When Mercedes Almost Went Crazy
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@pkatsigris Місяць тому
And now we get a 4 cylinder 63 amg😂😂😂😂😂
@mattmckie6967 Місяць тому
Its just not a 63 without a v8. Don't care how they rate it.
@Kalvinjj Місяць тому
@@mattmckie6967 The naming convention has just gone out the window. But the worst name r*pe gotta be Porsche with the Taycan *turbo* on a freaking electric only car...
@mattmckie6967 Місяць тому
@@Kalvinjj I worked on a 430i yesterday... it was 2.0 4 pot.. . What is the world coming to
@MrDumper123 Місяць тому
Shrinkflation
@V8_screw_electric_cars Місяць тому
what a turd
@ridhobaihaqi144 Місяць тому
When cars were made by engineers, not accountant like now...
@erasmus_locke Місяць тому
@ridhobaihaqi144 German engineers. Any engineer that's not stupid would have made a large V8. 16 cylinders and 5 valves per cylinder leaves you with 80 valves imagine trying to do spark plugs and coils on an engine like that or even just a plain oil change the thing would have been an unreliable unserviceable mess.
@ReinhardPriller-ck9ny Місяць тому
bullshit; the 12 zylinder BMW was easy to maintain and so would have been the 16 zylinder. The problem was the long motor with center of gravity more and more going into the front
@andrewnichols1023 Місяць тому
The W140 was the last of that, now everything is made to a budget.
@strammerdetlef Місяць тому
@@erasmus_locke u totally dont get what the top notch of luxury cars are about. hint: its not keeping the costs for service down
@seniraranasinghe645 Місяць тому
When cars were made by engineers, not *EU regulations* like now
@Petriefied0246 Місяць тому
The BMW V16 was placed in a Rolls Royce and, even though it didn't make production, it was featured in the Jonny English films. The reason being that Rowan Atkinson is a petrolhead.
@YounesLayachi Місяць тому
Oh interesting, from the sound of that engine I thought it was something different than the usual 6.75 V8, but I assumed they faked the sound to be "more impressive" than the smooth quiet engine
@grastmast Місяць тому
And Rowan own this car...edit owns
@andrewnichols1023 Місяць тому
I used to work at Porsche and Rowen Atkinson brought his 959 in, they used to only be able to be service at Reading headquarters, but his car used to come in regularly and a sick 1970s old school 911.
@markamd1 Місяць тому
@@grastmastwhat? 😂 "Owns" it's Owns the car not Own...
@grastmast Місяць тому
@@markamd1 :-) lol I´m very sorry. I´m not a native speaker
@CyanRooper Місяць тому
Fun fact: the Bugatti Veyron was initially planned to have an 18 cylinder engine before the company decided "nah, that's too much" so they settled on a more sensible 16 cylinder engine instead. I think at this point you could make a list video on all the 16 cylinder engines that were either made or were planned to be made only to be abandoned. Alfa Romeo, Audi, Auto Union, Bentley, BRM, BMW, Bugatti, Cadillac, Cizeta, Maserati, Mercedes Benz and Rolls Royce (and others I can't remember) all either built 16 cylinder engines or attempted to build them using concept cars or by simply creating blueprints. It's interesting to see how so many manufacturers tried to build cars with that many cylinders despite the increased weight and complexity of such engines.
@WymiataczPlays Місяць тому
From what I know the Bugatti's 18 cylinder simply had cooling issues and couldn't muster more than 550HP semi-reliably, but I might be just as wrong as you. :D
@Damien.D Місяць тому
the Bugatti W18 existed as a mockup, and it was a 3 bank W, not the 2 VR retained for the W16.
@aasishwarsaravana5748 Місяць тому
Although Im looking forward to the v16 Bugatti, I wish they went with something more exotic, like a v14 which was never attempted in a performance race car. Sure it would be complicated and not produce much power and have good balance as a v16, but it would be one of a kind engine, and I would have loved to see that
@DanielBenzs65AMG Місяць тому
When v12’s are perfectly balanced and run incredibly smoothly I don’t see the point but hey why not????
@memorimusic420 Місяць тому
@aasishwarsaravana5748 A V14 simply wouldnt be possible due to balancing issues. Inline 7s (if they would be used) would be horribly unbalanced and so V14s would be absolute hell😂
@barrymccockiner6641 Місяць тому
I can't imagine changing the oil or spark plugs on this beast...
@Kalvinjj Місяць тому
Oil I don't think would be an issue, the pan is still at the bottom and there's a bank pointing right up for easy filling, spark plugs tho I'm with you on this one. Bottom banks probably as well accessible as a boxer, that is, if the manifolds aren't in the way, and at the very least one bank has gotta have an intake manifold right in front of the plugs.
@fidelcatsro6948 Місяць тому
Just use 50,000km and throw it back to the dealer😂😂😂
@ridhobaihaqi144 Місяць тому
Engine oil? Looks like it's above 15 liters 😂😂😂
@pashakdescilly7517 Місяць тому
@@Kalvinjj I hope the engines would use automatic (hydraulic) tappets, so no need for access to do routine adjustments.
@memorimusic420 Місяць тому
The oil amount is probably as big as the gas tank😂
@Kingwboxing Місяць тому
This was when Mercedes was Mercedes. None of that Chrysler merger nonsense.
@brandons9138 Місяць тому
You do know that Mercedes sold off Chrysler over 17 years ago?
@erasmus_locke Місяць тому
Ssshh once someone blames Americans for something it's impossible to change their mind
@johncarl5505 Місяць тому
Mercedes is the reason why Chrysler is a husk of what it once was.
@Xayuap Місяць тому
daimn ler
@stefanfilipov7254 Місяць тому
@@johncarl5505 Bro, I watched some video about New York and what caught my eye, other than the literal army of police all over the place, was that the cars driven on the Roads were mainly Japan brands. So maybe there are other reasons too 🙂
@cjmunnee3356 Місяць тому
The Bugatti V-16 jump-scare at the end... *chef's kiss*
@MelodyMan69 Місяць тому
I think that was the Engine that burnt down the Test Rig when they started it up...? 👀
@R3RS2024 Місяць тому
Back then Car designers/engineers built cars now its the finance division.
@brandons9138 Місяць тому
That is the unfortunate truth.
@chrisridethatbloodything2044 Місяць тому
Sadly the finance division decided not to build it :-(
@alastairward2774 Місяць тому
That's the economy we all live under now, who can really afford a new car these days?
@andrewnichols1023 Місяць тому
Totally agree the w140 s class was the last merc built by engineers and not accountants, the early 2000s mercs lost there way and brought cheap metal from China and they rusted madly.
@andrewnichols1023 Місяць тому
@@alastairward2774New cars have now become crazy money a Porsche Carrera in early 2000s was 75k, now a GT4 cayman is well over 100k and 911s are crazy money, us regular people have to buy these cars second hand, as long as they don’t fly up in price.
@chesspiece81 Місяць тому
An updated S74 would be a dream car to own. Imagine if they had built the W16 with 3 or 6 turbos or 3 Eaton M90 Superchargers gear driven off the timing assembly. Who says that cocaine use from the late 70s through the early 90s didn't spawn great ideas.
@ZIGZAG12345 Місяць тому
Hell some of the best films from around those same years even had an official "coke budget" too!
@chesspiece81 Місяць тому
@@ZIGZAG12345 Miami's skyline would look a whole lot different
@bernhardjordan9200 Місяць тому
Next step up is shoehorning a DB-605 in a car
@rahulmandala4930 Місяць тому
An absolute unit of an engine for sure! Daimler Benz and BMW made some kickass aviation engines. Especially BMW’s 801 Radial-14 cylinder engine and some others!
@Kalvinjj Місяць тому
Close enough! A DB-603 did find itself on the Mercedes-Benz T80 land speed record car in the late 30s, too bad some stupid guy decided to try to dominate the world and all so it didn't get it's chance to shine.
@applejuice5272 Місяць тому
Fantastic vid! Brilliant way to end it as well 😮
@zonie70 Місяць тому
Thanks for this video Samuel . Some amazing things were tried back then. Some look far too complex to be reliable in my opinion ! 🌵
@adamdixon2251 Місяць тому
Bmw and Mercedes no longer do reliable now
@MichaelRoy-hc3lz Місяць тому
Love these stories. Thanks for bringing it to us
@upsidedowndog1256 Місяць тому
Sweet concept! As if working on German cars with traditional layouts isn't difficult enough already. The center bank exhaust would cause issues with induction heating I am sure.
@JCGver Місяць тому
Hey we might have gotten lucky and it not have plastic intake manifolds...
@upsidedowndog1256 Місяць тому
@@JCGver Don't put it past them! They would invent a new high temp thermal plastic and made the exhaust and intakes one piece, liquid cooled manifolds using the tears of whales as coolant!
@beaterbikechannel2538 Місяць тому
At the Mercedes-Benz engine factory, a worker begins lapping the valves. 1 down ,89 to go. They probably did it by machine though.
@ReinhardPriller-ck9ny Місяць тому
no lapping anymore: good machining, perfectly tight
@TheSlowDude Місяць тому
Thanks again :-) love that Mercedes era
@shadowred1980 Місяць тому
Looking forward to what Bugatti are cooking up with the n\a V16. :)
@Technobitz Місяць тому
We should try and get in contact with Mercedes and see if they will release some information
@1allan2 Місяць тому
Imagine having to time that beast after major works, id be so nervous turning the key !
@legendarykrbx5659 Місяць тому
Now that is serious power
@nishamedawatta4486 Місяць тому
Most beautiful s class ever
@PhantomWoIf Місяць тому
its the best car.
@andrewnichols1023 Місяць тому
The wide body c140 7.3 is my favourite lts either an amg or brabus
@fidelcatsro6948 Місяць тому
Crazy nightmare for mechanics to service or repair😄😄😄
@CX06 Місяць тому
BMW actually made two Goldfisch prototypes. The one with the scoops was the first, the second looked just like a restyled 7 series. The V16 BMW engine was also made differently to the Mercedes unit. They installed a cylinder onto each end of each cylinder bank, the joins are quite visible.
@M-oneeleven-M111 Місяць тому
Awesome concept and creative design solutions, serviceability would have been tough but then they did that anyway with twin spark on the M112, M113 and M137 then make access as limited as possible 🤣
@22fret Місяць тому
Mechanic's nightmare. What a behemoth...
@WayApp 28 днів тому
Mind blowing
@jonasthomsen2311 Місяць тому
1:02 Thats the M60 V8 no the M70 v12🤨
@rjung_ch Місяць тому
Cheers 👍💪✌
@AP_Autobahn Місяць тому
Do the Maybach V24 engine Mercedes planned to drop in the Maybach
@BlaDeKke Місяць тому
nice ending
@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 Місяць тому
That would have been the most gangster car in history... Mafia bosses the world over would have had to have one.
@andrewnichols1023 Місяць тому
So true the jakusa drove modded Mercedes in the midnight club in Japan and would totally take this car on.
@OhhGeee 28 днів тому
You should cover the 1980 4 door C3 Corvette.
@davidl546 Місяць тому
I like it when engineers go crazy.
@andrewnichols1023 Місяць тому
You remember the yellow bird ruff 911?
@splitters2477 Місяць тому
Love to know the MPG of this monster merc engine....😮
@symmetry08 Місяць тому
Yeah . . . those were a crazy years with Cylinders !
@gtjack9 Місяць тому
To quote Ferris Bueller (which probably is quoting another movie) “You can never go too far”
@DanielBenzs65AMG Місяць тому
Sure glad they made the amg m275 and the amg m279!!!!
@Jack-Eugen 23 дні тому
Awesome video about this giant engine cars and now i hear someone say that mercedes was about to make a big engine not W18 a V24 when i hear that i say oh my lord how that big engine will be put in sedan cars or sport cars a big V24 more like 2 big V12 engines :))
@Pauli-xl8nr Місяць тому
I respect older german engineering.
@stukoviak Місяць тому
As nice as that 16 cylinder is, it most likely would have gone against the functional mentality of Mercedes Benz of that era. Those cars were already over-engineered as it is. That engine just seems to have been too unconventional for passenger car usage, especially in the W140. But, that exhaust sound would still have been pretty sweet to hear...
@themetalslayer2260 Місяць тому
it's possible to simulate such an engine nowadays with good results..can somebody create the same engine on engine simulator (yes, i can't do that because i'm bad at it)
@r.guerreiro140 23 дні тому
Does the emissions regulations do makes sense or is pure ecoideology?
@oikkuoek Місяць тому
When engineers are left without any supervision.. Imagine being a mechanic and this nonsense of an engine comes to your garage. "There's a funny noise and the engine light is on." How much would you charge for hoisting this tank up on the lift?
@memorimusic420 Місяць тому
"That'll be the entire GDP of Africa in maintenance costs" 😂😂
@jnalhn1188 28 днів тому
Due to the conrod design the side banks have less stroke then the centre bank.
@Julian13o11 27 днів тому
Imagine that engines with bi turbo
@runeandersen908 Місяць тому
Can you explain why this configuration is called "W16" when a Bugatti's W16 is made by two VR8's in a V-configuration?
@Collateralcoffee 25 днів тому
This was not even the real Goldfish. There was one, which was actually even closer to production.
@lukaskucerik3751 Місяць тому
A ďalšia verzia by bola...hmm väčší motor by sme museli dať za šoféra ale keďže motor už máme...na*ebeme tam 4 turbá 🙌😂
@Ghostwritersinthesky Місяць тому
Mercedes hätte den W140 mit dem 16zylindermotor in großserie herstellen sollen, der wäre noch besser gewesen als der W140 V12 der bereits der allerbeste pkw ist aller bisherigen pkw ist.
@notroll1279 Місяць тому
Und wer hätte die Großserie dann kaufen sollen? Viel laufruhiger als der V12 hätte der V16 nicht werden können, wohl aber noch mal schwerer... dann wäre das Auto in den Bereich der LKW-Zulassung vorgedrungen, mit allen Einschränkungen, die das gebracht hätte.
@Eggyteevee 29 днів тому
Imagine the amount off oil it would use lmao
@ghabwy9733 Місяць тому
"instead of the pistons going like this..." *Obscene acting it out from shake weight to car dealership blow up man 🤪
@jorogad 26 днів тому
Great video, but please take some vocal training
@erasmus_locke Місяць тому
When I'm in a needlessly over engineered competition and my opponent is a German
@ocsi-V8 13 днів тому
To boli autá! Nie ako tie nekvalitné smetie, čo sa dnes vyrábajú…! Smutné, ale kvalita už je len minulosťou…!
@stefanfilipov7254 Місяць тому
I like the old Mercedes models more than the new ones. It's just a complete maintenance nightmare...
@edgardominguez8678 Місяць тому
There is much better pronunciation of the consonants and more respect in the spaces between words in this video, thank you.
@Tom-wl9sx Місяць тому
Those where the days! Today we have electric cars 😭
@memorimusic420 Місяць тому
Electric cars have existed long before ICE was even invented. Today we have accountants ruining any kind of fun.
@kevinpraditra Місяць тому
Imagine having to take out your engine every time you have to service it
@ivansnob2360 Місяць тому
1989-1991 - is the highest point of our civilization
@V8_screw_electric_cars Місяць тому
They got really upset that BMW has V12
@sebastianhasbun3846 Місяць тому
Imagine how insane it’d sound if they had taken it a step further and tried slapping on a turbine compound system and having it feed all 3 cylinder banks. since it’s only using one crankshaft itd be relatively easy to package
@Proteus6684 Місяць тому
I'm no mechanic but I'm going to put it out there anyway......surely the weak point of the 700hp has to be the crank shaft? Like yeah it can handle 6 and 12....but 18? Like, squeezing that many on surely must weaken the crank on available space alone. That thing would have to be forged out of diamond along with the rod ends no?
@PM_Anthony_Albanese Місяць тому
They almost got wheezy.
@thumperjdm Місяць тому
You go to the dealership for a tune-up on your V-16: The service advisor, "Would you like to pay for that on a 15-year, or 30-year mortgage?" 😂😂😂
@Xayuap Місяць тому
you getting paid now?
@45johngalt Місяць тому
the emissions were not lax in the 90s, esp not in California lol the 60s were when no one cared
@ukwan Місяць тому
As much as Mercedes fans (I am one) think that Mercedes lead the way with excess and bonkers engines. I'd argue the VW group was the bonkers one.. VR5, VR6, W8, W12, W16..
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Місяць тому
Still less crazy than the V16 7-Series. Two inline-8s is way more extreme than two almost V8s (which are two inline-4s) in the form of two VR9s. The entire cooling system for the V16 was where the trunk would have been.
@Flies2FLL Місяць тому
VR9 is not a correct moniker. VR engines have two banks with one cylinder head, necessitating a narrow V angle. This MB was a true "W" engine; VAG's W8, W12, and W16 are really "double V" engines. Four banks of cylinders rather than three.
@waserdert6259 Місяць тому
You're confusing MB's W engine with VW's W engine, VW's W engine features two VR engines like how you had said it, Mercedes' version is a true W with three I6s mashed together
@Goku13_7 Місяць тому
A V16 was never planned or designed. This was just a meme in a german magazine: - 50:40min - ukposts.info/have/v-deo/oZh_ioWDhqugmIE.html
@ag..hk..bs._ha--azul- Місяць тому
😂😅in 1990, i saw an ferrari in arabic country which was 20cyc and limouise type with 6 doors ,
@Fester_ Місяць тому
I don't think size is everything, not really, About average if fine, no one needs more than that. I'm fine then.
@thetoughcookie3665 Місяць тому
Golden times are far behind. Now no cylinders and full plastic cars with only artificial speaker sound for no ballz drivers.
@Renarification Місяць тому
MB never done or design W type engines! only VW/Audi does (VR and W) Don't fool people!!!🤬
@servicerockveterinarian4349 Місяць тому
A bmw using a turn signal...like that ever happened
@erasmus_locke Місяць тому
I have a question for any Germans in the audience. If they wanted an 8L engine why didn't they just make a large V8? What's the point of an 80 valve engine
@ramadhanisme7 Місяць тому
More exotic perhaps? And to showcase their engineering prowess
@memorimusic420 Місяць тому
Like the video mentions; arms race. All the manufacturers wanted to be the best and have the biggest/most exotic/most cylinder engine
@tomtom1541 Місяць тому
V12 engine is much smoother running compared to a big V8
@wheelwrightpl9429 Місяць тому
Those puny, yet grossly overpriced German toys ! Almost ten thousand Chrysler-A57 engines were produced (five banks of inline-6 cylinder). And that was 50 years before the Germans !
@lumbego Місяць тому
dauwm
@shelbynamels973 12 днів тому
Please, in the name of everything that is holy, get a AI voice to do the narration.
@rogerbarnes6516 Місяць тому
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤e❤❤❤
@jebise1126 15 днів тому
boring... they didnt even try X layout. go X24 or go home
@StephanPluemer 29 днів тому
12Piston Engine, to much weight on the front axel, 16 Piston? Stupid, its all about talking "i have x" ... Drive-E much better then XX Pistons ...
@deusmuerte6832 29 днів тому
Those introductions 🤮🤮🤮 During the time... not interested. Give facts!
@jamesengland7461 Місяць тому
The main problem with this complex design was the odd European convention of limiting displacement to 500cc per cylinder, which even continues to Bugatti engines of today. It's a silly constraint which leads to such absurd complexity as this. It would have been easy to simply bore and stroke the V12 to 8 liters.
@brianb-p6586 Місяць тому
I understand what your'e saying, but most Mercedes V8's - from long before the 1990's and right up until now - displace more than 4.0 L (so more than 500 cc per cylinder).
@memorimusic420 Місяць тому
I have never heard of such a rule and i dont think it even exists
@netoskin Місяць тому
Its an italian thing, they make shorter strokes to get the engine to rev high, incrementing horsepower but compromising on torque but they make the cars light so torque can be still low
@memorimusic420 Місяць тому
@@netoskin its not just an italian thing tho
@guerrillaradio9953 25 днів тому
Too bad cars are now made as unrepairable, disposable i-devices that all all look exactly the same....an ugly, alien-spaceship-egg thing I wouldn't drive if you paid me to. Welcome to the second malaise era.
@AH-mj1rd Місяць тому
When Mercedes was built by engineers and not some blue haired woke greenpeace joke
@kristoffer3000 Місяць тому
"Everything I don't like is woke" It's just capitalism, sweaty. As the system goes on the profit margins get thinner, there's some bearded fella that talked about this in the 1800's, Marl Karx or something I think it was ;) Turns out he's the worlds most influential scholar for a reason
@AH-mj1rd Місяць тому
@@kristoffer3000 didnt know capitalism means to reduce profits.... profit margins are thinner because the current design and reliability is total trash. mercedes is currently competing with hyundai gnises than rolls royce
@kristoffer3000 Місяць тому
@@AH-mj1rd Bruh, you literally just admit to not understanding what's happening then making up some crap excuse for it. Again; Marx was saying this nearly 200 years ago and explained it really well, he's not wrong just because you don't understand how capitalism works.
@WolfmanDude Місяць тому
The car era is over anyway. Even if all the green-stuff was not a thing: gasoline is a limited resource. It will be empty some day. Gas doubled in price over the last 2 years. Owning a car today is just a pain with all the costs, laws and regulations. Half my countries laws are about traffic.Where I live they are now mass-testing every driver for drugs/alcohol every weekend. You own a older car? Well that sucks for you! The safety inspection wont let anything pass thats not brand new. New cars are "cost optimised" plastic trash with a crappy, spyware filled Ipad bolted to the dash. They last 5 years before the DPF starts clogging and you need new injectors for 5k. They cant even get basic enigne internals right anymore. I still own a car but sometimes I dont move it for weeks. Sucks, but the party is over I guess. Sometimes I wish they would ban all cars, just to put the remaining drivers out of thair misery.
@kristoffer3000 Місяць тому
@@WolfmanDude Lmao, delusional
@osseely Місяць тому
the commentary is so bad I couldn't even finish 1 minute
@quasimodo8215 Місяць тому
C'mon there is a way to improve your pronation! At the beginning it was OK, knowing that you are from Slovakia and English is not your native language but in the meantime it's getting. .......for me. Be so kind and look out for little bit help from someone who could teach you better pronunciation. You will benefit from it! So as we. Kind regards
@jamesengland7461 Місяць тому
Just stop.
@memorimusic420 Місяць тому
Bruh let the man be... you understood him? Alrighty that settles the argument
@jamesengland7461 Місяць тому
@@memorimusic420 exactly
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