Well... You did get Man of Steel completely wrong. (Don't worry most people do) That film is based upon Plato's Republic. If you doubt this. Look at teenage Clark Kent. HE HOLDS UP A COPY OF FUCKING PLATO'S REPUBLIC TO THE GODDAMNED CAMEREA.... At any rate.... 🤔 How do I say this? You WILL NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT MAN OF STEEL UNLESS YOU READ THE DAMNED BOOK ITS BASED OFF OF.... JFC! The military is literally going BY the call sign GAURDIAN. THE FUCKING CODEX IS THE NOBLE LIE. THE HIGH COUNCIL IS THE GOLD PHILOSOPHER QUEEN KING CLASS. GENERAL ZOD IS THE FUCKING SILVER AUXILIARY CLASS. SUPER MAN IS THE "EVERYBODY FUCKING ELSE" BRONZE- MAN OF STEEL CLASS- BUT NOW THAT HE'S BEEN MELDED WITH THE FUCKING CODEX HE IS THE MAN OF STEEL. JOR AND LAURA EL WANTED THIER SON TO BE FRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSEEEE WHAT HEEEEE WANTED OR BE PREDETERMINED TO BE A 1. LEADER 2. WARRIOR 3. WORKER 123 GOLD SILVER BRONZE AS ACCRORDING TO THE NOBLE LIE OF THE MYTH OF THE METALS IN PLATOS REPUBLIC REPUBLIC WHICH IS FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING REAPETED IN THE FUCKING MOVIE. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ARE YOU GOING TO PAY ATTENTION? LIIIIIIKE EVVVVVVERYONE ELSE DID? NOOOOO OF COURSE NOT.

Good YOU SUCK

At any rate. Sorry you got censored. Personally I'd take down the video, if I found how profoundly bad it was. Because in the end? In a messed up sort of way? They were doing you a favor.... 🤔 But time will tell. When in 20 years you look back on this video... Yikes!... But hey that's how life goes. It's a never ending learning process and we all have challenges to face to when it comes to our personal "understanding" of such topics. GL

AHHHHHHH I see why YT unblocked the video. Non YT subscribers have to watch 16 SIXTEEN ad breaks!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You GOT PLAYED!!! WOOOOOW!!! Lol!... HAHAHA Cause their gonna use this video and counter it with something else in the algorithm!!! Oh my god. I'd take it down. Before you can't. No one lives forever. But this horrible video attacking Zach Snyder as a person. WILL 😈

BTW Plato was ENSLAVED and USED HIS PHILOSOPHY TO WIN HIS FREEDOM BACK. So get **** Lady 9:19

Nah, overweight means you are killed off in the background (while eating something highly caloric, obviously), lobotomizing would mean close attention.

@@SarahAndreaRoycesChannel ugh you're so right

⭐ times when I feel like liking a comment isn't enough, heckin' heck. This makes me feel an entire video essay worth of feelings, on its own, every time I see it.

You'd be deadnamed just before you die too.

“You idiots, you got their stunt doubles!”

We'll get the gruff, aggressive character self righteously proving he is The Best Ally all while deadnaming you.The only reason he does this is because proved you are worthy of respect because you committed a violence that "had to be done".

You'd just be a zombie.

@@TheNumnutRandomness I can just see it now, "You don't need to hide behind Jane... you are a strong individual, like the biblical Jacob you were named after. Where that name with pride ma'am..."

Lmaooo this is funny

Yay. How would you know about Snyder's Superman if you already dead. LOL.

Along with... "Oh look, a Republican!"

@@thenaiam I thought it was poor joke, but then I remembered "Oh, right, there was some moron shitting on Smashes The Klan comic adaptation." and I laughed hard.

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You'd be that autistic girl in the Telltale Walking Dead game who *seems* like she's going to matter but then dies almost without comment, even from her own father, because the writers decided that she was too annoying and usless to survive.

Painful, but true.

@@veronicamcghie5238 I immediately thought of that exact moment. You know the best (actually worst) part? It is COMPLETELY unavoidable. She is SCRIPTED to die in that one scene no matter what... there are no words to describe the primal fuming rage I felt at that moment.

If you want a real bad time do a search for "telltale walking dead sarah death" and read through some reddit threads. Lot of #gamers out there extremely excited to have Sarah die because "she's a liability"

Zack Snyder's got dyslexia. His films don't abide to "normal" logic. He's not a randian fascist, anti-LGBTQ+ capitalist. His logic and connections to ideas are unique. His films are about the nature of stories themselves. The films that Maggie's talking about are the stories inside Zack's metanarrative. His films are streets ahead. He makes films inside films inside films. Maggie's treating his films as if he's not doing that and what he's showing is true. Also, many people, including me, think that Snyder's Superman symbolised autism acceptance and personal growth. Snyder never treats Clark badly for his autism like the creators do to Sheldon in TBBT. Instead, Snyder creates a good representation of it through Superman in the DCEU (like Abed in Community).

The one thing I will say is leftist ideology concerns the majority, and right wing ideology ostensibly concerns the individual, in this way we might see how the conservative convinces themselves a singularly conservative perspective is the opinion of a lone individual, where the leftist ideology is one of a nebulous collective. Most of us can only go so far in our tolerance for focus tested commercial art, anyway. So as hypocritical as their stance is, it may be different enough in their mind to justify itself.

Translation: Stop interrupting my blissful ignorance with your struggle for basic equality! Acknowledging the very real issues that you or others have to contend with on a daily basis makes me feel uncomfortable and prevents me from living in my Leave it to Beaver-esque fantasy world where everybody everywhere lives as pleasantly and peacefully as a white middle class mid-1950s suburban nuclear family! Also, white privilege doesnt exist! I dont have any special privileges just because I'm white! >proceeds to continue pretending that systemic racism isnt real & doesnt exist because does not have to deal with it personally & is not confronted by it in everyday life on a regular basis and therefore has the privilege to live life pretending that such things do not exist

​@@futurestoryteller On the other hand, modern conservatism has seemingly become (or simply absorbed) populism in nature, which seems to appeal to the "hidden majority" that progressive ideals "leaves behind". When in reality, left wing ideology often attempts to give a voice to the legitimately oppressed and discluded, so it feels more "individualist" in that sense than modern conservatism does. (I'm not trying to disprove your point, but just add to it and show that there's this weird paradox at the heart of modern politics since conservatism seems to have completely changed what it used to stand for)

@@shmunkyman33 You didn't really explain how progressivism is individualist, you explained how it's superficially similar to modern conservatism in a way that deals more with the collective than the individual. You should make more the point about LGBTQ rights. The trans bathroom debate is a debate about individual freedom. So is the fight to be a trans person without being accosted in the first place, or to sleep with whoever you want etc. Conservative heads would explode if you point out that the party of diversity is _obviously_ the party of individuality.

Reminds me of a point made by Accented Cinema about the last Ip Man movie : for the racist villain their is a us and a them. And any ground gain by them is ground lost by us. As is cohabitation was simply impossible.

Or a lyric in Hamilton, "Dying is easy, living is harder"

Putting aside how monarchs are inherently problematic, Zach Snyder doesn't fit either of those descriptions.

I got into an argument with a Snyder-fan, when I compared StarWarsTheory's giving carte Blanche for his fans to harass his critics to Snyder's complete refusal to do anything about his own fans going after James Gunn. I apparently was wrong because Snyder had called out the fandom menace. I replied that doesn't really mean anything, because the fandom menace is just a bunch anti-fans and shooting them down is a no-brainer, we're talking about actual fans of a work, not people who make hating something their personality. Then I linked a thread of snyder-fans defending his work, told him to count how many are defending his graphic description of sexual violence as art, while at same time hammering the point that James Gunn is a pedo over tweets and to report back to me. I got blocked 😂 so I guess there were a lot of them.

Snyder has gay actors in his movies ...And he supports BLM...

@@dignerds He's still a Libertarian, though

@@oyinkansolaadebajo9716 why?

@@dignerds he also has someone who supports the genocide of Palestinians, so don't try to play that card

@Jakeyjakey I mean I have criticisms of the MCU, but that's because as an avid fan of it, you have to be willing to criticize any art form out there, no matter how good it bad it is. And yeah, making an entire personality around these fan bases is exhausting, I don't understand how most do it

...yet another proof that Zack Snyder didn't understand Watchmen. And people wonder why Alan Moore doesn't like when Hollywood makes movies out of his comics.

@@madmaxandrade Or maybe he did understand it and got butthurt by it, so he went to making the movie like "I'll show you, Alan Moore 😤"

@Freeze Peach It's a good thing you're an authority on the subject, as proven by your lengthy rebuttal.

@Freeze Peach He obviously didn't given how his adaptation embodies everything Moore hates and was critiquing with Watchmen.

I'm Asexual, Aromantic and Agender, it's not even that I'm already dead in the Snyderverse, it's that I wasn't even born.

well ,make a movie that you exist in

@@ArturGlass.C yoooooo same hat!! time to liven't!

To be fair, you don't exist in any movies.

Did you just assume the sexual orientation of all those people crushed by concrete. Wow. It probably is a safe assumption, Snyder doesn't seem conscious of representation at all.

Kevin Feige said he likes Friday the 13th movies and those are all sex and violence ... Snyder is obsessed with Joseph Campbell and the heroes journey and that's what he applied to his dc movies... For a good example of a violent Superman, just go read the violent social justice vigilante golden age Superman

@@dignerds Kevin Feige let's other people write and produce, and however much control he does or doesn't exert over a given film, that influence doesn't subsume his work. And yeah, Superman stopping bad guys will always involve at least some violence. Snyder's Superman is excessive, shows little concern for the average people he's supposed to be protecting (which plays into Snyder's political beliefs, hence all the Ayn Rand imagery), and, unlike Golden Age New Deal, doesn't do so for a cause that uplifts the down trodden.

@@earth_5496 His Superman isnt excessive at all .. What you are realizing as excessive is realism..Real stakes..real mistakes..Real consequences....Snyder's Superman is altruistic and shows concern for not only people, but people who passionately hate him in a divided world..He sacrifices himself for them as well... A lot of movies have political views on them and they always will..That's part of art.. Snyder has a composite of influences not just Ayn Rand...Joseph Campbell is the largest influence on his movies and obsessively talks about that..Yet you haters blatantly ignore it because it doesn't suit you points. When other directors came on board for the DCEU , Snyder supported every one of their creative visions. The golden age Superman was an overractionary thug...It doesn't help the down trodden to take a plane with a bad guy pilot and smash it nose 1st into the ground..Or wrap iron guns around the necks of people and throw them out a 3rd floor window...He joyfully killed average bad guys instead of ruffing them up then turning them over to the authorities ... He was an over violet social justice vigilante who murdered in an individual basis all the time..Worse than anything Snyder did.

@@earth_5496 Snyder's Superman was selfless every step of the way through both MOS and BVS ... For a director with such terrible right wing ideology , a lot of gay people and Muslims like working with him. Also..Snyder and his wife both publicaly supported Black Lives Matter...That's not exactly something the right wing is jumping at to support ....

@@earth_5496 In man of steel it's a new Superman fighting an ENTIRE army of equal powered beings AND a world engine...So ya, he kinda has to be very aggressive ..and it's not like Zod and Faora will say "Hey go ahead and save people we will wait." He spent years travelling place to place, Job to job, situation to situation saving individual people ...Getting to know humanity and himself...And what do Snyder haters usually say about all that? They defend the poor Trucker who In fact was a violent sexual aggressor... The left hates Snyder because his movies show sexual predators, rapists and pedophiles get what they deserve ... I'm a 51 year old gay man who leans left on most issues and I adore Snyder and his movies... His Ayn Rand admiration has to do with freedom of art....And when he does Fountainhead, he will likely piss off avid followers of Ayn Rand because he shakes things up in his movies to get people talking and he said he wants people to take his movies however they see fit...

Are you sure he's not making a statement about how society perceives women?

@@jyotektosgaimur I know a lot of people were upset that he infantilized and sexualized women, putting them in sexually provocative outfits. Some people made the case (including Snyder) that the sexualization is at least partially satirical. I noted however that this would be more convincing to me if the women had more personality, and visually if they were increasingly less objectified as the movie progressed, forcing the audience to confront them as people, and not as "action dolls." But you can weaponize anything. Perhaps if that were done people would argue that the film was suggesting that women have no humanity unless they cover up. Snyder himself called the film "fetishization" so if it's satire it would also be self-critique, and he does not appear to be a particularly self-aware person.

@@futurestoryteller how do you know he's not self aware? Almost all of his films are super meta. The film in question deals with the nature of stories. It builds on from 300, which is about how humanity looks up to archetypes and simple ideologies for inspiration but in turn lose their sense of self. Watchmen is about lifting the wool off our eyes to see the corruption of these heroes we once cherished. LotG also delves into this idea by saying how stories are twisted and makes us alienate each other. SP is about letting go of stories, seeing them as a mental prison. Baby Doll is the amalgamation of Sweat Peas imagination as she's stuck in the stories, they're constricting her from becoming who she is. When she lets go of Baby Doll, she escaped and learnt to embrace reality, she chooses to become who she truly is, not what everyone wanted to be. When I refer to the idea of stories, I include beliefs and myths as a part of it. He's saying why stories are extensions of our own narcissism and are regressive. We should let them go. I believe that Snyder was going to turn it around or build on it with his DCEU, but studio meddling and capitalism prohibited it from coming to fruition.

@@jyotektosgaimur Takes an awful lot of logical leaps to get to your perspective.

@@futurestoryteller isn't that a good thing? 😂

I'm French and I'd be happy to to share that death with you. And since it's the Snyderverse I'd probably be cutting dry sausage or something.

As a Finn, I'd be nursing a beer, and upon seeing the rushing explosion, I'd say something profound like "Fucking Mondays" or "Barkeep, gimme something stronger. Looks like I won't have to wake up for work tomorrow."

As a Brazilian... I think crushed by the debris of Christ the Redeemer, I think my face wouldn't even appear in the film.

I'm Canadian, so my death would almost certainly happen offscreen and only be mentioned in aggregate via a TV news montage establishing how bad things are.

I'm Australian (puts down Australian lager, steals some Irish whiskey!)

I dont think Snyder can be compared to modernism novels (I think that's what you're referring to here?). Ulysses may have a ting of determinism and pointlessness to it, but it at least still affirms humanity.

@@coletonparks8324 I was thinking more postmodernist, actually. Your Thomas Pynchons of the world. The modernists were miserable, but at least there were things they cared about.

::flashbacks to Hemmingway-heavy AP English::

I’m a bit late to the party, but every time I see Zach Snyder irl he looks… dead inside. The way he talks just fits his cynical worldview so well.

Hasan Piker said Snyder is probably just bi so it's presumably why he doesn't subscribe to typical "straight" masculinity and also why he's so attached to comic books and the myths that inspired them, since those things always have some queerness to them.

Yeah, I always found it weird that Dick was the one who died. What is with these Batman directors and not wanting to have anything to do with Robin? He's such a cool character! I mean, I might be biased just cuz he's literally DC's Spider-man (or, one of them, at least) but still!

​@@th3rasave Yeah I totally agree

@@th3rasave it’s also such a fundamental misunderstanding of Batman’s character to not want to include Dick Grayson. Bruce’s greatest act of heroism (or at least most personal one) is taking in a child who faced a similar tragedy in the hopes that he can steer him away from the self destructive and lonely path of being Batman.

@Jakeyjakey yeah I’m really looking forward to watching it tbh! I was a pretty big fan of Man of Steel and BvS. I think they’re definitely flawed films but I enjoy them for a bunch of reasons. I’ve never seen anything else by Snyder either.

I’d also like to add that for the Snyder movies it does serve as a somewhat realistic reason as to why Batfleck is so brutal. Losing Dick to his crusade is one of the few things I could see pushing Bruce over the abyss. He almost went there when joker killed Jason, again when he paralyzed Babs-if anything happened to Dick. . . I don’t like it, but I can see it.

I'm an Englishman so my death would be on screen and humourous in a way that the audience would be glad that the annoying English guy was finally gone.

We can be in a newsreel, depicting destruction of very recognizable monuments around the world. Because monuments are more important. (Insert how rich quickly gathered bajillion moneys for a burnt Notre-Dame de Paris, but can’t help poor people, here.)

Look, as an American, I want to assure you that this isn't true. Most Americans would also die offscreen and unnoticed, since America is almost entirely made of specific cities on the east and west coast, with some vague farmland stuff in between. We're not even all that great at seeing each other as people, sadly.

@@dustind4694 Yeah, but Clark Kent was from Kansas, the middlest of the states, and Snyder made a couple of movies about him.

@@alsorew yeah he got them sooo right too showing smalltown smallville and their IHOP

@Freeze Peach So you don't see a parallel in mostly male protagonists with superiority complexes who refuse to acknowledge that all of their wealth and power are derived from other people's actions on their behalf (performed under threat of starvation or homelessness: ie, violence) and instead claim that exploitation as a personal right that they are entitled to receive the benefits of (typically out of elevating the virtue of "enlightened self-interest": ie, being an ungrateful arsehole with no sense of social responsibility or fairness), and about whom whole books are written to allow them to excessively monologue the virtues of their brooding selfish behaviour typically while attempting to reject (or exploit) all plot development and who don't really change at all over the course of the story, to the detriment of most everyone else in the setting except their close friends?

"Make everyone around Batman as dark and brooding as he is even if it doesn't fit their characters" was apparently Snyder's plan for the DCEU. According to him despite all the other versions of Wonder Woman advocating for peace the costume of the DCEU version of her is supposedly covered in the blood of her enemies.

​@@Xehanort10 In the case of Superman, Snyder is actually taking a pre-existing storyline from comics (after Crisis on Infinite Earth - reference: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Zod#Modern_Age ) where main universe Superman *did* kill pocket universe versions of Zodd, Quex-Ul and Zaora, and in a more screwed up way (slowly killed them with kryptonite after taking their powers from them) for possibly worse reasons (they'd already killed everyone but even though he'd taken their powers they apparently still might have come after him, so they had to die? also he was following through on a death sentence placed on them by Krypton that wasn't carried out... which is a convenient way to offload personal responsibility). In that storyline, the experience of doing that so affected Superman that he swore never to kill ever again. Snyder fixes a lot of what was nonsense about that plotline by making there be actual stakes and allowing Superman to act *before* everyone dies and also removing the convenient appeal to Kryptonian authority to sidestep Superman's own responsibility in killing Zodd... but then removed Superman's "I don't want to do that again" moment and also places it in a much crappier overall plot framing. Personally I find that a bit frustrating because Maggie's right that Snyder can't allow characters to actually improve, even in the instances when he clears out the BS excuses for crappy behaviour from previous versions of the same story. He takes what ought to be a "I couldn't see another option then but I want to make sure there will be other options in the future" story and turns it into a "I couldn't see another option because there isn't one and that's how it is" story.

@Freeze Peach yes, it is. Have ya actually read any of her shit?

CJ from Dawn of the Dead - Learns the lesson of trusting others. Sacrificed himself to save Ana and the other to get to the Yacht. King Leonidas of 300 - Learns the lesson of not giving up against all odds. Died heroic death along with his men that turned the tide of war with the Persian Empire. Bruce Wayne in BvS - Learns to trust Superman as he realize he's much like a human too (Martha scene), which in turn causes him to regain his morality. Yet you thought they didn't learn and grow at the end their movies? Are you sure about that? And most of his characters are even 1:1 faithful copies of their comics counterpart (300, Watchmen, Man of Steel).

Same, and I'm even dark-skinned, so it counts even more so.

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Ya man, we’re both fucked.

The Snyderian hero is a whole 'nother essay. One that I really, really want Maggie to cover now.

as a straight white guy, my plan is to STAB SUPERMAN IN THE EYE WITH A SCREWDRIVER. (I brought a second one in case I have to stab Batman in the eye.)

(And they got a LOT more docile after that!)

White cis male atheist lefty… One falling building for me, please!

@@alsorew Same but I think I'd be the guy who sees it happening and then falls down a flight of stairs. I'm a nerdy guy with glasses so that means extra comedy and humiliation in my end.

As a cis woman of color who isn't hot enough for a lobotomy rape, I'd probably be failed by an angsty god-like creature who couldn't be bothered to save me from a disaster he'd caused in the first place. However, as an empathetic person on the far left and a sexual deviant from the conservative standpoint, I'd be abandoned to be violently torn apart by symbolism :(

Mixed, trans, gay, lefty, American, atheist: I'd get two lines as I fetched coffee or papers for another character (they could point at me and claim diversity!) but then the wall I'm standing next to explodes so the conservative republican black guy I work for can get a close-up looking shook before the villain steps in through the hole in the wall and demands to speak to Earth's president.

Penny Gadget not gonna lie, this sounds too intentionally comedic to be in a Snyder movie, but damn, what a way to go

It's not satire, it's commentary. You can tell through the distorted images, which represents that this isn't true but it's in our imagination. The opening sequence in DotD is showing what Bush society thinks happened, as they fear what they don't understand. He's not saying that Muslims could start a zombie apocalypse but he's saying that they would most likely be the scapegoat and religion is what everyone would turn to, because it comforts us and makes us feel safe but is ultimately consuming us at the same time.

@@jyotektosgaimur Very good. Have a cookie 💓💕🍪

@PhD Wumbologist You really be jumping through hoops to stan for Snyder in these comments huh?

@@diamond_dogs That's quite hypocritical coming from you

​@@diamond_dogs I mean its easy to mock and missrepresent stuff. (maggie is the proof of that) but refuting even the most dumb argument requires some more though behind. .. which would make anyone seem like a "stan" or "fan" of the topic.

Oh so SUDDENLY everyone who has nationalist and racist beliefs about who is and is not a real member of the GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH is a Nazi now?! So much for the tolerant left, I say! /s

Man, I don't think those blokes made it to part 2 of a multi-part series talking shit about Zach Snyder.

@kevin willems Like, I figured it was being obvious enough but people are fucking crazy these days.

@@z.adkins862 Good ol' Poe's Law nearly strike again!

That was the moment I slammed the Like button.

LOL of course a white bi guy would like Snyder. White bi guys are the Leo pointing meme everytime they see Snyder.

DAMMIT, I QUOTED UR-FASCISM TOO I THOUGHT I WAS BEING ORIGINAL SDJHDJSNSJDAKSJSK

I came to the comments to discuss exactly this but I'm already ded

Pretty apt comment as Trump pushes children to attend schools and be willing to kill themselves and their parents - for the cause.

@@kal-elofkrypton252 Did ya...did ya watch the video?

@@kal-elofkrypton252 Yup. 27:09

Every 60 minutes an hour goes by. That's the type of dialogue you'd find in a Zack Snyder film.

Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; And what falls...is fallen.

Someone hasn't watched enough JoJo.

people die when they are killed

This comment is a sign of ignorance or intolerance

I was surprised the video didn't touch on the end credits scenes that tell us that all the survivors just end up being swarmed by zombies when they actually find an island. It really ties into the mindset in a way I never considered before this video.

Look in the sky! It's a thing! It's another thing! It's gEnErIc MaN

I always hated he essentially removed my favorite character Dr Malcolm long. His journey from talking to Rorschach who drives him to see the world in a horribly depressing way which eventually inspires him to stop a couple from hurting each other. Then, because of the arrogant actions of ozymandias thousands of people are murdered to “save” humanity when those humans were representing the best of us. For me one of the unequivocal heroes of watchmen was Malcom long.

Same tbh, I imagine if a grand piano were dangling over my head like in a cartoon, Snyder would be right there lurking in a bush, waiting patiently to take notes

Snyder doesn't believe in God . So I wonder how he would die in his own movie

33:15 "Me? I'd be ripped to death by zombies as an example of how even very hot gay women are not immune to the wrath of the Christian god." she's so good

He'd just pan the camera over.my succulent muscular body in all.ots glory before killing me. Its not gay if you kill the character you're perving at!

Same. And as a survivor of CSA, he would portray me as a child, sacrificing myself to a predator as somehow 'noble'. Or in a way that it is inevitable. He really has contempt for anyone who is not cis, white dude.

Well, George A. Romero, the godfather of the zombie genre, was a total hippie, and in his movie, Land of the Dead we see two lesbians making out, before they're immediately dispatched by a zombie hoard. This may be justified by Romero's insistence that zombies represent societal change. Saying the thing people don't get is that "the zombies are the _heroes_ of my movies!" To be one is to be equal, I suppose. When you think about it, despite their hideous appearance and insatiable lust for human flesh, the idea of a shambling person, otherwise going about their business, trying to eat, and perhaps procreate, in order to live for as long as possible... until men with guns, in military fatigues, come along and callously shoot them in the head - until or unless there are enough of them to overpower the might of the armed forces, is a pretty on the nose metaphor for "power to the people." But you can see how, when death of the author applies, it just seems like these lesbians got hate-crimed by some zombies. That's the thing that's weird about Zack Snyder to me, if he wasn't trying to adapt an Ayn Rand novel, I'm not sure people would recognize him as a conservative tool. My best guess before that was that he's kind of adolescent, and maybe not very bright.

Sure, Zombies are the unthinking masses. They don't think for themselves, they just destroy, they hate, they want to turn you into the same, brainwash you (so to speak).

So everyone else can be victims of zombies but not Lesbians? Sounds like discrimination to me

This is really amazing and I can't wait for the next installment. 👍😊

"I would be wearing the heavy makeup and false eyelashes of Babydoll and Co., but in my raddled decrepitude, I would look more like Baby Jane" You can stop typing, I can't get more turned on. Signed Zach

I'm always shocked that humanoids got EVERYTHING perfectly, precisely wrong. EX: "Death is bad and life is good!" If you're over the age of 5, you know that LIFE IS THE WORST THING EVER, and DEATH is the BEST thing ever. Life is nothing more than 100 years of INDENTURED SERVITUDE. I must eat, must eat, must eat, must poop, must trim nails, must poop, must trim nails. LIFE IS THE PRECISE OPPOSITE OF FREEDOM. DEATH...is not only ETERNAL PEACE and freedom........you humanoids are the ones who said "HEAVEN.....is our metaphor for....DYING and LEAVING THIS SHIT SOCIETY OF HUMANS WHO ARE ALL VIOLENT EVIL MONSTERS." Same with "LOVE". "LOVE IS ALL U NEED!" "LOVE IS THE ANSWER!" UM, love causes 900 trillion crimes for every ONE that meth causes.

Watch the Ultimate cut

@Erik Kemeey I'm curious what you think the significance of kid and the stall owner being all but removed from the main version of Watchmen is.

You're in one of the massive skyscrapers that goes down in major population centers that no one seems to care about. One of the faceless, nameless, voiceless victims of super-9/11.

I've already created a band called "SNYDER-DEATH" in honor of Maggie....and we already put out our first and last albums and then we broke up over creative differences! (Also the singer slept with my mom.) (Then I tried to reform the band with new members, but the old members hit me with a cease-and-desist, so that didn't pan out.) _[author blinks a new Super-Villain called "SNYDER-MAN" about a TOXIC director who makes everyone else sick with his toxicity.......dude's a TOTAL MENACE TO SOCIETY!!]_

You got me there

As for how I would die in a Snyder movie... Off screen or in a background event. Probably while trying to reason with whatever kills me for added irony points.

@Erik Kemeey Haven't seen The Snyder Cut yet. As for BvS (theatrical cut)... It had a lot of potential. I hear that it was a complete mess compared to the director's cut which I haven't seen yet. I'm willing to believe that it would make the film feel more cohesive. So I'll withhold judgment on that for now.

This clicks for me now... um. Does your therapist have any openings? :/

@@psiamnotdrunk No idea, it has been a while. Also, it would require you to move to the Netherlands, which may or may not be an obstacle for you.

@@Syurtpiutha Obstacle, sure, but I'd swim there for free healthcare. Beats drowning in the US (hope you're doing well and the therapy is sustaining you, cheers)

Watching this made me think of Land of the Dead and the line "I always wondered how the other half lives."

After that opening sequence, the remainder of Romero’s “Dawn of the Dead” is actually kind of serene. Until the bikers show up, that is. But when it’s just the three of them in the mall, it makes the zombie apocalypse look kind of nice...

Alexander Stern yeah Day of the Dead has much better pacing imo because of that.

Do we actually live in a fascist police state, or has the police been given powers that the public is considering taking away.

it's CRAZY how many movies show KKKOPS are the Bad Guys (which is absolutely true).....and yet society IGNORES THIS REALITY. (EX: in all 3 Spider-Man trilogies, there are scenes of THUG KOPS pointing their guns at Spider-Man, which would NOT be lawful IRL!) DIRTY KOPS are in half the movies ever made....so i think......ALL humans know KKKops are the #1 rapists and robbers and criminals...... but are chickenshit and don't want to think or talk about it. So nothing changes.

@Erik Kemeey it has been quite some time since i have seen it so i might have missed a few things, but i do remember being legitimately disappointed with it.

It's a pretty sickening movie for survivors. There is no healing process. Babydoll learns to embrace her trauma, but she doesn't learn how to resolve it and live the life of her choosing. Instead the resolution is that she (the protagonist, the one we most relate to) accepts that she's not one of the lucky ones. Her "freedom" is the acceptance that terrible things have happened and will continue to happen to her until her death. The entire movie builds up to normalizing suffering, and portraying death or insanity as the only escape (which, I have to mention, is an unkind and false equivalence for insane folks, but sadly a common one). Real people need to learn how to heal so that they can get on with life, but in Snyder's world, that part never happens.

I guess you could compare it to how people idolize Rorschach despite the graphic novel doing no such thing.

Objectivism aggressively rejects Christianity ...Yet Snyder's Superman is framed as Jesus ... If your ultimate personal happiness is saving people ..Then that is its own reward-

Zack Snyder motivated his fan base to raise half a million dollars for suicide prevention ..And counting..Without any reward. His Superman was a good person...

@@dignerds ... Are you okay?

@@dignerds technically snyders superman is critiquing the jesus references by arguing that this is hiw the world reacts, they use their own world view and project it onto Superman but i understand that neither Zack nor dceu Superman is objectivist.

If you actually believe that, then you don't understand Objectivism.

Was Jimmy Olsen even relevant to the story? No, so it doesn't really matter.

@@DerezzedMan Yes, that was my joke.

Wasn't there a different, female version of Jimmy Olsen in Man of Steel that they made a big deal about having (look! A girl!) who just...stops existing for the sequel?

Shooting Jimmy Olsen in such an unceremonious way kind of perfectly sums up why I don’t like those movies, outside of the awful theming. His movies seem to have a contempt for Superman, the idea that someone could just be good, someone could want to help people no matter how small the problem feels like a fantasy for him. That’s why he had to “deconstruct” Superman by making him actively worse. Superman can’t have a silly photographer boy to hang around with, that would make him seem human.

@@t-vann48 It is unrealistic for Superman to have literally a single friend.

That was something that actually stunned me about "Night of the Living Dead" when I saw the Rifftrax of it. Especially when you are conditioned to see the first to die being non-white. Also, slasher movies are really fucking conservative.

@@BrokenSaintRW Conservatism is an ideology based primarily in fear.

BrokenSaintRW: And when Ben does die in NOTLD, he’s not killed by zombies. He’s killed by humans. Specifically, the police. That final image of Ben being carried by a group of white cops after being shot is a powerful image today. Imagine how powerful it was in 1968!

i am now so excited to watch his movies!!!! finally some good fucking food!!!!!!

As a big stan of George Romero (ive seen every movies hes made, including the NON-zombie movies) I can say that he actually didnt mean for that to be as powerful as it was. He said that the actor got the role of Ben not because he was black but because he was best for the part.

Cold Crash has a video on why he owns a copy of The Fountainhead, it's conceivable, if *_highly_* unlikely that Snyder's desire to direct an adaptation of the novel is not as an endorsement of Rand's philosophy. After all Verhoeven did Starship Troopers. He seems to think his Superman movies are deconstructionist, and Sucker Punch is feminist, if he's a satirist though, he's pretty terrible at it, even when you're fully aware that satire does not _need_ to be funny. (That's a misconception some people have.)

We got a film version of "The Fountainhead" in 1949. It's great schlock, with Gary Cooper totally lost as the protagonist Howard Roark. The trailer: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/oaB7eIaWeWmapnk.html

@Freeze Peach You can do satire, too? Hilarious joke.

@Freeze Peach snyder is a 2 dimensional sociopath who worships death. his films are completely empty unless you're already drawn to his miserable nihilism.

DIdn't he also wan't to direct Atlas Shrugged too.

@CamelMan302 yeah man, isn't it insane that 300 or Superman isn't like a fucking kids animated movie? Snyder fanboys are hilarious.

There's a split between 'Jesus died so we could live in a more merciful world' and 'Jesus died to give Christians a golden ticket into Heaven because the world will always be a violent cesspool of sin.'

Nobody tell Zach Snyder about the harrowing of hell, his head would explode. (Or . . . maybe someone should?)

It's also interesting considering all the Jesus symbolism he's doing with Superman. I think it would kind of fit if there was more of the redemption stuff. Superman is supposed to be a role model teaching people how to be better, you know like Jesus. And yet, Snyder sticks to shallow symbolism while ignoring the most obvious parallel.

Well, it's a sad part of fundamentalism; it doesn't matter how much you sin in life-if you swear allegiance to the flag of Jesus you will go to heaven. Being born again simply means that dying isn't a big deal. Why should we worry about war or plague or environmental destruction or poverty? Life is temporary, people you don't like are doomed to eternal torment, and you're just biding your time until death so just have some fun with life. It's okay to be selfish; God wants it that way To say it's a perversion of Christianity is an understatement. Remember, a lot of people have the Bible in one hand and Ayn Rand's works in the other; they use their bad theology to justify bad sociology

@Hans Hanzo Funny thing is, there were medieval Christian sects (the Cathars) who believed that the holiest thing they could do was commit to voluntary extinction. But they were also anti-violence in general (no war, no capital punishment, no eating meat) so I don't think Snyder is taking his cues there.

In BVS couldn't it just be his thoughts tho? It was about unintended consequences , that is relevant to both BVS and MOS ...So I don't think it was completely unexplained ..I can see it a bit jarring tho

@@dignerds It doesn't make a lick of sense, comes out of nowhere and never gets mentioned again, it was a waste of time for everyone involved.

I think Argo was a fluke.

Nope, he's an Xer, and came of age during the "dark and gritty" period of pop culture, weaned on Frank Millar and Ayn Rand.

Ah-greed!

Of course not. We're all already dead.

Also, the delivery of that line is absolutely top notch.

DING DING DING!!! Maggie and others are giving Hack Snyder WAYYYYYY too much credit.

@F C how the hell can you consent when you are an unwilling prisoner in a mental ward, ESPECIALLY to the person who decides whether you deserve to be there or not? That power dynamic alone... Also if consent were truly so important to the story, why would the scene where it is specifically discussed be deleted?

@@csharp48 It was deleted because the MPAA decided that a female enjoying herself sexually to the point of orgasm was too racy for a PG-13 rating. Your points and Maggie's still stand though. I really connected to SP as a teenager experiencing a lot of the things the protagonists were dealing with. That powerlessness I felt made me understand intimately how Babydoll could only regain her freedom through death. BUT I haven't seen the film since I was a teenager romanticizing it. I'd like to watch it again and see if it hits differently as an adult.

Watch out. Snyder's serial killer Batman might murder you for being one letter off having the same name as his mother.

@@Xehanort10 At least I do not wear pearls so it won't be so cheesy visually :D

You're my world is the full sentence, which demostrates how Superman's altruism Is hold only by Lois Lane. Do I need to remind you of "She was my world" and "Lois is the key?" How when she dies, Superman loses every inch of hope he posses. Superman includes altruism and hope in the word, if you have to tell me that Snyder gave him those qualities, I sure know it's not true.

@kafu Kemeh She's important, she's also the wife and mother of his kid. But to think that losing Lois is enough to make Superman lose all hope is ridiculous. Superman existed before Lois Lane and could exist after her. In Snyder's adaptation, that's not possible.

The creator of the original novels was at the premiere and wrote an article praising Zack Snyder ..but Naggie Maggie won't tell you that

@@dignerds why did you reply to me? Were you so desperate to let someone hear your Naggie Maggie zinger remark, you just had to reply to someone, so why not the guy who is talking about the fucking owl movie?

@@TheCharnstar he's been all over these comments

@@trmahama6447 Seems to be an unhealthy obsession with Snyder.

I really need to know, now that the third and final installment in this series is out, what your opinion on the matter is now? Have The Owls been sufficiently discussed? Do you have notes?

The Snyder haters in this thread are so cringe and toxic

@@dignerds Stop trolling this thread. Snyder's work and ideologies are cringe and toxic.

@@mtheory-pilemon7211 says the guy watching crap like this

@@zeidxd6311 What crap? Do you mean Snyder?

@@mtheory-pilemon7211 i think opinions are subjective , if you think his movies are crap thats fine. but i defintely dont think its acceptable to go out of your way to use invalid points just to call the director islamophobic and homophobic and racist and whatever shes trying to do in this video.

Eisenberg isn't a manly person and he didn't die... Although he's now a master of self defense and can kill you with one finger so... Maybe he is now?

Same. I imagine our deaths would be comically relieving.

Seems like we can get all kinds of villains in movies with out any issue except a gay ones ...Isn't that discrimination ?

@@RockoEstalon And there's a lot of straight villains that are done The same way in regard to their orientation . But I'm talking about Snyder.. I'm a 51 year old gay man who is a big fan of Snyder's ... And gay people don't mind working with him either. Snyder gives commentary on our culture and shows the absurdity of of these things but Naggy Maggie twists things as Snyder being a homophobe or Islamophobe .

@@RockoEstalon As a gay man, I can safely say that some gay men do take crossdressing too far... Gay people have faults too... Like the half naked crossdressers and leather men that are in public gay parades that parents have their kids there with them . The gay community has work to do themselves ...

@@RockoEstalon Just saw that you called Zack a hack..And I can't engage with a toxic person like that..I can't reach that low for a conversation ... The guy made some movies you didn't like , get over yourself already ...have a great day ..

No the real Spartans were actually gay for each other and that was okay in their society. In fact they encouraged it because they believed lovers fight much harder for each other which is fucking awesome. But of course Snyder and the producers would not include that because *they are homophobic.* The only gay character in that movie is the Villian which is homophobic, because there is a historical pattern of gay people being villians in movies. Not all representation is good representation we need to raise our goddam standards.