Electric Vehicle Myths Debunked - Nissan LEAF Battery Lifespan

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There are a lot of electric vehicle myths that are being shared online, but what is the truth? In this video, we focus specifically on the Nissan LEAF and the battery lifespan myth that batteries are going to need to be replaced after only a few years.
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@Noved473
@Noved473 8 місяців тому
I was about to get a leaf 2019 but I changed my mind that battery 🔋 problems worries me
@stevezodiac491
@stevezodiac491 3 місяці тому
very wise, my 7 3/4 year old 39k mile Nissan leaf 30 kwhe EV has lost 33% capacity with degradation. They are just not fit for purpose.
@togeika
@togeika 6 місяців тому
Actuallly, here in Minneapolis in the winter, keeping the battery plugged in every night helps protect the battery by warming it. It is also great for warming the interior up in the morning while plugged in using 110v current and not your battery. Great not to have to scrape your windows!
@dominicwild3189
@dominicwild3189 Місяць тому
In 2019 in Australia a Leaf owner was quoted $35,000 (US$20,000) to change the battery, so this owner went onto the web with this sorry tale causing Nissan HQ to say we do it for AUS$9,985 (US$6,000). Problem is, neither Total Nissan in Perth, Western Australia nor Nissan HQ is interested in replacing the 23kWh batt in a 2014 Leaf in 2024. Sad! Nissan prefers you to scrap your Leaf and buy a new one (63kWh) for less than US$36,000.
@kelalamusic9258
@kelalamusic9258 Місяць тому
I would love to have seen a report of a Leaf from different climate regions than Seattle, perhaps in areas like Phoenix, AZ where summer temperatures can be in excess of 110 degrees F, or perhaps in areas where winter temperatures can be well below freezing. This is not a fare test considering the car has barely been used and is driven in and around an area that is conducive to an optimal temperature range for the Leaf.
@blanktitle198
@blanktitle198 Рік тому
Where would you find these prices? At the dealer?
@dominicwild3189
@dominicwild3189 Місяць тому
What owners at least in Australia have to do is order a batt from AUG Energy in Shenzhen (China) and they sell refurbished batts with new CATL modules and the local EV shop will then install them, not Nissan. They sell batts from 23kWh (US$4,400) in steps up to 63kWh (US$10,000). Perhaps wait as CATL claims batt prices will halve this year!
@twrcrew8852
@twrcrew8852 3 місяці тому
also, the 15-20 grand engine thing sounds highly exaggerated as well. especially for those of us who know how to replace our engines at home. as long as you buy a full ICE vehicle made by the Japanese, it is neither overly complex nor nearly 10 grand to replace a motor yourself, turbochargers included. you just need to learn how to do it and follow the manual and not be completely lazy and useless with a wrench and being able to read and follow directions.
@truckerwayne
@truckerwayne 4 місяці тому
That warranty is not valid. Nissan will not replace Leaf batteries in Canada.
@stevezodiac491
@stevezodiac491 3 місяці тому
they don't anywhere unless there is a total failure and only at their discretion. They repair individual cells to bring the battery back up to 9 bars out of 12 ( 3/4 capacity ) and only if they decide to do it ' at their discretion ' as written into the warranty.
@truckerwayne
@truckerwayne 3 місяці тому
@@stevezodiac491 That's total horse shit they won't replace the batteries. A car that's 6 years old and the dealership does a cell replacements only. I drive a Semi . IF one battery is bad I change all 4 batteries! Not only one that's insanity
@dominicwild3189
@dominicwild3189 Місяць тому
Nor in Australia even if you pay them for an out-of-warranty vehicle.
@LennyDavis-tv7kh
@LennyDavis-tv7kh 27 днів тому
They didn't replace it in Dedham ma either lady had me help oush her pos out of the way $14?483 bucks it cost her if she went threw haven't seen the car since she bought a 2015 Honda Accord mm
@randyw.8781
@randyw.8781 3 місяці тому
federal regulation in the U.S. mandates that electric car batteries be covered for a minimum of eight years.
@EverydayEV
@EverydayEV 3 місяці тому
Good information to know!
@twrcrew8852
@twrcrew8852 3 місяці тому
2 ways propaganda works, EV pushers either up-play the actual range and downplay maintenance, OR they exaggerate the claims of people against the EV (such as done in this video). Nobody says "EV batteries degrade after only 2-3 years". This is the part where EV pushers try to "anchor" the claim to the reality of them degrading in 10 years to make it seem better, when in reality that IS the issue. Degrading in 10 years is STILL NOT GOOD. you also have to fight tooth and nail to get a new battery. So being green is completely nullified by the industries' refusal to honor the argument they made when initially selling you the car. they make it an absolute pain to try and replace the battery literally or financially, and then they suggest you just throw it away and buy a whole new car. it's disgusting.
@douglasalanthompson
@douglasalanthompson Рік тому
My recurrent report on my 2019 S+ show max range still at 259 miles. I think it's doing better than my neighbor's 2021 Tesla Y in terms of range loss.
@EverydayEV
@EverydayEV Рік тому
That’s great to hear Leaf Storm! You must be driving efficiently! - Tyler
@truckerwayne
@truckerwayne 4 місяці тому
​@@EverydayEVNissan dealerships are not replacing EV batteries in Canada. They are saying they cannot get replacement batteries. Nissan is buying back old Nissan Leafs.
@tommorgan1291
@tommorgan1291 10 місяців тому
My understanding pertaining to Nissan Leaf Plus 2023 is that during cold weather the heater air is directed around the battery, and in summer the cold air conditioning is also directed around the battery pack . Is this information correct?
@EverydayEV
@EverydayEV 3 місяці тому
Sorry for just now seeing this comment, thank you for leaving it! From my understanding the LEAF comes equipped with a battery heater that only turns on when it’s colder than 10 degrees Fahrenheit. In the summer months, the vehicle does not use cold air conditioned air to cool the battery, it relies on ambient temperature to cool down.
@alexbramwell1870
@alexbramwell1870 9 місяців тому
The battery is already protected by the Manufacturer They limit the charging range i.e 100% isn't actually 100%, same at the bottom end too You don't have to manually manage this!
@renebergqvist599
@renebergqvist599 10 місяців тому
I had a 24 kWh Leaf (2015). After 80.000 km it still had all battery bars and I couldn't notice a decay in range. Sure I live in 'non-hot' Denmark - but in general disregarding the pre-2014 models they are much better than their reputation. It is the lowest cost car per kilometer I have ever owned. For reference the household has a Model 3 LR AWD and VW id.3 now - so it is not like we don't have new EV's as reference.
@stevezodiac491
@stevezodiac491 3 місяці тому
24 kwhrs leafs have faired better than all the rest because they give off less heat in total on each rapid charge. My 30 kwhr has lost 33% or 4 battery bars in 7 3/4 years and 39 k miles, because it is a larger battery capacity in the same sized container, which reduces heat dissipation. Remember rapid gate on the 40's and 60's - same problem.
@msmietana09
@msmietana09 22 дні тому
I HAVE A 2020 LEAF SV AND IM GETTING 172 MILES ON MY LEAF
@jacobcarlson4010
@jacobcarlson4010 10 місяців тому
Personally, I take the info from Recurrent with a massive grain of salt. They base their capacity estimates on the “blips” next to the charge level bars, which have an undisclosed range of capacity loss per “blip”. On top of that, they also rely on the guess-o-meter which will report wildly different numbers based on driving habits; for example, if you “drive like a normal person”, you’ll get a little over 4.3 miles per kWh, and your range will be X. If you drive somewhat more conservatively, you can get 4.8 to 5.2 miles per kWh which can swing your guess-o-meter numbers by easily as much as 10 miles or more on a 20+ kWh charge; the bigger the battery, or the more energy it can hold, the more those numbers will swing with just a marginal change in driving style. I don’t like basing my LEAF’s battery health on that; personally, I much prefer plugging in an OBDII scan tool that’s able to poll the BMS after a full charge and reading what the BMS says the pack has available in raw watt-hours. And last time I polled the BMS, the battery (30kWh new) held 24480Wh; so it’s got somewhere over 80% of its original capacity, which isn’t bad for a 2016 with 52923 miles. As long as the battery holds more than 17.5kWh, it’ll comfortably meet my needs; so the original battery still has over 12 years worth of life left, absolute worst case.
@toddspector8777
@toddspector8777 Рік тому
Example of a car driven 1.2 miles per day. Umm.
@thosethatcan
@thosethatcan 10 місяців тому
OK * .. will see. ever seen Dala's EV repair yt?.. gangsta!
@junjloc3774
@junjloc3774 2 місяці тому
you do have to replace ev batteris every 3-4 year that is correct they die fast
@kalmmonke5037
@kalmmonke5037 10 місяців тому
dendrite forming battery degradation makes a small part of battery not recyclable. most electric battery are not being recycled, and they dont last as long as is apparent in low prices in used market for electric cars, lower driving range in higher mileage cars etc. combustion cars last as long as the metals dont rust, anti rust systems exist but arnt used, most combustion cars dont last as long as they could also because people dont change oil and oil every 5k miles and oil filter every other oil change (when its dirty). oil is recycled by us government , bio fuels, e fuels, hydrogen combustion, are all sustainable. current ev will rust and short circuit in wastelands under rain, moist air etc, they will not be recyclable even when they do somehow start recycling battery by weird materials science stuff without chemical side affects that would make such thing unworthy. if people really wanted to reduce emissions, they would use the limited battery supply to reduce emissions where they happen most, through all cars through all of time: in low speed high engine power situations, which is especially bad in traffic happening near people like crowds of people at sidewalk in a busy city street. normal hybrid cars already do this better than electric car approach, where you can make many hybrids out fo the same battery mass used to make 1 electric car. even better: have electrci assited turbo small single combustion chamber engine charging up pressurized liquid and or air and making electric energy with linear movement, the piston will be pushed back into place by hydrallic switch or something so combustion can push it to make energy , with something like linear electric actuator, which maybe similar to electric spinning motor then the power would be released as needed. they probably will need to use minimal amount of battery (assuming its meaningful to reduce emissions to such a extent). recycalable electric motor by mahle, but it needs transmission, subaru wrx high torque transmission, and toyota uses a first gear for high torque then continues the other gears with ContiniouslyVariableTransmission. such system will be easier to package than combustion and ready for switch out systems easier when a new technology becomes worthwhile, like maybe hydrogen combustion that isnt too hot so the only emissions is water or something, or electric hydrogen, or a proper electric car battery . consider tony heller suspicious observers, and tom nelson, etc in their takes on climate change... also see richard vobes on ulev expansion, romanian tvee video called why woke wont go broke, and see how they print money and give it to people like blackrock who can weaken people to make them easier to control fro power centralization, especially with printed money given my private corp called federal reserve, making money more abundant but it represents the same real wealth, causing everyones dollar to be worth less, whiel they have more... its stealing. blackrock promotes climate change narrative. they constantly get their predictions wrong, they apprently dont know what their talking about and i cant prove their narrative as even proabably correct either. they are taxing productivity and using climate change as a excuse to get ways to control people more in way that favors them at cost of us. look at hwo they put emissins laws retsirctions based on length and width of car but dont tax height, which makes cars unsafe in crash as i explain here, less areoydnamic, they tend to roll over more so less momentum preservation and less safe. they also set restriction based on engine size, which isnt fair because for eample, porsche used a bigger engine because it has less emissions per size than the samller engine which wouldve been less emissions. they also would tax weight of car, for reason i explained. theyd also not make it more difficult for small cars to meet emissiosn stansards, and not relax anti roll over standards and emissions standards for "suv" cars. but consider that burnt food feels bad like other things in nature that normally feel bad when harmful... similar to smelling smoking fumes like tobaco burning smoking fumes, such stuff causes cancer. such smoking wasnt seen as being so harmful until after so many people were moved to seed oils instead of natural fats as cooking oil stuff, which is known for causing health problems like cancer... and thats just 1 part of human health. so, you can argue its not all too meaningful to reduce emissions, but it definitely is better to lessen that stuff liek NOx, SO2, particulate matter (smoke), and heavy metal pariculate such as lead and arsenic, at least to some extent. maybe use CNG, LPG propane combustion.. more energy flow worsens battery degradation you can divide degradation across more battery cells to increase longevity, but the more you add , the exponentially more energy goes into and out the energy to move the car... because your not using all the energy stored in all that weight at a given average moment in driving, and the stuff is heavier per energy vs combustion. weight worsens natural wear damage of roads which costs resources and emissions to fix, heaviness makes car more damaging in car crash. making sructualy stronger part of sedan at same level of taller cars strong structure, protects upper part pf car (and people isnide it) safe from strong heavy parts of taller car, if the part in front of people is all fully crushed and tall car touches the people. nowdays is normally low to the ground to minimize tendency of car to roll over when turning quickly enough. sedan can rise quickly liek audi a8 air suspension, to get hit at a angle that minimizes damage, whiel keeeping car areodynamic and more able to preserve momentum around turns(not tending to roll over), while not being unsafe for non tall cars, by keeping weight low to ground. givign option to raise the car when user gets in, makes it easier for disabled old peopleto get into and out fo car and lift objects into car, by minimizing joign movement and msucle movement. it could give options to make ride less bumpy and stiffen up the ride to make it bumpy for preserving more momentum around turns by making it less tending to roll over. tires wear out emitting micro plastics that suppsoedly are endocrine disrupting, stuff goes into water supply food supply, similar situation with anti birth pill residue, etc, and its heavily petrol based. natural rubber from trees was used but gave far less grip, we could go back to using more of that with lighter weight cars, so less grip is used in dealing with weight, and more is used in gettting car to move and stop and preserve momentum for effiency and manual steering lotus elise style driving fun. rerember, this should be about lowering emissions of already sustinable types of combustion, not reducing combustion use. rear wheel drive means less regenerative braking, so less degradation, while making it lighter weight in rear mid engine sports car style weight distribution, for dividing weight across all the tires more equal, so front wheels dont get overwhelmed by too much weight and cause car to loose grip, rear wheels help handle more of the weight. same with not making outer wheels handle all the grip without as much help from inner wheels , when car is turning sideways and car is still tending to move in the direction it was moving when it was speeding in straight line. besides preventing traction loss for saftey, this also allows preserving car momentum around turns , so less use of regenerative braking (which is also not as energy preserving) , brakes, engine lubricant, combustion fuel, battery energy, etc, so more longveity of all those things . this would also decrease weight, so less road wear damage, less damaging in a crash.
@kalmmonke5037
@kalmmonke5037 10 місяців тому
to improve aerodynamic and heating cooling and weight effiency and add usable legroom, make rear seat face the rear and shape the car around that. make seats fold so they would make the person inside make their back bone sit up straight, so its easier to get into the seat, without needing to make a lot of space between the backbone and the wheels, for weight reduction. when door clooses, it lets drive lean back into a seating position similar to gordon murray t50 seating position ,for aerodynamics, weight, and high driver awareness per amount of driver mental stress(lower stress). make it compact 4 seater for minimum costs per capability, and thatll be enough for almost all needs, people can rent a van for family road trip , and carry kids to doctor in a few trips instead of doing it all at once. because modern culture is designed to weaken people to make them easier to control, because of NWO bankers , blackrock esg score, etc, family culture and all long term collaborative relationships are becoming far less common, so 2 seaters will be more reasonable for many people instead of 4 seater, so itd be llooking like aptera solar plugin electric car, or pre sam electric car, or gordon murray imotiv, or gordon murray t27. allow high airflow into car so its very similar to co2 concentration of natural open air, so it doesnt cause couldy stressed depressed mind, and vent can even open more as a alternative to roofless drivers desires without the non effeincy of removable roof sports cars. its aerodynamically better alternative to opening windows more to get rid of a fart smell, and its quieter vs wind noise of putting window down. for luxry car, make it like lucid air front end rood area for rear too, allow manual removable tint shade from sun, and a shade with holes to let in most sunlight but not too much and also for some privacy. because its better to make people buy my car than other sports luxry car, its better to offer such non effcient stuff lie glass roof, and for tire longveity , saftey (like anti fish tailing traction control system), speeding around a turn more smoothly with less tire wear and with optional simulation engine sound that correlates with torque vectoring torque vs RotationsPerSecond of each wheel .... a limited slip difffrential type system is worthwhile for them. tire wear reduction by speeding around turns is considerable for luxry sports car customers because they will speed around turns often even if infotainment system reminds them not to do so and remind how to drive efficiently every time car is turned on. so, energy effiency and emissions is not as good as electric car when comparing one electric car to another one of my concept car, but that doesnt matter, because across the whole fleet of car through all of time, its ultimately more sustainable, less emissions, safer, cheaper, more fun to drive , etc. current cars that come close to this more dieal car im talkign about, are volvo v60, prius and possibly (but probably not) prius prime
@gerhardk98
@gerhardk98 9 місяців тому
So you are also into conserving capital letters? Many words little sense.
@kalmmonke5037
@kalmmonke5037 9 місяців тому
@@gerhardk98 being not normal doesnt mean it doesnt make sense. stupid popular cults of all kinds exist today
@keithwilson1554
@keithwilson1554 8 місяців тому
Ai writing really needs improving. Polluters must be running out of money.
@kalmmonke5037
@kalmmonke5037 8 місяців тому
even simply a electric assited variable vane turbo inline 3, possibly with a clutch auto transmission, in a rear mid engine rear wheel drive compact 4 seater , would reduce emissions in the long term more effetivly than using up all non fully recycalable electric battery stuff . itll probably also be cheaper and denfitly more light weight, which means less road wear and less damage done to others in a car crash. @@keithwilson1554
@stevezodiac491
@stevezodiac491 3 місяці тому
After being an owner of a 30 kwhr Nissan Leaf Teckna 6.6 charger in Arctic white, built at the Sunderland plant 7 3/4 years ago, all I can say is that your attempt to debunk ' myths' out there has been replaced with pro EV propoganda and misinformation. You see my EV has only covered 39 k miles and it has lost 4 out of 12 battery bars and 33% storage capacity and range in the time I have owned it. As far as the wonderful Nissan warranty, it is not worth the paper it is written on. Nissan do not replace batteries within 8 years or 100'000 miles unless there is a total failure. More likely like mine degradation is the problem, with time and use cycles. Nissan's warranty contains the words ' at Nissan's discretion ' also, which means that they can just decide to say no, for any reason they decide. The warranty will return a battery, if they do decide to do it, to 9 battery bars, within the time and mileage period, by repairing or replacing individual cells back up to 8 battery bars ( 3/4 storage capacity ) not replace the battery. To even get this far the battery will have to have been tested yearly, by them during each service also. As well as being presented for a battery storage test at your expense, when a battery fault is presented. I have found my Nissan leaf to be a total let down and basically not fit for purpose, especially long journeys where it has been a nightmare to charge, with long journey times and an abysmal infrastructure. Conversely, I also own a 15 year old Mercedes E Class diesel, with a 650 mile range, returning 51 mpg on a run at dual carriageway speeds, that can also tow my 7.5 metre fixed bed caravan 350 miles without stopping at 50 to 60 mph. There is not an EV on earth that can do that. I also own a 20 year old Mazda MX5, that still is in perfect condition and works wonderfully well, again with the range, I bought it with. My EV has saved me no money as people hint at and it will last approximately half the time my Ice vehicles have. If I was to keep on running an EV, that would mean twice the carbon in manufacture being released, because it has only lasted half as long. My EV has never been abused or regularly rapid charged and has been treated with respect. There are no excuses for it, it is just not as good as my other ice cars period and a logistical disaster.
@EverydayEV
@EverydayEV 3 місяці тому
I appreciate your insight into LEAF ownership, also sorry to hear it hasn’t been what you were expecting. It shows the importance of how a well designed battery pack with a proper battery management system makes batteries more reliable. I’ve seen mixed reports of battery health in old LEAFS based on charging habits, environment of where the vehicle is located, etc that impact the degradation of these air cooled batteries. It’s also extremely frustrating to hear that Nissan isn’t holding up to their warranty… been seeing more and more responses regarding that from this video. I’m glad your other vehicles work for you, but there definitely are better EVs out there for the money (this is coming from someone who just leased a 2023 Nissan LEAF SV PLUS)
@stevezodiac491
@stevezodiac491 3 місяці тому
​@EverydayEV the trouble is there is evidence about modern EV's with liquid battery management and up to date chemistries also degrading badly. ' Battery life channel' some time ago reported his id3 degraded 10% in 2 years and I have seen similar reported on other id range cars and other brands. As far as the Nissan warranty, Nissan are living up to their warranty. It is just that people do not read the words written within it and think that it offers more than what is provided, which it doesn't and never did.
@ETERNITY777
@ETERNITY777 10 місяців тому
😈 NOT CONVINCED YET COMBUSTION ENGINES LAST LONGER WITH GOOD MAINTENENCE 😈
@EverydayEV
@EverydayEV 10 місяців тому
Thanks for the comment and watching our video! That’s the thing, with good maintenance. EVs require significantly less maintaining and upkeep compared to combustion vehicles. In the end, this equals more money spent. - Brandan
@kalmmonke5037
@kalmmonke5037 10 місяців тому
yeah and savagese made a video about direct injection problems... a used toyota is still the best, and if ur rich a volvo v60 is another way to go
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