Agreed. $500 for a 1TB SSD in 2024 is a joke.

exactly, Apple is just insanely priced. To the point where I figured hey I can make a small form factor PC build with great cooling, 64GB and an 13600k for 1250 or buy a M3 pro macbook for 3500 and get less for way more... hmm.

@@wyntje83 price comparison of a tower to a laptop is a bit odd. 64GB and for instance a 4090 in a non cheap plastik Windows Laptop is also way over 2k

@@Heimdall-hb5iti completely agree... Maybe comparing it up a surface laptop or XPS maybe... But of course you can build a desktop for less... But building one better than an M series Mac mini at the price point that is as powerful would be a more accurate comparison and quite the feat

Apple makes their money off hardware unlike android or some other makers who undercut the device cost and then sell your data or include bloatware. Memory upgrades are expensive but I'll happily pay as their hardware lasts for years. I speak from experience and as someone who switched from Windows to mac. Some software things confuse me but overall I would have a hard time going back to a PC. Build quality, battery life, and day to day usability are amazing.

LOL, They'll reduce the price of each incremental upgrade by 20% in the M4 generation if sales stay weak and everyone will praise them for it, even though the bulk cost per GB of DRAM and NAND flash has already dropped by more than 60% since M1 and likely more like 70% by the time M4 is released.

Also by today's standards, 1.6k dollars base model should give you at least 16GB RAM and 1TB storage. 8GB of RAM is a big no for a "pro" machine

@@sihamhamda47 Dell's Alienware a don't do that for the price. Alot of high end PC's are expensive as well.

You all seem to be missing the point about why Apple's RAM and SSD are worth the cost (and I'm saying this as a Windows user). From what I understand, Apple custom designs their RAM and SSD to work specifically with their chips and hardware, so a lot of production costs go into that. My dad works in the design sector for companies like Apple and Microsoft, so I have some insider knowledge on this. Meanwhile, with Windows, there are tons of brands competing, so they can just slap in off-the-shelf NVMe SSDs and call it a day. But even with that said, I'll admit Apple's pricing is still crazy expensive.

@@abhidatta_b9227 no dude, that's the marketing... They don't design RAM or solid state storage. They buy the same RAM chips for their MacBooks from Micron or Samsung to solder directly to their motherboard that Corsair buys to solder directly onto a DIMM. There are tons of other non-Apple laptops that also solder the same RAM chips to their motherboards as well. Apple buys the same DRAM chips, doesn't have the added cost of DIMMs and can technically run the memory speed a bit higher soldered closer to the CPU than when using the same DRAM on a DIMM/SODIMM slot, but with their buying power and not needing additional boards and RAM slots, it costs Apple much less per GB for RAM than Dell or ASUS would have to pay using SODIMM at the same capacity, like at least 30% less or more given their buying power. There is a difference with SSD, but it's not what you think. Apple uses the exact same NAND flash chips that your NVMe SSD manufacturers use. The big difference with Apple is that they brought the SSD controller into their Silicon, where as a NVMe or 2.5" SSD will have the controller on the M.2/drive itself. Since Apple is buying the same NAND storage chips as everyone else at quantifies/economies of scale unmatched by anyone else, not only are they paying less per GB for the raw NAND chip capacity, they don't have to pay for a separate controller for every "drive" as an SSD OEM does, no additional board required like an M.2 NVMe, no additional M.2 slot cost to solder to the main board. Apple can sneak more performance out of each same chip due to the proximity and connection to the controller/CPU/DRAM. So while Apple does gain some minor performance benefits from using soldered NAND chips instead of M.2 SSD's with those same chips (max maybe 10%), their cost per GB of usable storage in a laptop or mobile device is probably 30%+ less than someone like Dell's would be for the same capacity in their laptops if using an M.2 NVMe SSD. So yes, there are some technical benefits that Apple gets, but the biggest two benefits from them using soldered RAM and NAND SSD's is significantly lower cost (enormous profit margins) and lack of upgradability which not only drives more frequent upgrades, but creates obvious segmentation that naturally pushes buyers outside of their base models and into higher spec models that they make even higher gross profit % per unit on due to their massive markups. You need to realize that a company like Dell, ASUS or HP is probably making a about 15-20% gross margin if their lucky on their premium laptops. Apple also pays way less for distribution and retailers. That doesn't sound that bad, but when you realize that results in a Dell or HP making $300 gross profit on a laptop that sells for $1500, and Apple making $1400 in gross profit on similar or lesser capacity MacBook they sell for $2000, it's pretty disgusting. I the rest of electronics industry, manufacturing and selling something for $13 that cost them $10 is seen as successful, but Apple feels entitled to charge their customers at a minimum of least double what their costs were on a given product, in some cases triple, which is why they are one of the most profitable companies in human history. Tesla was doing the exact same thing until they exhausted the market of idiots willing to pay double what a conventional higher quality ICE vehicle sells for with less range, 1% the filling stations, and when competition finally arrived and they had to fight for sales, Tesla cut the price of their Model S Plaid from nearly $138,000 to $91,000. They are absolutely still making extremely healthy profit per unit, but they cut the price by $44,000, and that's often roughly the figure estimated for Tesla's cost of producing that vehicle. What Tesla is experiencing is exactly why Apple does what they do. This shit is out of control, and consumers treat these brands like cults and not only allow the behavior, they reinforce it by rewarding them by continuing to buy, by being frighteningly loyal and s1mping for%defending these brand ls publicly.

I think it's more of a real-world decision than a proper apples-to-apples comparison. He has laptop X which has great battery life, which is really important to him. He was offered laptop Y which has worse battery life, therefore it's a downgrade in real terms.

The funny part is that if he put it into low power mode it run equal to or better than the M2 Max withe half the power draw. So if he only cared about battery and thermal performance, problem solved

ppl also really underestimate how high inflations are these days... dollar feels like yen

Or use it towards a property.

​@@cal_gooo802artificial inflation and over selling

Where is it?

Wow that’s actually such a deal, wish I could get a price like that in Europe. Yeah 13/4 inch isn’t too small. Both 16 and 14 inch displays are far too small to be working on all day. At home or at the office you should have a big display, my one is 42 inches. The built in display is for the couch and for travelling.

that's too good to be a deal

that would be fare

Yeah doesn't make sense to compare the size when both come with 16 inch models.

Yeah, there are a lot of differences between the 14 and the 16. Speakers, track pad, battery, screen size(duh) but also thermals, noise and therefore speed. Also fun to call out is that a 16" model can draw 15-20W more power for extra performance. No-one seems to be talking about that ever. Simply because it has the better thermal solution to get rid of the resulting heat.

you know what's crazy? a m1 max would have the same export time as the m3 max, as the media-engines are the exact same ones, but max versions have double the encoders/decoders in comparison to the pro versions. Unless you're using gpu effects really heavily in your videos it's gonna be the exact same for m1/m2/m3 max for exporting video

My M1 Max does it in almost the same time.

Something shiny with some new feature will come out, and you'll upgrade.

@@rickenbacker472 Doubt. Not for years when performance uplift is worth it.

@@JarrodsTech You might be right. I struggle with Gear Acquision Syndrome and FOMO myself. My guess is that Apple will add some new OS features that need some new AI hardware not found in the current models, or some other hardware refresh that will make us all run out and upgrade. They're very good at selling us their latest & greatest. Let's give it a couple of yesrs and see!

Looking for an M2 max now over M3 max just much better value for not much less performance

@@miked5444depends on your use case

The markup prices are definitely killing their sales. If they just started selling their base model with 16 gb ram, I would buy it without a second thought. But right now I have to shell out extra 200 dollars which is insane.

I'm actually finding that my older 2020 M1 Macbook still holds up perfectly well for on-the-go use. I never expected it to be as fast as my 4090 / 7950 x3d system. I have totally different expectations for a portable vs a desktop system. And while I'd never buy a Mac for desktop use, I'll only go Apple for a laptop. "The right tool for the right job" as the saying goes.

It is version one of 3nm, so it will likely be rough around the edges.

well brother some people like me dont have multiple systems. I need something to cover everything and at this point in life and the way things are with tech i believe we need 16Gb of ram for sure. But a friend of mine in the same position as you has no problem with the M1 mac and truth is it can do anything than work better than pretty much anything. He does Work on a pc though@@dtsdigitalden5023

One thing I am consider about is their support for AV1 codec, they only support the encoder but not the decoder, which is a bit strange, but in the meantime, nowadays the camera companies have not support 10bit av1 codec video, so I guess for now it doesn't matter, but at least for now the Lightroom export avif files will be very slow no matter which apple silicon.

yes, this is a weird video, especially the battery life and thermal comparison

Agreed. It's like he compared a compact car to a super car, of course one would be efficient and easy to drive inside the city.

You all seem to be missing the point about why Apple's RAM and SSD are worth the cost (and I'm saying this as a Windows user). From what I understand, Apple custom designs their RAM and SSD to work specifically with their chips and hardware, so a lot of production costs go into that. My dad works in the design sector for companies like Apple and Microsoft, so I have some insider knowledge on this. Meanwhile, with Windows, there are tons of brands competing, so they can just slap in off-the-shelf NVMe SSDs and call it a day. But even with that said, I'll admit Apple's pricing is still crazy expensive.

​@@abhidatta_b9227 dude the ram upgrade (+8gb) is 200$. No fucking way you can justify that. It's not even faster than most ram in the aftermarket

​@@megatronusv2215And Microsoft's ARM Surface Pro 9 still has removable SSDs. Apple does it to fuck over consumers.

I have a similar set up, i use a clear widget. It just fills in the space where apps go with the background.

Yeah, really wobby keyboard. I did return my M3 Max cause: display issue (blue at up and pink at bottom tint spots, which kinda not all people see, also backlight issues on display borders), absolutely stupid keyboard - you kinda put fingers in something viscous, this is how I feel it, M3 Max even in 16 inches case is HOT chip, non-legs friendly in any sense.

Getting a 14" Max is a waste as it really needs the thermal headroom and extra battery capacity of the 16". Much more cost effective to get a 14" Pro or 16" Max.

​@@adriftatlasThe M3 Pro is limited to 2 external displays. I would need the M3 Max because I use 3 external displays. Yes, I do use them. No, I don't use a Mac.

If it is your business and makes you money, then you must spend what you have to. The faster times mean that if you are busy, you can recover the extra cost in no time.

@@andyH_England It is my business but I’m currently exploring windows options seeing as a $5000 MacBook spec can be had for 2000ish in windows laptop land. Won’t be the same battery life but oh well. Might also just do new desktop pc plus maybe a base spec MacBook Air or maybe an energy efficient windows laptop with a better screen than the air. The thing with overpaying more than 2x is that you then hope it to last you 4 years at least but if you only paid 2k in windows you can upgrade again to top spec in 2 years time and still have spent less while being far ahead in performance.

@@definingslawek4731 That is all true. But for many Mac users they prefer macOS so that option is not on the agenda. That is why Macs only has 9% of the market share, and never breach the natural monopoly Windows has, and is why if Apple reduced their prices, the chances are significant that it would have little positive impact on demand but would defiantly impact negatively on revenue and therefore profits. Apple has to charge high and go premium. Otherwise, it would not be worth it, and they would close that business.

My 17" MBP 2011 came with 4GB of RAM and a 500GB 7200RPM HDD. In 2014 I upgraded it to 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD. I used it until I bought a 16" MBP 2021. Bought this one with inflated specs as I knew it wouldn't be able to be upgraded. Apple is not the only one soldering everything. Dell Precision workstations now come with soldered RAM. In a few years they'll likely solder the storage too. It's simply too lucrative for them to pass up charging four times the aftermarket cost of RAM and SSD.

@@adriftatlas That's the way it should be my friend. 10 years of usage with incremental user updates. Apple are making fools of us all. They're not one of the biggest companies on the planet for nothing.

All brands won't solder the storage because then companies won't buy their laptops for data retention purposes. There goes a lot of money for those OEMs.

Not true for me from what I can see, and I am not sure it has an oleophobic coating as it is not a touch display.

@@andyH_England it’s honestly a big shame that MacBooks don’t have oleophobic coatings cause it makes them almost impossible to clean. I have never seen a clean MacBook screen anywhere out in the wild. Water and micro fiber just pushes the oils around but does not clean it.

I always hide the dock to reclaim that vertical space.

Still doesn't make sense to bring up the size comparison in the review regardless. What are we expecting here going to a smaller size? More spacious 🤣

its not mis leading what you said is just irrelevant lol. The speakers don't make any type of difference in performance just the speakers and nobody wasting this type of money on a macbook and gonna be that worried about the speakers lol.

@@alvinamana1459 not wasting, but rather investing. 13 air M2 is just brilliant!

You clearly didn't watch the entire video / weren't paying attention. He points that out. Useless comment.

Yes, version one of 3nm has had many issues, including TSMC's delay. Apple could not wait any longer as they needed to get it out there to test it in the wild for version 2 improvements and optimisations. A work in progress, and although the M3 is still up there with the best chips, I agree the N3E or N3P will be the quantifiable 3nm chips.

fun fact: keyboards usually have more bacteria on them than a toilet seat

The M3 Pro and M3 Max start at 18GB/512GB! Only the base M3 starts at 8GB, and that is ultimately a souped-up ultrabook, not for Pro work per se. If you are doing "pro" work then do not buy the base M3, get either the M3 Pro or M3 Max chip.

@@andyH_England 18gb of ram is way too little for a 2000 dollar machine in 2024. Student laptops had that 7 years ago. I tried to run my creative workflows on a base m3 pro but just couldn’t. It’s so ram starved. 32 is the minimum for any non web browsing workflow today. Obviously you can get by with less but it’s tough to be spending thousands of pounds and be struggling with a ram starved system.

@@definingslawek4731 I agree that you can never have too much RAM, and 32GB is the sweet spot for pro users. However, 18GB of MB Pro 14/16 M3 Pro is fine for part-time or semi-pro users. Top pro users will buy the M3 Max, which starts at 36GB, more than many Windows pro machines, and you can go up to 128GB! Apple is covering all buyers. As for the price, Apple is premium, and you cannot expect it to compete with ACER and other cheaper Windows machines. Apple has been expensive for 20 years, and people are making the same complaints about prices, despite knowing this, is borderline excessive behaviour. A Merc has always been more expensive than a Ford, but we do not see the same complaints every release saying that Mercs are expensive!

⁠@@andyH_Englandthe price of those pro/max machines aren’t the base price tho. This is the first year/model that Apple is including the base m-series chip in the pro machine. I forgot about that. In my view, the base MacBook Pro should be a pro chip with at least 16 GB ram with 512/1TB. And at the price of the current base MacBook Pro model. That will move more units.

The T16 is an ultrabook running a U series chip with no dGPU so the MB Pro 14 M3 Max is not a comparable laptop as its performance is many times better.

My M1 MB Pro 13 is 3.5 years old and outlasted several, admittedly a while back, Windows laptops. I still have my previous MB Pro 15, which is nearly eight years old. I have had no longevity issues and do not upgrade as I buy what I need when new.

have the screen brightness to about half way or less.

@@firstspar i have done that and the result is from 50 percent brightness

@@tttyyy949 then you must have something else that is taking up power. Installed coconut battery and use the activity monitor to look at what processes are consuming energy.

The build quality of all Mac pro’s is essentially the same

facts

I'm also of the opinion that Apple just isn't offering enough value generationally to drive people to upgrade. RAM and SSD uplift pricing that is beyond extortion and CPU / GPU changes that make it pretty apparent that they're trying to squeeze even more gross profit out of each generation leaves little incentive for those already on Apple Silicon to upgrade, even jumping two generations.

This is what he says ten seconds after?

He says that seconds later.

Yes, Apple only has a 9-10% market share, so with a high percentage of upgrading to the M1, there will be fewer people to upgrade in subsequent years. It is basic economics when a new product is launched. Apple is using this time to fine-tune their model line-up to prepare it for the future once normal cycles are returned. I am sure people band this 30% around to justify their anti-Apple agenda rather than taking 30 seconds to think of the real reason.

welcome to the club. Even after a few years later, the windows pc side of the space still hasn't fully caught up yet. I'd love to go back at some point in the future.

@@nidalspam509 i have been Windows user since 2006, but Windows Laptops can't keep up with the Macbooks in terms of battery life. That's why i decide to switch. However if the Macbooks still use Intel Processors i would NEVER switch tbh

The base 8GB model is for those that want to save money or cannot afford 16GB/512GB. It is better to have that option than not. Even a 16GB/512GB MB AIr M3 is cheaper than many premium Windows ultrabooks, for example, the XPS 14, and sadly for XPS fans, the cheapest with the latest Core Ultra is £1500, compared to the cheapest M3 MB Air of £1100. A more inexpensive option is great for consumers, and you should not complain as you can still buy higher configurations.

@@andyH_England 8gb should not be an option in 2024, phones have more ram. Ram is so cheap they should put 16gb as the minimum

@@andyH_England 512gb is also insane. 1tb is a tiny hard drive today. Let alone that you can’t ever change it. Also dell xps is not a good line of laptops.

@@definingslawek4731 That is the issue. Your use is your use, and you are not everyone. I use about 45GB, and both my parents use even less. Would it be highly anti-environment if we had to buy more storage than we need because some people need more?

​@@definingslawek4731why do you think Dell xps isn't great?

That is the primary aim of all businesses as they work for their shareholders, who demand better and better returns on capital.

His was the maxed out version.

Also discouraging people from updating on their work laptops will for sure make for a security nightmare. If it's a laptop provided by your company, keep it updated. ALWAYS

​@@nitrobearthen make that an option enforceable by MDM, not required for any user of the OS

To you.

i guess you would have bought this machine instead yours 😀

If he’s willing to buy then take it. If you were a father you’d feel good about buying it for your son. Just make sure you truly use all of its power and make money with it. I’m sure he’ll be so proud of you

I don't see the point unless you actually need the resources on offer.

At the end of the day, do we really need everything we buy?@@anmol3457