Why It Costs £14,000,000 to Drive a Formula Car Upside Down
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£14,000,000. That’s how much Project Inversion is going to cost. It’s a huge amount of money, and in this video, I’m going to share why it costs so much.
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1) • I'm Going to Drive an ...
2) • How We Designed the Ca...
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If you’re new to this series, we’re planning to drive a Formula car upside down - for 5 seconds - with aerodynamic force alone.
So, the main costs, as you can imagine, are the car, building the tunnel and hiring the location. And just the size of this project is astonishing. 1330 tonnes of temporary steelworks. 131 tonnes of temporary aluminium works. 49,000 metres squared of plywood - that’s the same as 7 football fields. And, all of that plywood has to be held together with something… almost half a million screws!
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@communistpropagandist4608 4 місяці тому
Not sure why you're spending all this effort just to drive upside down when the Australian F1 happens every year.
@Silverwolf_XVI 4 місяці тому
Hahaha
@aidenryan1369 4 місяці тому
as an australian, living upside down isnt that bad, its just the drop bears that suck.
@ikenna6958 4 місяці тому
😂😂😂😂😂 for real. Could also find a track in New Zealand
@nos9510 4 місяці тому
i laughed way too much at this one.
@dmitri546 4 місяці тому
What he means is that he wants to drive right side up in Australia
@legendarycuber9205 4 місяці тому
I'm surprised this hasn't been a redbull project yet, seems right up their street. I like this better though, I love the engineering and the science that we wouldn't get to see otherwise
@sergioccs74 4 місяці тому
Don't really know. It might be because of price, redbull is loaded as fuck but justifying 17 million is always hard. Then again, stratos project exist and it had a budget of like 60million so basically maybe they didn't thought about it?
@Elvewizzy. 4 місяці тому
@@sergioccs74 RB does have the luxury of having people to market this event. Imagine Max showing up for example. Heck they had Felix jump from Space (Pmuch). Never say never.
@henrik1743 4 місяці тому
At this stage we will have 30 videos about this before it’s done, feels like it’s just making these videos begging for a sponsor to come along
@sergioccs74 4 місяці тому
@@henrik1743 well it's an expensive project he needs to do everything he can for it to happen
@IIARROWS 4 місяці тому
Who tells you that Redbull isn't sponsoring this? Pretty sure they will put something in it.
@connorhd3201 4 місяці тому
TBH I'm getting the feeling this is never going to happen, especially with the sign off of 'this is the final instalment for now.' I feel like it's going to be next to impossible to raise those funds and this project is just going to quietly vanish.
@TheTutch 4 місяці тому
As I understand it they've analysed technical feasibility and that's pretty much it. The actual driving upside down part (if it ever happens) is years in the future. If he kept making videos about it they'd all be: "we are looking for sponsors. As long as we dont have a good chunk of the money we need, everything else is on hold."😂
@bobdonovan34 4 місяці тому
All for a video we would skip our way through in 2 minutes or less.
@eabradley1108 4 місяці тому
For me it was the "7 football fields of plywood, and $18 million". Shit, you'd basically need to go to a salt-flat or a major airport runway to find that much flat ground in a row. And I just don't see this massive structure getting set up in the desert, nor do I see a major airport shutting down for a youtube video.
@sjorsal1 4 місяці тому
@@eabradley1108not really, he talked about needing 4 layers of plywood. Also it has a tube of 7,5 m high and 700 m long. So if you extremely simplify it, it’s also folded. So you’re actually down to 7/8 of a football field (he is British so means soccer for Muricans) that you need as surface area for this construction. 7/8 of a football field is roughly 6.000 m2. 6000 m2 / 700 m = 8,5 m of width needed. Basically a long straight on a racetrack or runway as he explained.
@eabradley1108 4 місяці тому
@@sjorsal1 I did forget it was layered, but that's still only the secondary problem. It's still ludicrously expensive, requires a massive amount of materials, and the project cost and time will inevitably bloat. A project like this, especially a temporary one, is so hard to greenlight because it requires such an immense amount of materials that you'll mostly want to source and purchase up front for consistency's sake, which brings a risk of wasted materials if you run into issues along the way. And yes, he's obviously talking about soccer fields, that's why he showed a picture of soccer fields.
@Ami_BK 4 місяці тому
I'm surprised Redbul (not the racing team just the brand) isn't sponsoring this madness!
@user-tu5yi4pe2z 4 місяці тому
I hope they just didn't think about asking them and will do that soon
@Luca.Caligari 4 місяці тому
They will for sure ..
@DejonckheereWard 4 місяці тому
yet*
@gabrieldias3479 4 місяці тому
Maybe they have already and Mansell is just creating a suspense. TBH, I don't think he would create and post this project here on YT without having something in his sleeves already.
@AlexFlodder 4 місяці тому
@@gabrieldias3479 And the brands shown already, might be the ones. Pure speculation on my part.
@mclarenjohnf1 4 місяці тому
I admit I thought it would be expensive but that is eye watering, I see lots of sponsorship deals in your future. Best of luck Scot.
@DEADB33F 4 місяці тому
Figure given is the absolute worst-case scenario. Shouldn't cost anywhere near this when all is said & done. Most of the plywood could be re-sold for construction. The scaffold & trusses will all be hired not bought (that's how scaffolding works). Those are about the biggest costs covered. Venue will likely come from a sponsorship deal as well.
@ross-carlson 4 місяці тому
@@DEADB33F I bet you $100 this A. doesn't ever happen and B. if it did, and that's a HUGE if it would be AT LEAST DOUBLE that estimate. This is idiotic. Love Scott, love the channel but this is beyond stupid.
@Eat-MyGoal 4 місяці тому
@@ross-carlson Yeah, this whole series of videos is playing on the naive while getting views, subs, likes and ad revenue - and fair play to Scott if he makes some coin from all of this, it's fun and harmless. 100% this 'project' ends up in profit for the channel.
@sophiamarchildon3998 4 місяці тому
@@DEADB33F I am not an engineer, but don't materials fatigue (deteriorate) with use and stress? Maybe that will make reselling them for their original purpose, or renting (hiring) them, not as cost-saving. Also, having to work different sponsorship together could also incur its own financial weight (e.g. materials from America, track in Europe). And as some seasoned project managers will concur, take the estimate and double it: because shit happens. I align with your thoughts, and looking forward to the final report on the project!
@LHSlash 4 місяці тому
@@ross-carlsonyes, exactly my view. It would cost double but also don't think there is a chance to happen. This is a very interesting academic exercise - not more than that.
@choubidoupl 4 місяці тому
As a project manager, I think there are a few clever ways to drive down the net costs through a complete lifecycle analysis. I think recycling should be considered as a way to revalue all the waste this is creating. I think a change of material (eg. switch non-recyclable plywood to steel) might drive the costs up but would also drive the recycling revenue way up effectively reducing the bottom line. I see all this material expense as a big waste of resources and a potential impact on the market prices. Public acceptance might need to be considered beyond UKposts fame to prevent public-initiated road blocks.
@samfedorka5629 4 місяці тому
I think they are already considering reselling or recycling the plywood and other materials. They mention at 8:53 that screws will allow them to reuse much of the surface and their engineering partners are focused on sustainability. This video seems to be about the up front costs, presumably they can also resell the car and part out the motors and battery to recoup some of that cost as well.
@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks 4 місяці тому
plywood is recylable though, it's called scrap wood, and can be used in many applications, from random furnature to structural to many other things. just because the plywood's been used doesn't mean that it can't be reused in some way shape or form. though buildning a house with it might be asking a bit much, that's also an option.
@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks 4 місяці тому
plywood is recylable though, it's called scrap wood, and can be used in many applications, from random furnature to structural to many other things. just because the plywood's been used doesn't mean that it can't be reused in some way shape or form. though buildning a house with it might be asking a bit much, that's also an option.
@R_J 4 місяці тому
Steel is way to heavy for this. If they use a steel surface, the frame will need to be much stronger and thus more expensive.
@niewyimaginowany87 4 місяці тому
Additionally car need a grip, so steel could be to slippery
@Puj0 4 місяці тому
You need to sell pieces of plywood with supporter names on them. Great way to include supporters in a project and to give them some memorabilia.
@jimmyy9273 4 місяці тому
They could use it to make around 70 million 3cm key rings incase you were wondering
@justincharles6585 4 місяці тому
@@jimmyy9273How much does a key ring cost over there ?
@calvinchabot2528 4 місяці тому
This is actually a fantastic idea. 49,000 square meters of plywood, sponsored at 370$ a meter would cover the entire cost of the project. That’s low enough that small business and even individuals could get involved. 👍
@DavidBcc 4 місяці тому
@@calvinchabot2528 And no-one would get noticed.
@calvinchabot2528 4 місяці тому
@@DavidBcc do you have a better solution?
@marzocchi705 4 місяці тому
Fast jet para-harness might be the option for keeping you in place. Designed to work upside down and has 5 point quick release for emergency.
@patapata17 4 місяці тому
yup, he needs a friend with an airplane to test that seat belt , get comfortable with it AND to get used to do stuff upside down 🙃
@JK4600Ace_of_Spades 4 місяці тому
I hope he will see this comment as i think that this is the solution. I think it would be cooler if he were to use jet engines to achive the required speed as those are also designed to work upside down. But either way this is a really cool project. I also think that the jet engine should be used to generate the electricity to power the electric motors as the electric motors can porvide way more instantaneous torque to accelerate the car fast enough to have enough speed to drive upside down for the desired time. Do you think i should write him an email to tell him? I am unsire that he would notice.
@echo9082 4 місяці тому
I believe adding jet engines, especially on a chassis not designed for it, will drastically increase project costs and variables at play @@JK4600Ace_of_Spades
@yurilopes420 4 місяці тому
what is a "5 point quick release"? i am assuming it's a latch you can remove that is holding on to 5 different spots of the harness, in just one click? or is it the opposite? 5 different latches you gotta click to release the safety? would seem rather counter productive 😂😂
@JK4600Ace_of_Spades 4 місяці тому
@@yurilopes420 it is 5 latches all running to a single point where they are connected and you can disconnect them with the simple push of a mechanical button on this connection. Usually 2 over the shoulders then 2 around your waist and then one or two running between your legs, depending on how tightly the latch(es) need(s) to be.
@DjDolHaus86 4 місяці тому
For the location you might try to enquire about the former city airport in Plymouth (Devon). As far as I know it's in a state of flux where it's no longer a working airport but they can't redevelop it as was the original plan, the runways are still functional and maintained as far as I'm aware. Right next to the hospital as well 😂
@positiveenergyautomotive9724 4 місяці тому
Not a bad idea! I grew up there before moving to Aus and this would be a decent reason to go back and visit😂
@BlazinHunter 4 місяці тому
The amount of effort you guys are putting into this is incredible. Will be glad to watch the end result. Hopefully it goes smoothly.
@dennis8019 4 місяці тому
its all chatter ..... this is not going to happen... due to safety regulations and lack of cash.. its just simple as that..
@ross-carlson 4 місяці тому
@@dennis8019 OF COURSE it's not going to happen, while this is a "cool" idea to do it as a small group is basically impossible. Someone like RedBull could *maybe* get it done but this, this will NOT happen I'm sorry to say.
@onlyeyeno 4 місяці тому
@@dennis8019 Though I understand the temptation of being contrary, but I can't help but wonder exactly which "safety regulations" You are referring to ??? I'm not saying I believe this will necessarily happen, but seeing how preliminary all the planing is, not least the location of where they will attempt to construct and attempt the "stunt". I don't understand how You can know what ""regulations"" that will be applicable ?? Best regards.
@messierobjectm1 4 місяці тому
@@dennis8019it's frustrating to see the channel posting these videos when it's obviously never going to happen. We will end up getting an AI Sim, or a model. Cheapens the Drive61 brand
@pozkodeth 4 місяці тому
@@onlyeyeno Spot-on.
@makb_the_striker 4 місяці тому
2003: I read about young driver Scott Mansell who races in BossGP, and hope it would help his career in the journal "Formula 1". 2023: I watch the same guy on UKposts, but he have made business analysis for running open wheeler upsidedown, and seeking for sponsorship. What a mad world, but fortes fortuna adiuvat. Hope you'll succeed 🙂
@justinwalsh8512 4 місяці тому
I have always heard the concept about a F1 car drivinng upside down and wonderd why nobody has done it. Now i know why.
@JohnnyWednesday 4 місяці тому
Hi Legend - I recommend you also develop a small RC car that's capable of the same feat, you could drive it remotely with FPV gear. Not a great simulation but it might highlight something and it'll help get funding
@Slikx666 4 місяці тому
Scott. I've got a serious suggestion for a place to set up the project. Plymouth airport. It's permanently closed, it's owned by Plymouth city council. The runway is long enough at over 1 km long in a east west direction. And because it is a good thing to have quick access to, Derriford hospital is about 800m away and they also have a helicopter pad. The downside is it's an airport and they're windy. One other thing is would it be a good idea to have a 'this way down' gage in the car? It could be as simple as a needle that tells you that you're on the floor, upside down and in the perfect place. It might sound silly or it might be distracting, but it's a thought.
@Tom_Hadler 4 місяці тому
The gauge is called an artificial horizon, and they exist in planes. Good idea
@Slikx666 4 місяці тому
@@Tom_Hadler Why I couldn't remember the name I have no idea. Thank you. 😆
@dranaugh3687 4 місяці тому
This man is bringing us the milestones we need for TrackMania in real life!
@randomguyontheinterweb 4 місяці тому
You're definitely gonna need to test driving on plywood attached with screws at that fast with that much downforce. F1 cars pull manhole covers out of asphalt.
@bg22757 4 місяці тому
Good thing he isn't driving an F1 car then
@edthegoomba 4 місяці тому
@@bg22757 ah don't be pedantic, you know what he means, all that down-force pulling the car towards the road is also pulling the road towards the car, F1 car or not its going to need to be tested on plywood.
@ant2p2 4 місяці тому
@@edthegoomba That's if there's a lot of underbody downforce, it's unclear if there is here
@edthegoomba 4 місяці тому
@@ant2p2 very solid point, id imagine they are going to try and use the spoiler and stuff as much as possible to avoid warping the ply too much but we will have to see. something else that came to my mind while watching was the half million screws, they better make sure they sink every single one of them well to avoid a tire blow out, but also not too deep either or it can just crack the ply
@althejazzman 4 місяці тому
They are coating the plywood with a high grip finish, so that may help to bond it all together.
@jowofoto 4 місяці тому
You guys didn't hear the end where he says this is the final installment unless he gets sponsored
@petiertje 4 місяці тому
Yep, noticed that too. I'm quite sure the main problem is getting enough funds. Sounds like they have the structure and plan in place to attempt it but are looking for sponsors and a suitable location. I would also make this an event of some sort, people paying to gain access, have stands where people can get information about the project. Sponsor companies who can share info about the science of it, have a simulator where people can experience what it feels like etc. Plenty of opportunities to increase the funding and awareness about this in so many different ways.
@stagger87 3 місяці тому
Getting RedBull as a sponsor would be insane, seems like something they'd absolutely want to sponsor, Especially with the whole thing about an F1 car being able to drive upside down. Someone's gotta reach out to RB.
@justluke8730 4 місяці тому
I am still convinced that he'll never do it and just creates the videos on it, which aren't expensive to make and people seem to love.
@NexuJin 4 місяці тому
Scott has always done what he advertised on his videos all these years. The project is very ambitious, but doesn't seem impossible.
@YagiChanDan 4 місяці тому
Also worth the videos from a pure learning experience.
@worminator15 4 місяці тому
This is so crazy yet so cool And pretty awesome that you started this project! Wishing you the best man
@haraldgrnvold5518 4 місяці тому
It feels like this series went very quickly from "We're gonna drive an F1 car upside down!" to "We're gonna make an upside down-car"
@tinyrodent2821 4 місяці тому
I agree, it's obvious that putting "F1" in the title is the clickbait, but after the first video it's gone from "F1" to "Formula", the very first sentence from this project is "I'm actually going to drive a Formula 1 car on the ceiling of a tunnel". Except they knew from the very start that he wasn't.
@brandonmcmahan676 4 місяці тому
I'm so down to support this! I wish y'all had a sponsor tier list with a piece of memorabilia relative to the amount contributed to the project as a way to crowd fund this!
@tinyrodent2821 4 місяці тому
I reckon this would be a great way to get even a decent percentage raised. £1 gets you one of the screws kind of thing, maybe even tickets to view the event. 250k views on this video alone, and if they do an official reveal with a large sponsor (redbull), I can't see why they can't raise atleast over £1mil from just fans wanting to be a part of it.
@Serenity_Dee 4 місяці тому
Fingers crossed that it all goes well! Every time I see a new video in this series I remember reading in a car magazine circa 1999 a claim that one of the variants of the McLaren F1 had so much downforce that it'd continue to adhere to the road even driven upside down. I didn't think anyone actually would have wanted to put this to the test - this was back when cars without any kind of internal combustion engine were years away at best (the OG Honda Insight was the only hybrid you could even find in the States), which meant, per the last video, the engine wouldn't have run upside down, to say nothing of the cost - but I always wondered what it might have looked like.
@washinours 4 місяці тому
That Monster ad, got denied by RedBull and throwing a jab? :D Can't wait to see that mad thing succeed!
@petiertje 4 місяці тому
Wouldn't surprise me, and surprise me at the same time. This is right up RedBull's alley and it would surprise me if they would deny a sponsor request for this. If that would be the case I wouldn't be surprised about the jab at RedBull by suggesting a sponsor logo and showing Monster energy 🙂
@NexuJin 4 місяці тому
Should have put in a logo of Rich Energy, just for the giggles.
@bricanaday 4 місяці тому
Will you test the downforce of the car on the plywood to see if it will pull out the screws? It just reminded me of F1 race Baku years ago and more recently F1 race at Las Vegas, where the car pulled the manhole covers and damaged the car. I wouldn't want to see this car inverted and the plywood comes off. Just want to see this project succeed, safely. :)
@nickhaddon538 4 місяці тому
This is madness, but I hope you can pull it off. This needs a lot of visibility, hopefully big news sites pick this story up.
@Dario__ 3 місяці тому
I was stunned the very first time i hear you are working on this project and turned out to be even bigger than i can imagine. The journey is going to be incredible, a coulpe of years and maybe a driver swap, i strongly believe in your project to be one of the most exciting stunts ever done
@tiddliewinkse2952 4 місяці тому
Nice job editor - made a really interesting video for the fans and some clever marketing in there too. props.
@aaroncutts1597 4 місяці тому
I suspect that it will feel strange on the pedals as the heel usually rests on the floor due to gravity. This may cause discomfort when performing the stunt. Perhaps something to consider if you have not already.
@nemojunglist 4 місяці тому
Why not use a high angle bank test track like the one in Maricopa, AZ with the exit being the inverted part in the following straight? Way less material in the approach, and the weather in the fall/ winter is pretty consistent throughout the day. Also less constraints on the car as far as the curvature it would have to account for and aeeodynamic descrepancies.
@martinro5455 4 місяці тому
This ambitious project will have it's place in history and will stand alone. The progress is remarkable and I wish you all the best for it.
@welern2liv815 4 місяці тому
Nice lead into your sponsor segment...Absolutely Brilliant!
@blurglide 4 місяці тому
Consider making the car depart on the opposite side where it enters, like doing a barrel roll. You won't have to change direction while upside down, and the structure should be stronger.
@philipjkb15 4 місяці тому
The issue here is you won't be able to see inside. They mentioned that in a previous video
@blurglide 4 місяці тому
@@philipjkb15They could make the middle part of the ramp completely upside down, with just roll on and roll of points on opposite sides of the ends
@bluebull1985 4 місяці тому
@@blurglide great idea - like a suicide mission or what? in case of an issue, you cant steer down,..
@karstensvenningsen8128 4 місяці тому
Could it be an idea to have a helper car that has the F1 upside down on top of it in the right height and bring it up to speed before the tunnel. Then tunnel should then just be the ceiling. It could go out to the side when the F1 is sucked to the ceiling, and go under to catch it again after. This must be cheaper to construct because the ceiling is flat and the ramps are unnecessary, the doesn’t need to be modified
@emenesu 4 місяці тому
That's cheating.
@karstensvenningsen8128 4 місяці тому
@@emenesu in what way is it cheating? The goal is to see I driving upside down. So what leading up to, and away from, isn’t important.
@niconico3907 4 місяці тому
Nice idea, but getting the car synced at the end would be difficult. I think it would be better to add a retractable landing gear on the car.
@ChingitaThe 4 місяці тому
Good luck mate, can't wait for it
@tonytony-yw7tg 4 місяці тому
i will consider it as success by just looking at a amount of work and well analysis. Really hope the project can actually go on.
@fine9375 4 місяці тому
Will there be live tickets for this? I've GOT to see it!
@DalePicolet 4 місяці тому
I can conceive of a couple ideas to run a car upside-down using only down force that avoid both the roll over transition and the need for the power source to be inverted. Both employ bogie wheels to support the vehicle until sufficient down force is generated. Not as impressive but sufficient in obtaining the goal of going upside down using down force. Would also only need a structure about 5-10 meters tall with no need for a curved driving surface.
@Tom_Hadler 4 місяці тому
Is it like a hotwheels loop, that transitions to inverted for a straight bit, then comes back down again..because that would prevent this long transition of doing a roll. He should go in via a loop. The tight radius would aid in staying on due to centrifugal force. Much simpler structure, more efficient. The way they're doing it is daft
@Tom_Hadler 4 місяці тому
Just read your comment properly. Can't picture yours, but mine would surely work better than their cantilevered roll over tunnel
@niconico3907 4 місяці тому
@@Tom_Hadlerdo you know how big a radius you need for a half loop to be able to be survived by the car doing 100miles an hour?
@srr441 4 місяці тому
Just loan a McMurtry with 2000kg of fan assisted down force at 0km/h in a 1000kg car and stick it to the underside of a floor slab in a parking building. Demonstration complete. It's not like they're using an F1 car now anyway.
@ChrisBLong 4 місяці тому
This is a great idea. Some kind of retractable (telescopic/hinged) outrigger legs with small wheels at the end extending from the top of the car. The car starts inverted in a simple rectangular tunnel with a flat roof, resting on the outriggers but with its own wheels pressed up against the roof. It then accelerates to the necessary speed and retracts the outriggers, leaving it driving fully inverted as intended. As the end of the tunnel approaches, the outriggers are extended again to take the car's weight. The outrigger wheels would probably need to run in some kind of track to provide directional control and braking.
@nos9510 4 місяці тому
I am so hyped to see this happening!
@mkidd1987 4 місяці тому
I'm a structural engineer myself. Can't wait to see this. Good luck!
@Sonderax 4 місяці тому
This is the sort of project that should tour different large shows and showcase the incredible engineering. This is a lot of money for a 1 time stunt
@nicholascrow8133 4 місяці тому
The labour and shipping involved in that would be astronomical. I'm not sure they would get any sort of return on investment from that unless there is some major sponsorship deals. Keep in mind that the video alone is going to make a substantial amount of money without having to worry about the logistics of moving the whole shebang. Not to mention it sounds like they are aiming to rent as many of the components as possible
@appa609 4 місяці тому
If he does it once he has a 1% chance of dying. If he does it 50 times he has a 39.5% of dying.
@lac3rbi 4 місяці тому
What an amazing project, a dream come true
@pichu766 4 місяці тому
Have you considered doing it at the salt flats near wendover Utah? Dry conditions, super flat, easy shipping access, common place for Motorsport activities. I’m not sure if it would be tricky to get permission to build it there though. But it might be easy to build due to its natural flatness. I guess wind could be an issue out there too
@Adlamo 4 місяці тому
I know it wouldn't be quite as cool, but you could demonstrate the physics by making a machine to rotate the car upside down while in a wind tunnel. Would be wwwwaaaay cheaper.
@ZachTheMaker 4 місяці тому
Exactly!
@Gramercy_Stiffs 4 місяці тому
So would you just have a stationary car, with brakes applied in a rotating cylinder? My brain is trying to process the physics.
@Adlamo 4 місяці тому
@@Gramercy_Stiffs yes it's all about wind velocity relative to the car. This is how auto makers test cars in wind tunnels (stationary car). You would just rotate the car upside down with the wind on.
@bosstowndynamics5488 4 місяці тому
@@AdlamoBecause the original premise this is based on is that an F1 car can drive upside down. Using a different high performance, high downforce car is still in the spirit of this. Sticking the car, stationary, in a wind tunnel less so, even if it does still technically use the same physics.
@janzander459 4 місяці тому
you could maybe talk to Würth. they are manufacturing screws in germany and are also sponsoring sports events (also racing) so they might be interested.
@entity1325 4 місяці тому
Imagine if you could get the speed down to 88mph (back to the future reference) also incredible what you're doing. Making history right here
@justpostedagain 4 місяці тому
I wondered who you were talking to for structures, but Expedition would be right at the top of my list. Clever people. Good luck with it!
@lupo10 4 місяці тому
2:30 the photo of the car upside down on the street. Two facts: 1. I rode my BMX on that curved road as a quarter pipe. Only got one attempt as security was straight on it. 2. That street is the street in Sheffield that had the flat from Four Lions. Bonus 3. After it was installed, a loud air raid siren went off. Heard it at work.
@henrik1743 4 місяці тому
At this stage we will have 30 videos about this before it’s done, feels like it’s just making these videos begging for a sponsor to come along
@Huberciskooo 4 місяці тому
Maybe RedBull or something would sponsor this thing :P
@TheShoeJr Місяць тому
Honestly, I think that if you want to do a combustion engine, a rotary might work out pretty well. You don't have to worry about upside down oil pans starving the engine of oil, as oil is distributed amongst the apex seals, not relying on gravity to keep the bottom end of the engine lubricated. Just a thought, but it might be worth considering.
@Luca.Caligari 4 місяці тому
This is Super cool 🔥🔥 Goodluck !
@WilliFR 4 місяці тому
RedBull should sponsor this project
@leefisher816 4 місяці тому
just because you can, does not mean you should.
@RedHatMedia 4 місяці тому
I'm wondering if you already contacted some formula student teams about buying electric motors directly from them. Quite a few of the teams (at least here in Germany) design and build their own motors (or partner up with manufacturers). The specs should also be pretty much what you need, so you could save a lot in development cost. In the last years some of the teams even sold motors to other teams and it was far from being hundreds of thousands.
@dfpguitar 4 місяці тому
There so many barriers to cross but in regards to being upside down, it might make sense to allow a test pilot to drive it rather than a regular race car driver. Also its just struck me that the same goal of proving the aero can hold a car upside down, can be achieved with an giant loop the loop, hot wheels style. But it would be so big that it might be harder than the existing plan. Steering would be easier though.
@dielaughing73 4 місяці тому
Scott, how does this pricetag compare to what you expected starting out?
@TrevorDennis100 4 місяці тому
Will you be having spectators? Unfortunately, I am 12,000 miles away in New Zealand, assuming this will happen in the UK, but I'd pay serious money to be there if I lived in the UK. How much would Sky Sport pay for broadcast rights? I'm sure you'll be using off-the-shelf instrumentation for the track. I used to machine load cells for the Road Load Data section at Ford UK Product Development at Dunton, but I didn't attach the strain gauges. There was a lot of work in them, but I expect they use CNC to machine them now. I also worked in the MIRA Wind Tunnel which I you might be using to test the car and measure the downforce. I have feeling that the F1 teams have more suitable wind tunnels though, and would be more inclined to give you time free of charge than MIRA.
@DEADB33F 4 місяці тому
If it picks up enough traction from sponsors it'll likely happen wherever the venue is sponsored. A Vegas airstrip, Dubai, UAE, etc. ...would be my guess.
@thunderduckie01 4 місяці тому
You're going to need belts in addition to the traditional racing harness. You'll need your legs strapped to a hard point and possibly your feet anchored to the floor or pedals. When you go inverted, gravity is going to pull your legs and feet to the top of the cockpit, reducing your ability to keep your feet firmly on the pedals. As far as the excess strap length on your shoulders, some wide Velcro strips should keep them from entering you field of view. Also, Have you considered installing a safety track? Hard to describe, but basically a centrally located, enclosed tube with a trolley inside that incorporates a distance of safety strap (say half the height of the inverted tube) that can catch the car should it lose contact? It can be long enough to prove that you are inverted under the cars own power but just short enough to keep you safe.
@Nerb1 4 місяці тому
Pilots dont anchor their feet. Its easy to fly upside down.
@thunderduckie01 4 місяці тому
@@Nerb1 Respectfully, a pilot is only controlling the rudder and brakes with his/her feet. The throttle is hand controlled. Driving upside down is completely different. Not only are your feet controlling the throttle and brake, but every single variation in the driving surface is going to try to lift your feet away from the pedals. This could cause a massive loss of speed and control.
@DEADB33F 4 місяці тому
When the car is driving upside down is it still generating downforce or is it now upforce? ....these important questions need answering.
@JohnCharb87 4 місяці тому
The location would more likely take place at a air field. Or a drag strip. The latter would be more feasible. However the question would be if they would allow you to build the tunnel on their property. A hypothetical sponsorship from Dewalt would be interesting. They are a subsidiary of the massive American corporation Stanley Black & Decker which also owns Craftsmen.
@Adierit 4 місяці тому
If it's temporary they probably won't have many issues with the understanding that it'll be taken down afterwards.
@waldolemmer 4 місяці тому
What does the DeWalt sponsor have to do with the venue?
@jonathansanchez1305 4 місяці тому
If those motors are in the wheels and unsprung, they will make the wheels bounce more over any bumps or seems in your driving surface. Inboard motors will keep more traction over bumps.
@dezertraider 4 місяці тому
HAPPY NEW YEAR..BEST OF WISHES..
@lawrenceh.7011 4 місяці тому
Build the inversion tunnel for future use by other car manufacturers as well as for private use and make it a profit center.
@WarmedGlacier 4 місяці тому
Just a thought, you could inspire a generation of teenagers and generate more engagement and perhaps also some funds by reaching out to secondary schools to modify RC cars that would also run inverted - run a competition on a miniature track and winners can run their cars on the full scale track. I know I would have dedicated everything to something like that when I was in school! Robotics competitions is what got me into engineering.
@theJPdesign 4 місяці тому
That's a crazy good Idea!
@encryptedmaze 4 місяці тому
thats a really good idea
@Dlabelmard 4 місяці тому
5 seconds whaat ! Ive seen alot of video on the projects but that detail somehow eluded me so far !!
@egj1975 4 місяці тому
What do you mean... were you expecting more. If you drive for 15 seconds than the cost of this all is 2-3 times more. 3-5 seconds is more than enough to prove the concept and everything beyond that is just waste of money (BIG amounts of money for nothing)
@ISirSmoke 4 місяці тому
@@egj1975 how about a whole track upside down and then a race series
@TheGreatChrisB 4 місяці тому
When the car is 90 degrees to the road and the weight is being pulled horizontally to the car will the downforce be heavily effected do to the change in direction, and load on the suspension. I imagine being upside down is actually not the hardest part, but instead getting to that point will be.
@user-xw7xk2fx3w 4 місяці тому
this tunnel is essentialy a massive add pannel, i'm sure companies would love to pay to see their logo on it
@tifosistaymad583 3 місяці тому
So we’ll get the next episode of this series around GTA 7?
@AnteqMemes 4 місяці тому
Just get sponored by redbull.
@boing615 4 місяці тому
I think a big risk on this is not breaking traction on the transitional zone, once you're past the halfway mark the downforce will be actively lifting the car up but up to that point only the friction between tyres and tunnel will be holding you, if you light up the rears and lose traction the rear will slide and drop, you'll lose downforce and the whole car will drop.
@xKanastax 4 місяці тому
You’d have to build the driving surface like a twisted ribbon so he wouldn’t have to turn his wheels and lose traction. I think the car needs to be able to generate twice it’s weight in downforce too, or close to it.
@boing615 4 місяці тому
@@xKanastax That may help, I was thinking of the huge torque on demand with a small, light and all-electric car, I guess throttle maps could soften the demand to minimise the problem.
@OriginalApexTwin 4 місяці тому
It just gets more insane...I love it!
@Dqtube 4 місяці тому
It looks like it costs a lot, but it's still cheaper per metre than HS2. In the current British reality this may be the cheapest infrastructure initiative, so well done.
@lolzlolz102 4 місяці тому
A needless a pointless comparison.
@MrSaemichlaus 4 місяці тому
This project is in the private sector, it won't be signed with the lowest bidder and then finished just short of a civil war.
@TheRealWilliamWhite 4 місяці тому
@@lolzlolz102 salty
@YtseJam16 4 місяці тому
Now make it last 60 years 😂
@MoGumbo_ 4 місяці тому
where tf this dude make this video? in the Gulag?
@H3llsHero 4 місяці тому
Have you considered selling tickets for a live in-person audience to watch the event, to recoup from the costs as much as possible?
@W1ckedRcL 4 місяці тому
This is gonna be so sick. Can't wait to see it.
@asylumental 4 місяці тому
Okay.. but in reality, do you honestly think you're going to spend $17,000,000 on this project? Seems like it would be pretty hard to see a return of investment for that price... especially considering this video on got 250,000 views after 2 days...
@honzasplichal3596 4 місяці тому
I would like to reply to everyone who says Project Inversion is a waste of money. Sure it is very expensive, but the technical challenges that need to be overcome to pull something like this off are immense. However, solving them will come with many new discoveries, that can be very helpful in other technical fields or sciences. Not to mention the children that can watch this happen, many of them will be fascinated and drawn to towards higher technical education (in my country the interest in engineering is going donw). Not to mention it will just be really really cool to se a car going upside down 😅
@cgunugc 4 місяці тому
We know how aerodynamics works, mostly, and we know how electric cars work. They're not doing R&D on this.
@user-sv4rp3yd4x 4 місяці тому
Kids are going to watch a 30 seconds clip of the car driving upside and then flick onto another video and forget about it in 5mins
@petiertje 4 місяці тому
@@cgunugc After decades of combustion engines, they still find new ways of improving them and new technology to make them better. Electric cars are nowhere near as developed as cars with combustion engines. The same goes for aerodynamics. Sure, people know how they work, but improving knowledge and skill in those fields never stops and can still be massively improved. These kind of projects are going past the intended use of a lot of the technology involved, I'm quite sure that everyone involved learns a ton about it because of that. Just the study of how to do it is R&D in itself.
@petiertje 4 місяці тому
@@user-sv4rp3yd4x And some will watch the other video's about it and be inspired. That's how it works, not everyone will become interested in the science or technology behind it. Same as not every kid wants to become an engineer or scientist. That's how it works everywhere, here too. If there are a few smart minds going in to these kind of fields and improve transportation when they grow up it will affect millions. People/kids can't get interested in something if they never see or hear about it. The kid that forgets this one can see something he/she is interested in with the next video and pursue that as his/her goal.
@andyharman3022 3 місяці тому
I think this is an idea that is long overdue for demonstrating. We racing enthusiasts have been saying for 40 years that F1 and Indycars can drive across a ceiling. But I got sticker shock when I saw the price tag on the video title. Maybe you need to set more of a commercial goal for the tunnel. Make it a permanent structure as part of a race course or automotive-themed amusement park in the Middle East, funded by oil money. If you succeed in performing the stunt, maybe people will want to experience it as passengers. Build two-seater cars so you can give rides. Start a school to train EXPERIENCED drivers how to do it. Or maybe go back to the drawing board to figure out a cheaper way to do the stunt. Find an existing building with a flat ceiling that could be driven on, then you would only have to build a half-revolution helical transition ramp. Make a balloon-shaped path on the ceiling that the driver would have to follow to turn 180 degrees to get back to the transition ramp to make the exit. It would be a much more challenging stunt for the driver. Instead of just going straight while inverted, he would have to make right-left-right sweeping turns at 90 mph to save his ass by finding the exit ramp.
@seabiscuits 4 місяці тому
I know you’ve got a plan using civil engineering equipment but have you looked at stage engineering builders? People like Star Events, Stage One, StageCo, ESG or Serious Structures? They might be quicker, cheaper, and still as safe. They build temporary structures all the time.
@benwatkins3794 4 місяці тому
50% of the video you just repeat previous videos
@vascosoares8188 4 місяці тому
Red Bull will sponsor this for sure
@hgrghost_actual 4 місяці тому
I wish you to be safe, and Godspeed. I really hope to see you do this, safely. This will be a historic moment.
@MechmanGetrieb 4 місяці тому
Make it happen !! Happy new Year.
@bignosemac1 3 дні тому
All gone a bit quiet. I'm thinking it'll never happen and its been nothing but clickbait. Sub cancelled.
@fissionchips8840 4 місяці тому
It's feeling less and less like just driving an F1 car 🏎️ upside down which lets face it, was the original objective...
@AwareOCE 4 місяці тому
What an insane cool and enormous project, this is going to be so damn awesome to see!
@hellobooom 4 місяці тому
Don't hold your breath!
@bg22757 4 місяці тому
15 million dollar stance car😂 In all seriousness, this has to be one of the most epic challenges in the history of UKposts, and i wish you luck!
@r1kpnk 4 місяці тому
What a waste of money
@PadreAlan67 4 місяці тому
I like what you are doing, but I must admit I am glad you have stopped calling it a "Formula One" car, and I am not sure you should be calling it a "formula" car. The engine/chassis/aero/suspension combination will never be used for anything other than this project. So, you are not answering "can a formula car drive upside down?", you are asking "can a specifically designed car drive upside down?" and I'm not sure that was ever in doubt.... the answer to "Can a Formula 1 car run upside down?" is very obviously "NO!".
@cristibaluta 4 місяці тому
Totally, i would be very disappointed to see another car there, but i think there will be no project
@alesksander 4 місяці тому
Definition of formula is correct usage IMO. Formula means sorta == following your rules or "formula". :D Thats even why Fomula 1 got its name from. ;) They are just following own rules with car build around this problem.
@marioalbertogonzalez 4 місяці тому
I know it's a high number, but now that we have that, it feels like it will actually come to happen. Something talked about for decades by countless fans will come to be. This is amazing!
@johncoach14 3 місяці тому
One stage of testing I hope you planned on: driving the correct (normal) way up, but in the curved surface of the tunnel. So you get real world readings of the downforce, on the curved surface.
@NSX.R 4 місяці тому
And for the entire 10 minutes of the video, I was waiting for Scott to say “Let me explain” ~ 😂
@Atmos_Glitch 4 місяці тому
God bless engineering and science! This shit gonna be rad af!
@CrazyBar50cal 4 місяці тому
Ireland has quite a few unused airfields that may be cheaper and suitable to use for the tunnel to save some Money. Gormanston airfield owned by the Army is unused and has a fire service etc
@salt-emoji 4 місяці тому
In terms of funding, reaching out to dewault, redbull, makita, etc would be amazing sponsorship. Especially if you coordinated an audience for the actual day
@acurarl9929 4 місяці тому
Setup a recycling program and you can cut price if you set up to sell the structures after
@tanktank7204 4 місяці тому
Incredible undertaking 👍
@rwes61 4 місяці тому
Thinking BIG!
@yanniskramer8805 4 місяці тому
How do you know when to stop driving on the curvature and come back down? Maybe LEDs on the side of the bridge that change color with your position or on the steering wheel? Why don't you have an halo? Wouldn't it make sense since it is unclear how doable it is and that you could overlook something? Will the data from the sensors and all the plans for the car be released?
@bosstowndynamics5488 4 місяці тому
The halo on F1 cars is to protect drivers from flying objects from other vehicles crashing. If there are other vehicles crashing on their closed circuit they've got bigger problems than loss of downforce
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