Ngl i've already watched this video at least 7 times in the last 2 days while Also watching a lot of the other ones and i gotta admit this Is One of the best channels here on UKposts and in the for Honor community

Astrea forced her enemies into doing what she wanted. Apollyon manipulated her enemies into wanting to do her will.

Y'see, Astrea is the Kylo Ren to Apollyon's Darth Vader.

apollyon: “im racist when i need to be.” astrea: “im racist and nobody can stop me.”

I feel like if Apollyon came back to see what Astrea was doing in her name she'd be disgusted

I always interpreted "the weak" as the cowardly warriors, and wannabe soldiers, not as the common people.

"You don't *fight* the weak! You subjugate them!" Spoken like a true Overlord omg 😂

Apollyon is my favorite villain in Media. Strong, Evil, Motivated and most of all She knows what she’s doing. Not to mention arous-

When you describe Astrea twisting Apollyon's ideals to further her own ends, I get the feeling most people will see this as a shortcoming of her character. But personally I find it really interesting. The idea of someone taking a villain's ideals that they knew were popular, and using them to help themselves is pretty clever. It makes Astrea more complex, not simpler. She's taking something that she knew worked in the past, and using it again as a tool to help herself. If twisting another villain's ideals and motivations to help yourself achieve power isn't villainy, I don't know what is. It makes Astrea seem sacrilegious in a way, almost disgusting, and I love it. A villain using another villain's beliefs purely for their own benefit is cutthroat

*Apollyon to Astrea be like* : _"You were never one of us. You were nothing but a usurper, a false idol."_

Astrea was never truly meant to be Apollyon. I saw this very early in one simple statement: "the God horkos told Astrea to continue Apollyons work." that simple statement told me all I needed to know. astrea isn't Apollyon she never intended to be Apollyon (nor is she a die hard Apollyon fan girl, so I agree that they wouldnot like eachother much their ideals share the same base but their end goals are very different), But to use Apollyons ideals to please her God and in my opinion to prove to herself that she is capable of creating a world fit for the truest heroes, because it states in a lore order "Astrea did not hate gryphon and the alliance. She saw them as tools to test and strengthen her ranks. The last obstacle before the coming of a new era for the most deserving warriors of heathmore" it is her belief that "some are born to rule while others were meant to serve." "A constant struggle was the only way to keep the strongest at their rightful place" me personally I'm glad Astrea isn't a copy and paste Apollyon, it gives her a chance to become her own character, but atlas the game writer isn't the best so I doubt she'll be able to write astrea in way that makes her become her own character that would satisfy the fan base

The new story writer doesn’t know what she’s working with most of the time anyway, so I‘m not surprised

The Virgin Horkos Fan vs. The Chad Idealist War Enjoyer

The dichotomy of leadership: the false leader, too arrogant and lustful for power (and in astrea's case quite possibly insane since she is basically a cultist), and a true leader, proud but not overbearing, and only wants to see their ideals to the end. Whether they were good or bad ideals does not matter. This is why I love the Apollyon vs. Astrea comparison. They're both good in their own right, and they do what they do best. One is tyrannical and lustful who really makes you want to wish she would die to bring the violence to its end. The other is clever and idealistic, someone you know should die, but is too interesting to make that choice easy. And in the end, Apollyon will always win, for she accomplished her goals even after death. That's the perfect martyrdom (if Apollyon even cared for religion). What will happen to Astrea if she dies? All of her work will fall, and her goals will be destroyed. A disgrace to her own religion she fought for. A perfect story of two sides of the same coin.

Astrea see's Apollyon's ideals at face value, which I think is a bi-product of apollyons death leaving astrea with no mentor. She pursues goals that Apollyon may have, but she doesn't have the full context to them and has to assume why Apollyon did them, a perfect example being the separating the weak from the strong, Apollyon did it because she wanted the strongest of each faction to go to war with each other, Astrea does it because she thinks she's supposed to amass an army like Apollyon's black stone legion. Similarly she may have never questioned Apollyon's previous crusades against the other factions and assumed Apollyon loved war and just wanted to conquer all.

Apolyons idea with the Vikings being that you burn all their food they rallied together you burn some of it and they will fight each other for the scraps makes sense with this the order for horkos took everything over and tried to make or continue some perpetual war in so resistance has risen and will likely attempt to defeat them

Holden: "I'm betraying you! Heres a catapult!" Apollyon: "Bout time tin man!"

"I am not the darkness, I just reminded you the darkness was always there" OMG THAT LINE WAS BEAUTIFUL

You deserve the entire for honor community watching your videos

Astrea is Jared Leto joker and Apollyon is Heath Ledger Joker. It’s not about the strong and the weak, it’s about sending a message.

I feel like it’s more Apollyon POTENTIALLY could’ve been one of the best villains in media. She genuinely was a big threat. She knew how to manipulate people, she could fight, and while there were a couple bullshit moments where she should’ve dropped from the stab wound, she was still an incredible villain for what little time she had. It also sucks because she’s the first female villain in a long time that I (personally) have seen. She was a great example of character first, characterization second. But then they killed her way too quickly. It honestly upsets me, looking back, with the right writers, she had the potential to be even better than Vaas or Pagan Min, yet she dies in a 4 hour campaign.

Heathmoore: has constant war for 1000 years with no end in sight Apollyon: this is too peaceful

I did think if Apollyon was still alive, she would have join chimera alliance and fought Astrea.

I think what would make Astrea more appealing is knowing who she was before took on the role of Apollyon. Where she came from. How she knew who Apollyon was. Why she looked up to her visions. Etc...

Actually, touching up on Astrea’s misuse of Apollyon’s phrases/actions, she fucks it up even more as, to quote Apollyon, “Do you know how to tell predator from prey? You can’t of course, unless you see them in war” meanwhile Astraea is waging war on all of the weak, while not being abled to tell who is weak and who’s not immediately.

And this is why I will always follow Apollyon.

The more you think about it, the more For Honor’s lore and characters are more interesting that what you initially thought.

I could be wrong but I feel like Apollyon wanted to die. It just bugs me that the orochi beat her, even he/she says apollyon is more skilled. I also feel like as long as she was alive the factions would unite so when she died they wouldn't have a common enemy and fight each other

Honestly, apollyon really deserves a film trilogy, this would be insane!!!

Apollyon is honestly the reason I feel I love this game the way I do. The core combat is excellent, the concept of For Honor is great, and while the story was a coin toss, Apollyon was the constant peak. Everything with her was golden, and she deserves to be talked about next to Vas and other great video game villains. I do hope we get more lore and story of these two, Astrea is entertaining in her own right

Your content is the reason why I have grown to appreciate the story and lore of for honor.

5:07 "oOOO I HAVE A BIG FLAIL WARDEN, OOOO"

I don't think Apollyon is a villain, rather an antihero. In the end she aimed to preserve her own people in a very conflicted time of a very conflicted world. Astrea abolished a chance for peace, which is what makes the difference. When Apollyon delivers her last few lines before her death, there's a slight tone of regret or grief to it, at least in my opinion. I'm curious how would Apollyon react if she lived to see the Truce of Wyverndale, maybe she would even embrace it herself. That'd be an interesting turn of events and could be a foundation for an interestic redemption arc. That is of course, if she would've survived.

Apollyon, aka War Mommy “Please step on me”

I'd think if Apollyon met Astrea, seeing all she did in her name, first thing said to her would be: "You wield the spirit of a wolf, but have the drive of a sheep."

I love how you said “or maybe I just look to deep into things” after dropping that bomb of a speech

I know apollyon is dead but now i want to see is a fight scene from apollyon vs astrea

The only reason why i like the continued multiplayer lore of the story is because of you. You just gained me as a subscriber and yes appollyon is the superior villain in my opinion

A thing I noticed about Apollyon is that she never monopolized the Wolves. It is clear in the way she regards Holden. I think she called him a traitor in one of the observables, but I never got the feeling that she regarded him as a betrayer. While she rejects peace, she seems not to regard either Holden, Warden or Orochi as idiots for seeking it. I find it hard to believe that she didn't hear about Warden's departure (since Story Campaign spans over a couple years), but she doesn't send anyone to deal with Him or Stone, Mercy, Cross. I don't think it just comes from the fact that she expected them to start the new War, but also out of her respect for a Wolf's choice. The only person we know Blackstone Legion hunted down that was a traitor is Daubeny, but he is allowed to escape death thanks to Trial by Combat. This could simply be an instance of Holden going against the original plan, but the word of Daubeny surviving must've gone out and, seeing how he spent many years sitting comfortably in the Knight's Arena Throne, it seems She has lost interest. And even then, Daubeny was a thief and an instance of a Sheep playing a Wolf, so he's irrelevant. I have never got the feeling of respect towards people who think different than Astrea from Her. Gryphon has already proven he's not a Sheep, Apollyon wouldn't allow a Sheep to be so high in command (again, she hates Sheep playing Wolves), but Astrea is convinced, or convincing her soldiers that he is a Sheep and more commonly that he is weak, which as we all should know by now, is not true. And I don't think that's a flaw either, it's understandable that she would be different from Apollyon. It's just that every time I see someone bend somebody else's legacy to fit their own narrative, I can only thing that it's predatory and disgusting (2 words that fit Astrea so yeah). And also, this is a really good video, keep up the good work.

I was expecting this to be a Darth Vader vs Kylo Ren type of video, color me impressed

remember folks Chimera is an alliance. an alliance of warriors of different forces, all who in a way still have bad blood with each other, though dependable, their is a chance that they will fight each other after the death of Horkos.

Apollyon I would definitely say is a better villain than Astrea but Astrea I would say does have potential but I honestly think that potential is going to go to waste.

You know what would be really cool. What if dragonite has the ability to allow the user to speak to the dead and choose who to speak to. We can have it where Astrea speaks to Apollyon and Apollyon speaks back to her and says the things you've said in the video. But it can only be achieved by waiting for a special event, when the moon turns red. Making halloween a lot more canon

I just want to say..thank you. I have been defending Apollyon’s views how she sees life and others just see her has the bad guy but she had a purpose and you explain it so well. I have a love hate with Astrea because its like shes perverting Apollyon’s legacy. Just thank you so much. This had me tearing up

Going with that vision of how Astrea is compared to Appolyon and how she would probably hate her for pretending to follow her plan but in a way she would probably despise, actualy makes me even more happy that i went back to get all my knights to look like Blackstone again because it brings me my own touch on a Blackstone legion remnant group going against Horkos not to stop them for peace or anything like that but to actualy save Appolyon's true ideology. With that said great video i am really liking your content, i only recently been watching your videos a lot and will surely continue to do so, your making amazing content and not just for For Honor keep it up !

I love the evilness to Astrea she’s a badass but ur right Apollyon is the scary one because she’s not just evil she’s smart she has a purpose to her acts Astrea just wants to kill and seek power 💯

I gotta say, I never thought for honor’s villains and lore had such deep ideals and methods, thank you for showing it, I now have a lot more appreciation for Apollyon.

Imagine if this was a three way war? Appolyon actually survives and sees what astrea is doing and joins chimera? I’m reality I just want more appolyon

So Apollyon is basically Darth Vader while Astrea is Kylo Ren.

This line from an anime kinda describes Apollyon and Astrea. “This new rage consumes everything like a calm deep sea. His old rage would have destroyed everything in his path.”

this is giving me real Darth Vader and Kylo Ren vibes

My favorite part of the video is when that one soundtrack of Hellsing is used near the end, "To The Night Of the War". With how close the Major and Apollyon are, it fit very well and add an even deeper feeling of Dominance over Astrea. But in the end, to talk about the video, what we are left to wonder is: Is that the goal of the writer? Does the writer really want to bring a false Apollyon and will play along that in the future of the story and explain how it's because her view is distorted from Apollyon that it will bring her downfall, or, was it almost completely random and they just thought "hey female armor apollyon go brrrr". That being said, I would LOVE if some of soldiers that were in the ranks of the Blackstone Legion that joined Astrea would see how wrong she is about Apollyon's ideals and from that either try to overthrow her or, hell, maybe even join Chimera. But right now really the only thing I see for the future is that Y5S4 will be in the start or middle of the cataclysm, and Y6 will bring back "OG" For Honor. Just imagine if after all those stories about Draconite, clans, beliefs etc... everything just crumble down like it did 1000 years ago. And as we start up the game in Y6S1, the only thing to see in the background would be a devastated field with a puddle of water on the ground as a symbolic of the very first reason they all started to fight. Really, to me, that would be the best thing they could do. Reset everything.

This made me take a complete 180 in my loyalty,before I was with the order of horkos but now I’m with the chimera to honor Apollyon

You know I never really thought about all of this when it came to the two characters but this makes a lot of sense. Great video! Love your channel! 🤘🏻🔥

There is so much emotion in your words, i love it ♡

Never really thought of for honors story like that but this made me love it a 100% more. Great vid man def got my sub for that.

OMG!! This is soo spine chilling, I love how he explains things, Apollyon is my favorite villain of all, I'll always follow Apollyon

This sounds very philosophical and can be analyzed philosophically dude this is just amazing

I swear this is one of the best for honor explaining videos ive ever seen totally deserves more subs and views

Excellent video!! Looking forward to the next one 🔥🔥🔥

This makes me wanna play it for the story now. I hadn't realized it had a story like this

I never realized how incredibly well written apollyon is Awesome video, man

This was dope. Glad it popped up I’m my recommended.

Never thought about for honor lore like this. Never put so much thought into it. Nice job. Great analysis

I like to think that this is why warmongers have chimera based armor and such, because they also realized these points and were , like apollyon would be, disgusted and so they betrayed horkos to Chimera to purge their order of its false prophet.

I love this video. Its soo thorough and well written! I hope for more of these brilliant thoughts of yours. ^w^

It’s been a WHILE since I’ve played For Honor, but it’s moments like THIS where I wish that they had something similar to MK voice/opening lines in the 1v1. I seriously want to hear Apollyon just.... tear into Astrea. She’s always been my favorite For Honor character and part of the reason I picked it back up after... 2-3 years (granted I fell back out of playing it but that’s hopefully going to change when I have the time). Anyway, great video! One of the few times I’m happy about YTs algorithm. Have a great day!!!!!

Very solid points, Good sir. I will say, I have never thought about the possibilities of what would happen if Apollyon would have met Astrea and I must say I love the end theory.

This isn't the usual for honor content, I like it

Something about this guy makes me want to watch his video even when I've wanted to play for honor the entire time. Well done

I LOVE THIS THEME AND SUBSCRIBED TO YOU BECAUSE OF IT! 13:13

Can we acknowledge this man makes it sound like a documentary and its so nice to listen to his voice

I would like to hear Gryphon (holden cross) story and encounter Astrea from her evilness.

I never thought that much about it...but yeah, I you're right... and I love it

Bro this was amazing put together!

keep making more of these!

Great video, keep it up! Congrats to 2k subs btw

As unlikely, cliche and maybe characteristically unlikely it would be, this video makes me wish that Apollyon somehow survived and had lied low for years, and then joins forces with Gryphon to attempt to take Astrea down.

This was so interesting and mind blowing, definitely subscribing!

Bro, the Light music kicking in is perfection!!

Dude , you deserve much more support than this

I wish Apollyon didn’t die or like she came back to kick the shit out of Astrea

Such a well done and explained video great job dude.

You got me subscribed this video was everything I hoped for

Apollyon is the superior Villain. This video inspired me so much and reminded me of why I love and always will love For Honor. For all it's bullshit and cracks in the lore, it tells a story, and it's a great one. I never really put much thought into Apollyon's character back in my first, or even second play-through of the game's main storyline, but this video really shed the light for me on how complex and well written as a villain she actually is. You're right, Apollyon is the superior villain and you're also right in saying that a good villain isn't just someone who ruins lives and kills babies. A good villain is someone you can understand, even through all the bad shit they do. A good villain is someone you can respect past all the heartache and misery they've caused. Apollyon is one of those villains. I have created something of my own medieval world in my head that I hope to make into games, books and watchable content one day and this just inspired me greatly to create a likeable villain. A villain you can respect. Thanks so much man, you are fantastic and a great storyteller.

This is much cooler than the game itself lol nice job bro 👍🏼

Your content is great and your soundtrack choice is patrician

Your videos are so deep man, I... I really love them, nice work!

Y'know, this really put it into perspective for me. I always thought For Honor's story was just simple, did enough to get the job done, but nothing to write home about. But Apollyon at least was quite well written. Even to the point where I, with all the puzzle pieces in front of me, never put it together.

Wow... i never thought of it like this until i saw this video , i always thought appolyon and astrea were the same thing until now.

This channel definitely needs more subs

Just got back into for honor. I'm so bad now 😂. Great video man kepp it up

Astrea seems like the type of character that acts as a pupil or admires Apollyon and wanted to continue her work, but misunderstood her message and ideals. The type of character thinks she is doing what her master, her idol would do, but completely missed the mark on what she did, what she meant, what her message was. That's why she fights similarly to her, why she looks like her, why she preaches about War. She thinks she is following in Apollyon's footsteps but is in fact completely wrong

They need to bring Apollyon back to just cut down or cast out Astrea

Having it all layed out like this is amazing and I see your point about their differences. Also ironically or Unironically Astrea’s (Ast-reea) name is a pronunciation variant of a Greek goddess of justice named Astrea (Ast-ray-a)

Holy crap you explaining apolyon sent shivers down my spine

9:50 An axe an shield Viking ! We’ve been asking for that since day one wtf ubi

I love the lore, but I'm just more happy that I'm now able to have a "black knight" with a giant 2 hand broad sword lmao.

One of the best for honor channels out there keep it up

I love the For Honor story so much, Thank you for create these videos