I am Tower ATCO from Europe and 12h break between shifts is minimum and max 160h per month of duty time.

When air traffic controllers complained about the same things in 1982, Reagan just fired them all. Nothing improved.

1 more hour of rest won't make much difference

How about actually fill the huge shortage of ATC? The government needs to fully fund the ATC budget and stop the yearly "we will think about" hiring and training. Stop stealing from the budget to send the funds elsewhere.

I went to college for ATC and have been trying to get hired for 4 years. Instead the FAA hires people with little to no aviation experience at a rate of 10:1. 25% of those people fail out of the training academy. Utterly ridiculous.

It was at 9 Hours between shifts? This is insanity. Where I'm from the minimum hours between two workdays (not shift work) ist 11 hours. And we are talking Air Traffic Controllers here. They should get MORE rest between shifts than the standard retail or office worker. So just from eyeballing it I'd say 14 hours would be more appropriate.

Biggest problem with atc is that our pay isn’t even remotely keeping up with inflation.

As a pilot myself, i could never expect atc to work longer hours than I do. The good folks there make this all possible

Give them a raise too. They haven't gotten a decent raise to counter inflation. They're stressed

Literally just throw money at this problem. They need more trainers, more funds for training, more controllers. You can't strangle ATC funds then act shocked when planes are having near misses.

Sounds like they need to start the samething they do for truck drivers. Give them a 70 hour clock for 8 days

Need to work on radio systems too. A lot of “stepping” on each other at airports.

Safety first

lol we don’t have staffing to do this. The mid rule itself wrecks this. We currently get 8 hours between our morning and mid shift

And then earlier this week at JFK there was a similar issue. Ground cleared four planes to cross an active runway at the same time Tower cleared one for takeoff.

...Or you give control of the runway(s) to ONE PERSON. 1 runway should not be shared by a separate frequency, especially when crossing traffic is involved

Would be so nice if doctors had this too

Stop making the most experienced controllers retire. Keep them onboard for leadership on the job even if it is part time. The FAA is trying to cause a disaster.

Mandatory overtime?

Wow they didn’t have that set from the beginning??!!

😊Good initiative after a long time 😁

As a student pilot, what were those pilots thinking allowing someone that doesn’t belong in the cockpit in it? I’m not even at that level in my career and can see how stupid that is

If you can''t use AI for controllers you can't use AI for cockpit.

As a pilot, I can tell you 10 hours isn’t enough.

now let's have this same talk about nurses

Amazing--whenever I hear about pilot or airline transgressions, it's usually United involved. A baseball coach in the pilot's seat during an active flight--what on earth were the flight crew thinking?

There's a larger ATC deficit than there is for pilots

Have these pilots learned nothing from 9/11? 🙄

I do not know for sure about other markets, but here in India.. even the likes of Amazon (one of THE MOST predatory employers) mandates just a 9 hours shift for the customer service reps. and even if the call centre is an outsourced one, it usually does not extend beyond 10-11 hours including overtime. What then stops Divided States from not having enough ATCs with shifts of only limited hours per calendar day? Maybe corporate greed is more important than passenger lives. I have heard that many countries even strictly enforce how many hours a fleet/truck driver can drive, before which it is unsafe to be on the roads. And here we have ATCs who can directly affect hundreds of lives per jumbo jet.

Silly guy lost his job over stupidity 😮

We need more controllers, and our controllers need more rest.

The 12 hour requirement before mid decimates controller current work schedules at 24 hour facilities. It is simply not feasible.

0:15 That is a flight simulator...

Why are they trying to get more controllers in such a rush? Lower the number of flights. Add the controllers in a systematic way that will allow for training. Keep safety a priority. Have the airlines use the down time to check their planes, give pilots extra training that they have no time for, or just time off. Don't compromise safety for any reason. Just my $.02 worth 😊

Nine!? They've only been sleeping Nine!?

we call these shifts turn and burn and they are very common in every industry this law does nothing it's not enough

DEI baby!!

Great start, these rules. Too bad the FAA don't have funding/staffing for the shifts they CURRENTLY have, let alone the extra slots these rules will create by fiat. Without enough fully trained personnel, these rules will end up making things worse, not better.

I'm confused about the last part where the pilots were banned for letting apassenger in, because it was a chartered flight. Surely if you're renting the entire aircraft you can go in the cockpit, because why not. It's different if you're just a passenger on a commerial flight.

If anyone heard the atc audio, you would know what the real problem was.

not that it matters too much but the clip at 0:17 is a flight simulator not a real incident

Yes should rest

Too many airplanes pushing back all at the same time maybe idk 🤷🏻

I retired from ATC 10 years ago when the FAA just started using a personality test as a main guide for hiring controllers. NATCA went along with it. I bought it up to NATCA about this idiocy and subsequently got censured. Then the FAA went to "train to succeed" which means basically no failures. Lots of experienced people never got hired and the FAA hired rejects.

Classic Golden State 🌉

Maybe if the entire industry did not rely on people who broke their wallet to become a Traffic controller and or a Pilot we would not have a shortage......but then again that is my opinion on it. The country is in shambles the middle class are out of money suffering where every place is expensive. Got a friend of mine working with MTA in NYC making nearly 45 an hour and he STILL can't survive with how expensive the city is let alone living outside the city. Not even enough to pay morgage.

That Colorado baseball coach was under investigation already. Why isn't been locked up yet

The FAA never even asked about the hours between shifts they just did it on their own. 12 hours between a day shift and mid shift is crazy. This will only make staffing harder...

pilots letting that man in. is the dumbest thing ive seen from pilots

Hi FAA - in the past you carved out cargo pilots from enjoying the rest rules that passenger pilots enjoy - are you doing the same for controllers? If they are controlling a cargo flight they are subject to less strict rest rules?

Republicans fault

Aviation field these days... Sigh!

More rest, training, etc are helpful, but alone isn't enough. Should be more spacing between aircraft during takeoffs and landings. Airports don't want to build more runways, but comes with a tradeoff of safety. Seems luck is about to run out unless there are procedural changes too. Tech alone won't fix this.

I wonder why it's such a problem now? Does the SARS-COV-2 pandemic have something to do with this? 🛡️Please Lord, get control of this issue for the safety of all flyers who trust their lives to these people. Thank you. Amen.🕊️🛡️

can I get the @ of the guy in back at 0:54

Cannibals won't be allowed

This won't save lives

After the guy fell asleep at DCA in 2011, the agency said they were eliminating the quick turn, where the controller worked 3-11 and then had to be back at 7am the next day. They said you had to have 9 hours off. They were also supposed to eliminate the rattler schedule. It wasn’t 5 minutes before the controllers union NATCA was trying to get the same schedule back. FAA management looks the other way because they are afraid of the union and political power to get congress on their side because they donate money big time. This is why government employees shouldn’t have a union. Government employees are treated well and have no need to have political activity.

Maybe relax the rules about people with ADHD on a medical not being able to take any medications. You'll get a lot of applications.

If the government and the FAA didn’t make controllers retire at 56 they would have plenty of people! The union wants this because they want to keep younger people. Age has no affect on this job. Controllers should have the option to retire at 56 not be forced! I have seen controllers who came back from the strike settlement who were in their mid to late 60’s do the job as well as todays youth!! With no errors and a 15 year break in the career.

DEI

COVID brain … Enjoy the ride!! 🤣🤣

If you're incompetent it doesn't matter how rested you are. Isn't the first rule of ATC being sure aircraft do not cross active runways while another plane is taking off on the same runway? This is about as stupid as it gets. You have one job to do and you better do it 100%. Don't expect anyone to get fired. Perhaps sensitivity training is in order.

Mandatory diversity hirings are the cause of near accidents like this. Hire based on skill not to check a box for woke agendas.

Fake news, controllers arent overworked and under staffed Its obviously dei playing a role in this

And which party always wants to underfund or defund very necessary government functions like Air Traffic Control? For those who are not pilots and have never experienced ATC first hand, you are missing out on understanding why our domestic aviation industry is so safe. Our controllers are overwhelmingly professional and careful doing what at times is the most fast paced and demanding job. Listen to some of the many, many recordings on UKposts of controllers at many airports, but especially high volume airports like LAX, JFK, ORD, ATL, and LGA to get an understanding of their at times uber stressful jobs and just how unruffled and professional these folks are, especially at times when there are emergencies. Then consider how well you would do in the same situations. The next time you step onto a commercial flight, know you are not alone. Throughout every stage of that flight the Pilot in Command and Co-Pilot are communicating with enroute Air Traffic Control, tower, and ground controllers. It is a team effort on every commercial flight for our safety and comfort. And if you are not yet a pilot, go to a local airport and at least take one demo flight or sign up for your pilot training. Nothing like your first solo landing.

The AA thing reminds me of the Soviet plane taken down by the captain’s teenager who he let sit in his seat and pretend to steer

Typical government, reactive instead of proactive