Max vs Lewis: Who's at Fault? | The F1 Breakdown | Italian Grand Prix

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The Italian Grand Prix was an incredible race! But the Max vs Lewis crash was a contentious moment that needs breaking down. So let's go over it, who's fault was it?
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@Driver61
@Driver61 2 роки тому
What do you think? Would love a discussion about this, just keep it nice! Check our Fuel For Fans here: bit.ly/DR61XFFF4 Do subscribe! We are going to be releasing many more of these breakdowns in the near future!
@KimiButNoDrink
@KimiButNoDrink 2 роки тому
In my opinion it's just a racing incident - both at fault where Lewis didn't leave-a the space ALL THE TIME YOU HAVE TO LEAVE-A THE SPACE but at the same time Max being to aggressive instead of taking the slip path but the FIA stewards have been acting like Drive to Survive directors this whole season. I blame the majority of the incident on that stupid kerb though because that basically catapulted Max into space.
@nastystew6942
@nastystew6942 2 роки тому
Lewis has been too patient with Max for years! Now Lewis uses his tactics against him and Lewis is the villan?
@huynguyen-gl4sn
@huynguyen-gl4sn 2 роки тому
Had the sausage kerb not been there, there wouldn't have been a crash, would it ? A racing incident for me.
@andrefilipe957
@andrefilipe957 2 роки тому
If there is this driver agreement and everyone knows that his is how you race hard, then why are the rules so random and these penalties keep geting thrown arround for incidents that, as you said and I agree, are just how racing works? I think the FIA need to get their rules clearer. You eithe must leave a space al arround the corner and it is a penalty for Hamilton, or you are just suposed to yield if you get squeezed and then its Max's fault. They have to pick 1.
@FrankyPi
@FrankyPi 2 роки тому
@@nastystew6942 Pretty sure he said it's a racing incident. Lewis was half assing his aggressiveness which made Max think he could've passed through that space. You either push off the other driver to the runoff or leave him space, lewis did something in between that, which was his point in the video.
@SarahConnor618
@SarahConnor618 2 роки тому
I'm a Grosjean fan, so I rate this crash a 7 out of 10 .
@metallicbanana2914
@metallicbanana2914 2 роки тому
I'm a Maldonado fan and I rate the crash as 'average Tuesday in Asda car park'
@veselidiktator9789
@veselidiktator9789 2 роки тому
I'm Rally, Nascar and Rallycross fan, so what crash?
@g.g.baxter4868
@g.g.baxter4868 2 роки тому
It was clear to me that Ericsson took them both out
@classicpagoda
@classicpagoda 2 роки тому
:D:D:D totally agree!
@EffingtonCouldBe
@EffingtonCouldBe 2 роки тому
Every time they fight - F1 ratings go up. It's good for the sport - legendary in the making... now, if they could just mount heat-seeking missiles on the cars.
@vinnie8792
@vinnie8792 2 роки тому
spikes on the wheels,
@YouilAushana
@YouilAushana 2 роки тому
Lewis could have been potentially killed by a car coming down in him. It wasn't close in this situation but it was a foolish foul.
@sachinbk1347
@sachinbk1347 2 роки тому
Wait, what?
@perp1exed
@perp1exed 2 роки тому
@@YouilAushana almost sounds like you're accusing Max of deliberately taking them both out.
@chumanho
@chumanho 2 роки тому
ukposts.info/have/v-deo/ZZdhirCHgHh_0Hk.html
@aakashpuri8294
@aakashpuri8294 2 роки тому
I think we can all agree it's Mazepin's fault
@aaronsouthard8366
@aaronsouthard8366 2 роки тому
Bottas at the podium: "this.... This is what a happy family looks like?"
@onilovni1234
@onilovni1234 2 роки тому
I never realized how enormous rear tires were until I saw Lewis' head under one of them!
@maxbenneton2328
@maxbenneton2328 2 роки тому
He just has a tiny head. Result of pathological virtue signaling-itis
@maxbenneton2328
@maxbenneton2328 2 роки тому
#blessed(withatinyhead)
@astarvelia1186
@astarvelia1186 2 роки тому
@@maxbenneton2328 When should we laugh? Leave us a cue the next time you comment something as dumb as that.
@noteda6361
@noteda6361 2 роки тому
@@maxbenneton2328 haha
@thebestevertherewas
@thebestevertherewas 2 роки тому
@@maxbenneton2328 You seem more qualified than the FIA.
@ivordundic6095
@ivordundic6095 2 роки тому
Honestly, for every big, doubtful incident, this guy is my go-to-guy. Without a doubt the best guy to listen to, as he sits down, analysis, leaves any bias behind (he's even british and has no problem saying it's Lewis' fault in other examples), reflects, compares, takes rules and unwritten rules into consideration. So refreshing every time he posts, compared to seeing all the Lewis fan boys and Max die hard fans on facebook in the comment sections on F1's page just blaming each other and never blaming their own driver, never thinking rationally and properly explaining their view...
@alanjm1234
@alanjm1234 2 роки тому
There's an anti-Lewis bias. At Silverstone, he said it was Lewis's fault because he was on the inside. Here, Max was on the inside, but it wasn't Max's fault?
@ivordundic6095
@ivordundic6095 2 роки тому
@@alanjm1234 So you're saying Driver61 is wrong in this video?
@keelanrose5706
@keelanrose5706 2 роки тому
@@alanjm1234 I agree, but it is only a little bit. Really not much.
@ohhDarkstar
@ohhDarkstar 2 роки тому
in both acidents the marges were minimal, remember that when assigning any blame.
@nicololombardi2188
@nicololombardi2188 2 роки тому
@@alanjm1234 that's not that simple, first of all in Monza the corner was the opposite, the speed was the opposite and all of other things. You can't say Driver on the inside --> penalty
@csears0824
@csears0824 2 роки тому
Regardless of which who you are a fan of, this has got to be one of the best F1 seasons in a long time
@csears0824
@csears0824 2 роки тому
@Nocti Nox yes
@nps1024
@nps1024 2 роки тому
Yeeeeeeeah... no. It might've been if not for Mercedes crashing Verstappen twice and letting Hamilton make up 40-something points in 2 races (sic!). DNFs/crashes happen but not when the championship leader gets crashed out of the race by the main contender(s) twice in a row... Right now Verstappen should be miles ahead of Hamilton and the same for Red Bull and Mercedes.
@csears0824
@csears0824 2 роки тому
@@nps1024 your more passionate than I am about the details. I'm glad you have your passion I wish I had it. I don't have a favorite team,or driver I've enjoyed Verstappen he's a hell of a talent. I'm glad to see McLaren back in the fight. I like Lando Norris and Daniel Riccardo. I just want good competition and consistency in the sport
@nps1024
@nps1024 2 роки тому
@@csears0824 Then you should dislike the part I mentioned.
@csears0824
@csears0824 2 роки тому
Nothing to dislike. I don't know everything about what's happened. I have no doubt you are more informed than I am, I'm coming from an overall perspective
@robertenglebright8257
@robertenglebright8257 2 роки тому
I'm so glad you explained this to us! Thanks. It was a pretty dramatic event in the race! The whole pit fiasco and then this. Good race and glad to see McLaren 1-2.
@stevensmegmakoster8200
@stevensmegmakoster8200 2 роки тому
The sport needed this season so badly. It's gaining viewers rapidly again, full action, spectacular images.. It is just an epic hard battle, instead of the predictable boring (yawn) Mercedes/Lewis dominance. My kids will tell people later that they saw this live. Maxfan or Hamiltonfan... This sells the sport. This is the history of tomorrow.. I got ten years older already and the end of this book isnt even written yet!
@thorstenfinke2751
@thorstenfinke2751 2 роки тому
yup. I came bock to watching F1 activly in this season. It is a blast.
@mvd4436
@mvd4436 2 роки тому
The sprint weekend format played a role in making these weekends what they were
@tttpods
@tttpods 2 роки тому
F1 will be much more fun if everyone just forcefully remove HAM out of the game
@kazefw3834
@kazefw3834 2 роки тому
Yup, this year is epic, for the championship and best of the rest, as well as the Lance Stroll meme 🤣🤣
@kazefw3834
@kazefw3834 2 роки тому
@@tttpods Not really, then Max become the next Hamilton
@YouTube
@YouTube 2 роки тому
Always a super detailed and insightful breakdown! Glad both drivers are okay 🏎️ ❤️
@lukeo6657
@lukeo6657 2 роки тому
????????????
@_ZyL_
@_ZyL_ 2 роки тому
Someone forgot to switch account's 😅
@chazkranz5618
@chazkranz5618 2 роки тому
Silence, brand
@spxn5753
@spxn5753 2 роки тому
Hamilton is not fully okay. He has been seen wearing a neck brace
@HaXD1209
@HaXD1209 2 роки тому
UKposts is going on a commenting spree today Edit: Lmao spam right beneath UKposts official account
@DrAALeitch
@DrAALeitch 2 роки тому
For me, there are three key phases in an overtake- the braking zone, the apex, and the exit. The braking zone determines who is entitled to do what at the apex and the apex determines who is entitled to do what on the exit. If you are not substantially alongside in the braking zone, you are not entitled to contest the corner and the other car does not have to give you space. You cannot just throw it from way back and expect the other car whose corner it is to compromise. If you are substantially alongside in the braking zone then you have to be given room to contest the corner but if not, you have to wait. Assuming the attacking car is substantially alongside in the braking zone then attention turns to the apex. The inside car, whether attacking or defending, determines the racing line going into the apex. It can take any line it wants provided the other car is able to keep two wheels inside the white line. The dynamic then changes again at the apex. At this point, whoever is ahead determines the racing line on exit. If the inside car is ahead, it can run the outside car out of road on exit. If the outside car is ahead, the car on the inside must give it room. For me, Max is not substantially alongside in the braking zone to turn 1 so is not entitled to room on the outside whatsoever. Given that turn 1 feeds straight into 2, this means that he would not be in a position to contest that corner, either. As he wasn't entitled to the space on the outside of 1 that he would need to contest 2, Max ought to have did the switchback on Lewis and out-accelerated him to the next chicane, which he would approach as the inside driver.
@stem2603
@stem2603 2 роки тому
I really like how you break down racing situations. It also gives so much insight in how drivers race. This is the level of discussion F1 needs, not all the Twitter garbage.
@MrMattie725
@MrMattie725 2 роки тому
So what do we remember? Don't even try to make the apex, just go straight for a few meters extra and force the other car to stop or go of the track.
@hotshtsr20
@hotshtsr20 2 роки тому
Except for that time you get penalized for not making the apex :)
@MrMattie725
@MrMattie725 2 роки тому
@@hotshtsr20 meh, if you're not trying to make the apex, you can brake a few meters later and are ahead all the way. When you are ahead, you can do whatever you want as long as you keep it on the track these days. (I'm not saying I agree with that though. How are you supposed to overtake except clean DRS overtakes...)
@paulb.6775
@paulb.6775 2 роки тому
In a chicane, yeah, that's what they do. On a single slow corner you would just get switched back.
@samuelagbonkpolo1242
@samuelagbonkpolo1242 2 роки тому
@@hotshtsr20 because you weren't ahead going into the corner.
@scottmacdonald6861
@scottmacdonald6861 2 роки тому
I think the lesson is - be decisive, don't leave a gap and then close the door after the other driver is committed.
@dlkjAENFadlkfj
@dlkjAENFadlkfj 2 роки тому
Given how people over on Twitter just continue to shout at one another about who is to blame and who should be removed from F1 due to this incident, I am really happy to hear your commentary on it. Great work!
@rodneyboehner3007
@rodneyboehner3007 2 роки тому
It was clearly 1000% Verstappen's fault. There was no retaining wall on the left, so Max was not absolutely squeezed with no where to go and could have completely avoided Hamilton by going into the run-off area just as Hamilton did earlier in the race to avoid a serious collision with Verstappen. Verstappen was too aggressive and did not go into the run-off area to avoid a serious collision, so he intentionally hit Hamilton and forced the issue when he didn't need to. It was 100% Hamilton's right to shut the door at the apex to force Verstappen into the run-off area, but Max chose not to go there.
@MrElpajita
@MrElpajita 2 роки тому
@@rodneyboehner3007 "Racing incident", get over it.😁
@rodneyboehner3007
@rodneyboehner3007 2 роки тому
@@MrElpajita Verstappen got a 3-place grid penalty on the next race. The stewards agree with me. Max didn't do enough to avoid the collision. I win the internet!!
@rodneyboehner3007
@rodneyboehner3007 2 роки тому
@LNS_CTDi Guess who got the 3-place grid penalty on the next race? Seems you have no ground to stand on with your non-argument.
@danbolademarte
@danbolademarte 2 роки тому
@@rodneyboehner3007 had it been 1000% Ver like you say he would’ve gotten a more severe penalty. 3 places is rough but like Silverstone it’s not that clear who is the one at fault. Hamilton did get a much “better” penalty though.
@A.babygirl4life
@A.babygirl4life 2 роки тому
When you go for a space that turns out not being there, you miscalculated, mis-anticipated, whatever but surely you are in the wrong. You can’t really blame Hamilton for not being as predictable as Max felt he would be, that just doesn’t make any sense. Saying Max did it on purpose is perhaps a bit presumptuous but he surely isn’t blameless
@briancatt
@briancatt 2 роки тому
Exactly, he was dangerously and presumtively careless in his decision making. Ot's not an accident to drive into a gap that was already not there and closing.an accident. Deliberate - or a serious misjudgement of braking?. It was not Lewi's fault the RB pit crew screwed up.
@hexgraphica
@hexgraphica 2 роки тому
The gap was there as they prepared for the left hander but wasn't there anymore when they reached the apex. If you wish to give no space, you position yourself accordingly when the other driver has time to react and change plans. Lewis left a tiny door open and then closed it when too late. At that point if max bailed out he would have jumped on the curb anyway and flew into Lewis
@richardcevat167
@richardcevat167 2 роки тому
When you go for a space that turns out not being there. That's where your train of thoughts go wrong, as Scott explained here. Lewis did not make it clear that there was no space. Lewis gave the impression there was space, and being who he is, Max was going to take that space. And then Lewis decided not to give it to him after all. At that point Max could no longer back out and the collision was unavoidable. That is exactly why Scott calls it a racing incident
@KendoSwordsman
@KendoSwordsman 2 роки тому
I think the reason Lewis took that line was precisely because he was conscious of the the next "straight" and getting a reasonable exit as I believe he thought Max would back out a tad and then try to use the slipstream into the next set of corners. I think that was a fair strategy to take and I also think Max should have seen this coming. I can also see why he went for it though. As good as Max is I still believe he needs to be stronger at assessing his opponents strategies in wheel to wheel. He often assumes everyone will just back out but he clearly hasn't watched Lewis enough when he's not been in the fastest cars or not had a comfortable lead in the championship. Lewis can make great passes and defensive maneuvers in any given corner but he also thinks 3, or or even 5 corners ahead of him. Especially on that turn 2, saving position there can often set you up to concede it shortly after. The difference in their behaviours is that Lewis in my eyes shows that depth of understanding but Max was only thinking of that single corner. It's not wrong but as a future champion he'd be better served to know exactly when to pick his battles and to acknowledge exactly who he's racing on the day. He says Lewis never gives him space. Fine, take that knowledge and use it rather than running into the same situation repeatedly. They're both great drivers but there are moments that show Lewis as the more complete driver (not free of error). This is one of those if you ask me. Not so much about right and wrong but more about how they treat that one small moment in relation to the other 60 or 70 laps worth of corners and maneuvers. Just my opinion though. He will get it I'm sure but at the moment I can't help but feel he needs to learn that to finish first first you have to finish. I think now Lewis may also have to adjust his way of approaching Max as its clear he'll crash over a sniff of any given corner rather than let it go and live to fight another day. I think Lewis thought Max would make an adjustment after recent events but perhaps equally, that's just not in his driving character. It's interesting watching this unfold. It may be whoever keeps a cooler head in the championship will ultimately prevail simply by bringing points home rather than binning the car on track. We'll see I guess.
@bomapenguin
@bomapenguin 2 роки тому
"ALL THE TIME YOU HAVE TO LEAV-UH THA SPACE" - Seb Vettel quoting Fernando Alonso.
@sumerrana6805
@sumerrana6805 2 роки тому
" " -Fernando Alonso,
@badarmiqdad3161
@badarmiqdad3161 2 роки тому
FINALLY, THE ONLY PERSON WHO COULD GIVE A FAIR OPINION
@lassegregersen5133
@lassegregersen5133 2 роки тому
You haven't even watched the whole video xD
@kabirgoel2181
@kabirgoel2181 2 роки тому
@@lassegregersen5133 Thats how much faith we have in him :-)
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 2 роки тому
Chain Bear.. The Race.. Marc Priestley..
@basemmahmoud9850
@basemmahmoud9850 2 роки тому
Absolutely nailed it
@dominic.m.i.
@dominic.m.i. 2 роки тому
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Chain Bear: not a racing driver (i love his content too, because he's clear cut of the rules) Race: can see a British bias poking here and there. Marc : actually decent. What I like about scott is that he's a racer who's unbiased.
@jamespicksley5781
@jamespicksley5781 2 роки тому
easy solution that prevents all of this, Verstappen uses the run off like he made Hamilton do earlier in the race. Others had used it many times through practice and qualifying.
@stevenmaschek7554
@stevenmaschek7554 7 місяців тому
As he explained Lewis gave an indication that he was leaving enough space and how Lewis could have pushed wider in between the 2 turns so that Max had no option but to take the runoff
@BannedByMe
@BannedByMe 2 роки тому
Make a video comparing overtakes before and after DRS, please!
@gracielkelly9645
@gracielkelly9645 2 роки тому
I would argue that they're competing for a championship: Max's first and Lewis has a record he's about to break. They are going to more aggressive and harsh with each other.
@BobbyDazzler888
@BobbyDazzler888 2 роки тому
Its the only way....
@femiceo328
@femiceo328 2 роки тому
Lewis was actually fair....Danny ric and the pitstop triggered Max. If he loses the wdc it will be a big shame.
@ricer34567
@ricer34567 2 роки тому
@@femiceo328 I heard Max said to Dany he won't attack him if he overtake him on the start. It was just a racing incident. Max's racing style is goddamn aggressive, a bit similar to what was Senna doing. On the other hand we have Lewis who hasn't been defending so hard for years and we see him making mistakes. It's pretty obvious there would be some clashes and crashes, they're fighting for WDC.
@femiceo328
@femiceo328 2 роки тому
@@ricer34567 Mistakes where? By driving the slower car and Max fumbling. He is fast and very overrated. His w2w is poor he barely overtakes without touching the other car
@bucketslash11
@bucketslash11 2 роки тому
@@ricer34567 _Max's racing style is goddamn aggressive_ exactly, Max will be so aggressive that the other car has to either give or go off-track
@pierremarcoux9465
@pierremarcoux9465 2 роки тому
Thanks for a concise explanation. Imagine Max and Lewis - performing the same reasoning and calculations in about 3 seconds, instead of 13 minutes!
@melvindelacruz6847
@melvindelacruz6847 2 роки тому
Yup absolutely!
@zm6301
@zm6301 2 роки тому
You don't even need three seconds, every race fan and for sure every driver knows in that kind of situation you are likely to not have any space and even getting squeezed off track, heck Max does this all the time, most recently on lap 1, why would he think others won't do the same? With so little space anyway he would know he would have to ram over the sausage kerbs, potentially damaging his car. Just shows how he wants to win at all cost with full reckless abandon.
@aryheru
@aryheru 2 роки тому
PIEV time is less than a second while racing (driving a car @ more than 100mph)
@zym6687
@zym6687 2 роки тому
It's not the reasoning that takes 13 minutes, its the explanation, if max or lewis tried explaining theyd need 20 minutes.
@zm6301
@zm6301 2 роки тому
@@zym6687 the OP said Max and Lewis PERFORMING, not explaining, the calculations and that's what I commented on. You're changing the OP's comment.
@euanmacleod3738
@euanmacleod3738 2 роки тому
when the cars are so far alongside, I think you simply must leave them a car's width to use, otherwise you are opting into an accident and putting it on the other car whether they want to opt out or not. The only reason they didn't take each other out on the first lap was because Hamilton decided to opt out and leave the track. I guess the argument here is that Verstappen never had the chance to opt out of this accident because he had some space from the first corner, but immediately after the corner you can see where Hamilton's car is going, just like Hamilton could see where Verstappen's car was going on the first lap, and Verstappen had the option then to touch his brakes and concede the corner. But he doesn't do that because he generally always expects the other driver to be the one to relent to avoid the crash. That he has the nerve to then cry about not being left enough space is priceless - given how much of a bully he is on track when it comes to denying space to everyone else. Still, I also really don't like Hamilton's choice to close the door here, mid-corner. When you are alongside, you should always be entitled to a car's width on the track, and that shouldn't be a grey area where opinions can differ.
@johndonovan6840
@johndonovan6840 2 роки тому
But Verstappen wasn’t alongside!!! Lewis had more than half a car in front. Verstappen thinks everybody has to allow him through! Momy’s boy!
@michaellanders4311
@michaellanders4311 2 роки тому
Max was not in the position to take the corner. But max refuses to brake there is a corner and max should brake and try again but he goes over sausage. Why do these guys always expect Lewis to go against centrifugal force. True corner is near 45 degrees. So listening to this guy keep trying to assign blame to Lewis. Max was not in the right place to force his self in there w sausage curbs. That is max faulty panic. Never planning next it is always right now no patience. This again is the latitude home schooled F1 pundits give to max. Aggressive now dangerous and given the benefit of the doubt. Sickening max flys over sausage curbs that is silly and obviously dangerous They didn’t take each other out. Max took Lewis out .. when max roughed up Ocon I n the paddock. Lewis needed to give max some of that same I’m kick your silly ass face max is a punk and bully he needs a shot upside his head Other drivers ate gonna rough max up on the track this year. Guarantee it I hope Lewis drives this year and try’s as hard as he can get some more wins. Bernie and FIA hench men will penalize scrutinize and generally harass AMG and Lewis Bernie will cheat Lewis again to deny that 8th Max is not gonna be the guy just to throw us off the scent But it will be all about denying Lewis an 8th. Who knew that Bernie Christian and max were such corrupt people in knew RBR was mercenary but I thought this was a gentleman’s sport Nope white nationalism is Bernies Ecc brand A real virulent evil Imp
@lsemaldokhar4154
@lsemaldokhar4154 2 роки тому
Scott, I love how you give us little peeks into the way the drivers are thinking, like how you talked about how the bad pit stop didn’t influence Max’s decision to send it. Love what you’re doing, keep up the good work!
@mattbryan9178
@mattbryan9178 2 роки тому
The analysis is good and explains how they end up in the situation. The rules don't exactly follow the way drivers interpret the situation though.
@Mikkeen2
@Mikkeen2 2 роки тому
So should the drivers follow the rules or the rules be changed to "some" of the drivers?
@mattbryan9178
@mattbryan9178 2 роки тому
It's difficult, I think one thing we all know is this isn't the last time these 2 will come together this season.
@Mikkeen2
@Mikkeen2 2 роки тому
@@mattbryan9178 Well, the outcome made my favourite win the race. Happy, yes. But its a shame we didnt get more racing between Max and Lewis.
@John-ok8ts
@John-ok8ts 2 роки тому
The rules are fine. They just don't get enforced consistently.
@balenciagacarseat8859
@balenciagacarseat8859 2 роки тому
Exactly
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube 2 роки тому
Perfectly broken down. 👌
@StijnWN
@StijnWN 2 роки тому
Innit, we need him in the stewarding team of the fia
@Blu3kdxg2
@Blu3kdxg2 2 роки тому
Tommo
@fintan.
@fintan. 2 роки тому
Mad respect tommo but I do think that hamilton didn't leave enough space if you think about how if he went wider he would have had a side by side down the straight. I hope you explain that slightly in the next video you may cover this :) im no max fan its just there was a small gap that lewis knew max would take.
@deeznoots6241
@deeznoots6241 2 роки тому
Like an Alphatauri at Monza
@ryanwheeler2368
@ryanwheeler2368 2 роки тому
Ofc its perfectly broken down like Max is perfect right ??? another British jealous bum
@bryanmuusse230
@bryanmuusse230 2 роки тому
As a racer, I rather choose the escape route , Max could easly past lewis in the next round
@DeeLove4ever
@DeeLove4ever 2 роки тому
Live to fight another lap.
@paulhancock3844
@paulhancock3844 2 роки тому
I doubt it, the Merc was the faster car on faster tyres, that was Max's only chance to get Infront hence the risky overtake
@paulhancock3844
@paulhancock3844 2 роки тому
@mrare either that or crash, that's their purpose, duh
@ianj4389
@ianj4389 2 роки тому
Awesome analysis coming from a driver's point of view.
@crazycjk
@crazycjk 2 роки тому
Absolutely cracked the algorithm with this content - timely, good titles, great breakdown. Thanks!!
@Xeleko
@Xeleko 2 роки тому
I will be please to have a video explaining Ocon 5sec penalty against Leclerc VS Hamilton where Leclerc got No penalty
@jorge8596
@jorge8596 2 роки тому
Contact
@enrik2184
@enrik2184 2 роки тому
Simply because rules became more strict from 2020. They said that
@nickklavdianos5136
@nickklavdianos5136 2 роки тому
Also Ocon moved a bit more aggressively on Vettel and contact was more severe.
@2nir2
@2nir2 2 роки тому
He should've gotten a penalty. I think this was after the vettel montreal controversy and the stewards didn't want to take the win with a penalty again.
@lexuslfa4739
@lexuslfa4739 2 роки тому
that was plain unfair of the stewards and of martin ti call for a penalty for Ocon
@vl5570
@vl5570 Рік тому
I love this channel, good knowledgable technical analysis and completely impartial. You can’t say this for most of British related F1 media (much more so in the past)
@at0micsheep
@at0micsheep 2 роки тому
In the first example you said that the guy with the wheel in front controls the corner and yet when Hamilton had his wheels clearly in front on the second example he's meant to take partial blame?
@djfld2394
@djfld2394 2 роки тому
I agree. Lewis was clearly ahead and therefore had control of the corner. He gave Max the room to either back out or bail out and go across the sausage curb but being too aggresive and dirty as he always is Max keeps going thus causing an accident. Max is supposed to be a professional and should of read the situation better. His penalty is too lenient .
@rofufoja
@rofufoja 2 роки тому
As I heard it he says Lewis didn't make very well use of his position in front to control the corner. He left space instead of letting it run wide and controlling the corner better.
@kelvintkw87
@kelvintkw87 2 роки тому
@@rofufoja Exactly this. Mansell summed it up well, Hamilton is an aggressive and forceful driver that WAS NOT aggressive and forceful, thus allowing Verstappen the space and therefore he has himself partially to blame there.
@at0micsheep
@at0micsheep 2 роки тому
@@kelvintkw87 sirely that's besides the point no? Aggressive or not, Hamilton had his wheel in front and therefore controls the corner, aggressively or otherwise
@Zidpato
@Zidpato 2 роки тому
@@at0micsheep I think it’s not blame but responsibility, for not being aggressive (enough) at the beginning (T1) and THEN aggressive, closing the space he left initially. He got in that position being fairly aggressive since he exit pits, and it’s RB got here by the awful pit stop. I agree with race incident.
@johnny9toes
@johnny9toes 2 роки тому
Whenever I hear the phrase "around the outside" I'm instantly thinking of Eminem.
@robvandenberg4191
@robvandenberg4191 2 роки тому
Thank God, I'm not the only one. It's horrendous.
@kingoneeyed3433
@kingoneeyed3433 2 роки тому
I can only think of malcom maclaren and the buffalo girls.
@furtivedig
@furtivedig 2 роки тому
Have you watched Sim Dane's without me?
@Fochit8611
@Fochit8611 2 роки тому
Thought I was the only one lol
@timfleury2537
@timfleury2537 2 роки тому
Round the outside, round the outside,
@adrianblackwell29
@adrianblackwell29 2 роки тому
You and Jolyon Palmer; I really enjoy the intricate breakdowns, and driver's perspectives on these types of incidents. Quite informative.
@ballaking1000
@ballaking1000 2 роки тому
No love for Peter Windsor? : /
@chad0536
@chad0536 2 роки тому
​@@ballaking1000 I'm waiting for Jolyon', as Scott seems slightly bias
@leumas75
@leumas75 2 роки тому
@@chad0536 me too. I’m not a driver, but one thing I love about both Lewis and Alonso is that they fight like hell, but ALWAYS leave that space of a car-width. I think Scott is wrong here.
@zm6301
@zm6301 2 роки тому
@@chad0536 Yeah, he should have added at the beginning that he's a Max fan as well, lol! Edit: Unsubbing b/c I can't stand how people cover for Max and his dirty driving.
@zm6301
@zm6301 2 роки тому
@@leumas75 While I agree that in general Lewis needs to be more aggressive when closing the door on MV, I think it was more the case that he opened up to get a better exit on turn 2, not expecting Max to come barreling over the sausage kerbs. How about this for a gentlemen's agreement? *Don't go smashing into other drivers in a disappearing wedge because there's a few inches on the inside.*
@bizarrefruit
@bizarrefruit 2 роки тому
I wonder how drivers of old, say from the 60's, would have reacted to being pushed onto the grass/gravel. Unpopular opinion; I see too many games of chicken these days, shove your car somewhere and wait for the other driver to convert it into 'a great move' by avoiding the crash. Can't wait to see if the new aero regs actually allow more fights based on intelligent cornering like pulling the switcheroo and getting better drive on exit.
@izzdin6228
@izzdin6228 2 роки тому
Checo and Bottas showed what a great battle looks like without touching. Checo with a rocket launch out of the chicane and retook Bottas is something to marvel.
@aidan6396
@aidan6396 2 роки тому
I’d say it’s because of how tight some of these tracks are, and how wide the current reg cars are that have changed overtaking entirely. The 2022 cars are less wide, but not by a whole lot, so we shall wait and see
@1962gms
@1962gms 2 роки тому
Interesting analysis - from the start Max knew it was an opportunistic move, he also knew what he had done to Lewis earlier, so whilst I agree as a racing driver you will go for a gap, if you do that then you need to be able to bail out when it is clear that you aren't going to make it. It seems pretty evident to me that Max could have braked to limit the impact of the sausage kerbs, or could have bailed into the run off area. I get that he will look for every opportunity, but he must have known that this was 'an accident waiting to happen' if he carried on. Damon Hill called it a 'professional foul' and I'm afraid that I think their is an element of this. Max had to get by Lewis and messed up. He deserved at least a 3 place grid penalty as it was utterly avoidable.
@allanpiacente
@allanpiacente 2 роки тому
Verstappen did the same thing that Lewis did in the accident, at the first lap of the Sprint race, then DR lifted and Gasly went into his tyre, losing the front wing afterwards. Almost ended DR race and we all saw what happened to Gasly. Lewis does the exact same thing the next day and Max says on the radio "that's what happend when you don't leave space". Max is a great driver, I love to see him racing, but it's hard to stay on his side sometimes
@EyeofProvidence007
@EyeofProvidence007 2 роки тому
at least your honest and fair.
@donovanjanus7252
@donovanjanus7252 2 роки тому
First lap vs coming out of the pits are two different things though... I do feel it was a racing accident, and Hamilton, on softer and fresher tires, could have waited. With any other driver, I think Hamilton would have done so. The sausage kerb I feel was the real villain here. Don't feel the grid penalty is justified, especially since Verstappen will be penalized for a new engine due to Hamilton's crash. I also feel Toto's comments are entirely inappropriate ("fouls" - indicating Silverstone was Verstappen's fault too)
@emmersonsouza5154
@emmersonsouza5154 2 роки тому
@@donovanjanus7252 Why is it up to Hamilton to yield the position? Max went for a gap that wasn't there.
@Ryandafa99
@Ryandafa99 2 роки тому
Why don't blame Pit Crew both slow pitsop
@tomymotocare7000
@tomymotocare7000 2 роки тому
@@donovanjanus7252 Coming out of pits but he already over the white line if lewis do something wrong Mad Max and Mr horny will jumping all over it.
@chrisbrinkley4688
@chrisbrinkley4688 2 роки тому
The only disagreement I have is when you said that anger doesn't affect these drivers' decision making. Vettel at Baku seems to disprove that 😄
@antoniokutija9788
@antoniokutija9788 2 роки тому
They are humans they have emotion
@erwinr9328
@erwinr9328 2 роки тому
Vettel is probably the most emotional racing driver right now. Lewis and Max both are able to shut off
@sjoerdholtzer9168
@sjoerdholtzer9168 2 роки тому
Detailed analysis, insightful. Before I make my final opinion (as your analysis did give me some more details to think about) I wonder what your opinion is on the action from Lewis going into turn 1. I know you mentioned his position is perfect, however please review this against what happened with Max and Bottas at Monza in (I believe) 2019. when Max squeezed Bottas going into turn 1 across the white line. Max got penalized for that then. Now Lewis has forced Max outside the white line as well. Nothing was mentioned about this by the FIA, but did have a direct impact on Max his line, speed and options. Curious to your insights Thanks in advance
@drfredostein4410
@drfredostein4410 2 роки тому
Max hit Bottas pretty much on the grass
@BannedByMe
@BannedByMe 2 роки тому
Make a video about Schumacher, Senna, Lauda, Vettel and Hamilton their strengths and weaknesses comparing them, please.
@scottycarter5442
@scottycarter5442 2 роки тому
He's already made videos analysing their driving styles. Not quite what you asked for but if you haven't already seen them, they're worth a watch
@edwardalbrecht2215
@edwardalbrecht2215 2 роки тому
12:00 exactly how Hamilton and Norris took the chicane on lap one
@endthisnonsense7202
@endthisnonsense7202 2 роки тому
Same as Silverstone, There is was LEC and VER, now it was HAM and VER. HAM just want's to repeat his point, I'm able to drive sensibly and let drivers overtake if they can, except if their name is Verstappen.
@ayobabes7396
@ayobabes7396 2 роки тому
Nah this time after the info I get from the video I agree that Hamilton was too nice he hit the apex like there was no one trying to overtake him and then the other guy just wanted to gumet infront saw a gap went for it but it closed faster than he thought
@ayobabes7396
@ayobabes7396 2 роки тому
*get
@Bahamuttiamat
@Bahamuttiamat 2 роки тому
@@endthisnonsense7202 Or maybe, just maybe max thinks everyone and their dog should yield for him but won't when the roles are reverse.
@endthisnonsense7202
@endthisnonsense7202 2 роки тому
@@Bahamuttiamat Maybe. But that doesn't change the factual observation HAM showed how to let someone pass in the same corner both at Silverstone and Monza. He could of course also have chosen to show how to let drivers pass when it was VER in both cases, and showed how to not let them pass when it was LEC and NOR respectively. One wonders why he chose like he chose, or maybe not...
@phunkym8
@phunkym8 2 роки тому
i like the auto completion on youtube when you just type verstappen and up comes verstappen lewis crash. at this point you have to specify the year and gp to get what you want
@jones604
@jones604 2 роки тому
From this, I gather that it's OK to squeeze your opponent out of the corner on one condition.... that condition is, your name has to be Max Verstappen.???
@f1david
@f1david 2 роки тому
When I was watching the race. Red Bull had that long pit stop. Didn’t Max say on the radio. “ Leave me alone.”. Seems like he was angry at that point. Probably effected his decision making.
@andre200mw
@andre200mw 2 роки тому
he was very pissed, you can clearly hear it and see it! but im convinced the outcome wouldve been the same even if he didnt have a bad pit stop and had to fight lewis for that corner! theyre rivals and they will go for any gap they find
@Porsche996driver
@Porsche996driver 2 роки тому
Didn’t Hamilton have a long pit stop too! Lewis was obviously pissed to jump in front of Max who was doing 210 at the end of the straight?!
@chris9650
@chris9650 2 роки тому
No matter how professional they are still human and I think max seen the red mist and went for it.
@buttpark5336
@buttpark5336 2 роки тому
"What do you want me to do? Just let the guy win?" Somewhere deep inside, this is what both drivers are asking when they are being criticize by their errors.
@pdwu2b
@pdwu2b 2 роки тому
The problem lies in the vagueness of FIA's rules on overtaking.
@arcaneminded
@arcaneminded 2 роки тому
Strongly disagree. The last thing we want is bureaucracy on track, there'd never be any overtaking.
@Poodz_
@Poodz_ 2 роки тому
Yep. You're completely allowed to close the door if you're ahead on the inside, (except for Perez and Norris in Austria), and you have to give the car space on the inside if they're majority alongside (Except for Lewis at T2 Monza). Doesn't make any sense to me.
@manuelight
@manuelight 2 роки тому
@@Poodz_ absolutely...they change the rules every other race to suit Mercedes and LH... ridiculous
@Gias1
@Gias1 2 роки тому
Great insight on the matter. Thanks.
@cooper512
@cooper512 2 роки тому
9:50 Is there really space there? With the trajectory of Hamilton’s car it’s clear that there will be no room to pass without going off track
@lee3r24
@lee3r24 2 роки тому
giovinazzi pulled this move off on Lap 1 and at that point in the corner was further off track than Max. Good video here by Joylon Palmer ukposts.info/have/v-deo/e497YamdpZ2W2Wg.html&ab_channel=FORMULA1 around 10 min 30 sec mark there is a comparison.
@oxfordsparky
@oxfordsparky 2 роки тому
@@lee3r24 not comparable at all, very different speeds and a very different situation.
@oxfordsparky
@oxfordsparky 2 роки тому
PMSL, using “max” and “professional” in the same sentence 🤣😂🤣😂
@addo-hillpropertymanagemen2604
@addo-hillpropertymanagemen2604 2 роки тому
Totally agree, at that point in the race Hamilton was within rights to close the gap but Varstappen's over aggressive nature wouldn't let him concede.
@Runoratsu
@Runoratsu 2 роки тому
In any case, the crash made the race much more interesting-not for the crash itself, but for the opportunities it opened up for all the other cars on track. The two championship AND constructors‘ championship leaders taking each other out of the equation? Yes please. I got no problem with that (as long as no one gets seriously hurt in the process).
@mrkrakychen5325
@mrkrakychen5325 2 роки тому
Lewis: haha you are losing Max: you are coming wiith me
@dardvader6
@dardvader6 2 роки тому
🤣🤣
@TofuSapien
@TofuSapien 2 роки тому
🤣
@sporehux8344
@sporehux8344 2 роки тому
A double DNF (at Monza) was probably worth 10 to 15 points for RedBull, I'm not saying it was a professional foul, but the economics of one is sound.
@clyde34
@clyde34 2 роки тому
@@sporehux8344 The single DNF at Silverstone was worth 32 points for Merc based on the sprint quali performance. I will not accuse any driver of intentionally causing crashes (I'm certain neither intended to), but both did desperation moves they wouldn't have done if they didn't have a 100km race showing them what will happen if they don't make that move stick. What this sprint quali trial taught me is that the 3rd sprint quali weekend at Interlagos will result in a crash caused by whatever team has the worse car performance on Saturday.
@RashidTak
@RashidTak 2 роки тому
@@bugglebegger143 You've got to be a different level of genius to think at 200mph a driver is going to shunt another car without risking damage to themselves. Lewis was losing by a fair bit at thay point, a DNF to both would've been disastrous to Hamilton. At Monza, a DNF to both was obviously beneficial to redbull.
@zakeller
@zakeller 2 роки тому
5:19 - these drivers are massive professionals?? Have you listened to the chatter on the radio very often? Not only do they hold a grudge multiple laps, sometimes multiple races about the pettiest little stuff.
@sharvapotdar3257
@sharvapotdar3257 2 роки тому
You mean the chatter on the radio when they're doing 300kmph+ while managing 10 other things on their car? Yeah pretty sad that they get mad about something bad happening during the race, I reckon you'd do better in those kind of situations, eh?
@ThePlaidCanadian
@ThePlaidCanadian 2 роки тому
@@sharvapotdar3257 the " eh? " Was honestly an excellent touch. Canadian approved ✅😅 but yeah I don't think people understand that these driver's make literally MILLISECOND decisions and have so many things to multi task. Radio etiquette is an after thought for most except the veterans maybe
@jackhammer111
@jackhammer111 2 роки тому
It's almost as though he didn't read the opinion before doing this vid. The first image he shows 4:05 is AFTER what was the key moment of the incident and was the main point they used in pentaizing Max. in this pic they are well into the turn. The stewards looked at the first moment the track starts turning which is a couple of car lenths before the first picture here. "“Car 44 was exiting the pits. Car 33 was on the main straight. At the 50m board before Turn 1, Car 44 was significantly ahead of Car 33. Car 33 braked late and started to move alongside Car 44, although at no point in the sequence does Car 33 get any further forward than just behind the front wheel of Car 44. “During the hearing, the driver of Car 33 asserted that the cause of the incident was the driver of Car 44 opening the steering after Turn 1 and “squeezing” him to the apex of turn 2. The driver of Car 44 asserted that the driver of Car 33 attempted to pass very late and should have given up the corner either by backing off sooner or by turning left behind the kerb." I've been saying "in the world of Max, all things belong to Max". The stewards are reminding him that they don't. “The Stewards observed on CCTV footage that the driver of Car 44 was driving an avoiding line, although his position caused Car 33 to go onto the kerb. But further, the Stewards observed that Car 33 was not at all alongside Car 44 until significantly into the entry into Turn 1. “In the opinion of the Stewards, this manoeuvre was attempted too late for the driver of Car 33 to have “the right to racing room”. While Car 44 could have steered further from the kerb to avoid the incident, the Stewards determined that his position was reasonable and therefore find that the driver of Car 33 was predominantly to blame for the incident. “In coming to the penalty the Stewards emphasise that they have only considered the incident itself and not the consequences thereof.” The first sentence of this paragraph settles it.
@pjb2960
@pjb2960 2 роки тому
9:53 One thing I'd say although there is physically some space for Verstappen, if he's going to make turn 2 isnt his cars angle is going to be perpendicular to the exit? Just seems like he dive-bombed into a situation that would inevitably cause a collision - unless lewis really avoided inside of turn 2, which obviously when you're fighting for the title you won't yield. Max's post race comments of "two to tango and that he wasn't left space" seem very hypocritical considering past encounters and his style of racing.
@2005StangMan
@2005StangMan 2 роки тому
That’s Max. “Rules should apply to them, not me”. Max always wants space but aggressively cuts off everyone anytime he gets a chance. It’s what led to the contact in Silverstone (with most of the contact due to Lewis’ understeer) and he went for a gap that he knew wouldn’t exist here.
@pjb2960
@pjb2960 2 роки тому
@@mikko3 that's what I'm saying for max to push Ham over curbs in t4, and to then complain about not being left enough space in t2 is definitely hypocritical - I agree in though especially in a championship fight both are unlikely to concede blame
@suckieduckie
@suckieduckie 2 роки тому
More like Lewis left some space so he divebombed into a position where if Lewis gives him space on the exit it becomes a drag race to turn 3 instead of being stuck behind the Mercedes on better tyres for the rest of the GP.
@pjb2960
@pjb2960 2 роки тому
@@2005StangMan I think that seems to the case unfortunately, electric pace but an incident strewn racing style. Lewis understeering at Silverstone did contribute to that crash, but from onboard cam, verstappen committed more steering to the racing line after correcting, expecting Hamilton to yield and boom they crash.
@pjb2960
@pjb2960 2 роки тому
@@suckieduckie at 9:53 you seriously think that given the cars positioning and angles in relation to that corner, that max can make that corner without a collision? If so idk what else I can say, that's your opinion, I have mine.
@built2jzlexus496
@built2jzlexus496 2 роки тому
The FIA should really do something about the grey area with “leaving a car’s width”. We’ve seen way too many instances with ppl attempting passing around the outside assuming everyone is going to leave them space
@tenej6992
@tenej6992 2 роки тому
I think there is a clear difference between missing the corner and going wide and pushing your rival wide so he can't even try to overtake you. Remember Rosberg in Germany 2016? He literally pushed Max way off track and thats why he got penalised. I hate this gray area where its borderline okay. It shouldn't be because then you can easily ruin someone's race, because you are abusing the damaging structure of the race tracks, such as when Hamilton went off track at turn 1 in imola. He could have easily gotten terrible floor damage, but because it was the first lap, who cares? Or what about in 2019 at Monza when Hamilton got pushed wide by Charles? In yesterdays race Ocon did something similar and got penalised. SMH
@NardKoning
@NardKoning 2 роки тому
I believe there are other racing series where you have to leave space if you are just somewhat alongside or something. It would make it a lot more clear, and this pushing each other off, and then talking about "how far alongside" they were is no longer allowed.
@built2jzlexus496
@built2jzlexus496 2 роки тому
@@tenej6992 I agree. Somethings needs to be clarified or you’ll keep getting instances like this or Austria this year when ppl kept getting pushed into the gravel because they were expecting room around the outside
@built2jzlexus496
@built2jzlexus496 2 роки тому
@@NardKoning right. If u just make it clear then ppl would try more straightforward passes instead of trying risky moves around the outside because u don’t kno who will leave room and who won’t. The only reason Lewis tried the move at Imola or Monza is because he expected Max to leave room. Some woulda left room and others wouldn’t have.
@tonespeaks
@tonespeaks 2 роки тому
@Built 2jz Lexus It is not a grey area...(it is sort of). The rules are pretty clear in that position, Lewis didn't force Max off the track, Max ran out of Track for the line he wanted to take. In terms of leaving a car widths it is that the lead can't force the other off the track, when they are side by side, by making a movement that isn't in line with proper flow of traffic. For example if you are going down a straight the car in front can't cut you off it you are side by side. In this case Max was always trailing into corner 2, so he should have anticipated that there would be no room to make the pass. More importantly he should have made sure that if he did attempt the pass, there would be no contact. There was not question if he tried the pass there was going to be a collision, because the kerb is there. Max had 3 options, he took the one that has the highest risk and the lowest chance of success. Some would say, he picked option 3 because if he could bump Lewis to the outside, this would be a "Schumacher like" (old school) move. Even though I don't like Driver61's breakdown and conclusion, it is representative of Old School racing. This is why many old schoolers would have seen that as just hard racing. The problem is many old school racers are not here or routinely DNF. They are trying to cut that kind of stuff out, because if it wasn't for Halo, Hamilton could have been dead. We take it for granted that these cars are safe, because they are.... but it is still racing and anything can happen. Dale Earhart (Nascar) was killed in slow speed crash.
@jiska111111111111111
@jiska111111111111111 2 роки тому
5:33 That is nonsense... Do you even hear their radios during races when stuff like that happens?
@GordonMarshall992
@GordonMarshall992 2 роки тому
Tbh, I think your giving Max too much credit. Lewis was ahead and the trajectory of Lewis’s car was always heading to the apex of the T2. Max should have bailed just like Lewis did in L1 but I genuinely think he’d rather crash than lose a corner.
@GordonMarshall992
@GordonMarshall992 2 роки тому
@G Schaaf An avoidable one. Max would've had so much more grip accelerating out of T2 had he been just a little patient
@dand1585
@dand1585 2 роки тому
Part of the problem is the cars are way too big, especially for these awesome old circuits
@ReViv4L
@ReViv4L 2 роки тому
I agree, fully. There's just no logic to leaving a car's width in that situation. It would compromise the exit heavily. IMO, the problem is not Max or Lewis, it's the FIA.
@sravanvijayan1864
@sravanvijayan1864 2 роки тому
I agree
@connorf1au
@connorf1au 2 роки тому
True that I would compromise exit, but in the rules of alonso, all the time to have to leave the space, which is the main problem. Lewis could of left the space as we have seen battles been safely and cleanly done that this corner plus, unlike a f1 2021 online lobby at monza, the start going into the first corner was cleans, proof that Hamilton could of left the space for battle, but you are right, Lewis wouldn't if wanted Max to drag race him down to the second chicane with a bad exit, and Max could of move a little more to the right to hit the sausage curb differently, but the is like centimeters to think about in one sceond. So yes, I more on the Lewis is more to blame camp, but I still think it was a racing incident all round. FIA need to get their act together as if they gave Max a penalty, then they should of given one to Lewis as they both made some mistakes into the chicane.
@ALC0LITE
@ALC0LITE 2 роки тому
And the kerb, The incident might not have been race ending for either if Max wasn't airborne
@Siteus1
@Siteus1 2 роки тому
@@connorf1au If lewis has to leave space then max has to in lap 1. What goes around comes around
@antun88
@antun88 2 роки тому
This should be implemented on race start, when there are a lot of cars going side by side through there. It would make starts way more interesting!
@isabellasattic3995
@isabellasattic3995 2 роки тому
Really good but I’d rather see the track action you highlight more rather than you on split screen, I’m visually impaired and a wee box doesn’t really work for me💕
@rvdvogt
@rvdvogt 2 роки тому
Excellent analysis. Exactly right - I think. But according to James Allison's (Mercedes engineering boss) opinion after the Silverstone '21 incident it should have been Lewis's mistake. Basically James said at the time - by the way that video is nowhere to be found anymore - that the FIA rules state that if a driver is "significantly alongside" on the inside (of the bend) the corner is his/hers. Now James mentioned this in regard of the Silverstone incident and by doing so implied that it was Verstappens fault that the Silverstone contact actually happened. And the stewards - or Micheal Masi, or both - agreed in their verdict that both drivers were responsible. But Lewis a little bit more - hence the 10 second penalty. So, if all this is correct - and please scold me when I'm wrong - I would say that Max was "significantly alongside" on the inside of turn two; and so the corner was his to take!? Lewis was at fault and should have left room for Max - just like he did after the start when Lando was alongside. But the stewards or Micheal Masi or both decided otherwise again and issued a penalty to Max which is in no way comparable to the 10 seconds Lewis had to endure at Silverstone. I'm lost.
@jebediahgentry7029
@jebediahgentry7029 2 роки тому
Hamilton gave Verstappen the choice of having a crash or letting him through and Verstappen didn't back down. Damn good racing if you ask me. Not going any further in this comment section, lol. Way too many emotional opinions instead of rational ones
@JH-uh3cc
@JH-uh3cc 2 роки тому
Seems like people forgot what's it like to have a proper championship fight
@officialWWM
@officialWWM 2 роки тому
Agreed.
@thatmukundbalaji
@thatmukundbalaji 2 роки тому
That's kinda what senna used do actually. There's a Top Gear video made on Senna as a tribute where Martin brundle talks about what the OP said.
@rumblefish9
@rumblefish9 2 роки тому
Lewis pretty much thought he could bully Max.
@lennardd.180
@lennardd.180 2 роки тому
This.
@mattwhitfield7840
@mattwhitfield7840 2 роки тому
I guess I disagree - in the still where you see them approaching the corner - yes there is space, but equally it's triangle shaped and it's fairly obvious what's going to happen there. Verstappen wasn't ahead. But I think I care less about that and more about the fact that Verstappen just wandered off. If I parked my car on someone's head I'd check to see if they were OK.
@ISirSmoke
@ISirSmoke 2 роки тому
lewis was still trying to get his car out of the gravel trap, I think that was confirmation enough that he's ok
@erwinr9328
@erwinr9328 2 роки тому
He looked to see if Lewis was okay though and Lewis was reversing like crazy at that point so we all knew the answer right?
@Octavarium666xyz
@Octavarium666xyz 2 роки тому
Because cars can't steer right? The space was there, he went for it and it resulted in a crash. And he saw Hamilton trying to reverse the car back into the track so he knew he was okay ...
@UNuklear
@UNuklear 2 роки тому
Except... Lewis was trying to clearly reverse? I am not sure what needs to be checked on there if Max sees that he's still trying to drive the car out? What, coming close and endagering himself in case Lewis succeeds and asking a useless question if Lewis doesn't- if anything, that may be insulting hearing "you alright" as you're clearly awake and trying to drag yourself back on the road.
@MBoeltje41
@MBoeltje41 2 роки тому
He did check and saw lewis was already busy trying to get his car out so he just walked of. Dangerously mind going on track behind hamilton while knowing Hamilton is trying to get out.
@Tempcore_
@Tempcore_ 2 роки тому
The opinion that they are super professional and they remove anything bad from their brain right away kinda goes out the window if you hear any of Max's radio from after the pit stop. The radio messages and the crash shortly after definitely makes him look like he lost his cool a bit
@nicio666
@nicio666 2 роки тому
I was slightly ahead so I have the racing line, so I can push someone of is the most used term these days, also the one that disgusts me the most. I get that in some corners it is impossible to see if you only have one wheel next to someone, but half a car is alongside the way I see it. If there is a car half next to you that still means you can't move over in that spot cause its taken. Everyone complains they can't overtake, I've seen multiple possibilities to overtake around the outside this year. But half of them they don't attempt cause they'll get pushed wide and lose, the ones where they went for it and it worked out almost everyone went slightly crazy and loved it, only to critisize someone who tried the same and got pushed of, then they go he went around the outside what did he expect...
@jobbruggen7269
@jobbruggen7269 2 роки тому
Very interesting. I thought Max was overly agressive. He would not have made that turn unless Lewis would be fully going out from his line.
@mareksumguy1887
@mareksumguy1887 2 роки тому
Learn the rules buddy. Max was NEXT to Lewis… not “behind” him. Which means Lewis has no right to push Max off the track like that.
@theraomaN
@theraomaN 2 роки тому
@@mareksumguy1887 First of all, Max's front tyre wasnt even along side Lewis' tyre. Second of all, what about Lap 1 incident?
@kfx923
@kfx923 2 роки тому
@@mareksumguy1887 you learn the rules too, he wasn't ever alongside enough to warrant lewis to have to give him space.. all max had to do was what lewis did at turn 4 on lap 1 and there was no issue. I think max should have got a 5 grid penalty, maybe that'll Mae him think harder next time before trying stupid moves which where never gonna work. On top of that we all know max has history, just look up his incidents from the past
@ryanpoles9344
@ryanpoles9344 2 роки тому
@@mareksumguy1887 well you can say the exact same thing about the 1st lap with Max forcing Lewis wide. I don't like either driver, but to be honest it isn't the first time this year Lewis has forced Max wide and it isn't the first time Max has forced Lewis wide.
@Griffiths1
@Griffiths1 2 роки тому
@@mareksumguy1887 what’s your excuse for lap 1 then?
@veckgames
@veckgames 2 роки тому
I think that whenever you get passionate fanbases involved is when good sense flies out of the window. The same people crucifying Hamilton for yesterday's incident were hailing Alonso as their lord and saviour for his similar defence against Hamilton in Hungary which was deemed perfectly fair. The only way Verstappen's move sticks in that situation is if Hamilton just lets him go, which he's not obliged to do given he's on the inside line and ahead of Verstappen going into the chicane.
@suckieduckie
@suckieduckie 2 роки тому
Crucial difference though, Alonso did that before the exit kerb and Lewis on the exit kerb. In similar situations this race weekend, Bottas, Norris, Verstappen, Leclerc and Giovinazzi all were in similar situations and they shut the door before the corner rather than in the corner. That's more like what Fernando did in Hungary. I don't think Lewis was at fault, but I do think he was in a perfectly reasonable position to force Max on the escape road.
@sFde46
@sFde46 2 роки тому
@@suckieduckie imho, lewis tried to avoid max as much as possible after silverstone and after 4th corner during the first lap. For me, it seems max always thinks others will backout or give him room, so he just puts his elbows out and goes for it. When others decide to use their elbows - crashes happen.
@-TheUnkownUser
@-TheUnkownUser 2 роки тому
If he had more advantage over Verstappen, which didn´t, Is Hamilton´s fault.
@sFde46
@sFde46 2 роки тому
@@-TheUnkownUser rolf.
@caesar485
@caesar485 2 роки тому
Imho this is just bery unfortunate. Its a pure racing incident. If the kerb hadnt been there both would've been fine. Hamilton squeezed aggressively (which is his right, dont get me wrong, but as many people say: you're not wrong, but your car is a steaming heap) and max overtook aggressively. They could've let each other live, but that's gone out the window this season. What I find truly disgusting is Damon Hill saying on international television that Max did it intentionally. And I think the F1 community should call out SkyF1 for it. When Red Bull was only mad at Hamilton and at no point said (and even denied ) that Hamilton took out max on purpose the response was very strong. I think the response from the community for this should be similar. Absolutely disgusting to claim that it was intentional.
@jimnasium452
@jimnasium452 2 роки тому
8:00 Wouldn't braking at this point compress the front suspension just as it hit the sausage curb? I can't imagine that would have helped.
@mistajerka5221
@mistajerka5221 2 роки тому
Considering how good F1 cars are at braking, the reduction in speed would still probably lower the distance traveled without front wheel traction more than the added compression would compromise it. Hard to say for sure though.
@sportacusx
@sportacusx 2 роки тому
No it wouldn’t. The cars are built to stop rapidly and at that speed breaking into the corner (because Hamilton had the racing line) would have avoided the crash. In my eyes, Verstappen knew he couldn’t keep with lewis and knew the possible consequence of his actions. Both them being taken out is a Verstappen advantage. Hamilton winning, even with Verstappen in the race would have been advantage Hamilton. Reminds me of the Schumacher/Hill incident.
@manuelgogeissl
@manuelgogeissl 2 роки тому
I also said it was a racing incident after that race. Lewis had the inside on turn 1 and was slightly ahead but as he let Max go next to him it turned to be a left hander now at turn 2 and Max is on the inside and is at more than the half-car-length aside Lewis. And as you said Lewis is squeezing and letting the space disapear slowly and at that moment when it is turning from turn 1 to turn 2. But Lewis also has the right for the corner 2 because he is ahead slightly. If you are on the outside you need to be ahead, but Lewis is ahead. So it is 2 racing drivers that are both justified to say "it is my corner". And when it happens that they crash on this occasion. I would say it is a racing incident. Not always you need one that is to blame. There are situations were it is just racing.
@alicheprecious
@alicheprecious Місяць тому
Bullshit bro
@manuelgogeissl
@manuelgogeissl Місяць тому
@@alicheprecious no it is not bullshit. Driver61 also said it is a racing incident.
@dreamteammmathenetherlands8258
@dreamteammmathenetherlands8258 2 роки тому
Great Analysis dude. As a supporter of Max it's obvious difficult for me to be not biased. As a F1 fan i say this is Max fault period.
@svogender
@svogender 2 роки тому
That's how every F1 fan should behave... Bravo Sir..!! 😉👍
@sakethedpuganti5697
@sakethedpuganti5697 2 роки тому
@@Ayomayo48583 i think this situation is actually confusing. As the chasing driver, you will try the overtake if you're given room. I think Lewis should've just been clear that he'd not concede this corner by not giving room for overtake. But he gave room through turn 1, and mid corner decided not to give room anymore into the next corner. Can't see what else max could do at that point
@sakethedpuganti5697
@sakethedpuganti5697 2 роки тому
@@Ayomayo48583 the problem was it was never "clear" that Lewis wouldn't concede the corner until too late. Lewis left room on the outside, which is the opposite of "making it clear" that he wouldn't concede the corner. Remember Norris and Lewis through turn 1 in lap 1? It was the exact same situation, but Lewis left him space through the next turn as well. I'm not saying it's Lewis' fault anyway. Max is definitely at fault, but I think it's not because he didn't back off or was overly aggressive. He saw the gap left for him and went for it, which turned out to be a mistake
@sakethedpuganti5697
@sakethedpuganti5697 2 роки тому
@@Ayomayo48583 i did say it's Max's fault, so I don't understand what you're point is. You just want satisfaction of people bashing max I guess. I also don't see where could've yielded to? His car was pointing completely to the right, so there's no way he could've turned left in time. He had to ride the sausage kerbs. The only point he could've yielded was into turn 1, not turn 2. Once you try an overtake into the turn 1, there's no aborting/yielding it. You either make it or crash, which is why I said max is at fault. Imagine the turn 4 situation, where Lewis is given space to turn, and then cut off into turn 5? Where would he go? It's the same here
@sakethedpuganti5697
@sakethedpuganti5697 2 роки тому
@@Ayomayo48583 also, no overtake would happen at this corner if we use your logic? After turn 1, max was significantly alongside Lewis, so Lewis doesn't really have the racing line into turn 2, does he? Or am I missing something?
@BenDavies1977
@BenDavies1977 2 роки тому
Max's radio at the time: "That's what what you get when you don't leave the space" Translation: "I'm going to keep putting my car there so it's up to you if we crash" After the race Max said "I thought we were going to have a nice fight into turn1 through turn 2... but of course he ran me a bit too much out of road" Max never seems to leave space for Hamilton in these duels, usually forcing him off track, but then expects Hamilton to leave him space. You can't have it both ways Max. There are probably going to be more crashes as neither man is going to back down now that we're closing in on the last races of the season.
@MG-gq2rs
@MG-gq2rs 2 роки тому
His first statement was the incriminating one. He knew what he was doing. He didn’t want to hold off.
@bigrob966
@bigrob966 2 роки тому
Mkay. Silverstone "He turned in on me" means I'm going to let my car drift to the outside of the turn, good luck everyone else!
@jacklb4152
@jacklb4152 2 роки тому
Nah sorry Scott doesn't take that into account. Emotions don't mean anything at this level of racing apparently..
@Illuminacent
@Illuminacent 2 роки тому
@@bigrob966 Please watch the whole 1st lap. Max cut off Lewis 2 times before the incident. Don't wanna defend Lewis but Max never leaves space for others and sorry in racing situations Max doesn't think. Alonso is the perfect example for analyzing situations n getting the best out of it.
@tonespeaks
@tonespeaks 2 роки тому
@@MG-gq2rs I thought it was a racing incident until I heard the that radio call.... He was trying to get back at Lewis, this is why Lewis thinks it was intentional.
@elielhernandez1579
@elielhernandez1579 2 роки тому
When referring to outside or inside driver, is it dependent on where the turn is? Or it it always the driver farther to the left is the inside?
@laurensruben8791
@laurensruben8791 2 роки тому
It's in reference to the 1st corner, which in the pictures is behind the drivers. Verstappen is about to go on the inside of the 2nd corner, but he's also still on the outside of the 1st corner.
@ScalinoCorleone
@ScalinoCorleone 2 роки тому
just a required correction here, Lewis also "missed" the apex of turn 1, and granted he's coming out of the pits, it's clearly a voluntary move (compared to lap 1 situation at turn 4 where they both broke at the latest point possible, so you can explain the missed apex by the sole speed of Max's car). imho, both situations are a tad different. In Lewis position, which was behind Max before the stop, I would have let him pass T1 while getting right behind him to prepare a clean overtake on the straight to T4 (and I'm far from being a 7-times world champion on the track, but I'm sitting in my simrig...). And I don't even consider the question of the blue flag Lewis was presented with, which - even if not being a "lapping-vehicule blue flag" - still requires from the driver getting out of pits to be particularly careful with quicker cars coming from behind. He might have thought his move in T1 was a smart one, but I hope what happened in T2 will have definitely taught him that in order to win a race you have to finish it first... (and i'm even afraid Lewis would have done the exact same thing with no halo on the cars, just imagine the final result of this move...; come on guys, they are not kart racers anymore, millions of kids are watching them)
@ironglade6183
@ironglade6183 2 роки тому
For me, the funniest thing was how Leclerc showed just a few laps later how you can solve this without crashing
@WALKER20650
@WALKER20650 2 роки тому
I believe it was in the first lap The exact same thing happend with hamilton and norris There hamilton went a little bit wider in the second corner while norris was on the inside
@ranchalita
@ranchalita 2 роки тому
@@WALKER20650 If the roles were reversed, Norris would leave Hamilton enough space. On the other hand, Verstappen wouldn't leave space for any driver, then why was he expecting one
@siniteanrazvan3298
@siniteanrazvan3298 2 роки тому
@@ranchalita well then you would never go for the space...
@mikelitoris6315
@mikelitoris6315 2 роки тому
Dont forget, Lewis showed how to leave room in the T1/T2 chicane on Lap 1....as well as the other 16 drivers behind him.
@ranchalita
@ranchalita 2 роки тому
@@siniteanrazvan3298 I'll go for the space turn 1 and as soon as I see the space is closing into turn 2, I'd use the run off area. There's also the option to slow down on the sausage kerb. There was going to be only one outcome by launching the car off those huge kerbs
@aryamishra5918
@aryamishra5918 2 роки тому
The last time Lewis was aggressive and missed the apex at Copse corner, everyone blamed him for Max's crash. He might have done the right thing this time.
@kevinlouwrens2756
@kevinlouwrens2756 2 роки тому
But Lewis never got a penalty. He deserved one that day.
@rellaes4488
@rellaes4488 2 роки тому
@@kevinlouwrens2756 He got 10 seconds penalty...
@mrbasic48
@mrbasic48 2 роки тому
@@kevinlouwrens2756 he did get a penalty 😂
@thegoalie5233
@thegoalie5233 2 роки тому
Copia and T2 at Monza are literally as different as they come, not in any way comparable
@mro9466
@mro9466 2 роки тому
@@kevinlouwrens2756 making shit up along the way as usual, inventing things ...
@boitelle12
@boitelle12 2 роки тому
Great analysis mate!
@vuyoboltina1617
@vuyoboltina1617 2 роки тому
Pushing Max out earlier would have resulted in another Silverston, where Max wouldn't budge wider
@maartenhoekstra5308
@maartenhoekstra5308 2 роки тому
different scenario. when hamilton went wide at silverstone he wasnt in front.
@unwokeneuropean3590
@unwokeneuropean3590 2 роки тому
Max went into attack full on - Hamilton decided he would defend full on. 2 crazy people next to each other..... Schumacher, Senna and Prost all did it.
@Nave6W
@Nave6W 2 роки тому
Lewis drove as if max wasn’t there at all. That is not how you race. That’s how you hurt people anc cause accidents like at silverstone. And now at monza. 100% Lewis fault. Anyone says otherwise is a fan boy. Objectivity, looking at his drive line and actions, it’s Lewis fault.
@surreal7963
@surreal7963 2 роки тому
@@Nave6W i think you're the fanboy here, why did max get the grid penalty then? And don't give me that crap about the stewards favouriting mercedes.
@twoseeker1741
@twoseeker1741 2 роки тому
@@Nave6W it’s racing. Look at what max did on lap 1. Get over yourself.
@surreal7963
@surreal7963 2 роки тому
@@Nave6W even some max fans can admit that he was in the wrong.
@Nave6W
@Nave6W 2 роки тому
@@surreal7963 well he wasn’t in the wrong. Hamilton turned into him. Max was the on on a racing lap, doing race speed. Lewis should know better than to try and force people off the track.
@bigkevinpetrona
@bigkevinpetrona 2 роки тому
That slow mo showed us how great the halo 😇 worked in this situation again.
@jorismosterdijk2381
@jorismosterdijk2381 2 роки тому
Awesome video! Anyone any idea how he draw the pictures and edit them in the video?
@stevenmaschek7554
@stevenmaschek7554 7 місяців тому
I can agree and respect all the points put forward in this video. But The most under stated point on this incident is that Lewis was on cold tires how could he possibly expect to turn and be as fast as Max at that early part of his out lap. this really is what is reasonable to expect that a driver has to understand their grip level and therefore performance at any point of the race.
@keiran958
@keiran958 2 роки тому
@6:31. That space is always going to disappear especially as it's a left-hander ahead. To me, I've seen lewis bail on corners a few times this year and even in this race, Not Max. Big fan of both drivers, I just don't see how you can say this is okay from Max, He's fine with running a driver off the road earlier in the race yet starting crying cause he's being squeezed out too when he's nowhere nearly level with Lewis until he put it on a kerb. Also not sure about the professional point, I find grand prix drivers to be the ultimate complainer. It might not affect their times but F1 drivers moan about things for laps, we hear it over the telly and didn't Max try to fight Ocon in Brazil hahaha. I think Max would've gone for that move regardless of how long his pit time was tho so I agree with the overall point. @9:51 I dont understand how there is space here. The cars are moving forward here and the edge of the track is ... 1m away? what space? there is nowhere max can go, he's lost the corner imo. By the time contact is made, half of Max's car is off track.
@arvidm4913
@arvidm4913 2 роки тому
I think as long as you got one tire inside the white line, you're still on the track. Also, I think the point he made was that if Hamilton give Ver that much space on turn 1, then ver would just be stupid not to go for it and even expect some space in turn 2.
@kyroberkers4080
@kyroberkers4080 2 роки тому
like a wise man once said, "if you don't go for a gap you see, you're not a racing driver" and Max saw the gap and went for it. Imo they both could've prevented the incident, and I do agree it was more Max's fault, but only a very small amount. I would personally see this as a racing incident.
@user-ww9pd2rz4e
@user-ww9pd2rz4e 2 роки тому
The whole problem is that he didn't fully shut the door mate, it's kinda like when Albon left the door open for Hamilton in Brazil, any racing driver would go for it
@dukebrown4396
@dukebrown4396 2 роки тому
word
@kezzoliver
@kezzoliver 2 роки тому
I can understand going for a gap if there is one but why head for a closing gap where the end of it is a large sausage curb that's only going to damage your car? If it was flat through there maybe but Max was only going to come off badly here? He had fresh tyres and lots of time left to make a move further down the road, why risk it so aggressively in this corner. His tyres were warmer and he might have had a great chance just a few hundred metres later. For me Max needs to know when to back off, this was one of those times.
@thychp7016
@thychp7016 2 роки тому
Lol, imagine if you were Lewis rn. Last time they crashed, Hamilton was being more aggressive then usual. This time, he was not aggressive enough. I give up man.
@GuidoHaverkort
@GuidoHaverkort 2 роки тому
Last time he made a mistake by not braking early enough on the dirty part of the track. As a max fan i think Lewis didn't really do anything wrong. It was awkward because Max had the overspeed since Lewis came out of the pit. He went for the gap but the awkward bounce from the curb caused them to crash. Racing incident for me
@AzureViking
@AzureViking 2 роки тому
It's not about aggression though, it's about ambiguity. You can't afford to be ambiguous in your actions because there isn't time to react to ambiguity.
@thegforce522
@thegforce522 2 роки тому
When ahead, be aggressive, when behind, play it safe. Generally the rules favour the driver ahead. In silverstone hamilton was behind max, you cant try to squeeze from behind. Here lewis was ahead so he could freely squeeze, but he waited so long that max thought there was no squeeze, the confusion with lewis' hesitation is what caused this collision imo.
@quackingpanda8466
@quackingpanda8466 2 роки тому
@@thegforce522 exactly people don't get the scenario was different
@ellnino
@ellnino 2 роки тому
Before even watching the video... I was waiting for this one!
@timothydillon6421
@timothydillon6421 2 роки тому
What I get from this is you cannot overtake aggressively. You also cannot block and must allow the faster car to pass if they are fast enough to pass. But if they dont get fully past we argue about who was wrong while neither finished the race.
@mshumai
@mshumai 2 роки тому
"That's what you get when you don't leave space." -Max So based on this analysis the correct statement would be: that's what you get when you leave space
@endthisnonsense7202
@endthisnonsense7202 2 роки тому
Reprasing it to reflect reality; So based on this incorrect analysis the incorrect statement would be: that's what you get when you leave space
@SundbyCPH
@SundbyCPH 2 роки тому
Or maybe he is saying that first he leaves space, but then all of a sudden takes it away again..
@stoempert
@stoempert 2 роки тому
That's what you get for leaving space and when that space is taken turn the squeeze on.
@mshumai
@mshumai 2 роки тому
My question to everyone: What's worse? 3 place grid penalty or 10 second penalty (Lewis in Silverstone)? My personal opinion - 10 sec probably worse in terms of time lost in a race, but that depends on the grid lineup and if can you get off the line well to make up places quickly. Obviously the incidents are not the same situation and Lewis probably had more fault in crashing into Max in Silverstone than Max did at Monza. But just curious what folks on the internet would choose if you had to choose between an extra 10 seconds in the pit or 3 places grid penalty at the start of next race.
@endthisnonsense7202
@endthisnonsense7202 2 роки тому
@@mshumai A 10 second penalty is immaterial if you have one car in front of you and you know there is enough race distance left to overtake that car. A 3 place grid penalty MAY BE immaterial, but it is NOT guaranteed like the 10 seconds penalty you KNOW you can make up for.
@dougfile6644
@dougfile6644 2 роки тому
9:52 But Verstappen never yields. If Lewis tries to shut the door early doesn't the collision happen earlier and now Hamilton doesn't have the excuse that he was on the racing line?
@donovanjanus7252
@donovanjanus7252 2 роки тому
No. Verstappen then would have been forced straight, missing the sausage kerb (front wing damage). When the sausage kerb came into play, Verstappen had no control (even if hit the brakes, he likely would have hit Lewis as he was cutting across).
@MattyS02
@MattyS02 2 роки тому
@@donovanjanus7252 Max's decision to try for the gap brought the kerb into play. He knew what was coming and could have pulled out well before it got to that point. 100% his own fault.
@markeagles8008
@markeagles8008 2 роки тому
Great analysis, thanks!
@theobolt250
@theobolt250 2 роки тому
From what you're saying I get the impression that LH wants two things at the same time: 1 pushing MV as much as he can to the run off and 2 keeping the line for a perfect apex in order to run away from MV after this corner. He forgot that MV doesn't want to be pushed and will push back! The result is what we all saw, LH's and MV's car having car sex.
@MrLawrence0071
@MrLawrence0071 2 роки тому
It's almost as if Lewis thinks, what Max is allowed, so am I.
@ApollosTrail
@ApollosTrail Рік тому
i think this is it'
@Cal3000
@Cal3000 2 роки тому
I don’t understand how you can apply the trajectory argument for Max and not for Hamilton in this case, esp when the chicane is converging on turn in. Max came in too hot and was going to force his way or crash.
@ApothecaryTerry
@ApothecaryTerry 2 роки тому
I think the point lies around Lewis not having squeezed hard enough. By not making his intentions as clear as Max does it leaves room for Max to believe he'll be given space. By the time he realised he wouldn't, it was too late. Personally I think the penalty is fair, Max misinterpreted the situation and caused the crash, Lewis owned the corner (as per the stewards' document) but the logic behind why he did what he did is reasonable. Hopefully Max will learn from this and understand that Lewis squeezes less aggressively than he does but is still squeezing so Max will know in future that he does need to back out/take the escape.
@Kunlemaja
@Kunlemaja 2 роки тому
@@ApothecaryTerry I hope fool learn that this time around. With all the race under his belt he should have know that by now fucking dump driver believing his a hard raceer fool.
@akram.ibrahim
@akram.ibrahim 2 роки тому
I agree, Max caused the crash and the penalty is a fair one
@tr4nnel752
@tr4nnel752 2 роки тому
I’m surprised by this explanation. I don’t really see the difference between the squeezing in the first round. As a Verstappen fan, I think Verstappen is somewhat too agressive. If Hamilton would have squeezed earlier, I can see Verstappen still driving into him.
@kkacperowski
@kkacperowski 2 роки тому
Agreed. If he wants to take this WDC, he needs to be smarter and less YOLO, IMO
@Resist_Oppression
@Resist_Oppression 2 роки тому
Exactly. I see Max still doing the same move, it's his aggressive style. Lewis knows this just like we do. Lewis gave Max the option to hit him or take the curbs, and as we all knew, Max torpedoed him 😆.
@dickers.g3956
@dickers.g3956 2 роки тому
Difference is that on the first lap verstappen didn’t take the racing line entering the chicane, so Lewis had no chance of being along side by the second apex. Whereas on the t1 incident, Hamilton took the line as if no other car was there, allowing Max to alongside half way through the chicane, which is why Hamilton should not have squeezed him. First lap incident, max positioned his car so it was literally impossible for Lewis to make the second apex. Max could have made the second apex in the t1 crash but Lewis didn’t leave the space.
@v_sign
@v_sign 2 роки тому
Terrific explained Driver61, as if you had read my comment before;)
@HoneyCaribbean
@HoneyCaribbean 2 роки тому
Using the example where max pushed him off was a good example but as he said the turn 1-2 is much tighter. If you look at the replay where lando norris overtook lewis in the same corner. With an simular situation lewis let lando have more space in turn 2 where it was fair.
@enrik2184
@enrik2184 2 роки тому
I've not seen the video yet, but when they showed this overtake LIVE from Max's camera I IMMEDIATELY thought that he would cut the chicane (like ALL other 10 drives in identical overtakes like this did), cause there were no space at all. But when he started turn right, almost going backwards XD, in to the chicane, my brain immediately pictured out the crash seconds before lol. Like WTF did he expect XD.
@MusicNotesLabel
@MusicNotesLabel 2 роки тому
I never thought that the outside driver going into a turn has no right for the road. It makes no sense. I agree with aggressive driving and battling, but leaving no space for the outside driver is non-sense.
@sensibledriver933
@sensibledriver933 2 роки тому
Well thats what max did at turn 4.
@endian675
@endian675 2 роки тому
I think you missed a vital point not mentioning Verstappen's radio message immediately after the crash: "That's what happens if you don't *give* me space". MV wasn't thinking "Wow, there's a possible gap but it's tight, I'm going to take it but it might not come off". No, instead he was thinking "I deserve this space, you need to know your place and get out of my way". That sense of entitlement pervades all of his driving, is what leads to outcomes like this, and also drives the petulance we saw after their collision at the British GP.
@dansegelov305
@dansegelov305 2 роки тому
i cant believe how many people are letting Verstappen off on this one. He was absolutely at fault and he deserves his penalty. Watching it live, I saw Lewis ahead on the entry into turn 1 and briefly though, "that red bull is going to have to either back off, or he's gonna have to use the escape lane across turn 2." But then I realised that it was Max in the red bull and I instantly thought, 'well, HE isn't gonna do either of those things so this will be another crash.' It was obvious before they even turned into 1 that there would be no more gap at the apex of turn 2, but Max just kept his nose in it anyway! Because, just like every other occasion, Max thinks the other drivers have to get out of his way and let him through. It's also very obvious that there was no way Max was going to make it round turn 2 even if he hadn't crashed into Lewis. The corner is far too tight and he was going far too fast to rotate the car at that angle. So he either hits Lewis at the apex or forces lewis and himself into the gravel as he tries to make the exit. It was Max's responsibility to pull out of that battle before turn 2, just like the other 19 drivers would have done. But everyone gives Max a free pass for being a dangerous liability. This video also mentioned the Monza race where Lewis was forced off the track. I guarantee that if the two cars were in each others place then Max would not have left the track and there would have been a crash there too. Max is a complete liability to every other driver and he should be getting penalties each time he endangers other drivers with his "aggressive" driving style.
@MrR9999
@MrR9999 2 роки тому
I think Lewis might not be running wide of the apex in corners because he was penalised for just that at Silverstone.
@Obi-WanKannabis
@Obi-WanKannabis 2 роки тому
Completely different situation, Lewis ran wide against a driver who was far in front of him at Silverstone, thus it is his fault 100%. Here he had the right to run wide out of turn 1 because he was in front of Verstappen.
@calussy8040
@calussy8040 2 роки тому
I don't think Lewis would be thinking of that in the moment, rather his exit of turn 2 not being so tight so he can open the throttle earlier into the corner, cause if he had pushed Max wide he would have been slower coming out of the second corner due to it being very tight, I still think Max is to blame as he knew that Lewis was going to squeeze him out in turn 2 as Lewis was using the racing line, but I also agree with Driver61's video, I just feel that Max went for something that wasn't going to be there, and then had no intention of backing out.
@Dreigo42
@Dreigo42 2 роки тому
I think it was more a case of caution on new tires. You don’t know what amount of grip you have just out of the pits so knowing Max was on the outside, was a little bit too cautious to not lock up and slide into him.
@matthewn1805
@matthewn1805 2 роки тому
Precisely, one minute Lewis is at fault for not making the apex, next he's at fault because he did!! Stop letting Max bully everyone! Max would not have tried that if there was a wall there, ergo its his fault.
@pr3cious193
@pr3cious193 2 роки тому
@@matthewn1805 didn't you get the memo? Whatever lewis does is wrong and whatever max does is right.
@F1FanCanuck
@F1FanCanuck 2 роки тому
Thanks Scott. Always interesting to hear your perspective.
@deezelkane
@deezelkane 2 роки тому
This bloke has just proven that he is a crashtappen fan boy. Paul di'resta, the you tube version
@F1FanCanuck
@F1FanCanuck 2 роки тому
@@deezelkane - please be respectful. Scott is a professional racer whose perspective on these incidents is informed by years of wheel to wheel competition.
@wssw680
@wssw680 2 роки тому
@@F1FanCanuck idk about other videos but this one just gives away how biased he is and tries as hard as possible to not piss off the max fanbase in his channel. Like come on.
@F1FanCanuck
@F1FanCanuck 2 роки тому
@@wssw680 - I disagree. Scott is highly respected and his perspective is that of a pure racer. I think he’s being entirely fair and completely objective.
@himadribasu
@himadribasu 2 роки тому
@@F1FanCanuck right, so that's why he ripped into lewis after Silverstone for being too aggressive and praised verstappen for first running Lewis off at L1 T4 and then basically said that Lewis wasn't aggressive enough and that he should've left verstappen more room. So yeah real professional, so professional that he tested with the RB GP2 outfit and is a friend of the eternal whinger a certain Horner.
@mihailsakulenkovs9714
@mihailsakulenkovs9714 2 роки тому
As some current and ex-drivers said, sausage kerb should be replaced by grass and gravel, as it was in old days. Gravel slows and destabilizes the car enought so that you as a driver would try to avoid it, and it doesn't damage the car and doesn't acts as a trampoline like a sausage kerb. Wasn't it for sausage kerb, Max would have cut 2nd corner, as Lewis would have pushed him out of the track, and Max later would have been told to let Lewis pass if his move on Lewis would had stuck going out of the corner.
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