Why you should want to suffer | Paul Bloom
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A life without suffering is a life without meaning.
But this is a paradox. We spend most of our life trying to avoid things like pain, fear, and grief - yet, sometimes, we seek them out. We watch sad movies. We push our bodies to the limit with extreme exercise. Why?
There are two reasons: (1) There is a difference between chosen and unchosen suffering. (2) The good things in life only make sense if there are also bad things. Without the bad, the good loses meaning.
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About Paul Bloom:
Paul Bloom is the Brooks and Suzanne Ragen Professor of Psychology at Yale University. An internationally recognized expert on the psychology of child development, social reasoning, and morality, he has won numerous awards for his research, writing, and teaching. Bloom’s previous books include Just Babies: The Origins of Good and Evil and How Pleasure Works: The New Science of Why We Like What We Like, and he has written for Science, Nature, The New York Times, and The New Yorker.
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@bigthink Рік тому
Do you think suffering gives people meaning?
@wearealive796 Рік тому
Yes definitely. Suffering is kind of awakening an enlightenment. I can go on and on expressing.
@wearealive796 Рік тому
the point that you mentioned ‘Real value of life is in chosen suffering’. To find meaning or purpose you don’t have to climb mountains or some kind of activity which takes a toll on you. I feel like we can just try to Understand the suffering of others or any problem world 🌎faces and do something little to make a net positive difference .
@grantsmythe8625 Рік тому
Yes. The Human Psyche is constructed in such a way that without consciously having to will it into being, Meaning will slowly emerge from suffering. The conscious mind will search for it and the deeper mind will provide.
@lordhamlet1185 Рік тому
Yes. Thinking about a holistically, there is only one way to have happiness. This is why everything good must have an antithesis. If every guy/ girl you meet is perfect, relationships would have no meaning, if every basket went in, there would be no NBA, you cannot have love without the ability to have hate. Even the Matrix touched on this. Brilliant movie. John 16:33
@MeatMachine69 Рік тому
People who have chronic illnesses would say they would give anything to get rid of their pain so I would think their ailment does not give them meaning and they resent it at all costs I do for sure
@iqbalsanbal195 Рік тому
"to live is to suffer, to survive is to find meaning in that suffering" - Frederick Nietzsche
@emmanuelweinman9673 Рік тому
Pain is inevitable. Suffering is a choice we have in our mind as a reaction to pain. Our identification with ourselves causes suffering from pain.
@yoonahkang7384 Рік тому
Thats a consolation phrase for poor
@CosmicDrift420 Рік тому
Freddy nachos
@emmanuelweinman9673 Рік тому
@@yoonahkang7384 paradoxically, the poor are usually happier than the rich. And people in the middle class are the happiest 😋
@wearealive796 Рік тому
So aptly said! Thanks
@emmanuelweinman9673 Рік тому
There is a Big difference between Pain and Suffering. Life is inevitably painful, but we do not need to suffer that pain. I’ve had 3 years of chronic pain so far, and my reaction to that pain matters more than the pain itself. We can either suffer our pain or accept our pain. The more I surrender to my pain and others’ pain, the more I appreciate Life. When I choose to suffer Pain, I hate life. I will always choose Love. Life is so beautiful it Hurts! Feel the Hertz!
@nolannbinet904 Рік тому
Thank you for this
@AS-rk5vb Рік тому
Pain lives in the body, suffering lives in the mind. Sometimes we can mitigate pain but not in people with chronic pain. On the other hand, we can all choose not to suffer.
@bigthink Рік тому
Great perspective, thank you for sharing and best of luck with everything!
@MusiicRoolz Рік тому
I agree with this and explained the same difference to my friend a while back. suffering is steeping and writhing in the pain, it's specifically being in pain and wishing you weren't. ironically, accepting the pain and discomfort (especially as something you can't control), makes the whole thing less "'"painful""
@r0conscious Рік тому
what's the reason of your chronic pain? I have ankylosing spondylitis since around 5 years
@Cassim125 Рік тому
There's a big difference between looking for meaning in challenges vs real misery
@MrCmon113 Рік тому
Yeah, I'm not suffering while working out even if the same sensations correlate with suffering in other situations.
@littlehollow Рік тому
@@MrCmon113 technically we do physically suffer when working out. Because the act of building muscle is tearing them apart and then they heal bigger than before
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
The difference between knowledge and wisdom is suffering. Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@MrCmon113 Рік тому
@@littlehollow Wrong and wrong. Physical suffering is nonsense. Suffering is a form of consciousness. Muscle damage is not the main driver of hypertrophy, if it drives hypertrophy at all, which might not be the case in the first place.
@MrCmon113 Рік тому
@@jeffforsythe9514 No. It's your lack of wisdom that causes you to suffer unnecessarily.
@luigidisanpietro3720 Рік тому
My Dad is so fulfilled, he finished School after: 1.) Hacking his way through the Jungle, 2.) Climbing on top of a 2000 meter hill, 3.) Fording a river fighting off crocs, 4.) Taking the Bus and, 5.) Finally reaching the classroom.
@gilgameshgawande3509 Рік тому
R u being sarcastic or R u serious?
@luigidisanpietro3720 Рік тому
@@gilgameshgawande3509 Just makin' a bit of fun.... The point is, hard work could get us somewhere....
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
and meeting your mother
@whale6024 Рік тому
"Pain and suffering are inevitable for persons of broad awareness and depth of heart. The truly great are, in my view, always bound to feel a great sense of sadness during their time upon earth" - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
This earth was created by Heaven for one reason, for us to suffer to redeem our sins and to return home to Heaven, nobody can escape that fact. Everyone has to go through a different degree of suffering..............falundafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
I understand suffering more than 99.9% of the people in the world do, sorry. Heaven created this plain of existence, Earth, as a last chance for us to suffer to take away our black karma to redeem our sins. Otherwise, when we all fell from Heaven, we would have gone directly to Hell. Chosen and unchosen suffering is fine is one chooses the correct path which is Falun Dafa. If not, Heaven will make us suffer, examples,........disease, destructive weather, death of our children, there is no escape from suffering. The more we suffer the less karma we retain and the kinder we become.
@kiavaxxaskew 11 місяців тому
@@jeffforsythe9514 How do you generate bad karma in the heavenly realms, in the first place.
@jeffforsythe9514 11 місяців тому
@@kiavaxxaskew From my understanding, jealousy is one way but checkout Falun Dafa.
@jeffforsythe9514 11 місяців тому
@@harpermoore1215 People got lost and became fun seekers instead of seeking the Divine. Earth is a sewer compared to our birthplace Heaven. Falun Dafa can show us the Way back home.
@Paul-eb2cl Рік тому
I agree with this, all growth happens either in adversity, or when reflecting on past adversity. It doesn't even have to be life changing monumental adversity, it can be a simple as being late for an appointment because you're stuck in traffic, or having to cancel a social engagement because you're ill. Each one of these instances is a chance to improve yourself, to stop yourself from freaking out, or blaming anything and everyone else, and to stop, remind yourself you are not going to die, and ask how do I improve this situation, and how will that in turn improve me. It's not easy, and it takes years of practice and effort, but at least you're trying to make yourself better, stronger and more resilient.
@MrCmon113 Рік тому
Lol, you "improve" yourself and then you die. What's that improvement for? What is improved in which ways? And why does that require a certain flavour of qualia to happen? I certainly see no evidence that adversity is required for any sort of improvement and more importantly I don't see why adversity necessarily leads to suffering. The ants in the grass where I like to lie are adverse to me and bite me, but I don't suffer because of it.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Temper is a powerful energy. Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
By keeping our anger, we temper our soul and each time we gain compassion....falundafa
@MrCmon113 Рік тому
@@jeffforsythe9514 In your world raping and bullying others is kind, because suffering is good. Good us bad, up is down. Your entire worldview is pure wickedness, pure malice, pure sadism.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
@@MrCmon113Just because so many people are evil does not mean all of us have to be without compassion.
@itskeagan3004 Рік тому
I experienced trauma as a young boy and it destroyed my happy, outgoing outlook on life until 32. I’m 34 now, recovered from my addiction and grateful that I finally “unfroze”. Those traumas kept me stuck in time, frozen and clinging to that pain and I continually hurt myself-to escape. It was a vicious cycle I slipped into and had no clue until I was so far gone it nearly took my life many times over. A Sarge who ran the drug rehabilitation program I was sentenced to in 2019 told me “you have to get comfortable with the uncomfortable” and it stuck. It’s actually part of my life’s transformation at this point, all the way down to taking cold showers to increase my tolerance to discomfort! If you had brain-changing trauma happen and are stuck in a pattern of extremes, I’d encourage you to discover where it’s coming from. Practice DBT, get to know yourself and what motivates you. You’re certainly not alone and it absolutely can be done.
@carpo719 Рік тому
Thanks for sharing. Excellent comment
@ayesha8809 Рік тому
It took you only 2 years to heal when you started taking it seriously? You only practice DBT or anything else as well?
@FifahGee Рік тому
What is DBT?
@ayesha8809 Рік тому
@@FifahGee dialectical behavioral therapy
@itskeagan3004 Рік тому
@@FifahGee DBT-Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. It helps me understand my emotions, approach and express them in a rational way that’s healthy. @Ayesha I can’t say what works for everyone. My comment may come off as I had this epiphany over two years. I spent from the age of 7 until 22 living with these traumas and my brain automatically stuffing them away. It led to extremely toxic behaviors and turmoil. I was a problem child to say the least. I became a father in 2009 when I was 21 and really started to have a hard time then because I felt an amazing love for my daughter! I started to question what love was and why I went through what I did. I quickly recognized how I was treating, loving and raising my child was not how I was treated. It motivated me to find out why and I started doing therapy. I started digging. I started a long knock-out battle of addiction starting with alcohol in 2009. It wasn’t until 2 years ago everything slowed down, I was able to start understanding why my trauma just wouldn’t let go. I read “The Body Keeps The Score” by Bessell Van Der Kolk and it sparked a fire under me. I really got back to basics. I started to do things like mild exercise, Whole Foods/less processed, I continue to learn and take knowledge from Dr’s in the field of mental health and trauma. I started to see a side taking over I knew was locked deep away, the exercise got easier and expanded into meditation (some think it’s weird), yoga. Just learning to be balanced and more centered and more at peace with myself. I know that’s a lot to read, I just hope my story can help just one person. Even help them get through today because I’ve been there. I know the profound effects trauma had on me and my mission is to help other adults but, kids especially. There’s so many kids today like I was, broken and need to be heard but have no clue how, I just want to help those people and kids.
@hoptanglishalive4156 Рік тому
We seek out novelty. If we're bored with happiness or success, our response to seemingly pursue suffering may actually be an escape from the suffering of boredom. It's variety that holds meaning.
@anonanon7553 Рік тому
So true! I always disagreed with some of Alan watts because he never said this!
@mv3671 Рік тому
@@anonanon7553 Terrence McKenna did. He was inspired by A Watts
@MrCmon113 Рік тому
Yes and novelty scales with attention and awareness. On LSD everything can be novel. If you're paying sufficient attention sitting in a quiet room is a firework of sensations, a fire in a circus.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Boredom is another word for pain, just being alive. Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
WE all have become fun seekers instead of seeking the Divine, Falun Dafa
@StevenScienceNTech Рік тому
I do not agree to his claim : "we need pain and suffering to have rich and happy lives"
@renegadesofanarchy289 Рік тому
It’s a bullshit claim commonly used to rationalise suffering and to not help those who are miserable.
@abewewew Рік тому
I was contemplating the Buddha’s teachings one day and I came to the realisation “the more one has experienced suffering, the more mature they are”. The Buddha realised that every thing in this world leads to suffering and therefore he attained the ultimate maturity of the mind.
@jeffforsythe9514 9 місяців тому
But he also had spiritual masters and Falun Dafa can give you that.
@FactsCountdown 9 місяців тому
Desires is the root cause of suffering. ~ Gautam Buddha Birth is the root cause of suffering. ~ Me Because without birth their can be no desire.
@jeffforsythe9514 9 місяців тому
@@FactsCountdown ???????????
@neww0lf611 3 місяці тому
So whose desire was the birth?. I know mom and dad... but it is beyond that @@FactsCountdown
@beverlyHillsAgent Рік тому
Suffering creates perseverance. Perseverance creates characters. Characters creates hope.
@masterprattu Рік тому
And hope does not put us to shame.
@heisawesome4329 Рік тому
Amen!
@jankowalski4447 Рік тому
And hope creates suffering
@heisawesome4329 Рік тому
@@jankowalski4447 how?? please explain?
@jankowalski4447 11 місяців тому
@@heisawesome4329 bc it sounds wise and it closes the circle
@djpurpledays1276 Рік тому
Those jobs are meaningful because they’re about helping people. If suffering were the key to meaning, the child laborers of cobalt in our phones would be the most fulfilled people, or would be considered to have the best start in life, and we all know that’s wrong. It’s about running the race, proving you’re worthy of your goals, and transforming your life in the process.
@bigthink Рік тому
Really interesting point. It would be interesting to look at jobs that had a lot of suffering but little benefit to others, like child labor, and jobs that benefited people a lot with little direct suffering, like philanthropy. Is meaning in proportion to the benefit to others? Or to the suffering you experience? Or perhaps there are other variables, like the meaning to you or your family. If you had to mine cobalt for your family to survive or get basic essentials, maybe it would feel meaningful even if you didn't care about the cobalt. If you worked in philanthropy but felt anyone could do your job and you didn't deserve the money to begin with, perhaps you wouldn't feel as much meaning as you'd expect. But only data could show us this in the aggregate.
@chenath9582 Рік тому
It is incorrect to say child laborers undergoing a lot of suffering to feed their family, have less meaningful lives than say a child born to a wealthy family, with much less responsibilities. There is no data to measure meaning. What we see, is pointless suffering, but they might be having a very meaningful life, after all, we get used to it. Like in the fantasy pointed out in the video, likewise, the suffering becomes an amount we can manage (boring). When they feed their families, they might be getting very meaningful experiences. The point is, the common view of a meaningful life is delusional.
@MrCmon113 Рік тому
I'm already superior to most people. Why will I be happy when I'm superior to some more of them?
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@RialuCaos Рік тому
That's right. The more you benefit people around you and the more tangible that effect is, the more "meaningful" your employment. Because eventually you will die, but the effect you have on others will live on.
@RandomToast Рік тому
I've been living in perpetual unchosen suffering. More chosen suffering? No fking thanks
@Kirby18 Рік тому
The guy completely neglects mental health crises like most psychologists and philosophers. Stupid concepts made by him
@ColdBaltBlue Місяць тому
As someone who’s gone through much of the same, I’d rather challenge myself but by bit to find meaning than sit here like a zombie and wait to die. Life is a gift I never wanted, but since I’m alive, I’m going to make the most of it in a way that makes sense to me. There will be lazy days, there will be ups and downs, but life is never so simple.
@DEE-qu5mc Рік тому
The good things in life, only make sense relative to the bad things. How very true!
@SmithWhite-pf9kq Рік тому
I know I'm going to look back at this past year and think "how tf did I get through that?" But also see how it leads me to better things and make sense of the suffering endured in retrospect.
@jeffforsythe9514 9 місяців тому
You made it but now you need a great teacher......................falun dafa
@randomone4832 Рік тому
It's not pain, or pure suffering, but the possibility of not succeeding that brings meaning to things we find meaningful and worth doing. No risk, no reward. No pain, no gain.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
We are all here to seek the Divine but have totally lost are way and have chosen to play in the mud instead. Literally...........................falundafa
@jonathandemacedo158 Рік тому
Fascinating. As someone who hates pain, I’ve always found this notion to be appealing but only at arms length. I do struggle with his assertion that “for something to be meaningful, it must involve suffering” as the delight of a serene beach with plenty of wine and a lovely sunset isn’t only meaningful to me because it was a struggle to get there. Not saying I’m right, just aching for a bit more nuance.
@evanprice5470 Рік тому
I think Paul might point to a monotonous 40 hour work week, or relationship troubles, or the 6 hour plane ride as the suffering that sets the stage for the scene you’re describing. It seems to me that there’s a constant hum of suffering in our lives that make the serene stand out. Happiness is peace.
@TheAgentJesus Рік тому
Think of it this way: if the ONLY thing you could/would EVER experience were that same serene beach scene, what then would it be like?
@joelstephenson8017 Рік тому
Same. I hate pain, and don't feel like I need challange. I need connection. Idk though. Maybe the answer is in what he said "chosen suffering". Suffering caused because of passion rather than mountain suffering caused by fate.
@98anj Рік тому
@@irrelevant2235 I mean he mentioned the difference between chosen and unchosen suffering, that was literally the entire point of the video. What you’re describing in the beginning of your comment is a result of unchosen suffering, and he isn’t really trying to address what unchosen suffering does to people, as that is what drives people to commit suicide and such. The point of this video is that consistently being in a state of pleasure without experiencing any kind of suffering at all will eventually become a form of suffering in itself, because you will be bored and unstimulated in your life. The feeling of happiness eventually becomes too familiar, too predictable and meaningless. Perhaps this desire for chosen suffering and choosing to do the “hard thing” is more enticing towards the younger generation, I think after a certain age you loose a lot of energy and people would rather just live a peaceful boring life as you’ve suggested and avoid pain if possible. But I suspect that if your life has been very easy from an early age, at some point you purposely seek out chosen suffering to spice up your life and live more meaningfully. Human beings need change, we are not stagnant beings
@VeritableVagabond Рік тому
Highly recommend Buddhism
@Will-xl7xp 11 місяців тому
Suffering makes you stronger.
@AwakenYourInnerBuddha Рік тому
Whenever we undergo any kind of suffering, our desire to end that suffering seems to immediately arise. This desire is nothing other than kindness and compassion, and what's amazing about our human nature.
@MrCmon113 Рік тому
One of the most liberating insights is that all desires and indeed all inner judgements originate from love - at least logically. Even sadism stems from a love for yourself in the future wishing yourself joy.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
We learn compassion and how to be kind through suffering, Falun Dafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Not exactly, by suffering we gain kindness and compassion, falun dafa
@rares1524 Рік тому
Suffering is immoral, the fact that suffering is one of the very effective ways to give us something that we want doesnt make it moral and its also not the best way to improve in general.
@CantripN Рік тому
While on the whole, I do agree, there's a lot of nuance here. Especially reg. work that has meaning - people are willing to suffer to have meaning, it's not that suffering inherently creates meaning. This is just exploitation of perceived value of meaning by employers paying less and treating people worse for it. This is rampant in Healthcare and such.
@TheMysteriousGamer6 Рік тому
Give me stronger battles.
@Inke7 11 місяців тому
Dr. Bloom is outstanding as usual 🙏
@malikbenmoumen5878 Рік тому
The most subtil content I haven't watched for a while. I think it just allowed me to see life from another perspective. Thank you So much Professer!
@mb8kr Рік тому
Subtle.
@malikbenmoumen5878 Рік тому
@@mb8kr I'm actually a bilingual. My 2nd language is French. So sometimes I accidentally use french words in English. Thank you for the notice!
@mb8kr Рік тому
@@malikbenmoumen5878 Malik, thanks for your quick reply, I might be from the same country as you do, which is DZ😃 Malik is a very common name in Algeria. And we think more often french when we try to write in English, i have that problem too.
@malikbenmoumen5878 Рік тому
@@mb8kr Yeah you hitted the spot. I'm algerian. From tizi ouzou to be more precise. It's a pleasure to meet a compatriot in such a way.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Please forget that silly term chosen suffering. This planet was created by Heaven for us to suffer for our sins and then we are permitted to return home to Heaven. We all have become lost and now have become fun seekers, a huge mistake..........falundafa can show us the Way.
@batuhand1317 Рік тому
If you look at it from a physiological perspective, pathway is quite clear. Exercise, stress or maybe hurting yourself in a case of masochism stimulates cortisol release and some of that excess cortisol is turned into endorphin, a hormone which is responsible for some of the good feelings we experience. We all partly know about the sweet exhaustion after a workout, this is how it simply works.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Too complicated. Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Suffering such as exercise or hard work suppresses black karma but does not eliminate it. If one is seeking Divinity, Falun Dafa shows one how to eliminate the karma.
@renegadesofanarchy289 Рік тому
This is one of the problems with his argument, exercise is a mixed experience, creating both pleasure and pain, for those who like exercise, more pleasure than pain and for those who dislike exercise (hello!) more pain than pleasure.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Exercising or self torture supress karma but do not eliminate it. Falun Dafa eliminates karma. We fell here from Heaven. Most things here have been created by Satan so we would be tempted to stay, eventually behaving badly and fall to His Domain. That is exactly why billions of nuns and monks over the centuries separated themselves from society so that they might return to Heaven, their birthplace.....................falundafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Yes, pain can suppress karma which can bring a period of relief but the wonderful practice Falun Gong permanently removes karma. Leaving one's heart and mind clear and pure.
@nataliamartir2882 Рік тому
Me, a chronic pain patient... "Well, fuck me, then." Everyone that knows me, Knows if this stopped, for me, I'd live my life with all the gusto I could. Shit. I STILL try. But being stuck in a wildly dreaming pain cage seems to be a particularly cruel kind of suffering. I would like to believe I have a better life ahead of me. I'm a disabled, 33 yr old.
@machomanrichards1534 Рік тому
Buddha simply said: 1. There is suffering in this world. 2. There are reasons for those suffering. 3. There's a way out of it.
@neillynch_ecocidologist Рік тому
Didn't Buddha say that religion's a scam to exploit the poor, the desperate and the ignorant?
@theschoolofconsciousness Рік тому
Evilness always think suffering is good. Eventhough humans have the ability to end suffering by chosing not to procreate, we are just falling for the bribes nature imposed on us for keeping the suffering everlasting. Pure evilness enjoying its own shit.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
No, just learn from a great teacher. To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
No, he would never have said that, He was quite aware of the need for suffering, it removes black karma. Falun Gong
@machomanrichards1534 Рік тому
@@jeffforsythe9514 Name the country where Buddha was born.
@mahirg6206 Рік тому
What beautiful content you guys have. Points awesomely put across, a very nice constructive flow of content and also the time length. I like the content cause it opens up untraveled roads to your mind with a guide to what the path is all about or say how could it be useful to each individual. Beautiful
@jeffforsythe9514 9 місяців тому
There is only one Great Way and it is Falun Dafa
@xensonar9652 Рік тому
This just seems like ideas for those with a privilaged, safe-living existence, only ever having to deal with the shallow end of human suffering.
@iLoveToBeM3 Рік тому
I thought the same and slightly disagree with him saying that “the most meaningful sufferings are chosen sufferings…”
@joserubalcava1811 Рік тому
I think you’re right but I also think that’s the point at the same time. Like he says in the beginning it’s unchosen suffering that we have to avoid as much as possible (I.e. getting assaulted or getting cancer). It’s the chosen suffering that is in a way more shallow than the latter, but you also have to acknowledge that the suffering included in this type also mentions careers like doctors and military people. These people actually choose to see people die in front of them, or to have to face the idea that they can die themselves. So yea, chosen suffering is shallow when you compare working out for hours vs losing a loved one, but at the same time that’s the point. Because when you try to teach people to swim you can’t just throw them into the deep end, or even if you do it’s not ok to do so without safety devices right? That’s why it’s called a “sweet spot” because you have to give people enough room to grow without breaking down their spirit. And this is a phenomenon in psychology too; forgot what it’s called though.
@ButtersCCookie Рік тому
I know right. Like some population control nonsense. It's awful and it makes me angry and powerless. Which l can't accept no matter how hard l try. I know, I'm the only one who says, sees, thinks this way. I've tried to get a lobotomy and electric shock therapy. I've wanted nothing more my entire life than to be oblivious and willfully Enslaved. I only ask that the lie make sense. It never has and never will.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@xensonar9652 Рік тому
@@jeffforsythe9514 No it doesn't. Those who suffer abuse quite often go on to harm others. Hurt people hurt people. Where you got the idea that suffering is a kindness generator is a mystery to me.
@invox9490 Рік тому
People who choose to suffer have a life that doesn't have enough suffering in it. I for one, pass.
@_t_f_ Рік тому
It’s a little bit fluffy but I generally like how he’s thinking. He is a great speaker in my opinion.
@solosamurai3365 Рік тому
Thank you for this video.
@princeamu Рік тому
It’s hard watching this. I really want to be open and learn but I guess I’m not there. Choosing suffering sounds like a luxury when suffering is about the only thing you know, especially if it’s something you’re born into. All you want to do is get out because the emotional torture can be unbearable. So to say you want to choose this feels like wow, what is going on?!!
@kelseychow5415 Рік тому
I think it can be understood as, when you choose to find meaning in the given suffering, you empower and strengthen yourself. Also, chosen sufferings such as exercising or difficult job helps you to expand and desire more growth. The given sufferings such as the ones you are born into, can be turned into a journey of finding the meaning among them, which makes them useful to you, rather than causing you just pain
@Dobbz_Media Рік тому
You ALWAYS have a choice. It may be in the choicest in front of you, or finding another, or having to wait for even just a chance of another - but it’s always possible… And YOU have to take it when it comes. That’s what I call faith. I’m going though a healing process from a similar state and background, and wish you the best.
@marcellomassardo4509 Рік тому
this channel is like a rich man telling the crowds that poverty is a value
@Cassim125 Рік тому
@@kelseychow5415 perhaps you would like to volunteer to be born as a poor villager suffering from low food supplies in Africa? Since you think suffering is a game to be played
@princeamu Рік тому
Where is the dislike button when you need one. Lol.
@MrsDetroit622 Рік тому
Life is inherently sufficiently difficult. We don't have to add difficulties for meaning; they are part and parcel of the experience itself.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Yes, of course, we all have mistaken this place to be fun, guess again, compared to Heaven, this place is a sewer. We fell here from Heaven. Most things here have been created by Satan so we would be tempted to stay, eventually behaving badly and fall to His Domain. That is exactly why billions of nuns and monks over the centuries separated themselves from society so that they might return to Heaven, their birthplace.....................falundafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
But wisdom is nice to have. To look inside, where all the wisdom lies, hurts and that is why people do anything to avoid it, the list is endless. Eating, cooking, sports, drinking, drugs, cellphones, diets, hobbies, shopping, are all ways of avoiding looking inside. You see, we call it boring, which it really is, boring into ourselves, no fun. But there is a wonderful practice that shows us how, Falun Gong.
@notarussianbot9435 Рік тому
Pretty much, suffering should not be a goal. Suffering without purpose is a meaningless life.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
@@wildmandala This earth was created by Heaven for one reason, for us to suffer to redeem our sins and to return home to Heaven, nobody can escape that fact. Everyone has to go through a different degree of suffering..............falundafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
This earth was created by Heaven for one reason, for us to suffer to redeem our sins and to return home to Heaven, nobody can escape that fact. Everyone has to go through a different degree of suffering..............falundafa
@l1u2k3a4s5 11 місяців тому
Beautiful way of conveying this message
@kuna571 Рік тому
Love Professor Bloom since his online psychology lectures. I strongly encourage you to watch it, they are fascinating and entertaining.
@Alritealritealrite Рік тому
Not that long ago I was wishing for things to be how they were before I felt like this. Being just okay feels like heaven when you're not. Then again being just okay is probably pretty good
@chevychelios4672 Рік тому
We can not escape it bro. We even WILL fleshly die. Mark 9:49-50 " For everyone will be salted with fire. " Salt is good; but if the salt becomes unsalty, with what will you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with one another. " Romans 5:3-6 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
@bboysaif8 Рік тому
We all understand that we need to suffer in certain areas of life in order to achieve our dreams. Yet the human brain is powerful and conjures up many ways for us to avoid that, making it more complicated than it is.
@jeffforsythe9514 9 місяців тому
We are not here to achieve our dreams, we are here to seek the Divine and to return home to heaven............Falun Dafa
@funnyhowlifegoes 11 місяців тому
We can’t avoid suffering, but we can choose our suffering. For example, we will inevitably age and our body will deteriorate. But we can choose to suffer by working out, to make the unchosen suffering (aging) more bearable.
@S4IF15 Рік тому
This very thing was specifically written in the Quran. Alhamdulilah. This is amazing insight.
@elpeluca7780 Рік тому
Of course religious ppl like this. Religion is the worst poison to society
@jiayiwei209 Рік тому
I think meaning can be derived from minimizing self or others' suffering, but not the other way around... By optimizing how we do things and balancing different aspects of life, we can achieve the same meaningful outcome while reducing the amount of suffering. I would agree that challenges make life more meaningful, but challenges do not have to involve suffering.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
We fell here from Heaven. Most things here have been created by Satan so we would be tempted to stay, eventually behaving badly and fall to His Domain. That is exactly why billions of nuns and monks over the centuries separated themselves from society so that they might return to Heaven, their birthplace.....................falundafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
No, we all need a wise teacher..................Falun Gong
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Suffering can be suppressed by many different ways, sex, music, eating, drinking, drug abuse, sports, but can only be removed through suffering...................falundafa
@shamusson Рік тому
Challenge is what he called chosen suffering, struggle. It is this struggle that must be maximized, for only through it does man achieve his potential.
@jeffforsythe9514 9 місяців тому
Your conclusion is incorrect. Suffering cleans the soul of its black karma, it is the only way...........Falun Dafa
@maxwelldillon4805 Рік тому
Title is just immediately problematic
@coolbreeze5683 Рік тому
I read stories about people who have had near death experiences (NDE) and many say they learned in the afterlife that souls choose to come to earth and into a physical body in order to experience suffering, since it provides contrast. Without this contrast, it's like perpetual beauty that can't be truly appreciated.
@neprhicarrot9283 2 місяці тому
Though physical suffering does build a more athletic body. I believe that emotional suffering is what makes the wisest people. Things like mistakes, tragedy, and isolation which drives a person to change for better or worse. By overcoming a problem you have no control of, you learn to be a better person.
@charli_0 Рік тому
Sufferings are a gift from God, learnt that at 17. Now I'm 51 kg from being 126 kg. Still no girlfriend though, but I am much more happier with myself now
@MrCmon113 Рік тому
You are sad, because you're happy? You wished you could be fat again and you're afraid of getting a girlfriend? Worry that your god has run out of suffering for you?
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Yes, the American Weigh. To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@elpeluca7780 Рік тому
Wow that god of yours is reeeeeeaaaalllyyyyy a nice guy... Sheep
@Seek-insight Рік тому
This is what I needed right now. Thank you.
@ViceZone 11 місяців тому
Did this guy really say avoid suffering that you CANNOT choose to avoid? Wow, well done.
@nisham4477 9 місяців тому
Thank you for the insight sir.
@samuelkamotho4958 Рік тому
This means am in the right path. I should just endure more and I will hit my milestones
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
You also need a wise teacher.............Falun Gong
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
No, you need a great teacher. Heaven created this plain of existence, Earth, as a last chance for us to suffer to take away our black karma to redeem our sins. Otherwise, when we all fell from Heaven, we would have gone directly to Hell. Chosen and unchosen suffering is fine is one chooses the correct path which is Falun Dafa. If not, Heaven will make us suffer, examples,........disease, destructive weather, death of our children, there is no escape from suffering. The more we suffer the less karma we retain and the kinder we become.
@erykamarillya1619 Рік тому
A thing that really disturbes me is that fatality of human to get bored with happiness. That's why I am researching the philosophy of Schopenhauer, to whom boredom is a necessary reflex of a life based on will. Why? Why are we not able to be happy without suffering?
@theschoolofconsciousness Рік тому
Evilness always think suffering is good. Eventhough humans have the ability to end suffering by chosing not to procreate, we are just falling for the bribes nature imposed on us for keeping the suffering everlasting. Pure evilness enjoying its own shit.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Bore is a misnomer for pain. To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@MrCmon113 Рік тому
That's complete bullshit. You don't get "bored with happiness". I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. You get "bored" when you fail to pay attention and/or are stuck in a bad situation, ie you're suffering a lack of happiness. That is what boredom is. Suffering due to unskillfullness or adverse circumstances. You ARE able to be happy. If you are happy for one microsecond, you can be happy forever and everyone can be. It just requires an active effort on your part to help others and improve yourself.
@erykamarillya1619 Рік тому
@Taxtro you have somuch knowledge and certainties. You also can put all the diversity human experience under your one perspective! That's a blessing. Me, myself, since I don't have this blessing, I prefer to question, to search, to be critic of the "knowledge" before writing down confident assumptions. Also, if you failed to understand what I said, I can patiently explain to you. Unless you already have all the knowledge about human experience, of course.
@MrCmon113 Рік тому
@@erykamarillya1619 >you have somuch knowledge and certainties Rejecting suffering requires absolutely minimal knowledge and certainties. It indeed requires nothing but simple experience. > I prefer to question, to search You're not questioning anything, you're LARPing. You're LARPing as a philosopher while others are suffering from your arrogance. >Unless you already have all the knowledge about human experience Literally all of the experience necessary to debunk your pseudo-intellectual shite is to have been happy once and to have suffered once. Given that those states exist and are non-identical, the only question that remains is how to erase suffering and how to create happiness.
@satnamo 11 місяців тому
We need pain and suffering in order to have a meaningful life ❤
@polepino 17 днів тому
the very base meaning of suffering is "to experience." it is often linked with negative emotions/feelings but suffering is experiencing.
@Ashallmusica Рік тому
Well when you suffer there could be many choices and when you're brave enough to keep going with the suffering you'll learn some valuable lessons. Those lessons, somehow, make you a conqueror and you'll find a meaning and start building the life you're deserve of ( you'll not realise if it's happening )
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
We are here to suffer but instead became fun seekers, the Divine should be our quest, Falun Dafa
@melon9680 Рік тому
@@jeffforsythe9514 Gonna slap this quote all over are you?
@melon9680 Рік тому
Sadly this isn't true for all, far from. I was born into a broken country, a country with a majority who hates the minority which I fall under. And they don't shy away from openly wanting to shit on us or kill us every chance they get. Because of past events. And as you grew up in this rotten eyesore of a nation I call home, facing untold danger and mass unemployment, while also being subject to affirmative action besides other laws that favor the ruling race, you may grow up, learn your leasons, but you will never have the life you want when it's not even in your own hands. God doesn't even get involved, the world doesn't get involved because people do not care about problems they don't own. This society we built for ourselves rewards the wicked and chews up the honest man. The problems we derive from our experiences living in this 1 dimensional world of ours is dull, and small. And I don't need to experience them all to learn them when they repeat so often through the lives of all others. In the end, is that wisdom? Or is that just worn out cli ches not worth remembering. It makes you wonder, what is true wisdom and what sort of real challenges should we face for us to grow beyond the same old same old. And no, I'm not some African man bitching about white people and slavery. If I could choose to live anywhere else besides this planet, I'd be on the next flight out. Some place where life isn't so repetitive.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
We suffer because we sinned in Heaven and suffering removes the black karma from our souls. We fell here from Heaven. Most things here have been created by Satan so we would be tempted to stay, eventually behaving badly and fall to His Domain. That is exactly why billions of nuns and monks over the centuries separated themselves from society so that they might return to Heaven, their birthplace.....................falundafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
I understand suffering more than 99.9% of the people in the world do, sorry. Heaven created this plain of existence, Earth, as a last chance for us to suffer to take away our black karma to redeem our sins. Otherwise, when we all fell from Heaven, we would have gone directly to Hell. Chosen and unchosen suffering is fine is one chooses the correct path which is Falun Dafa. If not, Heaven will make us suffer, examples,........disease, destructive weather, death of our children, there is no escape from suffering. The more we suffer the less karma we retain and the kinder we become.
@danishsamir8807 Рік тому
Scary movies and eating chillies are a pleasure for me
@renegadesofanarchy289 Рік тому
This is part of the problem with Paul Bloom’s argument. Scary movies and spicy food are mixed experiences, creating both pleasure and pain. In your case the pleasure outweighs the pain, in my case it’s generally the other way around.
@gsilcoful Рік тому
Thank you.
@vikopresto1749 11 місяців тому
Love this channel man, thank you
@steveirwin3594 11 місяців тому
I don't know, I was a much better, kinder, ambitious, and loving person before I got hit with seemingly-endless suffering. I certainly think it would be better for me and everyone around me to not experience this.
@Heopful 11 місяців тому
Tbh I'm giving up on all this pseudo-spiritual, do this and you'll achieve enlightenment bullshit. Maybe it's all overcomplicating it? Maybe the answer is just be happy
@vajraman2067 Рік тому
As The old Chinese adage says: "The diamond is not polished with friction, nor the person perfected without trials". In Chinese Chan Buddhist (Zen in Japan, Seon in Korea) teachings it is said that one must "Eat Bitter" to understand full enlightenment.
@uniquenamegames9112 Рік тому
A gem cannot be polished without friction, nor a man perfected without trials. Lucius Annaeus Seneca The old Chinese adage by Roman statesman, Seneca?
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@alexmacphail9590 Рік тому
Love this!!
@mafermusic5361 10 місяців тому
What I value the most about this video is how it summarizes everything in the following example: Imagine that you can dream a lucid dream about anything you truly desire to come true, then the next day you can do the same, and so on. At some point it will get boring and meaningless right? Because it is plain and has no risk. It's just like a movie where everything is happy and perfect, nobody would want to see it. So just remember that eventough life can get pretty messy and hurt you, it's part of the plot, and the protagonist's development, and that will be you. You may start as someone that has been really really hurt but remember that you can decide wether to become batman or the joker and find meaning by being a superhero, you can save lives just by listening and being a company to someone who may want to end his own life, you never know who that might be. In that way instead of growing into a villain find meaning in the inevitable and necessary pain within this bittersweet and poignant life.
@unrealnews Рік тому
Wrong conclusion. The jobs that were identified as meaningful were deemed this because those working on the problems within their position could see measurable incremental progress on their projects.
@ApAcVideoWatcher Рік тому
Immense unchosen suffering causes us to appreciate life more when we're able to keep our head above the water, so to speak. It is only when you've lost an ability that you and everyone else takes for granted that perspective starts to shift. There's so many forms and we're often very ignorant as a society where "suffering" is concerned; be it physical, emotional, or a combination of the two. There's a startling difference of perception between people who have experienced extended suffering to the brink or beyond their limits and those who have barely scratched the surface of suffering. The perception of intensity, for example. It's also quite remarkable observing the different ways people respond to and assimilate that suffering. High levels of acute pain can be extraordinarily challenging, but it dissipates. High levels of on going chronic pain is an entirely different ballgame. Both require mental fortitude, but the later requires a person to get to know and become comfortable with themselves and their emotions if they want to come out the other side. It requires surrendering ego, humbling ourselves, and then learning when to ride the storm inside and learning when to grab the lightning, so-to-speak. I wish that we better prepared people for such events and had better support structures in place for when they occur. Society expects certain behaviors to believe a person is "suffering", and yet it is those expected behaviors that will destroy the person. It's true that it is in suffering that we learn the depths of compassion, I think. Yet, we're not well designed as a society to keep those who are suffering integrated. It's extremely important that people learn how to find joy in the smallest things and that they learn how malleable "self" can be. We have to learn to flow with the river unless we want to get crushed by it. Not everyone is lucky enough to innately have that mindset. I really wish there were mandatory classes on this throughout life, because mindset makes all the difference in the world and we lose too many bright lights needlessly that we wouldn't have. If they'd only been shown a way to cope that works for them. Ironically, in many cases we must seek suffering to have any hope of lessening suffering. That's pretty challenging when it's day in and day out for an unspecified eternity. It definitely teaches a person that "failure" is just another word for "you almost got it".
@yashsrivastava5773 Рік тому
hey I really like ur esssay lol jk...I have this vision like in entrepreneurdhip to have a structure like public for example a activity introduced where sometimes the person involved is booed and cheered just like a experiment in controlled settings to get a personal get immune and before hand teach them that remember few points in public speaking and then letting it expose onto them thro these activities. Its just example how more things can be introduced like u mentioned in form of chosen suffering to prepare us for unchosen ones. ;0
@ApAcVideoWatcher Рік тому
@@yashsrivastava5773 Join the crowd. "Liking" my essays places you in the outspoken group. 🤪 If I'm understanding you correctly, I do think there are various forms of your idea which already occur in different fields. Of course, could just step onto a comedy stage and wait a few seconds, I guess. I imagine such an endeavor could be most beneficial, but I think there'd be a lot of safety considerations to take into account. Go for it and hope the boos aren't directed back at you. 😂 Though I guess that'd be a win, too. I wish you luck and fortitude. 🦋
@saosaqii5807 Рік тому
It can also make people hate life There will be those who resent, hate and grudge what has happened and either sought to change that or break apart Not everyone learns the same lesson from similar experiences.
@MrCmon113 Рік тому
You can imagine things being much worse right now. And indeed for many other entities they are.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@einienj3281 Рік тому
Yes, chosen suffering is needed to enjoy life..
@MaxMustermann-vy7ur Рік тому
Thanks very informativ video and will help people understand the meaning of suffering to get better times
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
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@jacobpetterson3873 Рік тому
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@Robinson8491 Рік тому
Excellence is difficult as it is rare; otherwise everybody would be excellent ~ Benedict Spinoza
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
The path to wisdom is easy to express, err and err and err again, but less and less and less. Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@nguyetanhbui6243 11 місяців тому
Living in pain is terrible, stressful, but because living in pain makes me appreciate every minorities beauty of things in life, from just a kindness of people, a small offer from others which I never expected to receive, I received. Living in pain had two sides but the key still is find somewhat balance that suffer, by enjoying it, find the pleasure, mission, and motivation from that pain. I am addicted to suffer, not the negative side but only choosing to suffer could help me improve.
@ChristopherOrth Рік тому
"All life is suffering". Buddhism worked this out a very long time ago. When you realize this, it changes everything.
@keen2461 Рік тому
No need to try to find suffering. If you are alive, you are suffering one way or the other, but we ALL suffer to some extend.
@counterpoint9260 Рік тому
yes, we dont need to really seek out suffering..
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
And for a very good reason................Falun Dafa
@yfna1 Рік тому
Fools make a virtue of suffering.
@knownaskai Рік тому
Living life the hard way, makes living life easier
@dondox1290 Рік тому
Sound design is amazing! Well done!
@oneworldonehome Рік тому
"Suffering can help you, to make you clear, to make you sober, as long as you do not condemn yourself and others. Instead of trying to escape suffering, you begin to look at it, question it. It is indicative of something more important that is happening in your life, and something that is not happening in your life. Face this. Look at it as objectively as you can. Look at your past, your recent history, your history of relationships, your history of work, your history of engagement with others. Is there a deeper thread within you, a deeper feeling? If you are willing to look at these things in the way We are describing, you can have a greater experience of what We speak of here today-a deep sobriety, a deep clarity. You may experience this for moments here and there. Perhaps you will look at people who are acting like they are happy and you see they are not really happy. You are looking at people who are affluent but really live like they are living in poverty. You look at beautiful places as places that trap people, who go live there at great expense only to be unfulfilled there as well. You begin to look at things not negatively, but clearly, in light of whether they are really real and really true. Here there is no running away into romance, or running away into living in a beautiful place, no running away into art and culture and politics because running away is only using up your precious time. And time is your problem. You do not have a lot of it. And how it is used or not used makes all the difference. There is only Knowledge and the need for Knowledge at this level of understanding. There is only real honesty and compassion, or there is pretense at various levels." A quote from *What Really Matters* - a teaching from 'The New Message from God' - a set of teachings given now as a warning, a blessing and a preparation for the difficult future ahead.
@mb8kr Рік тому
Sir, you summed it up very well, i really appreciate your teaching. Thanks a lot for this piece of wisdom.
@oneworldonehome Рік тому
@@mb8kr This is just a drop in the ocean of wisdom from *The New Message from God* as received by Marshall Vian Summers. Definitely not my words, I highly recommend checking out its teachings.
@johnchapman5125 Рік тому
Thank you, Ivan.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@mk8829 Рік тому
I definitely agree with what he says. However, there is one painful experience I endured, which was a degree I pursued with a 98% dropout rate. I managed to succeed after many years and got certified, and it was built up to me as being meaningful by other people in this field. I never found it meaningful. I still do it to this day, but only for the money. I'm trying to get out of it.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
@@warrenbradford2597 wrong address
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
@@warrenbradford2597 wrong address
@warrenbradford2597 Рік тому
@@jeffforsythe9514 What are you saying and what do you mean by wrong address?
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
@@warrenbradford2597 You must have sent a comment to me responding to another persons comment, check your comments.
@zensvlognotapro 11 місяців тому
Me the more that I'm in pain the more that I'm inspired to do the things I want and that's thing is have a better life , to thrive.
@itsallgood7179 Рік тому
The challenge is not in the suffering, the challenge for me is not getting what you worked hard for after suffering. How do you deal with having constant failures in your life especially when you can't afford to fail?
@GuideGame1 Рік тому
Accept failure is affordable, but only when you try again.
@emmanuelweinman9673 Рік тому
You learn, you grow, and eventually succeed. Pain and suffering are not the same. It’s your choice to suffer your pain or let your pain transform you.
@princeamu Рік тому
I don’t know I’m trying to find the same answer to your question. Most people only have some damn quote but not real experience . it’s draining and the emotional toll is something most people don’t get. My only suggestion from experience is keep going. Find a way to keep going. The failure can hurt but you have to find a way to endure the pain emotionally and that’s hard. The only real failure I guess is stopping.
@princeamu Рік тому
@@emmanuelweinman9673 that’s so easy to say that we choose pain. People go through real life shit and I don’t think the pain was their choice.
@emmanuelweinman9673 Рік тому
@@princeamu read my comment more carefully. I said it’s our choice to Suffer our pain. I never said we have a choice on receiving pain.
@ron3252 Рік тому
Suffering is not the source of meaning nor happinnes. We don't need pain nor suffering to feel happy. Suffering would be meaningful only if we have already succeeded. Namely, Once Sucsses Is Achived the suffering is RETROSPECRIVLY classified as meaningful. On The Contrary, if the suffering has not yielded an achievement, then only bare Suffering is all that is left - meaningles Suffering. Anyways, the meaning (or meaninglessness) is attached retrospectively and only if an achievement was reached (or not).
@Thatoneguy-mh4bx Рік тому
But pure achievement cannot exist without suffering. An achievement, by definition, requires that you accomplish, complete, or gain something that you lacked before. When you lack the thing you desire, you suffer, so that gives you the motivation to act to change your condition. And when you finally achieve it, you feel happy for having overcome the odds. Pure pleasure and happiness might feel really good at first, but it’s gets extremely dull and boring after a while. It stops being a big deal, since you can have it any time, in any way you want.
@ralpharances Рік тому
@@Thatoneguy-mh4bx But it does not automatically mean when there is this so-called "success" the people who have attained it have suffered. There are many factors playing. Some people achieved a certain award, position, or power without having to suffer but have achieved it through dishonesty, nepotism, or sheer dumb luck.
@renegadesofanarchy289 Рік тому
@@Thatoneguy-mh4bx”pure pleasure” doesn’t get boring, what happens is that you get less and less pleasure out of the thing that you think is creating that pleasure (e.g music, food, sex etc) when in actuality, your brain is what creates pleasure and it stops producing it to get you to do something else. Evolution created the hedonic treadmill as an anti wireheading system to stop you getting stuck and a loop and then killed.
@TheReddances Рік тому
When I was a freelance artist, I moved to other countries desperately trying to find more work. FROM those countries moved some that I met, in order to make it harder for themselves. "It's too easy to work here" is what they said! I am still shaking my head...Yep. "chosen" suffering..!
@jeffforsythe9514 9 місяців тому
There are plenty of fools in this world. There is a great teaching called Falun Dafa that can explain most of life's mysteries for you................Falun Dafa
@ummmmmmmmm200 Рік тому
needed this
@billihawk368 Рік тому
Im gonna go back to my country bc sufferins due to racism and lack of job opportunities due to racism. I think theres a limit to wanting to suffer senseless for a lifetime.
@chenath9582 Рік тому
yea, well racism is not exactly the suffering he was talking about.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Do not seek suffering, seek the Divine. To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@ericsierra-franco7802 Рік тому
It's only senseless if you perceive it that way. Others find meaning in suffering.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
@@ericsierra-franco7802 No amount of suffering goes unrewarded.
@gunjitsquad Рік тому
I made my life hell by choosing "Suffering" everytime in my decisions. It's better to not choose "Suffering" and be bored in life.
@zen2dna Рік тому
Choose suffering towards your vision and goal for happiness in your life, while feeling inner peace during the path.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@shamusson Рік тому
Boredom is a greater hell, trust me.
@elpeluca7780 Рік тому
@@shamusson if you're small and close minded, yes
@shamusson Рік тому
@@elpeluca7780 Exactly the opposite, struggle is key to keeping life interesting, if you never leave the comfort zone your life will amount to pretty much nothing. That I can guarantee.
@shivbhaktsanatani23 7 місяців тому
I have suffered continous health problems this unchosen suffering has worsened life.
@erezsilis 2 місяці тому
Thanks!
@snakesonthismondaytofriday1750 Рік тому
No. I don't agree with this but that's me. I am in a high status high stress job and I enjoy it because I am helping people. But also because I have the power to make decisions and have autonomy. I've had other jobs where I suffered but I didn't believe in the company nor did I feel like I was developing. If I could have the same result from helping people, without the stress, i would choose that. Sometimes it's not meaningful work that makes people suffer. Sometimes its lack of support, management, and training that makes things harder. Also, my father worked his way out if poverty since he was 16. He was able to give my mother and I a great life because of it. But now that he's older and has perspective, he regrets working so hard because he wasn't around for some key moments. I have not met a single older person who said their biggest regret was that they didn't suffer enough or wanted to work more. I think the idea that suffering will equate to meaning in the long run can make people (especially employers) unempathetic to suffering. Helping others is problem solving against suffering.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Suffering is a blessing and removes black karma from our souls so that we may return home to Heaven. We fell here from Heaven. Most things here have been created by Satan so we would be tempted to stay, eventually behaving badly and fall to His Domain. That is exactly why billions of nuns and monks over the centuries separated themselves from society so that they might return to Heaven, their birthplace.....................falundafa
@snakesonthismondaytofriday1750 Рік тому
@@jeffforsythe9514 are you a worshipper of Li Hongzhi?
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
@@snakesonthismondaytofriday1750 I am His disciple, I worship no one.
@snakesonthismondaytofriday1750 Рік тому
@@jeffforsythe9514 how much money have you given to FLG since joining their ranks? Just curious
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
@@snakesonthismondaytofriday1750 No money, our teacher jokes and says He could ask us all for one dollar and He would then have one hundred million but He is here to save us............falun dafa
@magichobbiest3425 Рік тому
"There's more love in suffering then there is in pleasure" Me
@SmithWhite-pf9kq Рік тому
Pleasure doesn't teach much. Everything's to be gained from suffering
@elpeluca7780 Рік тому
That's idiotic. You're basically saying that there's more love in a guy beating her girlfriend than in two ppl enjoying a nice evening at the beach.
@magichobbiest3425 Рік тому
@@elpeluca7780 yes because if her friends and family cares and loves her then they'll be focused solely on helping her and caring for her to get her out of the relationship. If she wasn't in the abusive relationship I dont think they'd care as much. someone's injured or sick and someone's not,who are you going to care for more? Hope you'd care for the injured or sick person more. I'm not saying that having a pleasurable night together isn't filled with love. I'm saying we tend to care or love more when something bad is happening to someone than if it wasn't.
@zenon3021 9 місяців тому
u should give me all your money, that way I'll be happier and you can suffer more (which is pleasurable to you). It's a win-win. I accept cash/cheque/EMT
@oswaldcobblepot502 9 місяців тому
Tell that to Job.
@carpo719 Рік тому
Excellent advice
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@adityavernekar2627 Рік тому
Wonderfully explained 👏👏💯🏅
@chrisbvibn4983 Рік тому
to create the reality you want depends on your willingness to experience it’s opposite
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Not exactly, your destiny has already been written before your birth. Ther are two ways to change it, take up an evil way or take up a spiritual practice.
@jasonchiu272 Рік тому
I'm sure long term boredom is worse than both suffering and pleasure because while suffering and pleasure can change you either in a positive or negative way, boredom gives you nothing, and that's the worst thing you can get.
@jeffforsythe9514 9 місяців тому
What we call boredom is actually suffering because the mind begins to look inside. And attaining wisdom hurts, always...............Falun Dafa
@isaac3252 Рік тому
Really struggling a lot with suicidal thoughts, anxiety and depression lately. I can't talk to anyone about in real life, so I'm just talking about it in the comments instead. For the algorithm. I hate myself.
@yassinesd1107 10 місяців тому
Suffering is what make the results important
@DeAguaMusic Рік тому
"It is purpose that created us, purpose that connects us, purpose that pulls us, that guides us, that drives us, it is purpose that defines, purpose that binds us." Agent Smith.
@joehernandez3822 Рік тому
MATRIX RELOADED 2
@MrCmon113 Рік тому
No, purpose is just a heuristic to understand complex systems.
@kir4n Рік тому
I've always thought about this: If people are born to experience life and perhaps, experience more joy but inevitably there will be the darker side, i.e., the sadness, loss, etc which are unchosen suffering but what if a person never overcomes chosen suffering? You mentioned how we feel good after overcoming a particular chosen suffering but what if a person never goes beyond it and is stuck there?
@tnt01 Рік тому
happens all the time. sometimes people see no way out, which leads to suicide.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
If we had no black karma we would be in Heaven, suffering removes that karma. Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
We learn much more when we lose, not when we win. Life is supposed to be a search for the Divine, Falun Dafa
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
If we do not find a great spiritual practice nature will give us all the suffering that we deserve. But following a spiritual practice is at the top of the list, Falun Dafa.
@jeffforsythe9514 Рік тому
Suffering is a gift from Heaven but instead we have all become fun seekers. We fell here from Heaven. Most things here have been created by Satan so we would be tempted to stay, eventually behaving badly and fall to His Domain. That is exactly why billions of nuns and monks over the centuries separated themselves from society so that they might return to Heaven, their birthplace.....................falundafa
@jamesrisse2173 11 місяців тому
There are two constants in life - desire and suffering. - Buddha
@DeliveranceIsReal 3 місяці тому
For ten years, I suffered from chronic Lyme disease, arthritis, gallbladder issues and constant chronic pain. The doctors said I would not recover. I was in agony daily, and I watched others die around me with late stage diseases. Prayer healed me when medicine failed me. God fully healed my disease. When Jesus found me I got baptized and started following the bible. God gave me a new family. My life is full of meaning. My heart is full of gratitude. I want to love others and share his work. You are unique to God and you are special to Him. Today I am free from disease! Don't listen to the people who hate and talk negatively. God is kind, patient and he loves you with an everlasting love. Seek the Lord while he may be found (Isaiah 55:6-9) Psalm 41:3 “The Lord sustains them on their sickbed and restores them from their bed of illness.” Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
@1EQUALS-INFINITY Рік тому
There are limits to suffering. Also eating spicy food and exercising I do not think of them as suffering. They both bring me joy and peace.
@BrothaNeo Рік тому
This is true from a human ONLY perspective. Agent Smith from the 1st Matrix movie said the same thing. "Humans define their life by suffering". Something of that nature he said. However, coming from an expanded spiritual perspective, Oneness, peace, abundance, and prosperity is the true way of existance. All of that suffering many times can be a huge distraction from true spiritual enlightenment if a person doesn't have the appropriate mindset on how to deal with the suffering and overcome it.
@iAkOu1 Рік тому
"What do you do from morning to night? I endure myself." - Emil Cioran
@fgo9757 4 місяці тому
You are great person
@TheSaneMongrels Рік тому
Or it's just cognitive dissonance lol ➜ "I had to work really hard/suffer for this, so it must be good/worthwhile... otherwise the suffering I endured was just meaningless/groundless and that's not acceptable"
@renegadesofanarchy289 Рік тому
Saying that suffering makes us appreciate happiness is very post hoc.
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