@drsus0 9 місяців тому
i love that guys take the time to explain the equipment for those just learning about this stuff... you don't assume your audience is a bunch of "boys in the club"... good on ya
@xavierhulbert5849 9 місяців тому
Got a Wahoo as a gift a little over a year ago and it’s impressive how much data you can get from a computer. And they’re tough, too. I’ve taken a number of nasty spills and the computer isn’t even phased, besides for a few scratches.
@earl1394 9 місяців тому
After a group ride left my OG Elemnt on my roof after we got back and drove down the street with it there. It flew off onto a major road near where I left. Got ran over plenty before I could spin around and get it and the screen was ruined....still was working and sent all my ride data to my phone. Things a tank.
@gcn 9 місяців тому
That is a great gift! A true cycling game changer 🙌What's your favourite feature from your Wahoo?
@bukayonosakadebanda7163 9 місяців тому
I would’ve never guessed that Adam Yates was this charismatic
@ajlib 9 місяців тому
Never before have the three letters 'pit' been so important ( 7:40 )
@ianluigilastra1850 9 місяців тому
thank you adam for showing your wahoo...
@MarkJones-yo5mx 9 місяців тому
Great video! I use a Wahoo Bolt but I’d love to see what the riders who use a Garmin display, as from what I’ve seen while watching the race they also have interesting data combinations
@XavierHipolito 9 місяців тому
Adam such a nice and good humoured guy!
@koudy8069 9 місяців тому
such a good guy adam
@kymbo72 9 місяців тому
7:43 I'm glad you added "pit" there. I almost spat out my drink for a split second
@chrisbinch800 9 місяців тому
One of your best advertisements yet!
@patrickgreen8179 9 місяців тому
What surprised me the most...who's trainingpeaks screen shot is that with >1000W for 2 minutes 😮😮😮
@madmick9205 9 місяців тому
really interesting and insightful..
@Lockeness86 9 місяців тому
Lap info is by far the most important for training
@Lockeness86 9 місяців тому
@@RobertTarmac even if I’m doing Z2 it’s super nice. I’ll reset the lap every 10 minutes just to make sure my average power remains in Z2 throughout the ride. It’s a great tool to force you to maintain pace
@krishnansrinivasan830 8 місяців тому
Nice & Thanks 🙂
@silviugheorghe7118 9 місяців тому
Would be nice to see the same from some Garmin devices:)
@beau2047 9 місяців тому
Not sponsored but yes indeed
@silviugheorghe7118 9 місяців тому
@@beau2047 it is sad to see that the biggest cycling UKposts Chanel is only doing payed reviews and promotions.
@xavierhulbert5849 9 місяців тому
@@silviugheorghe7118 they’re the biggest UKposts cycling channel BECAUSE they only do paid promotions. They have to get money from somewhere. Besides, GMBN was sponsored by Garmin for a number of years. They made quite the strong statement for the quality of their devices too.
@andrewmcalister3462 9 місяців тому
Not sure the choice of fields would be any different for a Garmin.
@bradrogers2427 9 місяців тому
@@andrewmcalister3462 - agreed, I'm a Garmin user, and I see this gets flagged as an "AD" for Wahoo, but honestly I'm not sure there would be any difference in the data fields between the two brands.
@rafaelhernandez8036 9 місяців тому
7:43 and I thought the "can I see your Wahoo" joke was the dirtiest thing I'd hear in this video
@MrUrmanwitdaplan 9 місяців тому
Super Video! Good to see the pros using those computers too! What exact model is this Bolt? Any help!!!
@interstatebatteriescupseries46 9 місяців тому
It's the Bolt v2
@julian_b 9 місяців тому
I was waiting for the skip ad button to come up but then realised that the video was actually one long advert.
@kestralrider313 9 місяців тому
Personally, I prefer the data widgets to plain data screens; I don't own a Wahoo so don't know if they offer these. On a Garmin Edge, my two favorites are " SPH Graph - SPHGraWH" & the "MY EDGE2".
@slingy81 9 місяців тому
Interesting the priority put on the map by Yates and the simplicity of what he is looking at while racing. Distance to go and 5-sec power all thats needed...
@garrettchurchey 9 місяців тому
Having the map in front of you makes descending so much less stressful, especially on stuff you haven’t ridden much. Highly recommend
@mich94762 9 місяців тому
Rumor has it Jasper has been asking for them to add the ability to track who is actually in first place for years.
@andrewhayes1339 9 місяців тому
Was really surprised to see that most of the info I look at was very similar to Alan Yates, especially cadence when we live in a cycling world obsessed with watts. But mine obviously is purely out of interest as apposed to performance 😂
@mlotens1976 9 місяців тому
If you follow GCN you already know they're Wahoo fans. I have a Bolt V2 on my Gravelbike and got a Instinct 2 watch a while ago and use them together. Completely overwhelmed by the generated data from both devices, but then again... I had a simple Cateye for over a decade so some "catching up was needed. Always though everybody at the Tour was just following the man ahead instead of using maps on their head units.
@huntos83 9 місяців тому
But what if there is no man ahead?
@williamm3542 9 місяців тому
My wahoo is specifically set up to show climbing data. I love the graphic and although it can get pretty depressing, I like having the info on whats coming up behind that next climbing corner. Speed, watts, HR, are pretty meaningless to a 70 year old.
@rg807 9 місяців тому
@wahoo why can't I get rid of the lap feature? This is super annoying. I never use it, and don't know anyone who does.
@brew-jameshenrybreward4889 9 місяців тому
Dose the DS / support team use any of this data telemetry live during the race.
@thepandaman 9 місяців тому
00:20 This is the first year where I've noticed how curved in some riders like their hoods.
@jonathanzappala 9 місяців тому
It only started in 2021, a new thing.
@nileshvagal 9 місяців тому
does a wahoo element bolt 2 show wind speed and direction while riding ???
@steveknipping4463 9 місяців тому
i have the element Bolt and my home screen has speed, cadence, heart rate, distance and time.
@justinstephenson9360 9 місяців тому
I wonder how long it will take before most of the info from the head unit is shown on a HUD built into the riders sun specs probably with voice activated commands to change the display
@bastianandersen5182 9 місяців тому
Too dangerous
@whitehorsebricks2670 9 місяців тому
@@bastianandersen5182 More than looking down at a screen when in a bunch?
@jamesmckenzie3532 9 місяців тому
The tech already exists, but it's not a good idea to have something like this right in your face all the time.
@andrewmcalister3462 9 місяців тому
There have been a number of attempts eg. Varia Vision, but none of them have taken hold with consumers.
@MaksymilianSleziak 9 місяців тому
Make more videos just like this!
@alexclark9514 9 місяців тому
Does the pros use GPS for speed or a speed sensor and which is the best and which is more accurate??
@bergerniklas6647 9 місяців тому
Gps is good enough. Speed is not really important compared to power, HR, map, angle of road etc
@eliknowsbest4946 9 місяців тому
Such a happy chap lol
@BeyReaper 9 місяців тому
I would find it so hard to resist not hitting the history page.
@daverival1985 9 місяців тому
Never occured to me to add estimated calories burned as field. Will have to look into that.
@AndyLeeJordan 9 місяців тому
Same, that was my main takeaway. Sure it syncs into Garmin Connect and my food tracking app after the ride, but I'd pay better attention to it if it was right up front.
@jamesmckenzie3532 9 місяців тому
@AndyLeeJordan My Garmin 830 has a feed alert that pops up after each estimated 100 calories of burn.
@matthewbaynham6286 9 місяців тому
I'm surprised the sprinter didn't have any climbing data, the sprinters still have to get over the climbs just like everyone else, and they need to save as much energy as possible over those climbs.
@DaveCM 9 місяців тому
I absolutely suck at climbing, so I like to have it so I can gauge when the suffering will be over or if I get a little break in the gradient to catch my breath. It helps to pace for the climb. Maybe he is like my brother. My brother doesn't want to know. He says he is better off not knowing.
@gerardvanommenkloeke9464 9 місяців тому
Kilojoules to pints is on my page 1.
@inbetween7470 9 місяців тому
Crazy how different the same element roam looks like…
@dan_stokes 9 місяців тому
Interesting! Buttons are different, great spot!
@inbetween7470 9 місяців тому
@@dan_stokes they change it all the time through the years. I got mine replaced and had a completely different version..
@christophebrel4385 9 місяців тому
How do riders connect to the power meter when they change bike on the race?
@rickvandenbergjeths1578 9 місяців тому
You can connect multiple ant+ units (powermeters) to one wahoo, so my guess they connect their bike and spare bike to one unit and take the unit with them when they change bike. Another unit on the spare bike might do the same trick, but i have seen riders taking their wahoo with them when they change
@Ridg 9 місяців тому
basically the same as how you pair to a different set of headphones or Bluetooth device. I have power meters on different bikes, my garmin will ask me if I want to switch sources if the active power meter is different from the last one and you simply say yes or no
@interstatebatteriescupseries46 9 місяців тому
At worse, if it's a teammates bike, they can have the headunit look for new sensors while riding
@AlbaTech 9 місяців тому
Less than half of the TdF peloton use Wahoo units according to DC Rainmaker. I’m the last person to defend Garmin, but 11 teams are using their devices and only 9 are using Wahoo. Accuracy is pedantry blah de blah.
@andreasolsson2336 9 місяців тому
it is important to distinguish between "are using by own free will" vs "are sponsored by and have to use"
@AlbaTech 9 місяців тому
@@andreasolsson2336 Only two teams have ‘free will’ when it comes to head units and they both chose Garmin.
@dt30kr 9 місяців тому
최고 👍 thumbs up
@Livlifetaistdeth 9 місяців тому
When you think Si needs a sandwich and he stands next to a pro rider and looks like he stole his lunch
@Frostbiker 9 місяців тому
It's crazy how skinny they are while producing massive amounts of power for extended periods of time. I wouldn't mind being a third as good.
@swoondaze5120 9 місяців тому
Best advice … buy a Garmin or Hammerhead intead
@meetmeat24hrfitness70 9 місяців тому
directions to ferarri's hotel
@mikeperry6664 9 місяців тому
why haven't they added a radio to the head unit. If they have one attached to their body already why not combine them in the head unit with a wireless Bluetooth microphone to the helmut with push button on/off button on the handlebars. We can do this and be safer while doing it.
@johnlowkey359 9 місяців тому
Wahoo sales are down, good time for a commercial!
@scottamolinari 9 місяців тому
I have to ask, what is a "DS"?
@MilosMatus 9 місяців тому
It was just only Wahoo, which has very limited possibilities how to customize the data screens. I use Garmin and its Connect IQ, where I use many customized data fields. I like datafields, where I can see e.g. actual speed, avg. speed and max. speed on one field. Super cool.
@mangolds1 9 місяців тому
The most annoying thing about a wahoo is that you can’t have 2 fields displayed on the top line.
@brew-jameshenrybreward4889 9 місяців тому
Or the ability to have the map twice. Would be great on the bolt to have map full screen one line of data then on the second instance of the map more data fields
@user-hb6ms3mb4t 9 місяців тому
Default screens on SRM PC8 is all anyone ever needs.
@jamespowers8632 9 місяців тому
1 drink for every time they say super 🤣
@10ktube 9 місяців тому
Can you guys ask the Yates brothers, or measure yourself, if their bikes are set up the same, or if they are wildly different? Curious if they have the same setup and how close it is if not. I have no idea why either. Data for me on my Garmin, 10 fields, time of day, time I've been out for, current power, avg power, current HR, avg HR, speed, avg speed, total distance, and feet climbed.
@jonathanzappala 9 місяців тому
They are actually not identical twins, and one is taller than the other.
@pdf01141 9 місяців тому
Wahoo ad
@junkailu5450 9 місяців тому
I use garmin and I put 'stroke effort' (avaliable in IQ store) on the home page, for the purpose of protecting knees xD
@oranjetoeters1 9 місяців тому
Mate 4.8w/kg is crazy good. So I donno what planet these pros are in
@BurtonHohman 9 місяців тому
I’d be curious if a domestique would ever have stats from other members on their team on their head unit? Or would that be too much to try and process
@JeffreyLieberman-cs5bm 9 місяців тому
What no Garmin?
@spingleroeth 9 місяців тому
Very interesting. I was amused you spent 30 seconds explaining what a head unit does but then asked a question about how a "DS" compares , no idea what that is!
@TarsoBsAs 9 місяців тому
Directeur Sportif = Team manager
@andrewmcalister3462 9 місяців тому
He was referencing the fact that the Directeur Sportif (team manager) will be giving directions over the team radio eg. Sharp turns, road hazards, et .
@mlotens1976 9 місяців тому
Oké, so it's basically the same as a board radio on a F1 event... Except for the riding team members 😅
@RobertHopkinsArt 9 місяців тому
Explain to me: Why hasn't Wahoo and Garmin added a feature on the maps that allow the coaching staff to modify the route colors (before the race) to help the pros know how much energy the coaches want them to ride at? Or, any other tool/metrics that the coaches can advise them with. They always have race pre-briefings... Remind them when they are out there!
@germanlondono8700 9 місяців тому
That would be just like the already existent "workout" feature that these computers have. But due to the unpredictability and the stocastic nature of a race, that would be cumbersome and not actually useful, I think
@WayneKeen 9 місяців тому
As I was watching, I wondered something similar, could the software let the riders and coaches take notes that could be downloaded onto the unit and perhaps have the unit talk to them to remind them about turns, hills or places where the rider doesn't want to get stuck on one side of the road or another, personal, functional notes. If I am thinking of it, then I suspect they thought about it 15 or 20 years ago...
@TheFloridaBikeVlogger 9 місяців тому
yup. I have nothing but useless shit on mine and i don't even really know how most of it works lol
@rickfid99 9 місяців тому
1:34 30min at more than 700W avg, I want what that guy's taking
@1114alcon 9 місяців тому
Adam Yates speaking fast
@josiahdood 9 місяців тому
63 BPM during the interview. Must have been nervous, since his resting HR is probable like 30 BPM.
@BMMB450 9 місяців тому
GARMIN hard-core pass by 😅
@moeTLD 9 місяців тому
Surprised they all showed you their wahoo
@starwarssucks7867 9 місяців тому
Solitaire, if they’re in a posh team. Otherwise, Snake.
@andyl9428 9 місяців тому
Pedersen is a data fiend? Maybe Bridgewood should have been a sprinter. Would help explain him getting dropped 😅
@awan_24 9 місяців тому
Luar biasa
@urithinks7592 9 місяців тому
When did they start using computers? Were they illegal at any point? What did the first ones show?
@jonathanzappala 9 місяців тому
Now I want to know too, great question. GPS watches were illegal and considered pacing aids in road running events at the beginning.
@Faustoverdenova 9 місяців тому
How much did Wahoo pay , ..just asking
@ricferr2 9 місяців тому
Was Mads angry at you and not willing to be interviewed? It's not like he's had a lot more requests from other news outlets...
@GotDamBoi 9 місяців тому
I wonder if any of these guys have strava live segments enabled lol maybe snag a KOM during the tour
@corinnak.4875 9 місяців тому
they do! I follow Pogi and Pinot and they got some KOMs this week
@ZOB4 9 місяців тому
TSS seems an odd choice
@jamesmckenzie3532 9 місяців тому
It is for racing. Not for training and recon.
@vancelray 9 місяців тому
Oh look. A Wahoo commercial!
@bradrogers2427 9 місяців тому
I'm a Garmin user, but the information provided is equally as useful for Garmin, Hammerhead, Wahoo.....I'm not sure it matters.
@hennrysmustache 9 місяців тому
Understanding the data is so important for professional cycling. However, for the average person, the important thing is to "ride your bike, ride your bike, ride your bike".
@arnoldhau1 9 місяців тому
To me the mall is super important and power so I do not blow up. And the distance to go.
@Shopsmith10er 9 місяців тому
Number one is HRM and understanding it.
@arnoldhau1 9 місяців тому
@@Shopsmith10er HRM is also good but it allways has the danger of beeing late compared to the power...
@Shopsmith10er 9 місяців тому
@@RobertTarmac No way. Tell your line to the pros. You better know your heart first and foremost. Thresholds, time in the zone, etc..
@glharlor 9 місяців тому
I was a huge fan of wahoo, until I realized how rubbish the altimeter was. Garmin units are leagues better and far more accurate.
@glharlor 9 місяців тому
@@RobertTarmac maybe it isn't accurate, but when I go up a hill at least it tracks it. I don't ride in the hilliest places, but the wahoo wouldn't budge on many many hills. I can say without a doubt wahoo doesnt do any better, and feels much worse to me. My Garmin is very consistent on my daily rides, as was my wahoo, just wildly different numbers
@rule3036 9 місяців тому
All the great riders didnt need a computer to tell them how to ride. They just pedaled.🤷♂️
@simonrichardson5259 9 місяців тому
That’s because no one had computers. As soon as they were invented the top riders started using them because they could see the clear benefits. Merckx would 100% have used a headunit.
@BadTanLines 9 місяців тому
Oofff... Seeing these wahoo screens make me appreciate my Garmin 😢
@JMR_GER 9 місяців тому
The reason for those screens are the better readability in every condition, even when the sun is shining on it. I know it looks like calculator, but its great for racing. (Wahoo Roam V1 and Garmin Edge 530 Owner)
@BadTanLines 9 місяців тому
I can read my screen fine on my edge 1040. I more mean the HUGE bezels and the lack of touch in the Bolt and the fact that he can’t just touch it to see the temperature, you gotta put it on as a data field. The V2 version of the bolt and the roams were a real disappointment. - Former Wahoo User
@Emonk2010 9 місяців тому
I'm glad it doesn't have touch. Rain and winter gloves makes touch less than ideal. Buttons ftw!
@BadTanLines 9 місяців тому
@@Emonk2010 rode in rain last week, just press the power button and it locks the screen. And winter gloves, I dunno mine work fine? But I generally use the Di2 buttons to flip screens anyway.
@BadTanLines 9 місяців тому
@@RobertTarmac you were given a choice and you bought a touch screen lol. The 540 is for you
@reyaantraut959 9 місяців тому
An enormous what?😅
@conan_der_barbar 9 місяців тому
this was definitely not staged lmao
@cyclingthematrix 9 місяців тому
Why are you watching this if you don't even know what a gps is? 🤔 😅
@obidavekenobe 9 місяців тому
Someone has to speak to the elephant in the room, what’s on you Garmin or Hammerhead or whatever phone app you use❤
@matthiasmai6292 9 місяців тому
This should really be marked as sponsored content right at the beginning of the video. I don't mind the content - you need to make money somehow - but i find it questionable to not at least mark this as an ad.
@simonrichardson5259 9 місяців тому
Hi Matthias, it’s clearly marked on the thumbnail with “AD”.
@rudysepelie1900 9 місяців тому
it is not about how good or bad a device is, it is about what they are looking at...seeing his map page I don't consider it an advertissement, it's shockingly poor. And he thanked Wahoo for making the riders cooperate to show their device...
@simonsepic 9 місяців тому
I saw a woman today that i could have sworn was manon.... was bit shocked wanted ti ask but didnt haha
@Lutekbutek 9 місяців тому
People in love with Manon see Manon everywhere! 😁
@paulsolon6229 9 місяців тому
Seems too complicated
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