Inside Intel’s Bold $26 Billion U.S. Plan To Regain Chip Dominance

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For decades, Intel was the leading maker of the world’s most advanced chips. Intel’s history is interwoven with that of Silicon Valley, credited with the invention of RAM and microprocessors, the building blocks of modern computing. Now Intel has fallen behind. But its new CEO, Pat Gelsinger, has a bold plan to catch up to Samsung and TSMC by 2025, by building new chip fabrication plants in the U.S., Europe and Israel totaling more than $44 billion. CNBC got an exclusive tour at the fab expansion outside Portland, Oregon, that’s set to open early next year.
The world’s smallest and most-efficient chips are usually referred to as 5 nanometer, a nomenclature that once referred to the width of transistors on the chip. They power cutting-edge data processing and the latest generation of Apple iPhones. TSMC and Samsung make all of these 5-nanometer chips at fabs in Asia.
“They took their eye off the ball,” said Stacy Rasgon, an analyst at Bernstein. “Once you fall off the treadmill, it’s really really difficult to get back on. It’s a very dynamic and fast-moving industry.”
In 1990, 37% of the world’s semiconductors were made in the U.S., according to industry association Semi. Last year, U.S. market share was down to 12%, according to the association. The government is hoping to change that with the CHIPS Act, which includes a proposed $52 billion in subsidies for chip companies like Intel that commit to manufacturing in the U.S.
“It also starts building up that base within the United States, so that the United States can become more self-sufficient,” said Ann Kelleher, Intel’s senior vice president of technology development .
TSMC is responsible for 92% of the world’s 5-nanometer chips, according to research group Capital Economics. This leaves the global chip supply vulnerable to natural disasters like earthquakes and the region’s current drought. There’s also the escalating geopolitical tension between China and Taiwan, as well as the U.S.-China trade war.
“Every aspect of defense, intelligence, government operations is becoming more digital,” Gelsinger said. “And we want to rely on foreign technology for those critical aspects of our defense and national security? I don’t think so.”
The next steps in Intel’s playbook include a chip so efficient that the company didn’t measure it in nanometers but with an even smaller unit of measurement called the angstrom. Intel said the 18a, which is in development for 2025, will accelerate the company past its competitors.
“We will be the world’s largest integrated design and manufacturer of silicon for the long term,” Gelsinger said.
“It’s a tall order and it is not my expectation that he will hit that,” Susquehanna’s Rolland said. “But if he could hit that timetable, it would put them back, in my opinion, on par with TSM head to head.”
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Inside Intel’s Bold $26 Billion U.S. Plan To Regain Chip Dominance

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@CarFreeSegnitz
@CarFreeSegnitz 2 роки тому
13:35 5nm chips are NOT in NASA spacecraft and rovers. The radiation regimes they have to operate in would fry them in minutes. Perseverance rover on Mars uses BAE RAD750 chips whose smallest feature sizes are 150nm, 30 times linearly smaller, 900 times less dense in total features.
@danielfoster9782
@danielfoster9782 2 роки тому
Yes, I was also annoyed at this. Space hardened processors are made with silicon on sapphire instead of plain silicon wafers. In addition the transistor density of intel 10 nm process is about equivalent to TSMC & Samsung's 7 nm. CNBC couldn't be bothered to report this accurately either. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening
@striker44
@striker44 2 роки тому
30x linearly bigger you mean.
@prateekpanwar646
@prateekpanwar646 2 роки тому
Even on earth these cosmic flips occur so often. In space it'll go nuts.
@prateekpanwar646
@prateekpanwar646 2 роки тому
@@striker44 physical size, yes. In terms of transistor count, smaller.
@striker44
@striker44 2 роки тому
@@prateekpanwar646 the latter is already pointed by his comment on density. I am talking about the lateral dimension or size comment.
@Lycan3303
@Lycan3303 2 роки тому
They will never overtake Doritos
@ninac4501
@ninac4501 2 роки тому
Did you know that Doritos were invented at Disneyland in 1964?
@Praetor_Fenix420
@Praetor_Fenix420 2 роки тому
Nor will they have a chance against Funyuns.
@pjacobsen1000
@pjacobsen1000 2 роки тому
You never know. Silicon flavored dip may be the next big thing.
@Praetor_Fenix420
@Praetor_Fenix420 2 роки тому
@@pjacobsen1000 I like your optimism. Maybe Frito-Lay will introduce a 2mm Chilli Cheese Chip.
@romips9839
@romips9839 2 роки тому
Doritos has high power consumption. Isn't actually effecient
@HevaNaisdey
@HevaNaisdey 2 роки тому
It's a play field with only 3 players for decades, TSMC, Samsung, and Intel. Samsung already pour $17bn to build a semiconductor factory in TX, and they are trying to get it online very very quickly. It's not in our favor, as consumers, if Intel exits the game. Let's hope Intel can make a strong come back.
@emmanueloluga9770
@emmanueloluga9770 2 роки тому
They HAVE. Intel for the future
@obtuseangler768
@obtuseangler768 Рік тому
With a free 26 billion, why wouldn't they make it? Do you support your government not having money for veterans but having money to give to Intel for no reason? Let's not talk as though Intel isn't one of the most profitable companies in the US...they can certainly afford to build their own damn factories. Shame on Biden for this shameless corporate welfare and theft of tax dollars.
@michaelmichaelagnew8503
@michaelmichaelagnew8503 Рік тому
They are going to have too. TSMC will vanish if China gets their way. China might get their fabs but they will not be able to make their chips without the help of the rest of the world. TSMC is a joint venture of allot of companies in Europe and other places in a sense they supply TSMC with the resources for them to make all the chips. Resources China does not have. The smartest thing TSMC can do right now is move all their manufacturing to the United States if they want to still exist in the future. If not its just going to be Samsung and Intel.
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@rickjason215
@rickjason215 2 роки тому
I’ve been an investor for 30 years. One thing I’ve learned is these analysts you see on TV never get anything right. Everything they say sounds logical, but it is usually wrong. If they could really predict the future of companies, they wouldn’t tell you for free on tv.
@rambodini
@rambodini 2 роки тому
they dont have vision and dont understand technology. When you dont fully understand a hyper complex system how can you predict its future?!
@karlopeternel7685
@karlopeternel7685 2 роки тому
💯
@juliotancredi7468
@juliotancredi7468 2 роки тому
Agreed.
@jollipetdrive3660
@jollipetdrive3660 2 роки тому
Whatever they say you do the opposite. That’s what I’ve learnt. 🤣
@rambodini
@rambodini 2 роки тому
@Technotopia I know they dont tell me everything because i know everything myself. Im a microprocessor designer.
@issiewizzie
@issiewizzie 2 роки тому
competition is always a good thing .... I wish them plenty luck
@starwreck
@starwreck 2 роки тому
competition is a sin
@richardk2495
@richardk2495 2 роки тому
@@starwreck *lack of education
@jorgenascimento9710
@jorgenascimento9710 2 роки тому
@@richardk2495 he must be one of those socialists that spends all day ready Marx and Lenin
@michaelbishop3439
@michaelbishop3439 2 роки тому
@@jorgenascimento9710 along with authoritarian theocrat.
@hyy3657
@hyy3657 2 роки тому
bring the fab back!!
@kanbala4473
@kanbala4473 2 роки тому
On technology tsmc actually pays their engineers in Taiwan as much as Intel pays their engineers in Arizona The brightest phD graduate from MIT, CIT, Stanford , Berkley now goes to Google, apple, FB, Tesla … Intel is not on their top 10 dream job list While top graduates in Taiwan still joins tsmc TSMC’s night hawk project actually make 24 hours, 3 shifts R&D One of their RD executive joked about it : intel’s people are 2x smarter than my engineer , but we work 3 times harder
@paulbellas8797
@paulbellas8797 8 місяців тому
The description of chip size shows some really big misunderstanding of circuit size by CNBC. The nanometer description describes the size of the circuit pathway inscribed on the chip and not the size of the chip. You can have really big chips at 2nm and really small chips that are 10nm. Really depends on the number of transistors and transistor size.
@MusicalMemeology
@MusicalMemeology 2 роки тому
It’s almost like they shouldn’t have spent $60 billion on stock buybacks and instead been investing in their chip technology.
@tindo7147
@tindo7147 2 роки тому
What happens when you put finance people in charge of a tech company.
@i486DX66
@i486DX66 2 роки тому
Correct.
@rickjason215
@rickjason215 2 роки тому
Top people in the company ended up with tens of millions of dollars. They would probably disagree with you.
@clintgolub1751
@clintgolub1751 2 роки тому
Hey man the executives got fabulously wealthy and it was worth it to them
@ssuwandi3240
@ssuwandi3240 2 роки тому
Their legacy victory is typically a barrier with this type of company... The swampy politicians got overpaid but not for shareholders interests
@Steamrick
@Steamrick 2 роки тому
Intel wants to surpass TSMC with $26 billion? They do know that TSMC is investing $100 billion over the next 3 years, right? CNBC reported on that, too. Also, 18A by 2025? Translating from Intel Time, I'm guessing we'll see first small-scale products (probably a mobile CPU) by 2030.
@naveenbattula
@naveenbattula 2 роки тому
TSMC needs more capacity for other partners intel will probably use most if it's capacity for itself 100B over next 3 years maybe but how much of that is R&D and how much is cost to setup new facilities
@jms3827
@jms3827 2 роки тому
I'm pretty sure that $26 billion number is their r&d figures over the next two years. Their total investment is much more than that. Their going to spend $95 billion in the EU alone with more investment in the US in the future. Their new CEO is going to spend so much on r&d that their shareholders are worried their pockets will be affected. I really hope intel can catch up. It will be difficult but Americas tech leadership is at stake and Pat focusing more on long term gains by spending big on r&d instead of short term gains to please shareholders like his predecessors is already a good sign of things to come.
@user78405
@user78405 2 роки тому
tsmc is bankrupting their owned country in debt vs us only spending 26 billion and intel is american....so just watch asian countries collapse by their debt and their people gonna riot to their government pretty soon now...china gonna see this a opportunity when that happen, not our concern when we got intel...they can keep their tsmc under water
@BattousaiHBr
@BattousaiHBr 2 роки тому
@@user78405 if the US cant collapse under their current 30+ trillion debt, i think taiwan will be fine with just a few billion.
@billwhoever2830
@billwhoever2830 2 роки тому
@@naveenbattula when a single asml machine costs 180million intel will need to sell to others as well. Such machines have a life expectancy of a few years. This means that these machines need to work 24/7 for the next 3 years with no stop to make the invest worth it. Intel is not building the machines, they buy them from asml. Curently TSMC is a much better customer for ASML, the more you buy the better and more important customer you are. The 100B Tsmc spends is for the next gen 3nm machines while the 26B intel spends are for the old 10nm and 7nm machines. Tsmc is already operating 5nm machines, months now.
@yt-is-mal
@yt-is-mal 2 місяці тому
I come from the future! It's 2024, Nothing has changed. TSMC FTW.
@rcatv7750
@rcatv7750 2 роки тому
This is likely the best move for Intel. Had they decided to completely abandon manufacturing they'd likely eventually end up like IBM, or worse, Motorola!
@masteryoda394
@masteryoda394 2 роки тому
This is the worst move. It would be a lot cheaper to teach Intel's employees Chinese, saves a lot of money and trouble.
@falcon127
@falcon127 2 роки тому
CHINA OWNES MOTOROLA AND THE US MILITARY RADIO TECHNOLOGY FROM MOTOROLA! CHINA WILL BE ABLE TO USE COUNTERMEASURES ON ALL US MILITARY RADIOS MANUFACTURED BY MOTOROLA!!! NICE, SMART, DUMM & DUMMER!
@fredschnerbert1238
@fredschnerbert1238 Рік тому
Or Dell? Where is Dell?
@jamescarter8311
@jamescarter8311 Рік тому
@@masteryoda394 Anyone who knows history knows not to bet against Intel.
@masteryoda394
@masteryoda394 Рік тому
@@jamescarter8311 They will recently build more semiconductor plants in Europe, so I think I was wrong there.
@George-ni5ic
@George-ni5ic 2 роки тому
When the commentator said he had no idea how a company could miss a completion date for new technology development, he exposes himself as someone that has never tried to build something completely new. Engineering at this level is seriously hard and hideously complex.
@edwint1780
@edwint1780 2 роки тому
I don't get the skepticism these pundits are exhibiting towards Intel. Okay Intel had made some bad business decisions in the past like missing the mobile market, so what. Lot's of businesses have made bad business decisions and recovered. Look at Apple, back in the 90s it was near bankruptcy due to its bad product lineup and today they are one of the most successful companies of all time. Intel has the tools, know-how and the capital needed to recover. Another thing to remember is that the US government is going to be a big supporter of Intel's efforts in order to gain independence from Asia. So Intel has that going for them. Having U.S. as a sponsor is not a bad thing for the company.
@KTK-o
@KTK-o 2 роки тому
@@edwint1780 True, Apple also missed the opportunity to aquire Tesla which is now a trillion dollar company. Lik you said, many companies have made mistakes
@arun2686
@arun2686 2 роки тому
@George... Couldn't agree more.. We are talking about nanometres here and it's all high end bleeding edge technology... Can't imagine the engineering challenges required to overcome to lessen each nm.. Which commentators will never appreciate
@markubiak
@markubiak 2 роки тому
Dude had no volume other than "scream" as well, very annoying
@davec8153
@davec8153 2 роки тому
And yet both TSMC and Samsung managed to succeed in reaching 5nm and overtake Intel. There should be no excuses, Intel messed up. If it's not abundantly clear at this point: Playing the fab game is a winner takes most competition. Intel doesn't get much more than scraps for being second place in the transistor race.
@mamleshbohari2200
@mamleshbohari2200 2 роки тому
It's really cool to see an amazing Engineer who was involved in making of the real products of Intel to be the CEO of Intel ... finally a good CEO rather than just MBAs.... Intel will surely see a turnaround and regain its position again .
@DavidYordan777
@DavidYordan777 2 роки тому
in 4-5 years later...
@centerfresh8472
@centerfresh8472 2 роки тому
Time doesn't matter. There's no guarantee that TSMC will last forever.
@AlistairMaxwell77
@AlistairMaxwell77 2 роки тому
@@centerfresh8472 its not about tsmc , its been handy to have a gen ahead fab for amd but what has setup their success is the core zen architecture which was designed from scratch to scale forseeing the multicore future we now have where intel's was not . zen 4 and 5 will crush intel for at least the next 5 or 6 years and thats a long long time for shareholders with weak hands to sit in 2nd place on a ceo with big dreams who isnt getting immediate results
@helldotsin
@helldotsin 2 роки тому
This new guy talks a lot about hopes and dreams. Maybe too much than what he can make happen by 2025. 18A? Took them THIS long to start building a fab for 10nm that costs more than twice as much as TSMC with their 5nm. Lol.
@helldotsin
@helldotsin 2 роки тому
@@centerfresh8472 intel has a better chance of falling than TSMC. Just look at how many customers they've got, how reliable and successful, and advancements they've got going on.
@x31moose
@x31moose 2 роки тому
Intel engineers work 8-5 M-F, Samsung and TSMC engineers work 6-6 M-S. There is no way Intel will ever catch up.
@JoaoSilva22222
@JoaoSilva22222 2 роки тому
Holy god...i ll pretend i didnt read this.
@ndjarnag
@ndjarnag Рік тому
Senior process engineers don’t work 9-5 at Intel. Lmao. It’s a grueling exhausting job.
@thuydoan7496
@thuydoan7496 Рік тому
I'm glad Intel engineers don't work too long, otherwise they would exhaust themselves. There is so much that a human brain can take. It needs rest to be able to function properly and reach the zen of productivity. I know because I always do fine work after taking a long break at which time my brain is prepared to do anything that I throw at it.
@pedrocortez197
@pedrocortez197 Рік тому
Kudos to Pat Gelsinger. It is exciting to see an actual Engineer, a true geek run Intel 👏👊
@PashaGamingYT
@PashaGamingYT 2 роки тому
"How big is the building?" "20 football fields."
@PashaGamingYT
@PashaGamingYT 2 роки тому
@Laura Brown w h a t
@donwong3577
@donwong3577 2 роки тому
The US will literally use anything but the metric system. "2057 Cheeseburgers", "783 AK-47s", "23 cornfields"...you get my point.
@jesseflores9087
@jesseflores9087 2 роки тому
@@donwong3577 lmao... dude! you have me howling haha
@francisphillipeck4272
@francisphillipeck4272 2 роки тому
around 14++++++
@burakalpyasar755
@burakalpyasar755 2 роки тому
Freedom measurements.
@prateekpanwar646
@prateekpanwar646 2 роки тому
I learnt that for a technology company, Having an engineer CEO makes a great difference in product which I think Intel proved to be true
@JKMT
@JKMT 2 роки тому
CEO: What potato do you use in our chips
@InDreamsYourMine
@InDreamsYourMine 2 роки тому
Don't you mean AMD? AMD was on the verge of bankruptcy till Lisa Su, a engineer took control and now AMD is out performing Intel.
@main_tak_becus6689
@main_tak_becus6689 2 роки тому
@@InDreamsYourMine but AMD's market share is far behind Intel. For gaming, I'd choose Intel any day.
@InDreamsYourMine
@InDreamsYourMine 2 роки тому
@@main_tak_becus6689 Market share and sells to OEMS Intel is still ahead, but in terms of DIY, AMD is out performing Intel in sales.
@TravisBerthelot
@TravisBerthelot 2 роки тому
@@main_tak_becus6689 AMD is better for gaming streamers for 2 years now. Intel made a bad call by not ordering from TSMC 4 years ago and now they are still paying the price.
@wolf-man-bear-pig-torque
@wolf-man-bear-pig-torque Рік тому
I have a friend who used to work at one of the fabs in Chandler. He said a lot of work fell behind because of toxic office politics that kept building up since the 2000s, and there's still a pretty strong Good Old Boys mentality among the management which hinders solving problems. Problems got even worst since the pandemic, with people abusing policies and management just not giving a damn. Toxic Work Politics and management problems happens at every workplace, but this semiconductor industry is so intense and fast pace, any small hiccup can be very costly in terms of money and delays.
@bob456fk6
@bob456fk6 Рік тому
When I started working in the semiconductor industry in the '60's, integrated circuits were in their infancy, Now the scenes inside these new fabs look like science fiction!
@khaldounal-nuaimi3594
@khaldounal-nuaimi3594 2 роки тому
If intel actually manages to deliver 18A by 2025, then Pat will deserve so much praise. Catching up to competition and surpassing them in such a short time span is a Miricale ( IF it happens).
@Extys
@Extys 2 роки тому
If anyone can pull it off, it's Pat.
@BattousaiHBr
@BattousaiHBr 2 роки тому
bold words honestly. while their direct competition in the CPU market (amd) is on 7nm that's just because a bigger fish (apple) is buying out all the even more advanced 5nm stock. and i believe tsmc already has started 3nm production, which should be hitting shelves next year for iphones. if amd decided it wanted to pay a premium for those 3nm chips then intel would find itself in a terrible spot.
@KTK-o
@KTK-o 2 роки тому
@@Extys intel needed Pat a LONG time ago. Id imagine intel wouldn't be in this mess to begine with if they didn't put incompetant CEOs.
@dragon.fromindia3235
@dragon.fromindia3235 2 роки тому
SILICON CHIPS SHORTAGE ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THIS 21 CENTURY.
@evalangley3985
@evalangley3985 2 роки тому
@@Extys ROFL... the investors don't believe so!
@raunakshahi8485
@raunakshahi8485 2 роки тому
Would love to see Intel make a comeback, especially after their designs falling behind those of AMDs, chips manufacturing in the US would also strengthen the supply chain
@tradertim
@tradertim 2 роки тому
They will
@blablabla6975
@blablabla6975 2 роки тому
@Solendore but your power consumption is ridiculous, of course you achieve more performance if you throw more power at it. Power efficiency is just as important as performance
@robx8972
@robx8972 2 роки тому
@Solendore im an electrical engineering student and would love to work with you after hearing how passionate you are about your company
@dertythegrower
@dertythegrower 2 роки тому
AMD is still slower than Intel.. for sure in top performance benchmarks. Apple m1 also is nothing at all good in benchmarks for power and video power. The best is still nvidia and intel powered gaming PC, simple and fact if you research the famous benchmark called Port Royal Hall of Fame benchmarks... Luumi is one of the youtubers who proves it with nitrogen cooling intel chips and nvidia for graphics.. its been the best and I build PC for 20 years, I know what I am talking about (aka you cannot correct the facts)
@coacharchlane
@coacharchlane 2 роки тому
Alder lake cpus are crushing everything on the market. Will be interested in how AMD responds.
@dosmastrify
@dosmastrify 2 роки тому
1:20 no. They Fired all the engineers and this is what happened as a result. YES THE ENGINEERS WERE DOING SOMETHING VALUE ADDED
@MrGuillevem
@MrGuillevem 2 роки тому
Yes. It is good to see engineers running companies that were originally created by them . Who knows better and have more common sense about management a company that the ones who understand what they do and what they need to succeed.
@TheDavidlloydjones
@TheDavidlloydjones Рік тому
Half true, Guillevem. Ford, a brilliant mechanic with at least three of the greatest engineers of the century on his side, was beaten by Sloan, the genius of marketing and organization, who put General Motors together. (Sloan then managed to lose most of his own personal fortune in an ill-advised attempt to "correct" what he sw as the market's underappreciation of his genius: good at management does not necessarily mean good at financial speculation...)
@user-lt5no1xt1z
@user-lt5no1xt1z Місяць тому
​@@TheDavidlloydjoneslol look at Ford and GM today
@Smooththatsme
@Smooththatsme 2 роки тому
I hope intel is successful with their U.S. operations. We need this!
@michaelmanning4158
@michaelmanning4158 2 роки тому
Agreed another fab with be highly beneficial
@vandankholme2898
@vandankholme2898 2 роки тому
us labour culture will find semicon fab arent compatible
@dertythegrower
@dertythegrower 2 роки тому
@@vandankholme2898 We have FAB here already guy, try to keep up
@tooltalk
@tooltalk 2 роки тому
@@ageminiani : TSMC is not building the latest nodes in Arizona. wake the f up.
@alanmay7929
@alanmay7929 2 роки тому
@@ageminiani nonsense.....
@brianlech631
@brianlech631 2 роки тому
I like how you can tell Intel would only do the story if they said nothing about AMD. "Our sales were down due to supply issues and PC Demand" *looks at AMD's earning sheets during same period* "Yeah I'm going to have to say your story didn't check out"
@Aiyahhh
@Aiyahhh 2 роки тому
Ya, the moment they left AMD out when saying TSMC and Samsung are in the lead I knew this was not going to be unbiased reporting.
@siddhantgarodia3381
@siddhantgarodia3381 2 роки тому
@@Aiyahhh AMD is a part of TSMC so...
@adsrbad9733
@adsrbad9733 2 роки тому
@@siddhantgarodia3381 lmao not it is not. AMD is an independent company. It only contracts TSMC for all of its chips.
@brianvalencia9001
@brianvalencia9001 2 роки тому
@@Aiyahhh this is chip manufacturing, amd buys their chips intel makes their own
@striker44
@striker44 2 роки тому
AMD is fabless, uses TSMC as contract manufacturer. Intel has its own fab and that's what the premise of this news.
@hawkeyeaerialphotography6652
@hawkeyeaerialphotography6652 2 роки тому
We need more chip manufacturing in the US.
@danielash1704
@danielash1704 2 роки тому
Just as 65 motors driven from one chipset of controlling the process of creating a smooth assembly system that thinks sees and feel everything around it is shocking and wonderful at the same time.
@rockyjohnson9243
@rockyjohnson9243 2 роки тому
The Heart and Soul of Intel is back at the Helm. I look forward to seeing these factorys open up and for us to become more independent again. I hope this is not forgotten going forward from this point. Keep it up :)
@emmanueloluga9770
@emmanueloluga9770 2 роки тому
Yes this. Independence is Gold. America needs to regain no. 1 spot in this sector. I joined this industry thanks in parts to Robert Noucd and Jack Kilby
@donaldkasper8346
@donaldkasper8346 Рік тому
Reverse globalization. Cheap foreign suppliers are great if they ship stuff to you. North Korea, Japan, and China all have one problem, they are all close to China, that wants to go to war to conquer everything in sight in the Western Pacific.
@Joey-ct8bm
@Joey-ct8bm Рік тому
@@emmanueloluga9770Allright independence.. Fine! ASLM is a Dutch company. So my country the Netherlands should make chips themselves. Setting the chipmanufacturers of the world back a decade. Without the technology of ASLM Intel's plans fail immediately.
@ShawnJonesHellion
@ShawnJonesHellion Рік тому
Never go full r3tard. Intel like usa is an israelie company. Usa does not make anything. Even their movies an internet an books an religions an anti religions an rulers are israelie. Im assuming the local bakeries an mc donalds aren't even run by them an making their food
@ShastaLevi
@ShastaLevi Рік тому
@@Joey-ct8bm Well not how things work, Europe has been the world's factory when is comes to high tech factory machines whatever the end product those machines produce is never their business to produce. That's why ASML has never been into making chips it's just another world that they probably dont want to bother with not to mention atlist another company has come up with a similar machine hence in the near future there will be quite a number of players in that industry maybe not many but ASML won't dominate that industry forever.
@OFFF861
@OFFF861 2 роки тому
*"When you've been standing on top for so long.. you forget to look down."* - probably Intel *"They'll never see us coming."* - probably AMD
@davonwhite70
@davonwhite70 2 роки тому
AMD buys its chips from TSM lol
@teachmehowtodoge1737
@teachmehowtodoge1737 2 роки тому
@@davonwhite70 and now they’re getting more market share. Now Samsung and Sony are AMD’s partner. Lol.
@jum5238
@jum5238 2 роки тому
I once proposed Intel buy up ARM, but they were focused on MIPS instead.
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 2 роки тому
@@jum5238 yeah well nobody's perfect
@Marc_YTC
@Marc_YTC 2 роки тому
​@@jum5238 Amd Is already making arm chips with Samsung for future phones and Pc like apple did with newest Macbooks with M1 but Amd wants to make Exynos chips with rdna 2 similar performance as Rx6000 series if everything goes well
@aslantabe1447
@aslantabe1447 7 місяців тому
love to see this, let's make the US independent!
@Rikimkigsck
@Rikimkigsck 2 роки тому
We need Intel to be a competitor. Hope they succeed. Remember folks less competition means less innovation and less efficiency improvements.
@royroy8697
@royroy8697 2 роки тому
what competition threes only 3 companies to choose from. 2 realistically speaking since apparently Intel has been irrelevant for the past 10 years.
@leoccc
@leoccc 2 роки тому
12:39 TSMC is one of the most significant suppliers for Intel, this is very convincing that TSMC is only focus on Manufacturing the chips, and very trustworthy for their customers.
@kiroshki
@kiroshki 2 роки тому
And a reason why China will take Taiwan rly soon. To have under their hand microprocesor factories.
@leoccc
@leoccc 2 роки тому
@@kiroshki understood,the reason why TSMC can produce one of the most sophisticated chips today is manly because their suppliers trust TSMC,ASML, Applied Materials and TOK are key suppliers for TSMC,without these suppliers,China still can't produce most powerful chips even TSMC falls on their hands,because no high-tech company trusts China.
@cobaltblue2756
@cobaltblue2756 2 роки тому
@@kiroshki that's irrelevant imo , China re-unification has been country agenda since second leader deng Xiaoping
@ejchang9217
@ejchang9217 2 роки тому
@@cobaltblue2756 We Taiwanese are used to it. China has been making their war cries for over 70 years since 1949, the year they declared independence and founded their People's Republic of China.
@ejchang9217
@ejchang9217 2 роки тому
@@cobaltblue2756 Re-unification? Taiwan has never been ruled by the People's Republic of China. And that's a fact.
@hiufgterde
@hiufgterde 2 роки тому
TSMC is light years ahead. This is not something they can just fix by throwing some money at it. TSMC has positioned itself much better for success
@schembfs
@schembfs 2 роки тому
Not quite that simple. TSMC does not design their own chips, they only build chips that other companies designed or licensed. Intel does both (design and build). Additionally, Intel not only designs their own architecture, they also keep refining their own instruction set. These are highly complex processes and not easy to do. Second, TSMC is also highly reliant on other tech firms like ASML for components to build chips using the current EUV lithography process without which =
@Vylkeer
@Vylkeer 2 роки тому
TSMC is a processor manufacturer. Intel’s competitors are Samsung, AMD, Nvidia, Qualcomm and Apple.
@RaineRed
@RaineRed 2 роки тому
They are ahead but not light years.
@evm6177
@evm6177 2 роки тому
@Nelson Swanberg The Game of chip wars is about to get all dirty again people! 🍷🇺🇸 vs 🇹🇼 vs 🇨🇳
@SanctuaryLife
@SanctuaryLife 2 роки тому
Building the new foundry’s in Arizona keeps them off the coast a little during the war with China so they have a slightly better chance to continue pumping them out.
@pn2543
@pn2543 Рік тому
I worked in a few fabs, I appreciate every Intel CPU/SOC I use, I know how hard they are to make!
@ajsteven
@ajsteven 2 роки тому
I thought this documentary was really well done. Hit all the key Intel historical notes, while giving the present challenges that Intel faces context. I worked there for 15 years, knew Andy Grove, and believe or not, when I was there, Pat Gelsinger was only two levels above me, and I saw him frequently. He is a tech geek engineer like me, and seems to be carefully redirecting the ship to sail into a new port, as Andy Grove did a few times…..
@emypena
@emypena 2 роки тому
A few years back its how Samsung plan to catch Intel dominance. Intel used to be years ahead of competition. It started with their cost cutting, closing down plants to maximize profit while investing less in R&D.
@ctcards2636
@ctcards2636 2 роки тому
I remember back when AMD released the K6-2 and it was starting to show up in Gateway and Dell machines. I thought Intel was in trouble, especially with the cost of the Intel chips being significantly higher. But AMD didnt end up taking over. Now here we are decades later and AMD has finally gotten its foot in the door to a point that Intel has to do all of this stuff in this video to compete. Interesting.
@tweedy4sg
@tweedy4sg 2 роки тому
It is AMD's decision to go fabless -- outsource manufacturing & focus on design that really helped them surpassed Intel.
@billlam7756
@billlam7756 2 роки тому
Intel too cocky to make new cpu. Every generation is a slight refresh and not really anything new. They deserve it, by the end of the day its GREED
@philippesoares1745
@philippesoares1745 2 роки тому
@@billlam7756 like AMD was back in the day. The problem isn't Intel as a whole, but the fact that almost all managerial jobs were took other by purely financial guys. Bean counters like they are called by most engineers.
@Davethreshold
@Davethreshold 2 роки тому
ALDER LAKE is here.
@Duke_of_Prunes
@Duke_of_Prunes 2 роки тому
@@philippesoares1745 Supposedly, the new CEO is an engineer.
@NikolaosSkordilis
@NikolaosSkordilis 2 роки тому
3:23 RAM is an acronym for "Random Access Memory", _not_ 'short term memory'. RAM is a volatile memory but it cannot be considered 'short term', because as long as you do not reboot or power off the machine it can hold data and instructions for days or even weeks+. This is the case with servers, which barely ever reboot.
@chevalier5691
@chevalier5691 2 роки тому
Yes but it will be extremely confusing for your normal average viewers to understand the word "random access"
@Jane-qh2yd
@Jane-qh2yd 2 роки тому
Short term is actually a good way to describe it. It's not short in terms of time, but in terms of cycles where the machine is powered on
@keithstevens5614
@keithstevens5614 Рік тому
Is there a way to uninstall Intel's last update introduced about 2 weeks ago, mid July, 2022? It made crashes worse. Now the screen totally blacks out.
@jdkingsley6543
@jdkingsley6543 2 роки тому
The biggest issue with establishment entities is that they always fail to take chances and leaps. No one learned from Blackberries failures?
@bjc9520
@bjc9520 2 роки тому
If I were a betting man, I'd have money on Intel getting back on top again. Speaking as an Accountant, Engineers should always run these kinds of companies.
@gregramsey9545
@gregramsey9545 2 роки тому
Smart money would be shorting Intel.
@Cryo837
@Cryo837 2 роки тому
So glad to see a REAL engineer back in charge of INTEL. The worst choices to lead tech/engineering companies are hires from outside who are NOT engineers but from unrelated fields (e.g. Financial, Marketing, etc.) or even worse...."diversity" hires who are not engineers. Engineers can more easily understand business than businessmen can understand engineering. When I was in college becoming an electrical engineer the joke was that those who couldn't cut it as engineers went into "busyness".
@teachmehowtodoge1737
@teachmehowtodoge1737 2 роки тому
Intel should skip 7nm and go for less than 5nm processors, that’s the only way they can catch up.
@yeehaw5741
@yeehaw5741 2 роки тому
@@gregramsey9545 12th gen seems promising, and they do have a good plan with plenty of fabs coming, i say its a good time to buy now
@joshua22267
@joshua22267 2 роки тому
@@gregramsey9545 gonna wait to get my div. Then bounce. Buying tsmc
@manlyadventures
@manlyadventures 2 роки тому
6 years ago Intel cut the heart out of techs and engineering Corp, with lay offs to meet investors demands for higher returns. It crippled PTD and the 10 Nm process. It was also age discrimination, with 90% over 45 years and 20+ years with the company. Now they need the employees and can find any....
@matrix01234567899
@matrix01234567899 Рік тому
4004 wasn't a first CPU. It was first publicly available CPU in one integrated circuit. Eariel CPU's was made of multiple conected integrated circuits.
@keith1689
@keith1689 2 роки тому
Wouldn’t have to do this if we hadn’t given up our chip dominance in the 90s due to lack of vision smh. Tech is now.. and tech is the future.
@ikjadoon
@ikjadoon 2 роки тому
Yep. Intel was extremely anti-competitive in the 90: I think over $2b in anti-trust fines. Govt failed to reign it in and now is stuck with a second-rate fab.
@hyy3657
@hyy3657 2 роки тому
@@ikjadoon bad governing and greedy....
@dragon.fromindia3235
@dragon.fromindia3235 2 роки тому
SILICON CHIPS SHORTAGE ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THIS 21 CENTURY.
@keith1689
@keith1689 2 роки тому
@Jee Vang Sure I do. I am a tax paying citizen of the country giving Intel the tax brakes it so enjoys. If you had any intelligence you'd have understood what I mean by "We"
@worldofai-games1036
@worldofai-games1036 2 роки тому
Intel’s manufacturing process was competitive and leading until about 2015 when they had trouble going from 14nm to 10nm. That was when TSMC surpassed them by going into 7nm and 5nm. AMD also redesigned their chips around this time (The first Ryzen) so despite larger and sparser transistors, they were able to make a big boost from their old Excavator like of CPUs and be 80% competitive with Intel. Intel kept the old P6 architecture from 1998 going for as long as they could. It would have been great if Intel didn’t laugh at AMD’s puzzle block strategy (CPU consisting of small does and connecting them together with infinity fabric) when they’re now using them too
@Phoenix9q
@Phoenix9q 2 роки тому
Please note Samsung and tsmc 5nm chips are really about the same size as Intel's "7nm" chips. It's how each manufacturer measures their chips.
@chinogambino9375
@chinogambino9375 2 роки тому
They still need to get their 7nm out, intel 10nm rebranded to 7 is closer to TSMC 7nm, maybe 6+ in a year. The are definitely behind.
@MrMannyhw
@MrMannyhw 2 роки тому
Didnt IBM develop a 3nm recently?
@tubester4567
@tubester4567 2 роки тому
@@ageminiani Not many people in the world can afford M1 IMac but anyway Intel has plans to compete, and I think they will succeed. They have to, the US is awake to the fact that semiconductors are important for national security. The US cant rely on Taiwan when they could be at war with China at any time. Intel plans to make its own designs, and designs from other manufacturers. Intel is responsible for the personal computer, I wouldnt under-estimate them.
@kieranwalkerkw
@kieranwalkerkw 2 роки тому
tsmc are planning on shipping 2nm (reportedly non-silicon chips) in 2025, but Intel might well at least come close to catching up. A monopoly/duopoly would be awful for progress so here's hoping!
@ristekostadinov2820
@ristekostadinov2820 2 роки тому
@@ageminiani ARM chips are clean sheet design, many of the x86 have old code inside. Second intel and amd have general purpose processor the M1 is made exclusively for apple products and they can optimize it to work properly on their OS. If Microsoft design their own chip and send it to TSMC for production on their 5nm process it will be probably faster than the AMD/Intel that are currently on the market.
@esra_erimez
@esra_erimez 7 місяців тому
My dad learned how to program x86 assembler language from Pat Gelsinger's book. He has complete confidence in Pat
@danielash1704
@danielash1704 2 роки тому
The most important thing is to make sure you have the right balance between your relationship with your employees and the employees can talk to each other as a whole.
@shamilampinga
@shamilampinga 2 роки тому
Good PR by Intel. One thing about Americans, they're patriotic so I'm not surprised that CNBC has done this PR piece for Intel.
@forgotten1s
@forgotten1s 2 роки тому
Say PR again ^-^ lmfao
@abshirali2284
@abshirali2284 2 роки тому
Half of this video was a bad rep for intel
@andriod8014
@andriod8014 2 роки тому
Never knew stating facts is just patriotic stances. Even when their literal pieces of intel creating most modern pieces of a computer.
@astroNexx
@astroNexx 2 роки тому
It does seem like a very strong pr copywriting… only time will tell how strong their product will be. But at this point they are super far behind
@AE-nf8nz
@AE-nf8nz 2 роки тому
iterally
@chrismayher617
@chrismayher617 2 роки тому
As someone who was deciding to invest into Intel or TSMC 2 years ago the choice was too easy.TSMC is the 10th largest company in the world, way better leadership and invest heavily into R&D.Intels five years behind at best and TSMC has too much market share.The only thing that would hurt them is natural disaster or China conflict
@brianvalencia9001
@brianvalencia9001 2 роки тому
Amd was 5 years behind and then released ryzen to kick intels ass, intel just made patrick gehsinger CEO (hes an actual engineer) and are pouring billions into rhis operation im sure theyll be fine
@chrismayher617
@chrismayher617 2 роки тому
@@brianvalencia9001 I’m saying you’re wrong.They don’t control the most complicated part of the semiconductor ecosystem and TSMC is as close to a monopoly as it gets.Plus Intel doesn’t even come close to the 100 billion theyre investing the next three years.Its over for Intel once TSMC starts producing their 3nm chips
@SIW808
@SIW808 2 роки тому
@@brianvalencia9001 yes, they'll be fine but won't be able to compete with TSMC any time soon and that is what will give AMD the edge. Just have a look at Alder Lake's (10nm) power budget required to compete AMD's Zen 3 (7nm) which has been out for a year.
@LureThosePixels
@LureThosePixels 2 роки тому
Yep, makes sense why China wants to own Taiwan so badly now
@psycronizer
@psycronizer 2 роки тому
@@chrismayher617 dear oh dear oh dear...do you really think that a few nm is going to be the difference at this level ? REALLY ? I guarantee you it wont be, chip logic will be, and Intel has always been the best at it
@adammontoya8329
@adammontoya8329 Рік тому
Them saying "fab" over and over again was driving me insane.
@ear4funk814
@ear4funk814 Рік тому
Great move ... realizing the "global economy" model works up to a point ... the point where the participants start exploiting their exclusive contribution.
@kevmorris3000
@kevmorris3000 2 роки тому
Great to see Intel focused on being one of the world's leading the fab companies again.
@GJ983UGS86
@GJ983UGS86 2 роки тому
Talking is cheap
@_sparrowhawk
@_sparrowhawk 2 роки тому
One of... :| I mean, good for them... they didn't go out of business.
@jamescarter8311
@jamescarter8311 Рік тому
@@_sparrowhawk They are the leader.
@Nick_Morningstar
@Nick_Morningstar 2 роки тому
running a AMD ryzen 5800x, but i am glad to see intel is getting back into the game lets go!
@Redmanticore
@Redmanticore 2 роки тому
@@ramenlover1727 it is actually more logical if the CIA uses explosives to destroy tsmc when china gets too close. the united states will _not_ leave strategically important manufacturing like that at the hands of the Chinese. China wants to _capture_ it, so they can use it. the tsmc production capability is why they both, China and USA, want to go to Taiwan in the first place. china has already very likely planted special forces all over near strategic targets in taiwan. frankly, i am not sure if the taiwanese even want to resist the chinese occupation that much, they've shown quite lackluster will in polls against defending possible invasion from china. most of them just don't care that much. they just see it as a bit different management, but nothing changing fundamentally. taiwanese already speak mandarin chinese as their main language. mandarin chinese has been the official language of taiwan since 1945, and is the most spoken language in the country. it's remarkably unchanged from the mainland variant of mandarin. they see the chinese people more closer to them ethnically and culturally than the white westerners, fundamentally. i think it might be those "russia annexing places that are already full of russians" type of fight, where even the military just gives up instantly their military bases, basically. its the other countries, Australia, India, Japan, USA, Germany, Britain, etc. that are seemingly _far_ more willing to put up a fight against china.
@matrix01234567899
@matrix01234567899 Рік тому
Altair 8008 wasn't a personal computer. It was a microcomputer, but the term personal computer was IBM's brand name (IBM PC), and it's also used as describing all devices that was based on IBM's design
@ph11p3540
@ph11p3540 2 роки тому
It's not good enough that Intel be the best chip maker. They need a substantial US fab production. Thank goodness they are doing that. They are more than a company, they are a national security asset.
@Huron_Ra
@Huron_Ra 2 роки тому
I've been a champion of AMD since it was $2, and despised Intel for its anti-competitive practices, and stagnation of innovation. I've recently become a shareholder of Intel at $48.15 though. Because the tides are changing yet again. Something overlooked in this video are the Intel Dedicated GPU's being released Q1 2022. Whether they are competitive 1 to 1 with AMD or Nvidia GPUs will not even matter, because the supply and demand of GPUs is so screwed up. They will all sell out 100%.
@aliasrehbar9693
@aliasrehbar9693 2 роки тому
I agree for the long haul intel could make a comeback but question remains, whether its just going to be a "second best tsmc".
@JeighNeither
@JeighNeither 2 роки тому
Well, there is a big difference in the fact that Intel designs & constructs it's own chips too, but yeah, any investment any of these companies makes is going to pay tenfold in only a few years. They're basically printing money.
@khazaharto515
@khazaharto515 2 роки тому
Bruh you got AMD for $2? Damn that some serious diamond hands you have there
@noobwow2009
@noobwow2009 2 роки тому
Me too;) Just simple. No way intel will go out of business just like AMD. Someday some point it will come back. Both AMD and intel are too important to fall. USA government won’t let them die.
@markusberg2770
@markusberg2770 2 роки тому
Too bad the U.S.A. has learned to place profit over people. Where’s the patriotism and loyalty? Let’s Go Intel!
@msthing
@msthing 2 роки тому
Intel, I was learning about computer architecture with textbooks about your processors! Just out of nostalgia, I hope you succeed and get more chapters in textbooks ;)
@stevengraham3138
@stevengraham3138 Рік тому
How we lost this space is beyond me even back then we all knew it was the future
@ShastaLevi
@ShastaLevi Рік тому
Not American but was wondering how does this even happen or allowed to happen looking at the kind of money splashed in meaningless wars and readily available for the military complex. Infact with tech even manufacturing of basic stuff like clothing can be brought back to USA and mass produced at affordable rates to create an export market that can compete with cheap Chinese stuff, in the world where l come from anything from US is usually considered superior l don't know why they just dont see this enourmous market that will readily buy their stuff when priced fairly. With automation that is pretty doable, Europe has been doin it that's why family owned micro factories are the back bone of Germany legendary high tech manufacturing industry.
@Elldubbieyou
@Elldubbieyou Рік тому
Because they were too selfish and thought they would stay at the top. Intel crushed every company in the beginning and had no competition until AMD and TSMC started scaling up
@innosanto
@innosanto Рік тому
Short term and slight midterm Profit. But it was bad strategically. And bad for pure midterm profit in multiple times.
@jamescarter8311
@jamescarter8311 Рік тому
@@Elldubbieyou That's complete nonsense. Intel has simply been a consistent leader. They can price higher because they're a more trusted brand. AMD would certainly charge more if they could. AMD has had some wins over the decades, but have also made some very poor decisions that resulted in them no longer making their own chips. AMD and NVidia will also be screwed if China decides to invade Taiwan.
@davefroman4700
@davefroman4700 Рік тому
TSMC's monopoly of the equipment to make chips is a perfect example of how the ideas of copyright stifle innovation and competition.
@moviesjean23
@moviesjean23 Рік тому
Come up with your own ideas 💡
@TheSAMathematician
@TheSAMathematician 2 роки тому
This completely leaves out that the nomenclature for processes differs drastically between companies. Intel 7 and TSMC 5 are the same transistor size. Given the big deal you made about the process differences between the companies and Intel's rebranding of process nodes, this is a pretty important detail...
@ziaulislam87
@ziaulislam87 2 роки тому
Intel new nomanclature is more reflective of industry standards ..this was the right move so amateurs like in this video and hedge fund managers know where to put the money
@ikjadoon
@ikjadoon 2 роки тому
You have a massive typo. Intel 7 is significantly behind TSMC N5. By transistor density alone, TSMC N5 is 170 MTr/mm2 and Intel 7 is 101 MTr/mm2. Over 50% more dense using the tightest libraries…. You meant a Intel 7 and TSMC N7….
@ziaulislam87
@ziaulislam87 2 роки тому
@@ikjadoon intel 7(previously 10nm) is tsmc7. Tsmc 5 will be outpaced by intel4. So tsmc is basically a year ahead as of now(if intel keeps to scehdule) IMO if intel4 is sucessful then intel is back otherwise it will be bad news Intel 4 was suppose to come q12022 but is now delayed If they can lauch it 2022 then game on otherwise AMD/tsmc will take more share
@ikjadoon
@ikjadoon 2 роки тому
@@ziaulislam87 Just what I wrote. The parent comment is wildly wrong. Nobody is anywhere near shipping TSMC N5 densities, which has been on the market for 12+ months!
@dragon.fromindia3235
@dragon.fromindia3235 2 роки тому
SILICON CHIPS SHORTAGE ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THIS 21 CENTURY.
@foxhound042000
@foxhound042000 2 роки тому
They got complacent while they sat atop their throne in the CPU world. AMD finally coming back swinging with the Ryzen CPU line forced them to finally start innovating again because they were no longer alone at the top.
@satyampatel491
@satyampatel491 2 роки тому
It's not that they got complacent, it's more that they expended billions on crazy technologies that never panned out and they thought they could take big risks on cutting edge technology due to their superiority. This didn't last long
@emotionallyinvested1396
@emotionallyinvested1396 2 роки тому
@@satyampatel491 No they got complacent. Stock buybacks and dividend increases were beginning to become a focus as R and D actually decreased not just as a percentage basis but on a dollar basis during the previous CEO's tenure
@ExtroLurkerhaz
@ExtroLurkerhaz 2 роки тому
They were milking the market, and it was so obvious. It's why i didn't bother upgrading my CPU for more then 5 years at a time. Intel is a epitome of shitbaggery greedy capitalists. Capitalise no matter what. Glad AMD overtook them
@biohead66
@biohead66 2 роки тому
Take it from me, one of the biggest fanboys of Intel. Been building computers since 1995 and Intel was my King. Athlon XP was the first real big threat to Intel imo but Ryzen is where AMD won.
@thuydoan7496
@thuydoan7496 Рік тому
AMD was smart for handing over chip manufacturing to TSMC and instead focused on chip design. Intel should copy AMD in-order to compete.
@alwaysemployed656
@alwaysemployed656 2 роки тому
I have an affectionate loyalty for Intel. My very first PC build was an AMD and it caught on fire after using the PC to play a complex video codec DVD, the DVD's that later came out with a newer codec just a few years before Blu-Ray was introduced. The next day I visited the local CompUSA ( remember that store? ) and walked out with all Intel parts. Got home, built the PC and everything ran so smooth and handled every stress test without a problem. Ever since, I'm all pro Intel.
@drygordspellweaver8761
@drygordspellweaver8761 9 місяців тому
If your machine caught on fire it was likely due to some power supply issue or faulty wiring. A cpu running hot will degrade the materials and get misreads but it won’t light on fire.
@alwaysemployed656
@alwaysemployed656 9 місяців тому
@@drygordspellweaver8761 No, dummy. It did not catch on fire. The graphics card smoked and sparked and blew. I was watching Leon The Professional on advanced DVD codec, it happened during the climax scene with all the fast moving scenes and bright colors. I know there's like some weird cult-ish loyalty following for AMD products. I say Intel is way much better.
@Fred_the_Head
@Fred_the_Head 8 місяців тому
That’s the spirit, Intel. You’re only 5 years behind the curve.
@trendsweater2273
@trendsweater2273 2 роки тому
Apple definitely called it’s announcement event “Unleashed” this year because they had to one up Intel’s “Accelerated” event.
@_sparrowhawk
@_sparrowhawk 2 роки тому
...Never heard Intel had an event ...ever?
@zhinan888
@zhinan888 2 роки тому
I worked for Intel from 2006-2009 in a managerial position as an outsider. The place was way too political and some/many people are rather nasty to one another. There was just the wrong vibe. I was hoping BK can turn this ship around but Intel fired BK. I sincerely hope things work out for Intel.
@solosailorsv8065
@solosailorsv8065 2 роки тому
I know that 'vibe'. As a robotics consultant (ret) I had to advise a CEO to open a new building with new people if they wanted to get the vibe and energy going with automation(in contrast to employees sabotaging robots that were "going to take our jobs". That productivity increase was needed revenue, to keep their payroll going, LoL...sardonically As an investor, I think INTC, F, and GM stocks are all showing signs that having old factories and staff are a liability, compared to a fresh start with the latest and most enthusiastic people and equipment per square foot. (while capital is cheap)
@Dizkover
@Dizkover 2 роки тому
That's true to all corporate jobs.
@i486DX66
@i486DX66 2 роки тому
BK OK'ed $500 million for the last olympics which had under half the viewership of the previous Olympics. He also wasted money on drones and and that Fossil watch that eventually had to be bought back after it caught on fire. That money could have gone to purchase the tooling needed to maintain tech leadership. At least now, I think Intel has the best CEO they have had since Grove.
@middleagedwomanwithahandba2795
@middleagedwomanwithahandba2795 2 роки тому
ah yep.. this was what I was looking for. People problem. Always is. Endless meetings about nothing. Endless leaders tripping over each other to shout loudest. Little regard for the people that deliver or for the customer.
@kippie80
@kippie80 2 роки тому
Their Risc-V project may give a hail marry pass but otherwise, they are a level B company.
@KameraShy
@KameraShy 2 роки тому
Very interesting, informative and timely. The CEO seems like a nice guy. I hope he is not, that he is a mean SOB who is not afraid to fire people who can't do the job.
@raatroc
@raatroc Рік тому
And from which country come the machines that are able to make these microchips... The Netherlands...
@MVEProducties
@MVEProducties Рік тому
Yes, thank you mentioning The Netherlands 🇳🇱 I think ASML has to fight off a lot of Chinese/Russian spying/attacks because of their lead in chipmaking machines.
@Buster475
@Buster475 2 роки тому
I love how Intel seems to assume that while they try to move past TSMC and Samsung, their 2 competitors with node processes that are currently ahead will play nice and stand still for Intel to catch up...
@Buster475
@Buster475 2 роки тому
@@Karoleishh Yes, ASML is the only company making EUV lithography machines and Intel's not ASML's only customer. In the last quarter Q3'21, 46% of ASML total system sales are to Taiwan and 33% to South Korea, with USA only making up 10%. The sales for the quarter before that was similar. That easily tells where are the bulk of the machines are going to, and it's not Intel.
@teddysmith8725
@teddysmith8725 2 роки тому
​@@Buster475 Everyone is using the same machines now. Word on the street is that Intel will quickly move past 7nm and I imagine everyone will hit similar process issues at a similar time on similarly sized nodes (From what I've read, TSMC and Samsung are already running into a lot of yield issues with 3/2nm and lower). But Intel has been using more complex materials (e.g. Cobalt) in their 10nm and 7nm nodes to try and deal with some of the issues of the older DUV tech. So I personally think, with proper leadership, they can put the experience to use in further nodes with EUV to surpass TSMC and Samsung. But we'll see.
@Buster475
@Buster475 2 роки тому
@@teddysmith8725 We just have to see. In recent years, Intel is the one who had continuously encountered show stopping yield issues with their most advanced processes that had led to multiple delays with their own 10nm or Intel 7 processes. This is not something that Pat Gelsinger can fix alone. And so far this year, he is looking more like a marketing person making all sort of promises, but had failed to deliver the results he said he would. While TSMC had ran into issues, at least they are already sampling, while Intel just goes on roadshows about it's technology roadmaps. But I definitely like to see competition since that is good for us as consumers.
@teddysmith8725
@teddysmith8725 2 роки тому
@@Buster475 Yes, Intel has been running into process issues, but this was largely due to their slowness to adopt EUV and their desire to get ahead of quantum mechanical issues by adopting new materials. They've invested more in EUV for their 5nm node (Intel 3), and I imagine that should ease a lot of the process issues they were running into. I wouldn't be surprised to see only one or two 7nm processor generations before leapfrogging to 5nm, because their 5nm is rumoured to not be that far behind 7nm in development. Like you said, we shall see.
@kcfish4862
@kcfish4862 2 роки тому
Not to mention TSMC is already on 5nm manufacturing now
@teukels
@teukels 2 роки тому
In Intels defense, the nanometer has become meaningless. No single structure in these chips is 7, 5 or 10 nanometers. As of late it supposedly means 'if transistors had been laid out next to each other, as opposed to layered, the density needed would be N nanometers. It is more useful to talk about other, more useful metrics when comparing the density of the manufacturing processes, such as number of transistors per square mm..
@AnimMouse
@AnimMouse 2 роки тому
True, those nm are just a marketing team at this point.
@teukels
@teukels 2 роки тому
Yes, unfortunately that marketing caught on. While the nuanced reality of things is even more interesting than the simplified version, It is taken verbatim as yardstick by #CNBC and the loud analyst.
@pieluver1234
@pieluver1234 2 роки тому
It very much affects power consumption, which is an important metric when evaluating performance.
@teukels
@teukels 2 роки тому
While lithography is a very important factor for power consumption, it kind of works both ways. As I understand it, when you shrink sizes, you can operate the transistor at lower power, however leakage increases, therefore the transistor type in use matters a great deal. Power consumption is important and is in the specs. We should recognize that Intel have also improved upon this per the current generation now they mention Base clock power and Max turbo power usage.
@pieluver1234
@pieluver1234 2 роки тому
@@teukels Voltage remains relatively the same, as that is determined by the semiconductor material itself. The base power consumption per transistor decreases significantly moving to a smaller lithography because each transistor is much smaller. It is a fundamental limit that larger transistors cannot overcome. Yes, leakage current significantly increases with smaller lithography, and this can lead to increase in power consumption as seen in Intel 12th gen CPUs compared to 11th gen. However, leakage current can be mitigated and drop the power per transistor closer to the theoretical base power with more sophisticated design.
@ryanreedgibson
@ryanreedgibson Рік тому
I am glad Intel has so much competition. Although I have been a fanboy since I was a kid, and still am today, it's good to see them get off their ass. They were never good at Nand memory storage,
@juantelle1
@juantelle1 2 роки тому
14:41 if i remember correctly the latest mars rover used a 2005-era processor.
@x8jason8x
@x8jason8x 2 роки тому
Hopefully they learn to accurately measure nanometers before they open these plants. That said, this would be awesome.
@x8jason8x
@x8jason8x 2 роки тому
@anonymous one Well, the measurement itself isn't outdated, but yeah, I know what you mean. lol
@Allpurple_reign
@Allpurple_reign 2 роки тому
@@x8jason8x doesn’t it represent the preference you would of had if it was actually 3nm, also Intel 10 nm will just be called 7 and after intel 4 they going angstrom
@dandiaz19934
@dandiaz19934 2 роки тому
I want to see Intel succeed not just for nostalgia but bc its v scary that 95% of the worlds CPUs are made in one tiny, unrecognized country and disputed land. Absolutely terrifying what could happen if the global supply chain were massively affected by natural disasters and political turmoil
@alfredcam5213
@alfredcam5213 Рік тому
Chinese government tech investment budget was 1.5 TRILLION in 2020. For those keeping track, that's three years ago. America needs a course change, and FAST.
@danielash1704
@danielash1704 2 роки тому
I see my old electronic motor controllers in cnc looking huge compared toe to the newer scooters that my nephew has in his transportation
@harperwelch5147
@harperwelch5147 2 роки тому
Why do big corporations choose to build in states with limited water supplies? All it does is cause more people to move there and increase demand for water that isn't there to deliver. Texas, Arizona, New Mexico are states that cant promise to absorb endless growth and water demands.
@airhab
@airhab 2 роки тому
Tax breaks
@Adierit
@Adierit 2 роки тому
Because land there is cheap, due to no one being able to sustain life from the water requirements.
@Fanta....
@Fanta.... 2 роки тому
part of it might be geological stability... not sure how prone these spots are to earthquakes..
@kelrune
@kelrune 2 роки тому
AMD didnt reverse engineer the CPU. they were contracted to MAKE the CPU for IBM. they were GIVEN the blueprints. they were PAID to make it for intel. to fill an order
@green_block
@green_block 2 роки тому
That’s much later. Before they became a viable 2nd source for IBM, they reverse engineered intel chips and tried to sell the knock offs. When IBM needed a 2nd supplier, AMD was the only viable alternative due to being gaining experience by reverse engineering Intel chips.
@kelrune
@kelrune 2 роки тому
@Jee Vang untill this week
@tedmoss
@tedmoss 2 роки тому
@@green_block The US government required dual source, how quickly we forget.
@Eleven5Five
@Eleven5Five 2 роки тому
The first AMD cpus where made from looking at images of an intel CPU and reversed engineered. "It was originally produced without license as a clone of the Intel 8080, reverse-engineered by photographing an early Intel chip and developing a schematic and logic diagrams from the images." The wikipedia page for the Am9080, a [reversed engineered] clone of the intel 8080.
@kozmizm
@kozmizm 2 роки тому
This reporter got many things wrong. she obviously is out of her league
@lorenzoboyd6889
@lorenzoboyd6889 Рік тому
Conspicuously absent from this video - • Wafer size (200mm vice 300mm) • Usable quality yield
@oldestgamer
@oldestgamer Рік тому
Wasn't the 68000 out before the 80286, thus the first 16/32 bit microprocessor?
@Ratimir101
@Ratimir101 2 роки тому
Hope it works for them, a lot of people naturally supported underdogs when Intel was king, so they stayed with hostility toward it even now, But overall the best outcome for consumers is that all companies do great and have to work very hard for to have their products bought by consumers, if it would happen that Intel fails as some predicted that would be terrible for consumers
@VantaCanadaBlack
@VantaCanadaBlack 2 роки тому
Intel engaged in a lot of illegal and anti-competitive business practices aimed at killing of AMD so its not just the underdog thing.
@Ratimir101
@Ratimir101 2 роки тому
@@VantaCanadaBlack yea but that is not the point, point is that AMD was successful in overcoming that from Intel, Apple was successful in abandoning Intel and going forward with their own chips, so if Intel doesn’t have any success soon, they might be pushed out of market, then AMD would be monopoly in PC segment, which would not be good, what made AMD good was their desire to outcompete Intel, but without Intel they would inevitably become new Intel of pre Ryzen era
@Atixtasy
@Atixtasy 2 роки тому
@@Ratimir101 I'd be ok with that xD
@Ratimir101
@Ratimir101 2 роки тому
@@Atixtasy Why?
@emmanueloluga9770
@emmanueloluga9770 2 роки тому
@@Atixtasy No you wouldn’t. No one would, which is why Intel failed at that attempt
@MXALOVE
@MXALOVE 2 роки тому
Apple: *removes Intel chips* Intel: LOL who even buys macs Apple: *Makes M1 Pro/Max* Intel: Apple pls
@_sparrowhawk
@_sparrowhawk 2 роки тому
Funny story but at no point in the last 10 years did Intel laugh at anything.
@MXALOVE
@MXALOVE 2 роки тому
@@_sparrowhawk I guess under that rock you didn't see all the comments Intel made about Apple
@fzz6716
@fzz6716 2 роки тому
Intel is true though. Majority of the people outside US don't use macs
@bryanpascual3543
@bryanpascual3543 2 роки тому
Just give it a few more years for x86 programs to be fully compatible with Apple silicon
@kanbala4473
@kanbala4473 2 роки тому
Comment on foundry: Intel has trouble manufacturing its own non-cpu chips, which is not as highly regulated design So it’s process for CPU and chipset are 18 months apart. Foundry is a SERVICE business more than technology. How do you use one process to enable different design styles from Qualcomm, apple, nVidia, AMD is very complicated and that’s why tsmc is so good in foundry business As an IDM, Samsung and Intel can use its own design to quickly tune the process but when goes to others design, you will spend 2x (at this stage, might not even be RD resource) to tune the process This is also why IBM failed in its foundry business ended up sold fabs to Global foundry
@williammanning9323
@williammanning9323 Рік тому
Watching these videos of extremely complex manufacturing plants makes me want to play Satisfactory again
@user-vf2jh7gz7b
@user-vf2jh7gz7b 2 роки тому
Funny how INTC makes big plans for capex and their stock tanks, but Ford does a similar thing in a less likely to succeed and more competitive EV market and their stock goes parabolic.
@mullerstephan
@mullerstephan 2 роки тому
the modern day investor is all about hype
@Nekrumorfiini1
@Nekrumorfiini1 2 роки тому
Buy the rumor, sell the news.
@GT-tj1qg
@GT-tj1qg 2 роки тому
@@Nekrumorfiini1 most of the rumours are worthless. Most of them never become news
@Nekrumorfiini1
@Nekrumorfiini1 2 роки тому
@@GT-tj1qg Not your rumors, you don't matter. It's the insiders who get the real """rumors""", okay?
@GT-tj1qg
@GT-tj1qg 2 роки тому
@@Nekrumorfiini1 Well you're right that some rumours are better than others. Rumours that start from subject matter experts are the valuable ones
@glennmorris25
@glennmorris25 2 роки тому
If this was 2009, we would believe you
@BattousaiHBr
@BattousaiHBr 2 роки тому
credit where credit is due, at least they delivered performance with alder lake. sure it still runs pretty hot but cant win them all.
@darshan5726
@darshan5726 2 роки тому
@@BattousaiHBr amd zen4 is around the corner!
@BattousaiHBr
@BattousaiHBr 2 роки тому
@@darshan5726 zen4 isn't anywhere close to shipping, and i didn't hear many great things about it... seems like amd's efforts have been placed in zen5.
@shivsankermondal
@shivsankermondal 2 роки тому
@@BattousaiHBr yeah but they consume more power and requires better cooling. but i agree its better this year i am hoping for good alder lake cpu for laptop amd not available because no stock, intel is available .
@BattousaiHBr
@BattousaiHBr 2 роки тому
@@shivsankermondal yep. zen5 seems like it'll use the same efficiency cores architecture as alder lake, and it doesn't seem like windows' scheduler knows how to handle these well yet.
@918Boyz
@918Boyz Рік тому
Its good to see, but lets not forget that the pish is much greater now that they can get huge, airline/ oil company level government subsidies.
@tichaclin
@tichaclin Рік тому
Great documentary on the current state of the chip market.
@hariranormal5584
@hariranormal5584 2 роки тому
14:31 what you didn't explain is that NM is more of a generational number than the actual size of whatever, intel's 10nm is "as good as" TSMC's 7nm..
@izzideadyet4265
@izzideadyet4265 2 роки тому
Its not about the transistors entirely, its about the architecture. Apple proved this in the 90's with the PowerPC. x86 is dead.
@kozmizm
@kozmizm 2 роки тому
There's a lot of things she got wrong. she obviously shouldn't have been put in charge of this report
@downrightmike
@downrightmike 2 роки тому
Slips happen when you still continue to load leadership with MBA consultants.
@johnames6430
@johnames6430 Рік тому
1:59 these 20 yr old "senior" producers is all you need to know about CNBC
@jamram9924
@jamram9924 Рік тому
Intel had a factory in Tempe, AZ back in the late 1990s. They're returning to AZ and opening 2 production sites.
@golfhax
@golfhax 2 роки тому
thank you CNBC for really breaking down the chip shortage and the huge responsibility intel has to try and stabilize the chip industry w/ new production here in the US. I'll definitely be supporting intel instead of other companies regardless of who is on top in the short term. even though throughout my entire life or most of it 25 years i've supported other companies this has opened my eyes to the bigger picture. i'm rooting for these guys they are true pioneers of technology.
@Skyhanger
@Skyhanger 2 роки тому
Chip companies are all international these days. TSMC is currently opening a new fab in Arizona, and the Biden Administration recently blocked Intel from opening a fab in China.
@Ketoswammy
@Ketoswammy 2 роки тому
LOL, check your history.
@georgeclinton2340
@georgeclinton2340 2 роки тому
Thank you, have been watching your channels for couple of weeks now and it's really good and really helping me through
@michaelscoffed1524
@michaelscoffed1524 2 роки тому
I'm 50% ADA 50% BTC 5 year hold
@willsonjames6124
@willsonjames6124 2 роки тому
@@michaelscoffed1524 ADA and DOGE, a winning combination Like you said, those are the only two i see holding at this time
@richardsusan6666
@richardsusan6666 2 роки тому
@@willsonjames6124 When did ETH go from 6% to 5% when staking to ETH2? Thanks you for your update am long term holding. I love dogecoin
@stevenmark4492
@stevenmark4492 2 роки тому
Thought you'd mentioned Brazil and the UAE started a Bitcoin ETF today.
@robertjohn2258
@robertjohn2258 2 роки тому
If bitcoin miners are going to relocate from China to Texas, what happens when a mining farm suffer a power failure, how do the machines react, do they just restart or a loss.
@victorkibaga5542
@victorkibaga5542 Рік тому
Nice seeing factories opening up in the US. From Kenya i wish the US success
@thuydoan7496
@thuydoan7496 Рік тому
Thank you. Once we become successful, we want you to work with us.
@badpharma461
@badpharma461 Рік тому
I watched a lecture given by Sophie Wilson. It was a few years ago but she noted that 28nm was the CHEAPEST size of feature to use. There are many influences on the cost of a particular process BUT I notice 2022 papers that say 28nm is still the cheapest. I wonder if feature size is the key metric. Maybe Clive Sinclair's (at the time ludicrous) 'Spira' concept. Basically, Spira was based on using an entire wafer (or at least chunks of a wafer) of processors. They were designed to self-test and exclude those that failed BUT meant that all of the usable chips on a wafer could work in parallel. Before someone points out that such a system would be inefficient, I should add that it did presume large L1 caches and other tricks ot minimise the problem but the basic idea was that such features could be added since the production cost would be lower. After all, the PS3 works on the basis that they actually produce silicon with 9 cores and the design allows a faulty one to be excluded, so the idea has been used and used what is more in a situation where cost was important. I don't keep up with hardware much, but it could be even more common if people like Intlel and AMD have adopted it. If so - it explains how Sinclair managed to stay in a healthy state of liquidity for 30 years.
@Dogpool
@Dogpool 2 роки тому
Humans are pretty cool. The amount of cooperation and planning in order to pull something like this off is immense. Imagine the great things that could be accomplished if such a large amount of energy wasn’t used on ridiculous politics and wars.
@crazyjimheath
@crazyjimheath 2 роки тому
True that ..
@justinianthegreat4696
@justinianthegreat4696 2 роки тому
However some of the greatest innovations we have today were made or improved upon during times of great conflicts. Wi-Fi during the Cold War, nuclear technology during WW2, the rapid growth of the airplanes and cars during WW1, and even the rise of the telegraph during the Crimean War.
@tonyc7352
@tonyc7352 Рік тому
@@justinianthegreat4696 Yes of course, but that conflict motivated people... to "cooperate and plan" - work together.
@justinianthegreat4696
@justinianthegreat4696 Рік тому
@@tonyc7352 what I'm saying is people are more likely to work during a calamity or chaos but are less likely to come together to prevent said chaos or calamity from happening or causing a lot of damage
@tonyc7352
@tonyc7352 Рік тому
@@justinianthegreat4696 Right, got you now. I know what you mean.
@majesticface3631
@majesticface3631 2 роки тому
I think you guys didn’t do enough research on Intel 7, formerly Intel 10nm super finfet. Even though it was “10 nm”, the “nm” notation to semiconductors aren’t true and are primarily just marketing gimmicks. Intel 7 is comparable to TSMC 7’nm’, however TSMC has designed smaller chips than Intel and Samsung, and they produce smaller chips with higher density than Samsung.
@JigilJigil
@JigilJigil 2 роки тому
That's true.
@heyaisdabomb
@heyaisdabomb 2 роки тому
@@ageminiani This is what this story misses. Intel runs CISC, while ARM uses RISC. And RISC is better for these 10 core 15 core 20 core processors, because the instruction set is smaller. How will intel compete when they still use RISC. It's too power heavy, and they may compete on speed, but not power consumption.
@dertythegrower
@dertythegrower 2 роки тому
@@ageminiani 3DMark Time Spy Extreme World RECORD with 2x RTX 3090 KINGPIN Cards on LN2 at Aalto University Apple is slower than intel, you need to run your machine for longer time than intel for a fact, so any less power is still doubled when you do a task that takes 200 percent the time as intel does.. get a clue. 3dmark proves intel and nvidia crushes m1 apple in real performance in shorter amount of time. We dont need less wattage, we need more power
@KTK-o
@KTK-o 2 роки тому
@@heyaisdabomb ISA is only part of the equation of why Apples chips do better, its more than just" ARM = better therfore faster" argument. having access to the latest nodes, vertical integration with software 100% in your control will obviously give you special advantages over your competitors. You don't see any other ARM desighners do better except for APPLE.
@dragon.fromindia3235
@dragon.fromindia3235 2 роки тому
SILICON CHIPS SHORTAGE ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THIS 21 CENTURY.
@BurntTransistor
@BurntTransistor 2 роки тому
Bob Swan was the worst thing that happened to Intel. Gelsinger will bring Intel back to the front.
@umagi3d808
@umagi3d808 2 роки тому
The real company to look at is Netherland's ASML. They are the ones that build and sell those cutting edge lithographic wafer systems that make those 3 nm chips possible. The technology in those machines is just insane!
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