Software development is not just the physical action of writing code. It is also the ability to think logically about how a set of components need to fit together and interact with each other to create a working system. This kind of thinking is still required to use the no-code platforms. They are just an abstraction.

I like both of your channels, but this one just brings MASSIVE value compared to the other one. Keep it up man! 👍

Hi! I just found your video and as a non-technical founder, it is extremely helpful and I just want to say thank you :)

It helps to know how a system works with a grounding in what the pieces are and how they work together. You can take it to either extreme (no code or pointlessly much code) and some people will. It is nice to solve problems and know the tools very well. No code is even better with know code.

I love this new concept of finding potential where there is disruption

Got a few years of experience with low-code and no-code platforms now, and to be honest it's pretty great. They're getting close to a decent combination of out of the box code generation with enough ways to customize everything as needed. I spend most of my time doing interfacing stuff with other systems rather than re-inventing the wheel.

This eposide is one of your best so far thank you so much for this valuable information!

I think a lot of us are in denial or blinded by this purist perspective of coding and development. What you also have to consider is that these no-code tools are only going to get better and better over time as well which is the nature of technology. At some point it’ll be hard to imagine a use case where no code solutions are not a viable option.

love your videos, really great value!

I have a CS degree and just got hired as a Configuration Engineer by a Big Four firm that is using Unqork as their development platform. Abstracting away the complex coding of development is part of the evolution of this field and has been going on for decades.

All this means is that developers will be able to make more powerful applications quickly, not that development work will stop all together. Most of the time the tricky bit with cloud services is configuring and getting them to talk to each other. For instance Elastic Search means as developers we are no longer re-inventing search indexing algorithms, but there is still a lot of work in load balancing, setting it up with the correct data, securing it, etc.

What is "no code" / "low code" development? *(as a millionaire)*

Yeah about the DBA thing.. many large MNCs still refuse to move into cloud and for valid reasons - for example the major payment networks you use. There's still a pretty comfortable living to be made by maintaining legacy, on-premise systems from the 90s.

I got contacted by a recruiter today and stumbled upon this video while researching for "low code development" which is what that company does. Thank you for your video. Much is well said and I agree, I sense disruption too. But I'm unsure IF this would be the right career choice for me, given I just got my degree and would like to actually get better in programming for now....

Awesome video! I like the part where he said software developers have got so good at building automated platforms they are almost out of a job, yikes! Also the part where people frown upon Wordpress, so true! If there is a quick efficient way of doing a task, why take the longer harder route, makes no sense!

Working in AWS using Spring boot and Angular, it appears for application level developers the job is switching to less programming and more configuration and glueing layers together. Businesses care about speed of delivery, reliability and security. They don’t really care about languages and frameworks. The complexity is getting pushed down system developers who implement file systems and databases etc.

In every skill there are different kinds of people 1. Those who are more interested in the science of the skills than the applications (the architect) 2. Those who are passionate about getting creative with the skills 3. Those who care more about providing solutions to real problems with the skills 4. Those who just want work with or get employed based on the skill

I am a developer and I started building web sites for non-technical clients. I realised without clients becoming developers they would never be able to keep up with the speed at which the tech and dev sectors are evolving but they also couldn’t produce decent apps without keeping up. So we created Fliplet, initially a no-code mobile app builder for business people. Clients then asked us to add dev tools as they became more technically competent, then they asked for web apps. Now they are asking for database integrations, API integrations and scheduled jobs. It’s very exciting to be able to help non-developers have the power and capabilities developers have while removing technical complexities like db, server and architecture complexities. Great video post and awesome observations about the no code industry.

Extremely interesting point of view.

I have developed and created very deep algorithms including the math, developed power-backend-systems for shopfloors, high-complex applications and plattforms and moved to projectmanagement and business executive. And I have to say: your insights from two years ago are absolutely right and speaks for your understanding of market vs. tech-experts. there will be some disruption because of low code.

Thank you ~ from a small business owner trying to find answers and data solutions.

This was pretty informative, thank you.

Thanks for sharing!

The newcomers in my team all have a CS degree and survived to our HR coding tests. And they don't want to code, they all want to be Scrum Masters...

I'm a coder and I love love Zapier

his sarcasm humour is on point, google sheets and trello, disruption, engineers were so good that automate themselves out of a job

The reality is less programmers are needed for the typical request. if you want an eCommerce to sell your stuff then no programmer is needed now (this alone take ALOT of programmers out) but any custom work will need a programmer and always will.

Excellent!…I really like how you articulate this “weird” thing that’s going on with coding. I agree 💯%! It is weird, but I also think it’s necessary. Coding developers will never be obsolete, because they need to create the low to no-code platforms, perhaps even the automation of these applications. Coding is the beginning of all things digitally created. We will always need programmers. Designers will complete the task at hand much faster than before.

Good video techlead!

Great video again!

Someone has to write the cloud services and there is a 100% chance there are DBAdmins on that side of things. Someone has to write the web services and microservices. Someone has to write the integration tools or perform the integration manually with code. After 35 years of software dev, I have learned one thing: If a system is inherently complex, you will never be able to remove that complexity. The best you can do is move it to another level or to another area. This is what these tools do. In the 1950s, people said software engineering was dead as a career because COBOL made it possible for secretaries to write code. In the 70s, it was expert systems. In the 80s, OOP. In the 90s, Java. In the 2000s, Visual Basic and .NET and web services. I remember in the 80s, the experts predicted AI would obviate the need for programmers entirely within 10 years. But none of these predictions came true. There is still a place for pedal-to-the-metal devs. People on the business and entrepreneur side of things are prone to discount what the tech guys do -- it's human nature. But that doesn't mean their beliefs are true.

I did something like this back in the late 1980's. I would use VBA (Visual Basic for Applications) to transform data between Microsoft Office Apps. I used Visual Basic but it felt more like writing Macros. Tasks that did one thing. Simple. The value add was customizing the spreadsheet, or database fields or word documents to match what the department wanted. What I was doing didn't have a name. It was a mash between several jobs. Perhaps System Integrator was the appropriate name.

Nicely put!

Thank you for the explanation in your own words. 🙏🏾 It makes someone like me (a non coder) understand on a deeper level what I’m doing! I also was thinking what to call myself, someone who is making an app using these no code platforms but definitely not a code developer. I value the opinion of a seasoned app creator, do you consult?

Thanks for explaining it ☺️

Good video, man. You have a point. And I agree that market for devs now oversaturates. I think in the future it will more likely look nothing like now. But I think it should not scare devs. Because there will always be demand for devs anyway, it's just now that market is overflooded with lowskilled bums who actually have almost no interest in coding on its own. They will go, but industry has to evolve, so good technicians will be in demand anyway.

I'm only focusing on self-reliant no-code (from what is available), meaning I'd do no-code stuff with tools / services where if the company burns, what I'd have can still be functional / still working.

Having worked with both front end business users and backend developers, I see huge gaps in between. I think the problem of lacking universal software product standards eventually leads to long term maintenance and upgrades in order to support or catch up with business agility.

Damn, that was like a wake up call for me. Steppin' on toes over here.

You're really intelligent. I like you.

very interesting, as an ex software dev and someone who is now exploring SMMA entrepreneurship.

This reminds me of when I first saw Visual Studio. I was thinking how awesome it was that I didn't have to code all of those buttons and text boxes and stuff.

The kind of person who can assemble apps together with no code is called a Business Analyst. They understand the requirements, they can express the requirements clearly, and prototype directly to end users and SMEs. They can bypass the developers. Devs will only be needed where there is something very customised at the edges. The BA will even specify to the Dev what is required even for that.

I get what you are saying, and as a coding newbie that was interested in learning more about low-code, I just had to laugh a little. Cuz this random number generator you mentioned is something I honestly was interested in.🤣 (I have a hobby in music production and have been playing with the idea of randomising certain e.g. Synthesizer parameters to try and introduce authenticity... If that makes sense? )

"Art requires validation", thats beautiful

As long as there is no very good open source low code framework offered by the major cloud companys without a lot of configuration, it just won't work. Nobody really wants to depend on a vendor and end up paying license fees for it. (except for big companies who like to pay for enterprise solutions like IE optimized apps) But once this issue is solved I expect this to be solved soon, than coding is dead.

As someone in a CS degree program right now, the quantity of prebuilt software available for use on your own projects is fascinating. I'd wager that software engineering over the next decade will favor those who know how to evaluate the pros and cons of using a given tool for the job at hand and understand how to tie all those tools together. And yet, this is not being taught. In my program, we spent a whole course on low-level assembly code (in an obsolete assembly language, no less) and circuitry, both things I never see myself encountering in an actual job or in one of my own projects, but we don't spend time on learning how to make use of the sort of tools highlighted in this video. It's certainly an area I hope to look into on my own time, though.

I used to code websites and apps. But I have to admit (I am a convert) as the ease of these platforms has allowed me and clients to try different ideas really quickly. No code and low code has become mainstream for years now (I would consider WordPress a low code if not no code solution)

> "If you write this great random number generator, nobody's gonna know you for that" *Laughs in Perlin noise, Worley noise, etc.*

Feeling very late to the party 😅 but for people with years of experience of no/low-code - what are the best places to learn for a beginner?

Thanks Tech Lead! Interesting video. I'm planning to go into a bootcamp as a part of a career change, and I'm wondering how these technologies will affect demand for devs and my opportunities for earning in the future. Do these new developments diminish the value of even learning to code? It definitely seems like something to be considered and a skillset/ knowledge base that can be a great supplement to traditional code. I'd appreciate any insight from you dev's who have been at it for a while.

This reminds me of the healthcare industry, a million tools that they have to pay us over priced contractors to make them work together, and whenever things have to be upgraded, oh boy pay up people! ;)

No-code or codeless platforms, like Avo Assure, allow QA teams to test complex or feature-rich software application without writing a single line of code. It’s the trend in test automation and is worth embracing.

Having been in software development and software architecture for a little over 20 years, my experience with these approaches is that they can be feasible for simple, standardized scenarios. But as soon as a certain complexity level is exceeded, they either fail, or become so complex themselves that you again need a "tech guy" like myself to take care of things. And often enough, you then have to partially or completely re-design the solution because the underlying architecture simply is inadequate.

As a programmer and business owner, I completely agree with you. Technology is a tool not the final product. By using latest technology tool, disruption on different traditional industry is inevitable. It is true the some programmer are focusing seemingly unimportant trivial features. However, in one hand we need to understand the business of technology is to build the product not just using the tools; on the other hand, we cannot forget that all these technology is based on countless open source code that many tiny "unimportant trivial" tasks and feature were being made and upgraded. Without this trivial feature upgrade, it is harder if not impossible to build the final product people want. Thus, as an application builder, we should respect those people who tirelessly without obvious financial award built the underlining technology.

No Code Developers? Yeah they've been around since the mid 90s. They are called Technical Architects.

There are still plenty of database admins but the amount of people and companies still using Access and similar tools are still around they still are profitable. They have completion from no code more so than the low code group. But there are millions of businesses that don’t have modern tech so this is considered a first step before a full stack team comes in. Still need a full stack team, and the duties for a database admin are still there, just reshaped

As a client success director, I fell in love with mendix because i could execute requests or even full new features within a few hours versus waiting for developers to get back to me.

It's like when you were young and in love with video game then your sister come and take your game controller and presses button randomly while also eating a pack of Cheetos , not caring much about the game, drops the controller one or three time and still finish the level and she does not wait to celebrate but just leave the game and you alone to contemplate... Why are we here still here? Just to suffer..

Stand on the shoulder of giants and no need reinvent the wheels. If a concept has already been implemented and it's working, why not just use it. Great video!

Sounds very similar to Salesforce and their "clicks instead of code" platform of declarative tools take precedence over programatic configuration.Problem is that the your limited to very simple processes and the second that you want to implement a more complex solution and you don't have any prior java OOP experience the knowledge and learning curve can be scathing.

Simply put no code is like constructor , its fun when you understand the principles, but there some disadvantages: 1. Security, you are pretty dependent on the service provider 2. Vendor lock in, there no options to run the software other then on the infrastructure of service provider. 3.Service provider potentially can abuse they role and demand more money for the services as it in reality calculated. 4. If service provider deprecate some services and your business depend on it, well you have a problem. So programmers would be needed for creating customizable solutions which cant be provided by no code service providers and next independence, my personal website powered by Docker i can ran my website anywhere where it is possible, on premise , on cloud just anywhere where Docker can be executed ;)

You can you use all the microservices if you want but if you want something original you have to code! And how are you going to develop machine learning or games ?

I've just subscribed to your channel and I am one of those basement guys comparing text editors like vim or emacs x"D. Sorry but can you recommend some documentation or something to improve our skills and redirect to the product development and not a random number generator.

I use glide for our app development for a school project

I'm a beginner just completed my masters in computer science and I was wondering what you think about unqork? I'm planning on picking up a certification

4:32 so true!

You still need developers making the no-code apps at the end of the day 🤷🏻‍♀️

I´m currently developing a no code/low code platform, i already wrote 5 times the code i would need for the app that sparked this initial investment and i´m not even half done. It was a medium sized point of sales system, i already did that many times in different technology but this time my point of view was "why do it time and time again wen i can create a generic system that will do it for me?", my differential from other low code is that i plan to have it be a "no compromises" wen it comes to customization, you can go from easier than dynamics 365 starter level, to full blow custom enterprise ERP and BI systems from it. The point is, after all this coding i will have a platform that can and will cut down times for developing a app by more than 3/4 since i wont ever have to deal with modeling data and designing a front end ever gain if i don't want to...

I have been a low code developer - yeah I know some of you won't call it like that - with Claris FileMaker and I really like it. We can release and iterate up to 4x faster than regular development teams programming in Javascript/Java/C/...

If you can use something pre-built then yes, sure go ahead. Or if you need to tie some services together etc. But do you want to depend on 10 SaaS vendors for your business? What if just one goes down? What people call "no code" is in fact "configuration over code" that requires the same or even greater knowledge of technical and business processes at all stages of application development. Example backend guys use Mule. And it cost company huge $$$ yet the speed of development is about the same as ppl who just code in java.

Check out the GPT-3 deep learning language model that can generate code from comments and websites from descriptions, it's not perfect by any means, but it's still damn impressive.

What do you think of Microsoft Power apps?

I did things backwards. I learned how to use all these no code services to build websites but now I'm learning coding.

I’m missing techleads sarcasm and jokes on this channel 😀

As someone who created all the automation for my company with a bunch of different apps, zapier, Google sheets etc, it is possible. But now redoing everything in react with out own server because you hit a wall after a certain amount of scale.

How about a tool to build an internal database application?

I agree that this might be disruptive for the app market, but keep in mind that that’s not all there is to coding. There’s a whole other world of embedded systems that seems, at least to me, really hard to abstract out into micro services. Although to work in those jobs would require some hardware knowledge, this to me means that we’re coming to a point where programming skills aren’t enough to get a good job. You instead have to have skills that can be combined with programming to do something unique

I think you're in the right camp. Code will write itself someday. In the meantime these meta level connector objects are no different than regular objects. Who would want to go back to pre-OOP?

How would you recommed job as an Appian Developer ? Can I grab that opportunity as future aspect ?

Low code will mean MORE dev jobs because it will bring more dev projects that spin up and quickly hit a wall and need expertise. The simple low code apps non-developers are going to churn out are the same ones you tried to run from before because they were not interesting. A new dev role that maybe 10% of developers will LIKE is a low code coach which will be using superior experience to guide the design of these little apps. Complexity will always need brainpower + experience. Simplicity is moving away from wasting the lives of smart people.

Good informative video, I've the opinion that only a developer can create lets say 'snow on a button'. And it can't be done in NC LC environments.

So in the near future the only time a developer writes code will be in the coding interview?

I think Outsystems is the top 1 Low-code platform right now. You can still code there if you want to write a custom extension using C# or Java. or Custom frontend component using javascript. However, that platform is fucking expensive. it will cause you 173k AUD for a 1-year subscription (not sure about this, but my PM said this to me).

7:30 Final point

Bang on ... when I read the title, I thought you would just annihilate the concept and the movement after all you are "The Tech Lead", but it was refreshing to hear your perspective. I had exact same intuition when I was first introduced to this - Disruption! Also totally agree with the HackerNews stuff. It's just fascinating, how many people still follow it and discuss around things that are probably not used or relevant today in 99% of the times. People who love making products (software) will seldom find themselves hooked to HN.

I don't think "no code" will phase out developers, at least in its current form. If anything, it'll allow applications/websites to offer more features as devs integrate those services into their app/site like any other API. This sort of thing has been around for decades; it's just the APIs you're integrating do much more now that FB auth.

What you think of outsystems? Haven’t seen any reviews…

Did not expect this at all - I assumed it would be bashing the movement but instead it shared my own thoughts. I appreciate your analogy here - 5:50 :D

I am more in favour of low code, knowing how to improve your development process with these tools, services and apis. You are still going to need to code for sophisticated ideas.

Anyhow , you will always need a lower level coders to program the higher level tools. Like with Excel though advanced administrators who can do great dashboards don't get paid as much as developers. Years ago a lot of the programming was based in creating management information from data, rather than being front end customer based. Nowadays a lot of that work is done through powerful administration tools in Office. I don't see job adverts for Excel VBA coders, probably because the user can do most of it anyway, or create their own record macro by using it.

Makes sense.. Implementation is going to become very product centric.. If that means doing away with costs that can be saved..

This is precisely the reason why it's necessary to teach computational thinking over teaching syntax at school....

Are low code platforms categorized as a Technical skill?

If you're talking low code then Outsystems is the only option if you're serious about a career in low code rapid application development IMO.

Like my professors always said don’t reinvent the wheel. Then go an show how to make our own vector class so we don’t have to use the stl

Depending on multiple sources to build a product increases your risk exposure.

I think is the future, coders will make codes to help people to create easily. When I was student i was used to make websites as an hobby, but it was always not perfect. Since wordpress my websites are much more professional and easy to do.

I predict this will be like Game Maker apps - not very customizable without writing code. What about when the next Gmail comes out? Then you need a programmer to modify the GUI app creator.

The ideal is actually “prefab apps”. Check out www.Fliplet.com. Ie get 90% of components out of the box but have the option to extend the platform for pieces of your app that you want to be truly unique (the best apps often have something that makes their functionality a little unique).