Are We Scared Of Negative Reviews? RTX 4080 Should Have Been Discounted! February Q&A [Part 3]

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00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
00:47 - Ad spot
01:27 - Are we afraid of being too negative?
04:48 - Where is the $200, 4080 Super discount?
07:12 - Why didn’t Nvidia just reduce the price of the 4080 by $200?
11:00 - What would a well positioned APU look like in the current market?
14:43 - Why is the PS5 APU so much more powerful than the 8700G?
18:07 - Can high-end motherboard features eventually justify their prices?
Are We Scare Of Making Negative Reviews? RTX 4080 Should Have Been Discounted! February Q&A [Part 3]
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@JoshBalane 2 місяці тому

We'll never see a GTX 10 golden era again, are we...

@Eleganttf2 2 місяці тому

you really gonna kept reminiscing in the past ?

@humdrum5509 2 місяці тому

No, whoever fucked that up for fired.

@enraversadi2903 2 місяці тому

no, youre right. lets remember how good we have it now. oh, nevermind. @@Eleganttf2

@tether23 2 місяці тому

As long as there is demand for gpus from different sectors other than gaming the answer is no

@JoshBalane 2 місяці тому

@@Eleganttf2 Yup. Even with my (garbage value) 7900 XTX, I still miss the past GPU eras. I want good value and good gaming for all. I don't want....whatever shithole situation GPUs are in now.

@fighterguard 2 місяці тому

4080 Supers are €1400 in Europe! It's utter bullshit 😡😤

@Fheara_Nyakki 2 місяці тому

Actually they range from 1000 to 1500+ depend on the model. I seen a msi suprim sold for 1180 euro. Zotac amp extreme 1208. Ventus and such 1000-1100. TUF was spotted few times for 1180 (some site which I forgot) or also 1230 on amazon.

@fabian11235 2 місяці тому

At german retailer mindfactory you can get the cheapest one for 1109€ and its in stock. What country are you talking about?

@elitepauper7400 2 місяці тому

1.3 to 1.4k euro here in the Netherlands 😂😂😂 im glad i went team red

@David-nd4to 2 місяці тому

it varies massively, the only winning move is to not buy

@alpha007org 2 місяці тому

@@fabian11235 Sometimes it says "in stock" but when you try to add to cart, it says available in a couple of weeks. For me, that isn't really "in stock."

@hellonearth6411 2 місяці тому

The price they say never reflects that with what the retailer's sell them at, so I never believe all these pre launch prices anymore.There should be a law against this crap to be honest.😔

@josir1994 2 місяці тому

Yup, Nvidia should be sued when a random shop mark up a GPU.

@hellonearth6411 2 місяці тому

@@josir1994 Yes very true, and my understanding was this was a permanent price reduction on the 4080 super, not a earlier adopters price then the price goes back up.As the non super is hardly a performance increase, so the super really is a far beyond stupid product.😊

@Alvin853 2 місяці тому

Well they learned that from AMD. With the 7800XT AMD set a precedence of making up a fake price to get good reviews, and by the time the real price is in the market, all the reviews are already done and people get hyped about the product and buy it anyway even if it's more expensive. Sadly reviewers are enabling and even encouraging that kind of behavior as the MSRP has a major impact on the conclusion.

@hellonearth6411 2 місяці тому

@@Alvin853 Yes it's not good anymore for sure.😔

@sahara8771 2 місяці тому

@josir1994 For large parts of its lifespan, the 3080 die package was sold for more than the fully assembled card MSRP. It was financially infeasible for that card (and others) to be sold at MSRP, I don't see why Nvidia wouldn't do it again.

@Beginnergamer1823 2 місяці тому

You know what's funny, the original 4080 is now at around 950 in the UK while the 4080S is 1100 but what's more crazier is the 7900XTX which is better raster is now at 849 in the UK

@TheCth777 2 місяці тому

It’s clearly worth the extra hundred tho for better ray tracing, efficiency, and encoding

@meda7291 2 місяці тому

@@TheCth777I wouldn‘t generalize it as „clearly“ - plenty of users out there not giving a damn about Raytracing, and will never use the encoding capabilities of their graphics card.

@TheCth777 2 місяці тому

@@meda7291 fair. I think the general value proposition is clear, but not accurate for everyone. Agree with you.

@LagiohX3 2 місяці тому

@@TheCth777what encoding? does the super have something over the regular 4080?

@TheCth777 2 місяці тому

@@LagiohX3 I meant vs the more affordable amd options that the op mentioned

@marktackman2886 2 місяці тому

@10:47 Steve's thought bubble "Damn, they are using us for free marketing"

@dontsupportrats4089 2 місяці тому

Um. HU makes money off their content. Pretty sure they already knew years ago that they were giving advertising to them.

@marktackman2886 2 місяці тому

@@dontsupportrats4089 doesn't mean he can't be constantly reminded of it

@Pegaroo_ 2 місяці тому

The point of the Super releases rather than just price cuts is media coverage

@JackMaslovCZLive 2 місяці тому

15:56 To add to the reason you already mentioned, the PS5 console itself doesn't have to make all the profits by its hardware being sold (so it can sell cheap), and after that Sony will make more money by its users using subscriptions and playing games bought from the Playstation Store, because Sony who decided to sell PS5s cheap is the owner of Playstation Store. On the other hand, PC APU manufacturers don't get any money when you buy a game from Steam or pay for Game Pass to play on your AMD or Intel PC, so they have to make their profits by selling the part at a higher price from the get go.

@concinnus 2 місяці тому

The cost to Sony for the PS5 die is ~$50; it's a small part of the story. Everyone always thinks processor silicon cost dominates graphics card/console costs. It doesn't.

@1Grainer1 2 місяці тому

Tim: part four me: does Tim work for Valve?

@mjc0961 2 місяці тому

Nope. We'd never get Half Life 4 from Valve

@mexmer3223 2 місяці тому

@@mjc0961 you need to get to 3 first and that one is Coming Soon Valve Time

@Noir1234 2 місяці тому

MB prices are still to high, cheap features were moved to higher-end boards with ridiculous pricing, so you have to pay around double for a equivalent board quality compared to AM4/1151.

@viking9442 2 місяці тому

Gamers getting destroyed arent we 😢

@Apollo-Computers 2 місяці тому

Yep

@KrazzeeKane 2 місяці тому

100% this right here. Besides gpus, motherboards are by far the next most overpriced component. It's ludicrous that $300 will get you a basic entry level board without a single cheap 8 segment digital post code readout, or even a god damn POST speaker. Not to mention all the other lacking features and cheap build quality. Insane to have to spend $650+ for an actual high quality motherboard nowadays, and that's still on the cheap end...

@haukionkannel 2 місяці тому

Motherboards at least have so many more layers now that makes them actually more expensive to produce… so you can not make pci 4.0 to pci 6.0 board as cheap as they could be PCI 3.0 boards. Gpus… just are expensive because they can.

@mitsuhh 2 місяці тому

@@haukionkannelhigh end cards are expensive to produce

@RayneAngelus 2 місяці тому

"One, two, five!" "Three, sir!" "Three!"

@nathanpose8607 2 місяці тому

Who, being naughty in thy sight, shall snuff it.

@atom608 2 місяці тому

That $200 4080 super section was a bit of a cop out guys. There is a massive added cost around the word on 4080 supers way above MSRP. $999USD is $1615 NZD yet the CHEAPEST 4080 supers here in New Zealand are $2050NZD or 1268.06 USD

@chillnspace777 2 місяці тому

What are the 4090s over there?

@tilapiadave3234 2 місяці тому

But you get nights at the sheep disco for free :)

@XyzBoBzAU 2 місяці тому

Are you calculating in taxes etc. into this price? That's gotta be what? 10%? So at least $200NZ?

@elirantuil5003 2 місяці тому

But isn't it the regular Australia tax? We have it here in Israel too. The 1200$ msrp 4080 cost around 6400 ils, which amounts to something like 1700 usd. Not a big percentage different from the Israel tax we pay for the 4070 ti super which would be around 1350 usd.

@formulaic78 2 місяці тому

I paid $1058 with taxes here in Shanghai for a gigabyte gaming oc 4080 super two days before launch.

@curryking1 2 місяці тому

I bought a 1080 ti in 2017 for 800 USD and it lasted me 5.5 years it was amazing

@Kiyuja 2 місяці тому

I bought a 1060 6GB in 2016 or 17 for 330 and swaped it out at the beginning of February, lasting me at least 7 years and doing a great job, even at my current 1440p 165Hz monitor

@matthewbruveris680 2 місяці тому

Same, and its still going now...entire setup will be 7 years old in march. I`m the sort of person who only buys new full systems and start saving for a new system (£20 weekly) straight after a (2017) purchase. 1080 ti was so good i stopped saving nearly a year ago at £6000 but have just seen no reason to upgrade yet. Hopefully the 5080`s will tempt me away from ol faithful when they release.

@Clutch4IceCream 2 місяці тому

My 3080 TI is nearly 3 years old and going strong

@veilmontTV 2 місяці тому

@@matthewbruveris680how much of an upgrade do you need?

@eugkra33 2 місяці тому

You buy a 4070ti Super for $800 today and I bet you it'll last 6 years as well. Generational leaps are dead. If there is a 40% performance increase in the future, it'll come with a 20% price hike.

@mingyi456 2 місяці тому

For the rumoured strix halo apu, which is supposed to come with a giant rdna 3.5 igpu with 40 cus, it uses a 4 channel ddr5 memory controller, which means it cannot fit into am5 motherboards without ditching half of its memory bandwidth (and the die size might also be too big to physically fit into the socket). It might be possible that amd decides to squeeze it into a threadripper board because it does have the required memory channels, but that is assuming the trx50 socket supports an igpu connection for some reason (meaning amd had to plan the trx50 socket well in advance for this possibility). Even so, motherboard oems still need to release new models that come with display outputs on the rear i/o panel in order to make use of the igpu (unless some existing trx50 board already has a display output, which I am not aware of currently).

@GewelReal 2 місяці тому

Isn't there a 16CU mobile APU planned? That could come to PC (altought we already see that 8700G is in 95% of the cases marginally faster than 8600G despite 50% more cores, as it's HEAVILY bandwidth starved)

@mingyi456 2 місяці тому

@@GewelReal Yes, but that also uses a dual channel memory controller, so it will fit into am5 but I imagine performance will not be that much better because of that. Turns out to get high end dgpu performance out of an igpu, you probably end up needing a motherboard that costs as much as a high end dgpu anyway, and that is assuming amd even bothers making such an apu.

@AleksiJoensuu 2 місяці тому

I was thinking exactly the same as what the answer was for the first question. There's a lot of buyers in a lot of different positions buying for lots of different use cases. The challenge for the reviewer is trying to make clear what cases a product is good for and what it isn't. Meanwhile, a buyer's challenge is to keep clear what their own case is and keep an eye on what information is relevant to them.

@peterwstacey 2 місяці тому

Graphics Cards and CPUs fall especially into this. CPUs can be used for all sorts of things (see Intel's crazy product stack for each generation), each of which have power, performance and cost requirements. Graphics Cards are not just used for gaming these days, and even if they are, what different gamers want from their cards varies a lot (some really like ray-tracing or DLSS, and others do not care). I really appreciate reviewers who do not say "you should buy this!" but instead say which type of customer it makes sense for, and if it is worth it for them

@AleksiJoensuu 2 місяці тому

@@peterwstacey Yeah, there are just soooo many different variables, even if it's just "what's a good GPU for a gaming PC?" - Are you building a PC from scratch or are you upgrading? What doesn't make sense for an upgrader, might make sense for someone who doesn't have any GPU yet. - How much are you willing to spend? The price to FPS of a 700 dollar/euro GPU doesn't matter if you're only spending 300. - Which games do you plan on playing? Different GPUs perform differently in different titles. - Which resolution are you planning to play at? - Which settings are you planning to use? Are you excited to use ray tracing? - Will you use the same PC to play on a 4K living room TV and a 1440p computer screen? You might find benefit in DLSS/FSR/XESS - which one do you like best? - What's the other build like? Someone building a small PC for the living room might need a small form factor, good thermals and/or power consumption. - Speaking of which, do you have cheap or expensive electricity, or are you quite environmentally conscious? Where I'm from, electricity prices can vary from around 0,1€/kWh to over 1€/kWh depending on the market. - How long do you plan on keeping the card? Do you want many years of use, or do you like upgrading? Are you bothered about resale value? How are the warranties like? What's the manufacturer's history for driver support for older cards? - Will it be used for other tasks as well as gaming? Maybe you need more VRAM or AI computing power for something else you're doing, too. - What's your level of enthusiasm for problem solving and/or patience? An Intel buyer needs those, but otherwise the products might be viable. - Are you a streamer as well? Streaming capture quality might matter. So, there can be many, many different combinations that lead to a different "best gaming GPU".

@AleksiJoensuu 2 місяці тому

And so I'm not saying that "All GPUs are equal" - just that it's not so simple for a reviewer to say "this is great and that other one is crap", nor is it for a buyer so simple to say "the reviews said this is great so I need to buy this".

@AleksiJoensuu 2 місяці тому

A good example is the new AMD APUs. For any of my use cases, those are just stupid. Pay lots of money to get a product that's slower in both computing AND graphics products than having dedicated stuff for each. BUT I can understand some people are building extremely small computers with particular requirements for size, power consumption and simplicity.

@peterwstacey 2 місяці тому

Yes - the new APUs might make sense in markets like South America where graphics card tariffs are huge, for example. About finding the right use case, I would argue that "nearly all" graphics cards do have a reasonable use case, but can be niche (and might not make economic sense in your area). GT-710 is great for adding multiple monitor support for financial trading desks that require up to 6 monitors @ 1080p. GT-730 is ok for SFF WinXP retro PCs. Passively cooled GT-1030 are great for turning an old Haswell era Intel or Ryzen 3000 series into a HTPC. For example.

@calpoop 2 місяці тому

what about high end motherboards for the purpose of extreme overclocking?

@AndersHass 2 місяці тому

With LPDDR it does seem easier to get higher bandwidth than with regular DDR, so from that perspective I can understand it being easier to make a higher end integrated GPU. With handhelds being as popular as they are it does also seem like a good position to offer a more integrated GPU focused APU since you can get higher volume orders than with a socketable desktop system. It is still a shame they don’t make it anyway since it could be a killer low spec option.

@Discostick55 2 місяці тому

Wait, what's that? Is the 'stache back?

@ronanwaring3408 2 місяці тому

In the UK there is no $200 discount, both sell at exactly the same price the cheapist being at or above $1200 converted, across all sellers and all AIB models.

@jannegrey593 2 місяці тому

In most of Europe it's hard to find (if not impossible) 4080 Super and 4080 for any price that is even close to what is in US and Australia.

@DanielFrost79 2 місяці тому

Australia has super high prices as well, due to their taxes. But you cant even compare US to Aussie prices. Aussie even has a lot more expensive GPUs compared to Europe.

@jannegrey593 2 місяці тому

@@DanielFrost79 Depends on the release. I usually saw it that way, but with 4080 and 4080 Super it's sort of reverse. I didn't see anyone in Europe lower prices of 4080 before Super came out. And of course there are taxes, I do appreciate the difference - it's just that after adjusting price to show the price before the tax is applied - they are nowhere near the levels of what is in US or what HUB is talking about in Australia. I'd have to check, maybe something changed in the past 3 days.

@club4ghz 2 місяці тому

Put more sanctions on Russia will fix the problem.

@mushbeck 2 місяці тому

@@jannegrey593 found a 4080 super on mindfactory for 1820 aud inc tax. Cheapest 4080s in aus i could find including tax is 1700. so about 60usd difference . Would say both regions are equally shafted.

@gruiadevil 2 місяці тому

In Romania at least, the 4080's are having really bad sales. Generally, if you have 1000Euros to blow on a GPU to play games in 4K, you're most likely a 1 percenter, so you'll just get a 4090 for 1800Euros. And it shows in the sales. The 4090 sales are continously higher than 4080+4080S combined. The middle-class is still gaming in FHD. Upper-middle-class can barely afford a 70class card and to play in 2K. And Yes. The regular cards didn't see any price-reductions. The Super series just slotted in slightly above the old prices. There weren't any "cheap" 4080's to buy, because people weren't buying them to begin with ... Nobody's going to sell a 4080Super for less than a 4080. Right now, the price difference is +100 Euros for each Super card, compared to the original versions.

@vensroofcat6415 2 місяці тому

Compared to monitor and (mobile) CPU naming schemes, your January dePart3D is still fine.

@usamaizm 2 місяці тому

Jensen: No review units for you.

@Son37Lumiere 2 місяці тому

@@DanielFrost79 "The more you buy, the more you save"

@Valkian24 2 місяці тому

I can vouch since I acquired a 4080 (PNY brand) for about $1599AU, which the Super variants are just $100-500 more...For a 3-5% increase. Those who were also lucky to get a 4080 at a discount (in Australia) should count their blessings since the non-super variant are now getting extremely hard to get brand new.

@TobiasEnder 2 місяці тому

Monitor question: so I was looking at Microcenter for am4 upgrades and a Monitor. I found myself looking for the lg 27gr83q (no luck). And found myself unable to have to know the difference between lg gr83q and say lg(27/32/ 93/73q). If such a thing exist. A specific example lg 32p850 vs lg32p750(seem at micro center) or lg 32950. (Or a 27inch version) How do I know if the number change means its the same but smaller/different/ or whatever?

@KrazzeeKane 2 місяці тому

I own the LG 27GR83Q and it's great I love it. The 27 or 32 in LG model number is the size of the screen, 27in, 32in, etc. The rest of the numbers are basically gibberish outside of LG lol

@EdDale44135 2 місяці тому

Is there any advantage in the consoles based on their operating system being focused on gaming, not general computing use? Does that allow them to show more performance than a general PC would have with the same hardware?

@duLouser 2 місяці тому

Yes, but the difference is miniscule. What's more relevant is that it's possible to make specific optimizations for the console hardware while PC hardware is due to the variety of different architectures and plethora of possible combinations not really suitable to such tailor made improvements.

@PaulSpades 2 місяці тому

Playstation, at least, seems to have better dev tools, apis, libraries and debugging since using AMD hardware. Historically, consoles have added hardware to accelerate stuff - be it cd/dvd read speed, audio/dsp/analogue acceleration, memory buffers in weird places, co-processors, hardware antialising, various types of data compression, unique shader functionality. Some games put the weird stuff to use, and these features have not been available on the PC platform, or they come years later(integrated in the cpu/motherboard/graphics cards). Currently, I guess, modern consoles have unique features implemented in microcode and the software libraries since they use x86 APUs. But, again, not all x86 systems are equivalent, you can still design hardware optimised for the types of games you want to run on your platform. There are lots of moving parts to tweak and squeeze improvements out of - a slightly bigger cache here, a few lanes for better bandwidth there, a faster flash memory controller here, cheaper components there. And really, the only computing components that run balls to the wall all day, every day, is busy data center stuff. PCs get the scraps of technology from that, and consoles make the most out of the scraps of technology from PCs/workstations (that's how it's always been since atari, nintendo and sega consoles).

@masterluckyluke 2 місяці тому

It helps a bit, and it uses less memory.

@duLouser 2 місяці тому

@@PaulSpades afaik the only really unique thing about consoles is the shared memory and resulting possible uniform memory of CPU and GPU. You can literally buy the console chips on a motherboard and run your favorite os on it no problem, it's the 4700s.

@PaulSpades 2 місяці тому

@@duLouser Sure, you can get approximately the same hardware, but you don't get the dev tools. That's the point.

@budthecyborg4575 2 місяці тому

14:47 The only thing stopping a high end APU from existing is the standardized desktop PC motherboard, to make this work requires a desktop motherboard with V-RAM... "unless" they could bypass the need for V-RAM on the motherboard and pair it directly with the APU die itself. The cluster of chiplets on that package would be incredible, CPU, GPU, V-RAM, Memory Controller, but I can't see any reason it wouldn't work other than being a nightmare of circuit design.

@PaulSpades 2 місяці тому

Yeah, it's only been a decade(or three, if you count the arm/mips based devices with regular dram) since game consoles moved to this exact architecture. But we keep buying ATX hardware. Because... "pro gaming" marketing? PCI-Express moved along fast enough? We get faster hardware from the duopolies each year? We like to run computing hardware at wildly inefficient clocks and power that the system needs 5/7/9 fans to keep it ticking? Because RGB? Maybe because it's also what we did 20 years ago? Maybe all we need is a quest 3, or a steamdeck, or a ps5, or an ipad with unlocked bootloader.

@_Kaurus 2 місяці тому

Grats on a million subs boys!

@peterhermina656 2 місяці тому

So if you want good audio out of your PC; what is the best way to connect it? Optical out or USB into a DAC or external amp then to your speakers or Headphones. So the analogue outputs are kinda worthless, right?

@peterhermina656 2 місяці тому

@eder60hz51 why use a dac if the studio monitors are already powered and accept digital inputs? Optical from mobo doesn't depend on motherboard audio codes, right?

@mitsuhh 2 місяці тому

Headphones -> external amp/dac -> PC via USB or optical audio out

@thestrykernet 2 місяці тому

One thing I'd like to see on more midrange boards is two DIMM slot configurations. MSI seemingly killed off the UNIFY-X line which filled this segment though they are releasing an MPower board, but it looks like a low end power delivery design. ASUS has the Apex and Gigabyte the Tachyon X but those are rather expensive and EVGA isn't making motherboards anymore though theirs were also premium priced.

@andr.3348 2 місяці тому

18:40 Yep. Even then, my NZXT Z490 board has horrible noise on each and every USB and onboard audio ALC 1220 jack, so it must be an external DAC with independent power supply, on top. BTW: The culprit is in my case is the "spiky" RTX 3070 FE power handling, badly insulated from the USB ground in the motherboard and/or PSU. I did not have said issue with a prior MSI GTX 1070.

@PaulSpades 2 місяці тому

Maybe a PSU upgrade would give the graphics card enough headroom that it doesn't affect motherboard devices? Components on the main board can only smooth out power delivery if there's enough power to go around, so it might be worth a shot.

@andr.3348 2 місяці тому

@@PaulSpades Yeah, until I upgrade the PSU I can’t yet blame it all on the motherboard.

@jajsamurai 2 місяці тому

"Where is the $200, 4080 Super discount?" you guys are off base on this question. Looking at newegg in US prices and there is nothing at the 'new' price of $1000. There is only 1 for under $1200, and most of the cards are $1300 or more. So the 'price cut' is not currently there.

@leighjenkins5601 2 місяці тому

I think my next purchase will be a CPU with integrated graphics and a console. The whole market is a joke.

@viking9442 2 місяці тому

I hate that consoles still aiming for 30 fps though

@ry4bz203 2 місяці тому

The 4080s and 4080 supers are both well over $1200 in the US. The 4080 never got a discount and the $999 4080 super was really theoretical only.

@hadesflames 2 місяці тому

It would have to be $800 max for me to even so much as consider it as anything more than just a money grubbing scam.

@antoniog8276 2 місяці тому

Best Buy has the FE model for MSRP, but it's a bit of a process to actually get one.

@JJW3 2 місяці тому

@@antoniog8276 I eventually got one at my local Best Buy, but it was a chore to find a sales associate in the store to actually find one for me. At that store, they don't keep them in the locked cabinet on sales floor with other GPUs, but secured in the back storeroom, and apparently none of the employees on he clock knew about that. It took them forever to find the stock.

@iHaveTheDocuments 2 місяці тому

Nvidia gonna Nvidia

@Bannockburn111 2 місяці тому

I don't think the 4080 Super at $1000 U.S. was "theoretical only", I think they just sold out really fast. Many people kind of fell for the Nvidia tactic of "we'll discount what was a $1200 to $1000 and people will think it's a bargain and buy it" tactic. Yeah I agree it should be more like $800, but I'm not in the market for anything in the 40-series anyway. MAYBE the 50-series will bring something I'm interested in because I'll likely build a new computer in 2025, but $800 will be my price point (unless someone sends me a check like I got during the pandemic), so likely they'll have to produce something in the "5070" range that has enough performance to make me want to buy it - and, frankly, I don't see it happening. Looks to me like I'll be skipping that generation too, unless prices are significantly lowered for the "5080" in comparison to the 4080 and the performance increase is really good.

@ElladanKenet 2 місяці тому

I mean, assuming the MSRP actually works, the 4080 can still be discounted. If the 4080 Super is at $1000 now, and no model sells higher than that, then you could market the original 4080 down to $900-950. That would also shift the rest of the product line down somewhat, which we did see with the 4070 being discounted. Of course, that won't happen.

@curryking1 2 місяці тому

The question about the Apu of the PS5 makes me realize how little people understand the products they are comparing 99 percent of the time, but glad guys like hardware unboxed and gamers Nexus and mlid are sufficiently knowledgeable to share their correct insight on these things, the ps5 Apu simply would not work in a pc since it is semi custom and designed to work with unified gddr6 and decompression and streaming chipsets and a totally custom Io bridge

@leviatrus 2 місяці тому

I’m one of those people I was wanting to upgrade. Heard about the super… bought the regular 4080 instead because I’m impatient. 😅

@Arashmickey 2 місяці тому

The PS5 retail APU question makes me wonder whether, price notwithstanding, they'll try making a standard motherboard form factor with everything integrated, drop into an empty PC case and it's ready to go. With all their fancy technologically advanced bonesaws and augers at their disposal, I'm pretty sure at least some of their engineers would love the opportunity to hack up a PS5 or PS6 to fit into a standard form factor case.

@TheIndignified 2 місяці тому

you should review the new mag274qrf-qd e2 and compare it to the original

@MenTal9R 2 місяці тому

4080 Supers in Canada are priced way over the US exchange pricing.

@gabgame300 2 місяці тому

I can't believe that people actually believed that the 4080 Super worth $600 would stay at an MSRP of $999. Hasn't Nvidia proven to be untrustworthy? Like holy shit?

@maximus3294 2 місяці тому

alright let's be more realistic. I don't think the 80 class would drop all the way to $600. remaining at $700 MSRP would make it a really good value especially since prices in general have inflated a bit and no, the 7800 XT doesn't count because it's merely nominally an 80 class card; it should've been called the 7700 XT to be honest

@Audiosan79 2 місяці тому

@@maximus3294 Okei. So Intel Arc 770 = 4070? Arc A580=480? And same for A380? What about A310? Come on. AMD is not Nvidia. And if AMD have a 8 in there name, do not mean it compete with Nvidia's 80 cards. What about rx6400? Were is Nvidia's 3040?

@club4ghz 2 місяці тому

If the 4080 was $600 you wouldn't be able to buy one ever.

@maximus3294 2 місяці тому

@@Audiosan79I know the lineups don't all match; I inserted that second part in case someone decided to be facetious

@Audiosan79 2 місяці тому

@@maximus3294 "it should've been called the 7700 XT to be honest" Those were your words. My answer is that AMD can call there cards what ever they like. Regardless of what Nvidia calls there cards.

@SquarelyGames 2 місяці тому

Don't know what is causing it, but went from a low end AM4 board to an upper mid range AM5 and the sound quality feels much better despite using a high end dac and amp for both systems. Much clearer sound with better dynamics.

@dereklang4451 2 місяці тому

Your older board might have had some issues like interference. The board quality is not going to affect your dac amp, unless you plug it into a sound card or the USB ports aren't working properly

@SquarelyGames 2 місяці тому

@@dereklang4451 I think it could have to do with the USB not working properly. Had lots of issues with it when many things were plugged in. I think there were some general issues with some X570 boards.

@Zzzxx2 2 місяці тому

Something was definitely either wrong with your old board or placebo.

@jakebeaty8556 2 місяці тому

Here in the US the rtx 4080 super starts at $1200 if you're lucky. They've all been scalped but there's plenty available at $1400+

@tcifrino51 2 місяці тому

Online maybe, plenty available at brick and mortar places for msrp

@club4ghz 2 місяці тому

$999 At Micro Center but you're gonna have to make a trip to get it. If you want it delivered to your door, you gonna pay $1200+

@TalonsTech 2 місяці тому

Picked up my 4080 Super FE for $999. It’s been on Nvidia website a lot this last week. Was in stock yesterday for an hour.

@grievesy83 2 місяці тому

I was going to buy a 4080 after the 4080 Super was released and just go with air cooling. Then my wife saw the price (AU$1,600 was the best I could find). I was allowed to buy a used 3090 with a waterblock on it. Thanks Nvidia. (but at least my custom water loop is still a full loop)

@viking9442 2 місяці тому

Allowed to buy 😅

@mitsuhh 2 місяці тому

ALLOWED TO BUY HAHAH

@grievesy83 2 місяці тому

@@viking9442 ⁠ Happy wife, happy life.

@theoneyoudontsee8315 2 місяці тому

click baiting in itself in my opinion is overrated as a bad thing because you can never not click bait on UKposts. making a UKposts channel and being successful enough to stick with it you must make a thumbnail and video name that suggests importance to the audience you intend to make content for. so trying to shame someone for click baiting on UKposts in itself is a joke because click baiting is the thing to do for all UKposts creators. what people should complain about is wither or not the click baiting is good and and relevant to the content it contains. with all that said thank you for making good truthful thumbnails and video descriptions and then most importantly thanks for professional grade content after making the thumbnail that suggests the video is worth my time to watch that all creators must do anyhow.

@HenryThe12 Місяць тому

You equate click baiting with using an attractive and enticing title and thumbnail, the two are not equal. Click baiting is explicitly a form of false advertising - knowingly titling a video and creating a thumbnail implying one thing, yet creating a video about another thing. You can absolutely make good content that garners traction and not click bait.

@ssl3546 2 місяці тому

There is only one feature needed on a motherboard, support for God's Keyboard aka the IBM Model M through a PS/2 port, and that does not correlate with the cost of the motherboard.

@EdDale44135 2 місяці тому

I think a APU that is marketed towards a specific gaming experience would do well. The 1080 APU, the 1440 APU. Focus on having strong single core, high clock speed CPU, a AI chiplet for AI gaming loads ( ray tracing, upscaling ), and a significant GPU that takes advantage of being close to the CPU and slather x3D cache over the whole set of chiplets. Not likely to be built, but that would sell well.

@haukionkannel 2 місяці тому

No… it would sell badly! Just think how much that kind of apu would cost… $1000 to $2000 nobody would buy those!

@jasondailey9402 2 місяці тому

Even at the $1000 price point, according to LTT the 4080 Super barely matches the 3080's original msrp in price-performance. When is the last time that, three years later, a new component didn't increase the value per dollar??

@joemarais7683 2 місяці тому

The 2080ti vs 1080ti. This isn’t anything new.

@RyzesTechZone 2 місяці тому

Managed to nab a good priced used 3080 at the tail end of 2022 and am going to ride it out for years. These current GPU pricings are way too out of wack.

@Fluskar 2 місяці тому

yoo part 3!!!

@beemrmem3 2 місяці тому

That motherboard flex gave me ptsd about the shortage.

@greebuh 2 місяці тому

Got my Zotac Trinity Black for 899 open box on Feb 5th from Micro Center. Hits 3.015 ghz with a +233 on the clock with a small aircooler it came with. Still not cheap, but I also paid over 1300 buck for my 2080ti FTW3 that I just replaced and it is WAY weaker than my 4080s.

@chibonchibon3967 2 місяці тому

I never had golden gpu era, the first time I am able to purchase is 2019 just right before covid. So the price is normal for me😅

@marcin7258 2 місяці тому

I think the perfect apu be something like 8 core cpu thing and the same 780m gpu. I think even on 5000 series cores. Cpu be good enough for a 780m

@Maximum_Nova Місяць тому

can you please review the "RTX 4000 SFF Ada"? it's a 70 watt card that punches hard

@CrimsonAnchors 2 місяці тому

A hidden reason nvidia doesn’t drop prices but rather launches new products is many retailers have policies that they will refund the difference if the purchase is made within the return period. They don’t have to honor this policy if it is a “new” product rather force customers to gamble that they can return a card and get the new one quickly or risk being without a GPU.

@edwardpaasch955 2 місяці тому

Is AMD building APUs backward? If the 8500G had the M780 graphics built-in, it would be an incredible value. Folks who might spend $329 on the 8700G are more likely to add a GPU later and mostly want the onboard graphics for troubleshooting, so maybe they should build the 8700G with the M740 graphics cores and add the extra cache back in if possible. If the lower end APUs had the stronger graphics cores and the higher end APUs had more cache combined with still useful graphics, would this make for a more appealing APU line-up? Right now these chips only make sense once they get heavily discounted.

@tommyrotton9468 2 місяці тому

cheap 4080 are about the same price as the out of stock 4080 S in the UK, but trend is for in stock 4080 S to reach the old high prices of the 4080 until you get to the most expensive 4080 which lead the hike. Maybe the prices will drop after 4080 S stock fill the shelves? But I doubt it.

@chooka003 2 місяці тому

I’ve bought motherboards based on your reviews. MSI Tomahawk for example. B450 etc. My pc’s run 24/7 CPU’s flat out crunching numbers. These boards cop a flogging compared to standard gaming and touchwood…. No issues to date. Thank you for your thorough testing and honest reviews. Power efficiency is what I look for. Intel aren’t winning there.

@stevenwex8966 2 місяці тому

Off topic, I have a RX5700 XT, was running with AMD Chill on, did the latest driver update, and how I have something called HYDR-RX ECO and AMD Chill has been removed. I didn't think HYDR-RX supported GPUs has old the 5700 XT. I also replaced my 720p 15 year old TV with a 4K, but not a gaming TV, just a Big-W JVC. Also how should I set the resolution in Windows for the new TV, I set it to 4K then scaled up by 250%, I did some quick maths and looks like 900p, looks right to me. Games resolution gone from 720p to 1080p lock at 60fps. If my windows setting sound right give me a thumbs up.

@kurtwinter4422 2 місяці тому

RDNA4, 50 Series and Battlemage is right around the corner

@sidewinder86ify 2 місяці тому

Nope, late 2025 for rDNA4.

@mitsuhh 2 місяці тому

End of year isn't around the corner

@gatocochino5594 2 місяці тому

@@sidewinder86ifyYou mean 2024?

@TheIndulgers 2 місяці тому

Nvidia somehow tricked people into thinking a 80 class card is worth $1000. Even worse, this is really a 70 class card when you look at die size and bus width compare to the 3080.

@flimermithrandir 2 місяці тому

Think it goes even further. 5080 for 1000 at Start even though the 5080 might be even worse (or the same Die Size)... will instantly sell i think. Not what we want but for me it seems the Obvious Outcome. They know the 40 Series is a lost Gen but they also know we will buy Next Gen if it is good enough. At least thats my Fear.

@eaglemmoomin_418 2 місяці тому

except it's 45% faster than a 3080🤣🤦 I own both. The 4080s price is a problem not the performance, if you turn RT on it gets even worse for the 3080. What has happened is market segmentation across 1080P, 1440P and 4K. At 1080P a 4080/7900 is an unnecessary card.

@mitsuhh 2 місяці тому

The 4080 is as much as 90% faster than the 3080 with path tracing.

@aylim3088 2 місяці тому

@@mitsuhh"path tracing" oh, that setting that makes the game run at 15fps and is in like 2 games and does nothing but make water and glass reflect light better? That thing?

@mitsuhh 2 місяці тому

You clearly don't know what path tracing does.@@aylim3088

@craig527 2 місяці тому

you just get used to the discount from nvidia/amd always being more pants in different counties than the US as the super is still $1200 over here and the non super is $1261 ^^ but our tax is already added on so there is that to remember because of state taxes etc

@tthbeige3332 2 місяці тому

I was going to write a long rant about motherboards(mainly matx) layout, but instead I'm complaining about the lack of true dual slot graphics cards...

@Masonplays963 2 місяці тому

I get tired of some channels that have to give all products a "use case good buy" option instead of saying that buying one product over another is a bad idea. If a certain card is a poor choice vs competition, then just say it. It seems that every card gets a $25 range to say it's a good buy if you are spending exactly in that range. There's only one option in that $25 range, so it's meaningless. For instance, $850 for a 4070ti Super vs the competition slightly above it and slightly below (e.g. vs a $900 7900 XTX or a $700 7900 XT). The ray tracing argument can only go so far, especially since the 4070ti Super isn't a viable 4K card.

@FunBunChuck 2 місяці тому

In a nutshell: Reviewers: "The performance of this product is not enough to warrant the excessively high price." Consumers: {buys it anyway.} Reviewers: 🤦‍♂️ "Why do I even bother?" 🤷‍♂️

@bartegexe8182 2 місяці тому

Just a random question, out the ass, but still, is there any chance you guys could test the 7950X3D against the 14900K ?

@spoots1234 2 місяці тому

The 4080 Super was basically an adjustment. Not price, but design. No new performance but less VRM more cores that balanced out costs on their side i guess.

@DaKrawnik 2 місяці тому

When you reach premium status, deep discounts cheapens the brand, ruins margins and angers shareholders.

@TheSoullessJoker 2 місяці тому

4080 super in my country costs 10% more, so i bought the 4080 yesterday.

@dxchase9886 2 місяці тому

It is really niche, i upgraded from a 3070ti into a 4080s, but its really because i loved the way the msi expert had looked. Just loved the design, and it was still cheaper than a 4080 lol

@paaaatrika 2 місяці тому

I would find reviewing stuff like this easy. In the sense that as long as you are objective, all you're doing is "pointing to the numbers". Opinion doesn't really need to come from the reviewer. It would be up to the consumer if it's worth it based on their own criteria.

@Razor2048 2 місяці тому

AMD should do a CPU along the lines of the 7800 x3D but give it a really full featured hardware encoder/ decoder along the lines of what maybe found in a RTX 4090, but without the arbitrary stream limitations.

@NinerJonny 2 місяці тому

As I've mentioned elsewhere, I remember paying $400 for a Voodoo card 28 years ago...PC gaming has always been 'expensive' if you want the best. It is what it is...tired of the whining. Just did a bake off at home with the 7900XTX and the 4080s. Was fun... Sadly, sent the XTX back. 4080s is my choice. Paid $1049 (US) for Zotac.

@stinger15au 2 місяці тому

The issue with the Aussie 4080 super price is....although you can get one for $1800, you can also get a 7900xtx for $1500, that's a pretty significant 20% cheaper. The 4080super is still overpriced when a 7900xtx is STILL about 10% faster overall. Someone must REALLY like RT or DLSS to justify a card that's 20% more money for 10% less performance overall.

@jumpman1213 2 місяці тому

I believe the 4080 Super is actually cheaper to make thanks to rather modest PCB design. The 4080 Super Founders Edition for example has 11+2 phase design as opposed to 13+3 of the original 4080. Just lowering the price of the 4080 by 200 dollars would have been lose-lose for both nvidia and the board makers.

@ReDMooNTVV 2 місяці тому

2:44 i think you nailed the explanation on this. Makes a lot of sense and gave me a different perspective about reviews

@Skotty64081 2 місяці тому

Amusingly, the 4080 Super remains generally out of stock everywhere, or priced at $1200. I think Nvidia just wanted to taunt people.

@karlhungus545 2 місяці тому

Actually here in Canada at least the 4080 Super is exactly where it should be. I just got a call yesterday from Memory Express that an ASUS TUF 4080 Super is available for $1,369 CAD ($1,000 USD). The cheapest 4080 however is still selling for $1,500, which makes zero sense. I already have a 4070ti and was thinking to give it to my son and get a 4080 (DCS VR needs every frame you can get), but it's close enough now to just wait for the 5000 series. Gamers are so over-stimulated now or something that they just have to have a new card to get 10 more fps, even though they are already getting 140+ at 1440p just because they add 'Super' to the end of it! It's like nobody has any financial sense, or they don't have anything else in their lives to spend cash on? 🤔 This is the reason the 4080 Super exists. Sally-soccer-mom isn't buying 4080's, it's only people that know PC hardware.

@zodwraith5745 2 місяці тому

It's not about if there's a point to high end motherboards or not, it's the absolutely ridiculous markup for the tiny COST to add features to basic motherboards. Adding another $20 in components shouldn't add $300 to the price of the board. It's clearly obvious they gatekeep desirable features like USB4, decent VRMs, and extra NVMe and USB ports to the boards that cost twice as much when it only adds 10% to their costs.

@XMG3 2 місяці тому

here's what I realized: life is short, and gpu prices will never go back to the way it was, so I bought a TUF 4080 super and just gonna enjoy it.

@emircosic7860 2 місяці тому

Im quite happy with my 4070 ti performance wise but the price is quite steep. Everything has gone up in price. Price gouging is present even in woolies and coles. So the age of companies grabbing cash from customers is here. I owned a 1080ti and a 2080ti also. I must say i love the 2080ti most.

@bagerklestyne 2 місяці тому

I want to know why we're needing to spend a grand usd on a motherboard to get 10 gig nics that cost 50-80usd to drop in. I get it's not entry level, but there's only a few AM5 boards with 10 gig at any price range.

@dereklang4451 2 місяці тому

Buy a mid or low range board with enough pcie slots and drop a card in. Gotta show mobo manufacturers that they can't get away with that.

@flimermithrandir 2 місяці тому

@@dereklang4451 Nice Idea but you get slowed down fast with PCIE Speeds then. And if you buy really good MBs with enough and not shared PCIE you get into the same Issue imo. I get where you are coming from and i kinda agree but just saying... its still not a perfect Solution i think.

@sirmonkey1985 2 місяці тому

because the integration of the 10gbit NIC is expensive especially when having to work around the insanely signal sensitive PCIE 5 lanes from the cpu. if they're lucky they're only paying a royalty on each board sold with the NIC otherwise some are probably paying for the NIC on top of the royalties. i agree the prices are high but a modern board compared to a board 6-7 years ago is drastic when it comes to feature sets and components. hell even the worst budget am5/lga1700 board you can buy today has better VRM's than the best board you could buy from 2018.

@mikebroom1866 2 місяці тому

@ 4080 price cut - Look at how much press they've gotten by slapping on a new name.

@Kapono5150 2 місяці тому

I mean these 2 guys do complain a lot but I feel like they are being honest

@alites5681 2 місяці тому

The negative reviews will continue until value improves.

@wcg66 2 місяці тому

Here in Canada, as of last week, all the "MSRP" 4080 Supers are gone. Retailers are still trying to get the old MSRP for the 4080 non-super! I was considering going for one but the latest BS is a real turn off.

@curryking1 2 місяці тому

Currently using 4090s which replaced my 1080 tis my second 1080ti I bought in like 2021 and it was 250 😅 but in 2023 got two 4090 for my two PCs were 1700 USD each so.... Hopefully they last almost 6 years or I can resell them for similar price if I change to a 5090 😂

@SashimiSteak 2 місяці тому

Also for PS5 it costs AMD far less overhead such as marketing, packaging, handling, and service. Their own APU will have to be more expensive even if they get the same margin.

@haukionkannel 2 місяці тому

Sony sell at loss or zero,margins… PS5 apu would cost at least $1000 if sold separatetely. Most likely $1500…

@mitsuhh 2 місяці тому

$1000? Don't be ridiculous@@haukionkannel

@dontsupportrats4089 2 місяці тому

To be clear: Nvidia didn't just lower the msrp because it would effect investor perception of Nvidia's value.

@plonk420 2 місяці тому

Regarding better mobo features, a PLX chip would have been a higher end option, but like VMWare, Broadcomm bought PLX and are screwing everybody by probably pricing them out of desktop viability or maybe even refusing to licence it

@1kreature 2 місяці тому

You have to apply a "less performance" discount to the old 4080's as well, can't just apply the "super has arrived" discount. It was a crap price to begin with, now it is taking up storage space. Admit it and take the loss!

@BReal-10EC 2 місяці тому

What's weird about the 8700G- you can already find Prebuilds like Cyberpower selling systems with the 8700G and a 40X0 GPU. WHY? Did AMD sell them cheap in bulk to get them in prebuilds for some reason? Market image? idk.

@yoyigu 2 місяці тому

4080 super about 1600usd in my country Chile.

@ScreamerRSA 2 місяці тому

Our region's Nvidia tax is USD1,600 for a 4080

@chaleowin7732 2 місяці тому

I can't see upgrading from my 3080 in the foreseeable future.

@club4ghz 2 місяці тому

I'd keep the 3080 until I have to put textures on medium / low.

@chaleowin7732 Місяць тому

@@club4ghz I feel the same way!

@forog1 2 місяці тому

I don't think we seen an actual bad product lately just bad prices. The last truly bad product came from AMD in the form called the 6500xt

@haukionkannel 2 місяці тому

So NVIDIA 3050 6gb is good? 😂

@forog1 2 місяці тому

@@haukionkannel That would be fine if it was renamed 3040 and a lower price. The 6500xt is a laptop GPU that don't have a Video encoder like literally all GPUs come with

@H4GRlD 2 місяці тому

Would cutting the price of the 4080 affect the "third party" vendors? I guess they "just receive" an agreed stock amount from the chips and they pay Nvidia after selling them. So these vendors wouldn't have to suffer a financial loss when Nvidia decrease the price of the product later. If this is all true, it is just greed. They made a "thousand" 4080Super trying to get people buying the more expensive original model that are technically rotting on shelves in a much much larger amount.

@Kiyuja 2 місяці тому

a realistic perfect APU would deliver at least last gen 50 tier performance combined with entry level core count like 4 or maybe even 6. They could let them overclock to get that extra performance a laptop couldnt provide, maybe include an AI accelerator to enhance upscaling and it has to cost AT MAX 220 bucks, ideally 180max. Anything higher than that has no potential costumers and is outdone by CPU + dGPU.

@eeeeyuke 2 місяці тому

If i didn't score a 4080 Super on launch day at MSRP, I wasn't going to buy one. Luckily, I scored one at Best Buy with 1 year no interest. I ended up paying it off by selling my 4070 for $400 and a a 3050 laptop for $500. I had to sneak buy and sneak install, all without wifey finding out, as she would've never understood the market the way I do. If I would have waited... I knew I'd be priced out due to the scalper market.

@viking9442 2 місяці тому

Dont let her find out 😨

@eeeeyuke 2 місяці тому

@viking9442 The sad thing is that I didn't really spend much out of pocket. I couldn't believe she didn't notice a graphics card three times the size of the previous one, but I can believe it as well. The only white lie I told was that I was taking the computer to Microcenter to learn the safe way to remove dust from the case.

@mitsuhh 2 місяці тому

Imagine having to lie to your wife just to buy something

@eeeeyuke 2 місяці тому

@@mitsuhh it's because I always preach saving. She won't see that I sold my 4070 and laptop. She'll just see that I spent $1,000. We've been married 13 years. I know which topics to avoid.

@mitsuhh 2 місяці тому

You should teach her about tech advancement in computers@@eeeeyuke