Why Westerns Matter (And Should Again) - Rageaholic Cinema

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@marshallsumner4239
@marshallsumner4239 Рік тому
The Japanese have the samurai and daimyos, Europeans their Kings and knights, the Scandinavian countries the vikings, but we Americans have the westerns. Each people’s legends teach them some of their history and values. It’s past time that Americans return to the freedom and rugged individualism of the old western gunslingers that we all want to be.
@goosegirl941
@goosegirl941 Рік тому
Great point!
@tinfoilhatter
@tinfoilhatter Рік тому
ironic'ly enough, them values, may or may not have stood-the-test-of-time, i guess it all depends on who yer askin', as to what they're tryin' to accomplish with these curiosities, am i right?
@dextercochran4916
@dextercochran4916 Рік тому
Star Wars has all of that at once. That's why it's so fuckin huge.
@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971
@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971 Рік тому
Come out to SW Montana and north eastern Idaho. Not much has changed much in some towns and it’s awesome. I have an old gold mine head frame and cabins on my property from the 1860s
@Sandman_Slim
@Sandman_Slim Рік тому
Are you drinking paint thinner again?
@_XR40_
@_XR40_ Рік тому
There are people who use the word _cowboy_ as a derogatory term, an insult. But in a country with a comparatively short history, the "Cowboy" is the American version of the "Knight-Errant" - This should tell you everything you need to know about those people...
@thewayfarer8849
@thewayfarer8849 Рік тому
Not much different to a ronin or vagabond, come to think of it, there's not much difference in the Musashi legend. They may as well have been calling him 'cowboy' and that dismissal helped make him great.
@vonfaustien3957
@vonfaustien3957 Рік тому
@@thewayfarer8849 there's a reason some of the biggest westrens were straight up remakes of samurai movies with the setting swaped
@Azraelseraphim
@Azraelseraphim Рік тому
But Cowboys have the least amount of sex appeal compared to the other guys
@tybaltd.1521
@tybaltd.1521 Рік тому
@@Azraelseraphim Thats because the writers heard stories from men who lived it, or the glowing recants of their sons and daughters. It was gritty, unvarnished, and closer to the truth
@dragonknightleader1
@dragonknightleader1 Рік тому
@@vonfaustien3957 Erm, Kurosawa was heavily influenced by John Ford, so it's more like Cowboy > Samurai > Cowboy.
@CNNBlackmailSupport
@CNNBlackmailSupport Рік тому
Audie fucking Murphy... 19 years old, 5'5" out of ammo, led the charge and captured a German bunker. He received EVERY COMBAT VALOR AWARD THAT EXISTED.
@kartikayysola
@kartikayysola Рік тому
And did it with fucking Malaria. Which he had for the whole time he was deployed.
@CNNBlackmailSupport
@CNNBlackmailSupport Рік тому
@@kartikayysola He was just trying to up the challenge so it wasn't too easy for him.
@LOTR22090able
@LOTR22090able Рік тому
And then Sabaton wrote a song about him
@jharris0341
@jharris0341 Рік тому
I named my first-born son after Lt. Murphy.
@The_Mighty_Fiction
@The_Mighty_Fiction 8 місяців тому
You ought to see the photo of him in uniform with his medals on. Guy's wearing more iron than Tony fucking Stark.
@providencebreaker1558
@providencebreaker1558 Рік тому
I would say even the amoral protagonists you'd see Eastwood and Bronson portray are still infinitely better role models for young men than what we have today. The ability to carry yourself with dignity while not allowing anyone to dictate how you should live or how you should think.
@jacobnewell7845
@jacobnewell7845 Рік тому
Amoral as they were, they still have their code.
@abrahemsamander3967
@abrahemsamander3967 Рік тому
Even in the old anti hero spaghetti westerns. Good triumphed over evil in the end, even with some hick ups here and there. Specifically the dollars films.
@KratostheThird
@KratostheThird Рік тому
@@abrahemsamander3967 Spaghetti westerns were the turning point. A lot of cheesy 40's and 50's generation westerns just amount to silly musicals while the action consisted of John Wayne style scenes. The men get roughed up and bruised a bit, but the violence had to be greatly toned down, since Hollywood back then was still under the Hays Code. There were no real anti heroes, just standard heroes like John Wayne who had to portray their patriotism in every other western. Clint Eastwood spaghetti westerns were far more raw, violent and vulgar, for lack of better terms. Then America tried to imitate the style with films like The Wild Bunch. The infamous shootout scene near the very end of the film generated a lot of controversy. We started to get films that contained profanity and more crude themes that would of been outright banned during the Hays Code era.
@vincentmarcellino7183
@vincentmarcellino7183 Рік тому
Exactly. They weren't morally black and white. They were shades of grey and showed that a man who appears good is capable of great evil and a man that looks mean can still do the honorable thing. That's a very good moral to teach kids and something that reflects reality a lot more than the shining beacon of morality protagonists
@TrueBuddhaCat
@TrueBuddhaCat 8 місяців тому
Frankly, that’s what I found myself relating to as a kid and even today While I didn’t grow up on Westerns; even though I live in freaking Texas; my favorite/influences were amoral characters Characters like Guts from Berserk, Batman(especially from Batman: TAS and Justice League), Goliath from Gargoyles, Doom Guy from DOOM, Scorpion and Sub-Zero from Mortal Kombat, Kenshin from Rurouni Kenshin, and many more even today with Goblin Slayer As much as many don’t want to admit, having an amoral character helps write the character far better and the growth of the story as well Too bad many “modern writers” don’t have a clue what an amoral character truly is
@TheHangarHobbit
@TheHangarHobbit Рік тому
The problem with doing a modern western is simple...modern Hollywood can't write bad guys for shit and won't make anything without sticking "the message" in with all the subtlety of a 1980s Very Special Episode. Look at the classic Leone westerns, Angel Eyes, Tuco, Rojo, the bad guys in his movies were fucking awesome! Today you get Marvel Villains which are either cookie cutter cartoon baddies or snarky comic relief. So while I would love for westerns to make a comeback they will have to be made outside the USA like the Spaghetti westerns of old because Hollywood simply cannot make a decent western these days without royally cocking it up or cramming propaganda down our throats.
@cargosquid
@cargosquid Рік тому
Villains? Hell... they can't write any GOOD characters. When was the last time Hollywood wrote a hero? Even Captain American and Thor came out of other sources. And Hollywood can't wait to screw with those. Create heroes...fat chance.
@spencerwilliams461
@spencerwilliams461 Рік тому
I dunno. Some of the villains in Yellowstone are real pricks. Lol. Same with all the Anti-heroes and heroes.
@The_Mighty_Fiction
@The_Mighty_Fiction Рік тому
The Daily Wire just made a Western. Movies _can_ be made outside the open-air shithole that used to be Hollywood.
@jpteknoman
@jpteknoman Рік тому
what once were villains are now the heroes of the writers of hollywood. just look at Kenobi, Reva (the villain who's always angry, violent and impulsive) is their idea for a good role model for children
@The_Mighty_Fiction
@The_Mighty_Fiction Рік тому
@@jpteknoman Villainesses. Disney at least have spent the last few years trying to pull off 'villainess rehab' movies, like Maleficent or even Cruella, a woman who literally want to _skin puppies._ And long-time fans of Doctor Who may have noticed that as soon as they turned the Master into a chick, she started re-evaluating her life choices about five minutes later. Regardless, they can't seem to chick up Westerns. They tried anti-heroines (The Quick And The Dead, anyone? Bad Girls?...Yeah, me neither) and failed abysmally, which is why I think they shelved the genre. They were like 'We're not making movies for dudes, fuck all y'all.'
@mr.gorgenchuck6501
@mr.gorgenchuck6501 Рік тому
I hope we can find our way back from post-modernism, which ironically has been around for so long it’s now traditional. The minute we decided we were all too hip for mythological archetypes and our entertainment started elbowing us in the ribs everything went to shit. And the western is our American mythology.
@icestationzebraassociates2460
@icestationzebraassociates2460 Рік тому
Post post modernism is where it's at
@miniondaechir
@miniondaechir Рік тому
@@icestationzebraassociates2460 prefer neo-traditionalism
@thewayfarer8849
@thewayfarer8849 Рік тому
What gives me hope is it's dead on arrival, a self-defeating and ugly philosophy. It has to be pushed, and steal from others. The thing about upending something and creating from negativity is it invites the same. We'll return to championing true art more, and probably be even more appreciative. A massive cultural thing; history will say 'these people tried ruining a point to anything, and when they failed we never forgot the beauty in archetypes and meaning'.
@Sakattack2023
@Sakattack2023 Рік тому
@@thewayfarer8849 lol I hope you're right. Movies like the Northman fail because it's not a known IP. But meh movies like topgun succeed.
@thewayfarer8849
@thewayfarer8849 Рік тому
@@Sakattack2023 I think fail is a relative thing with good stories, it didn't make as much cash, but the acclaim it got by a lot of people is underdog. They had to run hitpeices before it dropped and after, it wouldn't be the first cult classic people pretend they always liked when allowed/commanded to
@Muck006
@Muck006 Рік тому
The reason why westerns are great/necessary can be said in one sentence: *_“In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.”_*
@natestathes
@natestathes Рік тому
What is that from?
@Rock-my2ko
@Rock-my2ko Рік тому
@@natestathes Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
@readyorknot2344
@readyorknot2344 Рік тому
I hope you brought your towel
@readyorknot2344
@readyorknot2344 Рік тому
That hit me like a goldbrick wrapped in a lemon
@pramanabudiman9761
@pramanabudiman9761 Рік тому
42, the meaning of life
@bigprobllama
@bigprobllama Рік тому
Imagine a world were there was no Disney SW and they used the Western "Lone Gunman" formula for the Kenobi series, with the Jedi wandering through the desert and getting rid of scum all over Tatooine. Or if the Mandalorian was a proper bounty hunter working his way through the outer rim...
@adamkenway7308
@adamkenway7308 Рік тому
There's a Star Wars Expanded Universe novel from before the Disney purchase called "Kenobi" that is essentially a western with Obi-wan as the Mysterious Stranger. It's really good.
@jamesthompson7694
@jamesthompson7694 Рік тому
Stop it, I can only be so erect.
@loudtaste1046
@loudtaste1046 Рік тому
@@adamkenway7308 it’s great and yet Disney still fucked it up
@squelchotron8259
@squelchotron8259 Рік тому
@@adamkenway7308 I'll have to read it.
@nathansteinfromarkham7109
@nathansteinfromarkham7109 3 місяці тому
Shut up and take my money!
@ScrogginHausen
@ScrogginHausen Рік тому
Fun fact: my grandmother in her 20s (which would've been in the 30-40s) wrote a western script for film class called Chisholm whose main character was modeled after her dad, a Scottish immigrant, and sold it to a studio for $50. Years later John Wayne starred in a western called 'Chisum' (pronounced like her maiden name) that was eerily similar to the script she wrote.
@jaredt5127
@jaredt5127 Рік тому
I sing that shit all the time 😆 Chisum, Johhhn Chisuuum 🎵
@BoSmith7045
@BoSmith7045 Рік тому
That is so cool. Also kinda messed up. $50 was nice little payday back then but no where near what she should have been paid. But that's Hollywood for you.
@silverhawkscape2677
@silverhawkscape2677 Рік тому
@@BoSmith7045 That's the risk you get for selling a Script to a Movie studio who could make more without Royalties.
@AbrasiousProductions
@AbrasiousProductions Рік тому
That's absolutely amazing! My great grandfather shook hands with john Wayne in 1955
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 Рік тому
Any relation to Jesse Chisolm?
@juanescobarrojas8330
@juanescobarrojas8330 Рік тому
I absolutely agree with the need to make more old school morality stories. I’m getting tired of the old “nobody is entirely good or evil” tales.
@apocalypticash1242
@apocalypticash1242 Рік тому
Jordan Peterson I think said it "Moral Ambiguity is the cowards argument." I frankly have to agree. Those stories are annoyingly stupid. What? Should I do nothing?
@juanescobarrojas8330
@juanescobarrojas8330 Рік тому
@@apocalypticash1242 yeah that’s honestly it. Moral ambiguities tend to come from lazy writing. What’s more compelling is having a morally upstanding character have his principles tested and rising above the odds to become better.
@jamesdevore3022
@jamesdevore3022 Рік тому
Unfortunately they won't make any new westerns without gender/race swapping characters (Think 2 Mules for Sister Sarah where the nun is a dude in drag) and the western just doesn't lend itself to modern SJW sensibilities. That and most of the real people (Wyatt Earp, Buffalo Bill, and Wild Bill) have been cancelled by modern people because something they said or did in their time is now immoral and insensitive.
@charliechurch5004
@charliechurch5004 Рік тому
@@juanescobarrojas8330 YES!! THATS WHY I LOVE BATMAN!!
@RicardoAGuitar
@RicardoAGuitar Рік тому
I agree that no one is entirely good or entirely evil, but while that may be the truth of the matter it makes for lousy entertainment
@Ryan_Thompson_Guitarist
@Ryan_Thompson_Guitarist Рік тому
The Sergio Leone trilogy with Clint Eastwood was how I got into old movies, and I still rank it among the best movies ever made.
@973sandman
@973sandman Рік тому
Sergio Leone among best directors ever.
@darrylldoucette6895
@darrylldoucette6895 Рік тому
Don’t forget that the Coen Bros remade TRUE GRIT IN 2010 and in 2018 the excellent western anthology, THE BALLAD OF BUSTER SCRUGGS. The classic Western may never again define the culture but it still has stories to be told by thoughtful filmmakers.
@theminister1154
@theminister1154 Рік тому
He also fubared the best TV Western (lonesome dove) & the best 80's Western (Silverado.) There's a new widescreen cut of Lonesome dove they made to broadcast alongside 1883, which is pretty tasteful of Tyler Sheridan given that he completely stole 1883 from McMurtry's book. You know when something is better than Deadwood in it's own category it's pretty fuckin' good.
@TheUnholyHandGrenade
@TheUnholyHandGrenade Рік тому
Yee-and I cannot stress this enough-HAW.
@MrDman21
@MrDman21 Рік тому
🤠 yippy-kiyay!
@TheGreenKnight500
@TheGreenKnight500 Рік тому
I'm beginning to see the gravity of what you just said.
@noleafclover1641
@noleafclover1641 Рік тому
They matter because they represent every that is good about America and everything that is missing in modern America: Rugged masculinity, femininity, individualism, a sense of objective morality, discipline, liberty. All of which are desperately needed back in modern day America. That is why they are important.
@theobell2002
@theobell2002 Рік тому
"Liberty" Ah yes, nothing was more liberating than the good ol' times of genocide and slavery. 🤡
@reikun86
@reikun86 Рік тому
My grandma was born and raised in Japan. Of all things, Westerns were her favorite genre. She married my grandpa after he took her to see a John Wayne movie.
@KratostheThird
@KratostheThird Рік тому
@Raylan Givens Not to mention Chuck Conners was tall with his 6 foot 5 inches frame, was strong willed and was a great role model for the youngsters. My Baby Boomer dad loved The Rifleman. As many Boomers did.
@KratostheThird
@KratostheThird Рік тому
@@reikun86 John Wayne - rugged, conservative, stood for American patriotism, participated in conservative politics, knew his role. All things that many Millennials and Zoomers are sorely lacking.
@KratostheThird
@KratostheThird Рік тому
@Raylan Givens I just realized that these leftist controlled media streaming services don’t have some vital westerns.
@williamw2529
@williamw2529 Рік тому
List of film mentions/recommendations: 3:21 the searchers 4:32 have gun will travel 5:43 a fist full of dollars 6:40 Django 7:16 Sartana 9:05 The Great Silence 10:14 The Outlaw Josie Wales 11:13 Pale Rider 14:22 Deadwood (show) 16:00 310 to Yuma, Appaloosa, The Old Way 17:00 Bone Tomahawk 17:14 Dark Valley, The Salvation
@theminister1154
@theminister1154 Рік тому
MIssing: *LONESOME fuckin' DOVE,* Hell on Wheels, Sliverado. Add more if you got em. Razorfist also mentioned Shane & Open Range & the Australian one, which is a pale shadow of Lonesome Dove but still not bad. As is 1883. There's another Costner miniseries which I liked somewhat, forget the name. And a pretty good Johnny Depp thing... dead man I think it was. Firefly is a Western too, come to think of it. Damn fine show.
@bthomson7770
@bthomson7770 Рік тому
I was a huge fan of the "newer" westerns such as Wyatt Earp and Tombstone, I'd love to see a modern revival of the genre on a bigger scale.
@TheHortond
@TheHortond 7 місяців тому
magnificent 7 is ok. If you haven't seen it.
@elijahsnow3119
@elijahsnow3119 Рік тому
Lee Van Cleef approves this message. Rest In Peace sir. You had more gravitas in one long stare than this entire generation of Hollywood has in their entire bodies.
@MichaelRBrown-lh6kn
@MichaelRBrown-lh6kn Рік тому
I think I read somewhere they wanted him to get his nose broken to help his movie career
@KratostheThird
@KratostheThird Рік тому
Lee Van Cleef came up when men were allowed to be men in Hollywood. Western society allowed men to get wives, children and families in proper homes. What Millennials and Zoomers on the Far Left are doing makes me sick. The show Velma is a perfect representation of what Hollywood is now. Evil, corrupt, condescending, destructive, and overly woke.
@somerandomname75
@somerandomname75 Рік тому
Hit the nail on the head. Westerns are one of the most important genres, not just in film, but arguably fiction as a whole. Here's hoping your prediction comes to fruition and we see a new Western renaissance.
@Muck006
@Muck006 Рік тому
The western is simply the american version of the HERO movie ... which is simply different for the setting. In the 50s and 60s there were LOADS of movies about knights AND arabian tales (Sinbad) ... which are basically the same with a different setting. I couldnt say how many versions of Ivanhoe or Robin Hood I have seen in my youth, but there are A LOT.
@Taranchule
@Taranchule Рік тому
I can already tell this will be a video I rewatch every now and again. Western, Film Noir and Sword & Sorcery. Three film genres that are in DIRE need of a comeback.
@chriss5049
@chriss5049 Рік тому
My working theory as to the fall of western civilization is: 1. Participation trophies for everyone... 2. Banning Dodge Ball in Schools.... 3. No Westerns on Prime Time TV. Great Video Rage.
@theobell2002
@theobell2002 Рік тому
This is ironic, right? I'm legit asking because I cannot tell with you rightoids.
@brianlinden3042
@brianlinden3042 Рік тому
I'd love to see a nice, simple story about a lawman riding into town with a big iron on his hip, again.
@ozymandiasthemisanthrope6919
@ozymandiasthemisanthrope6919 Рік тому
Clint Eastwood said "Making 'Outlaw Josey Wales' wasn't a good time for westerns, but it was a good time for me" is what made it my personal favorite, he made a masterpiece in his on time, recognized or not at the time.
@curtiskretzer8898
@curtiskretzer8898 Рік тому
Joseph Wales & William Munney were two super duper mega king great characters. They both seem starkly real
@collativelearning
@collativelearning Рік тому
Good stuff Razor. A few thoughts to add ... Westerns had a partial continuation with the Mad Max series (cars instead of horses) and its many post apocalypse imitators. I think the zombie movie genre has also acted as a psychological replacement, being those movies involve the collapse of civilization and a return to a wild west of sorts. Though the 80's lacked official westerns, action movies like the brilliant 48 hrs, Predator, Star Wars, Westworld and Robocop have western elements ... not that I'm endorsing the death of the traditional western. Clint Eastwood's Every Which Way / Any Which Way comedies retained western elements, as did Dirty Harry. I absolutely agree the audience is still there for trad westerns. My daughter adores Clint Eastwood. All I have to do is mention his name in relation to a movie she hasn't seen and she jumps at the option to see it. She loved For A Few Dollars More, High Plains Drifter as well as other westerns like The Magnificent Seven (original one of course), and the criminally underrated Charles Bronson western Red Sun. BTW a recent western you didn't mention which I enjoyed was The Sisters Brothers (2018). Unfortunately it flopped, drags on a bit too long and lacks a strong protagonist the audience can really identify with. But yes, modern westerns could do with some sort of twist to spice them up, as happened with the Spaghettis. Maybe that's what already happened though with all those 80's "western in spirit" flicks. Personally I think High Plains Drifter hit the ball out the park with it's ghostly elements (Pale Rider for me felt like a weaker, less gutsy remake). Supernatural westerns ... I'd like to see a lot more of those. I mean the spiritual thing is already there in the beliefs of Native Americans so that could be hugely expanded upon.
@TheRageaholic
@TheRageaholic Рік тому
I would strongly recommend reevaluating Pale Rider. It's a more committed version of High Plains Drifter. And yet a mirror opposite of it at the same time. The end of Drifter sees the Stranger transform the town of Largo into Hell. The climactic shot showing Eastwood framed against flames like a vengeful demon. The way the camera shoots Eastwood even treats him that way. From above or the side. Often in silhouette. Pale Rider, meanwhile, shows the Preacher against the blue skies and snowy mountains. In the final confrontation, the heavens are literally at his back. An avenging angel dispensing God's wrath. It's a magnificent film I've come to appreciate more than Drifter. There's a bit more going on under the hood.
@careycarson7629
@careycarson7629 Рік тому
@@TheRageaholic My thoughts exactly. Pale Rider sparked an interest in me wanting to write Westerns.
@scottm.603
@scottm.603 Рік тому
@@TheRageaholic I also like how Pale Rider is more subtle and ambiguous than HPD with regards to the protagonist. In HPD, it is made very clear that he's a revenant back from the dead to wreak a terrible vengeance. In Pale Rider...maybe? It's suggested, but never explicit.
@kungfutzu3779
@kungfutzu3779 Рік тому
hmm let's see.. how about the star shoots the cinematographer - is that enough of a twist?
@jacksonjacob7791
@jacksonjacob7791 Рік тому
The assassination of Jesse James by the coward robert ford Was a really good western movie imo.
@charlesdaugherty321
@charlesdaugherty321 Рік тому
The quotes from that era... Pure Gold. "I call that bold talk for a one eyed fat man!" ... "FILL YOUR HANDS, YOU SON OF A BITCH!"
@scollin8096
@scollin8096 Рік тому
My grandparents would almost exclusively watch westerns and cop shows. I’d come in the house and there’s grandpa, watching John Wayne for the umpteenth time. They hardly ever cared for anything modern. One of the only modern films they ever watched and *loved* was Hell or High Water with Chris Pine and Jeff Bridged. Though I can’t say how close it held to the western standard, it’s a good example of how even the sense of of that can still be well received today.
@bloodofmyenemies
@bloodofmyenemies Рік тому
They sound awesome. Hell Or High Water is great. One of the better films made this century imo.
@moonlightbliss4791
@moonlightbliss4791 Рік тому
Westerns and John Woo films are the best
@phonepunk7888
@phonepunk7888 Рік тому
Last weekend I was watching some old western tv shows like The Cisco Kid. It's almost embarrassing how easily each episode showed the nature of true heroism. The man in black comes into town and is eager to hear about the problems and do everything he can to set them right. By contrast modern heroes are entirely selfish and exist in a bubble, to be idolized. Watching those old shows is like looking through a portal into a world where morality still exists.
@alucard624
@alucard624 Рік тому
Cheyenne is another good one with Clint Walker.
@KratostheThird
@KratostheThird Рік тому
@@alucard624 Clint Walker was tall, handsome and rugged.
@MegaMaximus333
@MegaMaximus333 Рік тому
The good the bad and the ugly is and will always be my number one movie. Loved all the characters but Tuco is my spirit animal.
@sweynskarilsen9105
@sweynskarilsen9105 Рік тому
"Have Gun Will Travel reads the card of the man, a knight without armor in a savage land."
@tommyfishhouse8050
@tommyfishhouse8050 Рік тому
Trust me Razor. You don't want the western making a comeback. It'll suffer the same fate as Star Wars, Star Trek, and what is currently happening to superheroes. It'll either be an anti-american screed, or a poorly put together joke. Can you imagine what handwringing a new western would have over how 'oppressed' women were by their cattle rancher husbands, what 'ignorant religious bigots' people used to be, or how black people and mexicans were treated, or how america is 'stolen land' from the native americans? Not to mention with the straight up historical revisionism of things like Doctor Who or Vikings which showed the past as a multiethnic multicultural gender diverse place that simply did not exist, for the sake of propaganda. Hollywood will never make a big budget western again, and I don't want them to for the same reason I don't want them to make a Superman movie again. They'll just be bad.
@AB0BA_69
@AB0BA_69 Рік тому
Can you imagine Blazing Saddles getting made in current year? LMAO!
@evanthompson1517
@evanthompson1517 Рік тому
The absolute worst fate for any story is for Hollywood to make a movie out of it.
@tommyfishhouse8050
@tommyfishhouse8050 Рік тому
@@evanthompson1517 Sadly. There really is no alternative to Hollywood that both reflects your personal beliefs, and isn't low budget garbage. At least when it comes to production value. If you want those epic shots of the wilderness, decent special effects, and competent actors? You really have no choice but to either settle for movies directed by shitty human beings, for shitty human beings. Or just stop watching any movie or TV altogether.
@worldcomicsreview354
@worldcomicsreview354 Рік тому
@@tommyfishhouse8050 Or only watch old ones.
@evanthompson1517
@evanthompson1517 Рік тому
@@tommyfishhouse8050 The agitprop is the least of it to be honest. Political messaging in movies has existed since moviemaking began. It's the quality of the writing that is so abysmal. It's like having a Michelin star restaurant and staffing it with McDonald's fry cooks.
@Mathmachine
@Mathmachine Рік тому
Considering our current obsession with superheroes I'm somewhat surprised that more people aren't trying to make Westerns in general considering they were essentially cinema's OG superheroes.
@thephoenixhasflown
@thephoenixhasflown Рік тому
The lone ranger. The Cisco kid Wild Bill hickok! Straight arrow Hopalong Cassidy Red Rider Lightning Jim I know I missed a few feel free to fill them in.
@gusty9053
@gusty9053 Рік тому
You can't have nearly as many "strong female leads" in a western as you can stuff into the M-she-U (as an example). And Hollyweird can't abide that.
@manitoba-op4jx
@manitoba-op4jx Рік тому
they're cooler because they're believable
@thewayfarer8849
@thewayfarer8849 Рік тому
It's an obsession with corrupt superheroes. Westerns have guns, law, and force of personality whether you have a hero or villainy. You will have people using tools in a certain environment. Superheroes can devastate areas without killing anyone, and they're about hiding your identity and powers largely unearned. It appeals to a lot of followers today as it's easier, but that's just my opinion.
@butthz8850
@butthz8850 Рік тому
Old Henry is recent, and good.
@svensorensen7693
@svensorensen7693 Рік тому
>Independence >Guns >Noble Heroes >Attractive Women Gee, I wonder why Hollywood just can't seem to make a proper western anymore
@theobell2002
@theobell2002 Рік тому
Because we all know Hollywood is lacking all of those. This comment section is a clownfest, forreal.
@shieldinhand6586
@shieldinhand6586 Рік тому
Grew up on John Wayne westerns mostly, then Clint Eastwood, and got into Deadwood as an adult. Red Dead Redemption 2 was amazing for me because it was not only an incredible game with great storytelling, it was simultaneously nostalgic.
@aidanwow1593
@aidanwow1593 Рік тому
I think that we can also attribute the success of The Mandalorian to people wanting new westerns given how it takes a lot of inspiration from shows like The Lone Ranger.
@hariman7727
@hariman7727 Рік тому
Lone Wolf and Cub: The Mandalorian and Grago.
@mattm7798
@mattm7798 Рік тому
Very true. It is essentially a western...set in a space fantasy universe
@Red_Devil_2011
@Red_Devil_2011 Рік тому
I know people like Mandalorian but I thought it was really bad. I expect any Westerns they start to make will be just as boring, contrived, and gimmicky.
@frankf684
@frankf684 Рік тому
A first season episode of The Mandolorian was basically the seven samurai plot line.
@dbf1dware
@dbf1dware Рік тому
Quite frankly, let's not forget that A New Hope was essentially a Western in space.
@bigkmoviesandgames
@bigkmoviesandgames Рік тому
Ever since seeing the Good the Bad and the Ugly as a kid I've always loved the Western genre and hope that it has a Resurgence one day.
@Megatron_95
@Megatron_95 Рік тому
All in good time and western will make a comeback
@bigkmoviesandgames
@bigkmoviesandgames Рік тому
@@Megatron_95 definitely a possibility.
@tinfoilhatter
@tinfoilhatter Рік тому
who was it said, 'the west-is-the-best', right? and like, where-are-they-now, see?
@Megatron_95
@Megatron_95 Рік тому
@@tinfoilhatter I never heard of that saying
@BruhMoment-fr4zr
@BruhMoment-fr4zr Рік тому
I'd rather let the Western genre remain buried and unmolested than see modern Hollywood reanimate the corpse and "reinterpret" it for Modern Audiences™
@theaverageDon
@theaverageDon Рік тому
Don't forget, Yellowstone is a huge hit. I know it's not actually a Western, but it goes to show people crave the scenery rather than obvious green screen action scenes
@wetincornwall6882
@wetincornwall6882 Рік тому
Oh I dunno, it's about an old school cattle rancher trying to fight off the robber barons. Western enough for me, I love it.
@pontiusporcius8430
@pontiusporcius8430 Рік тому
It's prequel 1883 sure as hell is.
@mylifeisacomplexpastiche7901
@mylifeisacomplexpastiche7901 Рік тому
Just because it’s set in modern times don’t make it any less western.
@max2000warrior
@max2000warrior Рік тому
Hell or High Water sure is.
@pramanabudiman9761
@pramanabudiman9761 Рік тому
This is called Neo-western. Story that located in the present day, but has the same tone of a western.
@johnnybrown542
@johnnybrown542 Рік тому
Funny enough, there was a movie that did mix Samurai and Cowboys. Its called Red Sun. And it features Charles Bronson and Toshiro Mifune (yes, that Mifune). Either way, we need a revival of Western.
@kartikayysola
@kartikayysola Рік тому
Heaven help me that sounds like the most awesome fucking thing in the world. Please tell me it worked.
@johnnybrown542
@johnnybrown542 Рік тому
@@kartikayysola It did. You can actually watch the movie here on youtube. Just look it up.
@thecopperowl8386
@thecopperowl8386 Рік тому
For a Few Dollars More is my favorite! One of the best duels in a western, with Lee Van Kleef acting through his expression and a killer theme to go with it.
@grinningtiki220
@grinningtiki220 Рік тому
Stormrider with Lee Van Cleef has some spectacular stunts in it.
@TheChach
@TheChach Рік тому
Me too, love the dynamic between Lee and Eastwood's characters in that.
@jkincaid582
@jkincaid582 Рік тому
The show down with El Indo, with the music box playing. That scene is fucking masterful.
@htf5555
@htf5555 Рік тому
i get a lot of shit for this but i think its better than good bad and ugly
@thecopperowl8386
@thecopperowl8386 Рік тому
@@htf5555 it's because their wrong and your right
@constantin5509
@constantin5509 Рік тому
Fallout New Vegas is technically a Western as well(mixed with other genres).I'm convinced the setting was a huge part in why the game was so beloved.
@skallywag3318
@skallywag3318 Рік тому
Lonesome Dove deserved a mention. The books and mini series are the greatest western media of all time imo.
@theminister1154
@theminister1154 Рік тому
PERIOD. Nolo fuckin' contendre. By the way, check out the new 720p widescreen cut... makes it EVEN BETTER. Paramount put it out when 1883 premiered as a sly apologia/tribute to McMurtry.
@peepongdingdong9208
@peepongdingdong9208 7 місяців тому
@@theminister1154 Shit Lonesome Dove was one of the first westerns I saw as a kid alongside Tombstone.
@theminister1154
@theminister1154 7 місяців тому
You were privileged! Most have never seen it@@peepongdingdong9208
@FrankMillersEvilHat1
@FrankMillersEvilHat1 Рік тому
I think a lot of old western shows are very underrated in terms of story telling. I watched episodes of Gunsmoke, the Virginian, and Rifleman and while family friendly they deal with stories about generational vengeance, mob justice, dealing with getting older, how rivalry can heat up leading to tragedy, dealing with death, and so much more. I love how the heroes while they have some moments or doubt or saddness it never over takes them and they become sad saps. They are still strong and powerful. Ready to fight for justice. Matt Dillon was a badass.
@EG-wp9yj
@EG-wp9yj Рік тому
The biggest thing that stands in the way of any good movies going into production and surviving the movie industry is the movie industry itself. The MESSAGE outweighs anything else as far as they are concerned, and that includes good story writing.
@Sweetbaby_Jesus
@Sweetbaby_Jesus Рік тому
Daily wire is changing the game. The culture war is being waged in full force
@Red_Devil_2011
@Red_Devil_2011 Рік тому
Hollywood is open and blatant about their politics and subversiveness now. No Western will ever be made that isn't dripping with anti White messaging.
@samuelprice2461
@samuelprice2461 Рік тому
A little disappointed you didn’t mention the True Grit remake here. Probably the best Western movie made in two decades.
@onlyweknow2
@onlyweknow2 Рік тому
True That
@Wolf-Wolfman
@Wolf-Wolfman Рік тому
I'm not normally a fan of Westerns but I really liked that one
@mrspeigle1
@mrspeigle1 Рік тому
Definitely, one of the few westerns worthy of sitting next to the outlaw Josie Wales.
@jacksonjacob7791
@jacksonjacob7791 Рік тому
The assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford deserves to be mentioned
@charliemattingly6978
@charliemattingly6978 Рік тому
I'd say Open Range is the best Western made in the past 20 years.
@collinmclaren6608
@collinmclaren6608 Рік тому
Honestly, I feel like the gothic western genre is a vastly untapped resource in modern media. I'm currently started reading The Dark Tower series, and the concept just sounds so cool. Even as a musical art form, the Dark Country series of compilation albums really help sell the dark western idea. And don't even get me started on Evil West, I'm having high hopes for that game.
@trequor
@trequor Рік тому
The concept was great, but I could not stand the book. Stephen King just can't write a compelling character to save his life.
@666kingdrummer
@666kingdrummer Рік тому
@@trequor or he just tries too hard to be edgy version of H.P. Lovecraft. The guy is seriously overrated.
@666kingdrummer
@666kingdrummer Рік тому
The Dark Western idea may actually be more realistic than what was portrayed on screen. Sure, theres not going to be monsters and demons all over the place, but Hollywood had a bad habit of making the West look like a utopia time, when in reality it was one the hardest times in American history.
@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist
@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist Рік тому
​@@trequor What are your biggest pain points with King's characters? I only remember reading _The Stand_ and that one werewolf story and I may be remembering the movie adaptations more than the written work at this point, but I recall them being pretty decent character-wise. Then again those may have been the exception to the rule or the nostalgia is blinding me. I'm legit curious. Always on the lookout for writing tips.
@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist
@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist Рік тому
Southern Gothic, Gothic Westerns, Lovecraftian elements... Hmmm...
@ArtistFormerlyKnownAsShitlord
@ArtistFormerlyKnownAsShitlord Рік тому
"Harder to find than a pulse on a Clinton witness." 😂😂 I spat my coffee!
@thephoenixhasflown
@thephoenixhasflown Рік тому
I'm surprised the Western and the ghost story together wasn't done a whole lot more they just seem to go together for me.
@Wastelandman7000
@Wastelandman7000 Рік тому
Me too. For that matter any paranormal Weird West story works too. A lawlessness would be a magnet to things like werewolves and vampires. Lack of organized resistance or institutional reprisals would make the west (or the post apocalypse) a natural (pun intended) for paranormal monsters.
@kielbasamage
@kielbasamage Рік тому
@@Wastelandman7000 Now that I think about it, the only supernatural western I've seen was Priest.
@alucard624
@alucard624 Рік тому
@@kielbasamage Which in many ways is a steampunk take on The Searchers but with vampires instead of Comanche Indians.
@MEGALODONGERS
@MEGALODONGERS Рік тому
I'd say there's still certainly a market for Wild West horror. On the video game side of things, look how well-received Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare and Hunt: Showdown have been. Actually, the latter apparently has a live-action series in the works.
@rorschach1985ify
@rorschach1985ify Рік тому
@@Wastelandman7000 Funny you say that because there is actually a very old film made in 1959 that might be the first or one of the first Horror-Western mix in films about a Vampire terrorizing a town in the old west called Curse of the Undead. Was originally made as a joking bet since even for that time they thought no one could make a serious horror-Western film and after watching i thought it was pretty decent for what it was. Not Oscar worthy or anything but for a first time thing it handled itself pretty well.
@erikjimenez8671
@erikjimenez8671 Рік тому
The only way for Western‘s to come back is America needs to take back its identity and show why the cowboy is synonymous with America just like Europe with chivalrous knight or the stoic Samurai from Japan.
@greatrieck
@greatrieck Рік тому
You know that movie series The Expendables? We should do that but make it a spaghetti western. A bunch of old action stars that are in their 70s and with that just have them all being kickass cowboys taking out evil where it needs to have a diet change from dried meet to burning lead.
@MosleyLivesAndMarchesOn
@MosleyLivesAndMarchesOn Рік тому
We need more rageaholic cinema episodes you beautiful bastard!
@grandmufftwerkin9037
@grandmufftwerkin9037 Рік тому
The Outlaw Josey Wales, Fort Apache, Pale Rider, Rio Bravo, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, The Searches, etc. Edit: I forgot to mention another one of my favourites; Jeremiah Johnson. Pure film glory.
@icestationzebraassociates2460
@icestationzebraassociates2460 Рік тому
A Man Called Horse - I'll always remember that one.
@rumblebird9888
@rumblebird9888 Рік тому
Chato’s Land
@kendrickkipikas5458
@kendrickkipikas5458 Рік тому
The Outlaw Josey Wales is my all time favorite movie. So many legendary one-liners... "Man's gotta make a living somehow" "Dying ain't much of a livin', boy"
@kendrickkipikas5458
@kendrickkipikas5458 Рік тому
Of course razor uses that scene in his video. I'll reference my second favorite liner "You reckon we should bury 'em?" "Buzzards gotta eat, same as the worms"
@bak-mariterry5180
@bak-mariterry5180 Рік тому
The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance .
@abrahemsamander3967
@abrahemsamander3967 Рік тому
I think a traditional white hat do gooder could work in modern times honestly. Have the hero be well mannered, meanwhile his surroundings are dirty, violent, and cynical. I always liked the idea of adapting Cheyenne(Clint walker.) where he’s still the same well natured gentle giant. Meanwhile the west is filled with corrupt lawmen, bandits, drunkards, and the like. Everyone’s swearing up a storm, and ideas of chivalry and heroism are laughed at(much like today.) but it’s up to Cheyenne’s morals, kindness, and his quick hand at the draw, to right the wrongs of the world. Thus symbolizing a return to old fashioned heroism to a cynical age.
@GutsofEclipse
@GutsofEclipse Рік тому
In terms of villains, any revival of old fashion good-vs-evil stories needs to deconstruct the deconstruction by going after the radical subjectivism that Marxists like to hide behind. Between the people who call for moral standards and the people who say that all moral standards are just a matter of your subjective perspective, who is it that's actually being childish at best and malicious at worst? Unfortunately, given how people have been taught to interpret things, they'll need to be beaten over the head with the fact that the villains are leftists; if you just have some cult-like church leader letting thieves run the town because "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", anyone who doesn't already see the need for universal ethics will just see another instance of "Christianity bad". We need the rise of the atheist antagonist who has a will-to-power where his moral compass should be and is pursuing spiritual fulfillment from hedonism, akin to what you see with SJWs.
@abrahemsamander3967
@abrahemsamander3967 Рік тому
Did someone delete a reply? Can’t see anything.
@rinck17
@rinck17 Рік тому
I'd pay to see that.
@abrahemsamander3967
@abrahemsamander3967 Рік тому
Thank you!
@HenshinFanatic
@HenshinFanatic Рік тому
I'd pay to see that, 4 times!
@mantovannni
@mantovannni Рік тому
My all time favourite films are a fistful of dollars, for a few dollars more and the good, the bad and the ugly. I recently learned that John Wayne used to run errands for Wyatt Earp when he was a young 'un.
@dylanlewis5113
@dylanlewis5113 Рік тому
As a kid, I loved Westerns. As an adult, I still do. I can't remember what my first Western was, but I can remember my first Eastwood Western. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". I saw it when I was 5 and 17 years later, it still remains one of my favorites.
@rosezingleman5007
@rosezingleman5007 Рік тому
I lived in WashDC for decades. Rita Kemply’s review of “Pale Rider” caused me to stop reading the WaPo pretty much forever. Edit: Thanks for this Rage. I think the Western is *our story* the American mythology that’s actually true. Heck, I even love “Paint Your Wagon.” You haven’t lived until you’ve seen and heard Eastwood and Lee Marvin both singing in a western about a woman living with two husbands in a mining camp. And Eastwood is the square in this story.
@TheRealNormanBates
@TheRealNormanBates Рік тому
you should check out the Cinema Snob's review. He kind of feels the same way.
@ottomackensen
@ottomackensen Рік тому
I love what Clint's character does with his revolver in that movie.
@Pers0n97
@Pers0n97 Рік тому
@@TheRealNormanBates I mean, bob has devolved almost as much as jim sterling in recent years, I don't think anyone need more proof that his opinion is trash at this point.
@TheRealNormanBates
@TheRealNormanBates Рік тому
@@Pers0n97 do you mean Brad (Jones)?
@fishin4bass2002
@fishin4bass2002 Рік тому
I love westerns, you have the main character having to deal with so many different conflicts, from nature, to humans to even themselves.
@Yarblocosifilitico
@Yarblocosifilitico Рік тому
I'll just say: I was introduced to comics (and literature in general) through Lucky Luke, and my favorite film growing up was The Magnificent 7. Westerns capture a mixture between wilderness and civilization that is very relatable to any human being at any point in history, since we all have that tension within us in the form of instincts vs rationality. Obviously it can be adressed through other genres/settings, but the Wild West setting fits like a glove.
@clayscustoms2050
@clayscustoms2050 Рік тому
I will readily admit, I would LOVE to get a competent Jonah Hex movie off the ground, that seems a mighty good idea
@fractaljack210
@fractaljack210 Рік тому
My English grandfather who fought in WW1 was obsessed with the old west and Wild Bill Hickok in particular. He gave me me a love for Westerns that thrives to this day.
@mikavirtanen7029
@mikavirtanen7029 Рік тому
Yeah, my Finnish grandfather loved to watch every western that came from television, but for some reason it was the Virginian tv-series that was his favorite.. In the 80's i managed get some episodes on tape, and when he was visiting you couldn't get him up from the sofa before he had his fix of The Virginian.
@warsharkproductions6550
@warsharkproductions6550 Рік тому
Let's face it, Rango was honestly the best tribute to westerns of the twentieth century.
@grinningtiki220
@grinningtiki220 Рік тому
I worked on Lone Ranger and I thought it was in really good hands. Apparently the studio made a bunch of changes in the edit room. Nail course I did not enjoy working on the film it was probably the worst year of my entire life. But that's another story.
@MJM804
@MJM804 Рік тому
Rango is a great western!
@carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526
@carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526 Рік тому
Westerns were really big worldwide in the past. Look at the italian Tex comics,still ongoing since '48 and have a good fanbase worldwide ,even here in Brazil. In Japan not only Kurosawa films but some classic manga like Hokuto no Ken were inspired by old westerns .
@jfangm
@jfangm Рік тому
"Quigley Down Under" is one of the best westerns ever put to film.
@EdwardLewisIV
@EdwardLewisIV Рік тому
I was actually talking to a friend last week about the complete lack of Westerns in comics, movies and literature. 1883 was actually really good for the handful of people who have Paramount+.
@Punk_CiTy
@Punk_CiTy Рік тому
I'm surprised by the lack of a mention of Fallout: New Vegas. The western aspect is one of the main reasons I feel make people love it so much. Not to mention the music and the radio.
@HoldinContempt
@HoldinContempt Рік тому
Bethesda intentionally sabotaged obsidian studios with an impossibly short development window and other acts of backstabbing and to this day its like pulling teeth to get that disgusting manlet Todd Howard to even acknowledge that New Vegas even exists because its the most recognizable and popular fallout game of the modern era and it wasnt made by him or Bethesda.
@MountainsBreath
@MountainsBreath Рік тому
I don't even like "gaming" but that game is special
@zuttoaragi8349
@zuttoaragi8349 Рік тому
He didn't mention probably because he hates it. He thinks it's a shitty game.
@Punk_CiTy
@Punk_CiTy Рік тому
@@zuttoaragi8349 Really? I didn't know that. I'm only a little surprised.
@zuttoaragi8349
@zuttoaragi8349 Рік тому
@@Punk_CiTy Yeah. He thinks New Vegas sucks. He says so in his review of FONV and reaffirms that opinion in his review of FO4.
@worldcomicsreview354
@worldcomicsreview354 Рік тому
"Spaggetti westerns almost never had native Americans" Gee, couldn't they find any olive-skinned, black-haired people in Italy?
@chrissherman659
@chrissherman659 Рік тому
Been working on a Western rpg for a while and this attitude gives me a hell of a lot of encouragement, Thanks!
@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist
@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist Рік тому
Tabletop or vidya?
@squelchotron8259
@squelchotron8259 Рік тому
Tell us more, my man. I do hope it is in your inclination to do so.
@theminister1154
@theminister1154 Рік тому
Advertise it on the Fellowship channels & related with some superchats when yer done. Also there's one from the 80s you might wanna pick clean for ideas. Forget the name. Wasn't bad. I would add supernatural either as part of the base game or right away after. Gives you a lot more options for classes & opponents, that's the main reason to do so even though the weird west genre is cool on it's own.
@willharper1326
@willharper1326 Рік тому
The only things I’ve watched in the last 6 months are The Outlaw Josey Wales, Tombstone, and Deadwood. My grandfather who was a antique gun collector, distilled a love for westerns in me as a kid. They are especially refreshing in these times.
@happyhammer1
@happyhammer1 Рік тому
Shane has to be one of the most copied movie formulas ever. Great movie.
@bloodofmyenemies
@bloodofmyenemies Рік тому
Eastwood wouldn't have a career in Westerns without it. Yojimbo/Fistful Of Dollars all the way up to Unforgiven draw heavily from Shane. Not that Eastwood hides the fact seeing as he basically remade Shane with Pale Rider. The man has good taste his favourite film is the revisionist western master-class The Ox‐Bow Incident (1943).
@DeanTheLaughingMann
@DeanTheLaughingMann Рік тому
"So you're Jack Wilson." "What does that mean to you, Shane?" "I've heard about you." "What have you heard, Shane?" "I've heard that you're a lowdown Yankee liar." "Prove it."
@TheDrudgenator
@TheDrudgenator Рік тому
“My name is Nobody” the only movie that’d make me tear up as I’d watch it with my father . Got my 4K copy and I love it
@heroesytumbas
@heroesytumbas Рік тому
Have you watched Open range? Is Shane with roles reversed. Pretty good.
@happyhammer1
@happyhammer1 Рік тому
@@heroesytumbas yeah, I enjoyed it
@teslafreak
@teslafreak Рік тому
I never got into Westerns at all until a couple years ago when I started watching a bunch of them with my dad. Now I own the whole Gunsmoke series and a number of movies.
@skellorelli2515
@skellorelli2515 Рік тому
The Long Riders is another good one. The last robbery and get away scene is spectacular.
@highadmiralbittenfield9689
@highadmiralbittenfield9689 Рік тому
Oh shit razor dropped a vid on one of my favorite genres
@WackadoodleMalarkey
@WackadoodleMalarkey Рік тому
You are one fast hombre on the draw brother
@ShaolinLambKiller
@ShaolinLambKiller Рік тому
Wife out of the blue wanted to start watching westerns a month ago. And I can't be more thrilled. She had no interest and the only clint Eastwood movie she had ever seen was gran torino. So every weekend I have been bringing out all my old dvds and she just been eating them up. This adds a few to my list to pick up.
@Saintbow
@Saintbow Рік тому
You have to admit, for it's outlandish performance, "They call me Trinity" was a fun movie to watch. The one movie that seems to always be left out of the discussion when someone is talking about Westerns is Quigley Down Under. I would rate it in the top 10 of the greatest Westerns of all time. From the change of scenery, the treatment of the natives, down to how under developed the culture and technology was of the time for the location versus what we always saw in a modern Western. We were used to seeing westerns where the modern cartridge was being used, but in Quigley Down Under, they were still using muskets and flintlock pistols. Even in The Good-bad-ugly movie, you see Angel Eyes loading cartridge rounds into his weapon, but if you look closely, the weapon is a cap & ball weapon. When Quigley went to the weapon smith to get more ammo, he even had to explain to the weapon smith that he could use a older French rifle ammo to substitute for parts needed. It was little details like this, that separated it from a subpar western to a great western. You can even see it in Quigley's saddle, an American Western style saddle, versus the Australian Saddles and English Saddles used by everyone else. (English saddles don't have a horn on them).
@alucard624
@alucard624 Рік тому
Been watching a lot of old school Gunsmoke reruns and honestly that's a damn good show with stories that are still relevant even more so today than ever. Love INSP for that.
@KratostheThird
@KratostheThird Рік тому
James Arness was big (6’7”), strong, relatable and noble. All things this modern generation of “soy” Millennials are sorely lacking.
@citizenronin
@citizenronin Рік тому
"Well you may not know this, but there's things that gnaw on a man worse than dying." - Open Range. That's the kind of manly life lesson you won't get in any other genre....God I love Westerns.
@curtiskretzer8898
@curtiskretzer8898 Рік тому
"Tig can't go.He gotta stay here.He got the heart!Not the legs!" Last western that I saw on big screen! "You must be the 1 that killed our friends!"(I get chills recollecting the start of the big gun fight,him telling Boss who he was gonna target after only saying,in front of any1"We'll have our drinks now!" 🤠👌
@miner69er75
@miner69er75 Рік тому
I grew up watching Westerns, old ones & new ones, colour & black & white ones, good ones & bad ones, all on TV, & all repeats. And I loved every single one. As a Brit, seeing that wide open space, the freedom, the lack of government control, & the guns. Oh the guns. Every country has its bad points & it's good points in history. For me, the main US good point, is it's Western frontier heritage. I'd love to see the genre come back. When men were men, & horses were scared.
@docproc144
@docproc144 Рік тому
Big fan of the western genre here. Grew up watching John Wayne and Clint Eastwood movies with my grandfather whenever I’d visit him. I also remember my Dad watching Tombstone (one of my favorite movies ever) with me for the first time. Then when they came out, games like Red Dead 1 and 2 allowed me to live out my Wild West fantasies in spectacular fashion. Westerns desperately need a revival. They need to make a comeback in our entertainment industry. They’re as important to American culture as the Samurai are to Japanese culture, Knights to European culture, or Vikings to Norse culture. A more recent Western film that I thoroughly enjoyed, much to my surprise, was The Magnificent Seven with Denzel Washington and Chris Pratt. Great movie.
@raphaeldias5502
@raphaeldias5502 Рік тому
Razor always hit the nail with his takes. The most accurate aim of the Western side of the UKposts.
@bloodofmyenemies
@bloodofmyenemies Рік тому
Lonesome Dove (1989) really kicked off the 90s westerns and basically covers all the same themes (and more) as Unforgiven. Based on a Pulitzer prize winning novel no less by Larry McMurtry. There were thousands of westerns made in the 40s and 50s and there's an insane amount of gold to be found even just there. Last year I watched about 50 Roy Rogers (King Of The Cowboys and box office king of the 1950s) movies and to be honest I think western newcomers should go back and watch as many older westerns as possible. Pure comfort cinema. Shane and The Gunfighter destroy any modern attempt at a revisionist western and Peckinpah's masterwork The Wild Bunch puts any spaghetti western to shame. These are big name films I'm mentioning here but they're only just starter points. Explore the genre as much as possible. Even this videos mention of John Wayne's death in the 70s overlooks the classics he starred in that decade.. Masterpieces like Big Jake, The Cowboys, The Train Robbers and The Shootist. They dont make classic westerns anymore and I doubt they could if they tried. Luckily for us there's a lifetime of amazing westerns already made for us to watch and cherish.
@mrcliff3709
@mrcliff3709 Рік тому
I love the Wild Bunch
@bloodofmyenemies
@bloodofmyenemies Рік тому
@Raylan Givens Agreed. It's not my favourite performance of his but he is great in it and the Oscars care more about rewarding legacy and politics over anything else. In any case it's a more worthy performance than this Oscar winning role in True Grit.
@bloodofmyenemies
@bloodofmyenemies Рік тому
@Raylan Givens Agreed on every point! Wayne was good in True Grit and it was obviously a very fun role for him. The Searchers is an amazing performance and one that gets better with every viewing. The Quiet Man in particular I always recommend to people critical of John Wayne being a one note actor. He was always great in comedic films but who knew he can excell as a romantic lead? What a film. Liberty Valance is also a different but truly great performance. I might actually put Red River alongside it as a Oscar snub for Wayne. On a more personal level I adore Hondo and Wayne's performance.
@frankrizzo1934
@frankrizzo1934 Рік тому
There was this movie coming out that took place in the Old West. It starred an aging Hollywood celebrity who was to bring back the greatness of old Western films. The main actor was upset one day and just shot two crew members, killing one, because he couldn't replicate the good old cowboy actors and had a meltdown(allegedly). Can't think of the name, my mind is a little RUSTy.
@HoldinContempt
@HoldinContempt Рік тому
Time for the tinfoil hat. What if an agent-47 style hitman was hired by a shadowy cabal to put live rounds in that gun to create a discharge incident and destroy the production of that film because it was going to be amazing and reignite the western genre and the shadowy cabal which is part of the totalitarian state did not want that kind of ideal and morality to become mainstream in the public consciousness again?. I dunno maybe I just takin too much peyote.
@frankrizzo1934
@frankrizzo1934 Рік тому
@@HoldinContempt The ICA was definitely involved with this one. The new Constant is Klaus Schwab. Lol
@CT393
@CT393 Рік тому
Old Henry was a great new western! Love the genre more than any other, I can't wait for its eventual revival.
@DC8091
@DC8091 Рік тому
Hell & Yeah 🤠 Been waitin for Rageaholic Westerns!!! “Hop on and open fire!” perfectly said sir!
@cmd31220
@cmd31220 Рік тому
I've noticed that since the death of the genre in the 80s, most westerns are disguised as other genres in order to pass by the critics. Movies like Priest (fight me, it's a good movie) and the original Star Wars were westerns cloaked as sci-fi and I'd argue a lot of mafia movies, especially those surrounding the good guys taking on the mob, are westerns wearing pinstripes.
@Wastelandman7000
@Wastelandman7000 Рік тому
I'd add most of the post apocalyptic genera of the Road Warrior type are simply post civilization westerns.
@cmd31220
@cmd31220 Рік тому
@@Wastelandman7000 bro exactly. I forgot to even mention that because they're so synonymous. The Mad Max movies (at least the first 3) and Book of Eli SCREAM spaghetti western
@kielbasamage
@kielbasamage Рік тому
I'm still infatuated by the illustrated opening crawl of Priest, especially the legions of WW1 styled soldiers with flamethrowers and tanks, throwing themselves into a flood of fanged monstrosities krieger-style.
@vidard9863
@vidard9863 Рік тому
​@@kielbasamage congratulations you just put that movie on my radar!
@niggardlylad2008
@niggardlylad2008 Рік тому
@@Wastelandman7000 yeah, "book of Eli" with denzel washington comes to mind
@madaxe606
@madaxe606 Рік тому
I love westerns. They have the unique quality of combining a world that is fairly recognizable to a modern audience (firearms, towns, trains, etc), but still different enough to feel distant and exotic, where things like a haunted mines, stone-age tribal warriors or conquistador's buried gold don't seem out of place. Unfortunately, Hollywood's current fetish for mUh dIEveRSiTy requires that any story set in the aggressively colonial Old West be saddled with the obligatory albatross of endless grovelling and self-flagellation about the European/Indignenous conflict.
@moonlightbliss4791
@moonlightbliss4791 Рік тому
endless grovelling and self-flagellation this part right here. The wyt man bad bullshit is getting to be too much. Even those I know are starting to call it out.
@naughtycicero1460
@naughtycicero1460 Рік тому
This video really changed my perspective on westerns. All the comparisons to superhero movies today is all about how westerns died out due to over-saturation, but the way you put it, westerns are a genre that only makes us want them more when there is a drought of them.
@jrsanders1212
@jrsanders1212 Рік тому
I like the analysis. I would also mention Quigley Down Under as an odd but still appreciable western and Sukiyaki Western Django as a very interesting take on the genre in that it retold the story of Yojimbo while adding western elements and being very Japanese at the same time.
@machinist7230
@machinist7230 Рік тому
Quigley was a fantastic film, as it shows one of the few realistic scenes of long range shooting in Westerns to be portrayed.
@theminister1154
@theminister1154 Рік тому
Nice call on Quigley. He also forgot the greatest Western of all time in any format: Lonesome Dove. And the best 80's western: Silverado. Plus Firefly, which is most definitely a Western. They literally fly cows on the Firefly.
@Wastelandman7000
@Wastelandman7000 Рік тому
I'd add that a resurgence of the western doesn't even count its spin off generas such as Mountain Man, Longhunter, and Weird West properties. Like the Post Apocalyptic genera, there's a multitude of interesting stories you can tell.
@mikavirtanen7029
@mikavirtanen7029 Рік тому
It's a disgrace that Weird West classic The Adventures of Brisco County Jr. only got one season. Casualty of Fox Network of course.
@jkincaid582
@jkincaid582 Рік тому
I fully agree, with the sensibilities a lot of the public has for sci fi and pulpy super hero stuff, I think cross-genre westerns would really find an audience nowadays.
@MrDink-po9hr
@MrDink-po9hr Рік тому
Of course Ebert gave Pale Rider some love at a time when Westerns were unfashionable, he was always one of the few film critics that I thought was a fairly likeable guy regardless of whether I always agreed with him or not.
@jmullner76
@jmullner76 Рік тому
And Siskel was always kind of a drip.
@scockery
@scockery Рік тому
@@jmullner76 Still not as bad as uber-prick Leonard Maltin.
@cargosquid
@cargosquid Рік тому
@@jmullner76 kind of? LOL! He was such a drip, they called a plumber to fix him.
@Kirkmaximus
@Kirkmaximus Рік тому
@@cargosquid The word "drip" has gone full circle. Because zoomers (young adults) think wearing cool clothes makes you "drip" with fashion. But yes, Siskel always had bad taste.
@jmullner76
@jmullner76 Рік тому
@@Kirkmaximus It does? I was using it as a bad thing. Siskel always didn't like "popular" films or had a "hipster" vibe in a way.
@kathyflorcruz552
@kathyflorcruz552 Рік тому
LOVE it!!👍👍👍👍 To see Eli shoot "Fuck your freedom" Arnold WOULD be a GREAT Western. A REAL morale booster during these dark days.
@RogerTheil
@RogerTheil Рік тому
Fun fact: MANY cowboys were directly genetically related to the vikings. Meaning they are literal descendents of the vikings, both culturally and genetically. And given that many of the crusading knights were also direct descendants of these vikings, that means that the cowboys fall perfectly in line with this great succession of heroes of Western civilization. They were both the honorable knights and the marauding vikings of the American West and left a legacy every bit as great as these great men of old. Who will be the next, I wonder?
@philhelm1318
@philhelm1318 Рік тому
Hmmm...Maybe a viking saga can be rewritten as a Western. I'll bet even an Anglo-Saxon story like Beowulf could be translated. Hell, Beowulf and Wyglief trash talking each other is straight up Western.
@SirBlackReeds
@SirBlackReeds Рік тому
Fact that is more fun: Scottish immigrants came to live in the South, and they brought their cultural proclivities with them.
@leonidaspereirafilho499
@leonidaspereirafilho499 Рік тому
Ok, this is cool if true, but how the hell would you even know that they were related to the vikings?
@legiongang6707
@legiongang6707 Рік тому
​@@leonidaspereirafilho499 Sort of, it's more accurate to say many had Germanic blood. Over half of White Americans are descended from men from countries like England, Scotland, Germany, France, Netherlands, Denmark etc. About 30% of Whites in America come from the British Isles, that would be England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and Cornwall. There were several Germanic and Viking settlements and invasions in this region through history, so a number of people who came to America from Britian are indeed descendants of Vikings and Anglo Saxons. Looking in the far Western regions of America, the Whites are usually from England, which was established by the Anglo Saxons. The Midwest is more Viking/Germanic (around 40%), and the South/Dixie is more Scottish and rural English with some Irish as well. So yeah, Americans largely descend from Germanic Saxons and Vikings, followed up by Celtics.
@ulfskinn1458
@ulfskinn1458 Рік тому
That sort of poetic view on heritage was actually very popular in the 19th century. You see, White Americans could generally be drawn into a few groups. There were the mercantile New Englanders descended from Puritans and the Dutch, the plantation nobility of the deep South descended from cavaliers from southern England, the "red-necks" of the upper South and Frontier descended from the wild border Scots and men of Ulster, and the liberty minded settlers of Pennsylvania and the old Northwest that had a lot of German and Irish stock. Of course there was admixture and many who did not really fall into any of these categories, but these broad cultural differences were noted even back then. Cowboys often came from Scotch Irish or more recent Irish stock. The range wars and clannish disputes on the Frontier could have easily found a home on the scottish borders in the 1500s or 1600s. The pastoral lifestyle also had similarities to pre-cromwellian Ireland, where wealth was measured in cattle. The semi-feudal clan structure of this society also somewhat resembled that of ranching, where a number of cowboys would work for a family that owned the herd. Furthermore, a sort of wild individualism was and is typical of the Irish. In Europe one could find Irish adventurers and mercenaries in many major conflicts. A notable example of this sort of Gaelic individualism was Billy the Kid, who grew up speaking Irish and went on to embody the image of the noble gunslinger, fighting for what he believes is right in spite of the law and society. All of this is, however, a romantic simplification, as the inclinations and motivations of anyone should be measured at the individual level, however the connections are intriguing nonetheless.
@ethanreed5815
@ethanreed5815 Рік тому
The Western might be one of the most versatile genres of fiction of all time. Fantasy, sci-fi, horror, detective fiction, noir, neo western, heist film, weird fiction etc... I'd love it if the genre came back in a big way.
@CodyMacArthurFett
@CodyMacArthurFett Рік тому
The last time I saw a good Western was when I watched the anime version of "Golden Kamuy" (or at least the first season, my schedule keeps slipping for seeing what comes after) and seeing the public reception to it was a bit of a heartbreaker. It was a nakedly Western show, from the gruff-faced war veteran panning for gold on the frontier to the factional interplay between natives, outlaws, and an encroaching federal government. Yet, despite being so obviously a Western, the difference in setting from the American West to Hokkaido was apparently enough to make it so that no one was able to recognize it as a Western. The Western has been gone for so long that no one remembers what a Western even is anymore. Ironically, this could be one of the best things to ever happen to the genre, because it means that the "cliché" tale of the white hat sheriff riding in to save the day from the black hat bandit can come back and few will use that stale word to describe it. Add in Razor's point here about the society, and we're primed for a revival of epic proportions.
@ImInLoveWithBulla
@ImInLoveWithBulla Рік тому
The moment you mentioned aging action stars… damn. Stallone would be perfect for a grizzled old gunman.
@lotuscorpse
@lotuscorpse Рік тому
He is in the Expendables by all accounts, it's just more of a mercenary hit squad than western.
@1977Yakko
@1977Yakko Рік тому
A lot of great mentions in this but one of my favorites is one with Tom Selleck and Alan Rickman called Quigley Down Under. Ridiculously underrated IMO.
@imsteph21
@imsteph21 Рік тому
Make Westerns Great Again! 🤠
@chazzmccloud36
@chazzmccloud36 Рік тому
Glad you stuck ol Chuck Connors into the beginning. I absolutely love The Rifleman. Lucas McCain is the most badass single dad ever!
@blackrambo7417
@blackrambo7417 Рік тому
Man, I gotta say Rage, you have really open my eyes to such good class, quality, authenticity, and much more significance when it comes to cinema, games, books and more pop culture that is actually good. Glad I discovered this channel lol
@jackall-trades6149
@jackall-trades6149 Рік тому
In games at least, the stage is already set. We have Breath of the Wild, Sonic Frontiers, even the latest Pokemon games revel in wide open spaces. Add in a few frontier towns and an in-depth mission log, maybe some hunts, and you're printing money. Anyone else remember the clamor for Stranger's Wrath?
@fappydabear1774
@fappydabear1774 Рік тому
Some of my fondest memories were watching westerns with my grandfather at night after working in his garden or baling hay during the summer vacations. I graduated high school in 2005, and owe my grandpa much of the credit for the man I am today. My parents kind of sucked. My boomer grandpa is a baller.
@mrcliff3709
@mrcliff3709 Рік тому
Yep my grandad was the same way. I inherited his middle name Wayne as my great grandparents were huge john wayne fans
@adamriley9241
@adamriley9241 Рік тому
Ballad of Buster Scruggs is a Coen Brothers movie I recommend. Not the classic stern faced western like Clint but a western I stand by.
@wcw2793
@wcw2793 Рік тому
What’s sad is that Eastwood wanted to do a sequel to Josey Wales, but a horse allergy prevented him from doing a Western until Pale Rider.
@ianrotten4453
@ianrotten4453 Рік тому
Hell, classic Westerns are all I've been watching for some time now. Damn right, we need more of them these days...
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