Why F1 Wheels AREN'T STRAIGHT

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@bobbyrandom5595 5 місяців тому

As an engineer and a budding sim-racer, I think this is my favorite video of yours so far. It perfectly toes the line of technical explanation and real meaning for the adjustments without becoming an hour long tuning course. Great stuff Scott! I've got some new things to think about while tweaking my car in ACC. Speaking of which, please show ACC some more love on Trophi! Especially the Huracan Evo 2 😉

@alecmillea4539 5 місяців тому

So glad to see a collaboration between my two favourite motorsports content creators! I’d love to see more technical explanations from the two of you! Keep up the great work guys!

@aidan6029 5 місяців тому

Rear toe-in actually creates more stability by effectively lengthening the wheelbase through corners. It actually makes the car less nimble. For example, in a left-hand corner the vehicle load is primarily on the right side. So if the rear wheels are toed in, the right rear wheel is actually turned towards the left. This is like a car with rear wheel steering having the rear wheels turned in phase with the fronts at high speeds, which promotes stability. If you wanted the car to be more nimble, you would want the rear wheels to turn opposite to the front wheels. Which is why cars with rear wheel steering have the rear wheels turn opposite to the front wheels at low parking lot speeds. But having toe out in the rear for a race car would make it far too unstable to be practical.

@8alakai8 5 місяців тому

renault laguna had it on one model rear wheel steering

@lingSpeed 5 місяців тому

It's not lengthening the wheelbase, its shortening the moment arm of front axle and opposite on the rear, effectively moving the grip balance rearward. But what we feel in car has more to do with inertia, as toed-in car requires less rotation to reach cornering angle, reducing the overshoot rotation after it has been reached. Also rear toe out not being a thing in racing isn't really about stability. Its about grip balance, because loaded tyre has higher peak grip slip angle, so only a toed-in setup can reach peak grip on both tyres at the same time. Rear wheel steering is nice but no need to go as far for rear toe changes... many older porches (due to space limits having engine where suspension links would like to go) turn the rear wheels into the corner as hard or harder than typical RWS does through bump steer (and there are cars with opposite effect but that's rare).

@bigcazza5260 4 місяці тому

i keep the rear as straight as possible for less rolling resistance front little bit of toe out and neg camber for agility back cant do much with leaf springs (falcons) and solid axles (go karts)

@bigcazza5260 4 місяці тому

mainly for low horsepower high pace

@ThatBeTheQuestion 5 місяців тому

I was not expecting Verstappen's former engineer to be an American.... That was weird.

@nicholascrow8133 5 місяців тому

Lower tyre pressure and the resulting extra tyre flex also helps (and hinders, depending on the situation) in building tyre temp

@BPBomber 5 місяців тому

Glad you guys crossed over with Brraakkee or however he spells it. He seems like a great guy with a ton of technical and analytical knowledge of F1 cars. I’d love to see him be successful in this

@stanbest3743 5 місяців тому

They have reverse Ackerman front geometry because of weight transfer meaning the outside wheel can stand more slip angle. They aren't designed to be driven slowly 😊

@underSTATEDexcellence 5 місяців тому

Funny but long story My weekend warriors suspension is completely adjustable (ride height, camber, caster, toe) and I spent a good month every weekend dialing it in. Every time my neighbor would come out and say “you broke something again”, even after I clearly explained it to him. And he wasn’t joking or being pedantic he literally couldn’t understand it. Flew straight over his head every time. The chick across the street understood perfectly, even his wife got it. He just doesn’t get cars and how they can be your passion. He would tell me “You must hate having to do that” when all I hated was him…. Lol

@KevinJDildonik 5 місяців тому

It's like reading a book and someone keeps asking if you're doing homework because nobody could read books for fun that's hard work... Like nah fam, I just have an IQ over 70 and I like to keep it that way.

@dsdy1205 5 місяців тому

> a good month every weekend lol

@underSTATEDexcellence 5 місяців тому

@@KevinJDildonik yeah you know a month so 30 days but just on weekends, so 30/2. Edit: I didn’t graduate college, I grew up poor. Lol

@iplayeddsharpminor 5 місяців тому

Love these videos and perfect timing. Still play Grand Prix 4 which helped me learn so many setup best practices before I even really understood the concepts behind them. Looking to finally upgrade to newer sims soon and many have additional things like pressure and camber to contend with so this will be going into the favourites!

@SkunksterPlaysPoorly 5 місяців тому

This was a great explanation of the various suspension settings on these cars. I’ve always wondered how they are able to get it set back up correctly when a driver destroys a corner and all of those parts need to be replaced. It’s not like you ever see them doing an alignment in the garage.

@Dexmente 5 місяців тому

A collab a I didn't know I needed. Awesome content.

@user-tn1vc1xz5d 5 місяців тому

Speaking of high cars.....I drove a Vauxhall Zafira VXR around Thruxton once. The front tyres deserved a mention in dispatches.

@MrReese 5 місяців тому

Great collab, I have been watching his channel from time to time :).

@nutsmcflurry3737 5 місяців тому

Scott, what about a series about the pitfalls and idiosyncrasies of the current F1 tracks? After this weekend I imagine there will be a lot of things to talk about from LosVegas.

@johnbarker5009 5 місяців тому

This is a particularly good video, a topic I don't think some of more recent F1 fans understand. All those mechanics swarming over the car during practice and qualifying have a lot more to do than placing the cooling fans and wiping the car with a polishing cloth. I think there's a tendency to think they drive nearly the same car at all times, or maybe they set it all up at the shop using simulator data and just run it that way. That's never going to be the case. The simulator isn't perfect, it's just close. It can't know exactly how the pavement aged over the last year, fully incorporate any pavement heaving or new patches that occurred since their last visit, or deal with normal variations in temperature, humidity, or the likelihood of rain.

@mulgerbill 5 місяців тому

Thanks Scott, this is perfect for dabblers like me and an ideal jumping off point for my mate Dave who is going deep into the Sim Racing rabbit hole Saved for future reference. 😎

@tonywright8294 5 місяців тому

Toe in and toe out increases grip due to the scrubbing effect. The maximum grip occurs just before the tyre slips it’s known as the slip stick effect .

@dundee2858 5 місяців тому

Great video! I love these kind of technical videos and this one’s especially good cause now I finally know what all my settings in sim racers do

@cracklecracklebaybay5612 5 місяців тому

Absolutely love these sorts of videos. 👍🤙 Totally nerd out for 16 minutes. 😆

@chrismoody1342 4 місяці тому

I look at this as a Forza sim player. The whole tuning the suspension was paramount to building a great car. You wanted to build as much mechanical grip as possible without applying to much downforce slowing the car. I’d spend hours watching the heating across the tires when at track speeds. Next was how compliant the suspension was. Getting the bump rate was pretty straight forward but getting the rebound rate was much more complicated. When you hit the sweet spot the car would be a pleasure to drive.

@635574 5 місяців тому

I play 2 mobile tacing sims and yhe drift focused one has tire wer simulation, some setups definitely wear lower than others. Good thing they added time attack mode recently I can test these parameters there.

@Gdad-20 5 місяців тому

Good Deep dive guys. This is quite a deep subject as much of it is largely to do with rider/driver preferance.

@420_laundry 5 місяців тому

as someone that learned skiing on straight planks.... That sounds like the difference between those old old straight skis compared to carving-skis.

@guttsu 5 місяців тому

Man you could've easily just made a video about the toe-in/out and covered the title. But this was really in-depth and really interesting, thanks!

@geemy9675 5 місяців тому

quick math 800kg*5g/4 each tire with contact patch the size of your palm is actually pushing the road ~1000kg towards the outside of the turn (and same reactive force tranfered to the car towards the inside)!

@RE650NZGraeme 5 місяців тому

I was just about to ask about Front Anti-Dive and Rear Anti-Squat!! And Push - Pull rod systems... and there it was in the last minute!! Thanks

@vincecarlo 5 місяців тому

This Explains it Very Clearly

@hamadwaleed5452 5 місяців тому

This is mega it helped me alot and please we want more car setup videos please ......... thanks🙏🐐

@synthetiCore 5 місяців тому

Fantastic video; very informative. I went and gave this dude a sub (the Texas flag being just a bonus).

@rolandotillit2867 5 місяців тому

Toe has an aero effect. Toe in increases the wake on the inboard part of the wheel, toe out reduces it. Of course for the effects to be significant you have to run like 5 degrees of toe, not realistic or practical. Outwash inboard of the wheel does the same thing as geometric toe out from an aerodynamic sense.

@battlebooms6429 5 місяців тому

As an mech eng student in Germany, trying to compete in Formula Student, this was extremely helpful. It fits well into our lectures and gives me some pretty important english technical terms!

@Mercenaryow 5 місяців тому

Was ist Formula Student?

@battlebooms6429 5 місяців тому

@@Mercenaryow I'll answer to that in english so our fellow readers can understand this :D Formula Student is an engineering-design competition where students of the technical faculties design, build and race a formula style car.

@Mercenaryow 5 місяців тому

@@battlebooms6429 cool! I didn't realise there was such a thing. But of course, engineers also need new blood. I wish you every success there!

@battlebooms6429 5 місяців тому

@@Mercenaryow Thanks very much!

@tanishkven7762 5 місяців тому

That's nice to see, I am also a student in Germany working in a Formula student team, it's nice to see other formula student members watching the same videos !! Also might I ask which team you are currently in ?

@tonystewart7179 4 місяці тому

Why is this more informative then my actual works training back when I was learning alignments 😅.

@derekbentley334 2 місяці тому

Straight lines the causes for the wings at topend to keep ground. 3 wires and natural order.

@otaviomeireles3909 5 місяців тому

Thank you very much for this video! Amazing !

@matthewschreiner2039 5 місяців тому

Scott, I love your technological insights. My father introduced me to motorsport as a young child. However, he was a romantic and a bit halcyon about the grand prix he attended. I am always interested how cars work and not necessarily how good the driver is.

@HBrooks 5 місяців тому

one thing the sims/games could do would be to better represent graphically in the settings window, how any settings would actually affect the car. the amount of camber represented graphically such as in this video would be a great help with new drivers/players

@flexinclouds 5 місяців тому

Forza motorsports & horizon 5 are really good with the depth & realism of the tuning. But they just give a description iirc. A diagram/picture should definitely be included for those not already familiar with all of it

@kirbybucks1662 5 місяців тому

I already knew why Lance's wheels are always facing in different directions but thanks for the vid

@pranc236 5 місяців тому

Some towards the wall and the other rolling down the track

@alundrasrt 5 місяців тому

First I thought that the diagonal tire contact is longer that shorter straight contact but I know it's deeper than that too.

@Gdad-20 5 місяців тому

We use to run our back wheel out of line, Toe to the right on speedway bikes, to keep the bike straight, when conering/keep the bike running in line...... 👍🏁🇬🇧 Although on speedway, we only turn left! Lol 😂

@wyskass861 5 місяців тому

Anyone can change the toe settings in their own car and experience the effect themselves. Quicker turn in or stability vs tire wear. Of course camber and caster. Rather than spending thousands on mods, a simple wheel alignment adjustment can do wonders for performance. Unless you go nuts with it and make everything worse.

@mohammadsattar5488 4 місяці тому

Just as a train has its steel wheels set on an angle on the railroad tracks so it will go straight but if you put the wheels square on the they will go into themselves

@kpsig 5 місяців тому

I would like you to break down the driving style of your dad, and his way of setting up the car. That would be such a treat…

@ljhamilt 5 місяців тому

Common misconception in here about the effect of camber on contact patch area. Camber doesn't affect TOTAL contact patch area. Contact patch area is simply a function of tire pressure and load (weight). So a tire inflated to 20 psi supporting a 400 lb load will have a contact patch area of 20 square inches regardless of camber. Camber affects the SHAPE of the contact patch and therefore the distribution of stresses within the contact patch which can have a large effect on grip. Otherwise brilliant presentation!

@TastyBeverage 3 місяці тому

This is the video in needed as a kid playing gran turismo

@shrimp3487 5 місяців тому

This is exactly what i needed, now imma try these out in assetto corsa

@noahdoerfler1865 5 місяців тому

Mercedes W11 has something to say about that

@moiz04 5 місяців тому

LOL 😂

@The_ZeroLine 5 місяців тому

brrrake just told us that AM’s performance drop was due to the flexi wing TD, but then they reverted back to their old aero package and got fast again. Whoops.

@thesunnynationg 5 місяців тому

Tire Pressure is like the A and O of Motor Racing

@DaredevilGG 5 місяців тому

Interestingly, camber, caster and toe is actually something that all road cars have built in as well, though it's obviously not for performance, but to manage the wear of tyres, and they do have to be adjusted every now and again, and tyre pressures is obviously something as well, but that is more common knowledge than the others

@M0UAW_IO83 3 місяці тому

It is also for handling and performance as well as tyre wear, road car setup is a compromise between many factors, if it were set wrong you'd pretty soon be complaining about fuel economy, lack of manouverability, heavy steering and picking bits of your car up off the side of the road after you'd lost control and smashed it up on a corner.

@DaredevilGG 3 місяці тому

@@M0UAW_IO83 Well yeah, i just mentioned a few, as i didnt want to get too much into it

@irishswtpea 5 місяців тому

I loved this video! As someone subscribed to Blake’s fraudulent podcast(s) and his extra website goodies, this was really excellent. He is so knowledgeable. I hope the two of you collab again!

@oniakuma5429 5 місяців тому

Far Early , Benz F1 car can adjust toe in/out while racing by push down & pull up the steering wheel❓

@mrbungle3310 5 місяців тому

Sometimes the camber like in brazil is super visible or spa...it even looks funny

@stever2583 4 місяці тому

Which racing series uses straight aligned wheels? i'd be interested - I 've never seen racing car wheels aligned straight !

@pjay3028 5 місяців тому

Interesting that they typically run toe out at the front. Can anyone tell me whether they use Anti-ackerman steering geometry to reduce that toe out with steering angle?

@Khaynizzle7 3 місяці тому

I still do not understand how to out gives you more bite when the weight is going to be over the outside wheel more.

@bbbenj 5 місяців тому

Very interesting, thanks 👍

@biggallcaps 5 місяців тому

It is honestly a shame how little wiggle room for adjustments related to the tires the teams actually have. With how tire development has progressed to try to provide maximum durability and consistency, it really has killed the unpredictability of tire strategy during the races.

@nvcnc 5 місяців тому

In part this is a safety issue. Too low tire pressures can be faster and yet cause damage to the tires leading to failures.

@NBSV1 5 місяців тому

That’s what you get with a single make in a high level series. There’s no competition so tire makers do what they want and blame the teams if there’s a problem. Rather than design a tire that works with what the teams want they’re designing tires for what they want and making the teams try to figure it out.

@8alakai8 5 місяців тому

even your normal car the wheels dont all point strait forword with front wheel drive they point slitly to the outside to compensate voor the power on the wheels that will pull them inward

@nickcook7408 5 місяців тому

Not true - look up the target parameters for any fwd car, you’ll see they always toe in. Manufacturers prioritise customer desire over engineering knowledge.

@donwest5387 4 місяці тому

I had my slalom car set-up with toe-out. Faster "turn-in"

@nolanpeters5462 5 місяців тому

Spreading the load..... Got it.

@tonyloosa9500 5 місяців тому

What if there was a way for your wheels to automatically adjust the camber angle to maximize grip, improving acceleration, breaking, corning all while extending tire life and improving fuel economy?

@dsdy1205 5 місяців тому

That's active suspension

@12th.jahlil 5 місяців тому

That level of active adjustment isnt even made, itd most likely weight alot though, it might be slower then manually setting it up

@Noreceipts400 5 місяців тому

@@dsdy1205 I dont think that impacts camber. Just damping and spring rate i believe

@tonyloosa9500 5 місяців тому

The total weight added to the car would be very minor. The angle adjustment would be calculated by and onboard computer weighing less than a smart phone. I'm the patent owner this concept.@@12th.jahlil

@AaronBuma 5 місяців тому

Why is the side-skirt at 12:45 censored out?

@RSCRaiden 5 місяців тому

I thought heave springs/third springs were banned with the new cars?

@chriscosby6612 5 місяців тому

Do some drivers ever prefer understeer?

@joemann2178 5 місяців тому

They would go faster if they could get the wheels straight. A common wheel alignment for around £100 would fix it for most cars.

@Robot_Overlord 5 місяців тому

This was a great video.

@ayampop8923 5 місяців тому

im an engineering student and want to have a job in motorsport but too bad we're at a different part of the globe

@javiergutierrez1031 5 місяців тому

You are one of the the best and combined with Blake...$$$

@_MAXrevs_ 5 місяців тому

Love your content❤

@Robert-cu9bm 5 місяців тому

With tyre pressures @ 20psi how do they get the responsiveness out of the steering? Especially with the old cars running 15 inch wheels.

@Dyson_Cyberdynesystems 5 місяців тому

Because contact area has nothing to do with friction. The contact area has to do with the structural integrity as well as wear and tear on tires. People never distinguish the physics involved when talking about "traction"..

@Robert-cu9bm 5 місяців тому

@@Dyson_Cyberdynesystems I'm not talking about the contract area. However the contact area is directly responsible for how much friction there is. Bigger contact area equals more friction. I'm talking about low pressures allow the rim move. Lower the pressures in any vehicle and the steering becomes less responsive.

@Dyson_Cyberdynesystems 5 місяців тому

@@Robert-cu9bm I mean. I'm not giving you an opinion. Friction is completely independent from contact area. It is a product of the friction coefficient of two materials and the normal force applied to the contact plane. Tires would be less "responsive" because the tire structure collapses under lateral forces. You can counter for that with structural sidewall reinforcement or lower profile tires..

@Robert-cu9bm 5 місяців тому

@@Dyson_Cyberdynesystems we're taking about contact area and friction on cars. The More contact area on a car the more friction you get. F1 must have really stiff sidewalls then.

@derekbentley334 2 місяці тому

Why or Where is MIT in chassis builds

@sebulbathx 5 місяців тому

Very interesting! But what confused me a bit was the fact that he was american or talked like an american I mean I was expecting a british accent since many or majority of people seem to be british on most F1 teams. I understand why they are there but I feel the tyre supplier shouldn't tell the teams how they should setup the car. I mean it almost become the case when Pirelli has their min. tyre pressure, camber etc.

@mattyallwood 5 місяців тому

This was great

@five_weeks 5 місяців тому

The contact patch is really only the area of your palm? Isn't that less than a typical street tire?

@metalpiston1212 5 місяців тому

Just found out about this as well. Wonder how small the patch is for old grooved tyres

@amaccama3267 5 місяців тому

Vote 1 for Scott to drive the Bloodhound LSR. C'mon big guy step up. 😊

@exoterric 5 місяців тому

So this is why Ferrari can have a great pace but burn up tires. They sacrificed tire longevity for higher grip to keep up where red bull needs less camber to keep the same grip with their overall better design, aero and setup.

@averywilson6143 5 місяців тому

7:55 lol

@philw8080 5 місяців тому

i dont like many videos, this one got one.

@underSTATEDexcellence 5 місяців тому

Good so I don’t need that alignment after all.

@AtomicAndi 5 місяців тому

Short answer: Because corners!

@mirnivoznik8536 5 місяців тому

Finally we talk about settings. People only praise drivers and know NOTHING about how the car works and that this is actually a team sport. All of these settings (that you can easily get wrong) play a massive role that can decide a race (by tyre wear, slow-speed corners, grip ...). And yet even the F1 commentators only say "Lewis wasn't feeling it today".

@mickmcgood6543 5 місяців тому

I love this channel but can I make a tiny suggestion. I find it exhausting the way that the audio is edited so that there is no pause whatsoever. I think it's more enjoyable and easier to absorb the information if you don't edit out the tiny pause when the narrator needs to breath.

@derekbentley334 2 місяці тому

The loss of of what? From times races to run to have chances causes im coming by knowing. This so beyond mosts understanding