How did you see this so differently than Schumacher case?

the stewards do actually base penaly off of pos. they said so in bahrain when max overtook ham. max later said he would have liked to continue but even though max could have gotten a 10 sec gap. but the fia still said no matter the gap they would just increase the penalty.

Please take a look at the pass Raikanen did on Vettel during the spring race in the same corner!

the biggest problem is, if your car is damaged , the red flag will give you time to put the car back together. In the next race, hamilton can still 'casuing collision' and then red flag and then fix the car and then win the championship, this way they don't have to fight the red bull which is less probable of winning.

@chain bear but hamilton owned the corner was more than 80% alongside at corner entry and like the rules state and your previous videos this means hamilton owns the corner and max didn't conceed the line he was wanting to take

Yeah... Get your popcorns ready cause the action is right here

I love how this exact comment is in every comment section of any controversial topic.

I’m certain there will be no racism or jingoism in any reply. On a side note, I also just purchased some oceanfront property in Chad.

This is going to be fun. See children who just watch F1 since 2017 complain and talk like they are F1 expert.

Yea f1 fans are very civil 😂

so true!!

I was on the edge of my seat that entire lap, it was awesome! But the rest of the race was awesome too, I'd say it was the best of the season so far

Racing must always be like this. No one must have a huge gap. Feel sorry for legends like Kimi, Alonso and Vettel. They have no impact while they are brilliant drivers.

They need to change the cars for better racing clearly because the problem with cars following each other has just worsened. The cut in downforce has made it more difficult for drivers to follow and for wheel to wheel racing to occur.

100 percent true

I think Ericsson hit him

If mazepin doesn't get the merc seat I'll cry

so Vettel must be DSQd

@@whohouuu and 10 second penalty too Esty besty

Imagine of it will be like Germany 2018.

Nope

@@NeelkanthEarthmovers Hopefully not. Germany 2019 was all Vettel so it's easy to digest why he lost the WDC. Plus, Hamilton drove amazingly well from 14th to 1st. This is the exact opposite. This incident is more Hamilton's fault. And while he drove well, it's an absolute far cry from his 2018 Germany performance. If he wins by a few points, some people will ask questions if he purely won on merit. I hope they keep it clean for the rest of the season to avoid that.

@@NeelkanthEarthmovers Adelaide '94 is more comparable imo

…. By less that 25 points. More than that and It will be a long forgotten foot note. Do I think that’s likely? No, the cars are too evenly matched, which is good for us!

Glad it wasn't just me

Why are people asking, "Who is to blame?" almost as if Lewis can't be wrong?

@@JoDON111 So does Chain Bear and the FIA and most drivers, they call it a racing incident with Hamilton *predominantly* at fault and I think that's the best take on it but.. There's another take that it can't be a racing incident because Hamilton was at fault.. This means that it can only be a racing incident if there's no scale of fault or no one is to blame. I don't understand that take so I can't agree or disagree agree with it. Still, I'd like to know how that logic can be explained.

@@miltonflusk. Maybe because they don't understand the situation fully, if you pump the brakes a bit maybe you'd realise that's a plausibility.

Palmer kinda had the same thoughts

NGL had me in the first half

Ahem. Think you'll find it was Valterris fault

Anyone with the right mind knows it's Ericsson's fault

Rubbish! It was clearly Maldonado's fault, again!

Why would you ever think Ericsson?! This was clearly Mazespins fault.

Lmao I wouldn’t call it a catastrophic pit stop lmao. He lost one position because of it, possibly not even that. Bottas’ pit stop in Monaco is a catastrophic stop.

Sainz: am I a joke to you?

Poor guy..

@@yvltc I've become desensitized (De-Sainz-itized?) to bad pitstops for Carlos.

He wouldn't have come 3rd anyway.

Because you’re not very bright

I suppose it’s about how easy it is to not cross the pit entry line. That is a safety regulation that to be honest, there is no real excuse for breaking 99% of the time. The contact is part sporting and part safety but it’s complicated by wheel to wheel racing being very difficult to judge and each driver is making instantaneous judgements and split second decisions. One is a very simple situation and the other is very complex. It’s easy to make a clear and fair judgement on something like speeding in the pit lane, making a false start or crossing the white line. Determining what is fair and who is at fault and how serious an incident is is much harder. So, penalties for simple breaches can be harsher and they are still fair because it is a black and white kind of call.

@@joshuaharper4340 your reply sounds like your a 5 yead old. Try adding something to the conversation of worth instead of insulting someone. He asked a question and was hoping ti get an answer which you odviously don't have so instead you insult him. He showed more intelligence than you be asking a legitimate question . You showed 0 intelligence with your answer.

@@joshuaharper4340 Please do reflect on how many grid lost bottas have after today's penalty for the next race. I guess reflecting on your comment and seeing how dangerous that crash comparing to bottas' crash was, you can see the penalty needs to be taken into account better in the future. I do not blame hamiltion it the FIA I am truly pissed off. This was a crash that maybe making verstappen his last race due to the crash. Luckly he was safe. But the penalty is basically saying you got admitted killing but only getting a month of prison time. Totally Insane, sad for me seeing this happen as how much I love mercedes.

@@kamajayasantano2022 that's an utterly bizarre take on it and one without an ounce of logic in

Also the youngest driver to do so! Edit: And the oldest!

Is he? I thought there were times when points were handed out for qualifying on pole, has an incident like this never happened during that period? I could be mistaken of course, but it would definitely be a fun fact :D

@@FengshenNL f1 never awarded points on quali

@@FengshenNL as far as I know, no. I think they did have the fastest lap point in the race in the 50s but because it was measured on someone's watch it lead to a very messy incident one time where 7 drivers all set the same lap time to 1 second meaning the 7 drivers got 1/7th of a point each. I know...

@@Aiakooo in a bizarre coincidence, max is also the exact average age of every driver who has ever scored points without completing a lap of the GP

Fax

Well, to be fair, the Stewards came to exactly the same conclusion and they're probably the most important of all. The rest is all hype, especially from Horner and his gang.

Says everyone on every video analyzing this lol

yeah, i also agree with Jolyon palmer analysis

@@pjay3028 Don't forget all the Hamilton fans, and Verstappen haters that claim Verstappen intentionally turned into Hamilton - which this video debunks.

Well, its mostly the Verstappen fans that are p*ssed about this racing incident, more than anyone else. They need to grow up tbh.

@@xAmiin And this comment paves the way forward

@UCyapQNtwPIo0tUj-wOniMBw and the Hamilton fanboys who think Hamilton did nothing wrong at all and that everyone who says anything else is an idiot and has no idea about F1. Seen a lot of those too. Extreme fanboys like that are just so damn annoying. No matter what topic, you'll always get so many of these morons.

did The Race get more dislikes now?

Max fans blame Lewis fans, Lewis fans tell Max fans to stop crying because Lewis' a saint. Oh you two shut up!

My guess is two more between Hamilton and Verstappen. It's game on, now both of them are going to get really chippy with one another and as a neutral I love it

F1 really got exciting after this incident because: 1) the gap in points between Max and Lewis became minimal; 2) they both got hungry to win the WC. I feel like this season gonna be classic like from the days of Senna vs. Prost.

How more many races are there?

@@JamaicanMeCrazy This was race 10, so 12-13 more to go.

Hopefully not even one more. We want races, not crashes.

I hope Stuart got a bumper deal for this one.

Pretty disappointing to see him advertise a for profit "charity", to be honest. Omaze is trash.

@@grmasdfII agree, but at least their giving *some* of the profits to charity.

@@ericvandereems6604 yeah. like 1.5% of the donated amount lol. Omaze makes more than what's given to the charity.

@@killerhurtalot Again I don't think what they do is right, but at least a little bit does actually go to charity. If he had been sponsored by Raid shadow legends or something none of it would go to charity

He's British. What do you expect?

Me too. I don't have an opinion on the racing events, before watching Chain Bear or Driver 61

@victor5949 Yeah brittish are known that 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

True, but keep in mind that drivers build their entire career on making quick decisions. For us a fraction of a second is nothing, for them it's enough time to react in most situations.

so true!

Another accented (British biased analysis). I guess this is what the FIA wants F1 to become. Why race if you can punt your rival?

@@joeprice8163 Come on, if Lewis deliberately crashed into Max, he risked putting himself out of the race too. He was very fortunate that there was a red flag to remove that cracked nut. No human can predict such a high speed collision and plan to take out his rival with such perfection without risking himself. It all happened too quick. Hamilton was indeed at more fault, hence he was given the penalty for his role. Clearly, both of them were responsible, both of them could do something to avoid collision. Max turned knowing Lewis was there, hoping Lewis would back out, Lewis did not back out hoping Max to give him more space. It all happened too quick and was inevitable.

Thank you Jamie’s brother

It's actually a bit deceptive. If you look at Max's onboard there's no way his trajectory was leaving Lewis that much space at the apex. His car was aiming for the inside line. This is the problem with these analysis. All the lines they draw just reinforce their position. If people actually saw what I think is the real trajectory and see how much Max just chopped down on Lewis they would have a different opinion.

@@John-ok8ts I also don't think the diagrams are that accurate. I do probably blame Lewis more, just as Chain Bear does, but I think he did get fully alongside (never ahead but alongside), and when watching it looked to me as though the collision didn't take place quite as early in the corner and shown in this video. I don't think Lewis intentionally drove into Max, and I don't think Max intentionally turned in on Lewis, but I don't think either were going to back down and this was almost inevitable. As I've said elsewhere the smart move for Mac would have been to go wider and slower, and initiate contact between the two of them as they got the outside kerb, that way the probable outcone world have been Lewis nudging Max off the track as Lando and Checo did in Austria and thus incurring a 5s penalty and maybe having to give the place back. It wouldn't have ended his race and he'd be much further ahead in the standings. But he's not that sort of driver and this kind of incident was always going to happen.

crazy good

Yeah, it really made it so easier to follow.

What are you talking about ? Every media outlet has called it a racing incident, but then max’s fans are calling it ‘English bias’- how is this any different, seeing as he’s also calling it a racing incident ?

@@deezelkane did you watch CB's video on the Vettel Canada 2019 incident? If you had, you'd see he doesn't have 'English bias'

@@adamdickinson2894 yes, but this video says that it is a Racing incident, which is what most media have been saying.. so now that chain bear has spoken, it’s officially a racing incident ??

Actually I have seen plenty of outlets saying HAM was at fault, VER was at fault (maybe a little harder to find, at least for me) or indeed somewhere in between. While we don’t know for sure if this review is unbiased (still have not found a way to look in CB’s head..), I do think this video has a level headed and nuanced approach which takes most facts into consideration. Maybe that is what sls 12lll meant? To your question how this is any different from other reviews. The video poses the opinion it’s a racing incident with slightly more of the blame on HAM for reasons. At the same time explaining what VER could have done differently. Some outlets have gone out of their way to excuse one drivers behaviour and/or ignored key facts.

@@roeldevries5411 I’m a Hamilton fan hands down, and even I know the incident was more Hamilton’s fault, but still a racing incident. You need to factor in that max has never done anything to yield in a racing situation, so it’s hard for people to give max a pass here. He needs to learn that people will eventually bite back. Horner praised max for his aggressiveness in Spain, but he’s whimpering like a wounded puppy now that Hamilton has done the same

-Chain- bear with me.

@@curtislevey7639 What about _belt_ bear ?

@@mro9466 couldn't help but sink my *claws* into a good pun

Badum tum tsss

I dont know youre an f1 fan. Wow.

I like it when my different UKposts subscriptions watch each other.

It certainly has been a very loud few days on social media, not helped by some team bosses getting quite hyperbolic. I'm hoping this season doesn't turn sour, naively perhaps

@@chainbear I think it's exactly what Hornerwas always going to say as soon as Sky gave him the mic, he's right to feel aggrieved and it's fairly regular behaviour for team principles, it was irresponsible of Sky to give him the mic but drama is part of the F1 product now so Sky caved.

I hope that Max Verstappen loses the drivers championship thanks to this race so that we see Marko and Horner's face.

Agree 100%. It’s the clearest and fairest explanation I’ve seen so far. And shows why Lewis’s line was so bad and a no win situation for either of them. If this was a slower corner, then both drivers likely could of driven out of this without contact but this corner is taken at full throttle at 180 mph. That’s almost 300kmh. The fastest I’ve driven is 260 kmh and that was in a straight line. The thought of going around a corner at that speed, with someone so close to me is intimidating as heck. It just seems like it’s not the place to be making an aggressive challenge. People need to remember how fast these vehicles are moving. The crash resulted in a 51G impact which is horrific. Your internal organs can separate from their attachments under those loads. It’s a very serious thing with possibly life altering consequences. Max would have had no choice but to drive off of the track at 180 mph to avoid contact given Lewis’s line, whether he lifted or not. Drive hard and challenge ... sure. Just not on this corner at this speed.

I don't because it just adds another subjective decision to the criteria. Besides, if there was no red flag Mercedes would have struggled to finish the race let alone get a podium place.

@@Hooderaw if they have it scaled and agreed upon before the season starts there is no gray area. 5s for push out on slower corners and 10s stop and go for sending off on full speed corners

Imagine if corners had a multiplier effect. So a standard corner in this situation would be a ten second penalty, a low stakes corner like Austria T4 would be 0.5x so 5 seconds, and a high stakes corner like Copse would be x2 for 20 seconds? Obviously this would be complicated but maybe something like that

I think it sounds like a good idea but the problem is the unintended consequences - Copse would probably be quite low-risk given the wide track, large amount of gravel runoff, and safety barriers (which will probably be extended for future races). Even after such a big shunt, Max came away relatively unscathed - so while it might make people feel better this weekend, it would end wheel-to-wheel racing in some of the most exciting places (e.g. Eau Rouge/Radillon would have to be high-risk) and make street circuits even more of a procession (due to lack of runoff areas).

@@fighterx4133 sure, let us put scaled penalty quantifyer's on each corner so driver's can decide not to pass instead of racing especially when the 2022 cars are designed to follow closely in the tow with less effect on the down force. We want to see a race not a train lap after lap.

I'm not so sure. I understand where he's coming from and I wouldn't be mad if it did come into force but It effectively means some corners are worth more than others. In the case of copse, I think it's actually one of the best places on the track to make an overtake and you look like an absolute hero if you pull it off. (I am not buying Horner's thing about you don't make a move at copse) But if the driver knows that making a move there could result in a bigger penalty, then they won't risk it. Yes we have DRS but I personally want to see overtakes that make my jaw drop. And if you take this to the extreme it means that drivers may only risk moves on that DRS straight followed potentially by not risking overtaking at all. I know that this would never happen but I'm not sure this is the absolute best solution.

@@joeogle7729 Drivers would still try to overtake there, just keeping in mind that trying something dangerous will be penalised harshly. Clean overtake or no overtake

He moved under braking and tapped max. I think it should have been a 10s + 10s for both actions. Just a racing incident. But what I didn't like are the fans who were cheering at the incident like that

@@joeogle7729 You're misrepresenting what Horner said. He said you never stick a front wheel on the inside at Copse, not you don't make a move.

@@dominic.m.i. They weren’t cheering it. They cheered Lewis getting ahead, and immediately stopped when Max ended up in the wall.

Ikr. A nice change from the comment section on instagram lol

I'm here. I'm the raging kid.

some channels have community; others are just a venue

Set a good tone, and people stick to it.

Raging kids either don't bother with this channel (which is good for us tbh) Or this channel changes the view of the raging kid and coverts him into a rational kid(which is great)

Difficult to argue that F1 has consistently done that, seeing as Grosjean's 2012 incident as Spa was really rather minor in and off itself, but he got hammered with a straight race ban because of the aftermath. In recent times though, it definitely seems as though they have toned that down significantly, and in my opinion gone too far with it. I think consequences should never matter in the decision whether a driver was guilty of a rules breach or not, but they absolutely should matter in the severity of the penalty given.

The aftermath should play a small part. It shouldn't be everything, but we need to understand that the same action under different circumstances can lead to wildly different consequences. If a driver taps another car in a slow corner(and sends the other car offtrack) and the victim car just drives through the grass a little before returning, sure give the offender a small penalty. But if the same exact action is done in a fast corner and the victim car was sent crashing into a wall at high speeds, the small penalty from before doesn't make sense.

@@junsengjsSo are suggesting that if the consequences of this collision had been, say, both cars with wheel damage allowing Charles LeClerk to pass them both, but otherwise no real damage, then the penalty should have been different? Surely the penalty should be solely for the incident, irrespective of the outcome?

That's a nice take to it, very smart.....we'll have a Piquet Singapore situation at each race then

@@saxon-mt5by There is something to be said for just punishing the mistake on it's severity itself, yes! But outcomes can be wildly different, and tracks and corners are as well. The contact between Lewis and Max was minimal. In the Monaco hairpin this would be nothing to talk about, at Copse it was crazy dangerous.

Yeah, me too. I still very much disagree with this being anywhere near a racing incident, but as Stuart says, that's subjective and depends on how broadly or narrowly you want to define the term 'racing incident'. In general I've hated the "who was at fault" videos about this crash from other creators, as this is one of the most one-sided incidents we've seen in recent F1 history, but Stuart does what he does best and actually answers that question, rather than having it there merely as a way to appease Hamilton fans who wish to deny he was to blame when he most definitely was.

This one and driver61 for me.

@@rjfaber1991 Dont think this was as clearly one sided as you say. Though it was mostly Hamilton’s fault undoubtedly, it’s hard to say it is one of the most one sided in recent history when realistically he is obviously trying to overtake him and is just slightly negligent. I don’t think it’s just Lewis fans who can see this angle. And moreover, the penalty was fair - its impossible to retrospectively say in hindsight how little it punished him

@@suckieduckie Driver 61 smashes it - the video needs more recognition

@@nezlo9612 I used to love him, but now it seems as if he's just saying his opinion rather than stating facts.

comments tend to reflect the content of the video. This was a calm and balanced video and the comments seem to be reflecting that.

@@jsnsk101 you are right, man it is a calm video, which results in calm comments

Leclerc ended up outside of the track because of that though

It was actually Lewis who took another line much closer to the apex of the corner. Leclerc left less room for Hamilton then Max did...

Hamilton backed out for Norris and Leclerc. Every other lap Hamilton was 3 meters more to the right, in years before and years after. Hamilton deliberately crashed into Verstappen almost killing him. 🤮

You’re right. Hamilton and Max were racing each other super hard that season, and that was their attitude. They give more space to people who are smaller threats

As soon as it happened I thought "that's going to make a good Chain Bear video" ☺

@@ApothecaryTerry I knew you was going to be one, took him longer than the others but it's clear that he did the research, none of the other guys mentioned that max made the turn in twice for example , I think this fact made the penalty Hamilton received lesser then it coulda been, I still see it as a racing incident but I put it as Hamilton more at fault, The important thing is max is ok

exaclyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Hopefully he doesn’t get a penalty. Since he DNF’d they can change the gearbox with no penalty and Honda thinks they can salvage this engine. I am loving watching them go wheel to wheel each race so it would be a shame if one of them had to start from the back.

Can you not?

@@colemadonna6284 They can use 3 PUs a year, so chances are they'll put in the 3rd one and in Spa or Monza put in a 4th and take a penalty there. The energy store has a G-load limit and it was exceeded in the crash. That's likely gone so he'll need a 3rd energy store to complete the season which will be a penalty. The turbo might have been damaged too with the g-force at full rpm.

@@Huberman1234 I wonder if nothing similar happened on Bottas car on Imola

@@Huberman1234 No allowances in the rules for an engine being written off in such a large shunt?

Literally every analyses I've seen, is the same thing. Both could've given each other more space. But if you have to blame someone, it's Hamilton.

@@MossPalone exactly. Hamilton caused it, but is not fully at fault. Whether you want to consider it a racing incident or not is pretty much down to personal opinion about what fault division warrants calling it a racing incident

Yup no one did the penalty analysis but he did and FIA's decision is the right.

@@a7G-82r Hamilton should not have been there, he should have been at the apex. Just a simple fault that can happen... ...The problem is Hamilton not admitting that he is wrong this time.

@@PieterPatrick I agree. Hamilton is definitely predominantly at fault and therefore in a perfectly fair world should therefore get the predominant punishment (Although luck can make a lot of things unfair). Considering verstappen was punished by the crash itself to DNF (out of hands of the stewards though obviously), but considering the circumstances I think hamilton should at least have been given a drive through penalty. The main problem lies with the types of punishments available imo, a 10s time penalty means much less to a merc than to a midfield car for example. It's just (another) example of hamilton's godlike luck.

True but also this adds to the narrative. It makes future close racing behind them even more loaded with tension. Imagine a last round decider and they’re duking it out like this! It’s incredible actually. I really hope next year the new cars don’t change the landscape too much, I want to see these amazing drivers fighting for years to come as close as this.

True! Would have been a green race.

True I think if they survived there is a higher chance Max winning. But will be very close. Just like French GP

@@DavidHunter Well yes, but I hate everyone who disagrees with me now.

Then lap 1 crashes are what your gunna get

Nah.

What Max did, was respecting peer racers on track to avoid bumping into them. On the contrary, Lewis did the opposite, he didn't slow down, despite being behind and on the wrong line going in the turn, which is a F1 rule, clear and simple. This incident clearly showed the bastard mindset of Lewis and to drop deep down to earn crucial points in the championship, consequently, leading Max a DNF, which the Mercedes crew categorically said in there pre-race statement.

@@adityaanand1337 Hamilton is significantly alongside Max at corner entry and if you actually watch the onboard you have hear Hamilton decelerate, I have no clue how you've come to those conclusions

@@danielo7985 Well he didn't watched the video probably. They making new rules for defending max it's interesting.

@@adityaanand1337 "What Max did, was respecting peer racers on track to avoid bumping into them." When has Max EVER done this?

I don’t think the penalties are getting softer I think the driving is getting cleaner

This would be like giving a red card in football for a minor foul

Couldn't agree more.

But also keep in mind that crossing a white line (Tsunoda) is easier to not violate. So maybe violating a rule like that should be punished hard. Just a thought, what do you think?

While I don't disagree with the sentiment (safety first) you do risk turning a series where it is already difficult to overtake because of the nature of the cars into one where it is almost impossible because of the added risk of penalties. Also while I don't want to belittle the risks involved it has to be noted that aside from 2 freak accidents there haven't been many injuries as the results of crashes (even less if purely looking at driver/driver incidents rather than mechanical failure or driver error) in the last 20yrs so discouraging drivers from taking risks might seem counterproductive to the sport, the cars and circuits are very well designed to mitigate the risk of accidents when they do happen. (Please don't take this as "they knew the risks when they became racing drivers" viewpoint or a desire to return to the live-fast-die-young attitude of the pre 70's. I don't believe there should be excess risk involved and I have no desire to see anyone get hurt but we must accept an inherent level of risk involved in all motorsport and ythis is part of its appeal. I am proud of all those who have made the sport as safe as it is today through sacrifice, campaigning, science and technology.)

Mercedes and Lewis were feeling the pressure due to how many point Max was ahead by Lewis said so before the race, from what I've seen if Lewis broke sooner and held his line he wouldn't have hit Max, Max held his line the whole time Lewis broke his line and went left a little hit Max's back tire and that's what caused the accident, I know Toto Mercedes and Lewis tried to argue that Max didn't give him enough space based on this and the footage I've seen it was more the fact Lewis had too much speed going into the corner and had to widen his turn and it was almost like he didn't know how close Max was and hit him.

Hamilton backed out for Norris and Leclerc. Every other lap Hamilton was 3 meters more to the right, in years before and years after. Hamilton deliberately crashed into Verstappen almost killing him. 🤮Hamilton is the dirtiest driver out there.

@@pmvdmeulen Oh come on, this is so painfully ignorant. No driver would ever intentionally crash into someone at that kind of speed - especially after the heart-breaking incidents we have seen in recent years. I agree it is mainly Lewis' fault, but I'd say it was 65% Lewis, 35% Max to blame. I don't think the move was 'cheap', he genuinely had a lot of momentum and couldn't just back out after being alongside.

@McCormick0166 you're probably english... the rest of the world knows it was 100% Hamilton's "fault". Very strange that his line in every other lap on Silverstone ever was far far more to the right.

@@pmvdmeulen I am English and of course I have my biases. But I also know how to put those biases aside. There's absolutely no way that was '100% Hamilton's fault' - when Max turned in so sharply (as seen in his onboard). I totally agree that the incident was mainly Lewis' fault and the penalty was deserved, since he missed the apex. But, Max has a tendancy to not leave a lot of space, and he could have been a bit more generous. I'm guessing you also think Monza T1 is Lewis' fault...

Obv, it wasn't as heinous as Stuart said

The issue imo is that Copse is a late apex corner (not the green paint, the 2nd Red bump on the inside of the black and white kerbing is the Apex). From what I see, Hamilton could've made the actual Apex but as Max isnt expecting Lewis to contest the corner he doesnt give him enough room on corner entry initially (thus you see him turn out of the corner [straighten up his wheel]). The only way an accident is avoided is if Hamilton HUGS the inside of the corner(not simply hit the Apex, I mean hug it throughout entry to Apex) and doesnt understeer into Max's path but he has taken too much speed to do that. He's expected Max to back out too I put more blame on Lewis because he initiates contact but I would call it a racing "Inshident" like Leclerc Alonso etc Edit: I think I disagree with myself here (that being I think it's a Hamilton penalty instead of just a racing incident) my new thoughts are below

@@danielo7985 I agree and this is part of the reason I say 50:50. Also I almost put more blame on verstappen given how he has driven this year. They would have already crashed like 5x if Hamilton wasn’t anticipating verstappens blind aggression and taking steps to avoid contact. Max has had this coming for a long time. If you never ever give up the racing line no matter what the circumstance then how can someone pass you without this happening.

I agree. The angle and line which Verstappen took after the adjustment would have given Hamilton room on the inside of the corner and afterwards if Hamilton had actually made the apex. This is ultimately where I put the blame IMO. The inside car understeered into the other and caused the collision despite the other giving the racing room on their inside.

This is pure bollocks.

If you really want to look into a bear pit, go to the Autosport Forum; old-school tantrums and bitching between fans of Lewis and Max. At best, 0.005% civil.

That's because there is way less British bias in the analysis. If I see Buxton and his sidekick's HAM apologetics in their so-called "analysis", I have to barf spontaneously...

Look at Reddit: they technically are civil cause they don't argue much more, but they are split in 2 reddit communities: r/Lewis Hamilton which is completely biased towards ham and r/ formuladank, which should be neutral but are max biased... The two communities just throw shit at each other. Overall rating: 0.1/10

I should unsubscribes the rest and keep chainbear channel only.. I tot all fans in F1 is toxic.. until now..

@@edbackhuis5306 driver 61 had almost identical analysis with chainbear.. but those max fans still think he is British therefore side ham.. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I don’t get it then..

That's why a 10 sec penalty is such a joke. It just tells the drivers of you are desperate for points just put your rival in the hospital.

Yeah but chances are if you are in this situation, your race is also usually over to. It really isn't the problem people think it is.

I'm afraid this might actually happen, for 2 penalty points, each has 5 races to understeer into the rival and basically get a free win, this season could become really dangerous

@@mralireza931 I've seen so many people like you parroting Horner's line about sending max to hospital (he wasn't injured btw, it was a precautionary check) Shows how effective Horner is at manipulating the narrative

@@mralireza931 What kind of shitty take is that? Aggressive driving is now labelled as 'putting your rival in hospital' because another driver had to go to the hospital for a routine checkup after a crash? The 10-second penalty was fair and justified, it was a racing incident, but Hamilton is mostly to blame for it. Stop spouting bullshit over the internet you look stupid.

20 or 15 years ago it would have been a racing incident !

But with data we see what looks like Hamilton intentionally wrecked Verstappen potentially killing him

That one should have been a penalty for Verstappen imo, quite clearly. The driver overtaking has the responsibility not to make contact, given he does not get cut off.

that's a yikes from me my man

You're comparing two incidents that have nothing in common. Just be thankful Lewis's desperate driving didn't cost him or anyone else physical injuries.

Exactly. People are allowing the speed and outcome to effect their opinions. Unless the idea of changing the severity of the penailties based on the corner comes into effect they have to be seen as very similar incidents.

​@@mralireza931 Basically every current driver, every team manager (Except Red Bull & Alpha Tauri) have said that it was just hard racing where neither driver yielded, a few put more blame on Hamilton than Verstappen but one thing they all agreed on is that it was a racing incident. Explain how they do not have anything in common. 1. Driver attempting the overtake decided to try on the inside of a corner 2. Driver attempting the overtake went in too hot 3. Driver attempting the overtake missed the apex of the corner 4. Driver attempting the overtake made contact with the other driver 5. Driver attempting the overtake succeeded in gaining a position 6. Driver attempting the overtake ultimately forced the other driver wide/off the track Differences: 1. Hamilton didn't go flying off into the wall. 2. Hamilton didn't have to retire from the race. 3. The speed was slower. 4. There was arguably a lot more intent with the Barcelona incident. Both incidents are equally as bad as each other, you don't (shouldn't) penalize based on the outcome of an incident rather you penalize on the incident itself! If Hamilton had gone off into the wall or had a tyre/suspension failure in Barcelona then I can guarantee Verstappen would have received the same sort of penalty. Likewise if Verstappen had just ran a tiny bit wide and came back on behind/beside Hamilton in Copse I highly doubt any penalty would have been applied. It was wrong to penalize Hamilton this weekend, especially when no penalty was applied to Verstappen in Barcelona. Both incidents are were racing incidents and hard racing so in both cases neither driver deserved a penalty in my opinion.

You ever watch “The Race”. They have good analysis too.

@@jbarber1016 whatt??? Have you seen their driver ratings? The race is dogshit

I found Driver 61 did some good analysis from a driver's pov

@@jbarber1016 lol, everyone knows that The Race is trash. Their "analysis" was a joke, lol.

There's been a fair few neutral looks by now that have been discarded by the frothing legions as biased. For example, check out Palmer's analysis on the F1 channel.

Matching the risk??? Had Verstappen hit the wall that hard in the 80s cars, he'd have died or been maimed. Hell, without the halo he might have got a head or neck injury from the tire barrier. Disturbing that the modern barrier material doesn't extend far enough to catch this crash.

@@mikewagenbach1787 certainly seems like with barrier safety the FIA are more reactive than proactive in certain areas. Grosjean’s crash last year shows how well certain things work but others need massive improvement. Pretty sure Kyvat crashed at the first Silverstone GP last year then an extension was added to the kerb in the same area too. Wrt the barrier at Copse, maybe this is further evidence that points to Lewis being “at fault” than “predominately at fault”. With the size of the cars now, that’s a square peg into a round hole trying to make that manoeuvre there causing Max to take a trajectory no one had predicted. Will be interesting to see how this weekend plays out.

Other rules that should change are under red flag repairs can only be done in the pit lane meaning when the race resumes you have to start from the pit lane. You would think twice if a risky move puts you back and you have to drive through the field. 10 sec penalty at your pit stop is weak and should be enforced within 3 laps instead. Why let it all space out so there is no impact? May as well skip it all together then. Lastly I know it is a dollars and cents thing and they are just being cheap but why don't they bring back the backup cars? Used to love the aggressive first lap moves that lead to crashes followed by everyone running for their backup cars while the track is cleared. (Yes Max fans I know it would not help when he was in no shape to run for the backup car but in plenty of other races it would make a difference)

@@Jack-up2cf I dunno about the 10 sec thing, I mean, it's basically adding 10 seconds to your time when they do it post-race, so they shouldn't force them to also take another pitstop. Otherwise it just becomes a 10 second stop-and-go penalty

@@ruthswann88 then it should just be stop and go :)

@@ruthswann88 another??it was his planned stop

@@Jack-up2cf The only sense I hear backup cars used is where Nascar teams bring one to a track in case of practice going badly. If they wreck in the race, they wreck and can't get the spare car out of the hauler. Still, yeah, given that they'd have to effectively double some of their costs, I don't see the backup car idea going too far.

it'd be a real shame

Did the vid do that?

there are no bias in the video tho

Well.. XD

@@RandomVideos-re9ux that's why I loved it and every video from him

Exactly. Leaving a space is the only thing the defending driver is obliged to do; it's on the attacking driver to prevent a crash.

Verstappen expected Hamilton to brake hard and give space when he(max) turned his steering wheel inside, just like at Spain earlier this year. But Hamilton did not budge this time. And Hamilton expected max not to turn into him any further cuz why would anyone in their right mind turn into the path of another car? But max did it anyways and tasted the result of that.

@@rjfaber1991 I think in the rulebook, there is a rule stating that as long as the atking driver is substantially alongside( defined as more than half a car length next to the defending car) , he will have the right to his path. If you observe closely, till after the entry to the turn at copse, lewis front wing was next to max's front wheel, which satisfys the rule book. Based on that, lewis did nothing wrong , which is why lewis was penalized on a different rule instead.

@@SongShiyu Except, if you let the video play through, you'll find that as soon as they cleared the braking point and headed for the apex, Lewis was no longer significantly alongside and should have yielded the corner. Also, Lewis was literally penalized for _not_ avoiding contact.

@@SongShiyu The rule book doesn't say that, and for a pretty obvious reason; allowing the attacking driver their line as long as they are significantly alongside means that either a) the defending driver has to yield at the slightest hint that their line and that of the attacking driver might cross, thus making overtaking more a matter of putting your car in an unnatural and potentially dangerous position than about actually getting past, or b) both have an equal right to their line, in which case there will be a crash every time those lines happen to cross. The 'significantly alongside' has to do with leaving space, which Verstappen was obliged to do with Hamilton significantly alongside him. However, that is also exactly what Verstappen did; in fact he gave Hamilton about twice as much space as he actually had to.

Reality is you'll probably fail to take him out the race, get a 5-10s penalty and lose your front wing (with no red flag to fix it)... those are consequences.

@@alan_davis Hamilton thaught us how. Drive side by side, slow down so that the back of your fronttire hits the front of the reartires, this is almost a guranteed spin for the car in front, as seen three times already by hamilton in under two years. That is the reality we have.

xKayo Yeah, just be that precise when you don’t know how the other driver will react, and you have to decide all that in the time it took me to write the first word of this comment...

@@rickhaavisto9023 3 out of 3 times it worked, and if it is really so difficult like you pointed out, then hamilton is either extremely lucky besides his general luck or he is just a very precise driver, something you expect from a 7x WDC or not?

It is. If Valtteri had more pace he could help Hamilton kill Verstappen. Lewis had to do it alone because his teammate wasn't there and he didn't deliver - Toto

Also Mercedes probably: I think Ericsson hit us.

@@whatislife43 yes I heard Ericsson was there in person & watching from the stands, he waved to hamilton making him crash into verstappen!

Concidering Hamilton missed the apex by a good 3/4 of a car width because of front end wash out his imputs would be dealing with that. There is no way he could have turned in tighteras he would have lost the car. Hamilton just missed the corner period and was carrying to much speed , his only option was to hit Max and pray he could keep it on the track. Max gave Hamilton the apex by 1 and 3/4 car widths which was plenty of space. Max was an innocent bystander to Hamilton's colossal error and payed for it. Maxes sterring imput was for one purpose and one purpose only, to make more room for Hamilton by missing the apex of the corner even more it was not a turn in on Hamilton like some leople suggest. The contact was no by Max turning in but by Hamilton's front end giving up and washing out. Hamilton was just going to fast. This was pure desperation on Hamilton's part as he knew that if Max got through the corner in the lead it was all iver barring an unforseen breakdown or mistake by Max. The fact that Hamilton got a slap on the wrist will only give Hamilton more license to try this type of crap.

@@thearsenalmisfit2414 Agreed. Well said. Very desperate move from a 7 WDC

@@thearsenalmisfit2414 very well said my friend. Hits the nail on the head.

That probably would have made Hamilton look bad. And with some other choice language in the video I think he was trying to avoid that.

Hamilton never unwound the steering wheel during the turn. There wasn’t much to analyze

@Lafayette Ron Hubbard.

thats what the steward concluded. and then the opposite for monza where it was 60/40 max

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