The ironic thing is Turning Red wasn’t released in theaters. The parents could just turn off the TV

After watching this, I'm still as confused as ever as to why Boss Baby was nominated for best animated movie while A Silent Voice came out the same year and got zero recognition...

My wife and I say the same things about rotten tomatoes scores. If it has a good critic score but an awful audience score then it’s probably technically well made but boring or a slog to get through. If it has a bad critic score and a good audience score it’s probably a bit less technically well made but is definitely crazy fun (fun bc it’s so bad or fun bc it’s over the top) We’d rather see an audience score movie than a critic movie bc at least we know it’ll be fun.

For me, it’s simple. I ignore ALL critics, ALL UKpostsrs, all anybody until AFTER I see it for myself (if I’m even interested in it in the first place), and can form my own opinion. Only then, is it fun for me to check out the reviews retroactively to determine who does or doesn’t agree with MY opinion. Not the other way around.

The real question is why they removed the audience score of Peter Pan & Wendy. It was so bad that they didn't want you to know how bad it is.

I like someone as huge as Matpat mentioning Pointless hub, Jeremy Jahns, Chris Stuckman, Moist critical or Cosmonaut. It’s nice knowing dope creators fw other dope creators

Not a critic, but I sympathize with them. When viewing any art I am constantly thinking, "What are they trying to say?" The problem is, some movies aren't trying to say anything more than "Hey! Look at me!"

i cannot sing Schaffrillias Productions enough praises as a media review, he’s so incredibly insightful

I quote Shigeru Miyamoto himself: “While many foreign critics have given the movie relatively low ratings, I think that also contributed to the movie’s notoriety and buzz.”

The critic score is looking at movies as art, while the audience score looks at movies as entertainment. It's like the difference between a restaurant critic's opinion of a Michelin Star dining experience vs ReviewBrah telling us whether a new fast food is worth trying or skipping. Both are useful, but they're serving different purposes.

The thing about Turning Red was that the demographic was more targeted than most Pixar movies. My daughter is 9, this movie was her jam. She sometimes goes nuts, randomly yelling parts of it out. None of the boys she knows watched the movie. I know so many little girls who loved this coming of age story tailored to them.

This actually isn't a new problem. I've noticed this issue even back in the 90's before internet reviews were even a thing. Reviews for movies that were widely popular among audiences were terrible and reviews for movies audiences hated were great. I even researched all the way back to the 1940's and found that trend has ALWAYS been a thing. The real answer to why this is a problem is because reviewers are essentially just people giving their personal opinions on something just like everyone else, the only difference is they're getting paid to tell other people what their opinion is. It's really an industry that never should have existed because the pool of opinions is so much smaller than the average movie goer there always was and always will be a huge difference in opinions. Plus really the only person who can tell you if your going to like a movie or not is YOU. A close friend or family member is going to do a better job reviewing a movie and deciding to recommend it or not based on other similar movies they already know you like but a random stranger recommending a movie doesn't know anything about you, why should their opinion matter to you? Even people who know me and the kinds of movies I like have reccomended some terrible ones completly misunderstanding what it is I like about the movies I watch. Oh you like the Terminator, you should watch the Matrix, it's also a man vs. Machine sci fi story. Nope just cause I like one man vs machine sci fi doesn't mean I'll like another. Oh you like Blade, lets watch Twilight. Nope those are not Vampires! Oh you like Comedies, here's an Adam Sandler movie, sorry I don't really find him that funny. When we're talking about a reviewer who is a total stranger to me the recommendations are going to be even worse cause they obviously wouldn't even have a sense for what kind of movies I do like and will give Jim Carrey films really low ratings even though I love his movies, even the "bad ones" like the Cable Guy. The issue has only gotten worse with the internet as a lot of reviews are given without ever actually having seen the movie in the first place. I have literally seen comments from people who admitted they never watched a movie or TV show but still posted a review of it making up things to hate about something they never watched. I've also noticed other people copy and paste comments from other reviews as their own totally unaware that they're spreading misinformation because the original source they copied from never actually saw the thing they reviewed. I watched it happen multiple times and information spreads so quickly online that opinions end up being taken as fact.

We love cinema therapy. It’s both a film production analysis as well as character analysis from the POV of a psychologist analysing the characters’ mental states etc

The whole video, the thing that stuck out most to me was how Mario's critic score was VERY SUSPICIOUSLY just 1% below "Fresh" and I'm glad you eventually called that out. You might say it's conspiracy-ish, but I think faked conflict is a huge marketing driver for the studios, and manipulating score outcomes is so easy to do. You don't even have to lie, just engage in the right amount of selection bias and everything falls their way. Whether that way is rotten or fresh doesn't matter, so long as the discrepencey is created.

Thank you so much Matpat for showing off so many UKposts movie reviewers, they’re some of my favorite videos to watch and see how others think about movies I love

I guess what I've learned from this video, is that rotten tomato scores are for how creative and unique a movie is, while the audience score is the overall liking people had for a film.

Whilst it was kinda covered in the video, it's important to note that when a critic reviews a movie, they watched as part of their job, not just casually, and aren't necessarily fans of the source material if it's from a previously established franchise. Also, the audience score isn't comprised of everyone, but specifically people who: 1) Decided to watch the movie, meaning they are likely part of the movie's demographic, including fans of the potential source material. 2) Are people who watched it, and then bothered making a review of it on Rotten Tomatoes.

When it comes to reviewers, my two favorites are Saberspark and Schaffrillas Productions. They mostly review animated movies/shows, but I respect their opinions since they not only break down what they review into different aspects like animation, story, acting, etc., but also look at it from both their own personal tastes as well as from a general audience's point of view.

I loved the fact that you gave a shout out to YT reviewers, as that’s actually where I’ve gotten my critic perspective from for years now! Sometimes I don’t always agree with them, but I like getting the differing perspectives! Especially as a filmmaker myself (animation college major). Finding the right critics that speak to you but also might not always agree with you is a healthy way to engage with differing perspectives and criticism. It’s healthy to see different perspectives and why others might think that way, but also acknowledge that it being different from your perspective doesn’t make your opinion any less valid. It’s what I love about art, it’s all subjective at the end of the day. Anyways, great video MatPat! I really appreciated all the points you made!

I love how MatPat can't just realize that the critics are paid

One of the worst things i ever did was learn about plot structure and character development. I have such a hard time watching stuff now because i am looking for those elements. I imagine the critics are the same way.

Reminds me of old footage I saw on UKposts of people lining up outside theaters in the 80s being interviewed. Interviewer: So, what are your expectations? Fan: It's gonna be great! Interviewer: Really? But the critics are panning it. Fan: Pfft, what do they know? The movie in question? This little flick you might've heard of called "The Empire Strikes Back".

Sean Chandler is my personal favourite critic. I almost always agree with his scores and he makes videos on basically all the franchises I like, plus so much more. Top tier guy.

I love your videos! They just don’t feel like watching a normal boring UKposts video like it’s so interesting and entertaining naturally

My personal favorite way to use rotten tomatoes is finding one or two critics you like, you can check any critics profile instead of the movies page and it will show which score they gave alongside the full comment

Schaffrillas productions and Filmento are probably my favourite youtube movie reviewers since there's a decent mix of critic and casual watcher perspectives with both of them.

If critics want a really deep and truly meaningful movie, then Bionicle 3 is perfect for them

My theory is that critics want a film to have a message that reaffirms their own beliefs about the world around them. Meanwhile the general audience wants to forget the world around them. That's why films that won't touch current events with a 10 foot pole tend to do better with audiences and worse with critics.

Thank you for covering this! The review system has been so unreliable and it makes it impossible to be sure about how a movie really is…

I really like Alex Meyers and Saberspark. Alex is really funny, and he keeps his opinions pretty simple, so they're easy to understand. And Saber also keeps things pretty simple, while also making sure to explain why he did or didn't like something about a movie

I think Mat saw the same showing of Cats that Page 7 went to. Meowing at the screen, even the Taylor Swift girl.

I feel like the critic score and the audience score is looking at movies in a different way that are sometimes good or bad and amazing video man :]

I absolutely love Cinema Therapy. You have an actual filmmaker in Alan who delves into the filmmaking aspect, and then they usually review movies that give life lessons or deal with family issues because of Jonathan who is a family therapist, so between the two of them you really get a good idea of what makes a movie good, and how you can actually learn from them, or just watch them enjoy it and cry if it makes them sad.

I always try to look at a piece of media with one (well, two-in-one) main question: what is it trying to do and does it succeed? Even shoestring-budget found footage can be entertaining if a filmmaker knows this and leans into it. I thought The SMB Movie achieved what it was trying to do and was a fun time, and I was not disappointed

I want to personally thank MatPat because before this video I didn’t understand Rotton Tomatoes and the percentage systems but watching this video now I understand, MatPat truly is a teacher ✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻

I saw one critic's review that princess Peach wasn't a boss girl enough and that the movie should've centered around her. 🤣 Just see what happened to the new Peter Pan movie, everyone hated it.

Your analysis is spot on. I'm an amateur critic. I've been co-hosting a movie review podcast for over a decade and your description of what critics like and dislike fits me and my co-host perfectly. And it's exactly because we have to find things to say about a different movie every week. When you consume a particular kind of media that frequently and attentively, you naturally seek novelty. Both so you can find something interesting to say about it and to avoid boredom.

Bro you have truly opened my eyes so many times I will always be here for you

I appreciate you and your team's work. Love these Theories!

the critic smear campaign of Alita Battle Angel instantly comes to mind. that year was a total mess for rotten tomatoes overall and started to expose the inner workings of the site

MatPat shouting out Dan Murrell was not something I expected but I'm happy to see it

Watch and seeing his face again feels so good😢

Mat youre chaotic 😂😂 that nugget at the end actually made me giggle

A wonderful reviewer for me is Filmento, he is not just giving an opinion or calling out a mistake or mistep, but giving lessons and good analogies of what could you do if you want to do a movie, avoiding all the misteps, or narrative issues that many ones have

Y’know I always wondered how these critic score disparities happen! But that 59% conspiracy idea is something else… 👀

I really hope that this will be the case with Elemental. I’m really excited for the movie, and I want it to succeed. The critics saw the film at the end of a very prestigious film festival, so it’s natural for it to be deemed not as high by default in my opinion. So hopefully it does well!

Tbh most of the critics were justified in their review of the Mario Movie, because giving an honest review of movies is their job. Also, at the end of the day, reviewers have an equal right to display their opinions as us regular viewers do. Also it’s absolutely pathetic if anyone actually gets emotionally touched by an individual’s opinion on a piece of entertainment.

The gap between seeing a movie as art and as an enterteiment will be forever present in popular culture, not only in movies but in anything ever made in general

What made me really like the Mario movie was hearing the kids in the audience cheer, gasp and laugh. Not many movies do that anymore

Even people who are perfectionists, tend to be a bit of a critic, while also trying to make something perfect. I tend to be a bit of a perfectionist; but I also understand that not EVERYTHING has to a perfect film or adaptation.

Funny thing, another film that critics liked while audiences didn't was sausage party.

The reality of modern critics vs modern audiences is that critics are mainly just paid by major media to help push a narrative while audiences are usually just asking themselves " did I have fun and enjoy watching this movie"

Dan Murrell is honestly one of the best movie reviewers around. Even if you don't agree with him, you completely get why he did or did not like something and he explains to the best of his abilities why it is he feels that way. He understands the audiences that films are targeting. He breaks down demographics for who and who isn't watching film. He will acknowledge when he gets information wrong or makes statements without all the facts. I loved him at Screen Junkies/Fandom and I still love him now that he's gone independent.

I knew this came out and waited to see the movie myself before seeing the theory, and then went to game theory first to find it 😭

Schaffrilas is a yt movie critic that i recommend, hes very fun but knows what he likes and why and has good explanations to back up his opinions

One of my favourite movie and TV reviewers is a guy called Alex Myers. He does a whole range of things but mostly kids to teen films. He is really funny and engaging like matpat and I can not stop watching him. I would not say he does a real big deep dive into the movie or anything but it is worth checking out anyway =)

I think in general critics try to rate how good a movie is while the audience rates based on how enjoyable it is.

Fav top critics: Red Letter Media, Double Toasted. They know comedy and funny is half the battle. 🌠

Now I want to game theory on what the divide between game critics and gamers are

The problem with "negative" reviews on Rotten Tomatoes is that it could also refer to mixed thoughts.

Bruh, the Mario movie was the date night movie for the last date I went on, we both had a wonderful time and it was really fun getting each other's reactions, exchanging Easter eggs we noticed and just overall experiencing that wonderful movie together, totally recommend

I really enjoy the conversations about movies from caravan of garbage / the weekly planet (same people) they give enough information prior to know if I'm rushing to watch something and give good behind the scenes and trivia stuff if I've watched something already

Great video as always man. I now feel like I should get into movie critiquing.

Love how Matpats intentionally didn't spoil anything I already saw the movie and it's amazing but it's just nice to see he didn't spoil it for anyone who hasn't

High boi is honestly one of the most insightful and intelligent movie critic EVER. His takes are very interesting and mind blowing. Each of them just puts me in a new perspective every time. I'd rate that guy 7 peanut butter dog out of 11 weekly hospital trips

One thing I don’t hear in these discussions: Audiences only review movies they want to see. Every audience member who reviewed Mario is one who wanted to see a Mario movie enough to put their own money down. Maybe it was nostalgia. Maybe they were fans of the game. But they were invested in that property enough to spend $20 - $80 and a precious free evening to go. The audience members who balked at the idea of an Italian stereotype plumber kicking turtles didn’t see the movie, didn’t review the movie, and therefore aren’t counted in the audience score. Critics just have to go no matter how much they hate the idea. Will all audiences love Fast and the Furious? No. But the Audience Score isn’t all audiences. It’s only those people who thought they would love it. The critic score actually is all critics including the ones that wouldn’t have bought a ticket in a million years.

I usually don't listen to critics or audience. If something interests me, I go see it, if not, I don't.

personally i really love Schaffrillas Productions. he is so funny, very real, and just reminds you of your everydsy guy who just has a deep passion for animation as a whole

One point you might have missed is the audience sometimes has a protest vote (The Last Jedi) or an ironic comedy vote (Morbius) which can skew things even further.

He has become the critic of the Critics

I was surprised this film came FROM Illumination Studios as their movies are adequate at best. No one rewatches Dispicable Me like they rewatch Megamind.

When it comes to animated movies saberspark has got to be my favorite. He mentions all the important parts on the film like the animation, plot, voice acting and so on.

I love watching cinema therapy! They talk through plots and relationships and stuff in movies and it's fun to hear their opinions

Honestly I really connect with the idea of finding a critic that fits your same style of films. I watch 3C films all the time because I connect to him and usually agree with him over movies I've already watched and now trust his judgement on new movies.

i love how the theorist team used a stock photo of my local century theatre in Cedar Hills, OR.

MatPat: “Classics like Lord of the Rings, Gladiator, and The Matrix” My Dad from across the room: “I’m so old! Aghhh!”

Schaff is my go-to for any animated movie or literally anything that disney owns. I also used to watch 24 frames of Nick a lot and he does coverage of a lot more movies than schaff but he can be a little much. However i would recommend either of those channels.

THE MARIO PHONE THAT TALKS TO YOU IS HORRIFYING AND I LOVE IT

this is such a great and informative video!! probably one of my fav film theory videos

Reel School - this guy knows his stuff and goes deep. He manages to get some behind the scenes info and even interviews people involved. He never built up much traction, but was my go-to film reviewer. I just saw Mario in theatres today with my 2 young kids, the score had me nostalgic, and the kids had fun - I also managed to spot some easter eggs. Thumbs up all around.

Schaffrillas Productions is one of my favorite youtube channels of all time. He makes great movie reviews that are hilarious and provide perspective. Definitely recommend

I honestly think Mario is a solid 8/10, it does go a bit too much on nostalgia bait at times and the story is lacking but it's a good movie overall. I don't understand the people that think a movie without a strong story can be a 10/10 movie, a weak story should push it down at least a point.

When I went to watch the Mario movie there was a kid sitting next to me and we were just nerding the entire time, talking about all the little details, and it was so fun.

The movie industry has been that way since a long time. It’s only now we just realized that.

Happy 12M, Film Theory! I've been a fan of the channel since its first month launched (even before I know Game Theory existed!), and this is a massive milestone! Keep up the incredible work, Team Theorist!

7:27 thank you someone finally says it. Every restaurant I work at wants to categorize mushrooms as vegetables. A category that mushrooms do not belong in.

I like the guys who do a review in the context of therapy one is a therapist the other needs therapy but the films are able to give a problem a focus for them

Wow, Ratatouille really did portray what a modern critic is like and how you lose the joy and love of why you became a critic in the first place.

He's not a film reviewer but thank you for giving SkillUp some shine because personally I think he knows how to strip a game down to the boards and examine everything, and his Mario Bros movie review I thought was on point.

11:58 Fun fact: Turning Red isn’t the first (or last) time Disney talked about “That time of the month.” That honor actually goes to 1946’s The Story Of Menstruation. Yep, Disney was talking about lady parts all the way back in the 40’s.

Mauler is the critic that helped me understand what makes for good storytelling.

As a movie theatre employee we were expecting this and so were our companies projections. Easily biggest of the year so far

Can’t believe he talked about the divide between critics and audience scores and didn’t mention cuties, by far the biggest divide in scores with critics scores being 87% and audiences being 15%,THATS A 72% DIFFERENCE, it’s also why I focus audience scores over critic scores ever since

You can pretty much put a movie in the good category when the critic scores are low.

And now months later after he made this very compelling video we find out that rotten tomato has been taking bribes from movie studios together movie a positive score

I think with Turning Red, it resonated more with a smaller audience, mainly like asians and teens that had roughly similar experiences or similar elements. I enjoyed it a lot but I'm definitely not surprised it didn't go very well for others.

My favorite part was when matpat said “it’s reviewing time” and reviewed all over film theory

The movie being for kids isnt an excuse for the movie being the cinematic equivalent of jangling keys at your kids for 80 minutes.

Matpat, my buddy, THANK YOU SO MUCH for talking about the Venom movie. I went and saw it with a friend and my parents when it came out originally, and my parents originally didn't want to go. Of course, there were a lot of different factors involved, but one of the main reasons was the critic reviews. Honestly, I was a fan of venom from the original comics, and I had a blast! The moster lovers were definitely a big part of the reviews methinks, but it had enough action to intrigue the average marvel fan, and Tom Hardy really put his all into it.

12:19 okay but as someone who DEFINITELY isn't a critic, I liked that they touched on this idea in the movie! It's a coming of age movie, an allegory of a girl getting her first period and going through puberty, makes sense that the subject of periods and pads comes up. I think it's good for movies/TV shows to touch on something that every girl goes through at some point in their life. Maybe it's because I'm 22 now and periods are just another things going on in my life every month, but I don't get why people seemed so up in arms and angry about pads being mentioned. Periods are normal and natural thing for girls, and should be treated as such, especially when a girl has one for the first time, obviously.