Why do Computers get Slower with Age? Top 5 fixes YOU can do!

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What causes older computers to get slower over time? Can the process be reversed? A retired Microsoft operating systems engineer explains the insider perspective on how and why, and what can be done about it!
Slow computer? Old computer? Find out the Top 5 things you can do to fix a slow computer now.
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0:00 - Intro
0:29 - Why Computers slow down
4:06 - Tip #1: Unused Software Bloat
5:51 - Tip #2: Software Updates
7:13 - Tip #3: Startup Apps and Services
9:10 - Bonus Tip: Storage Device Problems
11:10 - Tip #4: System Cleaning & Hygiene
13:20 - Bonus Tip 2: Proper Malware Removal
14:10 - Tip #5: System File Repair
15:02 - Outro

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@telefrag93551
@telefrag93551 2 роки тому
Dave casually mentions that he created task manager as a side project and blows everyone’s collective mind
@dazaspc
@dazaspc 2 роки тому
He makes sure we wont forget it actually but that's ok
@drooplug
@drooplug 2 роки тому
Task manager was my favorite thing about NT4.
@MistahHeffo
@MistahHeffo 2 роки тому
You must be new here 😉
@axelBr1
@axelBr1 2 роки тому
Such a basic requirement of a multitasking OS (Windows can't really be considered a multiuser OS) it's stunning that M$ didn't include some sort of task manager as a basic feature.
@paulmichaelfreedman8334
@paulmichaelfreedman8334 2 роки тому
@@axelBr1 I remember windows 95/98's task manager, it was great!
@AoiKaze2000
@AoiKaze2000 Рік тому
Single biggest performance increase I have seen on older machines is replacing any magnetic disk with an SSD. That one change can extend the usable lifespan of the machine for several years, especially if you also max out the amount of RAM that the motherboard can support.
@StefenTower
@StefenTower Рік тому
I've found that this, combined with a CPU upgrade, made my 12-year laptop seem much, much younger and snappy.
@DutchTiger1981
@DutchTiger1981 Рік тому
I just did this! From my 6 year old laptop I replaced the ram from 8gb to 16gb and tomorrow I’ll get nvm ssd!
@macethorns1168
@macethorns1168 Рік тому
You're not wrong, but W10 is simply unusable on spinning rust. Windows 7 and earlier were *not* that way, even current Linux distros aren't that way.
@karlosh9286
@karlosh9286 Рік тому
I totally agree ! My youngest daughter has her big sister's 2012 Macbook. Big Sister said it was too slow. An SSD Sata drive and maxing out the RAM means it is still usable in 2022 ! The amount of people machines where I've said replace the HDD with an SSD , and they've been happy afterwards, is quite a few.
@smacksman1
@smacksman1 Рік тому
If the SSD does not come with cloning software then be prepared to buy such software to copy over your old HD data to the new SSD. I did not have much success with free cloning software.
@faisalahmad2445
@faisalahmad2445 9 місяців тому
As someone who grew up with xp the format option is what we did all the time. It's strange that you mention it as a last resort. We formatted our computers so much we memorized the service pack 2 key. Lol
@ccbarr58
@ccbarr58 2 місяці тому
❤ xp
@mr_noodler
@mr_noodler 11 місяців тому
Dave is a walking talking technical computer encyclopedia, I love listening to his knowledge, experience, and opinions
@zochbuppet448
@zochbuppet448 10 місяців тому
It's all well known information. Absolutely nothing new. 20 years ago we used to get this info in online articles
@mr_noodler
@mr_noodler 10 місяців тому
@@zochbuppet448 L+Ratio, you’re super jealous lol
@zochbuppet448
@zochbuppet448 10 місяців тому
How old are you 12 going on 30. That line is extremely over used. Are you able to think for yourself, or does everything you think and do comes from what you read on UKposts
@akulkis
@akulkis 8 місяців тому
It's too bad he went to work for such a shitty company which should have been shut down under RICO laws 30 years ago.
@SpaceCadet4Jesus
@SpaceCadet4Jesus 8 місяців тому
He's inexperienced. He says that dust and clogged fans causing heat throttling is the only way he knows that hardware can slow with age. This is so false and the incorrect assumption that software is nearly always the culprit.
@bruceboettcher9977
@bruceboettcher9977 Рік тому
Speaking as an experienced teacher, I have to say that this is an excellent instructive video. Very fast paced, but easy to listen to. Clear, direct and understandable. I think I actually got 90% of it on the first pass. No annoying music or distracting graphics. I will definitely be turning in often. Gigathanks.
@TroyQwert
@TroyQwert Рік тому
See, Bruce, you're an experienced teacher with English as your mother tongue and you caught only 90% and you require at least a second pass. English for me is not even the second language. Though I caught everything on the first pass and that's all that you mentioned: fast paced, no annoying music or distracting graphics. But what was it I was expecting to see? To hear, rather... from a guy who worked for Microsoft? All I heard is available online in Google.
@frisbeepilot
@frisbeepilot Рік тому
@@TroyQwert "In Google"? Google is merely a tool through which to access information from other sources, some of which might be unreliable or outdated. From this video, I got a bunch of reliable information from a person who I **know** knows this software inside and out. I've learned a bunch of it before, as someone who maintains dozens of old computers in a high school and who's trying to squeeze the last bit of life out of them, so I've definitely searched high and low for tips like this. But I still felt this was a good use of my time because I learned some extra details about *why* things work the way they do, which deepens my understanding (and makes me better at my job).
@TroyQwert
@TroyQwert Рік тому
@@frisbeepilot, good for you! Way to go!
@F30_Hellion
@F30_Hellion 10 місяців тому
@@TroyQwert Isn't pretty much everything on UKposts also found on Google so what's your point?
@colindeer9657
@colindeer9657 10 місяців тому
Completely agree with you @bruce
@ZippletTech
@ZippletTech 2 роки тому
All good tips here. I'd also add: - If the hard drive is mechanical replace it with an SSD - Run CrystalDiskInfo and make sure none of your drives are on the way out. Slow storage is a performance killer and might lead to data loss - If the machine is a high end (gaming, workstation) machine with a heavy cpu heatsink - redo the thermal paste if you haven't touched it for years. Should help with those boost clocks. Especially if the machine has been transported, which might cause the old paste to crack if it has dried out. - DO NOT neglect fans on laptops. Get them cleaned out
@QualityDoggo
@QualityDoggo 2 роки тому
CrystalDiskInfo is good. More BIOS/UEFI bootups should include SMART-status checks imho... the ones that automatically warn of failing drives at boot up are awesome. Also, tools that can run the drive's SMART-Self-Test (I like partedmagic) are even better if you're doing offline diagnostics but rarely needed.
@idjtoal
@idjtoal 2 роки тому
SSD and maxing out the RAM are huge improvements. If the motherboard has PCIe, try an NVMe disk in an adapter card, make sure it's an x4 adapter, not x1. Might not be able to boot from it, depending on the BIOS, but it'll be faster than a SATA-connected SSD. Larger NVMe sticks are faster than smaller ones, also.
@dannygjk
@dannygjk 2 роки тому
I saw discouraging stuff about SSD's on YT but I suppose I'll have to drag myself out of my cave eventually and get one. Some software even requires an SSD now.
@idjtoal
@idjtoal 2 роки тому
@@dannygjk They're worth the $, imho, about 10x the speed of hdd, on my old systems. Leave some unassigned blocks and make sure partitions are "aligned," start on evenly divisible sectors, basically. I usually just specify start points at multiples of a gig.
@johngillanders9694
@johngillanders9694 2 роки тому
@@dannygjk they are totally worth it. Can even turn an old machine into a nice snappy one again for all various common tasks like web browsing, email, office tasks etc. For gaming or other 3D or heaving high-res video performance the graphics card will be a major factor too, of course.
@guitar1950
@guitar1950 5 місяців тому
Good info. I find these are the most important: 1. Updates; Windows, browsers, apps. 2. RAM ; adding some RAM may improve speed. 3. hard drive space; some of my users I support save too much on the C drive and it gets full. 4. Malware. Many users don't pay any attention to these.
@Niiixxxx
@Niiixxxx 2 місяці тому
True re the RAM. First machine I had was a loan from brother in law a 486 DX-66 with 4MB RAM and a 200MB hard drive. Once I installed Windows 95 on it, it had about 35MB space left and I had to constantly install and uninstall games to play them. Put in a CD-Reader and another 4MB RAM and a second hard drive and I was in heaven. LOL.
@TylerTMG
@TylerTMG 18 днів тому
​@@Niiixxxxmassive boost :p
@crinolynneendymion8755
@crinolynneendymion8755 3 дні тому
5. Install Linux over Windows.
@SebaOPL
@SebaOPL 10 місяців тому
Dave, there's a third scenario to why I watched that video. I came across your channel a few weeks ago after you published a video on Task Manager. After I watched it, I opened another one, about pointers. Your channel is absolutely fantastic. I hope you're having as much fun doing these videos as we do watching them. I missed such content here on YT🎉
@mep1624
@mep1624 2 роки тому
“Real computers don’t get slow, they get relegated to full time Space Invader platforms”
@crankshaft3612
@crankshaft3612 2 роки тому
Most laptops arn't evn good boat anchors.
@Ndqar
@Ndqar 2 роки тому
Doom and Panzer II
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 2 роки тому
Like my Amber PET! :-)
@johngillanders9694
@johngillanders9694 2 роки тому
Yes, Batocera Linux is an excellent way to turn an old machine into a retro gaming console.
@Vant1ca
@Vant1ca Рік тому
@@johngillanders9694 for all who do not like Linux and his thousands of forks and clones - you may try out Android x86 :) i used it on an old Phenom X4 and it runs fast and stable
@wayland7150
@wayland7150 2 роки тому
Some examples of hardware slowing down; Your computer may have been tuned in the BIOS, XMP for example and then the BIOS gets reset to default values. Your SSD is too full so it has to do extra work to find space to save new data. A component may actually be failing but the computer is hiding the retries so it simply seems slow. You may require the correct driver which has been removed at some point and now the computer is making do with a basic driver. I found a user had been using a machine with the wrong network driver which gave them a 100mbps network when it should have been 1000. They also were using the Windows VGA driver when the graphics had a much better driver available. If they were a gamer they would have not been able to game but all that really happened is the computer felt slower to use.
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 2 роки тому
Ohh! I like the XMP revert. Wish I'd thought of that. Same with overprovisioning on the SSD.
@crankshaft3612
@crankshaft3612 2 роки тому
Had that happen to me. Only discovered late at night with everything else in the office switched off. Then I could hear the drive doing retries.
@wayland7150
@wayland7150 2 роки тому
@@crankshaft3612 The dreaded sound of a hard drive doing retries.
@lloydtucker
@lloydtucker 2 роки тому
those are not retries those are screams of pain the drive is dying and begging for mercy, time for SSD
@colloidalsilverwater15ppm88
@colloidalsilverwater15ppm88 Рік тому
Is anybody mentioned bloating of files, and how to debloat them?
@MMOchAForPrez
@MMOchAForPrez 11 місяців тому
It's really amusing to see the amount of interest in something that has become so ubiquitous, yet mundane. The windows operating system. Your channel is a treasure trove for information and entertainment for pertaining to all of the little thoughts and questions that pop into my head while using my PC. Thanks for all of your hard work throughout the years!
@encycl07pedia-
@encycl07pedia- 9 місяців тому
You must not have been around in the late 1990s. Windows' market share is down to 68%. Back then it was over 95%. Nadella has ruined Microsoft.
@MathieuPrevot
@MathieuPrevot 5 місяців тому
3:27 eventually HDD can also cumulate failing sectors and slow down, because the HDD is trying to read more that usual a hard to read sector.
@TheHilariousGoldenChariot
@TheHilariousGoldenChariot 3 місяці тому
Specifically this is what I was wondering.
@elerius2
@elerius2 2 роки тому
Bonus bonus item: clean the physical machine. If the heatsink for your GPU or CPU is covered in a blanket of dust, you might encounter thermal throttling. Blowing that dust off can actually make your computer faster.
@crankshaft3612
@crankshaft3612 2 роки тому
I keep the cold packs that come with my "old man" medications. I pack the laptop in them when we start each recording session (wife is a singer). Go ahead fan. Just TRY and spin. I don't care what Loiis Rossman says..
@tinkerscorner54
@tinkerscorner54 Місяць тому
Amen, Amen, Amen. I had one customer whose desktop was literally crammed full of dust stuck to layers of nicotine that I actually took the time to take pictures of while cleaning. The thing would power up but shut down from the overtempt in about 30 seconds. I used the pics to educate him on one of the other hazards of smoking and justify the additional time charged for the "Repair". And that was really all that was wrong with the unit. Once cleaned, it ran beautifully. (Many other bad cases, but that was the worst,) So many people don't realize just how much dust, cat hairs and other airborne substances that those fans suck in and how it affects performance and length of life of the system.
@publicprofilename4273
@publicprofilename4273 Рік тому
I'm really glad to have found your channel. Your the perfect middle ground. By that I mean, you don't dumb things down so far, that I feel like I'm in a 3rd grade classroom, however, you don't use so much technical jargon that I have no hope of ever following a single sentence you speak. Kudos for finding the happy space for folks like me. I've got enough experience with PC and other technology, that I can't be called a novice, or beginner, but I'm not at the master, or expert level either, not by a mile lol. I find your way of explaining things absolutely perfect for the way I comprehend them, and I don't feel like an idiot after watching your videos. Like I said, I'm very glad to have ran into your channel, you get my thumb and my sub, and regular interaction from here on out. Great content, thank you for it!
@colindeer9657
@colindeer9657 10 місяців тому
A brilliant session. Very well presented. I got so much from this too. We have such a machine in our family collection. You have prompted me to become rather thorough in my work to improve its performance. Much gratitude to you for jogging me into action and superbly providing me with a master class. Cheers
@anyone9689
@anyone9689 6 місяців тому
hi just upgrade to a ssd if you dont have one , a 1tb drive is down to 60 bucks last i looked . you will be amazed at the speed difference.
@life.in.the.slow_lane
@life.in.the.slow_lane 11 місяців тому
I just discovered this channel and after watching only this video, I already love the content. And enjoying Dave's voice! 😊 I'm obsessed about keeping my computers "clean" so this was a useful information. I must add that I had already done all of the stuff mentioned in this video. I'm a computer hoarder! I refuse to throw away my old laptops. 😄 Even though I'm not a computer technician by any means, I keep cleaning and updating all my laptops and desktops in the house. Dave, you should be a book narrator with such a pleasant voice!
@julieredmon1521
@julieredmon1521 Рік тому
This is the first time I've even seen one of your videos and I'm impressed. Extremely articulate, well spoken, and obviously very knowledgeable. Thanks for the info. Will try this on my older secondary desktop.
@guitarszen
@guitarszen Рік тому
He is pushing Windoze. It is rookie stuff.
@matth.imaging8952
@matth.imaging8952 2 роки тому
#1 upgrade for an older computer is: replace the HDD with an SSD.
@alm3333
@alm3333 2 роки тому
Many moons ago I would speed up PCs by upgrading hard drives for people.
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 2 роки тому
Yup, that's actually what I had to do for my wife's iMac. Had a "fusion" drive, but thanks to thunderbolt I was able to install a fast external ssd!
@crankshaft3612
@crankshaft3612 2 роки тому
Sure but SSD's have a limited life span. Prepare to image and replace.
@alm3333
@alm3333 2 роки тому
@@crankshaft3612 so do spinning platters of rust. Motor bearings die. Integrated electronics cease to function. It's a crap shoot. But yeah, SSDs die too.
@ImNotADeeJay
@ImNotADeeJay 2 роки тому
@@crankshaft3612 I bought my SSD in 2012, still using it after ten years. If you don't write a lot of data on them, they can last for ages, specially the SLC ones.
@skipintro6572
@skipintro6572 10 місяців тому
Great video; a lot of technical information provided in an understandable format. Very watchable.
@johandavid9774
@johandavid9774 10 місяців тому
I just saw your task manager video and started watching these older videos. I feel like I have struck a gold mine! Thanks you for doing thse videos.
@geehaf
@geehaf 2 роки тому
Great solid top level advice Dave. And yes, in your opener I have been that person having to try and speed up relatives PCs. My favourites are 1) disable all but the necessary start-up items and 2) convince them to use Windows Defender and ditch 3rd party offerings. My other trick is to turn up with an SSD as a "present" and amaze them with the speed improvement after imaging the C: drive to the SSD. Love your work.
@leobottaro
@leobottaro 2 роки тому
Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 0:29 - Why Computers slows down 4:06 - Tip #1: Unused Software Bloat 5:51 - Tip #2: Software Updates 7:13 - Tip #3: Startup Apps and Services 9:10 - Bonus Tip: Storage Device Problems 11:10 - Tip #4: System Cleaning & Hygiene 13:20 - Bonus Tip: Proper Malware Removal 14:10 - Tip #5: System File Repair 15:02 - Outro
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 2 роки тому
Thanks! I'll add them to the desc!
@MrRozburn
@MrRozburn 2 роки тому
@@DavesGarage Hi Dave could you explain how file explorer calculates the size of the files in a folder. I can't seem to replicate it without recursively summing the file sizes in the folder. Is it possible to grab the folder size property without re-doing the work of file explorer?
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 2 роки тому
@@MrRozburn Nope! There's no "subtotal" for subfolders, so it must re-sum recursively every time you ask!
@roycsinclair
@roycsinclair 2 роки тому
@@albi2k88 First Dave did explicitly note that optical drives (i.e. CDs, DVDs and BlueRay) are a very different animal but since you are unlikely to be running slow because of an optical drive it's rather moot anyway. I'm pretty sure that most drives use variable geometry too but as someone else noted: just replace them with SSDs (which use less power!) and leave the rotating media in it's slow-lane past. All of the older computers that I replaced their rotating disks with SSDs seem to be a lot faster after the switch.
@qazyguy
@qazyguy Рік тому
Dude, just Install Linux!
@prophetsofpraise5206
@prophetsofpraise5206 3 місяці тому
thank you so much for your experience and information in this area. Much appreciated!
@allendye8138
@allendye8138 8 місяців тому
Just stumbled accross this and found it all really fascinating and well presented. Happy to discover at the end a bit of your background. You must have known my Father's brother Ken Dye who ran the MS usability lab in the 90's. He was a wonderful, beloved uncle who passed away early last year.
@trentonbennettVO
@trentonbennettVO Рік тому
Hi Dave! New subscriber, glad you're here. Just for fun I thought I'd mention one other way that hardware can degrade over time--the breakdown of thermal compound on the CPU/GPU. Granted, that's beyond the scope of most folks and your system suggestions here are top-notch. :) Thanks for this video!
@jeffreyryan7671
@jeffreyryan7671 Рік тому
Quite true, cleaning off the old and putting on fresh can help, but usually you don't notice till after the computer warms up. When that does happen, it's a good idea to clean the fans and blow out the dust too. I have 2 cats, needs to be done more often!
@TheThriven
@TheThriven Рік тому
100%. So many laptop/PC's I see people buy are put in cold areas and left off which causes the cheap thermal grease to dry out. Removing the old grease and using a higher quality grease that doesn't dry out is the solution.
@Sergmanny46
@Sergmanny46 10 місяців тому
Nothing that can't be done by the average person. Anyone with 2 hands and a screwdriver should be able to open their PC case and clean their fans/check the state of the thermal paste and clean/readd new paste if necessary. If you are capable of cleaning your house, you-re capable of cleaning your PC, arguably one of your most valuable posession.
@lkeil84
@lkeil84 Рік тому
I agree with replacing the old mechanical drive with an SSD. I run several old machines including laptops. The single most important thing I did for speed was to swap to an SSD in each of them. Those old computers would take 3 or more minutes to start up and several more to become useable. Each one now starts and is perfectly useable within 30 seconds and everything loads 10 times faster.
@RonLarhz
@RonLarhz Рік тому
My kingston ssd feel slower now after 1 year of mild usage (mostly for watching videos)
@128Gigabytes
@128Gigabytes Рік тому
@@satunnainenkatselija4478 What are you talking about
@Silverhazey_
@Silverhazey_ 10 місяців тому
@@satunnainenkatselija4478 If your PC takes that long to boot your boot drive and or CPU must be complete trash. Also, as noted in this video you could have way too many startup programs. I have a Gen 3 NVME SSD with a Ryzen 7600 with Windows 11 and my boot time is about 15-20 seconds from BIOS splash screen to all startup programs opening. Your PC or OS install has some major issues.
@filipkohout4704
@filipkohout4704 10 місяців тому
@@satunnainenkatselija4478 most of the times why old computers take long to boot is because the new systems are just too much for them, its not that programers just make it longer on purpose, they do the opposite actually.
@filipkohout4704
@filipkohout4704 10 місяців тому
@@Silverhazey_ thats the thing, old laptops have shit cpus for todays standarts, thats the point. You can basically revive these old PCs to run smoothly when you swap up HDD for SSD. For 99% of PC users its good enough
@der4rdi
@der4rdi 10 місяців тому
Bonus bonus tip: if Explorer seems to be getting sluggish (taking longer or even freezing up while switching folders, generating thumbnails, dragging and dropping files, etc.) there's a decent chance that your drive is in the process of failing. (Especially if you have multiple drives and these symptoms only present themselves on one of them.) The reason being that Explorer needs to wait longer while the drive retries the read operation potentially several times before either getting a result or bailing out and presenting you with an error after all.
@leecowell8165
@leecowell8165 10 місяців тому
Is that the ONLY file manager avail under windows? Does it have a split panel like Nemo or Nautilus over on linux? No probably not, huh? Doesn't windows check the drives at startup? No probably not, huh? Yeah linux is slow as hell to start but there's a reason why because it catches shit like this.
@Patrick-bn5rp
@Patrick-bn5rp 10 місяців тому
@@leecowell8165 I think windows actually has a program that scans for the health of a drive, though. Although I'm not sure if you can use it to set an alarm.
@der4rdi
@der4rdi 10 місяців тому
@@leecowell8165 I'm not aware of any current (desktop) Linux distro that performs a full bad sector scan on startup.
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 7 місяців тому
@@der4rdiThat's because that isn't the way it is done. Enable S.M.A.R.T monitoring on your drives so you know when they are failing. ZFS (as one example) on *nix actively scrubs the disk in the background looking for and repairing disk blocks that don't match their checksum.
@TishSerg
@TishSerg 3 місяці тому
​@@leecowell8165another Linups sectarian... > Is that the ONLY file manager avail under windows? Does it have a split panel like Nemo or Nautilus over on linux? No probably not, huh? Windows does have those. Even more and more functional than Linux does. Among the most widely known are FAR, Total Commander, Directory Opus... But in the latest Windows versions Explorer getting better and better. So people gradually abandon 3rd party ones. Even me, being a TC user from the time it was called Windows Commander, sometimes I prefer Explorer because it became more convenient. Compare all that to Linux distributions' native file managers. They're just trash. > Doesn't windows check the drives at startup? No probably not, huh? Probably it'll be unbelievable to you, but YES! Windows does! In case any problems are suspected be it ungraceful shutdown or a "dirty" flag in FS - Windows runs `autochk` during boot. > Yeah linux is slow as hell to start but there's a reason why because it catches shit like this. Aaaaand despite that I personally know some mates who got their storage corrupted while they use Linux distribution! I personally experienced storage corruption after Ubuntu installed updates! What an irony: neither the first nor the last I ever experienced on Windows. Just facts proving your points are bullshit.
@EnhancedNightmare
@EnhancedNightmare 10 місяців тому
Love your channel Dave. I was always fascinated by inside stories of people developing things impacting our lives and technology. Be it new type of engine or OS I sank countless hours using. Im using old machines with clean OS and I still observe a bit slowdown. I ovoid installing new software as well. This is mostly in very old ones from XP era, newer machine with win7 with high specs from 2011 still works super fast.
@xeridea
@xeridea 2 роки тому
If anyone hasn't done so already, the single biggest upgrade you can do is replace a hard drive as boot device with an SSD.
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 2 роки тому
Absolutely! If you're still rocking rotating rust, get an SSD now!
@philipramsden4975
@philipramsden4975 Рік тому
I've upgraded all my machines at work with SSDs whether they be SATA or Nvme and never hear about people complaining about their machine being slow anymore. Now I can spend more time watching Dave's videos haha
@elitedata
@elitedata Рік тому
even better is a second SSD for the PAGE file, Dave can explain why.
@leecowell8165
@leecowell8165 Рік тому
not if its running linux. do not install linux's /root /home to SSD! put each of these guys on a separate partition to a HDD instead. linux is so much faster than winX that the difference doesn't matter (linux's throughput will still be faster). there's a REASON why every server on the planet is running HDD (well almost every server is also running linux and the people managing these guys ain't stupid).
@xeridea
@xeridea Рік тому
@@leecowell8165 Clearly you are delusional. Speed differences tend to be down to the actual program implementation. There are speed differences between OS, though generally not huge, and nothing anywhere near enough to make up for HDD snailspeed. SSD can easily be 50x faster in sequential speed, where HDD are good at, and thousands of times faster in random access, where HDD are horrible at. Linux can't magically change the laws of physics. It is physically impossible for an HDD to outperform even budget SSDs. Also, every server on the planet is not running HDD. There is a server hosting platform, Linode, they have been hosting on SSDs as long as I have used them, 8 years, and not sure how long before that. Many servers still use HDD, because they are cheaper per gigabyte. Many server purposes don't require high speed data access, such as archiving, and so there is still a purpose. For many servers though, they are switching partially or exclusively to SSDs, since costs have come down. I remember going to a conference, and learned Facebook was partially switching to SSDs... this was 9 years ago. I can agree that Linux has many server advantages over Windows, but HDDs is not one of them.
@neonicacid
@neonicacid 2 роки тому
Dave - I used to use WinDirStat to map out drive contents, but I've found that WizTree is much faster. It scans the MFT of the machine instead of seemingly looping through all the files. While either will do the job, just thought I'd throw it out there in case you hadn't heard of it before. Have an awesome Friday!
@INSANEMODE616
@INSANEMODE616 2 роки тому
Treesize (free) is another alternative that I've found to be pretty fast compared to WinDirStat. Not as fast as wiztree, especially for very large drives, though. But it's another option.
@S3Kglitches
@S3Kglitches 2 роки тому
TreeSize as well
@Wingnut353
@Wingnut353 Рік тому
WinDirStat is open source... and good enough. The other alternatives are binary only distributions.
@jeffro.
@jeffro. 10 місяців тому
Thanks, Dave. This was entertaining AND informative, and confirms what I've always practiced, as well as advised orhers to do (or in many/most cases did for them). Sound advice re: "why we can rely on Windows Defender!" Keep up the awesome fun.
@Dralagon
@Dralagon 10 місяців тому
Wow! Awesome video one of the absolute best PC performance/ cleanup videos I have seen. Thank you ☺️
@SteveMasonCanada
@SteveMasonCanada Рік тому
Totally agree that Defender is all you need. Malware can be very odd. Had a case back in the 90s. A user got reprimanded for visiting a ton of porn sites. The router monitoring software said so. I knew very well she wouldn't do that at all, particularly at work. I checked the browser history, but nothing, which I expected. While I sat at her computer the monitored hits kept coming. Turns out there was some malware doing web gets to porn sites, with a referrer code in the get, to generate revenue. The content of the sites went straight to null, so no-one was the wiser.
@MrJohnyysmith
@MrJohnyysmith 6 місяців тому
I can't rely on any application from MS because they are just as likely to dump it and fail to support it. I'm thinking mostly of email programs which have gone through too many changes. And because MS thinks annoying users is a good practice. The same applies to Defender. It is apparently quite good at the moment. But a few years it went from a good above 95% detection rate of viruses etc to only 50% according to AV Comparatives. At that time AV programs had to be reliable as so many viruses were in the wild
@donaldteed35
@donaldteed35 4 місяці тому
If you never compare, you'll never know the difference. I have a desktop at work, and work remotely. Both home and work systems have Outlook opened on the same account. ESET anti virus on the home computer regularly detects phishing and malware in Outlook inbox, that the PC at work does not, which only has Defender. With some products, that could be from false indicators, but these are genuine phishing emails that are getting flagged by ESET.
@RobinEdwards1
@RobinEdwards1 7 місяців тому
A couple things to add: dried up thermal paste causing thermal throttling and needing a repaste, and system drive's coming nearer the ends of their lives and replacing them by cloning to new drives, especially new faster ones.
@leecowell8165
@leecowell8165 4 місяці тому
Why would one need a repaste? I've never heard of that! Once you're CPU is installed how in the hell is the paste gonna go to shit? If you're being throttled its being caused by some other issue.
@RobinEdwards1
@RobinEdwards1 4 місяці тому
@@leecowell8165 "I've never heard of that" You have now. It dries out. Some types faster than others. Open up a 6 year old + computer that has never had it's paste serviced and I bet the paste you find will be dry, hard and crumbly. Some of the most premium pastes dry out really fast compared the the cheaper ones, but deliver better performance that makes the cost and effort worth it, for example to recreational overclockers.
@kevinzhu5591
@kevinzhu5591 3 місяці тому
For example, a laptop cpu's thermal paste could have something called pump out effect. Due the the small direct die contact area with the cooler, the paste will during lots of heat up and cool down sessions leech out of cpu die area, which could cause thermal throttling. Also due to people carrying around them, the thermal paste could move to other places, which cause uneven contact. For desktop, if a computer is used in stress for a long time, thermal paste might became dry due to ingredients get evaporated slowly and cause uneven contact between IHS and the cooler. There are solutions for both situations, such as Honeywell's PTM7950, which is a phase changing thermal solution, it is solid at room temperature and became less vicious when heat up, the interesting part of the material is that it stays in place after cooldown and has longevity that designed for the service life of your machine, it is used in vehicles where electronic maintainence is not often. I use this thermal solution in my laptop for 2 years and so far have not seen thermal degradation. I hope this clears up some ideas that might cause thermal issues in a computer. ​@leecowell8165
@rlrudedog
@rlrudedog Рік тому
My reason for stopping by was to see what your advice would be and liking this I would watch other videos you made. This was very helpful, as back in my naval days IT Navy Recruiting HQ sent me to college, as a side experience having lack of manpower, do to downsizing, in the early 90s. I am retired and do little on computers today, but I like to keep up on new knowledge about computers/laptops. I did check like and Subscribed.
@gettingmightycrowded
@gettingmightycrowded 10 місяців тому
Great overview for us users who don't aspire to be full-on tech-heads but like to at least more-or-less understand what's going on inside the machine. Not surprised it has hit 1M views. (Maybe the only other thing Dave could have told us was that the Settings for You Tube videos allow you to turn the playback speed down to 75% - it makes Dave sound slightly intoxicated, but gives us mere mortals a chance to keep up with what he's saying !)
@serpent77
@serpent77 2 роки тому
One other option to reclaim disk space (I often do this around the same time as running chkdsk and sfc) is to run dism with the check health switches to remove any cruft I can from the sxs directory that grows to gargantuan sizes over the years as updates and patches are installed.
@rty1955
@rty1955 Рік тому
I fixed my older machine from running really slow. I removed windows and installed Linux. Now it runs super fast!
@akale2620
@akale2620 Рік тому
Lol but does anything actually work on Linux
@rty1955
@rty1955 Рік тому
@@akale2620 idk what you are using that's so special. The majority of backroom servers and internet are Linux. M$ may own the desktop, but now all you need is a browser for most things I have been using Linux for decades and NEVER had a problem. I run 7 servers at home, all Linux All the software I use is open source, FREE, and works perfectly. You might want to try it
@akale2620
@akale2620 Рік тому
@@rty1955 ohh I know servers etc run on it. But it simply didn't work for me. All we needed was to take a few printouts for family tax filing. Had win10 that never worked for me. So installed zorin os instead. Turns out the printer I have isn't supported by manufacturer in linux. The opensource drivers didn't work bcz the specific model I have doesn't have any. Couldn't play any torrented games on it either. Old games age of kings and mas.effect1. switched back to win7.
@rty1955
@rty1955 Рік тому
@@akale2620 did u try the games under Linux running Wine? I dont use my computers to play games. I do electronic design work & 3d modeling. I use email, word processing, personal accounting, spreadsheets etc. I have been running Linux since 1996 and never used Windoze ever since
@akale2620
@akale2620 Рік тому
@@rty1955 I couldn't figure out how. Nothing could be downloaded from zorins app store.
@D31taF0rc3
@D31taF0rc3 6 місяців тому
I had an insane performance increase when swapping from an hdd to an ssd. That said, there are a lot of other features you can turn off that boost performance, such as drop shadows or windows search. I also find that programs open way faster by opening them one by one as needed rather than them all fighting eachother for the same memory and disk read upon boot up.
@tarpanc34
@tarpanc34 4 місяці тому
remember nthe water cooled cpu's in the early 200's lol water in a tower pc.. edo and non edo ram, limited to 128mb the y2k bug threat.. we have come a long way since 1999
@sandygrungerson1177
@sandygrungerson1177 3 місяці тому
wow thanks capt obvious
@npr1300A8
@npr1300A8 9 місяців тому
Best video on PC maintenance I've seen! Thank you.
@Metanis
@Metanis 2 роки тому
As a long time PC Tech I thank you for repeatedly reminding people not to delete stuff they don't know or understand. The advice you give is spot on!
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 2 роки тому
Thanks! You definitely don't want the "delete it all and let God sort it out" approach ;-)
@danielAgorander
@danielAgorander Рік тому
@@DavesGarage Given that this is an issue, perhaps it's a case where Microsoft could follow the approach used by some other OSes (and some Linux distros): OS and all its "important files" are read-only - perhaps even sitting on a separate read-only partition - and updated as a unit. I'm personally not a fan of the approach, not for my own systems (Windows 10 for MSFS, Arch for other games, and OpenBSD for laptop because I need to compensate for my lack of beard growth), but since MS ships an OS specifically targeting "normies" it could be a thing. Or is this something that simply would work with how Windows is built? If nothing else, it seems like it would reduce the amount of times I have to remote into a family member's laptop to fix things. :P
@johncaufield4206
@johncaufield4206 Рік тому
Too true. Read only for important files?
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner Рік тому
My Dell Optiplex 780 had become very slow. Upping the RAM from 4GB to 10GB helped, but not as much as I had hoped for. Then I found your vid and did all 5 fixes. Wow, what a huge difference!
@ForrestGoodson
@ForrestGoodson 7 місяців тому
As an IT professional this is fantastic information in particular for helping relatives (as Dave mentions). He dispels some common misconceptions and helps prioritize repairs. Grateful for this content.
@rohitnijhawan5281
@rohitnijhawan5281 5 місяців тому
I have a 2015 macbook pro with 16 GB of RAM. I bought it in January 2019. It has the intel CPU The problem isn't "computers" it's the massive sewage pile of windows bloat BS. My 2015 macbook pro seems / feels as fast my 2023 macbook pro with 32 GB of RAM and M2 Pro chip. It's *windows* computers that slow down. Since 2013 I haven't owned a windows PC. I love their upgradability but windows is certified junk.
@pcallycat9043
@pcallycat9043 5 місяців тому
@@rohitnijhawan5281Because Mac doesn’t use a registry that has to be kept resident in memory. Linux is much the same, config files or plist files that are read as needed is far superior to registry style management. The whole time he was talking about registry related issues all I could think is…this is a windows specific issue.
@snowshoes5942
@snowshoes5942 3 місяці тому
Can you timestamp when he gives info? I'm having trouble finding it.
@justsomeperson5110
@justsomeperson5110 Рік тому
I love it! And I mostly agree with it. I would however have liked two things: A bigger warning that defragging is for spinning rust only. Like a seizure-warning epileptic-fit-inducing flashing lights and sounds big warning. Because not everyone is an expert and forcing a defrag on SSDs is bad. And the second, an actual in-depth look at how the performance of your SSD slows down horribly over time and how each one is a bit ... different. SLC is generally problem free, but low capacity. MLC, LTC, and QLC (and soon PLC) have ... things ... to watch out for. Storing more than one bit per cell, their first write is faster than subsequent writes, so write performance varies. Also they tend to cache a portion of their capacity as SLC. As long as you don't fill the drive up, you can enjoy that cache speed. Fill them up however, speed go bye bye. Sometimes deleting files gets you back that speed, sometimes not. Etc. SSDs are ... complex, and can be a H U G E factor on why your modern PC slows down with age. Seeing a cohesive analysis of all of the complexities to be aware of and what can be done would be a nice part 2, IMHO. You could also look at how some anti-malware packages are, "better" than others about slowing down your system, if you need more time to fill? Maybe go into background tasks? Bloatware from folks like Dell?
@achtsekundenfurz7876
@achtsekundenfurz7876 Рік тому
SSDs have to balance write cycles, i.e. to ensure that certain frequently used areas like directories don't wear out soon, they have to do some extra book-keeping and move those areas around. That "moving around" isn't trivial; simply put they have to store information "where sector 1 is today" to find the data, and _that_ information might change often, too. Long story short, defragging the SSD uses write cycles; using the _full defragmentation would be a major waste of SSD lifetime_ . A more selective mode, which leaves all but the most badly fragmented files untouched, isn't half as bad, but shouldn't be scheduled for regular maintenance either. Yes, there are statistics which claim that defragging SSDs is important. They claim that a regular HDD went from 500 to 1000 I/O operations and SSD went from 8,000 to 10,000 (so the HDD gained 500 and the SSD gained a whopping 2000), but that's not the metric you should look at. Why? Because you don't get up and say, "Today is a good day, I gonna do 100,000 I/Os" -- the number of I/Os is usually defined by the stuff you do. What you should look at is how long those I/Os take. That'll be 200 vs. 100 seconds on the HDD, and 12.5 vs. 10 seconds on the SSD. So, defragging would save you almost 2 minutes on the HDD, but only 2.5 seconds on the SSD. Unfortunaltely. _some_ defragger makers know that very well, but use bad metrics to sell defraggers to SSD users -- a very malignant practice.
@itstheweirdguy
@itstheweirdguy Рік тому
Not true at all. VSS works better if your disk is defragmented, it even does it on SSD's on a schedule. It's normal. Enjoy your UKposts KNOWLEDGE though. A SSD is a block device it can and should be treated like a hard drive, it's faulty if you can't.
@justsomeperson5110
@justsomeperson5110 Рік тому
@@itstheweirdguy "A SSD is a block device it can and should be treated like a hard drive, it's faulty if you can't." Then I guess SSDs are faulty, according to you. Because while you certainly can do that, as in nothing stops you, you're also definitely shortening its lifespan. They have a limited number of writes. This is well documented fact of flash memory. Defragging a drive is moving data, eating up those limited writes. This is how flash memory has always worked. And with every "level" added to a flash cell (SLC->MLC->TSC->QLC) this gets significantly worse because of the way these levels increase the capacity. So as you shorten your SSD's lifespan by defragging it, "Enjoy your UKposts KNOWLEDGE though." I hope your non-UKposts knowledge (whatever that is) brings you some solace when your SSD dies.
@RickMacmurchie
@RickMacmurchie 2 роки тому
All current hard drives use zoned geometry, The outer tracks have more sectors per track than inner tracks. The each zone will have a set number of sectors, as the zones progress towards the center of the disk surface, the number of sectors per track is reduced. This prevents the waste of space that would occur from only having the number of sectors on the outer track that can be reliably recorded on inner tracks. This zoning system started sometime around when the IDE/ATA LBA (logical block addressing) system came into widespread use. Early IDE drives emulated fixed sectors per track geometry for compatibility with older system BIOS and software.
@achtsekundenfurz7876
@achtsekundenfurz7876 Рік тому
Exactly! And at that time, the first tracks became the outermost ones, in order to hold more sectors per (physical) track), and more importantly, more sectors per revolution and thus per second, making the first tracks faster than the last ones. Drives can have up to 5 different sectors per track, possibly even more, but at a certain point, using another zone would add a negligible # of sectors. The "different angular velocity" fallacy is probably a mix-up with CD/DVD drives. HDDs don't have that, but the differences in _linear_ velocity matter. (HDDs with variable RPM exist, but that's done to save power when there's little I/O, e.g. if they stay on during the night as many servers do.)
@byrw9557
@byrw9557 10 місяців тому
Thanks, Dave. Sometimes, as I get older, I forget some of the things that are important and your reminder is a great help.
@bayard1332
@bayard1332 11 місяців тому
Thank you Dave, I've been looking for SFS (well, something to do that) and didn't know it existed, much appreciated. Cheers!
@trevorjackson6008
@trevorjackson6008 2 роки тому
Hi Dave, Always fun watching your content. I can honestly say after 31 years in the IT industry I always learn bits n bobs from your content. thank you. I wonder if you could do a video on software tweaks. There used to be tons of Registry hacks we used when I was a desktop engineer (a while ago!) and it would be nice if we had your wisdom on the same, such as PowerToys or the like. Regards, TJ
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 2 роки тому
I'll make a note of it as an episode idea, thanks!
@coper137
@coper137 2 роки тому
@@DavesGarage use of LINUX will make possibly biggest difference on old pc
@elitedata
@elitedata Рік тому
believe it or not, i still have the original "PowerToys" for 95/98 and only a few of them will still work on windows 11 after some slight changes to the INF file. im not so much of a fan of the new PowerToys though.
@billp4
@billp4 Рік тому
@@coper137 Especially if it's a dedicated machine like a guardian node.
@infotruther
@infotruther Рік тому
Yes please please do a video on software tweaks tyvm
@jyeager2881
@jyeager2881 Рік тому
Also, if you are running a mechanical hard drive clone it to an SSD and old machines will perk up significantly. I use Macrium's Reflect. I find it does an excellent job at doing an exact clone. Don't forget to also allocate some empty space, (usually around 10% of total disk volume), at the end of the disk for over provisioning. (I also highly recommend Samsung SSD's for speed and reliability.)
@billj5645
@billj5645 Рік тому
This is the single thing that will have the most affect on an old computer. I've done it on my old laptops and it made a big difference. I did it on my old desktop that still had a CPU that was overclocked to a relatively high speed and it made a really big improvement on that computer.
@JoeStuffzAlt
@JoeStuffzAlt Рік тому
Another affect of an SSD is that Windows will change the paging and caching algorithms. I think it uses less RAM with an SSD installed
@PrinceWesterburg
@PrinceWesterburg Рік тому
Did you say SSD old man? Lycom PCIe NVMe card with an NVMe drive is cheap and gets you booting at 5.5Gb/s
@SteveMasonCanada
@SteveMasonCanada Рік тому
Agreed on SSD, and Macrium is my favourite cloner!
@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432
@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432 Рік тому
This comment aged worse than Biden.
@robert8
@robert8 3 місяці тому
I love the information you provide, but it would be highly appreciable if you could show a demo of how things are done and the aftermath.
@snowshoes5942
@snowshoes5942 3 місяці тому
when did he provide info? was it after the 4 minute intro?
@scottbisco6793
@scottbisco6793 10 місяців тому
Dang Dave... I wish I had a craft room growing up, or even now. I couldn't imagine having parents that were technologically literate or supportive of any of that. I've had to fight for all of it, it's been a long and hard journey but now I am (for the most part) competent with systems programming and development... I can only imagine how much progress I would have made if I had a good start. What your doing is absolutely amazing. I never realized how valuable that kind of thing was.
@acasey4014
@acasey4014 Рік тому
Dave, two tools you didn't mention are "AUTORUNS" to edit startups & "PROCESS EXPLORER" to get a better detailed look at what is in memory and the process tree that is attached to the executables. But good cleanup video for the medium tech inclined used.
@eMPee584
@eMPee584 Рік тому
Yeah, big up for the various sysinternals utils! These two are the most generally useful, but for digging deeper into specific issues, the rest of the suite is gold too. Which is why µS bought the winternals dev studio into the corp in 2006.
@Dian_Guang
@Dian_Guang Рік тому
Great video and insight for Windows users! Although I feel sorry for Dave's iMac, I just upgraded my 2015 21' iMac from LMDE 4 to LMDE 5 (Short for Linux Mint Debian Edition), the computer is now faster, more reliable and has better functionality, it will be running like that in next 3 years (minimum), regardless how many programs I will be installing. That will never happen with Mac OS or Windows, unheard of.
@guitarszen
@guitarszen Рік тому
Exactly. Anyone who wants a faster and longer lasting computer needs to dump Windoze and Crapple.
@alangrant5684
@alangrant5684 5 місяців тому
Thanks Dave for sharing your knowledge with us.
@AntonioMartinez-gu8sp
@AntonioMartinez-gu8sp 9 місяців тому
This guy is very well spoken, & for to knowledgeable for me, I’m new to computers, so I will just look & listen.
@hancockautomotive1
@hancockautomotive1 2 роки тому
Thank you, Dave! I'm autistic myself, and am inspired by you in a huge way to make sure my non-verbal son can enjoy the gift of his life to an equally amazing degree! Take care Dave, and thank you so much.
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 2 роки тому
Wow, thanks! Raising a non-verbal child would take a lot of patience, you're in my thoughts and prayers! Just remember the love is there even if its hard for ASD folks to show it!
@hancockautomotive1
@hancockautomotive1 2 роки тому
@@DavesGarage Dave, I am sorry for the late reply, however, I was somewhat intimidated by the prospect of conveying the depth of my gratitude for the wisdom you've shared and for the inspiring accomplishments you've successfully engaged your own savant-like skills with. I am humbled by the humility on display, I assure you I learned much from my own youth as an individual verbally impeded and have been able to engage with a world far more receptive and cohesively committed to showing us we are people, too. I am almost forty and he is almost five, I remember to warmly show him love that I know is critical to his healthy development and appreciation of who he sees looking back at him in the mirror. I am so lucky to be his father, and Tanner is so dear to me. He smiles when wakes up, and he is so happy to be alive He's incredibly intelligent, although it carries a penalty I think is mutually known between you and I. As a father, thank you for the kind words reinforcing the reality this parent can attest to being amazing as long as one stays receptive to the somewhat unique expressiveness we have. Take care, Dave, and thanks again!
@glennmeader626
@glennmeader626 2 роки тому
The ultimate solution: wipe the hard drive and reload a fresh Copy of the OS and apps. That is essentially a factory reset that gives you exactly what you had when you bought it. Then do a disk image backup. Next time it gets slow, wipe the drive and restore the disk image backup. Voila, super fast computer again.
@glennmeader626
@glennmeader626 2 роки тому
Thanks, forgot to mention you need to backup your personal data files before wiping your drive! But you do that regularly already, right? Segregating your personal data files (documents, pictures, etc) to an external drive or partition is a great idea.
@eDoc2020
@eDoc2020 2 роки тому
A fresh OS install is better than a factory reset. A factory reset will come with all the preinstalled bloatware and will need all the subsequent updates to be installed.
@lawrencedoliveiro9104
@lawrencedoliveiro9104 2 роки тому
That’s why they say, Windows is a great OS -- if your time is worth nothing.
@jananstunes
@jananstunes Рік тому
I just watched this entire video. Thank you, your awesome!! Full of knowledge and wisdom. Saved my PC
@casualretrocollector
@casualretrocollector 4 місяці тому
Great tip Dave about the hibernatiion feature! managed to save some valuable space on my ssd. Thank you!
@leebrady6326
@leebrady6326 Рік тому
Great tips Mr. Dave.. I always try to have this type of info. to make and keep my equipment running.. Still using win7, and remember hating the transition from XP.. Not so bad, but the software I use works best in the older systems..
@billj5645
@billj5645 Рік тому
You didn't spend much time on thermal throttling but I've found it to be significant with my old laptop. Laptops are used on your lap, or laying on the sofa, or the bed, and their intakes can bring in bits of lint. My laptop had a very small air cooler and right in front of that air cooler was a big dust bunny. I removed the fan, removed the dust bunny, and the computer didn't thermal throttle as bad. In most situations I don't think this would affect a big desktop computer as much unless it is in a pretty bad environment.
@duroxkilo
@duroxkilo Рік тому
true story... sometimes refreshing the CUP/GPU thermal paste also yields improvements
@Arcanua
@Arcanua 8 місяців тому
A laptop was NEVER intended, and they will clearly tell you to NOT use it on a sofa, bed or anything carpeted....if you're doing that you're hurting the device outright which is a completely different issue entirely I'm afraid. ^^;;
@PinkishPlant
@PinkishPlant 6 місяців тому
@@Arcanuaat the very least LAPtops are intended for your LAP, although better then carpet, it’s still not the same as a desktop; which is the point.
@falloutrains2641
@falloutrains2641 4 місяці тому
Amazing video! Thank you very much for such an informative video
@mattgibson6144
@mattgibson6144 8 місяців тому
Great advice here, thanks Dave 👍
@esenel92
@esenel92 2 роки тому
Something I found throughout the years: Many of the SATA cables that I got with motherboards/drives back when it was a brand new standard got glitchy over time(also wobbly in their connectors although I'm not sure they weren't like that new). Sometimes loading something would just stall for a few seconds or even hang the system. If the system decided to "hang" moving the cables around a bit would often get it moving again. Even if all seemed fine drive benchmarks would sometimes be "slow" because the controllers fell back to the lowest speed they could as they were getting too much garbled data. On HDD's the actual disks would make clicking/chirping noises (seagate drives here). If you run into something like that, check the UDMA_CRC_Error_Count (or something similar) SMART stats. If it's high, replace the cable before replacing the disk to get everything running smooth again.
@geonerd
@geonerd 2 роки тому
Yup. After a few rounds of "WTF?" I finally learned to unplug/plug (exercise) the SATA connectors every few months.
@esenel92
@esenel92 2 роки тому
@@geonerd yeah, I noticed the performance issues, and then went digging as at first glance the disks ware fine, and found a lot of messages relating to re-initializing sata connections and lowering the speeds due to errors in the kernel log. Ever since then I've just had a bunch of extra cables and replace em every now and then. Kinda makes me wish back to those good old IDE cables that once plugged in could be hell to remove. I'd rather have issues pulling them out/off than having issues with them coming loose/crapping out creating weird glitchy behavior.
@garethfairclough8715
@garethfairclough8715 2 роки тому
Gah! This hit me more than once in the past. For me, what fixed it was moving to newer SATA cables with the metal clips on them. These would hold in a lot more securely.
@quintessenceSL
@quintessenceSL 2 роки тому
Just went through a month of hell moving to larger drives and having errant boot problems as Win 10 decided the offering was insufficient and a full check disk was in order (and Win 10 isn't kind enough to tell you which disk(s) it is unhappy with, and only ten seconds to skip the process after the spinning circle does some incantation for an unknown length of time). Two bad cables (and brand new!) and cursing windows move to hide the sausage (seriously considering moving to dual boot Win 7 and Solus). Oh, and the old trope of some disks being happier in a particular orientation still holds even today (some REALLY don't like being vertical).
@wayland7150
@wayland7150 2 роки тому
Crikey, I wonder if some of the problems I have suffered with Windows 10 was actually just a SATA cable.
@justinspoerle1739
@justinspoerle1739 2 роки тому
Dave just casually rocking some of the best hardware on the market. Also, his book is amazing and after 30 years of "Why am I like this" I am getting tested myself in a couple months.
@nezu_cc
@nezu_cc 2 роки тому
> 30 years of "Why am I like this" dan, guess I was lucky and only my childhood was "ruined".
@disastershaman
@disastershaman Рік тому
Ah well, after 50 years stumbling in the dark, I found out and realized that although it had been a handicap I still had managed to get somewhere. But it explained a lot as in to how my life had unfolded.(most of the time I considered myself an alien) Good luck with your journey.
@halporter9
@halporter9 4 місяці тому
About 15/18 years ago I switched to an Apple system because I was having to spend so much time doing maintenance cleaning crap out of the system-maybe an hour or two a week, usually on weekends. I am/was a journalist/researcher/copyeditor and used the internet in some odd places. Very little of this time wasted with my Mac mini. Anyway, one cost is I still feel uneasy with my lack of familiarity with Apple operating systems. I don’t need to kludge around in them, but in a couple of cases that caused big problems that would not have happened with windows, or I could have worked through them. But I was amazed that after all these years, I understood precisely or had used an earlier version of every fix you mentioned! When you pointed to old versions of a file, I remembered the file! Thanks, I enjoyed this.
@joemalone7385
@joemalone7385 4 місяці тому
Excellent informative video. Thanks very much Dave!
@SethRyan27
@SethRyan27 2 роки тому
Thanks as always, Dave! Having HFA In big tech and being pretty good a masking, I was always concerned about the stigma that might be associated with disclosing that I’m neurodivergent. The openness with which you discuss your own ASD has really helped me to embrace that part of myself. Looking forward to reading your book one of these days!
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 2 роки тому
Thanks! I don't use it as a label OR excuse, but sometimes an explanaiton :-)
@Darxide23
@Darxide23 2 роки тому
This kind of candor is needed for normalization.
@johnhpalmer6098
@johnhpalmer6098 2 роки тому
@@Darxide23 Indeed, as someone that suspects I'm possibly am on the spectrum myself (high function Autism/Asperger's, though I know it's been deprecated since 2013, but I still feel it should be used in some way to denote those that are high, or ultra high function as Asperger's is similar to, but not totally identical to autism. That said, I have a comorbidity of sorts, CRS (congenital Rubella Syndrome) by being born a prenatal Rubella baby in 1965, 4 years before the Rubella vaccine came along, and 6 years before the MMR vaccine.
@Darxide23
@Darxide23 2 роки тому
@@johnhpalmer6098 Yea, I wasn't a fan of so many things being rolled into ASD, either. If you hear that someone is on the Autism Spectrum, that can mean almost anything. It gives almost zero information.
@johnhpalmer6098
@johnhpalmer6098 2 роки тому
@@Darxide23 Yeah, I can see that, but reading up on all that is considered for Autism, there is a lot to it and they all share some of the traits, that is especially true for the brain and how it has more neurons than most neurotypicals tend to have. That said, very high functioning, and I mean, what would be considered borderline Asperger types may not need to mask nearly as much in daily life as others on the spectrum, thus may not get diagnosed as readily, which was more likely for older folk now in their 40's and up, but still struggle mightily in many ways to this day, which can affect how we get/keep work for starters.
@redslate
@redslate Рік тому
With regards to the "angular velocity" theory: I know there is a similar principle at play with optical media (which also spins), and the placement of certain files can greatly influence loading times. This heavily influenced the console development (DVD organization) of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. As it relates to a HDD, I'm not sure if angular speed has much influence, though I can say, at the very least, physical storage location on the platter does affect read speeds. We're aware of fragmentation and its effects, though I've also noticed performance improvements in reading files written to a nearly fresh (recently wiped) installation. That data can be consistently accessed far quicker than had it been written only slightly after a few other files on a clean install, lending itself to carefully choosing those very first files.
@Shalmaneser1
@Shalmaneser1 Рік тому
That's on Windows based systems. Try a *cough* real OS.
@redslate
@redslate Рік тому
@@Shalmaneser1 The latter was in reference to a fresh Linux install. Must be one hell of a fullfilling life you lead, one in which you so ignorantly jump to false conclusions without any substantiating facts driving said deductions. No wonder the ladies love you...
@Conserpov
@Conserpov 9 місяців тому
Constant Angular Velocity sector placement on HDD became obsolete 30+ years ago. It's all Zone Bit Recording everywhere, with more sectors and much higher linear speed in outer tracks. So physical placement of files on disk has significant effect on performance. Any disk benchmark (like HD Tune or Victoria) can show that e.g. read speed goes from 150 MBps in the outer tracks down to 75 MBps in the inner tracks, or 50% performance hit.
@SumDumGy_formerly_Tim_Walden
@SumDumGy_formerly_Tim_Walden 8 місяців тому
I wish any of this applied to me. I’m a poor bloke who bought his computer off a guy on Craigslist ten years ago. I don’t go online with it and I’ve never done any software updates or upgrades beyond printer/mouse drivers. I don’t even have an Adobe reader as such software doesn’t want to even install on my computer when I’ve tried. I’ve gone through all the usual disc cleanup and defrag. The only thing I add to my computer is scanned photos and documents, which, once slow-down became noticeable, I started transferring to external storage and emptying my recycle bin. Whatever caused the slow-down wasn’t reversed by any of that. Even a simple procedure like copying/pasting an image from Paint to Word takes longer as time progresses.
@wake-upamerica6568
@wake-upamerica6568 9 місяців тому
Excellent content! Keep up the great work!
@remington2277
@remington2277 6 місяців тому
I agree with all your recommendations. You sort-of touched on this BUT - The BIGGEST improvement one can make with an older machine is to replace the old rotary drive with a SSD. I didn't hear you explicitly say this.
@Ozz-kv5wr
@Ozz-kv5wr 3 місяці тому
I whole heartedly agree a new SSD and added ram can make very significant improvements to an old system
@stephen1r2
@stephen1r2 2 роки тому
The 1st change I tend to make when asked to "speed up" someones machine (with a HDD) would be to image it onto a higher capacity quality SSD. That provides a cold backup and a 30-ish-X IOPS bump. Basically a do no harm update that tends to be cost effective. Followed by all of the steps in this video of course. RAM isn't always accessible, and when it is it may not be available or have sane pricing.
@jjjacer
@jjjacer 2 роки тому
this especially with most OS's now days hammering the disk forever
@QualityDoggo
@QualityDoggo 2 роки тому
Yeah this^. Reinstall is preferable imho but imaging is a good way to preserve everything. Generally not even worried about boosting the capacity these days - a lot of people I've seen use a tiny percent of their drive and do everything online. Often customers say a smaller drive is even ok if it's cheaper.
@mjc0961
@mjc0961 2 роки тому
@@jjjacer I always forget how utterly unusable Windows 10 in for several minutes after boot on a mechanical disk, and every time I go to Task Manager all "WTF?!?!" it's because the spinning rust is pegged at 100%. SSD all the things.
@yotoprules9361
@yotoprules9361 2 роки тому
@@QualityDoggo I've had customers with 2 TB HDD that was failing (because laptop HDDs last about 5 minutes) and they only used ~80GB including the OS, software, and update files. I think I installed a 256GB SSD for them and the system worked good as new.
@lawrencedoliveiro9104
@lawrencedoliveiro9104 2 роки тому
What happens if the machine already has an SSD? Or, to put it another way, SSDs can only be a partial fix to NTFS fragmentation problems. Sure, you don’t have to worry about seek delays, but if you have to access the same data via separate smaller reads/writes versus one big transfer, the multiple smaller transfers are still going to be slower. And remember, the NTFS defragger had to be disabled on SSDs, because it was shortening their life.
@Diablo12369510
@Diablo12369510 10 місяців тому
You're video speeches are some of the best. Great videos
@ramiramadan3578
@ramiramadan3578 11 місяців тому
Great Informative video Thanks a Million Professor.
@SyBernot
@SyBernot 2 роки тому
Ages ago a friend called me up and asked me to please come take his computer. He was just tired of dealing with it because it ran so poorly, he assumed it was because it had a cyrix CPU. 5 minutes on the bench and I knew why. It had the minimal amount of ram it could possibly run with, was running windows Me and had a winmodem (I did say ages ago). I maxed out the memory, installed NT and replaced the winmodem with a US Robotics serial modem. I used that thing for at least another 5 years in my lab. Now a days when a system seems slow I replace the drive with an SSD and max out the memory, when that doesn't cut it anymore I install linux and use it for other things. I still have systems running that are >15 years old. I drive them until something major gives out.
@jerryharrison2614
@jerryharrison2614 2 дні тому
I used
@jerryharrison2614
@jerryharrison2614 2 дні тому
I used to have dial up internet. in those days the best modem i had ever owned was a US Robotics Modem. They were just simply the best dial up modems ever built.
@lewismassie
@lewismassie Рік тому
11:16 A note on WinDirStat: It's something of an old program and is somewhat slow. Wiztree is a newer variant and runs so much faster. Helps the file trimming go much faster when you aren't waiting minutes between drive scans
@wombatdk
@wombatdk Рік тому
My preference is actually apps using Sunburst graphs. I find them easier to read. I don't use Windows so I am not sure what's available in that department, but I know they existed in the past.
@SteveMasonCanada
@SteveMasonCanada Рік тому
Wiztree is sooo fast, I still prefer Jam Software's Treesize, just find it more readable, even though it's slower.
@5EasyQuestions
@5EasyQuestions 3 місяці тому
Dave. Thank you for all of the videos I've seen so far. My time goes back to BASIC. I was an outside beta tester beginning with Win 95. I've all but forgotten this experience as I started testing up to Win 10. I refuse to buy any PC post 2015. So I'm assed out But your videos have inspired me to pull out my old HP Form Factor and play around with it Thanks for that
@OSGamer70
@OSGamer70 8 місяців тому
Very helpful tips to salvage my old iMac. Thanks!
@jnkmal9519
@jnkmal9519 8 місяців тому
Oh sure, show off your cool craft room and don't even mention the super cute dog. You'd better apologize to that dog, tell it it's a good dog, pet it, and give it a treat!
@vihreelinja4743
@vihreelinja4743 3 місяці тому
It is better to play with yo dog then feeding it crap.
@andrewscott1451
@andrewscott1451 2 роки тому
Hard drives do use constant angular velocity, but the number of sectors per track does change. Fewer sectors per track at the inner part of the drive, but more sectors per track at the outer tracks. Check documention for Seagate drives . Disk to head transfer rates are for outer track. Ibm described the change in sectors per track as "notches". Even back when disk drives were described using tracks sectors and heads, the drives had the smarts to translate that to a block number, and locate the data on the drive. Data is written and read from the drive at different speeds to allow the bit density to remain constant over the surface of the drive. 3.5 inch hard disks could have as much as a 3 fold advantage in both speed and reduced head seek at the outer edge of the drive as opposed to the innermost track. Think this started with ata/ide drives.
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 2 роки тому
Can you send me a link showing variable geometry on Seagates? Or let me know whcih model you're thinking of? I'm curious!
@gblargg
@gblargg Рік тому
@@DavesGarage Not Seagate in particular but very in-depth article titled "HDD inside: Tracks and Zones"
@quinceyhall1276
@quinceyhall1276 10 місяців тому
Thank you, I just subscribe to your page. I needed this please keep them coming.
@jeffhopper3526
@jeffhopper3526 8 місяців тому
That is so cool having the family work/gather/pc room!
@alanmusicman3385
@alanmusicman3385 2 роки тому
Hardware wise, I think you nailed it Dave. Cooling is a big thing - esp on laptops. Very often when a laptop battery gets old, a lot of the charging current ends up as heat in the battery, this - possibly in conjunction with clogged vents or fans - can cause thermal throttling. I have revived several laptops for people by cleaning the airways and replacing the battery after noting that the old (usually original) battery was almost too hot to touch! Completely agree about that hard drive "Outer edges" thing - it's rubbish cos (a) of the factors you cite and (b) cos on modern drives all access is via LBNs (Logical Block Numbers) at the OS driver level and at the cluster level above there. How the mapping of LBNs map to physical drive surface locations is a per-manufacturer/per-model decision implemented in the drive's internal firmware and varies quite a lot. In short, it may not use a "Start from the middle and work out" algorithm. All that HDD optimisation stuff that was built into early Unix systems (and for all I know early DOS and Windows 3.1 systems) and used intimate knowledge of the disk drive hardware, such as average seek times, head switch times, cylinder read rates, rotational latency minimisation and read or write clustering to get the best possible performance out of hard drives which, even with all that stuff, was pretty poor by today's standards. Thankfully all that optimisation stuff moved into drive firmware in the late 1990s for the most part and around the same time, they started including thousands of spare blocks to transparently replace any main blocks that became unreliable with age. So now (aside from manufacturer diagnostics) hard drives are black boxes offering a huge bucket of perfect 512 byte storage blocks, each with a unique LBN and that's about all that anything at the OS level knows, or needs to know. About the only optimisation you can do now at the OS level is to change the cluster size to suit your use of the storage (video files = big clusters, thousands of tiny files = tiny clusters). In short, anyone trying to tell you that you can affect physical placement of your files, is probably trying to sell you something!
@alanmusicman3385
@alanmusicman3385 2 роки тому
@@gorak9000 Agreed that the registry was not a great idea. However, Windows contains one hell of a lot of other features which are. As a long long time Unix user I was so glad to discover PowerShell for example - a very powerful command line environment with unified syntaxes and excellent documentation which nevertheless takes on board all the key goodies of Unix shells.
@buffuniballer
@buffuniballer 2 роки тому
Today, as you noted drives use LBN. I still support some non-Windows servers that use 300gb drives. Being no one actually MAKES 300db drives, often if a system won't use the 600gb drives we have in the logistics system, a drive will be destroked. I.E. a larger drive has firmware that just makes the drive look like the old 300gb drive. Most of the system WILL take the larger 300gb drive. It doesn't really help as they are usually mirrored, so unless it's the second of a pair being replaced, the volume is still based on the 300gb drive originally built upon.
@sirena7116
@sirena7116 Рік тому
It is amazing at how thermal throttling can effect performance. Even with a tiny improvement in cooling/heat transfer, the machine can run maybe 12% which doesn't seem like a lot, but it is noticeable.
@leecowell8165
@leecowell8165 Рік тому
yeah people are STUPID. they run these things on pillows instead of hard surfaces insane stuff like that. I rewired my aspire to keep that fan running 100% of the time. however its plugged in almost all the time anyway. heat is thy enemy.
@alanmusicman3385
@alanmusicman3385 Рік тому
@@leecowell8165 Yeah, I remember seeing a friend sat with a soft rug or on her lap and the laptop on top of that. When I asked why the rug - "Oh cos the laptop runs so hot it burns my leg" - Doh!
@0x00FE
@0x00FE Рік тому
Nice information, especially the HDD platter speed, always thought of that, this was a nice explanation. I personally hate both Microsoft and Windows, and for good reasons. I moved to Linux when I was at university some 15 years ago, never been happier. I hated the random BSOD and the fact the de-fragment on Windows XP actually made my computer much slower (tested several times, always had to format after it). Add to that the crazy HDD activity when I went to sleep and did not shutdown my computer. The Windows HDD actually wore out much earlier than the Linux HDD. As for pushing the settings away, I recently joined a company where they use Edge by default and found that search engine settings where actually hidden and not as straight forward as in Firefox or Chrome for that matter. Love your channel though, always learning something new. Keep it up!
@angrybirds2472
@angrybirds2472 7 днів тому
i used to install so much on my windows 98 machine back in the day i knew the ins and outs of the registry, never ran a antivirus and was willing and able to do a complete reinstall religiously about once a month... after evaluating all those juarez...... lol , sometimes stuff just bloats like you said. i love how you said exactly what i was thinking once again dave! THANKS man maybe ill be joining up in your discord or something where we can actually talk about some things but for now i will post my praise here and at least for me, i really dig your channel and persona. keep on rockin man.
@galloitaliano27VEVO
@galloitaliano27VEVO 5 місяців тому
Its always a joy to hear from people that know what they’re talking about. Very informative.
@mianlo2624
@mianlo2624 Рік тому
If your computer has a HDD, then run Defrag every month, or so. Another thing you could do that a lot of people overlook, is checking your service tab, and see what running automatically or delay. Try to see if you can set some of the services to manual. This can result in faster boot time, and the program will still work once trying to open. Opening up the laptop or desktop and clean out dusk can reduce the thermal throttle with proper air flow.
@guitarszen
@guitarszen Рік тому
Ahaha get Linux and you never have to do that. Defragging is so 1990s.
@EVPaddy
@EVPaddy 2 роки тому
I remember computer magazine c’t writing a HDD test program that showed different speeds on different parts of the disk. That was 100% a thing. But with many platters that gives you more of a sawtooth pattern depending on logical to physical sector mapping
@paulmichaelfreedman8334
@paulmichaelfreedman8334 2 роки тому
The heads are always over the same sector number of each platter so it seems to me the fastest and best way to write data on the lowest level (physical) is to write to all heads simultaneously.
@IrocZIV
@IrocZIV 2 роки тому
Yeah, I used to always partition my drives, and use the "faster" partition for programs, and the other for storage.
@paulmichaelfreedman8334
@paulmichaelfreedman8334 2 роки тому
@@IrocZIV Logical drives have mappings that are often nothing like a perfect physical separation of partitions. The only sectors I know of that always are in the middle of the partition, logically and physically, is the NTFS file allocation table. And even then a failing sector in the FAT can cause parts of the FAT be physically relocated somewhere outside of that region and causing an extra long head move when reading the FAT. Bottom line: The speed between an "inner" and "outer"partition is not significant. The physical mapping can differ greatly from the logical mapping, depending on the health state of the physical platters. Sectors fail regularly on a lot of drives, we just don't notice because the drives have advanced sector recovery/relocation capabilities. A quick check of the C5 value in the drive's SMART log will tell immediately if the drive is failing or not. Pending sectors are really bad, it means the sector failed without notice and the drive could not recover the data on that sector.
@mannotwiththeplan
@mannotwiththeplan Рік тому
Yep, Dave is wrong on the HDD speed.
@gblargg
@gblargg Рік тому
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 On my current HDD I get 187 MB/sec at the beginning, 78 MB/sec at the end, almost 60% slower. I've seen this on every HDD I've used in the past decade.
@user-hy6yq4uk8e
@user-hy6yq4uk8e 7 днів тому
It has been a long time since I had watched anything from you. So I subscribed. Love it how you bought MACS for the hardware, etc., and installled Windows in them! Way back then, I learned a lot from you when I was first getting into PC's for the household. You made the scary for me unscary. I should say that you helped a newbie's confidence. You think I could afford a technician/repairperson?! Thanks Dave!
@neofloggin3687
@neofloggin3687 10 місяців тому
Definately a Video for the new user and Very Noob reliable tip. This is a great video to show new users of the computer world that is easy to do and will show you some good bennefits of responcible usage of your PC. Good Job Mr. Garage Techman. Garantied this video will bring the enthusiast in your Viewers who haven't yet found out why PC is so dominate!!! Presentation is very informative and in the face which will be great to guide new PC or even more experienced novice user. BIG THUMBS DAVE!!!!!
@keitho9508
@keitho9508 Рік тому
Thanks Dave. I learned a lot especially about Task Manager which I have always used to end tasks that were in a 100% CPU loop! I have a question that does relate to Windows performance. Over many years I have been annoyed that Windows does not seem to natively prioritise it's tasks. I mean that it doesn't differentiate between tasks that have a screen component (i.e. you are directly interacting with that task (say, Word)) and tasks that are running in the background - foreground v background I guess. A couple of examples, rendering a video or a security product running a full disk scan versus a user trying to start UKposts and waiting forever. I see that you can set the priority of a task but why doesn't WIndows do this automatically? I am miffed about this because in the 1980s I programmed DEC minicomputers that were way less capable than my current desktop and successfully hosted say 4 high speed data entry operators and as-many-as you-like concurrent background tasks, such as compiling COBOL programs or running reports without any degradation of the data entry tasks. In other words the users who needed the attention of the CPU and Ram got prioritised over the other tasks that were not time critical. Is there a way to get these result with Windows 11? Thanks.
@MetalheadAndNerd
@MetalheadAndNerd 11 місяців тому
I'm pretty sure that Windows does this. The priority boost for foreground windows is just not reflected as a different priority value in Process Explorer.
@StefenTower
@StefenTower Рік тому
Your vote of confidence in Defender has me thinking about ditching Avast, which seems to just get increasingly cumbersome, spammy and dopey, even though certainly it works fine as far as its core function is concerned. My performance on my Windows laptops is already reasonable, but getting rid of even more bloat sounds pretty cool. Thanks!
@tinkerscorner54
@tinkerscorner54 4 місяці тому
So, you're the dude! I've been wanting to say thanks to you for decades about the Task Manager. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't use it for one reason or another and it's help me save countless systems from virus's, rootkits and other malware as well as find and tune performance issues on countless others. Sure, there are plenty of tools in the arsenal but the one that is used along with all of them has been the Task Manager (along with its sidekick, Performance Monitor). I'm originally from the Amiga world and was dealing with PCs (286's and DOS at the time (mid-80s to early 90s)) while in the Airforce. I remember finding an OEM copy of Windows 2 in one of the boxes and, out of curiosity, installing it on one of the spare systems in the shop (which was a classroom, I was an instructor by then). Once it was installed, I was severely dumfounded at how awful it ran compared to my Amiga 2000 at home. If I could get two programs loaded, they would try to beat the crap out of each other through the curtains of the "Windows" until one, or both, of them would give up, crash, or hang up the whole shebang. I wasn't impressed at all, So I went back to playing with the Amiga and a 286 system that I'd made a trade for and playing around with the "Upper Memory" and dialing up BBS systems and such. Windows 3 and 3.1 were the game changers that got me into my first hobby build of a 386DX system (at a blazing 33 Mhz, with a Turbo button and a huge, partitioned 80 MB Hard drive, too and 4 Megs of RAM. (My buddies were still swapping floppies on their Commadore 64s and playing Pong on their Ataris.)). It's been both a blast and major PITA (at times) ever since. I, too, try to keep systems out of the scrap piles for neighbors, relatives and such folks but have to get away from it every now and then or I get pestered half to death or end up getting stuck with of a lot of (sometimes piles) obsolete stuff from them. Thanks again, from the bottom of my heart! You got my Sub!
@markfischer3626
@markfischer3626 7 місяців тому
Thank you for creating Task Manager. My favorite is Windows 7 even though I have Windows 10 on another computer. It was running slowly so I went into Task manager and found 2 programs eating up my CPU Real which is a multimedia app and WD drive Manager. I used CC cleaner to disable them from startup, rebooted, and CPU usage went from up to 100 percent down to 4 percent. Runs like lightning now.
@Rybagz
@Rybagz 2 роки тому
Most HDDs in the modern age do have variable geometry (ZBR) packing more sectors into the outer tracks - that's part reason why CHS addressing was replaced by LBA. So, outer tracks should experience better performance due to having to seek to the next one less often. Directory placement at the middle is generally for seek performance - any advantage having it near the outer edge would soon be lost otherwise. Minor revisions being better - sometimes. I remember Windows XP having zippy performance when you installed the base product but then you'd put the Service Packs on and it'd get more sluggish with each one (and this is before any other additional software or great time elapsing). Hibernation file - fast startup needs it since modern Win versions have the option to just shut most of the OS down and write the kernal off to the hiberfile. It's also a must-have if you have a UPS. Macs - the best thing you can do for one of them is to put Windows on it. But in general they'll be a bit slower than a same spec'd generic Intel machine.
@minecraftsp98
@minecraftsp98 2 роки тому
True. I had a drive that was failing so I did a full disk check on it where the disk is writen fully with a pattern and then read. The writing speed was significantly faster in the beginning then at the end because the writing started from the outer tracks.
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 2 роки тому
That's what I assumed - that LBA just hid variable geometry where it did exist, but I wonder if it can be shown to impact perf?
@glasser2819
@glasser2819 2 роки тому
@@DavesGarage paradoxaly a system with Raid-0 SSD and 32GB of RAM definitely has blazing cached storage but surprisingly the system does not feel mind blowing snappy, right? 😳 There is a remaining 20% bottleneck in the core that has prevented MS architecture from beating Linux, iOS, Android clean.... that's a lot of missed business!
@tiarkrezar
@tiarkrezar 2 роки тому
@@DavesGarage I recently tested a new 3.5" HDD by writing it completely until it was full. Write speeds started out at just over 200MB/s, then became progressively slower, reaching around 100MB/s at the end. I'm guessing the file system prefers to use the outer tracks when available.
@ericrosen6626
@ericrosen6626 2 роки тому
@@tiarkrezar Can't find it, but I'm pretty sure LTT did a video where they created 3 partitions on a drive where they each literally had different overall performance due to where the partitions were physically on the disc. I think they got similar numbers as you and I think their proposed use-case was that you put the OS and "important" files on that faster partition, junk on the slowest one and everything else in the middle one. I guess something like a poor man's "small boot SSD plus a separate scratch disc for other stuff". Granted, the sharp decline in SSD pricing over the years probably just makes this a pretty silly exercise in 2022 :)
@ClambNStuff
@ClambNStuff Рік тому
Hey Dave! Thanks for the video. I found it very informative, and reassuring of what I have been doing with my machines + family and friends’. I have a question though! How do you feel about disabling sysmain/superfetch? I have disabled this in the past, and have noticed increases in speed. Again, thanks for the video, and for task manager. Cheers
@threeofeight197
@threeofeight197 Рік тому
Can you talk more about disabling sys main and superfetch? I’ve cleaned up my machine as much as possible and it is still not where I want it to be. I think ultimately it’s a hardware/driver/power supply issue, just from the sounds the thing makes. Lol.
@bimbim1885
@bimbim1885 Рік тому
@@threeofeight197 possibly it's your HDD degrading a lot, I see a lot of this on my old laptops happening. When HDD degrades their Read/Write speed will be plummeting hard, and it will take you forever to even open File Explorer, and the big sign of it is your Disk (0) usage on Task Manager always hitting the roof/100% even though you don't do anything while idle. A power supply could also be a culprit, as I experienced my laptop using a wrong power supply charger with a wrong lower wattage (W) and amperage (A)value that the system needs. My laptop used to suffer the lack of power it needs when running a heavy app/games which resulting to your laptop/PC turns off without warning because of lack of power, so I bought another power supply charger that fits my laptop's need, usually it's on the label under the laptop how much W and A it needs. So make sure check it, if it's a PC, you need a stronger wattage PSU (usually 650W is a safe spot and future proof for your upgrades). If you want to know how to disable SysMain, just google them, it's already a guide even here in YT, since I watched it to turn off mine too. If your HDD really degrades, I suggest buy SSD, change your HDD (of course you need to back up them first) and reinstall your Windows to W10 in your new SSD, you don't have to buy product key first, it's still a functioning OS, just an annoying watermark that you can take off later on (just buy a cheap product key on your e-commerce)
@Kammreiter
@Kammreiter Рік тому
@@bimbim1885 🤔 don’t agree when it’s the initial permanent 100%. That must be another systematic issue. Maybe indexing process or so 😎
@jjvanzon79
@jjvanzon79 Рік тому
Thanks for this video. I'm so pleased I already knew most of these things. 😏 I've been cleaning up my system for hours on end the past few weeks. I used Task Manager heavily for that, so thanks for that. I might try a grand update to latest everything, following your tip.
@DJ.LakeSea
@DJ.LakeSea 9 місяців тому
My Alienware 17r2 laptop is still operating as fast as did when I bought it nearly 10 years ago. BUT, I didn't buy it to be used as a gaming laptop, I bought it to be used as a regular laptop. So I haven't wore out the fans nor overcrowded the drives or stressed the CPU. Proof that a few extra money spent can indeed go a long way. On two occasions it did do the dreaded blue screen. I blame that on faulty Windows updates. But she's still going strong!
@ahayesm
@ahayesm 2 роки тому
A lot of OEM thermal paste degrades and/or pumps out so it's a good idea to do a sanity check on CPU temperatures with HWiNFO and Prime95 and repaste if temps get out of control. (by out of control I mean thermal shutdown, throttling below base clock speed, or reaching a steady state temperature over 90C with stock power limits (12900K excluded))
@jackkraken3888
@jackkraken3888 2 роки тому
I just use Speccy to do a quick test and it once caught a PC which was a bit too hot while doing nothing.
@user-mc7ez6lm4x
@user-mc7ez6lm4x 2 роки тому
This video is addressed to a different level users. And if you haven't changed thermal paste in older laptops many times before, it would be safer and less time-consuming to have the repairman handle both diagnostics and the procedure itself. Most of the times diagnostics will be free no matter the result of it.
@techguydilan
@techguydilan 2 роки тому
Replacing thermal paste isn't something I've had to do often in the repair industry, maybe once or twice. In practically all cases of thermal runaway I have seen was due to vents clogged with dust and debris, or the occasional bad fan. For that reason it's still not a bad idea to do what you said, and check temps. But I'd start with simplest solution first, checking dust and fan performance, before delving down into deeming the thermal paste bad: As far thermal paste itself, yes there is good and bad thermal paste. But it all gets to the point where it will look "dry" while not being a solid indicator on whether or not the paste has "gone bad." The thermal paste industry is kind of gimmicky in that they spend a ton of marketing money to convince people that it in fact does go bad regularly. Even the metric they use to measure performance is watts (of heat dissipation) per square meter, which when scaled down to the size of a CPU, a difference of 10 watts per square meter will be hardly noticeable if it is at all. That's not including the fact that once the HSF is squeezed against the CPU, the thermal paste actually doesn't cover it from end to end. Only in the microscopic crevices created by the manufacturing methods. Maybe a coverage of around 5mm total is done with thermal paste. I have used RadioShack branded "silicone thermal" paste, which only cost me 35 cents for a 2 ounce tube on an Athlon II X4 before (replaced stock paste because I had to undo it to test the CPU on a friend's board). Worked fine for 2 years, and probably would have gone longer if I hadn't upgraded the cooler for the sake of overclocking, so I opted to use its included thermal paste. Regular silicone paste is about the worst you can get performance-wise.
@BrunodeSouzaLino
@BrunodeSouzaLino 2 роки тому
All thermal paste degrades over time. It's a consumable. Eventually, it dries up and stops performing as it should.
@techguydilan
@techguydilan 2 роки тому
@@BrunodeSouzaLino only in OC'ing and times where people will run their computers for literal months while clogged up with dust and cigarette smoke remains have I seen thermal paste go bad enough to really matter. Thermal "pumpout" is actually the issue and not it drying up (which turns the paste into a powder, a lot of times visible on video card or bottom of the case). Modern PC CPU's stock generally don't run hot enough to do that. While drying out, apply some paste, and check back in 2 months. It'll likely be dry, so does that mean you should replace paste every 2 months? And yes, I have had paste dry up so badly that pulling and twisting on the hsf while removing it also caused the CPU to pull out of a latched socket before. Monitoring software showed no thermal issues prior to doing so. Generally when people replace thermal paste they address other issues while not realizing it -- Including removing dust and reseating fan connectors. They then attribute those gains to the paste. Which leads me to my last part, telling users via a social media platform to just replace their paste without investigating much simpler issues first actually does them a disservice. As they're more likely to damage something tearing their PC's apart that much with no prior experience just because some tech bro told them on UKposts. One thing replacing thermal paste as a first jab at diagnosis helps, is the bottom line of the companies that produce it. It's all about the money. Converting old PC's to SSD's especially when they have an HDD which is on its way out on the other hand, I always get noticeable performance gains from that.
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