What "Parents' Rights" REALLY Means

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Zoe Bee

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"Parents' Rights" has been a rallying cry for several political and social groups in the past few years. But what does it really mean? Let's find out.
SOURCES (chronological order):
------ Moms For Liberty Pledge: www.momsforliberty.org/pledge/
------ Red, Wine, & Blue: redwine.blue/
------ PragerU Transparency: / cw5me6sr4pr
------ "Moms for Liberty has turned 'parental rights' into a rallying cry for conservative parents" (www.washingtonpost.com/nation...)
------ "Keeping the Kids All Right" by Barak Lurie
------ "California Attorney General sues Chino Valley Unified School District over gender notification policy" (www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/ne...)
------ "To Train Up A Child" by Michael and Debbi Pearl
------ "PragerU's TERRIFYING Parenting Advice" ( • PragerU's TERRIFYING P... )
------ "Rand Paul: Parents 'own' children": thehill.com/policy/healthcare...
------ "'You DON'T Own YOUR Children,' Says School Board Member" ( • 'You DON'T Own YOUR Ch... )
------ "Annabella Rockwell: I Entered College Happy. I Left Angry." ( • Annabella Rockwell: I ... )
------ "Mount Holyoke grad deprogrammed from women-only woke culture" (nypost.com/2022/11/26/mount-h...)
------ "Tucker Carlson Laps Up Grad’s Claim of Unlearning ‘Woke-ism’ With PragerU" 9www.thedailybeast.com/fox-new...)
------ "ND Legislature votes down free school lunches" (www.kfyrtv.com/2023/03/28/nd-...)
------ "Oklahoma schools now require 'biological sex affidavit' for student athletes" (www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-p...)
------ "Missouri district brings back corporal punishment - at the urging of parents, it says" (hechingerreport.org/missouri-...)
------ "In over 15 states, schools can still paddle students as punishment" (www.washingtonpost.com/educat...)
------ Study on consequences of corporal punishment: www.sciencedirect.com/science...
------ "Why it Sucks to be Young" video ( • Why It Sucks To Be Young )
------ "Rethinking Parenting" video ( • Rethinking Parenting )
------ "Trust Kids!" (www.akpress.org/trust-kids.html)
------ Branch Out for Justice:
------------ Twitter: / branchoutglobal
------------ Instagram: / branchoutforjustice
------------ Email: branchoutforjustice@gmail.com
------ IowaWTF:
------------ Twitter: / iowa_wtf
------------ Instagram: iowawtf?hl=en
------------ Further Reading: iowastartingline.com/2023/05/...
FURTHER READING:
------ The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child: www.unicef.org/child-rights-c...
------ "Against Parental Rights" by Samantha Godwin (papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...)
------ "How to Fight the Right’s Moral Panic Over Parental Rights" by Jennifer Berkshire (www.thenation.com/article/soc...)
------ "Children Are Not Property" by Sarah Jones (nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/...)
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@zoe_bee 7 місяців тому
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@jennyanydots2389
@jennyanydots2389 7 місяців тому
Ha... I read the video's title real fast before I clicked and was expecting something titled "What Panties Rights REALLY Means". Me and my drawers were so excited, but you let us down. I still watched the video though.
@ari3lz3pp
@ari3lz3pp 7 місяців тому
Zoo Bee! 💔 Who slipped KoolAid into your mug?! I thought you were somebody who paid attention and understood how broken and corrupt the public school systems are.... Is somebody paying you a lot of money to participate in this circus? Or are you offended because you are addicted to broken ideologies? I have not heard of anybody banning books because of LGBT characters There have been LGBT characters in public school libraries for at least three generations now. At least in my state. I have not heard of anybody trying to remove those books as long as they don't contain inappropriate sexual content. The same would go for any books that contain sexual content that are heterosexual. Not to mention that these books that people are mostly fighting have graphic descriptions and sometimes illustrations of adult sexually abusing children. And what's even more terrible is that some of these books are not displaying the scientifically objective knowledge that that is wrong and unhealthy. Obviously it's maddeningly abusive. Or at least it's obvious if you don't have your head in the sand. There are scientifically backed reasons why showing a minor pornography is considered abuse. This is along those lines It's pretty clean cut. Not to mention that any parent giving taxes to the public school system has the right to have a say because they're the ones paying for it that's why it's public school and not private school. That all literally goes towards the pay of teachers and librarians and curriculum &c. Luckily we don't live in an entire dictatorship yet so this will be about having faith that the majority of parents are not completely brain dead and will not tire of this fight. Personally I do think that any parent that is paying attention and has any chance to homeschool should be doing that. The schools have been feeling on an academic level for a long time. Long before my generation and therefore long before this current generation. I have found that most times people say they cannot handle homeschooling it's not true. If a parent truly cannot downsize and afford to be home with their child themselves or to have a trusted friend or family member do it; then there are co-ops, and even Charter schools are a better alternative though most of them also promote false teachings. For example the forefathers were not Christian. Yes they promoted themselves as such in a way to market their leadership. Since the majority of citizens likely were Christians at the time or thought themselves as such. There's much more evidence of writings by the forefathers and about the forefathers That proves the opposite. Some were outright Satanist and others were simply Catholic or atheist. This is one teeny tiny example of how society is brainwashed through the public school system. But if it is a distance learning charter school then the parent has a better chance to guide their child away from misinformation. They can teach them how to think critically and how to validate sources better for themselves when they're developmentally ready to do so. Parents should also be aware of that physical abuse has not been entirely uncommon in public schools either for a very long time. Thank you for reading this, I hope you continue to read while validating your sources and thinking critically. Your brain is beautiful and meant to be used. ❤
@tonimojo5859
@tonimojo5859 7 місяців тому
Zoe you're awesome 👌
@connorhart7597
@connorhart7597 7 місяців тому
Hot take if you're a parent, that's a privilege, not a right. Every kid deserves good caring parents, not all parents deserve kids.
@maxchess6734
@maxchess6734 7 місяців тому
That's not a hot take, buddy :D
@loreyxillumina
@loreyxillumina 7 місяців тому
​@@maxchess6734apparently it is for some thick skinned "parents"
@maxchess6734
@maxchess6734 7 місяців тому
@@loreyxillumina if it is for 1% (and even for up to 30%) of parents, it is not a hot take...
@loreyxillumina
@loreyxillumina 7 місяців тому
@@maxchess6734 true that
@LifeStrike2030
@LifeStrike2030 7 місяців тому
No one has a right to kids
@DreamtaleEnjoyer
@DreamtaleEnjoyer 7 місяців тому
I always hate it when I comment on corrupt parenting on the internet, and get asked "Are you a parent?" No. I'm a kid. Still buried in the awful mistreatment YOU fight for. I know how to treat a kid because I know how I need to be treated. _Like the human being I am and always have been since the second I was born._
@WillSpencer0417
@WillSpencer0417 7 місяців тому
Yes! Preach!
@johannageisel5390
@johannageisel5390 7 місяців тому
Exactly!
@hmnhntr
@hmnhntr 7 місяців тому
I'm not a parent nor a kid. But I can still remember what it was like to be a child. Never lose that respect for yourself, it only gets more necessary as you get older
@allthekittehs
@allthekittehs 7 місяців тому
Thank you! You're so right. Some people act like no one can understand kids or parenting unless they're a parent themselves. Except ALL OF US HAVE BEEN KIDS at one point, so it's not like we have no idea how kids think or feel.
@notyetdeleted6319
@notyetdeleted6319 7 місяців тому
Have you considered that not every child needs the same thing as you? Let us take myself for an example. Have had a learning disability since birth, made it real hard for me to connect ideas and many social aspects of life. Meaning that I had issues with understanding personal boundaries and what is acceptable, essentially. At certain times I required physical punishment to learn, because I simply was *unable* to hold onto that social information without a strong other feeling. Just couldn’t do it.
@IanCunningham92
@IanCunningham92 7 місяців тому
Regardless of the intent, authoritarian parenting techniques usually end up backfiring, causing children to fear their parents and rebel against their authority.
@Cnichal
@Cnichal 7 місяців тому
Or they become mindless drones; who will go on to do the same to their children too
@scrumpledmilkskin
@scrumpledmilkskin 7 місяців тому
One hundred percent.
@dominicfucinari1942
@dominicfucinari1942 6 місяців тому
Do these parents use authoritarian methods more because the parents see the children as a tool to use towards some strange ends? Or because they never wanted a child in the first place?
@theeviloverlord7320
@theeviloverlord7320 6 місяців тому
also, if anyone disagrees this is authoritarian, moms for liberty quotes adolf hitler on their front page
@sanniepstein4835
@sanniepstein4835 6 місяців тому
@@Cnichal No the mindless drones are those sorry brats who were dumped in institutions from birth onwards and never developed a real soul.
@thegrimghoul
@thegrimghoul 7 місяців тому
I am 17 years old, and I distinctly remember getting in an argument with my conservative mother and I said “I’m a person I have rights” and she responded with “You are a child you have no rights”
@deniceeverham9467
@deniceeverham9467 7 місяців тому
So sorry
@stubbwinkley4015
@stubbwinkley4015 7 місяців тому
@@chris135x LMAO you're actually saying minors don't have rights? What a friggin massive red flag. GROOMER ALERT!
@thegrimghoul
@thegrimghoul 7 місяців тому
@@chris135x bait or mental retardation, pick.
@alexsiemers7898
@alexsiemers7898 6 місяців тому
@@chris135xjokes on you, a lot of people already never got any help from their parents to survive in the real world.
@TheProletariat321
@TheProletariat321 4 місяці тому
Your mom is correct, but its not that its a good thing. Children are legally their caregivers property, and many parents take advantage of that. My parents included, but sadly I'm 14 and I still have to wait 4 more years to finally leave
@jzmnfrnndz
@jzmnfrnndz 7 місяців тому
i never realized how controversial “kids deserve respect too” was until my mom tried telling me teenagers shouldn’t have privacy and HIPAA laws shouldn’t apply to them.
@thetangaledbug7670
@thetangaledbug7670 7 місяців тому
Just wow man. Just wow
@kenpanderz
@kenpanderz 7 місяців тому
the way the world, especially America, treats most living things needs a general shift of an entire Overton window length towards respect. we treat farm animals like objects even worse than how we treat kids, and we even treat adults like they're automatically deserving if mistreatment or manipulation for the "greater good", whatever that means in context, and only give them a thin line of plausible deniability that they might not being doing anything wrong out of personal convenience (or fear) of the logic of, "what if it were me?" but even that only gets people so far with their seemingly innate desire to see others suffer. maybe im being pessimistic, but it really seems like the average person is, atleast ignorantly, somewhat evil, or maliciously so
@EmmaHopman
@EmmaHopman 7 місяців тому
My mom argued the same thing that kids shouldn't have any bodily autonomy with the medical system.
@alexandergreuter5938
@alexandergreuter5938 7 місяців тому
Reminds me of that time my mom hung a poster with my country's childrens rights in the bathroom because "they're important" and a few months later when I called her out on something she did that violated them, she told me that they weren't enforced or something and made it clear she wasn't going to follow them because clearly she knows better.
@lexnastin9011
@lexnastin9011 7 місяців тому
@@northernguy4262 Yeah, that happens (more kids posting than parents) when a video affects them. Don't forget that kids can have opinions too on how they should be parented. Don't forget that THEY are the ones BEING PARENTED. But yeah, I agree that privacy is *mostly* a privilege that can be revoked. But in my opinion, if a child is doing something wrong on the internet for example, unless it's a life/death situation, you should get the child's permission to disrespect their privacy.
@Val-ud9fn
@Val-ud9fn 7 місяців тому
The "kids are property" opinion is definitely the mainstream one. Our whole society is structured around it
@user-th1pv6ks5o
@user-th1pv6ks5o 7 місяців тому
Well yeah, we are one of the only countries that didn't sign the Child protection world treaty.
@nate4fish
@nate4fish 7 місяців тому
Well yeah because our society doesn’t want to take care of others kids. That’s why it’s so hard to remove kids from abusive parents.
@grmpEqweer
@grmpEqweer 7 місяців тому
That's why we don't fund schools properly.
@j.c.2240
@j.c.2240 7 місяців тому
That's why CPS is so critically understaffed.
@raineredacted161
@raineredacted161 7 місяців тому
​@@user-th1pv6ks5othat seemed like more of a comment on the way we privately "raise" children instead community based child care
@Bigredhound
@Bigredhound 7 місяців тому
I’m a middle aged man now, but I was one of the lucky few kids who had those abusive, controlling parents but was able to emancipate themselves. Now I’ve got four boys and the defining feature of my parenting style is equality and respect. I’m determined to be the parent mine never were.
@Hifuutorian
@Hifuutorian 7 місяців тому
Glad to hear it man. I hope it goes well.
@elijahisconfused
@elijahisconfused 7 місяців тому
good for you! im glad your kids have a good dad that give them the respect they deserve
@SportsFan95
@SportsFan95 6 місяців тому
Preach Brother! Amen!
@henryliang8752
@henryliang8752 6 місяців тому
Much respect. Good luck to you my guy.
@Edgee_yy
@Edgee_yy 6 місяців тому
I wish you luck! You’ll be an amazing dad!
@thequantumshade1556
@thequantumshade1556 7 місяців тому
Growing up Christian, I assumed that everyone knew that most parents are insanely dedicated to the notion of controlling the children’s every thought and action.
@thehistoryandbooknerd8979
@thehistoryandbooknerd8979 7 місяців тому
As someone who also had this, it’s wrong for anyone to force their beliefs onto anyone else; this garbage needs to stop - I’m sorry you went through this too…
@petervizzini4006
@petervizzini4006 7 місяців тому
Controlling or do you really mean raising children
@awkwardukulele6077
@awkwardukulele6077 7 місяців тому
@@petervizzini4006do you really mean raising children, or do you mean controlling them. It sounds like it’s the same thing for you
@petervizzini4006
@petervizzini4006 7 місяців тому
​@@awkwardukulele6077 No parents for the most part try to raise children to the best of their abilities using experience from their past. LGBTQ wants to train them into obedient drones
@RaynaGrimm
@RaynaGrimm 7 місяців тому
@@petervizzini4006 remember Nuns used to beat the left handed kids so they would use their right hands only. its controlling disguised as parenting. after all so many of you disown your children if they decide they dont want to participate in the religion they were forced to partake in all their life once they gain ownership of themselves, or if they are still under the parents thumb they are forced to be what ever the parent believes in and do what the family does even if the kid is old enough to decide they dont want any part of it
@sushiroll3795
@sushiroll3795 7 місяців тому
Children are discriminated against in so many ways that most people never talk about. 1. Assault and battery against them is legal in many places under the guise of "corporal punishment." 2. They are legally forced to be in schools, most of which don't have proper heating/AC or provide free lunch. 3. They're able to get jobs and have their income taxed, but aren't able to vote (straight-up taxation without representation). 4. Authority figures punish them for practicing basic self-defence. 5. They're constantly used as ammunition by hateful reactionaries that actively harm them. 6. Their reports of actual abuse and mistreatment are seldom taken seriously. 7. They're treated as wrong for rebelling against their parents, even when they have perfectly good reasons for doing so. 8. They're automatically assumed to be stupid and immature in every context, just because of their age. 9. Don't even get me started on the shit people do to neurodivergent kids. And if you ever complain about any of this as a child yourself, good luck getting anyone to listen to you. Your opinion means absolutely nothing to the majority of people. It's sad.
@elizrebezilmadommdo1662
@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 7 місяців тому
I think minors (by this, I mean teens 15-17) should be able to work if they want to but not be taxed at all until they're 18. Either that, or they should be able to vote starting at 15.
@Fer-De-Lance
@Fer-De-Lance 7 місяців тому
Well said.
@dinamosflams
@dinamosflams 7 місяців тому
​​@@elizrebezilmadommdo1662there are people who earned their political rights way earlier than 18, and also there are some who are past even their 40's and shouldn't be able to participate politically. the unfortunate thing is that the latter is way easier to be applied thand the first, and for the wrong reasons. 😢
@louhortonsculpture
@louhortonsculpture 7 місяців тому
In many states in the US minors can be married with parental consent but have to right to file for divorce until age 18. Child marriage is alive and well in the US.
@kaila-denzenhughes4130
@kaila-denzenhughes4130 7 місяців тому
​@@louhortonsculpturethank the mormons!
@beatrizklotz8183
@beatrizklotz8183 7 місяців тому
I was raised with physical, verbal and emotional abuse as "discipline". My mother was big on the theory that as long as i lived under her roof i was her property, and to this day (I'm 29 and live by myself) I have recurring nightmares of living back with her. Literally my biggest adult fear is being under her fist again. One very jarring memory I have is of being 23 and asking her to knock on my door before entering, because she was walking in on my changing constantly. She turned to me and said "I'm your mother. I can se you naked whenever I want. If I tell you to strip, you strip" That was such a gross power flex, I could never forget it
@BingQilin
@BingQilin 7 місяців тому
"If I tell you to strip, you strip" That's absolutely horrendous holy crap
@thehistoryandbooknerd8979
@thehistoryandbooknerd8979 7 місяців тому
I’m so sorry… I’m happy you’re away from that horrendous monster…
@ZieWeaver
@ZieWeaver 7 місяців тому
I was 28 the last time my mother pulled up my dress to inspect my underwear. Looking back, I don't understand how I ever thought that was normal or ok.
@dominicfucinari1942
@dominicfucinari1942 6 місяців тому
How can she tell you to strip, then turn around and have no qualms about coming off like a pimpess or sex trafficker in the making? Does she have no idea how incriminating that is for herself?
@smilloww2095
@smilloww2095 6 місяців тому
That line if i tell you to strip, you strip is absolutely outrageous. Your mom may as well be a rapist wtf
@argonanarchy3882
@argonanarchy3882 7 місяців тому
I was raised in foster care due to (mainly) neglect. I think the rights of a child matter more than the rights of a parent simply due to the fact that they're more vulnerable.
@pierregibson6699
@pierregibson6699 7 місяців тому
As a former foster kid….I would agree 👍🏽
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 5 місяців тому
I mean also that's just the basic idea of human rights, they apply to all humans regardless of age, sex or ethnicity. You don't get to override them simply because they contain 50% of your DNA.
@constitutionalcarrot3720
@constitutionalcarrot3720 5 місяців тому
The decision will be made by the State or the legal guardian of a different capacity then, and not the child themselves. We already have mechanisms for taking away parental rights of bad parents. Why take away rights of good parents?
@AgeismGoesBothWays
@AgeismGoesBothWays 4 місяці тому
AMEN. Children's well being is more important than any other issue; they're the next generation. The worst crimes of society are typically by people who were abused when they were younger. When people have chronic depression and anxiety it's often because of a dysfunctional home life.
@theboombody
@theboombody 3 місяці тому
The right to be protected, absolutely. The right to eat pizza for every meal, well, no. But of course parents should lead by example. It makes NO sense for a parent to eat pizza every night and force their kid to eat healthy food because it's better for them.
@Jessie_Helms
@Jessie_Helms 6 місяців тому
Parent’s “rights” to treat their kids like property. That’s all it is, all almost all “parental rights” groups are pushing.
@aby110
@aby110 5 місяців тому
100%
@me-myself-i787
@me-myself-i787 5 місяців тому
As opposed to the government's property.
@Jessie_Helms
@Jessie_Helms 5 місяців тому
@@me-myself-i787 no jackass, as opposed to human beings who are in the _care_ of their parents, not the _property_ of their parents. You know, because they’re _actual fucking human beings_ and not god damned property. You are a steward of your children, to borrow from Christian imagery. A steward came make important decisions about something in their control, but no one is under any illusions of them _owning_ said thing. If anyone “owns” someone it’s the self, so you are stewarded by your parents until you can claim yourself, but you are never _owned_ by them and they can abuse their power in a way that forfeits their right to control.
@Yay295
@Yay295 5 місяців тому
It's interestingly similar to the "state's rights" arguments.
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 5 місяців тому
@@me-myself-i787 Do you honestly think you said something clever there?
@chrislister570
@chrislister570 7 місяців тому
Speaking as someone who's mother converted me to Islam and moved me to another country without my consent, parents do not have a right to force on their children a religion, political ideology, sexual orientation or gender identity. What parents have is a responsibility to provide their children with security, a home, adequate neutrition, healthcare, education, and the freedom to find their own identity and purpose.
@doomcat6426
@doomcat6426 7 місяців тому
"moved me to another country" ... so your family moved and you are angry about it? Perhaps I am missing a lot of context but don't you think that to fulfill their responsibilities of security, a home, etc. a parent might need to move? How does a child's consent play any role in a family moving?
@popopop984
@popopop984 7 місяців тому
@@doomcat6426 This is a lot of assumptions, but also a child should be consulted on whether the family moves in the first place. Or what does the child not have any right to have a stable life? The right to have relationships, and feel comfortable in the place they live without it all being taken away? Maybe the family has to move, but completely disregarding the child, i.e. "how does the child's consent play any role in a family moving" is extremely shitty, and truly makes me wonder if you think children are human beings who deserve stability and friendships.
@karou6969
@karou6969 7 місяців тому
@@doomcat6426if you wouldn't like to move to another country by force, why would a child?
@conspiracypanda1200
@conspiracypanda1200 7 місяців тому
​@@doomcat6426Sometimes moving to a different place is a requirement for survival or a better life and that should be clearly communicated to a child if that is the case, but it _is_ in fact possible to move for selfish or abusive reasons too. Wanting to isolate a partner or child and make them completely dependant on you, for instance, is much easier when you can simply force them to move into a gated or cult community where their interactions will be heavily limited and scrutinised thanks to the great distances and limits upon their resources.
@ItsMzPhoenix
@ItsMzPhoenix 7 місяців тому
Idk why you included sexual orientation and gender identity there
@DemocracyDiesInDarkness
@DemocracyDiesInDarkness 7 місяців тому
Wow, as a parent I thought our job was to raise free thinkers who can function as adults on their own.
@dark_quEEnisCringe
@dark_quEEnisCringe 7 місяців тому
You're correct
@jish55
@jish55 7 місяців тому
You are, but raising free thinkers also means making sure they're able to hear opposing views from what you believe and allowing your kid to make their own decision on what is right and what isn't. With education, it's apart of that, but also educating the child on specific subjects, which is something you as a parent should not have a right in determining unless you yourself have a masters in teaching.
@onbearfeet
@onbearfeet 7 місяців тому
​@@jish55There doesn't seem to be any lack of opportunity for kids to hear right-wing and far-right views, though. Even in the deep blue state where I live, people are literally screaming these views through loudspeakers on street corners and waving signs at passing cars, telling children what vile abominations they are for being different. And that's not touching the right-wing channels on social media actively marketing themselves to kids. If parents are more left-leaning and their kids go outside or online at any point, those kids will be exposed to alternate viewpoints. These views aren't popular among most kids here (at least, not the ones I know), but I can't blame them for disagreeing with screaming adults who tell them they're not really people.
@ari3lz3pp
@ari3lz3pp 7 місяців тому
If that were true you'd be making sure your homeschooling your children in the first place. But unfortunately many are not and are trying to have one foot in the door and one foot out. Which they absolutely have a right to dictate what is in the schools and what is being taught. Unfortunately part of what started The downfall of our public school system in the first place was that the majority of parents were now involved in broken families instead of nuclear families and did not have time to participate in deciding what their children were going to be learning. The public school is still funded by parents and their taxes so they definitely get a say since the school boards and the teachers and the librarians are public servants to the parents as well as their children. Personally I see a point in fighting against the atrocities of the school system even though I would not publicly school my children. But because of the fact that I don't want my children's peers to be brainwashed ignoramuses, or even worse to be harmed directly by these ideologies that are being pushed in public schools. TLDR: If not a hypocrite will fight the school system being led by sexists, racists, and pedophiles so that children forced to engage in the public school system can have a chance to learn as freely as possible. ❤
@goofusmaximus1482
@goofusmaximus1482 7 місяців тому
Parents from fundamentalist religion reject that notion out of hand. They view their children as mere extensions of themselves.
@Ranixo286
@Ranixo286 6 місяців тому
And apparently "parents' rights" was also a thing in the 70's...when desegregation in schools was happening. And I think thats all we need to know.
@SB-iy9vn
@SB-iy9vn 6 місяців тому
70s school were desegrageted Think mid 50's
@WriterRachel
@WriterRachel 5 місяців тому
Its the same people still pushing hate & division and calling it parents rights, perhaps even states rights. Anti-LGBT rhetoric is a tenet of white supremacy.
@TheParadoxGamer1
@TheParadoxGamer1 4 місяці тому
@@SB-iy9vn It was signed into law, yes, but it took until the 70s to have it fully desegregated in much of the South.
@KristinaKarina
@KristinaKarina 3 місяці тому
Wait… what? @Ranixo286 Splain it to me like I’m 10 years old…. which I was in the 1970’s. Were you?
@TheParadoxGamer1
@TheParadoxGamer1 3 місяці тому
@@KristinaKarina my grandparents were teenagers in the 60s and 70s in the south, desegregation was declared law in ‘54, but many MANY districts in the southern US refused to desegregate, took the feds stepping in and making it happen for it to actually occur. My own grandparents watched it happen, my high school was historically black, and when desegregation started my grandmother had friends whose siblings were made to switch schools to mine. And she described their parents as being “less than happy” about it, and because of the history of my hometown? Yeah, its not because of their kids going to a different school.
@gravelfilledSoap
@gravelfilledSoap 6 місяців тому
As a trans student, I’m honestly terrified of my mom finding out I’ve been going by a different name and pronouns. Im so scared of what schools are going to to me and people like me, and I just, I’m scared
@nobees5236
@nobees5236 6 місяців тому
hope you're doing alright.
@anonymousonyx7755
@anonymousonyx7755 6 місяців тому
cringe
@macosta3499
@macosta3499 6 місяців тому
​@@anonymousonyx7755"Cringe" says "anonymous onyx", probably a middle aged engeneer. Lol grow up
@sean-bv3yj
@sean-bv3yj 6 місяців тому
​@@anonymousonyx7755imagine saying cringe to a school child about there gender. You are a loser do better
@JustinW332
@JustinW332 6 місяців тому
I'm scared for you. That can't be easy. You shouldn't have to tell anyone if you don't feel safe to do so.
@testdummymedia
@testdummymedia 7 місяців тому
We’re at the point that it is radical to respect a child’s humanity. It shouldn’t have to be this way. Great job as always Zoe.
@kylemccormack1785
@kylemccormack1785 7 місяців тому
Except children's humanity is being respected and you literally just said nothing. You can't even explain in what way children are being disrespected, like, according to you radical left wingers literally raising your children at all or teaching them anything at all is a form of abuse. Unless of course it's YOU, teaching them YOUR beliefs... then it's holy work.
@Moe_Posting_Chad
@Moe_Posting_Chad 7 місяців тому
So how old do they need to be before you molest them? That's where this logically ends up. So what is it pedophile? Do you have any human decency left?
@rhael42
@rhael42 7 місяців тому
It's... been this way for centuries. Children being treated as property is, unfortunately, fundamental to our culture.
@Moe_Posting_Chad
@Moe_Posting_Chad 7 місяців тому
@@rhael42 Its necessary. You're making no argument other than the obvious. If pedophiles get children "liberated" they can rape them freely. You people are genuinely evil. You should see this is where this is pushing from the fucking *STARTING LINE!* Troons were just a trojan horse to get the pedophiles teed up for a hole in one.
@kylemccormack1785
@kylemccormack1785 7 місяців тому
@@rhael42 Right. Because as property of their parents, they have protection from these weird creepy perverts who are fighting for "child autonomy" for very sick, disgusting reasons.
@Slaanash
@Slaanash 7 місяців тому
"That's how my parents raised me, and I turned out fine", says abusive parent that did not turn out fine.
@Frommerman
@Frommerman 7 місяців тому
So much this. "You think literally assaulting your own children is a good and normal thing to do. You did not turn out fine."
@weebandgaminginc.7593
@weebandgaminginc.7593 6 місяців тому
Oh. Don’t forget the fun quote, “don’t tell me how to raise my child” “I have a name, mom.”
@ytgytgy
@ytgytgy 5 місяців тому
My mom wasn't abused by her parents, but she did a number to my sister and I. Then as adults she literally said we turned out just fine and all sorts of other gaslighting shit when we confronted her. She died from cancer last year, and I really do miss my mom, but I sure don't miss the antagonism she created.
@gomes7066
@gomes7066 5 місяців тому
"I turned out fine" sir, no you did not, you are absolutely insufferable. Go to therapy, you'll be thanked by literally everyone around you
@gihdiyrnottingham9778
@gihdiyrnottingham9778 5 місяців тому
@@ytgytgywhy would you miss that?
@coloradobrad6779
@coloradobrad6779 7 місяців тому
6:20. The definition of indoctrination. Parents don’t wanna hear the child’s opinion, they want to hear their opinion coming out of the child’s mouth. My parent thought they owned me right up until the day I was taken out of the house away from them.
@bluedye4087
@bluedye4087 6 місяців тому
@@sr-oj9ev How do they not see what's wrong with this? How are they teaching this to other parents? Do they actually think they're impacting the world positively by doing this?
@ybouzl2191
@ybouzl2191 2 місяці тому
​@@bluedye4087yes. All they see is a child saying exactly what they want to hear, perfectly confirming their beliefs. They don't see the hurt.
@Scarshadow666
@Scarshadow666 7 місяців тому
To me, the scariest and mind-boggling thing is that the concept of not hitting/spanking kids is a relatively recent societal thing. People forget that kids being beaten for punishment was normalized for a long time (some of my own elderly family members and ancestors have dealt with some bad beatings as kids), and even while growing up in the '90s spankings were still normalized for child rearing. It's little wonder that so many people are dealing with generational traumas - even things that were normalized by a lot of societies/cultures a couple decades ago have aged into being unhealthy and/or messed-up. 0_0
@assassin8636
@assassin8636 6 місяців тому
I guess you're right
@anne-zh2kd
@anne-zh2kd 6 місяців тому
As someone in the BDSM community I see it 100% as sexual assault of a minor. Absolutely disgusting.
@vixxcelacea2778
@vixxcelacea2778 4 місяці тому
@@anne-zh2kd Also apart of the BDSM community and I actually kind of struggle with the spanking as a fun thing in practice because I associate it to people being very very mad at me.
@sugoish9461
@sugoish9461 29 днів тому
When people try to claim children can't be raised into proper adults without corporal punishment, I gladly tell them to look at my country, Sweden. It was the first to completely ban corporal punishment of children in the world, in 1979! Generations now exist who were _never_ exposed to it, and our society functions like any other. I find it so mind-boggling to see how normalized it still is in many other parts of the world.
@KuroAlis
@KuroAlis 7 місяців тому
I'm 28 and to this day my blood boils when I hear any version of "you'll understand when you're older". I was too young to have an opinion or criticise, but not too young to look after their children, not too young to be expected to act like an adult.
@Apes_are_monkeys
@Apes_are_monkeys 7 місяців тому
Well put. You're expected to have the emotional maturity of an adult without free thought or expression. I've noticed this pretty often in mine and my friends' upbringings.
@leyrua
@leyrua 7 місяців тому
That's usually code for "I can't justify it, so I'm going to stall and hope you forget to ask the question again in a few years"
@SRHisntSilent
@SRHisntSilent 7 місяців тому
Felt. There are some unreasonable standards put on children even in 2023
@maninthemask6275
@maninthemask6275 7 місяців тому
Considering it’s proven that an overwhelming amount of people change their opinions once you get older they aren’t lying. Also your 28 and you don’t have kids of your own?
@nunnyabznz
@nunnyabznz 7 місяців тому
Speaking as someone who is "older", was an eldest child who was expected to take on adult responsibility too young, and is a parent now -- I agree wholeheartedly. I think very often that response (you'll understand when you're older) is a lazy way for people to avoid having a real conversation about their own failures.
@mcmann2243
@mcmann2243 7 місяців тому
Maybe I’m a nerd, but the show Supernatural has one of my favorite quotes about children: “Kids ain't supposed to be grateful. They're supposed to eat your food and break your heart”
@chaimafaghet7343
@chaimafaghet7343 7 місяців тому
You're not a nerd, you're a moron who thinks shitty TV is profound.
@tperk2042
@tperk2042 7 місяців тому
Uncle Bobby
@8littleclouds895
@8littleclouds895 6 місяців тому
it's really true too. It's a brilliant quote
@AlanAnt
@AlanAnt 7 місяців тому
For these “parents rights” people, teaching kids to think for themselves is inherently a subversive activity.
@niamhturner1451
@niamhturner1451 5 місяців тому
but it also involves indoctrinating them into this anti parenting agenda, ah yes we all know a 5 year old can look after themselves Fucking americans sometimes look after your fucking children, this includes discipline! If God allows me to one day have a kid I won't be falling down this retarded rabbithole like what i almost did as a child and young teenager thanks to my country's government's attempts at propaganda, a light smack hurt noone, its not child abuse to educate them whats wrong and right, its called P A R E N T I N G
@keycuz
@keycuz 5 місяців тому
My daughters grades have dropped in every subject since she learnt that she is actually a boy. Thinking for yourself doesn't help if you don't understand anything.
@burningsnow9870
@burningsnow9870 5 місяців тому
​@@keycuzCan you clarify what you mean?
@burningsnow9870
@burningsnow9870 4 місяці тому
@keycuz It could be his grades are dropping because they're dealing with the emotional stress of struggling with their identity and that you'll not accept them anymore. The fear of rejection by his parents could very well be a bigger part in their grades dropping since it's pretty clear you are at the very least extremely reluctant about the topic. You should have a sit down and genuinely ask them if they're afraid your love is conditional on them being who you want them to be. Trust me, it might be good for you both.
@feihceht656
@feihceht656 4 місяці тому
​@@burningsnow9870 blue white player, you're alright
@austinluther5825
@austinluther5825 7 місяців тому
I have 2 kids (9 and 7yo) and I raise them the, mostly, the way I was raised. My mom has been telling me my whole life, "You're not raising kids, you're raising future adults." Her tactic was to treat my brother and I like people and to teach us skills like critical thinking, research, media literacy, etc. My dad taught us about history and how it showcases tendencies of human behavior, some good and some bad. We were encouraged to do things, but we were free to argue against them. Just be ready for a counter argument. I raise my kids the same way. I don't want them to think the same way I do, I want them to think. I want them to be open to new ideas but still think critically. I want them to be decent and kind people.
@dawnzimmerman132
@dawnzimmerman132 6 місяців тому
I want the same for my kiddo!
@FelisImpurrator
@FelisImpurrator 2 місяці тому
Based. Absolutely based.
@sugoish9461
@sugoish9461 29 днів тому
Reminds me of how my dad has put it (IIRC it was apparently inspired by a native american saying?); "We are really just borrowing you from your future adult selves for a short time in your life, until you can live independently. Your life is yours, and our role is simply to support it." Not that that means support ends at 18yo to him! He still helps and supports and is there for even his 45yo adult son when he needs him. He has said about that, "Being a parent is a life-long duty. I _want_ to support my children. I will always have a duty to you." If it's not already clear, I love him very much 🥹🫶 My other parent felt like _children_ had a duty to care for their _parent_ (even when they're a small child) because "We're family", so having my dad in my life really was so important to me, and he stood up for us a lot, and always argued fiercely against when mom tried to fight with him over that they need to have a "united front" (consisting of her unreasonable opinion ofc), saying "No, it is important our children feel that they are listened to, and I don't support [her unreasonable decision]"
@dogearflopper7011
@dogearflopper7011 7 місяців тому
Maybe I'm biased since I'm not a parent, but I think too many parents have it in their heads that their kids are not separate persons from themselves.
@DracoGalboy
@DracoGalboy 7 місяців тому
Or are just the property of the parent...
@jeffersonclippership2588
@jeffersonclippership2588 7 місяців тому
Idk if it matters if you have kids or not when so many parents aren't even trying to hide that
@darkstarr984
@darkstarr984 7 місяців тому
Honestly, as someone who was constantly pressed to conform to the expectations of my mother up until my twenties, you’re probably right.
@Silvermoon424
@Silvermoon424 7 місяців тому
You're totally right. I'm very fortunate in that my parents have always valued my siblings and I as individuals, but SO MANY parents just view their kids as extensions of themselves that they can do whatever they want to. It's why a lot of close-minded parents get so angry when their kids come out as LGBTQ or express different political opinions; they're actively going against how the parents view themselves.
@Silvermoon424
@Silvermoon424 7 місяців тому
@@hagoryopi2101 Bruh, you're bringing up an entirely unrelated topic from OP's point. We're talking about how too many parents think they OWN their kids, not that parents shouldn't ever make any decisions for their kids.
@jenniferklein1707
@jenniferklein1707 7 місяців тому
When it comes to corporal punishment the best thing I've heard is "If they are too young to be reasoned with, why are you hitting them? If they are old enough to be reasoned with, why are you hitting them?"
@Oksurewhynot13
@Oksurewhynot13 7 місяців тому
Exactly. And every other group in society is protected from such abuse…except the most vulnerable.
@kathrynmyrick1739
@kathrynmyrick1739 7 місяців тому
Another good argument: It is said that you should never hit a dog when training it. If you can train a dog without hitting it, why should you have to hit a child when training them?
@remo27
@remo27 7 місяців тому
Because not all kids can or WANT to be 'reasoned with'. And other punishments don't always work, since many of them require cooperation of the kid to do so. Plus, there is literally no punishment that cannot be taken to abusive lengths or construed as 'inherently' abusive by control freaks such as yourself. As for the littlest ones there's a difference between a smack on the hands when the toddler goes to touch the stove (the pain from the smack is much less than the pain from a burn and a burn is dangerous esp to little kids) or a few open handed smacks on the ass then some bruising from a belt or a beating with your fists. Normal people know the difference and I dare say so do most children. Anyway , one can usually tell an abused child from a non abused one by simply seeing how they interact with their parents. Are they scared to be around them or , instead, do they rush for hugs and contact?
@remo27
@remo27 7 місяців тому
@@kathrynmyrick1739 I must be a terrible horrible evil animal hating Nazi for occasionally hitting a dogs nose or butt with a rolled up newspaper or magazine then. I also love how you compare human children to non-sentient animals. If we 'trained' human kids exactly how we train our pets, we'd never teach them to speak.
@e-w-4174
@e-w-4174 7 місяців тому
​@@remo27 Dogs and many other animals are sentient, you creationist weirdo. Look it up. And yes, hitting your dog makes you ABUSIVE. Your dog has no ability to connect your action to theirs, they just think you are mad at them and hurting them. They learn entirely through positive reinforcement. Pick up a book or two in your life.
@roxkandii
@roxkandii 7 місяців тому
I'm so thankful for videos like this. As a child (13 years old) I feel like most adults don't see us as people, but as clay. They want to mold us into what they want, and we're just _things_ that kids can hit and mistreat and wear as a badge. We don't deserve privacy. We don't deserve rights. We don't deserve to say "no". We're nothing more than a doll, and it really, really hurts and completely breaks a person (or a thing, according to right-wingers).
@TheInfintyithGoofball
@TheInfintyithGoofball 6 місяців тому
You're only 13yrs old but what you're saying is what I've felt from day one of all my memories... you spoke ALL of it with far more brevity than I've achieved in a lonnnng time
@blackcrow4446
@blackcrow4446 6 місяців тому
Me too...
@thirdwheel9938
@thirdwheel9938 6 місяців тому
I'm turning into an adult this year but I get it, I'm really concerned with how entitled adults feel with their own chikdren These people want clones, not children
@pheevosgregory3401
@pheevosgregory3401 6 місяців тому
A screw isn't hit w/ a hammer
@ellaalexeisdaughter2636
@ellaalexeisdaughter2636 6 місяців тому
I am 20 and feeling completely disarrayed and paralyzed. Nothing can really help now, it seems. Dream big, kid. Achieve more than the "smawt ahduwts" around you. Be better than me.
@mkultrasex
@mkultrasex 6 місяців тому
I'm 20 but I still remember being a child and my parents fighting with me to allow me to choose what name and how I was referred to in school but got mad when I was depressed, put little effort into my appearance and was failing my classes- "you're making us look like bad parents" the apperance of being "bad parents" took precedent over them supporting and caring for me when they didn't personally agree with the person I was, it came down to them monitoring who I spoke with, what I watched, what I read, the music I listened to- it made me constantly feel like a failure that I wasn't the exact kind of child they wanted.
@TransHippie
@TransHippie 6 місяців тому
I'm 50, and first cross identified at 3, in 1976 when the standard of care was to blame mothers and tell them to make it stop at any cost. My parents had inescapable ignorance as an excuse; there was no science telling them how to handle it. Yours do not have that excuse. I'm sorry you're dealing with that.
@aby110
@aby110 5 місяців тому
We gotta move away from relationships of property between parents/children, men/women and more broadly speaking between human and human. The sooner we get rid of these social relics of feudal times, the healthier our social relationships will become.
@matthewbrooks5470
@matthewbrooks5470 Місяць тому
I think your comment has helped me to realize my mother is the same or similar, just to a much lesser extent. I’ll quickly preface to say that I believe she has been and continues to be a good mother to me, but I was on my own when it came to finding “me,” and all her talks of my appearance have had a “this reflects poorly on me” tinge to them
@victoriajankowski1197
@victoriajankowski1197 7 місяців тому
The UN has a 'childrens bill of rights' but the US has consistently refused to adopt it
@headphonesaxolotl
@headphonesaxolotl 7 місяців тому
What is on it?
@dappercoat249
@dappercoat249 7 місяців тому
Gotta love that Good Ol’ US of A BS
@victoriajankowski1197
@victoriajankowski1197 7 місяців тому
@@headphonesaxolotl www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R40484/25%23:~:text%3DIt%2520defines%2520a%2520child%2520as,and%2520freedom%2520from%2520exploitation%252C%2520torture%252C&ved=2ahUKEwim17HzuMmBAxVjnokEHRreAR4QFnoECA0QBg&usg=AOvVaw3IunjgkmcQ0rIBGMDgpOB6
@victoriajankowski1197
@victoriajankowski1197 7 місяців тому
@@headphonesaxolotl the right to food, medical, safety, freedom of expression, a good education, and a few other things
@headphonesaxolotl
@headphonesaxolotl 7 місяців тому
@@victoriajankowski1197 Alright, sounds pretty good.
@boojersey13
@boojersey13 7 місяців тому
Similar to this, when children grow up and stop allowing their parent to mistreat them, the parent starts blaming everyone that child met and befriended and was introduced to or even read articles about online, they will reach far and wide to the ends of the earth just to believe their child isnt just thinking for themselves.
@Romanticoutlaw
@Romanticoutlaw 7 місяців тому
similarly, all of those will be the explanation for why their child cut them out of their life, because _surely_ they weren't to blame
@athenaraines
@athenaraines 7 місяців тому
I came out as trans and my parents immediately blamed my trans girlfriend for coercing me into transitioning. I met her months after I changed my name and pronouns. I told them this. They didn’t believe me.
@naruske97
@naruske97 7 місяців тому
This is happening to me right now
@boojersey13
@boojersey13 7 місяців тому
@@naruske97 The reason I wrote this comment was because that exact conversation had happened maybe an hour before I posted it lmao
@deleetiusproductions3497
@deleetiusproductions3497 7 місяців тому
Why do people always seem to find it so hard to take responsibility?
@thatmtgnerd
@thatmtgnerd 7 місяців тому
I really love being forced to go to a openly anti lgbtq church as a bi dude. Fortunately my mom is and always as been an ally (which is why I'm so confused why she still attends) but damn being told weel after week I am a gross abomination is lovely.
@007kingifrit
@007kingifrit 7 місяців тому
having an SDI (sexually deviant identity) is a choice, you could just say you're a straight man and do your gay shit quietly
@artikulv731
@artikulv731 6 місяців тому
@@007kingifritso there’s this cool thing called not having to lie about who you are
@007kingifrit
@007kingifrit 6 місяців тому
@@artikulv731 we all lie about who we are every day, you don't and shouldn't need to tell every person you meet all your sexual proclivities. that's called being a good citizen
@TheInfintyithGoofball
@TheInfintyithGoofball 6 місяців тому
@thatmtnerd could u switch churches? also if your mom still attends AND forces you to (which I believe you implied) I wonder if she really acts like a true ally...
@SleeplessRonin
@SleeplessRonin 6 місяців тому
I found out long ago that there is no hatred in the world quite as vehement as Christian 'love.'
@thegoblinking.
@thegoblinking. 7 місяців тому
I grew up in a household where my mom would always proudly state word for word "you are a child, i am above you" when ever she thought i was "disrespecting" her. I certianly took this to heart and gave up trying to speak my mind around her. It was an excellent way for her to exert control over me. Ive just graduated college this year, and like many people, in college I formed my own opinions that weren't just regurgitated indoctrination from my parents. My mom's stance on me be lesser certainly didnt help my journey to becoming my own person with my own beliefs. It also crippled my confidence in myself where i assume that everyone around me is more capable than me. I doubt myself even when im right. Theres still so much for me to unlearn. And yes, my mom is definitely a "parents rights person". If she had it her way, i would have been home schooled. I cannot tell you how happy i am that she wasnt able to do that.
@kaylaa2204
@kaylaa2204 7 місяців тому
To parents who say they are entitled to know their kid came out as queer in some way, I ask “why do you think you don’t already know? The kid did not feel safe telling you before telling their teacher, and there’s probably a good reason for that.”
@mrosskne
@mrosskne 7 місяців тому
Stop being queer then.
@etherweb6796
@etherweb6796 7 місяців тому
I'd suspect the reason is probably the fear mongering you see in videos like this. Schools and Teachers who advocate hiding things from parents are backing the wrong horse - this opens kids up to abuse from any teacher or staff member at school and parents who want to protect their children from harm would have no idea, and the school would just write it off as "bad parents"
@diamondrg3556
@diamondrg3556 7 місяців тому
Why is a kid thinking about their sexual identity if the parent didn't talk to the kid about it? Bc the teachers did. No bueno
@nata5212
@nata5212 7 місяців тому
@@diamondrg3556 shit, somebody's got to do it.
@jasonedenburg9427
@jasonedenburg9427 7 місяців тому
​@@diamondrg3556 kids aren't told to be queer, they are taught that queer people exist and thats ok. If a kid only knows and sees around him/her straight people and that is considered the norm that queer kid will feel much better talking to someone who says it ok rather than someone who doesn't discus it at all or in some cases even demonized that. Thats what the first commenter ment The way you phrased your response (correct me if I'm wrong) makes it seem like teachers are telling kids to be queer.
@ps3650
@ps3650 7 місяців тому
The fact that the Conservative premier of Manitoba recently admitted in an interview that she would force teachers to inform parents about their children's reports of abuse by those same parents tells you everything you need to know.
@SPierre-dm4wo
@SPierre-dm4wo 7 місяців тому
Between the 'parental rights' bullshit and the PC's official policy of "If you can get your victim's body into a landfill, we won't go looking for them", it's a dangerous time to be a Manitoban kid with bad parents...
@onorebakasama
@onorebakasama 7 місяців тому
Yikes.
@neff6185
@neff6185 7 місяців тому
I mean im in Aus & as a 10 year old I told a teacher I trusted exactly that. She proceeded to tell me she had to tell my parents because I was being harmed? (By my parents?) that it was duty of care. After screaming, crying, begging with her she called my parents, gave me a hug and sent me on my way. Gee I wonder if that lead to a productive discussion or literal hell on earth for the next month. No wonder why I have trust issues ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@rainydaygaming5507
@rainydaygaming5507 7 місяців тому
I would genuinely tell parents to suck shit through a straw. My brain actually starts to itch when I meet parents who don't deserve to die alone
@GThe-su9kl
@GThe-su9kl 7 місяців тому
Yeah, politicians will pander to their base instead of trying to solve real issues (looking at Quebec's premier, who wants to create a commission on gender neutral bathrooms in schools while we lack schools, teachers, food to feed the kids and a chunk of them have to work to support their family).
@jonnettehay6098
@jonnettehay6098 6 місяців тому
I am a teacher of 26 years...in Florida. I hear you, Zoe Bee, and I thank you. Children deserve to be people and as people, they deserve respect.
@CiaraMcMurry-wx5ex
@CiaraMcMurry-wx5ex 5 місяців тому
…you hang in there. Florida is a tough place to be a teacher right now….
@dradenlol8667
@dradenlol8667 7 місяців тому
My parents are very liberal and still have the “children don’t get privacy” attitude. I’m moved out at this point, and I discuss my new views on the world with them sometimes (I’m further left than they are now). I recall my dad saying “did I teach you nothing?” As if I don’t respect and value a lot of what he told me. I just have differences in my worldview, and that was enough to elicit “did I teach you nothing?”
@hueco5002
@hueco5002 7 місяців тому
“What if the kid didn’t want to tell the parent because they weren’t sure the parent would support them” - honestly this should be a wake up call for the parent. Your child had no reason to believe you’d support them. You failed. If you’re a parent reading this and you’ve failed - just know that you can always turn things around. You don’t have to live with that failure. Giving your kid a reason to believe in you will be hard work. It’s worth it.
@Afgrahamistan
@Afgrahamistan 7 місяців тому
​@@null009Wrong.
@null009
@null009 7 місяців тому
@@Afgrahamistan You've convinced me.
@null009
@null009 7 місяців тому
@@thebearingedge In this case, the child wouldn't have either. There were no such insecurities or uncertainties a mere 20 years ago, and if there were, they weren't rampant as they are today. Really makes you think why that is.
@Jaesdaes
@Jaesdaes 7 місяців тому
​@@null009because they weren't accepted or taught as widely, and people feared being killed and completely ostracized a lot more??
@null009
@null009 7 місяців тому
@@Jaesdaes Didn't happen lol. Stop living in an alternate dimension.
@pixxeldust
@pixxeldust 7 місяців тому
The worst part about being a young person affected by these issues is that, while other groups that have been mistreated can fight for their rights and stand up for themselves, kids can’t vote, kids can’t go on strike, and kids have no leverage or power. It’s an impossible loop. We need to be seen as human beings to be able to fight for the right to be seen as human beings. Thank you so much for covering this issue!
@gilliantohver3225
@gilliantohver3225 7 місяців тому
Obviously, we adults need to fix this, but kids can also exercise power, they just don't realize it yet. The power is always with the subservient one because only they can determine when no is final and the dominant one can't make them change their mind without their permission. Refuse to go to school or work pr help around the house en masse until we adults get their heads out of their asses. Speak to newspapers. Report any and all physical or mental abuse by adultd - minor or major - to the authorities and reporters and online via libraries and social media. Make noise. Be the squeakiest wheel ever. Stand outside government buildings in protest. They shouldn't have to, of course, but cornering these gross "parent's rights" people is going to take a pincer approach, sadly.
@somtheory
@somtheory 7 місяців тому
So it's kind of systematic in the way that once you have powere you do the same abuse or disregard them, in other words it's intrinsikly thought to us to abuse power on on end and to ignore on the other. So a system that tells us to disregard others becouse that isn't my issu. If anybody want's to bother about this; I found nervous brakdowns and other some such are counter productif, so I Hope you stay healthy.
@PaKalsha
@PaKalsha 7 місяців тому
I saw someone on tumblr say that, after years of working in social care and helping people get away from abusive partners and off the streets, they don't know what they'd do if they were a kid who needed to escape abusive parents. There are no facilities for helping a child leave an abusive home of their own free will - no shelters, no programmes, no funds. The police take runaways back home without asking why the kid ran and shelters don't take unaccompanied minors. You're absolutely right: kids don't have a lot of protections or rights and don't have any way to get them. We adults have to fight on your behalf.
@lukebytes5366
@lukebytes5366 7 місяців тому
Women and black people couldn't vote either. It's hard, but convincing others that we aren't apes that can be molded into what society wants has been proven time and time again to be possible.
@BD-yl5mh
@BD-yl5mh 7 місяців тому
And also, you eventually stop being a kid. (At least externally)
@geroldgrimel4811
@geroldgrimel4811 7 місяців тому
I was extremely controlled and gaslighted as a child, and through my teens. I'm now in my mid 30s, and still struggling to establish a mindset of self determination and self love. I'm going through a crisis of regret and self loathing for allowing myself to trust my parents and authority figures in my youth. I've had daily issues with anger and sadness, because I don't feel like my life is my own, and I'm obsessed with being independent and hyper vigilant against manipulation. This kind of bad parenting does destroy lives, and unfortunately, especially as a man in this culture, I'm expected to suck it up, and no one takes my trauma seriously. It's especially impacted my ability to form relationships with others, because I am always expecting my companions to give me the love and affection that my parents didn't. My parents are good to me as an adult, and they have apologized to me, but the damage is mostly done.
@jupitersnoot4915
@jupitersnoot4915 5 місяців тому
My mother spanked me ONCE as a child. Y'know what happened? From that, i learned that hitting was ok as long as you are angry with someone, and I proceeded to start smacking and punching other kids at school. My mother stopped spanking me and whattdya know! I stopped hitting!
@kaisernein
@kaisernein 4 місяці тому
You literally just contradicted yourself based on one of your previous comments
@TheTrueUntrueNic
@TheTrueUntrueNic 4 місяці тому
Saw a frustrated kid at a supermarket hitting his aunt. She threatened to hit him if he didn't behave how she wanted. GEE, I WONDER, WHERE DID HE LEARN THAT VIOLENCE IS AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET THE DESIRED BEHAVIOR IF YOU'RE FRUSTRATED?
@theboombody
@theboombody 3 місяці тому
My dad used the belt on me about 4 times growing up and never used anything else. That's 4 out of the 6,000 plus days I lived with him. He never did it in anger, didn't swing it very hard, and only reserved it for when I did something really bad, which is why it was so infrequent. That taught me that I can't just do whatever I want and expect no repercussions for my actions. It also taught me that if I lie to somebody they're eventually going to find it out. People learn differently from different situations. So while the belt worked on me, I know it does not work on everyone. I certainly wouldn't recommend it be used often, if at all. My mom and dad also saved up a decent sized college fund for me and that sure as heck helped me out later.
@emilyrln
@emilyrln 7 місяців тому
Also, if we lowered the cost of raising a child, we would defang the "I own my kid because I pay for them" argument. Just another reason to improve social services, as if we needed more.
@GrumpyOldFart2
@GrumpyOldFart2 7 місяців тому
I don’t think so. If a parent has that kind of mindset, no amount of support network is going to change them. If they so much had to spend a dollar a day, they’d have the same argument. If they had to spend NOTHING, they’d argue that well, I let you stay in this house.
@Alex-cq1zr
@Alex-cq1zr 7 місяців тому
@@GrumpyOldFart2 Or "i had to go through labor for you" or "i had to care for you". Such parents are just kinda unfit to be parents ig
@PaKalsha
@PaKalsha 7 місяців тому
Perhaps it would remove the 'I paid to have you' -> 'I purchased you' link but, sadly, it wouldn't remove the mentality. People in countries with nationalised healthcare express similar sentiments using food, clothes, and housing as the excuse.
@Banunkie
@Banunkie 7 місяців тому
That argument holds no merit either way "I clothed you, gave you warmth, shelter and food." is the bare minimum, it's what you sign up for when you have a kid. It's like saying you're a great pet owner because you put your fish in water
@Alex-cq1zr
@Alex-cq1zr 7 місяців тому
@@PaKalsha yeah. Seems more linked to conservative beliefs imo
@lev4392
@lev4392 7 місяців тому
A while ago I was talking to a family member about how some parents of intersex children will have cosmetic surgery on their infant children’s genitalia which some have reported causes lifetime pain and/or sexual discomfort. I made a comment along the lines of “I don’t think parents should have the right to have cosmetic surgery done on infants” and I got a huge rant about parent rights and how they should be able to do whatever they want with their kids
@chey7691
@chey7691 7 місяців тому
You should see the audacity of the parents once the child finds out what was done to them once they realize they chose the wrong one, and now the kid is trans. Or that they had been mutilated in the name of conformity and lose all trust in them for hiding it. I know from personal experience that it's NOT pretty, and I'm lucky I survived.
@chey7691
@chey7691 7 місяців тому
@@etherweb6796 Ok you are assuming that sex reassignment surgery is being done on children. I can assure you it is not common whatsoever except in the case of intersex infants. As even the most supportive doctors always have the health of the patient at heart, it's a process to get approved that takes years of interrogation that is only considered for teenagers at earliest. You assume corrections by surgery are bad as a whole don't you? And are hiding behind that "think of the children" angle like a coward like the rest of the the regressives. Every time someone uses hypothetical children as pawns in politics, you are hurting real people who don't have the right to speak for themselves yet.
@angelbloodshinra
@angelbloodshinra 7 місяців тому
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that said family member also claims that gender affirming care for trans kids is "mutilation". (Never mind the fact that they generally don't do surgery until they're 18, but transphobes all seem to believe it's the go to option...)
@desmondsala6944
@desmondsala6944 7 місяців тому
Your legally can’t get a surgery like that until 14 with parental consent anywhere in the country lmao. I’d talk to that family member about where he’s getting that info.
@thatmtgnerd
@thatmtgnerd 7 місяців тому
@@etherweb6796 considering my step bro is trans, went through it as a teen and is now much happier, healthier and overall brighter then ever disagrees with your bigotry.
@dspondike
@dspondike 7 місяців тому
I am and always have been FAR more concerned with my daughter's rights as a human than mine as a parent. I am her father as much as she is my daughter. There is NO sense of "ownership" and I have always actively avoided such an attitude. I think it was effective based on her behaviors at 22. Extremists parents on the Right do not only want to exert "ownership" over their own children, but they want to exert ownership over my child as well. This is fascism.
@theboombody
@theboombody 3 місяці тому
See, that right there says Zoe Bee is out of her mind when she makes SO many implications in her video that parents mostly want to own their children. I never wanted to own my son. I've only got a few more years with him before he moves away on his own. I want him to think, "You know, my dad didn't always agree with me, and sometimes he wouldn't let me do the things I wanted to do, but I know he always had my best interests at heart, and wanted me to grow up as a man who can choose whatever road he wants, but preferably a road with wisdom and peace."
@dspondike
@dspondike 3 місяці тому
@@theboombody : In that case, you are not like a significant number of parents.
@Iggi-mv2ux
@Iggi-mv2ux 3 місяці тому
@@theboombody For the most part she's right, parents like you are incredibly rare and you would do well to understand and remember that.
@carlyar5281
@carlyar5281 7 місяців тому
I am a parent, and I am horrified by the “parental rights“ so I really appreciate this video. I think the thing that really bothered me about what I’ve been seeing with “parental rights“ is it’s being used where I live as an excuse to change to the curriculum and limit what my child learns. I’ve started fighting back with “what about my right as a parent?” and pointing out that they don’t have the right to control my child!
@theboombody
@theboombody 3 місяці тому
These group activities are probably questionable as Zoe Bee points out, but Zoe Bee also paints an unrealistic pie-in-the-sky picture of the child always being right and the parent always being wrong.
@DanatronOne
@DanatronOne 7 місяців тому
There's a bizarre dichotomy between how these parents treat actual human children and unborn babies. When it's a fetus, it has and deserves all the rights of a human. Post-birth, they do not.
@prayagsuthar9856
@prayagsuthar9856 7 місяців тому
That's actually a really great observation! On the one hand, conservatives are saying "pro-life, no abortions"...but on the other hand, they're also saying "parents' rights, control (and even abuse!) your children"!!!
@unoriginal_name7091
@unoriginal_name7091 7 місяців тому
As the late great George Carlin put it, "If you're pre-born, you're fine. If you're preschool, you're fucked. Republicans want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers."
@Vox_Rhododendron
@Vox_Rhododendron 7 місяців тому
“If you’re pre-born, you’re fine. If you’re pre-school, you’re fucked!” - George Carlin
@typemasters2871
@typemasters2871 7 місяців тому
As one quote online puts it "[The unborn are]... the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe."
@goofusmaximus1482
@goofusmaximus1482 7 місяців тому
Or the joke: "Life begins at conception, and ends at birth."
@l00sechange
@l00sechange 7 місяців тому
I'm 17 years old and I recently had a conversation with my dad about Sex Education at my school and how I don't feel like it's as efficient as it could be (they just teach abstinence) and he blew up into this long monologue. In the end, his point was that parents should get the right to CONTROL what kids learn about sex and how much they should learn on the topic. He implied that gym teachers and other people who are assigned the role of the sex ed teacher don't fully know what they're talking about. I hate the fact that I couldn't have an opinion on the topic because if I did, I would be considered an "inexperienced child" who doesn't know what she's talking about.
@Aelffwynn
@Aelffwynn 7 місяців тому
Well, those teachers probably don't know what theyre talking about, but neither do parents opposed to sex ed! 😂 I learned most of my sex ed from the Planned Parenthood website, the Sexplanations channel, and my doctor. Tbh the most important lessons I learned were just about good practices for health in that area of my body (like avoiding ANY scented products in that area, quickly changing out of sweaty or wet clothes, wearing natural fibers instead of synthetic, tight pants can lead to irritation and infection, etc.) The condom and birth control thing was made fairly clear, but the little details of caring for that part of your body (beyond "wash regularly" and "use pads") were not something ANYONE discussed with me. Hang in there. You're doing okay.
@yoyohayli
@yoyohayli 7 місяців тому
That's a HUGE part of sex ed that is NEVER taught! Proper care for your own bits. It's probably why SO MANY PEOPLE still think: - You need to wash INSIDE the vagina - You don't need to wash the whole penile area (also, can we talk about how women are made to be OVERLY clean, as if we're dirty naturally, but men are not nearly as concerned about their own genital cleanliness, as if they are naturally more clean???) - That douches are okay or good to use - That tampons take your virginity - That every girl has a hymen and no blood on her first time means she's already had sex - That sex should HURT for a girl's first time - That girls don't even know vaginal discharge is a NORMAL healthy thing, so it leads to girls like ME assuming I was peeing my pants a little bit all the time - Etc
@ballman2010
@ballman2010 7 місяців тому
Hang in there. You're entitled to the wisdom or your life experience just like anyone else. Just keep that mind open, I know it's hard when so many voices get amplified telling you you don't know what you're talking about.
@log3ckert386
@log3ckert386 7 місяців тому
i mean teachers teaching about stuff should have an understanding of what their teaching in 10th grade at my highschool all kids were required to take a basic health class that wasn't too in depth on sex ed but gave us everything we needed to understand
@HarkertheStoryteller
@HarkertheStoryteller 7 місяців тому
One of my students, about your age, put together a complex discussion of how relatively liberal Australian sex ed reproduces patriarchal norms. I can only extend my sympathy to your situation, but it's improving all the time.
@andrewtorrens7790
@andrewtorrens7790 7 місяців тому
If I'm demanding that the school tells me what my kids are doing, then that means that my children don't feel safe or comfortable talking to me. The school needs to be a safe space for kids, and unfortunately that often means keeping them safe from their own parents.
@FrankieProkop
@FrankieProkop 7 місяців тому
Every time an issue like this is brought up I remember that the United States is the only country in the UN (and one of only 2 countries on Earth) that failed to ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. 196 out of 198 countries ratified it, and the US is one half of the countries that didn’t.
@Yay295
@Yay295 5 місяців тому
There are actually more than 198 states; though not all of them are recognized by everyone else. 193 states are in the UN, but more than that have ratified this.
@Old_Jack_Ketch
@Old_Jack_Ketch 7 місяців тому
Every SINGLE time I’ve argued with someone who uses ‘parents rights’ as an argument, it turns out to be a proxy for something horrible they don’t want to just say out loud.
@joeharris2659
@joeharris2659 7 місяців тому
I’m not really familiar with American history and politics, but didn’t the slogan “states’ rights” have much the same function at the time of the Civil War?
@ethan_7480
@ethan_7480 7 місяців тому
@@joeharris2659you would be absolutely correct! It’s almost as though there is a distinct pattern of using the idea of empowerment of one group as an excuse to diminish those of another.
@Amir_404
@Amir_404 7 місяців тому
@@joeharris2659 "States rights" was after the civil war. The South rebelled AGAINST states rights; they kept passing federal laws to force northern states to return escaped slaves, but the North just ignored them. They flipped to "states rights" after losing control of the federal government(northern states were not united before the war). Well okay, that is a bit of an over simplification. The South started the war as a result of the gradual lose of control of the federal government and the election of Lincoln was the last straw.
@ohmygoditisspider7953
@ohmygoditisspider7953 7 місяців тому
@@Amir_404 you keep fighting this fight. the truth is more important, it just serves my own ends that the truth oft shows I'm usually right about the horrid monsters that are in charge of things.
@fatboy158
@fatboy158 7 місяців тому
​@@ohmygoditisspider7953No idea what you're saying here
@gogetyourgun1490
@gogetyourgun1490 7 місяців тому
People need to realize that just because your child has your blood & genetics, that doesn't mean they are a "mini you". They're not mini versions of their parents, they are literally their own people. I see a pattern of parents being loving towards their infant child, but the moment they start talking & speak their mind about their wants & needs, they get annoyed, even abusive towards them because they are not a cute little pet anymore. Kids are not pets. They are not projects. They are not here to complete you. Thinking kids completes a person's life is so toxic & puts way too much pressure on a child. Kids are human beings that are gonna grow up to be adult human beings who speak their own mind & do their own thing. If you can't accept that, then please for the love of god, do NOT have children.
@anthonyr6137
@anthonyr6137 7 місяців тому
@@user-ee4pl8js6n your kids should have power over what your kids think and you should learn to cope with the fact that they are not your property.
@Silvermoon424
@Silvermoon424 7 місяців тому
​@@user-ee4pl8js6n Your kids are fully autonomous, individual human beings, you don't get to decide what they can and can't think. You're their parent, not their owner.
@demetriam2408
@demetriam2408 7 місяців тому
​@@user-ee4pl8js6nthey should have just as much control as you do, none.
@savoirfaire6181
@savoirfaire6181 7 місяців тому
On both sides of this debate people are trying to control kids, whether the parents or the State. They are vulnerable little minds up for grabs and somebody is going to train them and condition them. Being honest about what this battle is about is high pressure, I know, but then that's democracy. Do we believe in the sexual rights of parents, the power rights of the State or the rights of children to spit on all parties and go their own way? If it's the later they won't choose school attendance and they may find nobody feeding them unless we create a welfare system designed to care for such little independent thinkers. Foster homes are infamous for sexual abuse, or else maybe we could let them live on the streets like in Moscow and do sex work?
@docrob5320
@docrob5320 7 місяців тому
I don't know how many times I've had to tell people my child and I are very different people. You are there to give them the tools and support to navigate life on their terms NOT mold them into what you want.
@unitymomentum
@unitymomentum 7 місяців тому
This is so so important, thank you for defending minors. Seriously underrated topic right here.
@rennoc6478
@rennoc6478 7 місяців тому
@@chris135x as a high schooler myself its most definitely defending children
@malogibeaux4946
@malogibeaux4946 7 місяців тому
@@chris135x Whoa seeing how much you comment everywhere you rly don't have a life
@brano13177
@brano13177 6 місяців тому
​@@chris135xNot only are you wrong: your projecting You and your ilk are the ones hurting children and like hurting children
@blackcrow4446
@blackcrow4446 6 місяців тому
​@@chris135xI'm still young and believe me when I say that despite talking all that smack, right wingers and anti-abortion laws did absolutely NOTHING for me or any kids for that matters. They care more for a unborn fœtus than real living kids.
@unitymomentum
@unitymomentum 5 місяців тому
@@chris135x what side? The protection of children from fundamentalists and people who vote in favor of parental rights over minor rights is important - i.e, from those in favor of child marriage like the right have displayed clear interest in, I'm sorry this is not obvious to you. Furthermore, protection from those who keep medical help away from children, and who restrict children from free speech and self-expression, and from those defending corporal punishment and violence against minors..........
@SunshineCasy
@SunshineCasy 6 місяців тому
Hypothetical set of questions: "Do you believe fetuses are human beings?" "Do you believe human beings can be property?" "Do you believe kids are the property of their parents?"
@ladyalicent705
@ladyalicent705 6 місяців тому
No. No. No.
@Neha-wh2kp
@Neha-wh2kp 5 місяців тому
No, no, and no
@tainttracker7556
@tainttracker7556 5 місяців тому
Yes, no, no.
@elaineb7065
@elaineb7065 5 місяців тому
1, Depends. REALLY depends, on a lot of factors. What I can say no to emphatically here is "does the foetus have more rights than the mother carrying them?" That is an absolute no!!! If the mother: doesn't want to carry the foetus, isn't safe to carry the foetus (anything from medical to trauma reasons), & so on, then she (a mother could be a trans man, intersex, or non-binary but is more likely to be she) shouldn't have to carry said foetus to term. However, a WANTED foetus will be grieved like a baby is grieved when lost, & this, too, must be respected. 2, ABSOLUTELY NO!!! Under any circumstances. Slavery is one of the WORST evils ever. I can't even stand anybody saying "the person that" when "the person who" is more humanising & grammatically correct. Even the slightest implication that a person is comparable to an object abhors me, & as a cis woman, I've experienced that a LOT. All women, POC, LGBTQ+, the disabled, the neurodivergent, & others considered not "normal allocishet white rich men" have experienced this, & I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. 3, much less a child. BIG NOPE. Children are a RESPONSIBILITY, not a right. Grandchildren are also a responsibility, not a right. Parents are the stewards, caretakers, housekeepers, janitors, of their children. NOT their fascist dictators
@juanmanuelmoramontes3883
@juanmanuelmoramontes3883 5 місяців тому
Not until a at least 3rd month, no and no.
@Steelystiletto
@Steelystiletto 7 місяців тому
I have been railing against this concept of 'parental ownership' since I was a teenager. It is so damaging, and it is really frightening how many parents believe they really do own their kids.
@ari3lz3pp
@ari3lz3pp 7 місяців тому
Oh man and you're a perpetual teenager. So sorry to hear you're stuck. 🙈 LOL That explains a lot of this nonsense today.
@sushiroll3795
@sushiroll3795 7 місяців тому
​@@ari3lz3pp Congratulations on being the problem!
@hmnhntr
@hmnhntr 7 місяців тому
​@@ari3lz3ppHe's a perpetual teenager, what, because he remembers that experience and exercises sympathy and respect for people?
@micosstar
@micosstar 7 місяців тому
@@ari3lz3ppenjoy your life!
@j.c.2240
@j.c.2240 7 місяців тому
​@@ari3lz3pp Better than being a perpetual toddler
@hyenaedits3460
@hyenaedits3460 7 місяців тому
As a former child, i still find it hard to believe im a real person after spending most of my life as my parents dress up doll. This "children are property" mentality causes trauma well into adulthood.
@Thetexianheathen
@Thetexianheathen 7 місяців тому
As a current child, (teen technically) yea, that's already causing problems between me and my mom because I differ in views a LOT, thank goodness someone pointed this out.
@gymnasticsgirlie0647
@gymnasticsgirlie0647 7 місяців тому
I recommend you check out the play "A Doll's House" by Henrik Ibsen. It literally describes EXACTLY what you are saying right down to the metaphor of the doll. It's so fitting especially if you're a girl and/or AFAB.
@electrifyingct4303
@electrifyingct4303 7 місяців тому
Why do your views differ? Because the public school system planted foreign ideologies in your head?
@Thetexianheathen
@Thetexianheathen 7 місяців тому
@@electrifyingct4303 Ex christian and fundamentalist, need I say more, ok, I'm the ex christian.
@electrifyingct4303
@electrifyingct4303 7 місяців тому
@@Thetexianheathen Good for you. Shows to everyone that you are weak.
@redjoker365
@redjoker365 5 місяців тому
"It is really easy to make up a conversation that makes you look good" has got Plato nervously looking at his manuscript of the Socratic dialogues
@Nai-qk4vp
@Nai-qk4vp 5 місяців тому
And then the shampoo bottles clapped.
@hankboog462
@hankboog462 6 місяців тому
As someone with pretty good parents, it's genuinely insane the difference it makes. I'm currently 17 (turn 18 in less than a week) and I've rarely ever felt a need to rebel because my parents give me a good amount of freedom and for the most part the restrictions they did put in place have always made sense, and when they didnt, theyd always hear me out (and it wasnt just performative, they genuinely changed their mind on some things after talking about it). I especially appreciate how they handled my internet access when I was younger; restricted enough to prevent me from being one of those kids who watched an ISIS beheading at age 11 but loose enough to where I could have fun and use the internet to talk to my friends in a private space. They also handled their divorce really gracefully, maintaining an amicable relationship and making an effort to make sure both houses felt like home. No ones perfect, of course, but I wish more people could have parents like them
@scream_kinh614
@scream_kinh614 7 місяців тому
Having parents who have encouraged me every step of my life, no matter if i was rebelling or losing my faith in christianity or telling them i was trans they have never tried to censor my sight of the world. I thank them everyday for letting me explore as a kid and find myself BY MYSELF without them meddling in it all.
@ninjoshday
@ninjoshday 7 місяців тому
Funny how "parents' rights" so often goes against the rights of parents like yours to support their children
@scream_kinh614
@scream_kinh614 7 місяців тому
@ninjoshday precisely! They take away the choice to let their kids explore and make the decision for them :/
@BryanTorok
@BryanTorok 7 місяців тому
So, they were OK with you playing with metal objects in electrical outlets? Did they let you run in the road so you could explore being hit by a car? Part of the job of a parent is to protect and guide that child until the child is old enough and experienced enough to make those decisions.
@roomba4520
@roomba4520 7 місяців тому
​@@BryanTorok what a fucking strawman
@hueco5002
@hueco5002 7 місяців тому
⁠​⁠@@BryanTorokscream is talking about normal teenage behavior: mostly rebelling against society’s norms and exploring how they fit into various aspects of this society. You’re talking about putting metal objects into high voltage AC lines. You do realize these are not the same thing…right? You do realize how belittling you’re being…right?
@christineortiz5019
@christineortiz5019 7 місяців тому
I am a mom (in Louisiana no less, where so much of the library censorship is happening) and I'm very concerned about how much these "activists" are trying to control my son's life and education. But if I speak out too much I'm worried they will threaten me and my family, as far right wing folks tend to do. It's a hard thing to deal with.
@grantboardman7880
@grantboardman7880 7 місяців тому
As someone who grew up in Louisiana in the 80s and early 90s I can sympathize
@aristotleasparaguspodcast1129
@aristotleasparaguspodcast1129 7 місяців тому
Louisiana definitely has a history of people who think they have a God-given right to treat other human beings as property, that's for sure.
@benjaminjenkins2384
@benjaminjenkins2384 7 місяців тому
Appreciate the concern from a son of Louisiana
@LB-uo7xy
@LB-uo7xy 7 місяців тому
So you and all the other cowards just want to let those far right people walk all over you and ban everything until there are only a few sanctified by the Pope and Jesus Christ himself books will remain available for kids.
@jeanettemarkley7299
@jeanettemarkley7299 7 місяців тому
You are on the front line, fighting the good fight.
@felixascends4514
@felixascends4514 5 місяців тому
I've seen that having books about human reproductive organs, puberty, sex, consent, and abuse leads to more kids who are being sexually abused to be able to know what is happening to them and then ask a trusted adult for help. You can't tell someone you're being sexually abused if you don't know what sex is. THAT'S why they don't want it taught in schools.
@the_angel07
@the_angel07 2 місяці тому
she touched my head. i told her not to. "you're my property, i can do whatever i want with you." still sends chills down my spine
@YenRestherac
@YenRestherac 20 днів тому
Damn I just turned 19 I'm afraid to cut my hair like I always dreamt of because apparently my hair is no mine, it's my mother's... One day, one day... The dehumanization doesn't seem to stop once we reach adulthood😢
@lamirmagus3594
@lamirmagus3594 7 місяців тому
No, no, they don't want transparency, that's the thing they hate the most, if they know there were trans parents, they would throw a fit
@brigonion10
@brigonion10 7 місяців тому
I don't think so. With "CRT" yeah they want to hide facts, but with trans the fact r in (their mind) still on their side. On this side of the debate gender is based on biological markers and the existence of trans and non binary don't disprove that.
@lukebytes5366
@lukebytes5366 7 місяців тому
literally what i was thinking lmao
@atomicgoblin
@atomicgoblin 7 місяців тому
Ngl, this made me giggle, thank you, as a trans person who's about to be a parent, I needed this little laugh.
@MrMarinus18
@MrMarinus18 6 місяців тому
There was recently a major court case about a lot of actual parents about the lack of transparency regarding the book bans. Many of the banned books were not discussed and parents weren't even informed. MFL just infiltrated the school board and removes books behind people's backs.
@henriquemedranosilva7142
@henriquemedranosilva7142 7 місяців тому
God the phrase parents rights some times feel like hearing someone saying state rights for the civil war
@godofbooks
@godofbooks 7 місяців тому
You can respond the same way too-"Parent's rights to do *what*?" Edit: lmao made this right before I watched the video
@aristotleasparaguspodcast1129
@aristotleasparaguspodcast1129 7 місяців тому
The way they view children is essentially as slaves. They see children as slaves, only to people who they are related to
@yourcollegedebt8384
@yourcollegedebt8384 7 місяців тому
​@@godofbooks"Parents' rights to do what? What do you wanna use those rights for? You usually don't mention that part, I wanna hear it, I wanna hear what you wanna do with them." Very accurate, ngl
@metalbrainmextrememetalent6810
@metalbrainmextrememetalent6810 7 місяців тому
Yeah it does😂 conservatives are nuts.
@trevordillon1921
@trevordillon1921 7 місяців тому
That’s because it follows the same logical line as many similar situations. They wield the idea of their rights as a weapon to take away the rights of others, because they’re entitled (despite their claims that it is in fact their opponents that are entitled), and believe that they deserve their idea of their own rights should supersede the actual rights of others. Parents rights to take away the rights of children and educators, States rights to take away the rights of black people. Apple didn’t fall far from the tree.
@joylox
@joylox 7 місяців тому
I went to a private school, and really noticed this attitude starting when a group of students signed a petition to get better health/sex-ed class other than just a class that talked about puberty and touched briefly on consent. The vast majority of students signed it, a handful of parents did as well, but the parents who were on the board that made the choices said they'd rather teach their kids at home. How many of them actually followed through with that? Maybe two? It was bad, and there was controversy around certain books and stuff, but more the books that were mandatory to read. No one ever said it should be taken out of the school, just that it should be optional, but still, some parents forced their kids to write to the school saying they didn't feel comfortable reading certain books, which wasn't fair. I think one or two genuinely didn't want to, but it was weird. I'm not sure what it's like there now, as these situations took place almost 10 years ago. And I did like the school overall because it was more accessible and smaller classrooms made it easier to get help for those like myself with learning disabilities.
@007kingifrit
@007kingifrit 7 місяців тому
yea they did the right thing by denying you what you wanted. sex just isn't important enough to waste school hours on. its more fun to learn at home
@devindouzstuff_8250
@devindouzstuff_8250 6 місяців тому
​@007kingifrit love practicing with the fam, like they say "Nothing beats experience"
@felixascends4514
@felixascends4514 5 місяців тому
I've seen that having books about human reproductive organs, puberty, sex, consent, and abuse leads to more kids who are being sexually abused to be able to know what is happening to them and then ask a trusted adult for help. You can't tell someone you're being sexually abused if you don't know what sex is.
@sparroweyes498
@sparroweyes498 5 місяців тому
I just got out of high school, and yeah, people were more concerned about the mandated books. But my schools were pretty liberal. I had to ask to be exempted from assignments on books that really disturbed me, (like The Bluest Eye and Brave New World)but that was ME asking, with my mom only helping me get the courage and know-how to advocate for myself.
@007kingifrit
@007kingifrit 5 місяців тому
@@felixascends4514 yea kids don't need to know the details of the stuff to do any of that. stranger danger and "bad touch" are enough
@beeallen2743
@beeallen2743 7 місяців тому
These people need examples of how to teach without indoctrinating, how to protect without controlling, and how to raise without owning.
@Gamer-wj4qv
@Gamer-wj4qv 7 місяців тому
Why won't you give some?
@naolucillerandom5280
@naolucillerandom5280 6 місяців тому
​​@@Gamer-wj4qv we can start by normalizing answering to questions with "I don't know", "it's good for you", "I can tell you later", "you will learn it in school", "let's research it together", or "sometimes people just suck". Instead of "because I'm old and therefore right", or "SHUT UP YOU INGRATE FOOL I OWN YOU".
@Gamer-wj4qv
@Gamer-wj4qv 6 місяців тому
@naolucillerandom5280 outside of pathological cases, nobody thinks they own their children. But the parents know that they are legally responsible for the children's actions. And this level of responsibility warrants a proportional level of control. I've already explained in a comment where I pointed out that the video poster evaded this issue of legal parental responsibility. Parents have rights that teachers and other government agents don't have, because parents have written in the law responsibilities that teachers and government agents don't have. As long you, OP, and the video poster don't acknowledge this issue, none of you want an honest discussion about the rights of parents and children.
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 5 місяців тому
@@Gamer-wj4qv Parents quite literally are not legally responsible for their children's actions though you just made that up. And I'm sorry but why do you think having specific responsibilities gives you the right to control something? That is not how any legal system has ever functioned. Your doctor has very clear responsibilities towards you as a patient and can be sued and jailed for failing to live up to them but that doesn't give doctors any kind of ownership or control over their patients. When the law mandates specific responsibility that is done because it is recognized that this person is in a position of extreme power and thus they need to be held accountable. You don't get some kind of fun little reward just because it's hard to be a responsible person and if you cannot show responsibility without being given a reward then you are not fit for the responsibility.
@Tempest-ec2nn
@Tempest-ec2nn 5 місяців тому
@@hedgehog3180your doctor example is a straw man in that while you are correct that the doctor does have legal responsibility, the events that place him under that responsibility are positive, meaning he has to do something like make a medical opinion, perform a surgery, etc. the doctor does not have legal responsibility if his patient does something, just for what he does to his patient. Or at least in general. Moving to more specific examples, when a doctor can get in trouble for for patient behavior, such as for a mental patient who represents a harm to self or others, the doctor DOES have the authority that goes along with responsibility, in this case the right to involuntarily commit the patient. Parents and children are closer to the mental patient example than the general surgeon or general practitioner example. So yes, parents do have authority over children due to legal responsibility. We can argue over how far and in what circumstances this authority extends, but denying it denies legal fact. Who gets sued when kids damage property for example.
@alexreid1173
@alexreid1173 7 місяців тому
I’m 22 now, but growing up as a trans kid was traumatizing to say the least. Minors have very little bodily autonomy, so even though I had a dozen doctors and psychologists that recommended medically transitioning when I was 16, my mom overruled all of them. I ended up starting hormones on my own a few days after I turned 18. And honestly, my experiences weren’t that bad. I had so many friends whose parents wouldn’t let them defy any gender roles. I knew many teens that kept their trans identities a secret from their parents at all costs because they knew they hated LGBTQ+ people. Several of my friends were sent to “Christian therapy” after coming out to teach them how they were sinning. We had a couple teachers in high school that were very supportive of us. They were mostly English teachers, actually. My sophomore year English teacher was the first adult to ever call me by my chosen name. A couple of them came to support me when I spoke at a rally for trans youth after Trump was elected, which meant the world to me when my parents were still denying my gender. If those teachers were legally required to out us, I think there would have absolutely been a death toll. We already lost one trans friend to suicide after she was outed and sent to conversion therapy. Her family, like many where I grew up, were biblical fundamentalists. It’s still really hard for me to process it all even after I moved out of my hometown to a more liberal and accepting city. So many of my friends are still trapped there. They’re financially trapped and still dependent on their abusive parents to survive. Mine eventually came around and basically support me now (it’s been 7 years, so they decided I was probably being serious I guess). My trans friends and I have talked about doing everything from moving to Seattle to starting a living community with all our queer friends. We’re all still doing a lot of therapy to deal with “parents’ rights.” Sorry for this long ramble, but it’s been a wild ride since I came out in 2016. If anything, it might be worse now since most of the anti-trans legislation right now didn’t exist when I was in school…
@dumbidot1073
@dumbidot1073 7 місяців тому
I hope you're alright ❤
@twilightsilver6230
@twilightsilver6230 7 місяців тому
Fuck, I'm trans and damnit, the fact that there are so many selfish people who do nothing but hate will be the death of us all.
@miajajajajajajajajajo
@miajajajajajajajajajo 7 місяців тому
​@@twilightsilver6230we can change that I hope
@twilightsilver6230
@twilightsilver6230 7 місяців тому
@@miajajajajajajajajajo when the boomer generation dies, there will be less of them. and then we can start making laws that treat us like equals. that will be the start, i hope.
@johannageisel5390
@johannageisel5390 7 місяців тому
I'm so heartbroken to hear that. Maybe trying to set up a community for queer people, particularly queer youth, is a good idea. Maybe that could be a way for your trapped friends to escape. Pool your resources. I hope things become better for all of you. * hugs from across the pond *
@thecupidintraining
@thecupidintraining 7 місяців тому
one frustrating part of children being viewed as property is that when a child escapes an unsafe home, very often they are forcibly brought back to it with little regard as to why they left in the first place.
@TrueEnergizerBunnies
@TrueEnergizerBunnies 7 місяців тому
Uh no. If you tell a mandated reporter that you are being abused. That HAS to get reported to CPS. Whether CPS does anything or not depends but its not because "kids are property". Animals are considered property and theyll be taken away if abuse is proven.
@davidarvingumazon5024
@davidarvingumazon5024 7 місяців тому
@@TrueEnergizerBunnies Click Per Seconds? I get average score with Cookie Clicker, y'know.
@davidlafleche1142
@davidlafleche1142 7 місяців тому
"My parents won't let me hang out in a bar past 10:00. Waaah."
@kylezdancewicz7346
@kylezdancewicz7346 7 місяців тому
@@davidarvingumazon5024 Child Protection Services.
@aRandomFox00
@aRandomFox00 7 місяців тому
​@@TrueEnergizerBunnies "Whether CPS does anything or not depends" And that there is precisely the problem. You can report all you want, but if the authorities are going to do fuck-all then none of it matters.
@justanotherleftie
@justanotherleftie 6 місяців тому
I never understood why parents like this treat children like property. The idea that children and teenagers shouldn't have any rights of their own baffles me
@Rei-invented
@Rei-invented 6 місяців тому
Even and especially disabled kids with additional reliance on others and more care needs (like myself, I'm autistic, I have CPTSD) are whole people with agency who deserve safety and respect.
@thatoneguy9582
@thatoneguy9582 2 дні тому
hey, stupid but genuine question here, what does the c in cptsd stand for that makes it different? is it child?
@Calpaleo
@Calpaleo 7 місяців тому
I was raised with verbal and emotional abuse. When I saw how the “parents’ rights” advocates talked about their kids my brain went “OHH! Hey I’ve seen this one before! This is just dehumanization and abuse masquerading as protection! …oh.” Thank you for making a video about this, it was really well done.
@spiderqueen6865
@spiderqueen6865 7 місяців тому
"OHH! Hey I've seen this one before!..." 🤣 Me too but damn, that reaction is funny. In a twisted wow that never should have happened kinda way.
@balaynganiyebe
@balaynganiyebe 7 місяців тому
@@spiderqueen6865 agreed. talk about looking into a mirror
@grimnir8872
@grimnir8872 7 місяців тому
Funny how it's always people raised with abuse that want the state to be their stand in parental figure.
@jenniferhunter4074
@jenniferhunter4074 7 місяців тому
these conservatives steal our words and re-define them to hide what they really want to do ... abuse. That's the real word that they are trying to hide under "Parental control"? Sure..you have control as a parent. You get to dictate meals and timing and activity. You get to control the environment so that random strangers can't enter. Just approved guest list. But that's what you do for a 5 year old. Nobody remains 5 years old. This is absurd levels of controlling abusive behavior that one would never tolerate as an adult. It's just a clever marketing game so that the other people don't really realize what it is. It's definitely unhealthy behavior. It speaks to certain conditions in these parents that they would want to be so controlling and to not recognize their children's autonomy. The problem with this conservative theft of our words, either by removing them from the public square or re-defining them, is that without words, how can we call out evil?
@ricochet4674
@ricochet4674 7 місяців тому
I had a slightly different experience because mine was far more about manipulation and was never as open as what you're describing. But I dont think I am ever going to stop being mad at them for thinking they know better about myself than I do. Nor being mad at other people who think the same of their kids. I dont understand how someone can grow up as a child and then go on and do this stuff later. Hot take: children have the same fucking rights as adults besides voting and that kinda stuff.
@Piccylo
@Piccylo 7 місяців тому
I noticed it when I was a kid; every time someone says "think of the children!" they really mean "think of the parents!" And I'm nearly 40, so you can see the rhetoric hasn't changed. A non-zero number of parents had kids specifically because they wanted to own humans.
@nics4967
@nics4967 7 місяців тому
So when arguing for school lunch on the grounds of think of the children. People are really arguing that we should think of the parents? Even when they do so as a person without children in a tax bracket that will need to pay more to provide the lunches?
@Piccylo
@Piccylo 7 місяців тому
@@nics4967 Sorry for the misunderstanding; I'm indicating the most common rhetoric of "think of the children" is applied to things like censorship and anti-lgbtq+ legislation rather than things like school lunch or really anything that makes life easier and better for children.
@Walleyedwosaik
@Walleyedwosaik 7 місяців тому
I just pictured the simpsons meme and i giggled
@awkwardukulele6077
@awkwardukulele6077 7 місяців тому
@@nics4967stop pretending to care. You’re just arguing to argue.
@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45
@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 7 місяців тому
I dare not ask these parent's opinions on the 13th amendment.
@catya3668
@catya3668 7 місяців тому
Teaching children to submit to authority rather than thinking for themselves is the opposite of education.
@fanznumber1fan809
@fanznumber1fan809 6 місяців тому
This """parenting style""" has always stuck with me. It lead to me having a fear of adults and a LOT of suicidal thoughts. It made me scared of growing up, because i felt like i would either a) turn out like them, or b) never fit in. It was terrifying, and it still is, but I'm getting better. Being told you're too young or too naive to have an opinion, or just straight-up be told you're subhuman is so scarring.
@Kmn483
@Kmn483 7 місяців тому
If you need to force the school to tell you something that the children aren't comfortable telling you themselves... ...you need to ask yourself why you're not trustworthy to them. Of course, that idea will fly right over their heads.
@laisphinto6372
@laisphinto6372 7 місяців тому
it can also be because schools manipulate children and if you think thats silly you dont understand why schools exist in the first place and it wasnt to teach children but to indoctrinate children to be servants of the state a horrifying example of that is the HJ that indoctrinate children so much that they snitched on their parents to be loyal
@juliusdauksys2183
@juliusdauksys2183 7 місяців тому
​@@laisphinto6372missing the point entirely 🤦‍♂️
@juliusdauksys2183
@juliusdauksys2183 7 місяців тому
Yup, if a teacher is more trustworthy then you fucked up as a parent
@youtubeuniversity3638
@youtubeuniversity3638 7 місяців тому
They think that if the kid's keeping secrets it is becausw The Child Is Evil not because The Parents Aren't Trusted.
@aennaenn7468
@aennaenn7468 7 місяців тому
​@@youtubeuniversity3638 The best part about that, is that even if they're right, that means they're a terrible parent.
@munchkingod6
@munchkingod6 7 місяців тому
One of the maddening cornerstones of this topic is children’s rights to sex education. We have mountains of data. Age appropriate sex education is the single strongest blow against child predators we could make. It leads to kids waiting longer, being more restrained sexually, and being FAR safer when it comes to sex. I think it’s interesting that the people screaming about grooming are the ones who violently oppose the policy that would actually protect kids. Almost like they don’t want their kids protected. Weird.
@InsoIence
@InsoIence 7 місяців тому
It's control. :(
@PaddleboardingFL
@PaddleboardingFL 7 місяців тому
LITERALLY! Time and time again we see that those who are the loudest & most vocal about “saving the children” are usually doing the most harm &/or covering heinous child abuse in their wake. The “#savethechildren” trend was started by a guy found with CP. the new Sound Of Freedom movie was made by a guy who’s accused of trafficking kids / abusing victims of trafficking. People who are against teaching lgbtq+ topics are just afraid their kid will be gay & break from the control of the church. Those who want to keep sex Ed out of schools are more than likely groomers. It’s just sad.
@JohnathanFallSeasonGuy
@JohnathanFallSeasonGuy 7 місяців тому
Also, STI are becoming resistant to antibiotics, I believe it’s because too damn many people don’t know how to prevent them beyond “condom”. Heaven help you if you get an antibiotic resistant STI, you are going to be in a world of hurt.
@badart3204
@badart3204 7 місяців тому
I mean age appropriate is the big qualifier here. People tend to disagree on what that means
@munchkingod6
@munchkingod6 7 місяців тому
@@badart3204 not really. The right just lies about what’s covered or doesn’t care.I’m from Washington state and we passed a big sex Ed expansion a while ago and fuuuck me but it was lied about to high heaven by the right. The content don’t matter, they oppose it no matter what. There is no good faith disagreement on content.
@mangosmooothie4826
@mangosmooothie4826 7 місяців тому
I’m 16 and I do A Level Politics in the UK and in class we were having a discussion on reducing voting age. One guy suggested reducing it to 14, and one girl responded by saying that a 14-year-old shouldn’t be able to vote because they might ‘see it as a game’. This just sounded so odd to me? Like, we’re only 2 years from being 14 ourselves and yet we’ve already been conditioned to see children as irresponsible and not understanding the gravity of situations such as a general election. I’m pretty sure I knew what voting meant when I was 14! This whole idea that children shouldn’t be able to vote because they don’t understand just irritates me so much because a) we/they DO understand, and b) if they don’t understand, then TEACH THEM! Just, idk, the whole idea of children ‘not knowing what they want’ just gets to me. On another note, I’m also trans, and a 16-year-old can legally consent to medical procedures (not that I’m getting anywhere near that with NHS waiting times) and I have begged and begged my parents to let me transition using private healthcare (which I know they can afford, we are very fortunate in that way) but they won’t because they believe I’m too young to know what I want. Despite the fact that I’m actively in extreme discomfort and pain every day :/ idk what the takeaway from that is supposed to be but it just feels like people underestimate my understanding of situations, such as me being trans, despite the fact that I have literally lived this way for years.
@karaokeandrandomclips
@karaokeandrandomclips 7 місяців тому
Would you say the same thing about 14 year olds getting married then? Or joining the military?When you're young, your body/brain is still going through changes, and you don't have much life experience. You'll change your mind on some things as you get older. and you won't think exactly the same as you do now. There's lots of people who regret transitioning years later, so it's good your parents are making you wait. Gender dysphoria can also be caused by things like trauma, abuse, internalized sexism, etc so you should figure out the root of why you feel that way.
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 5 місяців тому
Arguments against letting younger people vote always fall flat to me because they basically always also apply to adults. "Oh they'll just easily be bribed with sweets" like how parties often get elected by promising unsustainable tax cuts? "They can't think long term" literally every single adult of all generations failed to do anything to prevent climate change even though they had been aware of the issue since the 90s and now we're staring down the barrel of our own possible extinction, they repeatedly actively chose to make the environment worse for short term economic gain, the people most active on climate are the fucking children right now. The only possible argument I could might be that a child can't understand all the complexities involved in national politics, but like we could try to stagger things a bit, and also frankly the majority of adults don't either and last I checked voting rights were not restricted behind a politics quiz. Arguably the people who have to live the longest with the consequences of the decisions being made today have an inherent right to have an influence on them. This becomes especially important as medical technology advances and allows us to live longer thus making the voter base skew much more heavily towards those who are no longer active members of society and who will die before experiencing the consequences of the decisions they made. Voting age currently extends towards infinity upwards so I think it's only fair that we start extending it downwards to compensate in order to ensure that our democracy is truly representative.
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 5 місяців тому
@@karaokeandrandomclips There's are pretty big fucking difference between getting married or joining the army and fucking voting, did you even find that strawman convincing yourself? Marriage is an agreement you enter into and informed consent is a thing for a reason, you cannot consent to something you don't understand, similarly the military is the fucking military you nutter, people get killed there. But like last time I checked voting is a pretty mild affair and the worst that can happen is that you later regret your vote but then you just vote for someone else next time, that is literally the entire point of democracy. Also the rate of transition regret is near zero, even middle sized countries like the UK can go entire years without having a single person regret transition. In fact it is so rare that in some countries like Denmark there genuinely aren't any examples. Transitioning and hormone therapy has such a low regret rate that it is almost absurd when you compare it with other treatments, even life saving treatments like chemo therapy or heart surgery have higher rates of regret. It has also never been proven that gender dysphoria can be caused by anything other than gender dysphoria, it is in fact incredibly easy to rule out other things because gender dysphoria is so distinct, what you're suggesting is like saying that a diabetic shouldn't take insulin because it might be caused by a stomach infection.
@lawrencehan463
@lawrencehan463 4 місяці тому
Lmao what a nonanswer
@OrionCanning
@OrionCanning 6 місяців тому
I came to the exact same conclusions, they want to control kids, they want to be able to control what their kids know and think, they want the right to lie to their kids and keep them ignorant.
@stephenwilliams163
@stephenwilliams163 7 місяців тому
Disclamer - I'm not a parent. I am an involved uncle. What I see in this movement and in many parents around me is a failure to recognize that children are not permanent. They are at least partially adults in training. One day every child will be someone else's coworker, neighbor, lover, or friend. It is not your job to keep your children in the dark, to try to protect their innocence for as long as absolutely possible. It is your job to prepare them to be adults, to teach them to interact with the rest of us in a prosocial manner. Schooling is an important part of this. Learning the curriculums, yes, but also how to interact with peers and external authorities and people who are different from them in many ways. This takes parents relinquishing some of their perceived control. Otherwise you children will enter adulthood with the internalized belief that you are the ultimate authority on everything. That is not a kind thing to do to them.
@iboofer
@iboofer 7 місяців тому
It's not a kind thing to do, but many of the ones doing this sort of thing are not kind people. They don't care about the independence of their child. To them the child is little more than a cudgel they can swing against perceived iniquities of the world; a soldier in a neverending cultural war. The children's lives are not their own any more than are their parents'--they are indebted to and on some level enslaved to the *culture.* And the whims of the culture must be served.
@shinyary2
@shinyary2 7 місяців тому
As someone who was homeschooled up through high school, even now, at 35, I *still* have trouble making my own decisions in life without an authority figure to tell me it's the right thing, so I heartily agree with you. Every decision I made was tightly monitored and controlled by my parents, who thought it was love. Making any decision they disagreed with resulted in a painful, humiliating spanking. These days I suffer from pretty bad decision paralysis that I'm in therapy to try to overcome, and I think it's because I was treated this way. If you try to make all of your kid's decisions for them, you end up training someone who is incapable of knowing what they want for themselves in life, and that leads to lots of problems.
@jasonpetitjean8332
@jasonpetitjean8332 7 місяців тому
I was probably 20 years old when I admitted to my parents that I was leaving the Catholic church and that I was atheist. While they were certainly upset and hoped that I would become Christian again someday, they still housed me and provided for me. They never called me stupid and never told me I didn't know what I was saying. They made attempts to convince me to become Christian, but those attempts were always about meeting me where I was without shaming me or threatening me. I still have a great relationship with my dad (my mom has since died), and I will always appreciate that he and my mom handled that news the way they did.
@ThisguySL
@ThisguySL 7 місяців тому
Same. I don't know if I had the best that conservative christian parenting had to offer, but I sure as shit know that it was *FAR* from the worst.
@ericfranklin9905
@ericfranklin9905 7 місяців тому
I find it amazing that this generation finds it appalling when they have push back on decisions they make that are against a families tradition but at the same time demonize the same decision they family makes when they don't agree with the decision or beliefs of said family. Sounds like hypocrisy from both sides.
@SinoLegionaire
@SinoLegionaire 7 місяців тому
I highly disagree with a lot of things this UKpostsr stands for but I also don’t like people who defeat the purpose of conservatism by being lunatics. With that said I want to say I admire you for not being afraid to think on your own as well as your parents for being Christlike.
@dogfaceponysoldier
@dogfaceponysoldier 7 місяців тому
@@SinoLegionaire every side has lunatics. This youtuber included. Would you trust this loon to do law for you?
@SinoLegionaire
@SinoLegionaire 7 місяців тому
@@dogfaceponysoldier which loon? Zoe Bee? No I would not I greatly disagree with her. I’m here to learn what the polar opposite of me believes in and why the believe in the things they do
@lipephrogg
@lipephrogg 7 місяців тому
It's always been like that in my family, if i asked for privacy id be laughed at, if i asked for respect I'd be laughed at. It was so much just for basic human being treatment, it torn my relationship with my brother and mom. Today i don't speak with them even though we usually live in the same house, but they are incapable of seeing me as a real human being with feelings. Don't mean to trauma dump but one example is that I've had a panic attack in front of my mom over something like this, she looked at me and said she felt 0 empathy for what i was "doing". I just dont get how you can treat another human being like that?
@amybe3
@amybe3 7 місяців тому
I’ve been saying this even during my own childhood. I tried so hard to make my mom understand that no, she had no rights to invade my privacy to treat me like property, to telll me I need to be obedient etc. This is exactly how I was treated growing up by my catholic parents. My process of becoming atheist start around age 7 but truly becoming one took about three decades. Indoctrination and trauma and it’s consequences is truly difficult to overcome. Questioning god’s origin was a sin so couldn’t repeat the question. That’s indoctrination. Feeling attracted to girls and boys was a sin, so reprimand my feelings and my true identity was my only choice because I was a problem. These made me believed I was defective, and this is how children mental health issues starts to develop or exacerbate. This is how we learn the wrong way and learn to believe love is control and therefore get into failed relationships with abusive partners. I’m 44 and I’m a mom myself, these are practices I despise and the reason I’m isolated. I won’t raise my kids close to my parents and authoritarian brother who intents to force my kids to hug them!!
@birb7353
@birb7353 7 місяців тому
Childrens rights are what all prior rights movements have been building up to. Civil rights, women's rights, LGBTQ+ rights, they all should apply to children, but they are the hardest rights to protect when the parents of those children are against them.
@synthgal1090
@synthgal1090 7 місяців тому
@@user-ee4pl8js6n It's almost like someone's rights have nothing to do with their faculties, that's the whole fucking point see, you have the right to comment whatever the fuck you want, regardless of how asinine it is.
@byronholt2031
@byronholt2031 7 місяців тому
​​@@hagoryopi2101their right to basic physical care has never been established in the United States
@SleepyMatt-zzz
@SleepyMatt-zzz 7 місяців тому
​@@user-ee4pl8js6nYou remember being a child right? Surely you must have had moments where a parent's actions went against your best interest? Children aren't animals or automations. They have feelings and thoughts. I often meet kids that think more intuitively than most adults I've met 😂
@jeanettemarkley7299
@jeanettemarkley7299 7 місяців тому
@@user-ee4pl8js6n Children have rights that are stated by the United Nations.
@cactus2260
@cactus2260 7 місяців тому
​@@hagoryopi2101american republicans have consistently fought against children's rights to food and healthcare.
@mystman7722
@mystman7722 7 місяців тому
These conservative parents want their kids to be their clones. Their kids must think, rationalize, act and have the exact same beliefs as them. It's a twisted way to immortalize themselves through their kids instead of raising individuals who live their own free life.
@jarofapplesauce
@jarofapplesauce 7 місяців тому
"""rationalize"""
@mystman7722
@mystman7722 7 місяців тому
@@jarofapplesaucelol, because "delusionalize" isn't a word so I had to do with that instead. 😆
@WASDLeftClick
@WASDLeftClick 7 місяців тому
It’s the sad result of a very long chain of the majority of people being raised by bad parents who were raised by bad parents who were raised by bad parents ad infinitum. I think it’s a safe bet that the ratio of bad parents to good parents is in the neighborhood of 60/40 or worse.
@youtubeuserremainsanonymou9022
@youtubeuserremainsanonymou9022 7 місяців тому
So true and this is why Elon is so pissed at his daughter for transitioning. She doesn't feel his compulsion to put X on everything or produce 10 kids and counting
@spaghetto9836
@spaghetto9836 7 місяців тому
You described my father to a T.
@stew963
@stew963 4 місяці тому
Im a person who was taught to respect adults through being screamed at and threatened by adults. I don't respect anyone, im deathy afraid of people. Fear is not respect. I hate my family, hate my teachers ect... But i dont fight them because im horrifically afraid of them.
@jennifersmith4864
@jennifersmith4864 4 місяці тому
All that has absolutely NOTHING to do with a parent's right to have a say in their kid's education. However, you have some serious issues. Seek help.
@NikoN-xw6xy
@NikoN-xw6xy 6 місяців тому
Everyday I’m thankful for the parents I have because if I had a parent who “owned” me, I would’ve turned out a lot worst or not be here at all.
@lakegroce685
@lakegroce685 7 місяців тому
Full disclosure: I find men who force their children to call them “Sir” instead of dad or even father just a huge red flag. Their children not soldiers. And It’s not about love for them, it’s about having blanks slates they can mold into what they want. It’s like the only reason they have kids. It’s absolutely awful. Edit: Wow more people responded to this more than I thought. Nice to know so many people agree. Another red flag I should have mentioned is that when parents say they don’t care if their kids love them and only care if they respect them. Like bro that is your child, the fuck you mean you don’t care if you love you? Why’d you have kids then?
@tizzyhizzy.
@tizzyhizzy. 7 місяців тому
AGREED, forcing your child to treat you like a manager is ridiculous. Parenting isnt professional 😭😭😭
@elizrebezilmadommdo1662
@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 7 місяців тому
Good point. Honestly, I'm from Texas, where calling people "sir" and "ma'am" is considered normal, and even I would feel weird calling my dad "sir". Lol and I think my dad would probably make fun of me if I did start calling him sir. I just call my parents "mom" and "dad". 🤷‍♀️
@Sarah_H
@Sarah_H 7 місяців тому
Those and the men who are very vocal about only wanting kids because they want to "pass on their genes" by having a biological child (usually a son). They don't want a child, they want a tiny clone of themselves that they can live vicariously through, and they'll get downright abusive when that clone doesn't act "right"
@hueco5002
@hueco5002 7 місяців тому
Life has taken my family around the USA and we did a year in “the south”. Strangest thing ever when my daughter came home from pre k and yes ma’amed me. I got that transitioned to “yes please” in a hurry. To me, Sir and Ma’am are formal terms of respect - a type that one must earn. You don’t get it just by being alive and present - that goes for strangers and doubly so for myself and other parents. I hope my daughter never sees me with such formality and whether or not she wants to extend that label to someone else will ultimately be her choice - not some engrained habit to stroke some stranger’s ego.
@ville__
@ville__ 7 місяців тому
Who cares anyway. But I made a video about a girl dylng and she was crying in pain(try not to Laugh video..) ❤
@mrthewhite2620
@mrthewhite2620 7 місяців тому
Parents rights is all about ownership and control of children to ultimately enable abuse of all kinds, mental, physical, and sexual.
@OllamhDrab
@OllamhDrab 7 місяців тому
It's most specifically abou Christian Right supremacism through ignocation and control over education of *everyone* to the extent they can't destroy it completely. THey aren't shy about this.
@calisto789
@calisto789 7 місяців тому
Also restricting the material other parents have acces to for their kids. It's not enough that their kids must be conservative, other parents children must be as well
@Froggsroxx
@Froggsroxx 7 місяців тому
Yep.
@jordanthedragonlady1096
@jordanthedragonlady1096 7 місяців тому
Am a prior teacher, and can confirm that all the students whose parents held these ideals were either the meekest, most anxious kids who would hyperventilate if they strayed from perfection, or were very antagonistic and often got in trouble in school because they didn't trust adults to have their best interests in mind. They either try to be the perfect angels their parents want and inevitably fail, or realize it's messed up and throw all caution to the wind because they know they can't or won't meet the expectations put on them. They get punished either way. I can't imagine being so incredibly self absorbed and detached as to put my notional child through that.
@lastswordfighter
@lastswordfighter 7 місяців тому
You're a liar. Leftists are all degenerates and perverts and criminals.
@wiggletonthewise2141
@wiggletonthewise2141 6 місяців тому
Due to controversy with the moms for liberty group in my town getting on the national news, unknown people have been issuing bomb threats on our schools and teachers homes, the teachers who have pride flags in there classrooms are getting doxed, and death threats, and the mfl people have just been entirely relentless with harassment taward supportive parents, teachers, government and school faculty, but more importantly, us trans and queer kids who now feel unsafe in every possible way. All under the cause for “parents rights”. This is happening in my town, and all over the world.
@wiggletonthewise2141
@wiggletonthewise2141 6 місяців тому
Oh ya, also trying to ban books, basically everything you say about this, they are doing, just goes to show how much of a blatant conspiracy this is
@megatron8449
@megatron8449 6 місяців тому
I'm sorry that you have to go through this, sending virtual hug:🫂
@MrHansBen
@MrHansBen 6 місяців тому
It just occurs to me that our car centric lifestyle gives parents an inordinate amount of control over kid's lives. Suburban living is getting a backlash from all corners of the urbanism debate; from climate concerns to density to noise pollution to physical safety. Now it also seems like suburban living is also one of the best ways to force kids to live their lives in a series of boxes. I grew up in suburbia and it was beautiful, quiet and safe. But I couldn't go anywhere too far to walk, which left the park, one friend's house and the local grocery. Want to see a friend, see a movie, go to do a sport, explore the area? You need a ride from a parent. Parent's didn't agree to drive you, you ain't goin'. This leads to kids going from box to box to box in their daily life long before they hit the workforce. Study in their room, don't make a fuss in the car, be quiet in church, work hard at extracurriculars, make me proud at school. If kids had the ability to access the wider community on their own two feet with a transit card, parents wouldn't even imagine the level of control some of these folks THINK they have.
@Myconaut
@Myconaut 7 місяців тому
I firmly believe parents have no rights. They have responsibilities. The rights-focused 'my kid, my choice' frame of mind is wildly pervasive in our culture, from controlling education/indoctrination, to spanking/physical abuse, and even to perverse levels of circumcision/genital mutilation. Children as a whole are an oppressed minority with no power to act and no voice to speak out against these inhumane treatments, and when no one sees their struggle or hears their cries, it all becomes normalized as status quo. Thank you for speaking out!
@gene6224
@gene6224 7 місяців тому
Yeah, parents - no rights, only responsibilities. Kids - only rights, no responsibilities. Keep that coming, it will be fun to see what will come of it in next 20 years
@DrApocalyptus
@DrApocalyptus 7 місяців тому
@@gene6224 Kids can't have responsibilities if they haven't been given any rights now, can they? A parent *chose* to have the child, the child didn't choose to be born.
@samtheultimateinformant537
@samtheultimateinformant537 7 місяців тому
​@@gene6224is homework and chores not responsibility?
@gene6224
@gene6224 7 місяців тому
@@DrApocalyptus he’s talking parents have no rights, only responsibilities. Why is that? I agree with you that kids shouldn’t have any responsibilities unless they have some rights. But the point that parents should only have responsibilities and to had absolutely no power over his kid is laughable. You can’t just let a kid to do whatever he wants - this isn’t parenting, it’s kids raising themselves. Also it’s funny as hell to see some folks here implying kids in US have no rights. Your country is literally the one with most privileged and entitled kids. Once again - we’ll see what happens in 20 years with all unsupervised kids making some life altering decisions while they’re still struggling with hormone explosion. And somehow some of these decisions doesn’t count as “genital mutilation” mentioned by OP. Also how the first sentence of yours connected with the second one? Again - as an outsider - US kids have tons of rights and diminishing amount of responsibilities. But how does it connects to the second part anyway? No shit, you chose to bring a child into the world and this fact doesn’t give you some ultimate power over them. They’re their own people and should make their own choices and their own mistakes. But there is a line. There are some decisions only adult should make - because it’s a parent responsible for the child until they’re legally adult. It’s not like teenagers gonna simply comply anyway. But you wanna change that - fine, remove all rights and responsibilities from parents and give it to the kids. But somehow you would be against it when kids will have to make their own living. Ah yes, only responsibilities for parents, right.
@gene6224
@gene6224 7 місяців тому
@@samtheultimateinformant537 they are, but you didn’t get my message? My point is that’s it’s laughable when someone saying that parents have only responsibilities and no rights. I’ve extended it a bit further, cause seems like same people think kids only should have rights and no responsibilities. And I mean, isn’t there kids who think they shouldn’t do chores and homework cause their parents have no right to make them do it, and who call it an abuse?
@nedwards1951
@nedwards1951 7 місяців тому
I’m a 72 yo retired teacher who is concerned about what’s happening in education. Parents like the ones you discuss are making the work of educators so hard. Thank you for your videos which explain the situation so well.
@chaimafaghet7343
@chaimafaghet7343 7 місяців тому
Making work harder today, making life harder tomorrow. Fixing the problem one communist shitrag at a time.
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster 6 місяців тому
As a Dutch person, but not someone who teaches, I'm concerned as well: the religious, anti-LGBTQI+ based doctrine is flying over to my country as well, and this year, due to lies spread similarly like done by organisations like Mom's for Liberty, there was a massive hate campaign. According to an extreme-right website, and another super ultraconservative organisation in my country, there were lies spread about children in 4th grade 4 (you are about 7-8 years old here) being taught anal sex, children in 3rd grade were told to start experimenting with their genderidentity, and what not. It led to threats against the organisation who made the lesson materials (and, might I add: age-appropriate ones at that) and it caused heightened police presence in my street because of the (religious!) primary and elementary school around the corner from where I live, because they would be fully participating in a theme week surrounding sexual education for the first time, and had received threats as well as a result. Parents were also shouting how they were going to keep their children home, and were verbally threatening teachers to leave the children alone. This all happened in a country that used to be capable of having pride over the fact that with some subjects, we had a progressive, tolerant view, based on the idea you are much better preparing children for the rest of their life by for one thing, giving them comprehensive sexual education, because research continues to show that the better they are educated about it, the later they start having it, and should problems arise, the better prepared they are. Other subjects were treated with a sober approach to it, and this kind of extremism used to be countered by people making sure to let those holding those views know they were not welcome and should mind their words. The weirdest, and scariest thing mostly this time, was that it was easier than ever to disprove all the lies spread: the lesson materials are made available online for everyone to see, mostly so that parents can check them out so they are prepared about the possible questions their children might have, or simply if their children want to continue the conversation about it upon coming home. But every time you tried, you heard: "They took it out obviously because of all the criticism! Don't you get it!?" Next to this, some talkshows in my country also completely failed to do their journalism right: some invited the "concerned parents" (celebrities, mostly, who with having children of their own decided to help spread the lies on their own social media platform....) and instead of giving them a massive slap in the face by showing all the lesson materials and ask them where the explicit lesson materials were in those packages, these people got a massive platform to spread their lies and "concerns" and "how bad it was that we as a parent are increasingly losing the right and possibility to find out what our children are actually learning in school", and felt a massive justification in believing in said lies as a result. I fear for the next year this theme-week comes around honestly... I am scared a part of my country suffered a massive form of brainrot due to social media shoveling exactly the kind of hateful, anti-gay and anti-trans rhetoric through their mouths and reinforcing "what they always thought was already happening".
@TheInfintyithGoofball
@TheInfintyithGoofball 6 місяців тому
72 years... well that's a long **cking time so I have questions: how was teaching different back then? in what decade did you start teaching? I hope you have a lovely day!
@MichaelWilliams-xs1cf
@MichaelWilliams-xs1cf 7 місяців тому
Honestly, not a bit, I've never heard this perspective before. I just assumed it was fact that I and everyone else were not people until 21 and gone. That there were adults anywhere whose self stated intentions were not literally "control and domination". I'll spare the details, but I had always assumed feeling like property was just the "natural order" and "what all children go through", a "necessary part of growing up". This is the first I'm hearing that there's a life beyond that. If anyone has book or resource recommendations on parenting where children aren't property, I am genuinely all ears and would love any suggestions. Thank you for sharing, and for the work that you do. ✌🏻
@rickzuckett3064
@rickzuckett3064 7 місяців тому
If I've said it once, I've said more times than Jeff Bezos has dollars: Spare me your bs on "parents' rights" until you prove an adult's grasp of parents' REAPONSIBILITIES.
@MrMarinus18
@MrMarinus18 7 місяців тому
I think there needs to be a greater focus on children's rights.
@julybliss4440
@julybliss4440 7 місяців тому
Yes please.
@8is
@8is 7 місяців тому
It's important to note that children can't be consenting human beings and need legal guardians to make decisions for them, so every bit of power taken away from those legal guardians (in the name of children's rights) necessarily empowers the state. The dynamic will always be between parents and the state since both will argue on behalf (and for from their viewpoints) of children and their rights.
@petervizzini4006
@petervizzini4006 7 місяців тому
Yes to protect them from lgbtq
@mghegotagun
@mghegotagun 7 місяців тому
@@8is And as anyone knows from history, to cede more power to the government, and their employees trusting their good intentions is the most catastrophically naive thing one can do.
@MrMarinus18
@MrMarinus18 7 місяців тому
@@8is You're not wrong but I don't consider that a bad thing. Having absolute parental power will further increase the atomization in society.
@martin2289
@martin2289 7 місяців тому
One thing you've got to almost admire "conservatives" for is their ability to coin deceitful terminology that masks their malign intentions.
@armorclasshero2103
@armorclasshero2103 7 місяців тому
They did learn it from Goebbels
@jeanettemarkley7299
@jeanettemarkley7299 7 місяців тому
I do not admire people who have malicious abilities.
@cactus2260
@cactus2260 7 місяців тому
It makes it way more evil since they KNOW what is good and what is popular and that they have to mask themselves as that to do the complete opposite, the right to work bill that busts workers unions, The patriot act that spies on its citizens, the womens rights act that actually just harms women. The list goes on
@brynawaldman5790
@brynawaldman5790 7 місяців тому
Accusation is confession.
@bobmfthomp
@bobmfthomp 7 місяців тому
Helps to have the DEEPEST pockets to come up with this stuff.
@MathematicalVoid
@MathematicalVoid 4 місяці тому
That's probably related to why so much of the right opposes sex education on the grounds that preparing kids for the possibility of attempts at sexual assault counts as sexual assault.
@jennifersmith4864
@jennifersmith4864 4 місяці тому
I would refer you to the recent studies by the Institute of Family Health & the Brookings Institute showing that children raised by conservative families are way way way more mentally healthy than those raised by liberals & other left wing miscreants. Don't confuse parents' not wanting their daughters raped in the girls' bathroom by a "trans-woman" as opposing sex education.
@uninternauta4663
@uninternauta4663 7 місяців тому
I love this! Here in my country all the politicians who are in power are right wing and alt-righ and this subject came to mind since I heard them speaking Fun fact: all the "parents rights" movements are financed by religious organizations from the US
@zephyr733
@zephyr733 7 місяців тому
my mum once stole the emergency keys i gave to other relatives and broke into my apartment and threw a fit of rage as i tried to throw her out and in her blind rage she admitted that she sees me as her property so taking the stuff from MY kitchen is her right
@velocityraptor2890
@velocityraptor2890 6 місяців тому
you could probably have her arrested for that
@bluedye4087
@bluedye4087 6 місяців тому
She should be locked up for that.
@sleepygraves
@sleepygraves 7 місяців тому
I'm not usually one to leave comments but I feel compelled to share. I'm 30 years old and I know that if the "parents rights" movement was as established as it is now when I was a child that my mother would have been on the front lines. I don't want to go into the gorey details but my mom was the type of liberal who proudly spoke against corporal punishment and in the privacy of our home make sure not to leave marks for when I went back to school the following morning. She knew I was gay from a very young age, she always acted like she was fine with it while also trying to convince me that I was confused and too young to know better. She kicked me out onto the street when I got together with the man I later married. Its been about 5 years since I cut my mom out of my life and I'm the happiest I've ever been. I don't live my life in constant fear anymore, I have a family I made for myself from the ground up who love me and support me unconditionally. I'm married with a career and a place to call my own. I've reconnected with the cuture that she kept me from for so long. I have so much peace in my heart knowing that when I start hormones, if she ever were to see me again, she wouldn't even recognize me. I know its cliché but it really... really gets better. If you're young and you're reading this your parents DO NOT OWN YOU. You are no ones property, control is not support, domination is not care. There is love in the world, it will find you and you deserve it. Even if someone tells you other wise, even if you don't believe it right now, you deserve to be loved. You deserve to grow into the person you want to be. Zoey, thank you for making this video, thank you for standing up for those who can't stand up for themselves. Hearing you say "a child's right to safety" hit me right in the gut. I had never heard those words together and the fact thats a concept that's even up for debate is repulsive. And I'm not gonna lie... this video's poem had me crying in the club. If you read all this, thank you, from the bottom of my heart. We'll make this world better for all those who'll come after us. No child should have to live in fear. Peace and love on planet earth 🪱🌱
@thetangaledbug7670
@thetangaledbug7670 7 місяців тому
Peace, Love And Plants
@Purpleturtlehurtler
@Purpleturtlehurtler 7 місяців тому
You are strong and awesome. Thank you for sharing your story.
@LillyTheLonelySock
@LillyTheLonelySock 7 місяців тому
Thank you for sharing, and thank you for the hope and encouragement you give to others. I'm so sorry for the pain you experienced and I wish you all the happiness, love and support you deserve! ❤❤❤
@somtheory
@somtheory 7 місяців тому
Do you know anyone who has set up a system for childs rights? I mean the best case scenario and how to get there with the nechessery failsafes. Becouse talking about that may be populare but the extensivety of waht needs to be done will bore any rally to sleep, also a concreate goal is easyer to work dowords than an neabulus idea and I'm not bothering to think if I would support such a plan if prevention isn't seariusly coverd in it. I now hypokrits are frustrating, so ? .... hope your healthy, meantally to. Still learning sochiall stuff.
@your_achilles
@your_achilles 7 місяців тому
As a trans and queer kid, I really needed to hear this. Thanks so much for sharing, and I really hope you and your family are well!
@hopeloudon6371
@hopeloudon6371 7 місяців тому
I made a lot of these arguments when I was getting my MA of Public Policy abroad, and in my work on children's rights which are abridged by the "parents' rights" to their property beliefs unique to the U.S. Thanks for making this. It is no surprise to me that the objectification of children, and the normalization of power and control, are being used now to severely undermine public education and safety for marginalized groups in general. The U.S. is so sick.
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