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Nikita Zadorov's comments have brought the LA Kings 1-3-1 formation into fire in recent days, claiming that their system isn't real hockey. So I wanted to do a deeper dive to figure out if there was any validity to this or if this was all blown out of proportion.
0:00 "The Kings don't play hockey"
0:53 The most infamous 1-3-1 moment of all time
3:03 Canucks vs Kings analysis (clips)
5:14 The 1-3-1 isn't impenetrable
6:22 Are the Kings "boring" to watch?
7:57 This worries me
#losangeleskings #lakings #hockeyhighlights
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@13Frostie
@13Frostie 24 дні тому
The comment at 6:18 is top tier. Watching the segment before I was like “fuck, we all know what happens next!”
@CunuckHockey
@CunuckHockey 23 дні тому
Nothing happened next 😭
@grumben123
@grumben123 20 днів тому
I seem to remember Canucks fans rioting because the finals and their victory parade was cancelled.
@AntnyDsmn
@AntnyDsmn 18 днів тому
The comment at 6:17 (617 is Boston’s area code) is top tier jealousy. 😆🤣😂
@cameronpowell6778
@cameronpowell6778 Місяць тому
“1-3-1 isn’t impenetrable, just be Connor McDavid.”
@somewheredec
@somewheredec 28 днів тому
Might have been the most hilarious sports take i've seen in a long long time....
@kyloren8236
@kyloren8236 16 днів тому
Proved right by yesterday's game 😂
@ikennanana
@ikennanana 12 днів тому
Yesterday’s game 3 against the kings was a textbook example of this 😂😂
@AlexanderMarshallI
@AlexanderMarshallI 10 днів тому
Bahahaha 😂😂😂
@dannorman866
@dannorman866 Місяць тому
Well done on explaining and showing what the 1-3-1 is. Thanks
@CunuckHockey
@CunuckHockey Місяць тому
Glad you found it useful!
@riffgroove
@riffgroove Місяць тому
AKA... "The Neutral Zone Trap."
@oldmedstudent1750
@oldmedstudent1750 5 днів тому
​@@riffgrooveAka the snoozer
@ll7868
@ll7868 Місяць тому
If you're old like me you remember the New Jersey Devils and their trap system in the 90s, holy hell, that was tough to watch.
@Rino37
@Rino37 Місяць тому
As an Avs fan, I couldn’t agree more.
@Dylandontplay
@Dylandontplay Місяць тому
My dad said the same thing ahaha
@zillatattoo
@zillatattoo Місяць тому
dont forget the interference and holding
@ll7868
@ll7868 Місяць тому
@@zillatattoo Oh yeah, at least there were plenty of bathroom breaks. That's why games lasted 3 1/2 hours back then, never-ending parades to the penalty box.
@HammerJammer81
@HammerJammer81 Місяць тому
I thought this Trap system was banned? And yes the 90's Devils made it hard to watch, but they won.
@user-so9he2cw1o
@user-so9he2cw1o Місяць тому
the key to break the 1-3-1 is: The Flying V
@TheArthurfonzarelli
@TheArthurfonzarelli Місяць тому
No, the stinky V!
@at6098
@at6098 Місяць тому
Flying V is bowling for buzzards lol
@questionableidentity1
@questionableidentity1 25 днів тому
Quak quak lol
@keyboardheroism
@keyboardheroism 19 днів тому
Nice... knuckle puck helps too😂
@GershTalentAbeny
@GershTalentAbeny 16 днів тому
😂😂😂 what is the Flying V? I retired from hockey 10 years ago but I know about the 1-3-1 cuz I ran it oncology and in the AHL!
@fyimediaworld
@fyimediaworld Місяць тому
The 1-3-1 has vulnerabilities. The coaches just need to adapt.
@russs7574
@russs7574 26 днів тому
The biggest adjustment offensive minded teams have to make is to learn to be patient.
@NotTheWheel
@NotTheWheel 24 дні тому
​@@russs7574 Patience goes a long way defensively but it won't move the puck offensively. Speed and transition. People think of 3 in the center as a wall.... but it's not - it's more like a bridge. A Bridge isn't a solid structure it has flexibility to address where there's the most tension to support it. Much like a bridge also the tension can only be met at a singular point. Now speed will get you through the gaps as was shown through the video, but you could also do offensive screening to punch through, or you up the tempo of the match on transition which will cause the structure to collapse. Barreling straight through singularly on the wing isn't a good option.
@disgoyknows88
@disgoyknows88 12 днів тому
Sure they said the same thing about the neutral zone trap that the Devils used back in the 90's, and ever since every team practically adopted it and changed the sport.
@Brainfogmusic-66
@Brainfogmusic-66 Місяць тому
i remember that flyers-lightning game like it was yesterday
@CunuckHockey
@CunuckHockey Місяць тому
It really is one of the most memorable games I can think of
@internet33
@internet33 26 днів тому
Same. Felt old when I found out it was almost 15 yrs ago
@howitzer9586
@howitzer9586 Місяць тому
this is the style of hockey which is used by Finland regularly on international level. It has brought them gold from the olympics, and 3 consecutive WC final appearances.
@janbo8331
@janbo8331 Місяць тому
Regularly but not constantly. It's situational just like with the LA Kings.
@zira_fluff4105
@zira_fluff4105 Місяць тому
Great analysis. Perhaps LAK formation could be called "Adaptive 1-3-1" or "Dynamic 1-3-1" as you clearly show in some footage that LAK is fore checking and attacking still.
@PimpinNProgress
@PimpinNProgress 28 днів тому
I was at that lighting flyers game. One take at the time that stood out to me back then was essentially "Baseball is the only sport where the team on defense has the duty to advance the state of play to the team on offense. (By Pitching) So the bolts sitting back and waiting is absolutely acceptable. "
@zafi2250
@zafi2250 Місяць тому
Really liked this style of video. You have a great way of presenting concepts and showcasing examples. Very informative!
@CunuckHockey
@CunuckHockey Місяць тому
Thanks so much! Really appreciate the support!
@SenatorFeathers
@SenatorFeathers Місяць тому
Danault is just like Kopitar. #1 Center focuses defense first but has elite offensive ability faceoff specialist and yes very underrated as well
@TheFlamingPike
@TheFlamingPike Місяць тому
He's the modern day Guy Carbonneau
@highmedic2351
@highmedic2351 18 днів тому
If he had more offensive skills, he would totally win the Selke trophy each year.
@MoralMonster
@MoralMonster Місяць тому
It's a strategy, so figure it out. Nothing wrong with changing the norm and trying a different outlook, especially if it works.
@zoulzopan
@zoulzopan Місяць тому
absolutely agree
@Commentsurveillance
@Commentsurveillance Місяць тому
Wrong. If teams see that this style of trap is successful, other coaches will use it and the game will become boring as shit.
@redwingsnygiants9262
@redwingsnygiants9262 Місяць тому
Absolutely agree. We want goals and excitement not defensive trap game
@jeanjacques9365
@jeanjacques9365 Місяць тому
I would agree if you let both team play it out. The flyers, lightning game well the flyers were called fro playing passively and would repeatedly get face off called in their own zone for "not playing essentially" as if there was only one team on the ice refusing to engage in the play. If you wanna allow everything then you need to allow everything you cant pick and choose especially when the other game plan is an adaptation to the style of play of the other team.
@Pacebeats
@Pacebeats Місяць тому
lol "changing the norm" its an old lame system that makes fans turn the TV off. the kings are a joke
@Markymark-gg6qf
@Markymark-gg6qf Місяць тому
Yeah this 1 3 1 doesn’t work on teams with speed like the oilers, avs, stars, etc..
@CunuckHockey
@CunuckHockey Місяць тому
Yep, it definitely helps to have a Mackinnon or McDavid to counter the 1-3-1 haha
@greathoonta3461
@greathoonta3461 Місяць тому
What’s bad for LA is most teams have one or two speedy danglers
@johnbarker256
@johnbarker256 Місяць тому
Or if you just dump and chase the puck
@Markymark-gg6qf
@Markymark-gg6qf Місяць тому
@@johnbarker256 the far defenseman will get there first
@johnbarker256
@johnbarker256 Місяць тому
@@Markymark-gg6qf in the flyers vs lighting game shown in the video the whole 1-3-1 is flat footed including the back defense men. When you have the puck there's a degree of control hence why the one guy just sat there. If the player with the puck waited like he did and one of his offense teammates built momentum moving into the zone they could have a chance of meeting that far defensemen and winning a puck battle. This is all hypothetical but my team has done this before when I played hockey so I feel like it wouldn't be impossible for people 10000% better than me to pull off. It's not a good option but it's better than standing there for three minutes
@mauricerose3082
@mauricerose3082 Місяць тому
"One of the biggest reasons why the New Jersey Devils rose to prominence in the mid-1990s (1995-1996 excepted) and won the Stanley Cup in 1995 was their use of the Neutral Zone Trap. It's a defensive system that head coach Jacques Lemaire drilled into the team, who collectively bought into it to great success. The Devils didn't invent the trap or created it out of nowhere. Per this Toronto Hockey article that explains it somewhat, the Montreal Canadiens of the 1970s used this system as well - and it's origins lie further back in international play. Lemaire was on those incredibly successful teams, so it's not really a surprise that he recalled it and implemented it when coaching New Jersey and elsewhere. Granted, the Devils weren't loaded with talent as those Montreal teams; but it certainly gave the Devils an edge at the time."
@THEREDHOTWRECK
@THEREDHOTWRECK Місяць тому
Hence why Brodeur isn't nearly as good as people make him out to be. That's why Giguere 100% outplayed him in 03
@jeremycoyle2782
@jeremycoyle2782 Місяць тому
Very good analysis, I should have read your comment first as I made a similar one. But the other thing on that team was Brodeur, he practically eliminated the dump and chase with his terrific puck handling. He was almost like a rover back there.They had to change the rules to stop him doing it!
@weybye91
@weybye91 Місяць тому
I found a way to play through that tactic. Pick carrier plays the puck back, and the new carrier, plays the puck to the opposite side, and you have a one on one in the neutral zone
@professordogwood8985
@professordogwood8985 Місяць тому
I say, the puck carrier exiting their zone favour their opposite wing while rushing into the neutral zone. When the defenders close in on the puck carrier, spin into the boards while protecting the puck and draw the defense away from the rest of the team. If done correctly, this should allow a forehand pass in the neutral zone to a variety of streaking players who can possibly force an odd man rush into the attacking zone. Either that or skate the puck back to the goaltender, let him smother the puck, and have a defensive zone faceoff. It might be the only way to draw in the forecheckers.
@carstenweizer
@carstenweizer 21 день тому
You really did a good job explaining this, any chance you'd do a video on the devils neutral zone trap? I've heard a lot about it but I don't have a clear understanding on how it works
@uppymcdowny58
@uppymcdowny58 18 днів тому
The devils neutral zone trap was similar to any other neutral zone trap, but instead of running the 1-3-1 formation like in this video, they ran a 1-2-2. But what made the Devils trap system so much more effective was the rules at the time prohibiting 2-line passes, as well as rules like slashing and hooking not being enforced nearly as much as they are today, which made suffocating the neutral zone significantly easier.
@PelosiStockPortfolio
@PelosiStockPortfolio 27 днів тому
It just seems like a slight variation of the neutral zone trap from the 90s. Dump and chase is what teams came up with to get around it back then, and that was boring to watch, but it seemed like teams got better at it over time. The rules changes of 2 line pass and goalie restriction zone helped a lot. If you want to kill 1-3-1 quickly, it will take another rules change for defensive neutral zone infraction
@Clenched.Cheeks
@Clenched.Cheeks 5 днів тому
I actually enjoy 1-3-1 hockey. It’s not an impenetrable defence but it demands for good coaching and high skill to break it as your video detailed. And I love the tactician elements of hockey. I love seeing coaches find ways to break things like a neutral zone trap.
@icollectstories5702
@icollectstories5702 Місяць тому
Is this really different from the New Jersey neutral zone trap? It sounds like the counter-move is the same dump-and-chase.
@wisconsinhugs
@wisconsinhugs Місяць тому
Interesting video. Never seen this strategy before!!!
@reindeerheadgames
@reindeerheadgames Місяць тому
Love the heat, GKG
@jp783
@jp783 29 днів тому
Great job w/this video. Here's the truth: a LOT of teams are going to be going to a 1-3-1 come playoff time not just LA, you can bet the house on that. I always wonder what would happen if the puck handler wound up and slap shot the puck at the head of the opposing F1 diagonal cross neutral ice if the 1-3-1 teams would start wondering about the price they'd have to pay to play it. Just a thought lol Dino Ciccarelli would be proud, anyway. At 3:38, if Miller cranks that puck at the head/neck area of that F1 (I can't see who he is), and they do that a few times for intention, it has to make them think about how they're defending next time.
@XavierPerreault-ww9jc
@XavierPerreault-ww9jc 20 днів тому
im sure theres rules that prevents you from trying to injure a opposing player lmao
@jp783
@jp783 20 днів тому
@@XavierPerreault-ww9jc you don't watch the NHL playoffs much do you?
@Matt-416
@Matt-416 Місяць тому
The 2011 E. Conference Finals, Bruins Lightning game 7 is the pinnacle of the NHL. Both teams stacked with talent, displaying ectrifying goaltending, unbelievable defensive efforts, equally physical and hard hitting forechecking, high speed and tense play all in a one-goal game.... with zero penalties. Incredible!
@Neonator08
@Neonator08 Місяць тому
That's a matter of taste. The pinnacle of high scoring physical hockey with great goaltending and individual superstars and team talent alike was the Colorado-Detroit rivalry. Most hockey fans consider the greatest regular season game ever played was between these two teams on March 26 1997. You might be a bit young for that game. The intensity, passion, blood, sweat and tears, highlight reel goals and electric hits is just not in today's game right now. The best compliment I can give to the Tampa Bay Lightning is they are likely the pinnacle of playing system hockey.
@CC-of5xl
@CC-of5xl Місяць тому
Nah nobody who wasn't a fan of either team cared. There was probably more talk and coverage around the Oilers v Flames round 2 a couple of years ago than that finals lol. People want to watch big comebacks, highlight real goals and big hits.
@Neonator08
@Neonator08 Місяць тому
@@CC-of5xl Its funny how much regionalism plays in people's opinions. You have to step outside your immediate wheel house to accept greatness. What makes the Detroit-Colorado rivalry much more than anything recent was that it spanned almost 10 years, both teams won multiple Stanley Cup championships during the time, both teams often had to beat the other to go on to win the Stanley Cup and neither team was an immediate geographic rival of the other but yet still a hated giant that must be slain each year in order to reach the promised land. The Oilers and Flames hold a soft spot in my heart as a Canadian, and while that one series was exciting, it was little more than a blip or moment of a few exciting games not in my opinion true greatness befitting Champions. Esp since neither team has won anything.
@CC-of5xl
@CC-of5xl Місяць тому
@Neonator08 "regionalism" you say to a guy who lives in Ontario lol
@Neonator08
@Neonator08 Місяць тому
@@CC-of5xl the teams i talked about and the amazing rivalry are not in Ontario. lol
@ShinmaMumei
@ShinmaMumei 28 днів тому
What is the alternative supposed to be?
@michaelborgen9563
@michaelborgen9563 Місяць тому
Great video, well explained
@davidunger3199
@davidunger3199 Місяць тому
In the SHL (Swedish Hockey League, then Elitserien) Djurgårdens IF and Västra Frölunda (now only Frölunda) where famous for playing this way in the 1990's. And Djurgården won 3 championships in a row playing 1-3-1 hockey.
@JamesMcGinley-wu3qh
@JamesMcGinley-wu3qh Місяць тому
Yeah, I remember watching that Flyers/Lightning game. Had Admiral Akbar over the mancave. He was like: " Oh, I've seen this before, I'm out."
@Nessrox444
@Nessrox444 18 днів тому
I like it. I like watching different styles and strategies collide.
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd Місяць тому
I'm a little surprised you didn't mention the neutral zone back pass used to freeze defending player movement in the neutral zone. The trap is much harder to set when there is no red line pass rule, and a dump-in with only one back and an attacking team with speed sets up an odd man opportunity deep in the attacking zone.
@WigsxD
@WigsxD 9 днів тому
The neutral zone trap has been used since the 1970's with the Canadiens. Jacques Lemaire was a huge fan of this scheme as a player, and used it as a coach for the Devils and Wild. Many teams will shift to this strategy to protect a lead too.
@auhtin
@auhtin Місяць тому
yeah for some reason the 2011 stanley cup final is a blur to me
@Frost.7xx
@Frost.7xx Місяць тому
I played a lot of high end hockey as a kid, WHL, Jr.A, and we played the 1-3-1 a lot, but ONLY when we were up 1-2 goals, nearing the end of the game. I can’t imagine playing that style all game long right off the drop. 🥵 Especially frustrating for the fans who pay big money to watch these games
@brian_of_farce
@brian_of_farce Місяць тому
As a lightning fan, I look back fondly on 2011 because of the fun playoff run but the season of 1-3-1 was brutal to watch. And when we started bringing up players like Palat, Johnson, Kucherov, our team got faster and more explosive and didn't really fit that sit and wait system. It's no surprise that Boucher didn't last much longer as he wasn't exploiting our strengths and teams started picking us apart. Enter Cooper, say goodnight to 1-3-1 and the rest was history
@uhoh7541
@uhoh7541 18 днів тому
You break plays down better than most on TV- get this man a contract!!!
@CunuckHockey
@CunuckHockey 18 днів тому
Hahaha thanks man I appreciate the support! Comments like yours really make my day
@russs7574
@russs7574 26 днів тому
This is no different from when the Devils had success playing their trapping system. Look, I think it sucks, but the object is to win games, not to be aesthetically pleasing. And the referees could help out by being a little more vigilant calling all the clutching and grabbing that goes along with a trapping system. And there are ways to defeat a trap. Be patient, take the short passes, lug the puck over the red line and then dump, chase, retrieve and cycle. That sucks to watch a team doing that, too, but that's how you beat a trap. I'm a Penguins fan, and I remember Mario and Jagr adapting their style of play and having quite a bit of success vs. New Jersey.
@forivall
@forivall 17 днів тому
I wish I came across your channel earlier in this season, my brother and friends have been telling me to watch the Canucks, but I've only finally started with the playoffs :P ah well, no time like the present.
@CunuckHockey
@CunuckHockey 17 днів тому
Hey it's the perfect time to get back to watching the Canucks! The team hasn't been this exciting in more than a decade so better late than never!
@quantumm313
@quantumm313 9 днів тому
i might be biased because Im a kings fan, but i dont really find the way they play boring at all. They've had tons of high score games this season, both for and against. People just like to make excuses for losing, want their star players to score, and get upset when they can't. Combined it makes the 1-3-1 easy to complain about. I'm sure those same people wouldn't be having any more fun if their defense just stopped trying and gave kempe, moore, or byfield a breakaway on their goaile
@movieswithmatticus5469
@movieswithmatticus5469 5 днів тому
Exactly. All these people complaining about the 1-3-1 but they probably didn't even know LA had a team until this video much less actually watched any of their games.
@paulsharpy3719
@paulsharpy3719 Місяць тому
The most important factor in a 1 3 1 is the center man and his ability to cut the play off so it makes sense that with the king's 3 big centers, they do well at it. Canucks actually played the king's last night and faired a bit better against it because Quinn Hughes would carry the puck past a certain point against the center and be able to draw more guys. Anyhow I'd say we won way more entries but Quinn Hughes skated so much more than other games, don't know if that's sustainable in the playoffs
@jeffrorichard2765
@jeffrorichard2765 Місяць тому
Great system breakdown, what a bunch of whining though. Kopitar, Danault and Dubois down the middle … LA has won two Stanleys on defense … they would change why?
@jakerisi
@jakerisi Місяць тому
I’ve been hearing about the 1-3-1 drama for over 10 years. If it still works then fuck it. Play it.
@jamess1021
@jamess1021 29 днів тому
Its only news now because the nucks suck and have legions on bandwagon fans crying.
@ljakian
@ljakian Місяць тому
that 2011 game 7 ecf goal was electric man. cannot believe that was 13 freaking years ago.
@nealtircuit9373
@nealtircuit9373 28 днів тому
There are plays a team can do to defeat this defense, but there is one rule that I wouldn’t mind changing that could help alleviate the problem. That would be if all players abandon their offensive zone at the time of a pass, icing would be waved off. This would allow the team with possession of the puck to not worry about missed passes up the ice.
@techluvin7691
@techluvin7691 Місяць тому
The same defense is played in Basketball and it is effective………..but is easily beat. It is a trap where the lead player forces the puck to one side or the other. As soon as the lead player commits, you get rid of the puck with a sort pass up the middle through the gap. The key is to wait for the commit from the defence. Another way to beat it is Bobby Orr style. Beat the first guy and the trap is broken.
@matturner6890
@matturner6890 9 днів тому
Finally someone breaks down hockey tactics in a way I can actually follow. Thank you, buddy.
@CunuckHockey
@CunuckHockey 9 днів тому
Glad you found the video useful man! Hope you stick around!
@UnhingedCanadian
@UnhingedCanadian Місяць тому
The oilers have a pretty good record against the LA kings both reg season and playoffs. I think how the oilers beat them is they’re a fast rush team and the kings can stop some of their rushes but with sheer volume the oilers get their chances off the rush and once you beat them in the zone and get the cycle going LA is average at best at defending against the cycle.
@movieswithmatticus5469
@movieswithmatticus5469 5 днів тому
Thank you. Everyone is bitching about how boring the Kings are but how many of them have actually watched more than 1 or 2 Kings games this season? If they did then they would already know all of the points you touched on. They don't use it regardless of the situation, they set it up *sometimes* depending on the situation.
@jakubschiedek4193
@jakubschiedek4193 19 днів тому
In czech hockey league there is a team called Oceláři Třinec and theyre well-known here for playing the same style as L.A.
@mauricerose3082
@mauricerose3082 Місяць тому
Pass behind your back to open player on the other side. Or just deep lob the puck on goal or into the corner.
@rakkasaniron1696
@rakkasaniron1696 14 днів тому
Looking at it, 1 3 1 is just a more tactical approach to Hockey. It's not really rocket science. And as frustrating as it can be to play against, (because it's a competition of tactics.) it doesn't inherently ruin or even alter the game of Hockey in any meaningful sense. Besides, a smart tactically minded team can find plenty of ways to power through it with speed. Hearing players complain about this is like listening to Caeser's enemies complain that he out-maneuvered them. That's the name of the game.
@adinsplug8954
@adinsplug8954 Місяць тому
I don’t hate it. Its a methodical way to play the sport, I honestly respect it.
@edited1325
@edited1325 Місяць тому
Bad for profits and money means more at the end of the day since it’s a business
@thatoneguy9666
@thatoneguy9666 25 днів тому
@@edited1325I disagree
@edited1325
@edited1325 25 днів тому
@@thatoneguy9666 disagree with what? Bad for profits? Or the business part? Because the nhl and basically every other league is a business and needs to make profits or else it’ll be shutdown All the average fans I know don’t care for extremely defensive style of hockey, especially kids (who are one of the biggest target audiences for the league) I personally do like it but it does get boring after a game or two
@thatoneguy9666
@thatoneguy9666 25 днів тому
@@edited1325 a 1-3-1 doesn’t affect profits, people are gonna buy tickets regardless
@edited1325
@edited1325 25 днів тому
@@thatoneguy9666the other big thing the league is trying to do is grow the game and encourage offense
@davidcacanindin9245
@davidcacanindin9245 18 днів тому
Excellent content right here!
@CunuckHockey
@CunuckHockey 18 днів тому
Thank you so much!
@gregoryrothenberger4900
@gregoryrothenberger4900 27 днів тому
LOL...I find it amusing that during the early to mid 90s, the same thing was being said about the NJ Devils and the Neutral Zone trap. LOL.
@grumben123
@grumben123 20 днів тому
I had forgotten the finals were cancelled in 2011 until reminded at 6:18. Vancouver fans were so upset that they cancelled the victory parade and set the town on fire.
@awake780
@awake780 19 днів тому
When you’re a Canucks homer and still sore about it 13 years later. 😂
@mitsanut5869
@mitsanut5869 Місяць тому
Hockey is about winning first and about the entertainment second. If you're winning, your success becomes entertaining to the crowds no matter what you play. You might be entertaining but losing and the crowds will sit home. Nobody cares how war is won. The final results is what counts. If you play 1-3-1, it's up to the other team to figure out your weak spots and beat you. To force their style of play on you. Make your life miserable out there. You are free to choose how you're going to play. Ive always maintained throughout my life that if you want to win, you must become far better than the rest so you have tools to break them. Its not enough to be just as good as the other side. They must fear your abilities when you (in this case) step on the ice. Thats why i always encouraged that mindset. I had to learn it, too,it didnt come just by itself. To be just as good as the top aint enough - if so, youre relying on hope that you will have better day than them. And as we all know, "hope" is very dangerous a word. I think McDavid has those qualities, even as I think he could be better overall player than he is. He can singlehandedly take the game over offensively simply because he's that much better than the the rest. Datsyuk was that kind of a player as well. No defensive system worked against him if he decided to turn it up. But Datsyuk was far more valuable to his team than McDavid is because he was incredibly smart in playing defense, too. Kings play very opportunistic style of hockey because of its personnel. Tight defense and waiting for the opposing team breakdown in positioning. They don't have the star players other teams have, so their system fits the team structure. We have yet to see how successful it will be in playoffs.
@zincon13
@zincon13 Місяць тому
When you meet the "pressure wall" button hook back and pass to a streaking teammate going down the other side of the ice?
@Tyreinn
@Tyreinn 21 день тому
Surprised to see no erik karlsson era ottawa mentioned
@flippy66
@flippy66 27 днів тому
2:33 - There was an entire era called the dead puck era, and teams have played the trap for decades, and this is just another example of a tactical way of controlling the speed of play. And like those tactics, there are ways to beat the 1-3-1. There is no inherent way to play hocky.
@panda4247
@panda4247 3 дні тому
It's a strategy like any other. If more teams played it, mire teams would train against it and counterstrategies would evolve. What do you want them to do? Make a rule "you cannot defend, because it takes away the action from the game?"
@nathanday799
@nathanday799 Місяць тому
Look. We just don’t talk about the 2011 Boston Bruins.
@CunuckHockey
@CunuckHockey Місяць тому
I still can't watch highlights from that series 😭 It'll never not be painful
@SupplementalSense
@SupplementalSense 29 днів тому
I enjoy scoring, but I also enjoy great defense. Call me strange, but I usually cheer for the away team and defensive physicality. I am more entertained by the hype getting shut up.
@ThandrieDavis
@ThandrieDavis 21 день тому
6:18 actual cackle lol
@LightningDogg
@LightningDogg 21 день тому
2011 the Lightning lost game 7 in the ECF 1-0 to the Bruins. They lost the 4 games by a total of 5 points. Looking at Stamkos in the handshake line you can see his bloodied nose. He took a puck in the face and it broke his nose. He immediately went down the tunnel, came back 5 minutes later with a full cage on his helmet and a tampon in his nose. That's when I really knew we had something in this kid. The next year, he scored 60 goals. Also in 2011, the Bolts drafted Nikita Kucherov and Andre Palat. Thankfully, in the 2012-13 lockout season they brought in head coach Jon Cooper!
@Dsimm6.5
@Dsimm6.5 Місяць тому
Teams just have to hammer the dman recovering the puck everytime they are forced to dump it in
@BobbyBoucher228
@BobbyBoucher228 Місяць тому
You completely forgot to mention that the most recent team who won a Stanley Cup that had perfected the modern trap system was the 2019 Blues. They would win any game they had a lead in by clogging the neutral zone and adding to the score with a lethal counter rush game. You could argue that the 2019 Blues had a better version of the modern trap system since they wouldn’t fully sit back and would continually pile on and forecheck even with a lead which would wear teams down as each series went on longer. They were also comfortable defending in their own zone too as they would allow far more shots than they’d take themselves but they’d keep everything to the outside for the most part and block a ton of shots which would often lead to odd man breaks the other way resulting in more goals.
@jeremycoyle2782
@jeremycoyle2782 Місяць тому
Very good analysis of the Blues cup win.
@rickc3291
@rickc3291 Місяць тому
Very good observation and description of the 2019 Blues. They beat the sh!t out of the my Sharks in the Western Conference Finals with that system and pounding the Sharks’ D-men when in the offensive zone.
@jaylenbarnes2.079
@jaylenbarnes2.079 Місяць тому
Amazing Vid
@janbo8331
@janbo8331 Місяць тому
I don't mind the tactic. Teams just need to adapt their breakouts.
@NoBody-qs7op
@NoBody-qs7op 16 днів тому
Great explanation.
@bdcmatt9041
@bdcmatt9041 Місяць тому
Man I remember the fus that caused after the philly vs tampa game. I thought it was hilarious.
@indyrevoly3060
@indyrevoly3060 29 днів тому
Simple albeit not probably bulletproof solution if this actually becomes a problem that counter-strategy doesn't address first: - If the offense has the puck behind their own blue line and all defenders are on the other side of the blue line for 10 seconds, it's a faceoff near the defensive team's net. - After this, if the defense DOES cross the blue line but the offense evades and doesn't get the puck across the blue line within 10 seconds (unless a defender touches the puck during), it's a faceoff near the offensive team's net. This punishes teams for relying on neutral zone trap-styles of play and forces play closer to the net if they try to waste more than a few seconds probing the defense.
@CashMacGregor
@CashMacGregor Місяць тому
this was the NJD when they were winning cups. get the first goal early in the 1st period and win the game 1-0 or 2-0.
@Markymark-gg6qf
@Markymark-gg6qf Місяць тому
Any team with good speed will win against them
@daltondrouillard9308
@daltondrouillard9308 Місяць тому
Right on, except for how the last cup they won, they led the entire league in goals for in the entire season, so basically you are completely wrong.
@Markymark-gg6qf
@Markymark-gg6qf Місяць тому
@@daltondrouillard9308 well no im not wrong😂
@Markymark-gg6qf
@Markymark-gg6qf Місяць тому
@@daltondrouillard9308 any team with speed will beat them and it shows. Oilers shit on them a couple days ago. Dallas beat them twice and they’re a fast team. So ur wrong
@daltondrouillard9308
@daltondrouillard9308 Місяць тому
@@Markymark-gg6qf You literally said they're like NJ when they were winning cups, score then win 1-0 or 2-0. I just told you that NJ had the most goals in the entire league the last cup that won. Can you comprehend that they weren't a low scoring team like you stated?
@donpietruk1517
@donpietruk1517 4 дні тому
It's nothing new. Its the old New Jersey Devil's mid ice trap strategy from the mid-1990s. It's how they held a high flying Detroit Red Wings offense to seven goals in a four game sweep in the 1995 Cup finals.
@PetsoKamagaya
@PetsoKamagaya Місяць тому
They should remove the trapezid and allow goalies to venture out there to retrieve pucks. Hilarity should ensue shortly!
@phiko72
@phiko72 Місяць тому
The Oilers 1-3-1'd themselves to a Stanley Cup final in 2006. It's the strategy of teams without any real fire power or speed. Teams need to combat it by not setting up in their own zone. Don't leave the neutral zone if you can avoid it for a setup
@Mellowyellow8888
@Mellowyellow8888 Місяць тому
i think the question is.. is like what extent is like till the system is broken.. like if i did 0-3-2? or worse someone can just not forecheck.. then you start wondering.. whats the point of playing a game that someone paid to get entertain at.. like people pay to get entertained.. without that professional sports is meaningless.. kinda like i have the puck and i'm just gonna hold it behind the goalie forever.. u see thats kinda extreme case..
@BikJTube
@BikJTube 23 дні тому
@@Mellowyellow8888 At that point it's a chess match.
@illsuive
@illsuive 28 днів тому
Pretty brilliant system when they execute it properly. Kings have the 4th least goals allowed in the league with 4 games remaining. Call it boring but you’re probably just frustrated because that’s what it’s meant to do. Effectively shut down the opposing teams offense.
@BrandonHilikus
@BrandonHilikus Місяць тому
I hate it but if you're winning you're winning
@CunuckHockey
@CunuckHockey Місяць тому
Yep, tough to hate on it when it's successful. But god I would hate it if the 1-3-1 or even a 1-2-2 became common strats used by most teams lmao
@edited1325
@edited1325 Місяць тому
@@CunuckHockeyRuins the game for casual fans
@Hiimpiers
@Hiimpiers Місяць тому
❤❤ll​@@edited1325
@brandonwright7950
@brandonwright7950 Місяць тому
@@edited1325 Casual fanatics... It's an oxymoron
@edited1325
@edited1325 Місяць тому
@@brandonwright7950 who are you even talking about?
@danielking3611
@danielking3611 Місяць тому
Good reasons for changing to 4 skaters instead of 5 or going to international size ice. There are just too many players and not enough ice surface.
@Plaguez21
@Plaguez21 Місяць тому
International ice is where the trap was created. 1-3-1 is a product of Sweden.
@DarthAnimal
@DarthAnimal 4 дні тому
Its always wild to me that the arguments against the trap are always "booo, stop playing defense, let us attack your net"
@stenmoeller
@stenmoeller 16 днів тому
Good video! Of course people are going to whine when hitting a wall they aren't smart enough to penetrate. The only problem is that they themselves haven't found the key. Imho, it seemed that the 1-3-1 system as we saw it in this video often left an open space on the opposite side of where the puck carrier was charging. Plenty of space for a rocket player to receive a pass.
@daviddavidson7747
@daviddavidson7747 21 день тому
1-3-1 is usually countered with a 3-1-1. You nuturlize the solo 1 out in front. They literally will never get the puck, and if they somehow do, it will be a 2v1 every time. No one has a nuts to run a 3-1-1, though, as it's not effective verse a 2 1 2
@shanemckenzie2462
@shanemckenzie2462 23 дні тому
2011 SCF was wild.
@donmaloney6226
@donmaloney6226 11 днів тому
Dave King invented this system with the Canadian 1984 Olympic Team
@fitzgerald1337x
@fitzgerald1337x Місяць тому
the meta of the game will always change-this is merely the current meta. what has happened is history, and what will happen is not yet determined... but what is happening now should be enjoyed, because i don't think hockey has ever been better. basically, hockey is awesome 😎🖤
@user-qk5np4ml3e
@user-qk5np4ml3e 25 днів тому
Used by the Swedish national team as early as 1978 according to Swedish version of Wikipedia.
@bananian
@bananian 10 днів тому
What if both teams play the 131?
@phil7121
@phil7121 24 дні тому
Neutral zone trap systems are one of the main reasons I really believe they need to allow some degree of offsides... Let offensive players get more speed and be more aggressive to beat a trap without worrying about offsides by an inch and negating a goal
@billymays7210
@billymays7210 Місяць тому
9 goals last night… Kings are about 40 goals in the positive… I realize many of these comments were posted before last night, but still… kinda negates a lot of the “points” I’m seeing…
@morefiction3264
@morefiction3264 23 години тому
Seems like, since speech can attack it effectively, the problem with it is it exposes a lack of speed in the league.
@dominickefrim3088
@dominickefrim3088 Місяць тому
As a long time Kings fan i have watched since the start of this build this system applied and refined for a few hears now. I was a huge supporter of the new system from it's introduction into Kings hockey. You did an excellent job of breaking down its fundamentals. 👍
@user-vu4hd8tz2q
@user-vu4hd8tz2q Місяць тому
Great video, crying about how the opponent plays d is the worst thing I ever heard!!! Gimmick systems always have a flaw, just find it and exploit it.
@FatRonaldo.
@FatRonaldo. 10 днів тому
They completely changed the game because the "trap defense" only for another form of trap defense, like it wasn't inevitable.
@jeffreyprevost8180
@jeffreyprevost8180 19 днів тому
Am I missing some inside joke? The Cup finals were not canceled in 2011. Bruins beat Vancouver in 7 games.
@stevenorrish436
@stevenorrish436 Місяць тому
I’m sure our American commissioner will somehow make this strategy illegal so teams in Florida Carolina and Arizona can draw hundreds of fans😂
@Lennaick
@Lennaick 12 днів тому
I got a strategy. Tree teammates skate as fast as possible to one opponent then the one who have the puck pass it to the one of the opposite team guys and... BOOOM a lil' hit. Repeat until they struggle to stay up on ice. Yes that's dirty but it'll be entertaining to watch lol 😂
@jaythompson5102
@jaythompson5102 25 днів тому
Brian Burke mentioned it recently, short passes and structured breakouts kill the 1-3-1 since the three guys can get turned and burned. It is great at defending long passes. I dont like how the Kings are getting flak thoufh because nearly every team engages in similar defensice schemes at points in games.
@TechTokOffical
@TechTokOffical 22 дні тому
The 1-3-1 used to only be effective when u had a goalie who could handle the puck well but now with increase in the game speed, I fear it will become the new normal. NOTHING will be more boring than when 2 teams 1-3-1 each other all game,every game
@FightingForceSoulless
@FightingForceSoulless Місяць тому
I love how everyone complains about the 1-3-1 and they refuse to play against it, when, in reality, there's ten ways to play around it. It just requires you to adapt, instead of dump and chase, pass it back, switch things up. It's not the ultimate cheat code, like some people make it out to be.
@Flokeeylo
@Flokeeylo 21 день тому
Maybe if the opposite winger went up the opposite side a quick pass to the unguarded side would be an easy entrance to the offensive zone
@ronnieturner6820
@ronnieturner6820 25 днів тому
Can’t believe you called it “the Sedins’ play”. As it was around way before then. I invented it in 1983 with Carl. Then shammer and muggsy from the shakers team did it twice but they even came out and said they got it from us
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