Radical, Cheap, BANNED! | Did The UCI Ruin Road Bikes Forever?
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День томуSi & Ollie are back for another edition of retro vs modern, this time riding the Giant MCR, a road bike so forward-thinking it was banned by the UCI. With a carbon monocoque frame design, it was the original mass-produced aero road bike back in 1997. We pitted it against a modern Pinarello F to find out just how fast this retro aero machine is compared to today’s engineering!
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@gcn Рік тому
Which of these bikes would you rather ride? 🚲👇
@hisdadjames4876 Рік тому
Whichever is the more efficient! I actually support the UCI policy on accessibility of bikes, but if this particular box-frame design can be mass produced cost-effectively (as Giant seem to have demonstrated) I dont see why it should be banned. 🤔It’s still recognisably a bicycle, with two wheels, pedals, handlebar and a seat. What’s the problem? Why such loyalty to the double triangle frame shape….itself a radical innovation in its day?🤷♂️
@oscarcantu2642 Рік тому
For me it would be the Giant MCR. I could walk into a store one day and purchase a Pinarello F and I know I wouldn't regret it. I could ride the MCR and have a blast with it; but there's no way I could ever find one to purchase.
@goingtothefifty Рік тому
Giant MCR all the way
@NelsonZornitta Рік тому
The Giant for sure.
@obikedog Рік тому
If I'm racing any distance and want to win - the Pinarello, no question. If I want to strike up conversation at the pub/cafe a few blocks away - the Giant.
@andrewmcalister3462 Рік тому
4:10 Not only is Stuart incredibly generous in making his bike available for GCN to test, he's an awesome starter as well.
@alinapopescu872 Рік тому
My thoughts exactly!
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
Not a big speaking part… beep, beep, beep, beeeeep!
@percyveer2355 Рік тому
@@StuartMossTV but you nailed it!
@joeuser2360 Рік тому
Plus Stuart let them fiddle around with the wheels on the side of the road. Probably not part of the original bargain.
@andrewmcalister3462 Рік тому
@Stuart Moss You're too modest Stuart. I saw your interview with Ollie in the other video - definitely a speaking part.
@alexflorance1111 Рік тому
Mike Burrows was to thank for pretty much every significant and radical bike design which actually revolutionised bike development. Lotus 108, 110, giant MCR, Giant TCR etc. What a hero, rest in peace
@1155727 Рік тому
Isn't that a bit of an exaggerated claim? Some of the most significant big changes in bike design that have stuck until today happened before Mike Burrows was born...
@tinawoollings8223 Рік тому
8 L) p
@chrisstrider Рік тому
I remember these were popular for Triathlons at the time
@davehause8571 Рік тому
Giant TCR sucked.
@JonCannings Рік тому
@@StuartMossTVhe was a great guy
@southernxc90 Рік тому
It would be interesting to take an older bike design like this and add modern components, including cockpit and controls to make them more equivalent.
@donryan9390 Рік тому
Isn't that what cases have done in triathlon
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
We did a bit of updating by changing the wheels and shifters. But you’re right there is more that could be updated.
@jameslee-pevenhull5087 Рік тому
Kirk. Moulton, RSW. 'F' frame.
@somadoublecrossrdr Рік тому
I suspect the pinarello fork plays a significant part in the aerodynamic efficiency difference.
@darthjohn0 Рік тому
The new Cadex triathlon bike uses the same basic frame concept (i.e. no top tube, oversized down tube) and integrates recent design innovations, like oversized bladed forks.
@jespernohr Рік тому
That Giant looked amazing with the deep section wheels!
@markjthomson Рік тому
Really made the bike! Yes indeed.
@Gribbo9999 Рік тому
That's not as new as you think. It was around when I was a kid and I'm 73. Still funny though!
@gcn Рік тому
It's not a bad looking bike is it! 🙌 Do you wish modern bikes looked like this?
@jespernohr Рік тому
@@gcn nah I prefer the classic triangle 🤓
@douglaspate9314 Рік тому
YES!
@manfrommontreal Рік тому
Ollie's track stand remains truly impressive, incredible balance.
@davehause8571 Рік тому
You can learn it too. It's really not that hard. Give it a try.
@gcn Рік тому
He's starting to show off now! Maybe it's time for a new Track stand challenge? 👀
@manfrommontreal Рік тому
@@gcn how many likes will it cost? Is here some British champion in track standing he can compete against?
@andikapuutraa Рік тому
@@gcn big yes
@douglaspate9314 Рік тому
True!
@pierrec8563 Рік тому
4:51 This engineering piece was sold £4,000 of today. Now you understand how manufacturers scam us by selling us their £8,000 bikes.
@bustex1 Рік тому
Lol 4k in US in 1997 would be 7500 today with inflation.
@Thuky1 Рік тому
Did you listen to that part of the video? It was GBP 2000 back then and GBP 4000 today when adjusting for inflation.
@BreakawayB Рік тому
One of the best parts of reviewing “futuristic bike” decades later is seeing which designs aged surprisingly well and which designs fell off the grid.
@gcn Рік тому
Where does this one fit? 👀 Perhaps TT bikes have lean't a lot from this one?
@CatManDoSocial Рік тому
Nice to see the guys having quite a bit of fun in this video. Si and Ollie are a good team.
@gcn Рік тому
A day spent riding fancy bikes and nerding out! Ollie and Si were in their element🙌 What bike should these two take a look at next? 👀
@douglaspate9314 Рік тому
I loved seeing Si's reaction to Ollie's banter
@mlafleurhua Рік тому
A modern version of this style of bike, i.e. with modern carbon layup and tube geometry, coupled with modern components, would be killer in the marketplace. It looks timeless, can be engineered for comfort and performance and is distinctive. You could also argue they could build it to be lower cost and more durable than current superbikes.
@gcn Рік тому
How about the modern Cadex bike? This could be what you've been looking for 👉 ukposts.info/have/v-deo/faKKrqCto6iUs2w.html
@remyvermunt8623 Рік тому
for recreational bikers: who cares about UCI? not me!!!!
@mahonah Рік тому
I'm always impressed with the back and forth banter between presenters for GCN, GMBN, EMBN and GTN, and am genuinely wondering if any or all of it is ever scripted. With the reactions in this video between Si and Ollie it would seem that you all really do this off the cuff. Impressive. Keep up the wonderfully entertaining and informative work.
@gcn Рік тому
Great to hear that you are loving our presenters! 🙌 Would you like to see more behind the scenes content from us? 👀 We can't release all our secret's obviously 😂
@morosis82 Рік тому
From other channels I watch that are similar, it's a little of column a and a bit of column b. Great teams script the content but give the latitude to the presenters to adlib as creativity allows.
Рік тому
And there are spanish language versions as well
@mattwake7230 Рік тому
Ollie's mission to bring English slang to a wider audience is gathering momentum. "What'shischops". Love it.
@andreaspfeffer3294 Рік тому
Si and Ollie is just the best combo there is😂
@gcn Рік тому
They feed off each others nerdy-ness 🤓
@duncanmacphee200 Рік тому
I remember back in 98/99, seeing the Giant MCR in a Reading bike shop. Even now it would be radically futuristic.
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
Love this comment. Just image if the drivetrain was integrated and the design was single-sided.
@gcn Рік тому
What a bike to spot in a shop! 👀 Were you temped to pull the plug and purchase one?
@duncanmacphee200 Рік тому
@@gcn Sadly, I was fresh out of college, so money was tight… but not so tight as I did buy the red TCR model. It was such a beautiful bike but, oh my word, the stem was truly awful. It flexed SO much that it was very disconcerting on descents. The carbon-spoked wheels and aero seatpost looked the business though.
@michaelfoster4885 Рік тому
Judging by Ollie's cycling pants he was very excited about the giant today! 🙈🙊
@WhatxKeepsxUsxHere Рік тому
10:20
@mrwolf00001 Рік тому
I was about to say the same thing 😂
@oscarcantu2642 Рік тому
I think it would be perfect if you could upgrade certain things on the Giant bike like a modern Shimano group set that would fit, aero monocoque handlebars, aero wheels with awesome Vittoria tires. I think the race between the Giant and the Pinarello F would be closer and quite possibly the Giant would win. Make it happen GCN.
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
I’d be up for that 👍
@oscarcantu2642 Рік тому
@@StuartMossTV Thank you for the reply Mr. Moss! what a marvel of a machine you own sir. We all appreciate you bringing it out and showing us what 90s innovative engineering is capable of against modern engineered super bikes.
@gcn Рік тому
Interesting! Very interesting! We'll see what we can do 👀 How close do you think the race would be?
@oscarcantu2642 Рік тому
@@gcn The Giant MCR with the upgrades will win by 4 seconds on that same testing ground.
@seal1mas Рік тому
@@gcn a Bee's dick close, thats how close its gonna bee!
@TC-hl1ws Рік тому
To this day I still have two of these MCR's. This bike looks amazing paired with the old Specialized trispoke wheels.
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
Great minds think alike I also have a pair of those wheels for it.
@gcn Рік тому
Nice one! Do you still take it for a spin? 👀
@TC-hl1ws Рік тому
@@gcn Yes. When I do, I have many curious people that ask questions about the bike. It's not a nice bike to ride in crosswinds, especially when paired with the Specialized trispokes.
@Seppster58 Рік тому
Ollie's new catch phase "What's-his-chops" made me smile. Love the video guys.
@KenSmith-bv4si Рік тому
Just think how light and aero an MCR would be today, I bet Giant could make one lighter then the S-Works Atheos. Tankx Stuart for showing us your really cool Giant MCR, awesome bike.
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
No problem 👍
@gcn Рік тому
It's a super cool bike isn't it! Do you want to see Giant bing this bike back? 🔎
@hermannk.1527 Рік тому
@@gcn it looks like an older version of the cadex TT from Blumenfeldt
@Hill_Walker Рік тому
Manufacturers hold the blame for me, no one's forcing them to only make UCI approved road bikes that aren't TT.
@kidShibuya Рік тому
Well actually youtubers are. Almost all of them complain about anything that isn't the "classic" design, so consumers are going to be told anything different is rubbish. Its tough to sell a bike when all reviews are negative.
@jasonjohnson9072 Рік тому
Market pressure does bro. People don’t buy what the pros don’t ride. You have the economy backwards. Consumers drive everything.
@happydays8171 Рік тому
Early Specialized SHIVs weren't UCI legal and sold well. Cervelo P5X doesn't meet UCI standards and sells. How many consumers are going to actually race at a UCI sanctioned event?
@JohnR31415 Рік тому
@@jasonjohnson9072consumers have no choice because no manufacturer does anything interesting.
@markbooth6745 Рік тому
So true, manufacturer's are to blame. It's gone mad, and the cost. They take the piss. There killing the sport we love.£££££££££££££££££££££££$$$$$$$$$$
@-P-Z- Рік тому
Ollie had several brilliant remarks during in first half of the vid. Love such witty approach.
@FlatSpinMan Рік тому
He was hilarious. The description of the infamous Cotswolds and the bit about the segment remade me laugh nearly as much as Si did.
@bennetthasty7886 Рік тому
I love this story & I would say the times are close enough that IF the MCR was the standard in the late 90s then bikes today would be even MORE optimized than they are already
@matthewpeet1 Рік тому
Great video: the tech , the banter and the (re-)opening of interesting ideas for the future of cycling. Inspirational!
@birkaster Рік тому
It'd be interesting to see a triathlon bike kitted with a road handlebar/wheels/settings versus the F
@matthiaswuest7271 Рік тому
Ngl that bike looks pretty sick with the deep section rims 👀
@PtWhiteBelt Рік тому
I remember opening the Giant catalog on my local bike shop and seeing this. Immediately started daydreaming. Absolutely gorgeous. Then again I was always into futuristic bikes and LOVED the Lotuses.
@gcn Рік тому
This bike stands out even now... it looked great back in the day 🙌 Do you think this could be the future of bike design? Should we be pushing the boat out more? 👀
@PtWhiteBelt Рік тому
@@gcn unless it's a triathlon-specialist manufacturer, there isn't a market. Unfortunately.
@marcelschlebos3975 Рік тому
With the deep wheels the giant was pretty nice looking. SUPER NICE
@gcn Рік тому
Should we upload it to the bike vault? 👀
@Frostbiker Рік тому
The sound, camera work and editing are consistently spectacular. With all respect, they are so much better here than in GCN en Español.
@gcn Рік тому
Hi David, great to hear that you enjoyed this video. Can you let us know what you loved so much? We would be happy to provide feedback to our Spanish team, we are always looking to up our game 🙌
@Frostbiker Рік тому
@@gcn The studio in GCN Español has pretty bad reverb (e.g. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/g6d6g4JunG2jmZs.html). As for the camera work, while British GCN will occasionally zoom in during a shot for effect (in post), in GCN Español the zooming on outdoor shots is much more frequent and awkward. It seems to me like the shots are not well prepared in advance and the camera person is tweaking the composition on the go. The camera also wanders around a lot -- either missing a tripod or a steadycam. E.g. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/e3NkqpygkadozXU.html My humble suggestion would be to have a couple of folks from headquarters review the production of a few videos and provide feedback on what they would do differently.
@douglaspate9314 Рік тому
True y verdad!
@rg31404 Рік тому
An idea might also be to market a non UCI compliant bike for the Strava Segment crowd, because while many aren't in official races a far greater number of riders are active in getting higher on the Strava rankings, and they can ride whatever they want doing so.
@scu83 Рік тому
And the huge downtube is perfect for the battery.
@gcn Рік тому
You don't happen to work to work in marketing do you? That could be a great idea! Do you think there is a growing market to competitive cycling outside of UCI racing? 👀
@philipk4475 Рік тому
They're called triathlon bikes
@cjeam9199 Рік тому
@@philipk4475 I believe they’re called faired recumbents for sheer straight-line speed
@SRK5227 Рік тому
The Giant bike looks absolutely wicked with the deep section tires. Clearly, the design needs some updating, but why not? If the bike can be made to come in sub 8 kg with significant aero benefits, it could be a winner. I would certainly consider it. "Faster than UCI legal" That's the pitch. Also, if it is cheaper to manufacture and could save, say, $500 compared to a comparable bike, that too would be a selling proposition. So, no need to be shy. Do an update and see if you can make a better bike.
@WebbRacingdotcom Рік тому
After watching both videos about the MCR, I'm inspired to knock the dust off of mine and give it a go. Thanks for giving this amazing bike the attention it deserves.
@mr.forbes7300 10 місяців тому
Your description of the Cotswolds at 2:47 was priceless !
@jamiegolden7093 Рік тому
I remember when MCR was out. It was way outside my budget. Its badassness has held up magnificently!
@ASGundogs Рік тому
Chuffing hilarious from start to finish 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Great video 🎉
@artist-teacher Рік тому
Really enjoying this comparison series. Thank-you.
@trevejenkyn9888 Рік тому
Once again and really nice video really enjoyed it thanks you
@Sttuey Рік тому
I owned a MCR as a TT bike back in the late 90s. It had Corima carbon wheels on Atlanta Golds, 650c front and an MDT single front 65t ring with middleburn cranks. To this day I've not been quicker, my best 25 was 53.45 and for fun I dusted it off a few years ago to try in an event - it felt so slow and I came nowhere near to my pb. I'm also only 160cm! There's something about racing 25 years ago that's different today. maybe being 20 years older 😬
@the318pop Рік тому
Ooh, Atlanta Golds! I had a pair on a Hed disc and an ultra rare 28 inch FIR trispoke. Oh, and my bike was yellow. Even my flite saddle was yellow.
@gcn Рік тому
That sounds like one sweet bike! Have you ever though about putting it on the bike vault! our community of bike nerds would love to see it 👉 gcn.eu/app
@briandonovan1725 Рік тому
Can you give that frame an upgrade to all modern components so we can see the effect on time that is strictly limited to the frame?
@gcn Рік тому
Lot's of requests for this! This bike could look real special with some modern parts on it 🙌
@bimblingalong Рік тому
if that Giant with the deep section wheels isn't the most 'superniced bike of the week' there is no justice in the world!
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
What a nice thought 😃
@adamrudling1339 Рік тому
@@StuartMossTV supernice thought
@Evilc47 Рік тому
Another great video. I was really excited to see this amazing bike. Judging by the stain on Ollie's tights, he was even more excited.
@emiljarengrim2536 Рік тому
9:44 "It's a two-hand". Just love that Ollie refuse to let even Si think he's weak! Although I was a bit worried Ollie would drop the bike as he is now a dropper!
@opliko Рік тому
Right lol 9.6kg is only 21lbs xD what guy can't curl 20lbs
@keiththewheelman Рік тому
I think you should dig up a Zipp 2001 for your next comparison test.
@abfutrell Рік тому
Do a Part 2 with same wheels/tires and matching handlebar width.
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
Can you imagine if it won… team ineos would be in a quandary.
@ChaosBW 7 місяців тому
"a bicycle for the masses" "About $5000 today" Bruh I can't even afford groceries
@FBrodlie Рік тому
Brilliant to see Ollie and Si together in a video. What a team!! More please….
@gcn Рік тому
These two love an opportunity to get nerdy! Did you catch them taking Greg LeMond's Old Bike for a spin? 👉 ukposts.info/have/v-deo/e2ChdX6wn3eZy2g.html
@CJrasp Рік тому
At some point, you guys will have to re-test a recumbent. The original UCI's ToFastForYa ban...
@colinsutherland8965 Рік тому
Yep. On the nail
@drkneesandtoes6312 Рік тому
I think Alex Moulton's small wheel bikes were banned first - when track records started to fall the 16in wheels were deemed 'unfair' and 'too fast'.
@CJrasp Рік тому
@@drkneesandtoes6312 well, since the recumbents were banned in 1934 when Alex Moulton was only 14 I doubt it. But thank you nonetheless, I did not know about Moulton's bike and I had to look it up! Amazing to go this fast on such small bikes.
@ChrisMillerCycling Рік тому
2:35min to 3:40min … absolute gold lads … keep up the personality in presenting, love it!
@JustAnotherHo Рік тому
90s bikes have a special place in my heart. It's when I got into road and track cycling. I would have loved this Giant at the time, still probably would. Now my out of shape and long past competitive cyclist rides a plethora of budget road bikes, vintage 90s Konas, folding bikes and most recently an electric assisted bicycle.
@davidharris1223 Рік тому
Would be very interested in knowing what an old bike frame can do with new parts (of its era) vs new modern components. Are your tests bikes simply showing their age - as all parts slow down over time. Ideally looking at each small component - replacing what item makes the biggest speed difference. Is it BB, the drive train, or the lube that Ollie clearly gets very personal with.
@gattmolson Рік тому
I don't think parts slow down over time, unless they've not been maintained or are worn out. I don't really put much stock in these tests but I would wager 90% of teh speed difference comes from rider position. They ride the modern bike with elbows at close to 90 degree elbows and the old bike with their eblows nearly locked.
@Millicente Рік тому
@@gattmolson did we watch the same video? You’re exaggerating so hard it’s weird
@gcn Рік тому
This sounds like we might need get Ollie to nerd out over this 🤓 Do you think an old frame with modern parts would keep up with today's bikes? It would of course, mean taking an old bike apart and a well maintained retro bike is always nice to see! 🙌
@oneilwolfe407 Рік тому
This is interesting considering the weight difference and close margins. What about getting a more modern compatible groupset aero wheels with Pirelli, aero bars and do another test see what difference that makes. Looks like a lot to gain from that frame design
@ianjolley7457 Рік тому
I have a pristine MCR 2 in original configuration in my collection with 15,000 kms on the computer. It was fast on the flat but didn't like the hills because of its weight. I had it set up for a while in a TT configuration for tri events with full aero bars and rear disc wheels and it was seriously fast. I heard that Giant were doing an FEA weight reduction program when it was banned. I sometimes take it out at Tour Down Under time, park it against a wall and watch the crowd gather around. Love it. People forget that MCR stood for Monocoque Compact Racing and when it came out and the original aluminium TCR stood for Tubular Compact Racing, and not Total Compact Racing as is now supposed.
@Mark-xr2tt Рік тому
Used to have an iridescent purple Trek Y-foil with black trispoke wheels. Really comfortable and a big head turner. Loved that bike.
@brentlewis4570 Рік тому
Ah the trek y-foil. Always wanted one of those. 😍
@simonsepic Рік тому
Personally I think there should be a seperate equally huge competition, where its all about the best aerodynamics possible.
@colinsutherland8965 Рік тому
There is, it's called the HPV (human powered vehicle) and they are all recumbents. But it's a bit like watching paint dry
@simonsepic Рік тому
@@colinsutherland8965 I suppose it jeeds sone rules then ti say they need ti he upright.
@chris1275cc Рік тому
With those "cartwheels" in there it was making my eyes bleed, but with those Visions in and maybe tone the very 90's graphics down a bit I could live with it looks wise. And I suppose unlike many of the the other bikes you guys tested that had a lot of unique geometry that required one-off unobtainable parts, quite a lot of the things Si mentioned could be easily swapped out for modern, light, stiffer, more aerodynamic components, which BTW would make a far more fun and interesting video than sticking the frame in a wind tunnel.
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
The time difference was only 2%. I’m pretty sure if we did change the remaining components to match the Pinarello the times would be significantly different. I would also love to go in a wind tunnel with it though 😃
@johnmorgan9400 Рік тому
I had a set of these wheels in my first ever TT bike, the sound was incredible!!
@mazzochi2028 Рік тому
I once bought a triathlon bike from ebay that came with the wheels from an MCR. Still think they look great, but wish I had an mcr to put them on.
@JonCannings Рік тому
R.I.P Mike Burrows, one of the good guys.
@mmmbetter55 Рік тому
I love you guys. "For the record, I wouldn't be seen dead on a triathlon bike" 🙏🏻 So glad you've taken The Rules to heart.
@shrimo2009 Рік тому
Would love to see this video done again with the aero wheels on and also a smaller modern aero cockpit. Oh and of course a waxed chain.
@dirkumlauffd5313 Рік тому
The video is great. As I'm not in the one percent riding races, I'm preferring a recumbent as my roadbike. A comparison of a recumbent and the Pinarello would be interesting.
@peterleffler2062 Рік тому
I reckon if you could make essentially the same frame but with current carbon fibre technology, with current top end groupset, wheels, tyres and cockpit then you'd have a rocketship 🚀
@sempi8159 Рік тому
Cadex tt bike
@bicyclist2 Рік тому
I much prefer older bikes, with rim brakes, and quick release. I remember the Giant back when it was new. It wasn't "affordable" at all. I would love to own one because of it's unusual and innovative design. Thank you.
@gcn Рік тому
There is something timeless about rim brakes 🙌 Would you much prefer to ride a classic race bike to a modern one? 👀
@kevink2315 Рік тому
After I had done the structural design of the Specialized 3 spoke wheeel in 1990, working for DuPont, I was asked to work with Don Don Grishard and Professor Chester Kyles again on a similar ultra bike without a top tube, like the Giant one shown. On my FEA model, the "torque" tube was so thin, it buckeled under hard riding loads, requiring and internal light bulkhead. Don made a heavy full size version for wind tunnel teasting. The project ended when the UCI required a functional top tube, likely the same time the Giant was banned.
@hotsky83 Рік тому
Both of my favorite presenters in same video! Nice. And good on Simon to call to call out that stain 😆
@two-eyedRoy Рік тому
I don't know why but I half expected Stuart to pull out some flash cards with 'Beep' printed on them and quitely go "This one. Now this one. And this. Finally." Ollie breaking Si with the route stat and then describing when he'll talk tech had me chortling pretty firmly.
@euhm Рік тому
What happend to Ollie's pants? Did a bird shat on them or did he get a bit to exited about that Giant? A guy in my local bike club had a Giant just like this one, but there was an aerodynamic "fearing" over the seatpost/frame junction in carbon. That bike looked so cool. There was also a guy who had the Trek version. Also a late 90's bike. A lot of cool bikes came out of the nineties. Also a lot of cool mtb's, but that's a whole different story/channel :) Edit: I wrote this post before the end of the film, but the question remains, bird-shit or happy juice? I'm not buying the wax thing. :)
@jacob1121 Рік тому
The tucks you could achieve in this bike are insane, just imagine how low your center of gravity could be!
@MarkGovier Рік тому
Excellent idea for monocoque designs, especially if built today with the internal drive train idea and maybe even an internal disc or hub brake. Practical and reliable. Could mould from reinforced pre-preg composite (carbon, for the rich) or structural mouldable composite as Stuart suggested.(for this with a real budget).
@chris1275cc Рік тому
I think its the spokes but it reminds me of one of the early "Dandy horse" walking bikes.
@jascollinscork Рік тому
Great video and a cracking back story on the tech channel 👌🏻😍 oh and I’d say Ollie was choking his own chain for “wax” IF That stain is anything to go by 🤔😬😂
@toycreator Рік тому
another great video. I have the cadex n is sure a tri bike only. But I like the look of this giant. could def be spec tl be a road bike by manufacturer
@jarosawniekrasz5123 Рік тому
Part2 get GIANT, replace wheels for carbon, replace handlebar, chain etc. it impresive how almost 10kg bike competes with newest aero pinarello
@karlwilliams8208 Рік тому
Remember the All Soft Soft Ride? That was also banned because it wiped the floor and as such rather than the manufacturers trying to up their game they killed it. Once again vested interests killing a radical departure due to greed and avarice.
@wtfiswiththosehandles Рік тому
The UCI are kind of party poopers, aren't they?
@lunam7249 7 місяців тому
thier poop.
@danielburges8176 Рік тому
You guys need to do this test with the Ventum One and the TriRig Omni - both UCI illegal but both would be great as aero road bikes
@bubby372 Рік тому
LMAO. Earlier in the video I was thinking the same thing about that stain on his bibs. Si's delivery of that line was classic. As for what I think it was: Obviously from "Waxing his chain" ;)
@arcaderadio5438 Рік тому
Si is a gem. Evergreen!
@MrJerrettj Рік тому
I just finished watching "Clarkson's Farm 2" this morning. Shame on those town council members. Farming has to be one of the most noble professions. Jeremy has some excellent ideas that could have really helped all the suffering farmers. I was left totally aghast by what Jeremy had to go thru and to persevere... Mad respect to Jeremy Clarkson!
@CLEARRTC 10 місяців тому
Wasn't sure about that bike, but when you put the Aero wheels on it .. Daaaaaaaaaaamn I liked it.
@Turbobuttes 9 місяців тому
I thought the Giant looked like the racing version of a women's city e-bike at first, but wow, those deep section wheels make it look badass, night and day difference!
@fredrik8737 Рік тому
Imagine switching to a electric camera bike and it's making more noise to the mic than w/e you guys used previously. Or is it a mic change maybe?
@markdurdle7710 Рік тому
I quite like the sound effects as Ollie was accelerating, makes him sound like the 6 million dollar man.
@CarlosParadaP Рік тому
I feel that now that everyone has talked about Ollie’s amazing track stand skill he’ll do it on every single video!! 😂😂
@gcn Рік тому
Hahaha the ego doesn't feed itself 😂 Should we be doing a Track stand challenge?
@CarlosParadaP Рік тому
@@gcn yes, please! which presenter last longer on a track stand, icluding Dan
@jregulatori4672 Рік тому
My mid-90's Klein Adroit had internal cable tube routing. Not sure who was the first but they were early on it. Absolute pain in the ass to install using straw like guide tubes.
@hondasaurusrex6998 Рік тому
Nice video kids! Ollie gets an applause for a well executed track stand! .... and waxing the chain. Talking about old school, right former pro Lloydy.
@zanperko3932 Рік тому
Would buy modern illegal version of that no doubt. And Im sure many under 40 would as well, especially Gen Z.
@evinoshima9923 8 місяців тому
In 1996 i rode the Zipp 2001 which was also a wing bike, and pretty aero...in the Keahou Kona 1/2 ironman it flew in the lava fields...
@jeffreypeters1902 Рік тому
It's a cleaner design than the Trek Y-Foil, which I do remember starting to show up in mass events here in the states just before it was banned.
@wenschobert Рік тому
So I have just one question about all the previous tests and this one. How much difference would it make to the old bikes if you add a Set of Conti GP 5000 S TR (or equivalent - whatever sits on the "new" bike you've been using) #AskGCNTech
@swites Рік тому
Reminds me of those frames made in a similar era where there was no seat tube and instead the seat was attached like a spring at the end of a long carbon attachment which attached to an oversized down tube.
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
Allsop softride bikes, the Zipp 2001 or the Lemond Boomerang
@kevingolden1966 Рік тому
Softride made multiple variations, one being a Powerwing which I still own, the 700c version. 🙂 Have been saving it for a potential RAAM attempt but don’t think that’s going to happen due my age.. but maybe something a little shorter that I could do in a day 😏
@carlodubois4102 Рік тому
The frame design of this bikes reminds me the design of the frame of high performance motorcycles such as MotoGP: the twin spars frame. Simplifying at the maximum, the idea is that if you connect the swing arm axles and the steering with the shorter distance as possible you also minimize the bending moment on the frame so, for a given stiffness you can reduce the weight of the frame.
@specialist211 Рік тому
I had an MCR set up as my first TT bike. I couldn't really work out why I wasn't faster for the power, so switched for one of the original aluminium P3's. I went a min per 10 miles quicker with the same position. Which was a shame because I really wanted to like the MCR.
@petesig93 Рік тому
Oscar Egg's use of a tail fairing in 1913, and his later Velo-Velocar in the '30s was the source of the UCI's ban on any fairings or unorthodox bicycle designs. Graeme Obree's unfaired, slightly more conventional bike made from old washing machine piping was also too fast for the UCI so it had to be banned.
@buffviking2379 Рік тому
Beautiful, majestic, impressive. These are just a few words that can be used to describe Ollie's track stand. The bike is ok too, but I would feel like a "monocoque" if I rode one.
@sebastianmachadocph Рік тому
Please do this test with a MCR frame only with modern parts! And I mean stem/bar as well ;)
@philipmarshall-cox2664 Рік тому
Plenty of space in the monocoque for a sneaky battery pack! (Mid 50s with only one good leg, so not a typical usage case!)
@ThomasGMRossetti Рік тому
Unfortunately, I was drinking a cup of tea when you said, “...on which a few brave souls manage to scratch a simple living from the earth...” ...and spluttered it out everywhere with laughter. Some has gone up my nose. Well played, sir! (Although I’m in a bit of pain now.)
@Alan_Hans__ Рік тому
Out of curiosity what were the 3 tyre/tube combinations were ridden with? Mike Burroughs was an amazing bike developer. I was saddened that he died before he got his land speed bike built. I did buy a signed copy of his book not long before his death though.
@JonCannings Рік тому
He was a wonderful man
@inthesPhila Рік тому
Watched the coasting downhill test of positions, including the belly on seat and feet straight out behind. It got me thinking while coasting. What if you could overlap your knees more when coasting with level pedals and feet in the pedals. The top tube gets in the way, can it be modified? Oh this shows it gone. Be sure and test coasting with knees overlapping more than a bike with a top tube allows. The Lotus and softride don't allow knees to overlap much.
@andrebaron1387 Рік тому
I doubt it would be faster, but it would be interesting for you to take a look at one of the Softride Wing bikes. People who love them swear they are way more comfortable than a normal bike, and just as fast. Actually, an interesting series or maybe just a single video would be looking at designs that the UCI outlawed and/or mainstream bikes that contravene the UCI rules (like that Cadex Tri bike, but you'll have to hold your noses and get a GTN presenter to ride that one)
@MrTigerlilly68 Рік тому
The Giant bike reminds me of a C4 Joker I use to ride in the early 2000. Replaced it with a Look kg 381 team that was a lot lighter...😄
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