uh huh

I was willing that ball on

It mainly knew how to try for strikes, probably because it had way more opportunities to attempt them and the reward was greater. My guess is that the algorithm would figure out getting spares eventually. It'd just take a lot longer, both because of fewer opportunities to learn and because it would always be in competition with continued improvement in getting strikes. A perfect AI would never need to bowl for spares in the first place.

You have no idea how big of a problem that is. If it does one thing so perfectly that it never gets to experience anomalies. That's an inherent problem with fixed data inputs from simulated environments. That's why Tesla is using customer driving data to train their AI, the real-world data is extremely varied, potential inputs are limitless. They are teaching it the entire visual human experience and letting the NNs figure out how to navigate those experiences as safely as possible. It will be awesome to see the final NN in place, planning and control. Exciting.

It's simply not trained to handle incomplete pin sets. Since most of its throws are strikes, and they normally get rewarded more, it probably doesn't find any real value in training that specific rare scenario.

Record it please

you HAVE to upload that PLEASE

Don't forget to use the elasticity of your spine.

Don't forget to add the little swimming on asphalt move

It seems like a perfectly fine technique for a single throw, it just impairs your performance for subsequent throws.

You are gonna love the next video

@@b2stud I bet!

The ending is just spot on!

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extreme demon

LOL

I read this as "bowling professor," and I think that's a solid title for you, sir.

​@guccilibrarian4728 is it not bowling prof?

There's a professor for bowling? 🧐

​@@onlinefriend3889 probably

Is there anywhere I can watch this? Sounds hilarious

@@b2stud The university's recreation department (UVM Campus Rec) has a video of it up here on UKposts, idk where else

I do such on ice even when not trying to bowl.

@@b2stud ukposts.info/have/v-deo/a6iIZKucaa1kzX0.html The ball they use is elastic as hell.

@@ihavenoson3384 "Hey how do we make ice's low friction fun" "How about using a ball that won't even be touching the floor" "but, that defeats the whole poi-" "ELASTIC BALL GO BRRRRRRRRRRRR"

Avoid having the ball hit the lane altogether, just YEET the ball at the pins

isnt that just centripetal force at least in this case?

@@junkyyard2273 I'd say the core idea behind the strategy has more to do with spinning permitting one to hold the ball for longer, thus giving them more time to accelerate it. The centripetal force by itself does not contribute any energy, as it is orthogonal to the velocity.

​@@junkyyard2273yes, but meh

@@junkyyard2273 it might be i remeber hearing centrifugal force isn’t really a thing in physics but I can’t remember the context of it I just know centripetal is the force keeping the object from flying away like a rope or this dudes arm in this case

It actually reminds me of an old gag - the Machuga flop (PLEASE Google that)

That's part of the game, surely?!

he said "nope, that lane's no good!"

That's what makes AI better, it never stops searching for better results, while humans will settle for the best result their mind judges it to be so

@@colinhaml but as said in this video AI does sometimes settle for "good enough"

​@@tanelehala6422that's the age old problem of exploration vs exploitation

@@tanelehala6422 Well here it did because the actual objective wasn't even part of the equation. Should really have started with "kock down these quills with the ball" rewarded and "don't cross that line with your feet" punished. In this case, the AI didn't settle for "good enough", the AI tried to maximize the amount of points it could get, and it was rewarded with points for things that don't grant you any in reality when bowling.

The Jeopardy game show AI (a decade ago) did something similar. After an opponent answered incorrectly, the AI then gave the same incorrect answer.

Pretty much me at the bowling alley.

I sympathise. If you don't get any points for standing up, why bother?

I'd like to see real people bowl with spheres for feet

He just avoids the cameraman at all costs!

yeah seems like he should have rewarded staying upright after throwing more

You know... "Birthday bowling" was a big thing when I was a teenager. I never liked it much really, but here's the thing: Nobody EVER told me any of those things. Everybody was just supposed to know how bowling "works" , I am now a little bit wiser

By the end is when the head being held high should have been started to be rewarded, the importanter shit was figured out from there just condition that model to also stay upright and you’re golden

My mans was created with spherical feet too so I saw it as a fruitless endeavor lol

Yea lol

@@Enter54623 least contact with floor as possible. watch him learn to jump shot a bowling bowl ))

I think a smarter modifier is that it should be punished when it lets it's head, thighs, and torso hit the floor. Though this should also be integrated into it's existing network so it knows how to bowl first.

Same, also I like your name.

are you itchy

@@gabrielharrison9800 why thank you

I read this JUST as it happened lmao

@@PineappleElephant68 yes

Sounds like you are not a serious bowler, the pros use this move on occasion

Not if you want any amount of accuracy.

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Cowards

Speak for yourself

"Yeah, I tried to learn to bowl standing up, but I could never let go of the ball."

Heck, I only know 3 or 4 people that can put up a 130 or better every time and two of them were on a bowling team, I'd lose here 4/5 games for sure. Maybe losing to 'em wouldn't be as bad as sharing the lane with someone who needs an entire ER in the alley after every frame. . .

It is night, I must be quiet. These comments are fucking killing me.

Sure, they might win the game, but then they have to pay their hospital bills.

no one would question this behavior Bowling Alleys are basically bar substitutes. 😆

You too

especially since when it was the 7 pin left he goes wild and chucks the ball into the wrong lane

Had me feeling for the lil bro. Like way to go bud!

I don't want to add an extra like to this, cause you're sitting at 300!!!

@@daveg5857 Nobody cares. Comment likes are not achievements.

@@CooManTunes I said that because 300 is a perfect game in bowling.

That's because those concepts are holding you back

To be fair people who don't play bowling are like the first neural net. Source: Myself.

it might be better than you at bowling, but you are probably better at not flopping around like a fish on the ground after every throw.

@@BrowncoatFairy overrated skill tbh

@@ARVash It's amazing how self-existence (not even preservation) is such a limiting factor to so many amazing skills.

Is.. is that legal?

@@tangentfox4677 It doesn't appear that the United States Bowling Congress, at least, has explicit rules which would cover doing so, though it seems likely to run afoul of rules regarding damaging the lane, pins, and other equipment.

@@coyoteseattle I suspect it's not in the rules because nobody thinks a human capable of it... For now. I eagerly await the screams of dismay from my local bowling alley the day they realize they were wrong.

​@@karnewarrior apparently an olympic shot put weighs 16 lbs.. bowling balls typically weigh less than that, they're just bigger I guess- still seems pretty doable when you consider how far they're able to throw a shot put

@@karnewarrior You can absolutely chuck a 8 lb bowling ball down the lane without it touching the ground, but don't expect to not get kicked out after doing it.

oooooh so that's why i'm so good at bowling

"the man who is willing to commit suicide has the initiative" is a common phrase in Russian bowling leagues

A 6 year old relative of mine used to bowl kind of like that. In order to get enough ball momentum he usually ended up falling down after release. It became part of his technique. His parents were used to his dare-devil energy in general such that they gave up trying to tame him. When you're 6, you can get away with that. (When he's 55 and his back aches, he might remember why.)

This makes me want an olympic bowler to perfect a technique that looks this dumb and win with it. Maybe keep it in their back pocket until they're ahead enough that they can take the risk.

@@macaronandcheese1811 LMAO!

Average Tuesday night for me

2038 moment

Using AWD after you drunk too much... know these days...

Wii sports also does it, which the final result is entirely mimicking (for anyone who hadn't figured that out)

It's like it's saying "bruh..."

@@FairyNuffMuffin2 I loved how he included the backward-roll and the crowd yell at the end. Nostalgia hahaa

Not gonna lie, I got way too distracted by the $33 jellybean on sale at the bar.

☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

Can you imagine being a ball person and just watching this dude spazz out in the bowling alley for like a week?

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@@Jokoko2828 : *I would be more upset the AI was throwing my buddy around.*

We used to take a youth group bowling, some of the kids were only 6-7 years old and they would either forget to release the ball or try to really heave it hard. Half the time they ended up on the floor. But everyone had fun.

Sorry to break the news to you like this... Your friend is an AI...

Your friends group sounds like a riot 😂

liar

Imagine having your claim to fame that you could out-bowl your friends, but have to fall over and embarrass yourself in order to do it.

​@@B3Bandwould you rather...?

10:50 is even better he just slams his face into the ground the moment the ball lands

If left for a long time it would have absolutely ended up abusing the physics engine somehow. But the more important point is correctly defining the rewards. Number of knocked down bowling pins should absolutely be a multiplier on the score. Zero pins = zero score. But even then knocking down half at superspeed might give more score that knocking down all at low speed, which is still stupid.

*Clips ball into chest* *Launches ball directly into pins at mach 6*

Me when I play games.

Would have had to program a trip to the gym between frames.

Was waiting for this comment lol

Imagine if anyone makes a 0-10-0 on the 10th.

Always keep them guessing

It's like the nerves really got to him

I personally enjoyed the spare pickup on the 8th.. just "nope f this roll".

pretty accurate lol

Best we can offer is $17/hr

The only reason to pay that much is if he had fifteen years of experience. Give him the entry rate of 16.50.

@@wangsunfuh8889 I think youtube+patreon pay out a lot less than that, unfortunately.

@@dakodahuber 17/h sounds a lot man, where do you find these clients? 😛

Would watch

Might I suggest the AI vtuber that is constantly learning: Neuro-sama!

@@comicsans2516 she doesnt do bowling tho

@@nickku_ Just tell her creator to get on it. He already did it with among us

​@@dean_l33 Vedal would rather spend the time making her troll better

yeah. Its mostly about you.

Dunno,, I think the programing of the pins may have been off a bit or something. As you said, that ball was in the spot needed to make the spare. I typically aim to the other side of the front pin in that situation to get more direct pin movement backwards to get the sleeper. But the shot the AI took should have taken down more than the front pin.

That's not how engineering works! You keep trying until you run out of money, then ask for more. Sell exclusive merchandise to your fanbase for a quick boost of revenue. Launch one of your products into space for free direct promotion using your actual products. Have a plan and be prepared to change it, often.

A reminder that computers are stupid, and we expect a human brain to be able to overcome challenges an AI consistently fails at. Example: throwing a ball without committing ones face to the floor in holy matrimony.

Mate, just spent a lot of time alone

​@@b2studAI bowling tournament?

@b2studios If that's all it takes then I should be a professional by now.

​@@b2stud then why am I not good at ai already?

@@b2stud unsupervised learning ...

It is perfectly legal for a bowler to throw the ball directly at the pins. It could even be thrown overhand.

There are different league sanctions, but most require you to hold the ball a certain way and throw underhanded. You can even be disqualified for not putting your thumb in the hole. Of course, if you are open bowling, you can do anything you want short of violating the house rules.

@@nomisukeindustries Neither USBC, BTBA, nor World Bowling make any such restriction.

@@nomisukeindustries As has been stated, most major bowling organizations don't restrict how you throw. If someone was extremely good at throwing overhand, they'd be allowed to do it.

@@merp9610I would pay top dollar to see this

Is that a reference to something? I don't understand

@@b2stud I think it's just a joke about the mistakes the AI makes while learning. And I'm waiting for the AI to throw the ball up or down, or kick it out of the world.

It's a reference to bowling the ball backwards in the game franchise Wii Sports which in some games makes the NPCs there spin in reaction to the ball.

@@Nukhebuk what is Wii Sports?

@@b2stud First I have to assume that you're joking, and that you mention Wii Sports in the video. But incase you really are serious, Wii Sports is a franchise of games originating on the Wii (A Nintendo game console) that include the original Wii Sports, Wii Sport Resort, (which I think the original comment is referencing), and Nintnedo Switch Sports, which I haven't played and I don't know if it features the Mii characters that do the spinning in the bowling games. Now I just have to hope I haven't made a fool out my self but who cares anyways. Can't wait to see some bowling shenanigans.

Wait istg I've heard smth like this before. What's it a reference to?

​@@crusatyr1452 missile kalman filter video?

But a ball with spin on a complex axis (not just one of the X, Y, or Z axes) will follow a nonlinear path, as the spin axis itself is re-oriented by its friction with the floor. There would need to be some sort of polynomial algebra involved to solve for this differential, as there are a lot more than two variables (matrices, consisting of movement vector, gravity vector, spin, and floor-contact friction, in this case)

@@revimfadli4666 idk what that is ._.

@@crusatyr1452 Missile Guidance for Dummies

comedic slowness

I was just impressed it actually went all the way to the pin

A sprite is a 2D game object

I think the pathetic thunk of the single pin being knocked over helps

​@@The-EJ-Factor 🤓 They were talking about the drink.. 🙄

the whole 9 frames has look & feel of wii, from the semi-transparent bowler to the other players sitting, the visuals on strike/spare, the pin inset in the corner...

10 frames duh

the song that plays after, as well as the ui, is all also a reference

This is number 22

So Plague Inc. then?

Also turn that into 2 AIs and make them mice.

Ok pinky

​@@youtubeuniversity3638 Or, god forbid, Grand Strategy games.

Lol that is so relatable

for some reason this reminds me of rtgames john golf bit

I was thinking more that the product of the rewards lead the doll to the behavior "aim straight, since spin is sufficient for deviations from a straight path". The doll is right-handed, so 10 pin? No problem. 7 pin? Spin it, but do not release the ball at an angle, because that virtually always leads to a bad outcome.

It's too funny! One too many drinks for this guy.

Same! I haven't laughed that hard in months!! 😂

I'd be exhaused too if I were an AI under his command.

Good Idea, but 1. b2 doesnt own the rights to YOMIH 2. YOMIH is very complicated, even compared to stuff like this, as it has many, many inputs and outputs that would need to be considered 3. b2 would have to program his own version of YOMIH in order to give the AI precise inputs such as the velocity and position of the players, and it would be very difficult to make a good recreation as b2 wouldnt know the numbers to throw in for YOMIHs engine 4. The computing power required for this would also be insane, as the AI would have to predict every single scenario and weigh the likelyhood of whats gonna happen, and somehow decide as to which move would be the best, which would also require looking even more moves in the future in order to correctly see if the enemy would be able to retaliate easily, or if the AI would be able to combo them. YOMIH does seem like a good game to train an AI for, but even after hundreds of hours being put into making it, i doubt the AI would even be able to pull off basic combos, and thats not very good material for a video.

Toribash seems like a good candidate: * f2p for the past 16 years, * Input interface is 20 joints with 4 possible states each. Not a small space, but simple to handle and discreet, * Observation space is continuous - with position, angle (and speed) of all body parts, * Leans into the theme of this and the previous video - 3d ragdoll physics

And the ideal end is to be able to pit two of these bots against each other and have them play real-time matches.

@@Snowowowie 1. Didn't realize that was a requirement. Why didn't that apply for all the other established games he's done videos for? Monopoly in the creative commons? 2. I have seen AI take on the likes Starcraft and Pokémon, complication is only a matter of his system's capacity. 3. I know that is not a strict requirement by virtue of the other games he and others have tested. It is a requirement for lesser systems, but it's far from an absolute. Even if it was though the good thing about it being a turn-based fighting game is that most of the values are evident up-front, and we've already seen him crack into games like Rocket League for specifics. 4. That is the same problem for every turn-based game from as early as chess. The goal is not to plan out every move, it is to select the most optimal within a range for the immediate situation. As for how it judges that, that's were the machine "learning" comes in, along with some basic conditions to define value. Throw moves at the wall and see what sticks. As for the computing to understand the moves, Yomi Hustle already has a built-in system to literally let you check every single move down to its frame data against every single one of the opponent's, might ease up on the burden. Yomi Hustle is only complicated in a vacuum. As long as it has the capacity comparable to that which learns the most traditional of board games, after hundreds of hours it would probably look just like them: practically impossible for humans to beat without handicaps.

​@@Snowowowie I mean, unity remakes seem feasible to him

Same...

Still waiting

Me too

I missed the premier

did you practice during that time?

You’ll be floored with the results.

Coincidentally, you also won't be able to stand afterwards.

What about a movie like Real Steel but instead of boxing it's robot bowling and they have to bring a geriatric bowler out of retirement to shadow bowl with his junkyard bot

I once bowled a few games next to a group of small children who were deliberately doing this.