Douglas Murray | 'The Incoherence of LGBTQI+'
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2 роки томуRenowned author and social critic Douglas Murray argues that our modern fixation on group-identity politics 'strips the individualism out of individuals'. Murray ridicules the common interpretation of society as based upon interest groups divided by gender, sex, sexual orientation and race.
Douglas Murray is a prolific British author
and journalist. He has been contributor to The Spectator since 2000 and has been associate editor of the magazine since 2012. He has also written regularly for numerous other outlets, including: the Wall Street Journal, The Times, The Sunday Times, The Sun, The Evening Standard, and the New Criterion. He is a regular contributor to National Review and has been a columnist for Standpoint Magazine since its founding. His latest book, 'The War on the West', was published in May 2022.
See their full interview, filmed just before the Covid-19 pandemic, here: • The Madness of Crowds ...
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@rerite2 Рік тому
My 12-year-old nephew said to me: "What if this whole LGBTQ thing is just a way for hair dye companies to sell more products?"
@Stuart267 Рік тому
He may be on to something lol
@Yeeted_Utensil Рік тому
Smart kid
@stephenpmurphy591 Рік тому
It's a marketing tactic & dividing..... Marxists. Which is more destructive than capitalism.
@stuartmc18 Рік тому
Just brilliant! It gives me hope for the future!
@bethheinecamp1061 Рік тому
He's on to something .... :)
@DuffyLew91 Рік тому
Groups don't have rights. Individuals have rights. Thank you Douglas Murray and John Anderson.
@atendriyadasa6746 Рік тому
If its true that groups don't have rights, what about corporations that are legally considered 'persons' and as such have LOTS of rights.
@leonharrison800 Рік тому
When groups are denied rights, they fight and win rights! Easier to fight as a group whether based on race, gender or sexuality. Wake up. "United we stand, divided we fall."!
@werollins Рік тому
`Sadly Groups such as unions dominate the power structures i.e.. NYS is run by powerful unions
@leonharrison800 Рік тому
@@werollins You are clueless. Unions fight race hate, sexism and LGBT hate. Stop bring an ungrateful SOD!
@-jfo- Рік тому
That's the biggest load of codswallop. This is the problem with people who keep screaming about individual rights. As the gentlemen say in this video, it about what is best for the collective, society as a whole. The focus on individual rights alone without regard for societal rights is the reason why the US and Europe is the current state it is in. Balancing the rights of both is important to ensure a harmanious society.
@ablox1166 Рік тому
I've been saying this for years, as a gay male I do not 'identify' myself LGBTQ. I am simply gay, have a long-term male partner and live a 'normal/everyday' life. If my sexuality is private and a small part of who I am, why does it have to be at the forefront of my identity? My identity is based off who I am as a person not who I decide to sleep with behind close doors. People homogenize everyone under one banner of "Gay people" or "women", "blacks" etc. as if every single person within that 'category' will share the same views, opinions, and lifestyles. It's beyond myopic and ignorant to think that way. Love everything that was said in this video. Trust me, put multiple gay or bi men in one room and you will see none of them are alike. Women from culture to culture have very different opinions on different subjects also, as goes for every other group in this world include white men. Not all white men are powerful CEO's/rich/power hungry POS as the woke left tries to portray them.
@hugehappygrin Рік тому
and yet, when talking about, "CIS HET white males", it OK to lump us into a group? the feminist claim of "old white men" are inherently evil and must die. It's odd because the board of directors for NOW is/was made up of old white men. hm.
@joehenry9546 Рік тому
As soon as people realize that this movement isn’t about equality, it’s about tearing us apart. The better off we will be. Divide and conquer. I’m all for equality. But, the way this current movement operates is based off of intolerance. That is a very dangerous thing for a society. It should be about acceptance and love.
@mistag3860 Рік тому
A voice of reason amongst the madness of crowds. How to propogate that attitude...its nice.
@fionaforward3358 Рік тому
How I wish all homosexuals were like you ,rather than force their sexuality in our faces.
@vd1721 Рік тому
Because in the pick me generation of TicTok and Content Creators, they don't want anything private.
@pandorasbox1658 Рік тому
I never get tired of listening to Douglas Murray.
@finecon8391 Рік тому
💩💩💩
@jasonantigua6825 Рік тому
Probably because you have more in common with him than you thought! He’s an interesting person
@tabutog Рік тому
Well I'm also getting tired of this LGBTQIA+ stuff add to that the people who identifies as battle ships, cat, planet uranus its getting weirder and weirder.
@ghenulo 10 місяців тому
Though, I find myself disagreeing with him on everything other than the LGBTXYZ/non-binary issue, perhaps because I'm not a conservative (I'd describe myself as a socialist civil libertarian; i.e. you do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else and the government has a role to ensure the social well-being of everyone).
@ghenulo 10 місяців тому
@@tabutog I'm an asexual and hate the thought of being part of the LGBT+ clown show. I'd guess some Ls, Gs, Bs, Ts, Qs, and Is feel the same way.
@randabe765 Рік тому
Thank you for that. As a Mexican female my main identifier is: individual. Don't lump me into a collective with the assumption that we all think/are the same.
@AlexReynard Рік тому
As an Alex Reynard, I identify as an Alex Reynard. Just the one of me. Like Tigger.
@82fdny97 Рік тому
Sowell girl!!!
@DrCruel Рік тому
As an anti-fascist, I find pronoun fascism to be extremely offensive and triggering. So also I entirely reject the intrinsic ethnic bigotry and deliberate racist and sexist hate of socialism.
@queent3343 Рік тому
@@DrCruel Lots of big words. Just say you disagree. That should suffice.
@queent3343 Рік тому
Too much lumping these days.
@Ifailedeverything Рік тому
The word “community” has been so twisted. It used to mean a town or a neighborhood where all sorts of people live. Young and old, families, all types of jobs and backgrounds. Now it just means you share a singular trait or social interest as if that one thing is all that defines you. It’s so dumb.
@DeltaEchoGolf Рік тому
Akin to having a street gang representing the "neighborhood".
@rewdwarf123 Рік тому
When you have a place called a 'community centre' you assume it's for the people who live near it. So community is surely all about geography?
@finished6267 Рік тому
Nation has been twisted too. It used to pertain to nationality as per the bible, hence the creation of 'israel' by england.... Oh yes of course, the 'nation' of Israel.
@kennethconklin4140 Рік тому
It is also incredibly dangerous. People in groups form "hive-minds", where they don't have a single independent thought and instead go for one thought for all. People by themselves are great, it's when put together in groups they become almost blinded by their thoughts. Usually in a selfish, and toxic way.
@lynncarter4964 Рік тому
You make a very good point about the meaning of the word. That is one of the other tactics employed in this movement. Re-defining our words and terms and then getting us to use them as well. Therefore giving the ‘new’ definition merit. Don’t fall for using words on their terms.
@jrpeacock8695 Рік тому
Murray is a voice of reason and common sence in these troubled and messed up times.
@julienlapointe3053 Рік тому
“The LGBT community, take me to your leader!” 🤣 @2:07
@jennifergersch9126 7 місяців тому
"Join the Dark Side..."
@AntiStraightMaleSociety 7 місяців тому
The leader is a straight male. They all come from them
@amorepsyche808 5 місяців тому
Its Soros, he is behind everything
@MsAuthenticite 4 місяці тому
😂
@nev707 Рік тому
Douglas is so articulate in expressing what many of us think, and in a way that many of us can’t.
@leecouldsee207 Рік тому
Or how we dare not. But I am starting to. We should all start to. There are more of us for goodness' sake. At least that is what I think.
@glennhynes5263 Рік тому
@@leecouldsee207 yes there is far far more of us Lee. We just don t have the woke media on our side. Thats ok, we have truth and common decency. 👍
@santorini8423 Рік тому
@@glennhynes5263 we don’t have common sense on our side either. I 😞
@Sairfecht Рік тому
@@leecouldsee207 “many of us” - hmmm, sounds like that would be a community?
@Jon-yn4pq Рік тому
And with a cool British accent
@michelpapineau8868 Рік тому
Always a pleasure to listen to Douglas Murray. Identity politics is inherently intended to sow discord and to pull our society apart.
@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Рік тому
Much more than that... to utterly throw into confusion, delusion, illusion, and mal-conclusion the God-created order.
@cheshirekat3050 Рік тому
Likewise for abortion, and class-warfare.
@patienceobongo Рік тому
Frankfurt School.
@nelsonmcatee3721 Рік тому
The concept of divide and conquer.
@redstar7292 Рік тому
Actually Identity Politics, props up capitalism. And it's another way capitalism adapts to survive and thrive. And these people aren't Marxists, but hard line liberals. Identity politics isn't a Marxist thing, this word is used because it is linked with communist dictatorships. Marx talked about the people owning the means of production and distribution, and the public ownership of property these sorts of ideas not identity.
@TheRicsilver48 Рік тому
It always seems like this guy always has it figured out. No axe to grind, just logical rational thought.
@eyestothesky6331 Рік тому
Spot on and well said! Tired of my gender being appropriated for someone’s woke political endeavor. Douglas Murray is a steady, common sense mind in a chaotic unstable social environment.
@pastorofmuppets8834 Рік тому
How do you cope?
@NinjaFireMan Рік тому
I needed to hear something like this to put a voice to my concerns. I've lost friends around discussions about LGBT topics. I don't hate anyone, and yet I feel like if I don't say the 'right thing' then I'm in serious trouble.
@jonathanfarley2023 Рік тому
They're a cult. Secretly, they're probably all afraid of being "denounced." Either that, or they are revelling in their newfound power to "cancel" people.
@siempregamer4967 Рік тому
people from the LGBT community are one of the most closed mind people in this world.
@wickedoctober Рік тому
You’re saying the right things. You live in reality. The LBGTQ2s+ live in a complete fantasy worlds of anti-reality.
@denisbashaj3704 Рік тому
Why what did you say speak freely
@relaxingsounds1386 Рік тому
It's lgbtqxyz123, you bigot!! 😆 🤣 😂
@marvinhaines9297 8 місяців тому
I left the high school system about a year and a half ago, partly because I got tired of the unstoppable madness that was the school's culture. It seemed like every kid in my class went trans all at once. It was as if each person felt they weren't unique enough as an individual. I once saw a cartoon depicting a mass of people all shouting and protesting "I am an individual!" The image was created almost thirty years ago, and it has never been more relevant than now.
@SupHapCak 7 місяців тому
I mean They ARE all individuals. Unless the context of them being dressed alike was missing?
@4my4blessings 4 місяці тому
If (maybe) schools in the UK allowed young people to express their individuality with their clothes, hair style, colour, etc... instead of forcing them into polyester business suits and punishing them for untucking a shirt or having their skirt above their knees... restricting their human right to take off their jacket on a hot day, maybe they would use external things to demonstrate their independence and unique identity rather than having to delve into a destructive ideology to express themselves. It is a social epidemic in the schools and though I believe there may be A Student in a school class, it is not a wave or tsunami of genuine gender dysphoria... that is the social virus aspect. And if one speaks out against it, one is dismissed and cancelled as a bigot who doesn't deserve the right to have an opinion. 😢
@DarkAngel2512 24 дні тому
@@4my4blessingsI grew up in the 90s and we dis just fine with school uniform. My mum was broke and I could barely affrod uniform let alone nice clothes. So uniforms avoid bullying imo. If you domt have cool clothes and new ones kids will pick on you
@bexp436 7 місяців тому
Im so happy to listen to both Douglas and John and to read the comments, that all help to remind me im not on my own feeling like the world has gone mad and we are all being manipulated from dawn til dusk.
@ewencameron1548 4 місяці тому
Bexpu r spot on
@albertogutierrez8653 Рік тому
As an American of Latin American descent, I never felt connected to all Hispanic Americans. My relationships are based on common interests not on ethnicity. It always has been odd.
@rob5197 Рік тому
Ethnicity is observed in the animal world it is only natural selection - - that doesn't mean you love or get on with every member
@xaldynnemo47 Рік тому
If your country actively legislated against Latin Americans as a whole and denied them the same freedoms as other Americans, would you not consider Latin Americans as having a common interest?
@albertogutierrez8653 Рік тому
@@xaldynnemo47 What do you mean "common interests"? The U.S. has different policies that have been legislated for Mexican immigrants. I am from another country where the rules for us is more laxed. Do you think other Latin Americans are not concern with U.S. immigration policies towards Mexicans? Many of us don't care as much those policies just as much we don't about immigration policies for Austrians. You question reveal a certain ignorance about us. Except for language, history, culture and some tradition, Hispanics are not united from some grand scheme of a council of Latino elders. When American Hispanic leftist start talking about Hispanic unity, many of us don't know based on what?
@xaldynnemo47 Рік тому
@@albertogutierrez8653 I asked a hypothetical question. The comparison being made was to LGBT people, who have a common interest in equal rights.
@albertogutierrez8653 Рік тому
@@xaldynnemo47 Many in the LGBT community don't agree with the movment. They consider it destructive. What rights are you talking about! ?Affirmative rights or negative rights? By the way, groups and collectives are outside my outlook on life. I respond to individuals.
@paulineashcroft1485 Рік тому
Douglas Murray is always worth listening to.
@WillScarlet1991 Рік тому
He's a right-wing racist cnt.
@sabejreid2072 Рік тому
AGREE
@progressivedemagogue8480 Рік тому
If you’re thick
@Patriot11111 Рік тому
for a laugh
@progressivedemagogue8480 Рік тому
@@paulineashcroft1485 Douglas Murray is a right wing think tank funded agitator hired to distract the politically illiterate with cathartic culture war divisions. This keeps those engaged with his material distracted from prescient economic issues such as the greatest wealth transfer in history. It’s easier for elites if you’re busy thinking ‘woke’ or trans issues are a threat to your well being, and not a far right agenda actively restoring feudalism.
@Jane-dq7on Рік тому
Absolutely agree. Well said. They think we are clueless, but we see the method behind the madness.
@andrewbaker6256 Рік тому
I was speaking with a very wise old vicar who was well in his 80's and he not only had great moral standards as you would expect but had a great world experience. In a former career he had been an engineer and spent years in africa working on massive projects to help the people over there. Now being a vicar and being very open I asked him how he got on with various groups of people. His advice was simple and seemingly obvious and it was this.....Deal with people one at a time.
@jennifergersch9126 7 місяців тому
You get what you give. Give people dignity and respect, and you'll get it in turn.
@someguy9519 Місяць тому
@@jennifergersch9126That doesn't work for Israel.
@dorothyb. Рік тому
I've been making this argument for years. I am not the black community and I. Speak my own views and cannot speak for others. I am not proud to be black as that is simply a representation of my parents genes. I can only be proud for what I made happen by my passion and Labour consistency and contentiousness
@Friendofstfrank Рік тому
Excellent points.
@christianityoutloud Рік тому
Douglas Murray is an intelligent and articulate person. Any conversation with him tends to be worth listening to.
@gweilospur5877 Рік тому
Just another right wing bigot.
@wpollock1 Рік тому
Douglas Murray is one of the great thinkers of our time.
@TheBaumcm Рік тому
As a brown female, who has shaved her head in the past and dyed it many colors, including blue, who also happens to be fiscally conservative and believes in the federal government staying out of state affairs, I wholeheartedly agree. It’s not just limited to sexuality but everything is used to lump us together. Any time someone uses extremes or absolutes, like never, always or all, it tells me that they really aren’t a fan of critical thinking or personal experience. Like Murray said, that’s the point. They want to separate us because we’d be more powerful working together on a single topic than each going for special interests. It’s why the US is in such a tumult. People, highlighted by the Trump run, have taken identity politics and shaken them like a snow globe.
@rnw2739 Рік тому
A brown female? Have you been on holiday then?
@cheeseburgerinparadise7124 Рік тому
As a brown female 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Harlock2day Рік тому
@@rnw2739 brown is certainly more accurate than black. Black people and white people do not exist. Yes, we are all people, but if you really wanted to talk truth you would say brown and pink people. Not so fancy though ? 😂
@johnmcquade329 Рік тому
whys it always the usa people talk about, or the uk or israeli occupied palestine its never anywhere else
@bigdickblack1505 Рік тому
"federal government staying out of state affairs"? Do you mean like slavery, Jim Crow & lynching?
@terenceboris851 Рік тому
Douglas Murray is a hero of intelligence and logic.
@fabiesque Рік тому
Douglas is a true high-voltage mind. I can listen to him for hours.
@7788Sambaboy Рік тому
he's telling you what you want to hear...he makes no attempt to discuss both sides of an issue...he attacks something and says he is right because he said he is right
@xaldynnemo47 Рік тому
So much for the importance of "the individual", eh?
@niguel4438 2 роки тому
Just finished reading The War on the West which I found rather depressing but recommend 100% as one of the most important books of our time. The message is clear. Stop just complaining about these issues but make your voice heard before it’s too late.
@TimBitts649 2 роки тому
Why do they hate us? Jealous. We did amazing things. Invented the modern world, technology, human rights, democracy, the internet. What did they do? Complain. The proper antidote to the war on the West is conceited bragging. It's about time.
@niguel4438 2 роки тому
@@TimBitts649 absolutely. What are we afraid of? A minority of wokies. It’s ridiculous.
@TimBitts649 2 роки тому
@@niguel4438 Exactly. Same on many issues. Take abortion. More women than men, oppose abortion. Yet it's always presented that all women want it.
@BassistPaul Рік тому
It really is an important book. I also recommend it to all.
@manfrombritain6816 Рік тому
@@niguel4438 people are afraid to speak out because they are offered a choice: go along with something that naively sounds good - or stand against it and have to make a very detailed defense of your position and still probably get called names anyway. Almost no regular people have the time to learn how to make a proper case against the woke issues because it requires a ton of reading and practice. Remember most people don't have skills with talking/debating, and research. Its far easier to just say "uhhh...yeah...gib everyone free stuff"
@petewarby7158 8 місяців тому
"Forever focusing on what divides us", brilliant quote and maybe part of highlights what's wolring in society now.
@wingchun-simplekungfu7584 Рік тому
Thanks John. I’m comforted in knowing now I’m not the only person who feels like this. I’m a musician , surfer , parent , martial artist , husband , business manager ....... etc... and “so what” ?? 😂😂. I’m over people needing to be categorised .
@roberthays2883 Рік тому
Exactly! That’s why we shouldn’t have a specific LGBTQ month or black month. Just lumps people into groups.
@rokzane Рік тому
It's mainstream society who has created groups and identity politics through continued discrimination, forced exclusion, and violence against those long considered deviant, unclean, and not human. Congratulations, the mainstream society you claim identity with created it's own monster.
@michaelmontagu3979 Рік тому
Exactly. Why create ghettos?
@amandavieira2543 Рік тому
The prejudiced people started it. Blame them, not the opressed
@hollyebn Рік тому
Two outstanding men who I greatly admire and respect. Thank you for your wisdom.
@chrisbow1776 11 місяців тому
You always get clear logical common sense rational talks when listening to Douglas Murray.
@user-di8hm2jl2u 5 місяців тому
Ever since Christopher Hitchens left this world, I never thought we would have another polemic or contrarian that could take his place. I am pleased that Murray has stepped up brilliantly.
@george94065 Рік тому
Thanks for your work Douglas. Hang in there buddy you are a voice that needs to be heard.
@r8chlletters Рік тому
“Take me to your leader” bahahaha love it. Couldn’t agree with you more.
@christiankreps5920 Рік тому
This man talks unbelievable levels of sense.
@reformerx667 8 місяців тому
You can love or hate this man’s ideas, but it is always a pleasure to hear him speak. So charmingly intelligent. I just got his book and can’t wait to immerse myself in it.
@EmergingEvents 2 роки тому
The key point Douglas doesn’t say is that these people who decide why something progressive is ok, (e.g. male weightlifters winning the female category), are the same ones who promote themselves into leadership because they know best. Great work John!
@judii4370 Рік тому
very insightful
@HallyVee Рік тому
You're literally delusional. Seek help.
@stepheneurosailor1623 Рік тому
Who nose?
@castertroy9129 Рік тому
I’m sure he knows what these people are and where they come from. I loved how he put it. Very ambiguous yet so obvious.
@christopherarmstrong2710 Рік тому
Spot on.
@keithjackson4985 Рік тому
I always appreciate intelligent people who make points with ease.
@RockPile_ Рік тому
He said nothing particularly insightful here… it’s just a made for UKposts fluff piece to impress laymen with little to no familiarity with any of the topics at hand… it’s not dissimilar to how I can distract an infant by jingling some keys in its face. To the infant, I’m sure it’s a fairly impressive display from the perspective of the baby, (like how to you, the silly and trite observations of Murray are impressive and intelligent) but in reality the only reason one would be impressed is if they are simply too dull/intellectually incurious to see jingling keys for what they are.
@words007 Рік тому
@@RockPile_ you fool calling any watcher of this video or clip a layman is like watching a clip of joe rogan saying the N_word and labeling him racist? Is that fair? You have to know who Joe rogan is not just a cut out video clips pieced together to make a fool of somebody whoever ever said Joe is racist after that clip i told them go watch his podcast of last decade especially with black people and then come say hes racist that was my response. But not everybody has time to. This guy above said Dougles Murray knows what hes talking about and you say hes dangling keys in front of kids? Well not everybody has time like you to know everything of when hes dangling keys infront of naive public or when he is talking anything new?
@keithjackson4985 Рік тому
@@RockPile_ I like the presentation. It is simple but, he's going against the mainstream with simple logic that I appreciate. Calling people laymen because they enjoy a video is judgmental and unwarranted.
@RockPile_ Рік тому
@@keithjackson4985 layman is not an insult, it’s a fact. The issue with your perspective is that he’s not PRESENTING ideas simply, he’s presenting simplistic ideas That means that upon further inspection, none of what he says is really substantive whatsoever. Just empty platitudes delivered with a British accent and a vaguely sophisticated prose… And people like you somehow can’t see through that… don’t you feel condescended to? If someone made content like this targeted towards me, it would feel like they think I’m mentally handicapped
@keithjackson4985 Рік тому
@@RockPile_ Wow! You want to argue based on what you're feeling? If their layman and like it, is that a problem? Let people like it without judging them!
@lenmessi27 8 місяців тому
Finally a brave man speaks the truth without fear. Thank you
@petemoring67 Рік тому
Always an Excellent and Honest Point-Of-View with Douglas Murray 👏👏👏
@johncmiles1 Рік тому
There is such a thing as speaking truth to power and then there's just speaking the plain truth. Douglas Murray always does both eloquently and powerfully.
@johncmiles1 Рік тому
@championchap Actually no, speaking truth to power means being willing to tell the truth even if doing so might harm you in some way. Speaking the plain truth is simply conveying a fact, rain is wet. It's true and it takes no courage to say so, well at least until the left comes up with a way to try and decouple us from that reality.
@Eve.n.t_horizon Рік тому
absolutely beautifully put i really admire the eloquence and clarity of thought of this man, and also appreciate the interviewer, which is thoughtful and lets him speak. I did miss these qualities as of late.
@tracy3364 Рік тому
I've lately been listening to Douglas Murray and I've got to say I love what he talks about and agree with him...I try my best to understand everything he talks about but I'm gripped
@ecurb10 Рік тому
I've noticed with the Aboriginal and Torres Straits "community" that, far from being of one voice when it comes to what they think is best for them, they are sometimes quite divided. There are those such as Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, and even Noel Pearson and Marcia Langton, who have copped flack from their fellow but more vocal advocates. We're so used to hearing "Us First Nations people want/say this and that!!", but there is no such coherrant "people" really.
@Uriel-Septim. Рік тому
"There have always been and always will be, those who are driven by hate and want to blame those who are happy, creative and productive for their misery." --Terry Goodkind.
@ExistentialWill Рік тому
Yeah like Douglas Murray himself here. Open your eyes to see how much he also hates and divides based on groups.
@RobertReams2112 Рік тому
What is this from? I can’t seem to find it anywhere
@Uriel-Septim. Рік тому
@@RobertReams2112 From "The Sword of Truth" serie, it is one of the Wizard's rules.
@RobertReams2112 Рік тому
@@Uriel-Septim. thanks!
@Uriel-Septim. Рік тому
@@RobertReams2112 Np. there are a bunch, here is a few of those I like: "Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie." "Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self." "You can destroy those who speak the truth, but you cannot destroy the truth itself." "The greatest harm can result from the best intentions." .
@IdealX-fr4eg Рік тому
We are becoming more and more segregated by race, sexuality, politics, and religion. It's very scary
@tatt4music 8 місяців тому
Finally. Someone said it. There’s is no community!!! No group. No club and no point. Everyone needs to stop using their terms. Life is about the individual. Not the made up group. It’s childish and dangerous.
@theconiferoust9598 5 місяців тому
the bigger point is to make it a club, so that its easier to group up points in election races, power grabs; to get people thinking (i.e. voting) in one direction regardless of reality. these groups also model their own «facts» around this club identity and make it less likely that scandals or impropriety, which will always be weaponized by the «other», will dissuade their groupthink. think neverTrumpers, and all the self-policing of beliefs and party line bullying people face further ensures they tow the line.
@lighthousea4655 Рік тому
I love videos that talk in detail about everything I am upset about or irritated by with precision explanation.
@christophervishy8273 Рік тому
I just discovered you, and everything you say is so beautifully articulated, hearing you tackle these sociopolitical trends brought me so much clarity. Thank you - you are delightful!
@WayneLynch69 Рік тому
I just completed "The Madness of Crowds", and like Murray very much. But with this explication, you really stumbled upon him at his best. THIS is exquisite.
@caeserromero3013 Рік тому
Feminism ironically did more to support capitalism than end it. Overnight feminism doubled the available labour pool and lowered labour costs. The result was that now, more often than not, for working class families, BOTH parents needed to work full time to make ends meet (where before a family could be supported by one income) and children grew up neglected and neurotic...and perfect fodder for the 'progressive' education system...
@chrisstapleton7317 Рік тому
Bingo
@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Рік тому
Caeser ... are you interested in a 8 minute or so clip that will, i think, further open your eyes to the purpose of feminism? It is a clip of Aaron Russo, who made the movie "Trading Places" and others, being interviewed and he expounds on the purpose of feminism as to why it was popularised, who popularised it, and why and some of the bombshell information is some of what you stated.
@RAtMW88 Рік тому
That was the point. It's a weapon of war, without the violence.
@BanjoPixelSnack Рік тому
It wouldn’t have had to be this way if men hadn’t built a society where women were treated as property (of a father and then a husband). You try living like that, not being able to leave a violent marriage, it being illegal for you to work, or even illegal to have a bank account without your husband’s permission. Would you like to be a woman in that system? Yet we’re the ones you want to blame for breaking the backwards system that men created in the first place. If we’d just shut up and accepted our lot maybe things wouldn’t be so bad? Or maybe the fundamental system is the problem to start with.
@jasonrose6288 Рік тому
@@BanjoPixelSnack Your argument is a reasonable response to the original comment. However, both of you, to me, seem to be engaging in black & white thinking. No doubt, feminism has freed women from an oppressive past. Most would agree with that. However, that doesn't mean those changes have not created new and other problems. Nor does it mean that all aspects of every 'feminism' is beyond criticism or outright rejection.
@elenatramsti5176 Рік тому
Douglas Murray makes so much sense! I don't always agree with him on things but he is so rational, I love listening to him.
@derekandfarley Рік тому
We need more people like Douglas to turn around our woke society. Who ever believes that dividing a nation into small groups of people with a focus on their own special interest would make a nation strong. Division never brings strength and confusion never brings clarity. Our schools are very much to blame for the lack of teaching children to think and reason and to contribute their skills in making our nation prosperous. Instead we are focusing on every special interest group, every minority, every word that might be offensive to someone in one of those groups and even changing the meaning of established words. And then we wonder why our nation is falling apart.
@robinkrieger8003 8 місяців тому
He disdains the word “woke” as all intellectuals do….he’s not a redneck
@lucillelegge4373 5 місяців тому
Schools are not to blame! Parents and a now heavily technologically based society have now molly-coddled children to the extent that they are too lazy to think! Teachers are not allowed to apply any pressure to kids, in case it is detrimental to their"wellbeing". It's a crock!
@zyzzer Рік тому
Murray is absolutely right. It is the very point of this movement to sow seeds of hate and division by lumping "minority" against "majority" and ignoring that the individual is all that matters.
@just-a-fella3212 Рік тому
The Left weaponise peer pressure.
@lornocford6482 Рік тому
Who are you talking about when you say "minority" and "majority"?
@xaldynnemo47 Рік тому
The individual isn't all that matters, that goes against the entire point of society in the first place. Read the first goddamnedsentence of the Constitution.
@just-a-fella3212 Рік тому
@@xaldynnemo47 What about the first sentence?
@xaldynnemo47 Рік тому
@@just-a-fella3212 Read it.
@pilgrimofmanypilgrims Рік тому
As a Trans women I totally get this, I don't want a label that is manufactured by society to "include" me. I have a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria and that is the fact that I adhere to, I just need to be left alone to live my life in the way that allows me to be free of mind crushingly hatred of my assigned gender. I have finally found peace but it doesn't make me an LGBTQI activist it just makes me be who my mind tells me I am, an individual!
@suc125 Рік тому
You seem reasonable, could I ask you what is your take on Ricky Gervais supernature, if you have seen it?
@RU-rf5bk 9 місяців тому
Your gender was not assigned.
@lmr1049 4 місяці тому
“as a trans woman” you’re a man. don’t give us this “i’m trans but reasonable” bs. the language you use already reveals that you refuse to acknowledge reality.
@5thdimensionliving727 10 місяців тому
Thank you Mr Murray for being very articulate in your views - all makes complete sense to me ✅
@theebaddy8617 11 місяців тому
"The LGBTQ community. Take me to your leader"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@timshipp1145 Рік тому
"Why would we be taking the individualism out of the individual?". -- Douglas Murray Answer: Because not doing so would lessen any political capital that a particular 'community' has to gain. It's much harder for an individual to 'change the system' than it is for an entire community.
@Acueil Рік тому
Because it's the one thing that will feed socialism/communism. Individuality is harmful for their ideology.
@venusianblivet9518 Рік тому
Groups can’t make decisions, only individuals can, and believing groups can make decisions is really just believing that the majority in a group has the right to make decisions for the minority, aka collectivism
@ericbrown5589 Рік тому
It is always a pleasure to listen to Douglas Murray, so much common sense.
@EspatiallyGood Рік тому
Absolutely spot on. I understand that many people in the LGBTQ community felt oppressed in the past, but I think it's time to let that go, and stop being so divisive.
@richiep3520 Рік тому
Yes. It's spreading like a cancer now. Was so glad to see equality in marriage but I couldn't feel any further distant to the lgbtqi+ community. It's turning into a hate group.
@amandavieira2543 Рік тому
"Felt opressed" ,"In the past". Jesus..
@EspatiallyGood Рік тому
@@amandavieira2543I don't understand your response. If you have something to say, speak plainly.
@rnw2739 Рік тому
@Amanda Vieira Get over yourself, pathetic victim. How long can you harp on about injustices NOT experienced by you, many years ago and now no longer carried out? Stop opening up healed wounds and you might be a bit happier.
@joeg9478 Рік тому
Currently in 2023 America numerous states are trying to put on the books laws that ban drag shows and curtail LGBTQ people from living freely. Explain to me how this is not oppression.
@johnhunt5181 Рік тому
Well said ... Most people know what's going on... It's a shame that most of us are allowing it
@MerlynMusicman Рік тому
I think probably most people don't give a toss.
@MrCamaleon7 Рік тому
I could listen to Douglas Murray all day
@kaylenehousego8929 2 роки тому
Such a wonderful conversation n such a privilege to to live in a Country where we can still access such opportunity's for learning n thinking together. Thank you both.
@stepheneurosailor1623 Рік тому
Not for much longer.
@kaylenehousego8929 Рік тому
@@stepheneurosailor1623 Now theres a constructive creative response....
@douglasherron7534 Рік тому
@@kaylenehousego8929 But unfortunately a true one - if recent events in Australia, Canada, the USA and the UK are taken into consideration...
@2FollowHim777 Рік тому
I actually think we'll find ways; different ways of expressing, subtle, untraceable
@kaylenehousego8929 Рік тому
Maybe so, but is that really how you want to live ?
@kavalere Рік тому
Douglas Murray has a brilliant mind....love his work.
@TheBDD1970 Рік тому
I get so encouraged when I read through the comments and learn of the practice and desire for people to be individuals. Stay free.
@TheSmithsons Рік тому
What a great enlightening conversation to listen to , 🏆🏆
@gra-emed3617 Рік тому
I always feel reassured when I hear people like DM talk common sense. I have no interest in being part of an LGBT (whatever else added on community). I am just a guy and will never comply with this demand to be labelled by my sexuality
@michaelbaker6324 Рік тому
Absolutely. My so-called sexuality is probably the least interesting thing about me. I have absolutely zero attachment to the LGBTQXYZLMNOP "community."
@geerttermeer3358 Рік тому
Yes...we have to STOP talking about heterosexuals!
@gra-emed3617 Рік тому
@@michaelbaker6324 totally agree
@gra-emed3617 Рік тому
@@geerttermeer3358 huh? 🤣
@geerttermeer3358 Рік тому
@@gra-emed3617 Oops...are you the Marxist that DM is talking about? Congratulations, as this is a nearly extinct species. The world now is ruled by extreme right wingers, or right wingers like Biden. Left is totally beaten. Now it is up to us: the super rich to ask for more tax cuts and less protection of the poor or the environment (we just move to Norway when there is a problem). By the way: environmentalists is also not a group...
@meplife7313 4 місяці тому
Well spoken Douglas Murray :) This lumping people together in groups is just insidious. They almost always exclude others. What I don't agree with is having said groups shoving their ideologies down people's throats like it's supposed to be something everyone agrees on. The fact is we're all different, have different values, race, religions, sexualities, etc. We're also all unique and our own person. There's just things that should remain unsaid. There's things about myself that no-one but my immediate family and close friends know. That's just how it should be. The stuff that gets publicised these days is obscene.
@carlT1986 Рік тому
One other thing: Douglas, please keep writing. Your books are important to me and mine
@realtimestrategy227 2 роки тому
"what if that's the point" cut so hard and so deep the host is left speechless.
@gregoryforde7447 2 роки тому
Absolutely
@leunisvandewege9651 Рік тому
see: Yuri Bezmenov (YT)
@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Рік тому
@@leunisvandewege9651 Well suggested.
@BPchadlite Рік тому
It was conspiracy cringe from Douglas smelling his own farts as usual
@filled_soda Рік тому
@@leunisvandewege9651 #yuriwasright
@scotiancoast4498 Рік тому
"Take me to your leader" 🤣
@benzel2573 Рік тому
The point made of how we have fallen into society driven categories while at the same time rejecting them is simply much deeper than it will get credit for
@thormusique Рік тому
Bravo, Douglas Murray! As always, an intelligent, cogently presented statement of one of the greatest challenges facing the West today. Cheers!
@lavonnekelly9173 Рік тому
This has always been a pet peeve of mine....putting people into catagories...I have always seen people as individuals.
@just-a-fella3212 Рік тому
The Left are weaponising peer pressure.
@xaldynnemo47 Рік тому
Do you not see the hypocrisy then in republican politicians legislating specifically against LGBT people as a whole?
@josephbrabander9124 Рік тому
When any of these social issues are politicized you are guaranteeing that they will never be resolved.
@Exotic3000 8 місяців тому
I love the way Douglas Murray thinks! ❤
@moirabaker458 Рік тому
Douglas Murray... The voice of reason in a MAD world!!!
@daytradingnl4734 Рік тому
“You are opressed. Let me help you to punish the opressors. Let me be in power/give me your money and I will set things right”
@mrsw2923 Рік тому
BINGO!!
@criticalthinker8374 Рік тому
Same with the BLM creeps, they bought expensive homes with the money they swindled.
@xaldynnemo47 Рік тому
Who said that?
@bikechickluvs2groove Рік тому
Very interesting commentary. Exactly! Division rather than unity! And that is the point.
@matthewclark6625 Рік тому
Douglas Murray and Neil Oliver are two of the most perceptive social commentors in the western media. The United Kingdom is fortunate to have them.
@leonharrison800 Рік тому
These men are just Conservative bigots living in their bubble of superficiality. And an agenda of hate and white heteronormative privilege.
@easypeasy2938 Рік тому
Just putting this out there.... it might be important to remember the history of the community. These communities formed because they were often treated very poorly as "individuals". Considering the much broader acceptance of these communities as of late, it was a successful tactic. Unfortunately, when progress is made, it seems to be the nature of humans in general to want more, which can spiral out of control until checked by those who oppose these changes.
@alyahamzah1952 Рік тому
In my experience, non heterosexual ppl tend to think their sexuality is a major part of their personality and often impose and overshare it to others when it is unnecessary to do so. Nobody needs to know what you like to do behind closed doors and with whom in the privacy of your home.
@fomorians Рік тому
There's a whole bunch of us non-heterosexual people who never even mention our sexuality unless it's absolutely relevant/necessary. Precisely because it's meant to be private. I'm sorry about your experiences, but those people are simply insecure and need attention.
@MKdence_ Рік тому
I mean, that is because unless they "impose or overshare" it you naturally assume they are heterosexual and therefore, those who keep it to themselves are not part of your experience with non-heterosexuals.
@mon_avis2978 2 роки тому
4:36 Thank you, Douglas, for verbalizing, articulating what has been until now unformulated thoughts, positive and negative, on this issue.
@davidjohn5639 Рік тому
Douglas Murray is brilliant. Pure and simple.
@Katigirl23 Рік тому
This is brilliant! This is exactly what’s happening right now in the US!
@erato99 Рік тому
I’m a progressive, and I always appreciate Douglas Murray’s point of view. He never ceases to provide a practical and well-reasoned common sense approach to most issues.
@normatemp2071 Рік тому
Huh? His argument was "oh come on..."
@kekkles117 Рік тому
@@normatemp2071 If you watched a 6 minute discussion and only extracted "Oh...come on" Then I'd say that's more a consequence of your comprehension/disinterest rather than the discussion lol.
@BradLad56 Рік тому
Shame there's a lot of regressives masquerading as progressives though.
@erato99 Рік тому
@@BradLad56 True. The problem is that most of the folks that want to scold others over language and other such innocuous things tend to identify themselves as progressive as well.
@normatemp2071 Рік тому
@@publius1252 if you form a community you are.
@robertmcneese1337 Рік тому
I'm attracted to men and I agree. The community dies not exist. I don't like being lumped in with that madness. I am a multi-dementional human being. I do t relate,identify or have anything to do with that "community"
@davidoberle9023 Рік тому
Douglas Murray is an eloquent speaker. Easy for me to understand and great examples in day-to-day life.
@schrodingerscat1863 Рік тому
We need more people like Douglas Murray who are able to think deeply on these divisive topics and discuss them eloquently and forthrightly.
@MexAm120902 Рік тому
I'm shallow. I'm mesmerized by how handsome Douglas is with his beard. Hard to focus on his ideas, he's so handsome.😍
@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Рік тому
smh.
@charlytaylor1748 Рік тому
I like the old style window and the tasteful hue of the wall
@BretTkacs 8 місяців тому
What a pleasure to hear a politician speaking in a way that makes sense and isn't towing a hard line left or right
@philmuskett265 Рік тому
Listen to this man before it's too late!!
@hitchslap8254 Рік тому
"take me to your leader". Brilliant.
@jazura2 Рік тому
Agree
@glennhynes5263 Рік тому
Thank God, in the most literal sense, for his intelligence, his attitude and his refusal to accept absurdity. We need him, the world needs him.
@brucecharlie8613 8 місяців тому
Working class = low tax bracket Middle class = high tax bracket Ruling class = tax evasion Your welcome lol
@markashdown1314 Рік тому
Good stuff as ever Douglas. Thanks.
@vonhalberstadt3590 Рік тому
Murray is, as always, insightful and eloquent.
@Malpheron Рік тому
My concern with arguing that "far left ideas are terrible" (which I happen to agree with) is that it is often followed by "therefore right-wing/conservative ideas are correct". This is certainly not done in this video, but it is something to watch out for. I think that left/right categories are bad. It is shorthand for something vaguely accurate, but it is also more identity politics: "This is my team. My team is correct. Your team is wrong." I encourage everyone to embrace centrism. The aim of centrism to my mind (please let me know if you have another view) is to organise society in such a way to maximise the benefit to those that live in it. How we do this is not easy to determine. But forming up into little identity tribes and yelling across the table does not seem to be a good start. I do not agree with Douglas on a lot of issues, but that is exactly why he is the person I would want to talk to about them. Not shout him down.
@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Рік тому
God/Jesus teaches He is on the right... satan is on the left... go read in the Book of Revelation 3:15-16 what Jesus _[God]_ has to teach about 'centrism."
@Malpheron Рік тому
lol, no
@RAtMW88 Рік тому
The truth is that politics, and societal engineering, are either eugenic, or dysgenic.
@stigcc Рік тому
@@RAtMW88 I agree, but often it is very difficult to understand if a policy or action is one or the other.
@jamesrutterford576 Рік тому
This exactly. I used to think I was left wing, and ultimately I still am certainly economically so, but in recent times I’ve realised there’s just too many things I’m hearing from right wing speakers that I agree with, and too much from the left I find idiotic. My positions don’t fit neatly onto either side, and indeed I’m certain that if all people thought critically and independently, the notions of a separation between left wing and right wing individuals would be so vague as to no longer divide us. Both schools of thought have a lot to bring to the table, if we want an optimal future we need to always be thinking in ways that take a leaf from both handbooks. Centrism (or at least being very moderate in the side you lean too) seems to me obviously the only appropriate stance for shaping a better future and not merely providing yet another identity we can hold to divide us. Centrism DOES NOT just mean that ur really wishy washy about everything, contrary to popular belief.
@shauniiarce Рік тому
Truth. So refreshing to hear.
@ouicommunicate Рік тому
Finally ! it has been said. Any "community" is a journalistic term that refers to ...nothing.
@leonharrison800 Рік тому
You are a Bigot. Community is real and is geographic or virtual. All that matters is that anyone who is LGBT or any other group can find where they belong! Fact.
@cpasty3450 Рік тому
I am a member of the non-LGBTQI+ community. I'm sure I'm not alone, but I don't see or hear anyone in the mainstream media identifying like me.
@christinamjp Рік тому
Oh we are here!!
@Ashigeru47 Рік тому
The fact is that straight people don't feel the need to tell everyone their sexuality. LGBTQ activists insist on telling the world about it... They don't seem to realize that No One Cares! But, they feel the visceral need to be seen as "Special" that they get upset when they aren't treated like celebrities for not being straight...
@cheshirekat3050 Рік тому
What's "mainstream" these days?
@commandershepard9920 Рік тому
Being a member of the "non-LGBTQI+ community" has not, historically, been a source of discrimination. I'm against identity politics, but the reason why certain "groups" exist can often be traced to historical discrimination. It's because all (or most) members of that "group" all have something in common - being discriminated against. Of course "proudly identifying as straight" is silly and idiotic, because you've never had to face discrimination for being straight.
@cpasty3450 Рік тому
@Zippitydoodah I'm with you Zippy
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