Great job guys!

Ill be waiting!! Love the content!!

This is some great content, especially seeing as these are your first vids. I'm glad to be seeing the beginning of your channel, no doubt its gonna get a lot bigger soon!

🏆 Par excellence. ⏰ Speaking of time and English railroads, London was the ultimate in time keeping. Professionals everywhere carried pocket watches. Train conductors, bus drivers, everyone moved to the precision ticking of a clock or watch and would instantly rebuke latecomers. I wonder if they still operate with the same care and efficiency. Ah, that was "merry old England."

I'd like to see more , but frankly I just don't have the Time......

Exactly

We are all just sperm that got very lucky. Perhaps we are still just sperm and death is the same as life, with a few of us being reborn into something else.

Agreed. universe is completely anti-life and yes, the probability of existing (on top of being this intelligent) is astronomically small. That's why I believe "someone " helped create life or at least created a small favourable condition for life to take over. Even after sending the strongest telescopes we don't find anything, we might truly be alone. Maybe alone only in this time period considering the large time scales of the universe

life couldn't possibly evolve to do anything other than reproduce. it's the opposite of remarkable. and that we exist in this moment is not remarkable either, that's just the anthropic principle

Leave the weed alone

Yes. I have a few suggestions of my own. Peace

Don’t get your panties in a wad Karen..

You are the manager.

@@philochristos REEEEEEEE

Perhaps Boltzmann topped himself to find out if he was living in the imagination of his own concept... we will never know!

The real nightmare is having a dream you would be born into a world like the one we are now in...

@@markwilliamson2795 I had a rough start ,even had a lung blasted out of my chest in Vietnam, but except for that I've loved every minute of my existence on earth.

@@hellskitchen10036 A lung blasted out of your chest? How is that possible? Are you related to Clement, by any chance?

@@hellskitchen10036 It's not done with you yet....but I think you're tougher than this world..

@@SStupendous A VC rocket sent shrapnell into my chest and tore through my thoracic cavity, as a corpsman I kept from bleeding out but had to have the rest of my lung removed....and yes Clement is my great 4th grandfather.

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My terror and my fascination are in superposition.

Try Bible criticism too. Some good stuff on UKposts.

Lol...nice 🔥

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Goes to show how much the majority of ppl value knowledge. If it was a Justin beiber video on the other hand... 🙄😆

Isaac Arthur's channel took a few years to get to where it is today.

Not every one. Good narration. Great sleeping voice.

@@LEEOC This is big tech’s algorithms’ fault. I mean we could collectively decide to still preferentially show people what they individually prefer and tend to click on, but make that from a bigger bucket of things that are preferentially shown such as things like this, educational things, and things that are more beneficial to society. Instead the algorithm gives people fail videos, tiktok lululemon dances, and whatever other useless nonsense not to mention the actual negative stuff that increases fear, anxiety, anger and polarization

Chill

I find it optimistic actually

Where is the horror and dread?

@@darrenjackson4646 I imagine it's bc of their individualism (self) - if it even exists- is hardly a blink in all time.

That is one of my favorite parts of space and cosmology. What else matters?

Lol love this comment 😂 love that people can’t understand it’s a joke!😂

Check out their related channels, just as great.

Same here. I love this channel

Imagine those who disliked this video.

I love it too...I only wish I were smart enough to understand it😻

Hahaha...not.

@@apextroll who possibly could?

Yet full of theories, not one fact.

In stead of doing 'mundane tasks' try understanding what you are listening to, and creating useful bits of memory. New philosophy is created only with thought NOT doing mundane things. Do you agree?

@@thecatsman where was it said that one cannot both 'do mundane tasks' while also deeply understanding what is being listened to? is that your experience and thus why you have projected it onto the other? it is not mine. when i do 'mundane tasks', i comprehend on an even higher level. the information flows into my mind and fits itself right where it needs to be when i am performing mundane tasks at the same time. small things which i have been doing for years and years. which don't require logical problem solving or complex thought. think.. driving. where your mind goes when you drive! i find your interjection lacking sense in the true meaning of the word and lacking objectivity which we all require when asserting that one's way of doing is somehow worse than ours.

I did not say one could not think while doing mundane tasks , but learning or memorizing usually requires ALL the mental effort one is capable of while retaining general awareness. The brain often learns with no effort or thought at all, but the intellect is more difficult to build up. Personally I found the original content we are referring to quite difficult. (We don't know the age of the commenter 'jrk1--' but I certainly respect his/her apparent desire to learn.) Also, to 'understand what is being listened to' is something different - the effort of learning has already been done.@@user-lm2ix1xd4c

so I was wondering (I'm a total noob on this subjecct, forgive me)... is that the reason why - for example - a star being born doesn't violate this 2nd law of thermodynamics? Because, on the surface, it looks like the entropy in that part of the universe certainly decreases. Sorry if this sounds ignorant. Just trying to understand the basics. Thx. edit: nvm, I should have watched the entire video before asking silly questions. :-)

The law is Entropy always increases in a closed system The earth is not a closed system nor are nebulae (where stars are born) the only closed system that we know of is the universe BUT if there are other closed systems then the second law would apply there too

Energy always wants to dissipate, but you can, in some cases, capture some of the energy while it is dissipating and use the captured energy to create something. This is how combustion engines work. Or, for example , the energy being released by a river which is dissolving the ordered ice crystals of a glacier back into free-flowing water molecules can be captured to produce usable electricity. We are, actually, grabbing some energy in the process of entropy, and TEMPORARILY using it to build something, giving a momentary illusion that we are creating order from disorder, but in reality, even our efforts to do so burn more energy, and eventually (actually almost instantaneously - it just seems like a long time because our lives are so short) our creations which we thought were so marvelous and eternal succumb to the very same entropy as everything else does. The pyramids of Egypt will eventually be smashed into a near-microscopic sliver of compressed ancient rock. The whole of industrial civilization will someday just be a super thin layer of stratigraphy which, if we're extremely lucky, may be discovered by some future (and more evolved) form of hominin geologist. 10, 000 years - which is the entire lifetime of all human civilization as we know it - doesn't make more than a very very thin layer of stratigraphy, after the Earth gets done processing it for another couple of billion years. The fact that you can build a car from spare parts is certainly not proof of defying entropy, but rather more evidence of the truth of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

@@YogiMcCaw I never claimed that building a car out of spare parts is defying entropy *if we consider our system to be the universe at large*, since, for those processes to even take place, they must by necessity increase the entropy of the universe. However, yes, if we define the thermodynamic system as some arbitrary local bubble, it is absolutely "defying" entropy. Also, the former half of your argument in no way substantiates the latter; if, somehow, preserving the pyramids of Egypt was more thermodynamically beneficient than their succumbing to the natural processes of the Earth, ie perhaps the processes we use to do so might reduce local entropy at the cost of increasing the overall entropy of the universe, then they wouldn't necessarily crumble.

​@@Hundredyacrewoods and how exactly, do we know that the universe is a closed system? we are observing through an electromagnetic spectrum that we just recently came to fully be able to observe, and don't even fully understand the fundamental laws of what appears to be our universe, let alone want me to be the entire universe, or multiverse, at Large. I fully believe we are significantly far away from fully comprehending the true nature of the universe, and, my personal understandings of the potential implications of the understanding of quantum physics we currently have a side, there is literally an untapped power source in the form of zero point energy, or, if you prefer, the vacuum energy of the universe, that could potentially allow us to exist in a cold, dark, universe, not if, but WHEN we tap it (if we manage not to accidentally destroy ourselves first, and that isn't even counting the ridiculous rate at which the evolution of our intelligence and consciousness seems to be exponentially, or maybe even logarithmically, increasing, over time.

It beats TLCscovery and the fat people show

water is wet

@@russianbot8423 Not all the time....

@@russianbot8423 or is it? First let's define what 'wet' means...

wow deeeeep

@@michac.8283 "Covered or saturated by water or another liquid" Liquids can't be wet, they do the wetting. Have a good day, sir.

It's probably a very specific thing to mention, but a lot of documentaries annoyed me with their audio work - they had loud noises or anxiety-inducing music out of nowhere right after quiet parts. But the videos here have been perfect in terms of audio.

@Nelson Swanberg thanks

I see the correlation between the arrow of time and entropy, since when time goes forward, tornadoes don't create homes, and dough wont separate into flour, water, eggs, yeast and salt. But is it a constant? I don't know. Plus, when you get to the quantum nature of particles, since everything is conserved, there appears no difference between a particle going back or forward in time, as long as energy and momentum is conserved. It seems like entropy = times direction, since things go from high to low energy, ordered to mixed up.

Careful. Theories are not facts! These guesses could be totally wrong, just like Greek mythology was. We are dumb apes, open your eyes. We have no clue, none of us.

Lex Fridman's podcast has enough intellectually stimulating, rich, and thought provoking content to lead to quite the binge as well- If you've never checked him out, you're welcome!

Nooooooo! Lol

good one. thinking by analogy is a double-edge sword that sometimes lays on its flat side, so don’t try too hard or else ...

I think someone attributed that to Groucho Marx.

Fruit stand but we remain seated.

I see what you did there ☺️

It was uploaded only 8 days ago.

@@christopherwalsh7700 8 days too many. Also, I was speaking in terms of the channel

The entropy levels of the UKposts algorithm are too high for it to recommend this video sooner.

Acutally 100 billion trillion years.

@@TheDeadmanTT glad i brought a book with me

Wack

Imagine staring at the end of everything you've ever loved, everything that has ever been... ... and instead of fading away, it says - no.

I know, I hate that.

Thanks

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Thank you for the incredible read.

That was quite the trip, but therefore is it correct to say that the idea of a Boltzmann Brain is the same/similar to Last-Thursdayism?

​@@rga1605 I never could get the hang of Thursdays. Yes, there is a very similar concept at play in both. Our experience is completely information sent to the processing part of our brain. Whether that information is from sensory organs, the memory portion of the brain, or is entirely artificial, it's just information and we have no way of telling it apart. With both Boltzman Brain and Last Thursdayism, false memory and sensory data is produced as if it had existed previously. The main differences are that a Boltzman Brain only exists for a moment and is due to the quantum randomness expected across infinite time; meanwhile Last Thursdayism is just reality coming into existence with pre-formed memory and it is intentional.

@Train 2noplace I'm afraid psychology isn't something I know all that well so I'm probably not him. Glad you enjoyed my comment.

my favorite thing about the process is tending to it, and prolonging the inevitable decay by supplying new order and structure for the swirling tendrils to devour. the inert state of matter chosen as fuel is relatively stable, and can be considered for all intents and purposes already in an unchanging steady state... until the blazing, yearning maw consumes it. sometimes over the span of seconds, sometimes minutes, sometimes hours, the newly deposited fuel source is torn asunder as the sustained chain reaction of entropic decay slowly consumes the system in a glorious blaze of inevitability. nothing I can do will change the thermodynamics at play, i can hardly change the direction the smoke drifts let alone how much is produced or how quickly. the one who tends the flame does so only as adjutant and passive observer; to wield the fundamental forces as a weapon is no more feasible for mortal beings than to attempt to conquer death itself. so it is that as each freshly chopped log falls into the crackling pit in my care, i behold a system of primordial beauty in it's simplest and most readily available form. i stare into the microcosm which foretells the collapse of star systems and galaxies; the sputtering flames of a dying star may yield a cataclysmic eruption of scales unimaginably greater than the simple flame before me, but inevitability and the constant procession of time towards an eventual new steady-state remains identical. each log added extends the inescapable singularity that is maximum entropy, when cold silence takes over and the once roaring flames become energetic ghosts shrouded in clues by the inert ashes scattered about. it is a fascinating and beautiful process, one that keeps me captivated and always eager to experience again, that i might serve as guide and caretaker to the sacred ritual. i really think i understand why our ancestors found such spiritual meaning in fires, and not just because of the obvious paleolithic association with basic survival and food preparation. it's a window of introspection and insight into our shared fate with all aspects of creation, and an opportunity to render respect and compassion to all who find themselves caught in the endless march of time. you cannot avoid death, nor stave off suffering and disorder, but you can act pre-emptively and guide the process towards that inevitable conclusion with grace and mercy. death need not be a looming specter we flee from in adrenaline fueled frenzy as the internal wave-function of our perception collapses into a hyper-dense psychological black hole of fight or flight due to the catalytic gravity of fear. with each crumbling, ash-covered log breaking apart to yield ever more of it's stored potential energy to the licking flames, the heat generated can be harnessed and used for compassionate purposes- it is equally life-giving as it is destructive. how beautiful! I feel such gratitude and peace when i behold the self-devouring serpent, the ouroboros coiled neatly in the confines of the little altar erected to contain it; the blazing heat of it's presence drives away the supplicant, for none can penetrate the wall of radiation both created by and sustained in the teleological pull of the snake's relentless pursuit of reunion and self-annihilation. the architect of the snake's journey are the same fundamental forces which are brought meaning by it's eternal dance. though, perhaps if this video and indeed many modern physicists are to be trusted, the dance is not eternal at all, but has an end and final conclusion from which no order can ever be formed ever again. when the orange and yellow hues dance and flicker across the outline of smoldering logs in the flame under my care, i never doubt for a second that the flame will eventually succumb to it's fate inscribed by the immutable laws of entropy, but neither do i perceive a void from which the absence of meaning is pulled backwards out of the screaming abyss of un-creation. yes, death is sad and scary, this is just as immutable as any other natural or physical law; our egos and the psychological infrastructure that gives them purpose and definition will always regard their own dissolution and collapse as being the icy embrace which seems to be the fate of all creation in the coming trillions upon trillions of years yet to come. but the collapse of matter into a lifeless, inert state is not the true absence of meaning at all. the illusion of meaning based on corporality is rooted firmly in control and domination, which are aspects of our physical consciousness long since evolved to protect us from the ravages of a seemingly uncaring natural world devoid of compassion and mercy. to see existence in such a way is natural, and by no means illogical or short-sighted. we are, in fact, programmed to perceive the world in that exact manner, and the subsequent causal gravitas serves as sufficiently compelling force to set all manner of human behavior and activity into the combusting state- the flames travel across the whole breadth of our physiological and psychological bodies, slowly eating them away as the old is unshackled and the new solidifies into place. the weight of our decisions carry causal impact that knocks billiard balls of innumerable consequences into motion that cascade forever into newer and more alien states to what had come before. from life there is death, and from death there is life- perhaps not for us to claim or dominate, but to be inherited implicitly by whatever comes after nonetheless. thanks for coming to my TED talk, i hope it was pleasurable to read, haha. I'm going to stop here before i keep writing this story for the next hour, peace.

I think you go the memo on that one!

time is simply change. stop change and you cant tell if time exists anymore, thats because it doesnt

@@bntagkas But you cant stop change. Even the universe will fall Dark for all Stars will die. You can never stop change because you can never stop Time.

**sad woof**

Give the universe belly rubs y'all! :D

Dude NO! I had a close call with my pup last night and I put on some soothing music and just stared in her eyes as the meds the vet gave her for pain took over and I felt like we both had this out of body experience that I could not even begin to explain, I finally snapped out of it and just felt at peace for whatever was going to happen. It was probably just my brain trying to get me to cope with everythings inevitable end or beginning. P.S. she is doing better she had a false pregnancy, still not 100% but way better than she was.

Made me lol. 😆

Boltzmann brains just refers to a super advanced civilization that even the term "Magic" doesn't do justice to what they are capable of doing. They can alter the laws of physics on a whim, create universes, multiverses, etc,. If that theory is true, that means our universe is jusf one of many universes that the Boltzmann tremendously advanced society is experimenting on - for their own goals; and honestly - for their entertainment.

Ana tha, very nice name by the way, completely 500 per cent agreed!!

Not one ape knows much about reality and laws of nature. Only whatever pathetic info we can understand with our extremely underdeveloped brain. Your ego is too big, we actually have zero clue.

Are you buying into these "theories"? I'd wait until those are proven facts. Otherwise, might open a Greek mythology book and believe in that. Or that some dude born a bаstаrd 2 thousands of years ago created this Universe. Give me a fuсking break 😂

I have thought about this a lot for pretty much as long as I can remember. At first it was just based on the thought that if we can dream, how do we know this isn't a dream? But as I got older it changed to thoughts about how ultimately, every sense you have is just information being processed into something tangible by your brain. Which means all it takes is a brain that THINKS something exists, for you to feel every sense imaginable. Pain, smell, sight, hearing, and more. We have no way of knowing that we are in the universe we believe we are. We may have bodies elsewhere. Or we may just be brains. Or we may be computers. Or we may be something that we, within this universe, can't even comprehend. After all, different realities follow different rules. We're even superimposing our own rules to even use words like "reality" and "existence." Existence is a circular thing. It's a concept that can only exist if anything exists at all. Existence must come into existence... in order to exist. It's possible that if there is, was, or will be something else other than our own universe, it wouldn't actually EXIST. As that is a concept unique to our reality.

I think Lee Smolin has an idea like that.

If the universe is electric you can get rid of dark matter and dark energy completely.

@@EmeraldEyesEsoteric it's not.

yea bc it's all on the individual level, to see the truth is to wake up from a dream you can't fall back asleep to. and "the truth is stranger than fiction".

OH, another "hitchhiker's" afficionado. these people claim to be so smart but they don't know the TRUE answer to everything is 42! so what's the big mystery? i love these shows and this subject. and i have a different take on it entirely. (well, not entirely.) entropy doesn't indicate the "arrow" of time. there's no absolute, single direction of time. time is indicated through physical motion; movement. and the motion can be percieved in "reverse" as well as forward. ask yourself this question: which came first, the big bang or the start of time? the answer is simple - time started BEFORE the big bang. the big bang was merely the physical expansion of the universe. expansion is motion/movement and without time motion is impossible. so who's to say the big bang isn't the beginning of the universe but its end. if we experienced time in the "opposite" direction we wouldn't know it was moving backwards. maybe we don't realize its moving backwards now. we adapt to our perceptions of reality rather than to reality itself. if we lived in such a universe, where backwards time is "normal," our physics would indicate our "cause" as their "effect." and vice versa. or, we'd conclude that its normal for effect to precede the cause. its my contention that time has no arrow. its moving in all directions at once. just like the universe itself. (it may be possible for time to even move sideways.) its that, for whatever reason, nature has decided for our species to percieve the passage of time moving in this direction. so, put that in your pipe and smoke it till the end of time - which just may be BEFORE the big bang itself, where all movement and all trime ceases to exist.

@@darionirwin4138 ... man, sounds like fun. reincarnartion really sucks uh? how do you know you're not being reincarnated backwards, towards the beginning of time rather than towards its end? you just demonstrated the end is just a new HORRIFIC beginning. like an endless circle. how do you know where the circle begins or where it ends? or, what direction its going. naw, i like my fantasy better. its at least logical rather than fanciful.

@@cjmacq-vg8um because how could you be anyone but yourself

@@cjmacq-vg8um it doesn't have to be horrific if you can just positively embrace the moment fully, that' why its a circle you're trying to learn to live fully as a human without thinking so much

no worries, if you are a boltzmann brain you only persist for a single moment. the way he described it was slightly strange. you wouldn't be a fully functional human brain. you'd just be the electrochemical relationship that a human brain would create to have your current experience. your memories and perception of the current moment would be an illusion of your configuration, and in the next moment you'd dissipate and cease to be conscious

@@DevinDTV You forget infinity. It is astronomical unlikely to form a Boltzmann Brain in the void for just a single moment. It is even more unlikly that this brain would persist for several moments. But, infinite time...

Great comment. Unsettling thought.

@@DevinDTV It's actually worse than that. If Boltzmann Brains are an inevitability and far more likely than the existance of evolving life in a universe, then the existance of Boltzmann Brains within a sealed cacoon of sorts, together with warm flowing blood and an external but attached heat source, say decaying uranium isotope, is also inevitable. They would be less likely than a Boltzmann Brain appearing within a vacuum, but still inevitable. Such Boltzmann Brains could live for hours, days or weeks and experience an array of thoughts and emotions.... It's crazy stuff!

It doesn't matter. If reality is an illusion, it's still reality. It's the same thing you've come to know. Let me put it like this... What if you spent your entire life believing reality was an illusion. What if you spent your whole life believing that reality is the result of a brain floating in a realityless plane, but then one day, you found out that's not the case. Instead, reality is inside the plane you believed you were floating through, and is not the result of your brain, but rather your brain a result of it. In otherwords.. what if you found out that reality was exactly as you in this reality believe it to be? If you spent your whole life believing your reality requires a brain making an illusion in a space where reality does not exist, you'd say the same thing. "So reality isn't real? I don't exist?" But it is real, and you do. It is just not in quite the same way you previously thought. As long as things are perceived, things are real. As long as they are real, they are reality. Whether your reality is a result of a brain somewhere else, or your brain is the result of a reality right here... It's just as real either way.

also starlord's father was a boltzmann brain

Well said, Max!

So two idiots were talking to each other about things they are completely clueless about. That's everyday life, kid. Why are you telling such boring stories? Don't you have better ones? ;-)

The good thing about theoretical physics is that you don't need to be a scientist to have a fun conversation about it. Even if you have no idea how the world works, you can still try your hand at figuring it out. I like to think I'm decently knowledgeable on physics, but honestly, I'm probably not. I probably get most of my facts wrong. But that's okay, because I have fun thinking and talking about it, and the people around me often do too. I come up with my own ideas of how many things may work... and probably, none of them are correct. That's fine by me, because that's the whole wonder of science. There's always so much to learn. It never ends, no matter what level you're at.

@@catpoke9557 Armchair players are always the greatest. They win every game. ;-)

@@schmetterling4477 Haha... Well, that's why I wouldn't bother getting into a debate with someone if they're actually qualified. I suppose if it's two people who don't know what they're talking about it's fine... if a little pointless... but at least you're on an even playing field. I don't think 'armchair scientists' should be debating actual scientists. 9 times out of 10, the scientist is going to be correct and you're just going to be sitting there believing you're right.

Saint Augustine wasn’t alone over the centuries as a man of the cloth and a man of science *and* a philosopher all in one guy. One example is monk Mendel who figured out rudimentary genetics by crossbreeding peapod flowers. The Church in its former position of power over almost everyone, strenuously opposed Galileo because he had the audacity to suggest that Earth is *not* the center of the universe, nor is the Earth’s sun. That certainly seems more driven by human ego than an unfalsifiable divine fiat.

You know that the words Constant and Ever-Changing are antonyms right?

@@gregoryfenn1462 should I use _persistent_ instead? What I mean by that is that it does not seem to ever end. What I mean by _ever-changing_ is simply the fact that a supposed _beginning of time_ would not begin until a motion or movement (change) occurs. That is, if there is a such thing as the beginning of time. Otherwise, the past and future are eternal. This is even more enlightening because _if_ we dwell in the midst of eternity, then the chances of being in the _here & now_ would be 1 out of infinite (impossible) if our duration is limited in any way. It would be more likely that we've always been and always will be _if_ there is no beginning or end to reality.

I'm sure you meant a big jam donut.

@@davidgalloway266 That was Whistler's. 😉

@Pouty MacPotatohead Time is a vector, space has no properties. Time and space are measures of magnitudes. Space Time is a delusional explanation of mathematical equations. Equations are not explanations.

@Pouty MacPotatoheadspace keeps nothing apart, thats an attribute that depends on other objects to be an attribute, like a shadow. Again space has no properties. Equations do not describe anything they project outcomes. The incas had fantastically advanced ways of calculating movements of celestial bodies, their explanations for the movements are comical now. Math is not an explanation, space has no properties, time is a vector.

@Pouty MacPotatoheadI did and am arguing my case. Magnetism is what gives magnitude to everything, magnetism is what creates space and keeps things apart. Space is not a thing. We have atmosphere between us here, but in the nothingness of space there is nothingness that impacts nothing. That's why objects will go at a continuous rate in space, space has no properties to act upon said object.

@Pouty MacPotatoheadmagnetism is what keeps celestial bodies apart. When the flip side dielectric is in effect we observe gravity.

@Pouty MacPotatoheadnah that's all c.p. steinmetz I'm not that smart. Science is a religion now. Like how space has doesn't slow down an object in motion yet it keeps objects apart. We're not allowed to even question it or we're deemed weird, conspiracy theorists, or ignorant. I am willing to learn though. I got a lot of what I believe from steinmetz book on light and radiation, if you have any suggested readings please drop the titles.

Most theories are just theories. We can't even proof evolution of life on Earth 😂 There were also theories that Zeus existed 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️ We are still stuрid apes, we can't even do weight loss right. Are you trusting these "theories"? No proof, it's guess work at best 😂🤣😂

Make sure to check out their other channels, like for example History of the Earth, which is a bit more down to... Earth!

@@wyqtor thanks a lot Sir!, didnt knew about the other channels until now. Have a good one!

"the annals of rome"- TACITUS = lifechanging

Yet, all theoretical. Not proven. Just like Greek mythology back in the day. We are still animals and just don't have any clue!