Can You ACT As Though GOD exists? Sam Harris vs Jordan Peterson

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Can You ACT as though GOD exists? Sam Harris vs Jordan Peterson
#samharris #jordanpeterson #religion #god #atheism #atheist #jesus #bible #christianity
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Sam Harris & Jordan Peterson - Vancouver - 1
Moderated by Bret Weinstein
06/23/2018
This is the first time Sam & Jordan appeared live together on stage. This event took place at the Orpheum Theatre in Vancouver BC Canada on June 23rd 2018 in front of a sold out audience of 3000 people. The event was produced by Pangburn Philosophy.
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@Pangburn
@Pangburn 16 днів тому
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@marcusbrsp
@marcusbrsp 16 днів тому
Jordan Peterson speaks a lot of salad for a guy who only eats meat.
@Comical-Intellect
@Comical-Intellect 13 днів тому
Well said 😂
@rickedwards7276
@rickedwards7276 16 днів тому
Great googly moogly Peterson can just go on and on and on
@MrCanis4
@MrCanis4 15 днів тому
and still getting nowhere.
@rickedwards7276
@rickedwards7276 15 днів тому
@@MrCanis4 he runs on an “intellectual” hamster wheel.
@Jacob-py9mx
@Jacob-py9mx 16 днів тому
Jordan Peterson knows God doesn't actually exist so he talks about goodness, nobility, and values, things that do exist in our minds, and calls all of these things as a collective, a voice from God. But he never actually explains what God is, or why God is necessary as an addition to goodness. He gives answers but in my opinion, not good answers. His choice of Christianity as a wisdom text to derive life lessons from is unnatractive to me because I as a person really DO just want the good and not the bad, and most of Christianity is just ridiculous lies and false promises and hypocrisy, not goodness at all. Like those so called "saints" which are the apostles, I couldn't have chosen a more horrible group of individuals, all poor, all nobodies, all outcasted by their society and even worse, the betrayers, liars, and murderers of their own "master" Jesus Christ. Then theres Paul who's constantly preaching and "peace and love" when his main role before writing the letters that became the new testament, was murder of Christians via stoning them to death. And we know nothing of who Jesus actually was, just what his liar, murderer, poor wretched reject deceiver followers wrote about him. The bible is hardly a book that can be trusted and even if you could trust that it hasn't been modified, it's message is pointless and delivers none of its promises. A Christian can pray his entire life and not be answered a single prayer. That to me is either an evil God, or no God at all, and some very evil people who wrote the bible.
@Stafus
@Stafus 15 днів тому
peterson only uses "god" and chritianity to sell his western white supremacist propaganda.
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 16 днів тому
Peterson is full of shiz … but, it just so happens, the kind that can attract a sizeable Christian audience, sell books, and be profitable … that kind of shiz …
@WEF-APOPHIS-2029
@WEF-APOPHIS-2029 15 днів тому
How very philosophical of you 😂
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 15 днів тому
@@WEF-APOPHIS-2029 One man’s cynicism is another man’s realism … How’s that? Better?! 😉
@MrCanis4
@MrCanis4 15 днів тому
Selling BS can be very lucrative in many countries.
@JohnComeOnMan
@JohnComeOnMan 16 днів тому
Jordan is the most frustratingly convoluted overthinker ever to exist. Without fail, not more than 30 seconds into his rambling answer to a yes or no question I'm tuned out.
@Stafus
@Stafus 15 днів тому
peterson only uses "god" and chritianity to sell his western white supremacist propaganda.
@gaboseries5252
@gaboseries5252 16 днів тому
I don’t want to be immature but… if there’s ever been an appropriate time to do this, it is now. “Blah blah blah.”
@billbradford7898
@billbradford7898 15 днів тому
When an intellectual (JP) speaks ONLY to himself without accepting another person
@markcostello5120
@markcostello5120 16 днів тому
The Raskolnikov character wasn't written as an Atheist but a Christian..
@miquelr2353
@miquelr2353 15 днів тому
How can you say so little in so many words
@Comical-Intellect
@Comical-Intellect 13 днів тому
Like Sam said, if he doesn't understand him, most people probably won't. Also, what dawkins said about him is spot on. Using words most dont understand makes it seem special, like foreign opra music, you can't understand, therefore, assume its probably important. I like JP but this topic cripples his very smart image
@miquelr2353
@miquelr2353 12 днів тому
@@Comical-Intellect he really dances around the meat of a subject like his life depends on it If you have a set of values youre religious according to him. I think I dont wanna be stabbed, so I dont stab other people. Real simple actually
@Comical-Intellect
@Comical-Intellect 12 днів тому
@miquelr2353 haha yeah, also it seems like people called Vince have more in common than a name lol I'm a vinny, Vince, Vincent too!
@muhammedpatel7181
@muhammedpatel7181 16 днів тому
Typically people try to simplify speech when attempting to get their point across. Jordan does the opposite. Word salad.
@joshuawhere
@joshuawhere 2 дні тому
Notice the use of the word "represent". The guy is basically an atheist himself, but he's re-defined "god" and "atheist" in such a way that he can pretend otherwise.
@Jon-tsuki-geri
@Jon-tsuki-geri 13 днів тому
The banning of all religion is the only thing that will lead to a better world.
@robertl.6919
@robertl.6919 15 днів тому
😂😂😂 That’s the most funny speech I have ever heard…. It would make people laugh hard in the context of a comedy show. He says nothing. He just wants to believe in something irrational AND justify the rational in believing something irrational… I wish I could learn by heart what he wrote and make my friends laugh in a party….
@gking407
@gking407 16 днів тому
Meanwhile Christians in 2024: “Jesus in the Bible was too woke and weak, Trump is god’s REAL messenger!” 😂
@MisterG2323
@MisterG2323 15 днів тому
J'ever notice Peterson's fingers look like an Alien facehugger?
@alsindtube
@alsindtube 15 днів тому
It’s complicated, man! You have to consider the metaphysical substrate underlying the theological principles for a value which is transcended only by calculating the biological mandate inherent in our philosophical archetypes and western culture.
@antalgyori6744
@antalgyori6744 15 днів тому
Of course! Isn't it obvious? 😂
@conscientiamngo
@conscientiamngo 15 днів тому
Where was god when our ascendants were running on the Savanahs hiding from preys, pests, viruses, bacteries, etc...?
@atmoo3447
@atmoo3447 16 днів тому
The so called God, is an experience in the moment, were the intellect can not exist. To achieve this you must let go of everything that you think you know. The more intellectual you are, the more difficult this will be.
@magnusTheRed312
@magnusTheRed312 16 днів тому
I haven't had a chance to watch the video yet so I am not sure what they go through so please forgive me if I repeat something they do. But as a Christian, I see atheists the same way you described Christians. I do not see a way, nor have I heard a way, for the creation of the universe without the existence of a higher creator.
@1godlessmonkey
@1godlessmonkey 16 днів тому
Kantian nonsense!
@sierrabianca
@sierrabianca 16 днів тому
@@magnusTheRed312 The first obvious rebuttal is that just because *you* can't see a way doesn't mean there isn't one..I think you'd have to concede that. Secondly, we don't actually know if the Universe "came into" existence in the first place, nor even if it did what would be required to make that happen, so applying human level intuition to a cause for such a scenario is pretty much redundant.
@magnusTheRed312
@magnusTheRed312 16 днів тому
@@sierrabianca Yes I completely agree that just because I cannot see a way that it means that there is none. However, I have debated with a few other people who had proven themselves to be very intelligent and, together the best alternative we came up with was a mindless creator which even still made very little sense. Secondly, while we can't be sure that there was a beginning of the universe as we were obviously not present, there are things that point to it. If I remember correctly, and please correct me if I am wrong, but we have a size for the observable universe as well as a rate of expansion. And because there is no resistance in space to slow objects, we can assume that they have been moving at the same speed since the beginning of time. This gives us a rough beginning. Finally, my biggest problem is with the laws of conservation of mass and energy as well as what a reaction is. Whatever could have created the universe would either have to be outside of it, such as a god, or follow it's rules, such as the big bang which is taught as the beginning in schools. But the big bang could not have created mass to throw into the universe, nor could it have created the energy out of nowhere to propel it. Also, as an explosion (a reaction) it requires an action. It is fair to say that everything in the observable universe is a reaction, meaning that everything is happening because of a string of past events. I would be very happy to continue debating you on this as I do personally enjoy it and truly believe in what I am arguing. But if not, I hope to have changed your mind that the Bible, and Christianity, cannot simply be disproven or brushed off of if taken seriously. Thank you though for responding to me though as many people just aren't willing to challenge their beliefs, even in something as important as this.
@magnusTheRed312
@magnusTheRed312 16 днів тому
Sorry about the long replies btw. I really enjoy debating.
@aaronfreeman5264
@aaronfreeman5264 16 днів тому
Could an AI affirm God, without Prejudice?
@magnusTheRed312
@magnusTheRed312 16 днів тому
I don't think so. As I understand it, AI only knows what it gets from its training data from the Internet. I doubt there is any AI without prejudice because of this.
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 16 днів тому
Which god? They’re geographical, strangely … Where was the AI born?
@Comical-Intellect
@Comical-Intellect 13 днів тому
I like Jordan alot, but he should just say "yes I do believe", hes already indirectly said it when he articulates that if people genuinely don't think there is a god, they would be murderous psychopaths. So he clearly believes it and hes clearly wrong.
@JW-ki8md
@JW-ki8md 16 днів тому
Jordan can’t see the Forest for the trees. Maybe one day he will see the whole forest.
@Stafus
@Stafus 15 днів тому
the real saying is "WOOD for the trees" forest is the american misunderstanding of the saying.
@yarpenzigrin1893
@yarpenzigrin1893 16 днів тому
Every atheist in the West must understand that he believes in all Christian values except the supernatural. It is important that the whole society follows the same values and plays by the same rules.
@Stafus
@Stafus 15 днів тому
peterson only uses "god" and chritianity to sell his western white supremacist propaganda.
@Blackaos367
@Blackaos367 15 днів тому
What?! No need for the so-called "Christian values", there's already something called 'law' to define those "same values ... rules" the whole society follows.
@yarpenzigrin1893
@yarpenzigrin1893 15 днів тому
@@Blackaos367 Where did this 'law' come from? What was the religion of the people who wrote the laws?
@Blackaos367
@Blackaos367 12 днів тому
@@yarpenzigrin1893 , does it matter? In the USA the Freedom of Religion is part of the constitution! Why should your belief be better than mine or someone else's?
@yarpenzigrin1893
@yarpenzigrin1893 12 днів тому
@@Blackaos367 Of course it matters and you can look at the civilization built on each belief if you want to know which one is better.
@wayneharrison
@wayneharrison 16 днів тому
It's like watching roadkill... it's "complicated." 💩🤦‍♂
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