Growing up in Germany in the 1970s abd 1980s, we sometimes discussed how "oppressed" we were, while living in the most wealthy and arguably the freeest society that humans have ever had in known history.

I'm a big fan of Jordan Peterson, but I was also very impressed with Dave Rubin's take on speaking with the young entitled. Well worded and well argued.

I have read both his Rules for Life books and have learned so many useful things that I hadn't considered from it. Now I think about improving things much more locally, listen to people I disagree with, and am trying to better my own position in life rather than just passively complaining about society on social media (which I got rid of.) Listening to him hasn't made me worse.

My grandparents had it better than me. Married at 18 and bought their first house at 19. Im in my mid 20s and my dream of home ownership is exactly that, a dream. I feel many Canadians are in a similar boat as me.

I don't always agree with Peterson. But every time I am impressed with his intelligence, reasonableness and his ability to express his ideas in such accessible and understandable ways. Truly a great speaker and someone worth listening to.

JP literally 100% focuses when someone else is speaking. I often find myself daydreaming when someone has been talking for a certain length of time but he literally absorbs every word spoken.

I think John Anderson is very good at what he explains. He is very clear and accesible in what he talks. But Jordan Peterson is in a whole another level. When Peterson starts to talk, he just goes on and on from one really deep point to another, flawless. It's really impressive.

Social media is, by far, the most oppressive feature of modern society.

I agree with the argument that socialism can lead to totalitarianism, but what just happened here in Australia shows that even with a conservative liberal government totalitarianism can still be manifested, whether you're left or right or politics, power can be corrupted.

I'm 60, retired, but 4 years ago took a part time job at a major US retailer. I needed something to keep me busy and helping people with their plumbing and electrical problems is satisfying. Most of the staff is under 30, lazy, and have never been under anyone's authority. For most of them, respecting parents, teachers, police, supervisors, etc. was all optional growing up. Seeking wisdom from those older individuals, for them, is seen as a waste of time. God help us.

“You don’t throw away the whole book” Deserves to be a mantra. Still only a 50 percent fan of Jordon Peterson but at the same time I am a 100 percent fan of the 50 percent.

JP's articulation and presentation of an argument is absolute class - yes, we are all aware that not everyone agrees with some of his opinions, however, the foundation upon which he structures a point/idea could be considered flawless, to the extent that journalists and interviewers try to twist and manipulate his own words against him, and fail every time. An outstanding political commentator and psychologist and is one of very few nowadays that truly voices their honest opinion.

"The Absurdity of Socialism" No one mentions socialism even once.

My grandparents had it better off than I do in at least one significant way: They weren't oppressed by The Woke Mob.

Man. This man just makes sense. From following the "are you worse off then your grandparents' question, Dr. Peterson just RAN with it and scored MULTIPLE Touchdowns (that's American Football speak,... sorry). The thing is that what he said is so intelligent yet one doesn't have to be intellectual to understand how much SENSE what he says actually makes in a way on both a personal and realistic level. Wow.

The danger of intellectual laziness. I don't think people realise just how much painstaking work was put into the development if human societies to take us from caves and trees to present day. And that the problems with what we are left with cannot simply be fixed by violently ripping out entire traditional sections of society and thinking "this will not backfire at all, it will instead lead to utopia". It is important to remember that we rarely ponder the things that humans have done remarkably well; we focus on problems which increases ingratitude.

This reminds me of a conversation that I had with my daughter several months ago. I don't remember how the subject came up, but I asked her if she actually believed that she had "inherent white privilege". Much to my surprise, she responded yes. When I tried to engage in a conversation with her about it, she said that she didn't come to visit just to argue with me. The reason I bring this up is this: Younger people today firmly believe that they are smart enough to not only believe this fiction, but believe that they are smart enough to SOLVE the issues that they really can't completely understand. When confronted with debate they tend to avoid the subject altogether, believing that they are absolutely correct, and nothing that anyone says will change their mind. The unwillingness to LISTEN is what bothers me most of all. I offer the chance to debate (which then gives them the chance to try to change MY point or position), but they refuse to discuss anything. Do any of you find this to be true as well?

“You don’t throw away the whole book!” JP He’s so awesome.

Gotta love Peterson. Rare clarity and consistency in his message.

Jordan Peterson is literally the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you, God, for him. Listening to him almost always causes my heart to overflow.

Two different restaurant shifts used two different tipping types: 1) all tips went into ONE jar and were divided evenly at shift’s end. 2) each server kept all tips individually gotten. Some liked the first method; some liked the second. You can guess which type of person liked which method.

Jordan Peterson is the best listener. I wish I could listen like him.

Fun listening to John Anderson's segments. Nice on the eyes and a silky sound. Love it ❤❤

I loved the point JP made about humility: "You really think you're capable of making large-scale social transformations and getting it right, do you?" This question should be put to Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Peterson is amazingly articulate and elegant in his speaking. He just makes so much sense. I'm a little older than Peterson, but I've often tried to explain many of these ideas with far less success. I think of society as an ecosystem which has evolved into a tangled web of relationships not unlike our biosphere. We have only begun to understand a few of its elements and are nowhere near being able to construct a replacement. The near-sighted arrogance of those who thing they can is equally amazing.

"start from yourself" and not by pointing blame to others or to the system. JP is awesome 👍

just started watch the man. being intelligent is one thing. to navigate topics and thought processes as he does is other worldly.

To think that Dr. Peterson is suffering from withdrawal symptoms and not to mention other crises in his family ALL WHILE being so articulately insightful in this clip speaks volumes of the kind of person he is. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with him you gotta love his commitment and passion.. Super 👍🏻

Each time I hear Jordan Peterson, I get a better grasp on things which have been puzzling me for a long time. And what is magnificent is that he always find a point of observation that is enlightening. I really like listening to what he says.

Does anyone here have it worse than their grandparents? Our grandparents could afford to buy their own homes.

JP speaks and everyone else falls into his spell. Truly a remarkable man/speaker for our time. For all its good and bad, praise for the internet and what it is.

To Dave's point, who among us can say we have it worse than our grandparents? Not many. One of mine died in the Great Flu of 1918, another was orphaned at 10 and scrubbed floors from 14, with a baby in tow at 18, another died of diabetes at 50 in 1940, another taught school for $4000 per year. A step-grandfather shoveled coal into a furnace 60 hours a week before overtime. Yes, my life has been easier than all of theirs.

Jordan Peterson is one of Canada's greatest minds. It's unfortunate he's been attacked so viciously for speaking truths but im grateful because it brought him to prominence.

What he says about small bad details holds true with what he has said. While some of the things he has said can be considered somewhat questionable, some of the things he has said are truly quite intelligent. The ability lies with you to determine which things are specifically not so great, and which are actually quite valid, and can give valuable lessons.

JP just nailed/smashed it again,these guy is mesmerising to watch/hear.What he says all makes so much sense,and things we don’t even realise we have,he perfectly reminds us,we are so lucky to have what we have.Get his books im on the second one.❤️JP⭐️💎👏👏👏👏

I love JP's simple comment "Tidy your room." I.e improve your life in some small way, with it's inherant message that if you cannot even get the basics in your own life right, what on earth makes you think you are qualified to try and fix something that's more complicated than you can possible imagine? Most people and I include myself shouldn't be making statements, or holding opinions about subjects they know nothing about. There is nothing wrong with the statement "I don't know". In fact it's probably the wisest thing most people will ever say, because they are acknowledging their own ignorance.

God bless you Dr. Peterson, please be strong and take more care. Your simple and insightful words are like refreshing drops of water in a dry and parched world. Greetings & Cheers also to Mr. Rubin and many thanks for your UKposts advocacy Mr. Anderson.

Jordan is a very passionate man and speaks truth gotta love him ❤

"carefully" is the most important word in this video

JP actually in his very person embodies the very argument he put forward in the sense that some of what he says is to say the least questionable nonsense whereas some of it is really level headed and thought out. He's a complicated character who I don't always agree with but I'm glad he's around doing his thing.

My grandparents had 6 children, grandma never worked outside, grandpa with an average job was able to graduate 3 of his children without going bankrupt, medical needs were always covered, my grandparents had their own house, grandpa only had 3 vehicles as I understand, and the last one lasted 23 years until his death, always surrounded by his children, grandchildren and some old friends from the same town where he grew up. I could say that they lived a full and happy life. Just because today you have more TV channels or Netflix, a cell phone, more news about space travel, better medicine for those who can afford it, and above all, the ease of expressing yourself before a larger scenario on social media, I don't think we are in a better position than them. Try leaving your partner at home, with 6 children with a regular job, and come back to me with your experiences.

I live in Chile, a country inundated by hundreds of thousands of economic and political refugees escaping the ruins of socialism in Venezuela in real time. In spite of Chileans seeing this unfold with their own eyes and hearing firsthand accounts of the destruction that socialism brought, Chileans themselves recently voted for a hard left President, under the pretences of thinking that in Chile they would be smart enough to do things differently. Dumbfounded by this I asked a Venezuelan friend how people could be so blinded by their own hubris, he told me bluntly “ Venezuelans were warned by Cuban refugees too, before we elected Chavez, we also thought that we were smarter than the Cubans”.

Those kids looked bewildered like it's the first time logic was laid right in front of their eyes.

Comforting lies are always more popular than uncomfortable truths.

This man speaks so much sense. His clarity is refreshingly simple and obvious.

Look, I’m an Australian and we’ve passed the rubicon. We live under the heavy hand of govt. Small and medium sized businesses are getting fleeced and we can not charge appropriately, while corporations pose huge barriers to entry and enjoy govt. contracts. Now watch as developers subsume the dead retail sector into high rise apartments - more rates and taxes for the govt. as the fabric of suburbs changes forever. We live under corporate socialism.

Man this guy such a well thought out speaker it's just amazing to listen to him would have loved to have him as a professor

"Truly a possessed eye" and "a glossed over zombie look". Sadly we're seeing them everywhere these days

We are blessed to have lived in a time when this man shared his insights and observations

Another reason I think Jordan resonates with so many people is because when he speaks, he has the energy and concern of a real father figure and since most people never grew up with that voice in their lives they tend to listen to him more intently.

As an Australian who will never, ever vote Labor again and hated, really hated the Federal Liberal Government of John Howard, I am delighted to see John Anderson hanging out with all of the online personalities I have come to love over the last several and very difficult years.

I think all these guys display a clear understanding of the people they’ve misinterpreted. It’s easier to condemn something when you’ve caricatured it, and there’s so many red flags in this conversation alerting to that, it’s painful to hear.

I love how he'll pause for a second to formulate his idea fully. He's literally one of the most thoughtful philosophical thinkers we have to our advantage currently.

Jordan is ALSO a "One in a BILLION" who have visited this earthly plane. People should LISTEN to his wisdom and insight.

I appreciate that Jordan Peterson acknowledges the oppression. It's hard to have this discussion if we don't have the empathy or sight to see that there are people with phones but live very oppressed lives. And we should refuse the idea of comparing with a poor, backbreaking, oppressed grandmother, that's normalising oppression. Our grandmothers should not have had to fight such battles, and when we fight we fight for them as well. And there's room for and in this conversation but it has to start where Jordan started with acknowledging the oppression. And I share these thoughts as an African living in Africa not a right or leftist.

I'm an Independent, my Grandfather came from Naples Italy, never served this country and had it a lot better than me and I served in the US Marines in 1972.

Thomas Sowell and Jordan Peterson are two great minds people should know about and benefit from their wisdom.

Mr Rubin's transition from left to right is nothing short of brilliant and beautiful. A wonderful man.

Didnt actually hear much said about socialism but Australians define socialism differently. For us socialism is not about wealth production (which these days is left to private enterprise) , but wealth distribution via many forms of taxation. Australia really is a mix of capitalism ( production) and socialism ( distribution) There are many payments and benefits which make it possible for many groups of people to live relatively well without working. There isa an excellent health, disability, and education coverage. An age pensioner or a single mum with a couple of kids can survive without going hungry cold, or lacking in medical care, based on govt pensions subsidies etc. It's basic and if you want more you need to provide it for yourself but its enough to survive on.

I admire prof peterson 💌

I love how passionate Jordan Peterson is, when he gets all choked up , he’s really special.

What did we get right? 6:58 • the sovereignty of the individual + the right to property 7:14 the dignity of the individual 7:18 innocence before the law 7:45 .. each person has an intrinsic worth regardless of their externalities

Pulls phone out of pocket claiming anyone who has a phone is oppressed. Doesn't realize, the phone is oppressing most people...

JP says a lot and says absolutely nothing at the same time. He is very impressive.

Jordan's point about humility challenges me. It's so easy to think "Why doesn't everyone see it like this?" That's how I felt in my 20s. Now that I'm a bit older, I'm shocked when I meet someone that has a similar viewpoint on more than 2 issues.

My grandparents - during the great depression - were thrown out of their house as were many other people at that time. These houses could not be sold because nobody had any money to buy them and they were boarded up. And because there was no place to live, my grandfather broke into these boarded up houses and they lived there until the authorities caught up with them and threw them out and then they moved into another boarded up house. That went on for a couple years. What a horrible way to live in this country! Think about being a man with a wife and four children no job no home doing whatever he could to make his family survive. I’d say we have a lot better now. But I will say that we seem to be headed into that same scenario yet again. Heads up.

notice how intensely Peterson is looking at the man speaking. This man knows how to listen

“One key reason why is because it requires the voluntary mutual submission of every individual in society to every other individual in society.” - James Lindsay

I love dave Rubin. He's the sweetest guy on earth, so genuine and honest.

Dr. Peterson is such a wise, articulate man. I so enjoy his discussions. It makes sense, it gives your mind the food it needs to be logical and not radical. Completely agree knowing, understanding our collective history - no matter how much you don't like it - is key to understand how to make a better future. I heard a saying " if you don't know the past, how can you plan for the future?" .

You have no idea of how happy I am to have found you 😇

why do the moderators chew up half the time of this clip????

Super. You both are inspiring. Thank you for elevating the conversation. I feel kinda dumb after listening to both of you... but inspired 🤪

Absolutely love the closing idea. Thanks so much for your dedication to output JP! We love you!

My grandparents absolutely had it better off than I do. They retired with a paid off mortgage, a comfortable pension and a belief in thier country. For starters.

I think we do have it worse than our grandparents because our money isn't worth as much. My grandfather inherited money to go to college, I received no such thing now that college costs 1000 times more than it used to.

What’s amazing is Rubin is an intelligent, interesting and engaging speaker with person important things to say but when Jordan Peterson follows, Rubin seems boring and childlike in comparison. This isn’t an insult to Rubin but a compliment to JP, he was rapidly becoming a living national treasure of Western Civilization!

I've always known my government oppresses me, but it was never made so clear as in the Family Court here in America.

Dave Rubin being here reminds me of that meme with the clown in between soliders.

I feel like a lot of the feeling of oppression among young people stems from the fact that in today‘s western society most of what you have built or created by the time you‘re 25 or 30, which is mostly your own potential btw, has been at the mercy of others (mostly your parents). Today you really only become competent, usefull and productive after 25 years or more. And that dependancy might get confused with feelings of oppression, especially in the young, repellious minds of university students. Our grandparents were mostly forced to stand on their own two feet by the time they were 20 and they had to bear the responsobility for themselves and their actions much earlier.

Peterson is such a warrior. Still swinging. Like a boss.

Well I am italian, my grandparents (from both sides) were middle class 60 years ago (teachers, entrepreneurs, police officers) when being from middle class ment that you were moderately well to do, my grand parents could afford to pay for higher education for all their childrens, buy more than one house (one primary and two or more for holydays), go on holydays and travel around the globe. 60 years later, I could be considered still from middle class (I have a CS degree and a stable job) but in my city (Milan in Italy) an appartment for a family of four cost about 900 thousands euro (and i cannot afford it), every year I must choose if I want to pay for my daughters school tutition or if i want to bring my family on a trip (ofcourse i pay for tutition). So, yes, I am doing far worse than my grandparents.

Yes to all of this. The problem is ot something outside of yourself but the problem is you and what you believe affects you. If you cannot better or improve yourself in any type of way, you certainly cannot do anything for anyone else to benefit them. People want good things to make things right but do not know what is good that can be made right. It is a life lesson made by life decisions that overall consummates what we entail for ourselves

My great-grandparents lived as children in the Soviet Union during the Second World War (or Great Patriotic War, as they call it) in a village near Omsk. While they were far away from the slaughter of the front, they still endured hardships greater than ours. They barely had any variation in diet, because a large part of their products were taken by the Soviets. Their parents had it even worse, they went to the Gulags because my family is and was ethnically German. Saying that our society is totally unfair, imposes hardships and needs socialism and more leftist ideology is total madness. The intellectuals in this video summed this up great.

I've only just discovered Jordan Peterson, and what he says resonates with my way of thinking so much.

Speaking for myself, I DO have it "worse" than most of my Grandparents. (one died in WWII, so obviously I'm better off than he ended up) But I don't see that as a bad thing, nor do I see myself as oppressed - my grandparents simply did better than I am. They reacted better to the challenges in their lives. One of my grandfathers was a tenured University Professor when that actually meant something. My Grandma (his wife) was a well-respected musician within the Anglican church. My step-grandfather was a high ranking Military commander (my grandmother married another military man - that's the life she knew, so she stayed within it) who was instrumental in post-war Canada. My grandmother raised 7 kids (2 of hers, 2 of his, 3 of theirs) while he was often deployed across the world for months at a time, while the family moved 10-15 times in 20 years. I can't compare to them. But that doesn't make me oppressed in ANY way. I could have done much better if I had made more future-searching decisions when I was younger. But I didn't, and I'm paying for those mistakes now. (Literally as well as figuratively) The majority of people I've interacted with are in a similar boat to me - even if we are worse off than our grandparents, it's entirely our decisions. WE decided that when we were 25, we were "too young" to settle down. We decided not to start saving money until we were in our 30's. We decided that we wanted to be $150/mth for Cable TV, Home Phone and Internet when we barely watched Cable TV and we were also paying $50/mth for a Cellphone so we never used the home phone. We decided to spend $1500 to fly to Whistler for a weekend of skiing. We decided to quit our boring 9-5 job to try to make it as a Streamer or UKpostsr. We decided that kids weren't something we were interested in, that we'd rather live in Toronto (or New York, or LA, or Washington, or Montreal, or Vacouver, or London, or Paris, etc.) and pay $2000/mth in rent instead of moving to a small town and paying $1000/mth for ALL the mortgage, insurance and utilities. We made the decision to live in the Now instead of looking to the Future. My Grandparents didn't do that, and so when they were in their mid 40's (like I am), they were much better off than I am now. And it's entirely my fault.

I'm sorry I'm not an English native speaker, when I read the title, I was expecting socialism to be an economical point of view. What's the link with what JP said?

Yes my grand parents had it better than I do, they own a house by my age had a family and starting to get grand kids, they did all that on a contractors and nursing career. I got to suffer a job I didn't t like for 12 hour days for a decade and got nothing for that time wasted, so yes they had it better.

God Bless the INCREDIBLY beautiful souls & minds of the abs great David Rubin & Jordan Peterson! God Bless you both fervently & proudly leading this quintessential fight for human rights, dignity & truth. We love you.

OMG, start improvement with myself? Moi? Perfect me? You crazy, man! I need to change the world! Right now!

A lot of people can't own a home and their grandparents finished their mortgage decades ago. I'd rather own a house than a smartphone. My grandparents bought large 3 bed house with a huge garden and a shop connected to it with a compound and parking for 5 grand 55 years ago, you'd be paying that a month for it now 😅

Off the topic , but sure wondering whether Mr Anderson is related to the late actor Rod Taylor who was Australian

Insightful questions to men of great insight, thank you John.

Great work Mr Anderson. Big admirer of Professor Peterson and Mr Rubin too. I just love hearing articulate, intelligent, brave creative thinkers express themselves. I'm tired of the ideological possession where I can't even SEE an individual anymore. People with strong character, clear thinking and fascinating life experience really interest me. Anybody strong enough to go against the grain and call it as they see it gets my attention. Too much tribalism, too much group think and channels like this offer the refreshment and comfort I look for. Thank you for your great interviews on this channel.

Great discussion, bravo!

At no point they were talking about the absurdity of socialism or is it just me and my views a an European social democrat? Anyway, brilliant talk these gentlemen are having.

If the words of Jordan Peterson and Thomas Sowell, were taught in schools instead of Left-wing ideology, the world would be heading into a brighter future.

More great content Watching this from a 2022 perspective make me realize how quickly backwards we went in 3 years.

"Does anyone here have it worse than their grandparents" won't stand the test of time though. my grandparents went through wwII... but if the same question is asked 2 generations later than today, im sure a lot of people will raise their hands..

This was from 2019. Four years later, Mr Rubin needs to reconsider whether there is repression in the West.