The Bike That Beat Lance Armstrong - But How Fast Is It?!
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Рік томуWe've seen that a road bike can beat a time trial bike from the 80's, and even the iconic Lotus 110, but what about something from this Millennium? Si and Ollie are back with a retro vs modern this time taking on Jan Ullrich's famous TT bike from 2002. This bike even made Lance Armstrong worried, but will it scare Si and Ollie on their modern superbike?
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@gcn Рік тому
What bike do you want us to try and beat next? Let us know in the comments! 👇
@troycollett8540 Рік тому
The trek TT bike lance used
@troycollett8540 Рік тому
One of the early triathlon bikes
@LUCYDIAMONDBOXER1 Рік тому
A Brompton 😐
@halidaymichael2899 Рік тому
I'd like to see these TT bikes ridden on a velodrome (yes, I understand the bottom bracket and crank length issue) with a set normalised power - so you could actually rank them meaningfully.
@Dr.DP-PhD Рік тому
The TT bikes and comparisons are great, but what about a similar series with a climb and famous climbing bikes? Start off with maybe one of Robert Millar's TDF bikes? I'm sure Philippa would be a great source of info on the bikes too, I know custom parts were used sometimes - Pete Matthews wheels for example
@crnkspinnr3342 Рік тому
Ollie is SO fast @ 14:00 the shock wave of his passing blasted the trash bid over!
@andrewmcalister3462 Рік тому
Well spotted!
@gcn Рік тому
Rocket man 🚀
@mathewrose2951 Рік тому
And again at 19:23. I came here to comment that Ollie has now dropped two TdF champions and two rubbish bins.
@LUCYDIAMONDBOXER1 Рік тому
14:02 the Green bin was so impressed it opened its mouth in awe, and fainted 😂
@gcn Рік тому
😂
@jaredjosiah9089 Рік тому
Ollie is going so fast that he's knocking bins over!
@fakesharky3497 Рік тому
„Bins“😭😭😭 i love that word😂
@gcn Рік тому
You could say...It got dropped... I'll let myself out
@alinapopescu872 Рік тому
@@gcn Ollie's now dropping everyone and everything in sight !
@neilmdon Рік тому
Yep was just going to comment on the bin. Not a very aero bin…
@Outsideville Рік тому
That bin was rubbish.
@RudiDwiHartanto Рік тому
Love the genuine discussion at the end! si and ollie best duo
@Aureas133 Рік тому
This is the most epic presenter duo since Dan and Matt.
@gcn Рік тому
Don't tell Dan 🤫
@patrickorourke152 Рік тому
I have to agree natural and they know there stuff great to watch
@holdencaulfied7492 Рік тому
Nice to see Simon is back!
@hotsky83 Рік тому
Agree. Ollie and Simon are top presenters and by far best riders of the group
@turbojigger Рік тому
Both made me keep on GCN
@brianrainey2739 Рік тому
That Ullrich bike is living room artwork. Stunning!
@randyhale4181 Рік тому
This had to be one of your best vintage bike test I've ever seen you guys so enthralled with. Bravo to you both keep up the good work.
@gcn Рік тому
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. Why not check out out Retro vs Modern documentary on GCN+ 👉 gcn.eu/rvm
@felixblock1542 Рік тому
The position is almost all that matters. The frame makes very little difference anyway. From my time trial experience I can say that very, very good aero handlebars like the Vision TFA & Co can be significantly faster than normal handlebars that only look aerodynamic but then have clamping devices everywhere, for example. But we're talking about maybe 8 watts at 45 km/h. Maximum. So only if you can hide the brake cables better with the TFA handlebars. Otherwise, there's not much to be gained. And I'm talking about the difference between basebar + extensions and not time trial bike cockpit vs. racing bike handlebars. The Walser is a super cool bike, no question. Walser himself once said that there was hardly any further development compared to the bike, so not much to get. Except, in this case, for the cable routing. But all in all, what distinguishes a road bike, whether aero or not, from a time trial or triathlon bike is most of all the position of the rider. And clearly: if the bike position is not adapted to the rider, then it is not maximally fast. With road bike positions, you can help a little with more degrees of freedom during the ride. This is hardly possible with a fixed TT position. Or significantly less. Ollie himself knows how much aero optimisations can make a difference, and it's crazy. In this respect, it is also the case that the Lotusbike MUST actually be faster, if the position is set correctly or can be set correctly. Because the frame itself and the handlebars and cables only make up a fraction. We are easily talking about 80% to 20% here. But the 20% includes not only the frame, but also all the rest such as wheels, handlebars, etc. In this respect, with a good time trial position, the time trial bikes should always, really always win, unless the course is very, very hilly. The Walser was and is a very fast bike. But what was really fast in 2003 was a well-trained Jan Ullrich, unlike many other years. Unfortunately - or fortunately in 2003.
@paulb8587 Рік тому
I know Ollie puts some power out but blowing a wheely bin over with his draft takes him to another level!
@scchua4203 Рік тому
GCN should have a regular 'go-to' test circuit, much like a certain show of the past where 3 gentlemen and a mysterious white-clad test driver held entertaining drives. GCN should have a mysterious 'unknown' test rider to test these legendary bikes. LOL! Great show, Si and Ollie, and all the other GCN presenters!
@1dree1 Рік тому
Great vid. 🙂 I'd like to add a bit of further information on Walser and the bike from my memory: Walser not only built tt bikes but also racing sleds which was what he started with. The bikes were actually a smaller part of his business than the sleds. In late 2003 (I think) German magazine "Tour" visited Walser in his factory in Switzerland where he told about doing night shifts before the 2003 Tour. I think not all Bianchi riders had their Walser bike ready for the prologue and the last ones arrived just in time for the team time trial (stage 4 I think). During these night shifts he was eating old chocolate easter bunnies with expired best before dates as it was the only thing available and it paid a toll on his stomach but the bikes arrived on time for the team time trial. :-D More over the success of these bikes wasn't really new as Team Gerolsteiner was using them at least since 2002 (while being supplied by Wilier officially). Michael Rich served as a test driver for Walser and Gerolsteiner whenever they tried something new. When Gerolsteiner folded some of these were up for grabs at the sale at the headquarter. Around 2010 Walser created a tt bike in cooperation with Focus. I remember an interview from that time in which he explained that the shape of a rider's leg influences the whole aerodynamic and so building a bike for an unknown group of buyers is guessing in this regard but he tried to create a shape which would work with most legs and get a good result despite not being perfect for anybody as it's not possible. Since then he seems to have vanished away a bit from the cycling scene as far as I know.
@gcn Рік тому
Thanks for the info!
@jacopoastolfi2012 Рік тому
ukposts.info/have/v-deo/rqqjYW6xaXyZ0I0.html
@spikewalker6690 Рік тому
Holy crap: when the bin blew over at 19:23. That nearly made me spit my tea across the room!
@gcn Рік тому
They sure picked a miserable day for it!
@Rideurbikenkma Рік тому
I have the road version of that bike, with the full sexiest Dura Ace ever made, and it is lighting fast, and super responsive. It is one bike I will never sell, even have the full TMobile kit as well. Can ya tell I'm a huge Jan fan lol. Good video guys!
@gcn Рік тому
The T-mobile kit certainly would've made it better!
@RobertHopkinsArt Рік тому
Ollie was riding at 265 - 270 watts on these bikes... "That" makes me feel really good, because last month I trained on Zwift at 272.14 at an average of 9.8 miles! Not bad for an "Olde Guy"! Cool bikes!
@truck5050 Рік тому
Awesome power. Well done indeed
@RobertHopkinsArt Рік тому
Thanks, Mate! 62 years old and still rocking. Anyone can do it.
@teaffn9191 Рік тому
Well done mate 272 is really not easy especially for 62 years old 👍
@RobertHopkinsArt Рік тому
Thanks, Buddy! We can all use kind words, and you succeeded in making my day!
@Jayneflakes Рік тому
Olli's science based answer to the question is exactly why we love his presentation skills. This was a fascinating video, hope none of the team got too cold, although my heart goes out to the freezing cold camera person on the back of the motorbike.
@gcn Рік тому
Hahaha glad you enjoyed the video 🙌 Was a cold wet day 🥶
@bikeanddogtrips Рік тому
geez.. Ollie is so fast and powerful now that the draft from his bike is able to knock over wheelie bins 14:01 #thecyclingpoltergeist
@johnschlag3 Рік тому
I appreciate you guys actually uttering the name Lance Armstrong. It seems to have been verboten for a fair number of years. Great bit guys, keep the content coming!
@michadebicki6534 Рік тому
It was a great, exciting and epic era of cycling with one of the most memorable stages ever ridden. And the field was very much on the same level in terms of doping.
@endokrin7897 9 місяців тому
Whatever you think about Lance and the dopers, it was always annoying when people went out of their way to never mention him or anyone from that time. THIS video mentioned Lance AND Jan!!
@h.p.734 Рік тому
GCN have gotten back on track with these videos! It's awesome to see these old but iconic bikes back in use!
@gcn Рік тому
Thanks! You should check out our 'World's rarest bikes' film on GCN+ 👉 gcn.eu/wrb
@h.p.734 Рік тому
@@gcn Seriously?? The moment I compliment the channel, you use it as an opportunity to promote a paid app? Come on... I'm disappointed. Again.
@DigiDonkey Рік тому
I'd love to know how you're managing to get such clear audio when riding. Storm force winds and going for it, yet totally crisp and clear! A vid on documenting your tour/bikepacking would be brilliant.
@gcn Рік тому
You should check out some of our films on GCN+ 👉 plus.globalcyclingnetwork.com/films
@werdsmyth Рік тому
Big love for the B4040. But could I propose a new GCN test track, not far from the B4040? The Little Somerford > Great Somerford > Dauntsey loop is almost exactly 10km. And you can pop in for coffee in my kitchen when you've finished. Just don't ride it in the other direction (because I have the Strava KOM and want to keep it that way!).
@jbruner182 Рік тому
Epic comment right here :) :) hahaha! But hey, seriously, I had a look at the map and if Im ever out that way I would also be happy to stop by??
@PK-qq1lz Рік тому
This is exactly why we love riding bikes: because the tech, the storys, the history, the legends, the own experience and the bonding.
@gcn Рік тому
Have you seen our 'Retro vs modern documentary on GCN+? 👉 gcn.eu/rvm
@ashleylaughlin1425 Рік тому
Love this series. I didn't get into cycling till recently. So getting to see these classic bikes in action is seriously cool.
@gcn Рік тому
Thanks! If you liked that, you should check out our Retro vs modern film on GCN+ 👉 gcn.eu/rvm
@tonypapay Рік тому
Great video! History, entertainment, good information - well done!
@Chris-13 Рік тому
Great video guys and much admiration for risking riding what must be a very valuable bike in that wind 👍👍👍🤩🤩
@davidmurray3685 Рік тому
Time and time again as of late, you guys are nailing the interest card for videos!! This series is mint lads ❤️
@gcn Рік тому
Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoyed it
@MrGarycoww Рік тому
Love the content guys! Great to see an older bike holding its own! I think those 60mm wheels and aero bars had a lot yo do with it! 🔥
@gcn Рік тому
Cheers! It truly is special isn't it!
@MrGarycoww Рік тому
For sure! Weapon!.
@rodforney7184 Рік тому
Great work impressive day to be out in the elements as a presenter also whom ever else was there to support/run a camera, thumbs up for sacrificing your comfort to keep me entertained.
@bubblesezblonde Рік тому
Enjoying this series thanks!
@gcn Рік тому
Thanks! If you're enjoying this, you might also like our doc about the Lotus 108 & 110 bikes 👉 gcn.eu/7u6
@jeffreywilliams3646 Рік тому
The wake Ollie left around that corner - so much that it knocked over a bin. Wow.
@chrispanther3031 Рік тому
I had a litespeed blade which the was same bike lance road in a few TOF TT's. Beautiful bike. He labelled it as a trek in think. Such a classic bike..
@fabianwylie8707 Рік тому
So enjoyed this particular video posting , enjoying the humour 🚴♀️🚴♀️.
@jodaefauser2911 Рік тому
Great show and great video guys - DANKE and regards from Germany
@nightsfalling Рік тому
Love the bike and all the bikes you guys have shown on this series.
@gcn Рік тому
Can't beat some nice retro tech 🙌
@jamesheath4845 Рік тому
Those T-Mobile and Telekom bikes just looked cool, something about the livery just looks so fast
@astro61362 Рік тому
Very interesting video. Very much enjoyed seeing the vintage aero bike.
@Outsideville Рік тому
01:12 I'm not sure that's what a rocket ship sounds like.
@luisrosano3510 Рік тому
Great job guys despite the horrible weather condition, wind was crazy. Thank you for video.
@gcn Рік тому
Glad you liked it!
@LeandroDaRosaMarques Рік тому
awesome. thank you!
@pointbreak2811 Рік тому
It's cool you guys covered this. 2003 is my favorite TdF edition.
@petersinclair2965 Рік тому
Kudos to you both that looked savage out there. Very entertaining though 👍🏻
@gcn Рік тому
Glad you enjoyed it!
@colinboulton4796 Рік тому
Ace video boys good watch 👍🏻
@robertgreenwood6940 Рік тому
This video was fantastic, I think videos always come across particularly well when the presenters are genuinely interested in what they are talking about. Well done lads!
@joemalone1836 Рік тому
Great work
@hossromani Рік тому
Amazing video more of this Please tell us the audio music track excellent, kudos to the editors
@RudiDwiHartanto Рік тому
Siborg on that vintage tt is quite an aesthetic...
@franciscobarriga369 Рік тому
Excellent video. Didn’t know about the bike manufacturer. Thanx and greetings from Ecuador 🇪🇨
@gcn Рік тому
Thanks! If you enjoyed this, you might also like our 'Retro VS Modern' bike doc here 👉 gcn.eu/rvm
@joowwwllllll666 Рік тому
The Aeroad is such a good looking bike 😍
@gcn Рік тому
Isn't it! If you like that, you should check out our documentary on GCN+ about the World's rarest bikes! 👉 gcn.eu/wrb
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
Olli/Si you ought to continue this series with a look at the cousin of the Lotus Bike, The Giant MCR. I was involved with Mike Burrows on the design and I also have a pristine MCR you could borrow.
@gcn Рік тому
We have a film on GCN+ about the Lotus 108 and 110. Check it out! 👉 gcn.eu/7u6
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
@@gcn yeah seen it… hence my suggestion above 😃👍
@gcn Рік тому
Hi Stuart, yeah we'd be totally keen to borrow it if you're happy to let us ride it! Can you drop us a line please? Thanks, Si
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
@@gcn yeah no problem. Where to?
@StuartMossTV Рік тому
Si where do I need to contact you at?
@Thomas-vx8yf Рік тому
thankfully the internet exists and we can see you showcasing these great bikes thank you
@gcn Рік тому
If you liked that, you should check out the films we've made on GCN+ like this one, 'Retro vs modern' 👉 gcn.eu/rvm
@Dr.DP-PhD Рік тому
Very entertaining video, thanks.
@gcn Рік тому
Thanks!
@not_glad Рік тому
Integrated seat posts are great. I've got an alloy track bike with one.
@chrisridesbicycles Рік тому
I love this series. Si seemed to cope really well with the extreme position. Despite moaning about getting old, you are far from it man. I really envy your hip functionality.
@gcn Рік тому
Si isn't on comments today but nice try 😉
@javalamaxi1 Рік тому
13:58 That entrance tho', makes you really understand whats going on with the wind
@jascollinscork Рік тому
Cracking video 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 so we now need to see the Lotus bike that ye've already riden vs this "Gaint" bike please 🙏 😀
@gcn Рік тому
We made a film on GCN+ about the Lotus bikes. You should check it out! 👉 gcn.eu/7u6
@ThomasHubik Рік тому
I remember Klöden could be so narrow on this bike, while Ulrich looked big on it! Both was like Rockets. :D
@michaelscore6763 Рік тому
This bike and the greatest machine in cycling history together were the perfect liason. For me ir always was a pleasure to watch Jan Ulrich cycling, what a talent he was! Especially in time trial with his Walser... I ride a aeroad too - but with etap and dt Swiss. It's a fantastic bike i think!
@andreasmaher8749 Рік тому
I think we hit "peak aero" a long time ago when it comes to bikes. I have a 2007 Felt DA that has a similar geometry to the Giant and its invariably always fast when I race it . Just did a sprint duathlon this past saturday and averaged over 26 mph on it. My neck gets stiff because of the low front end but its quick. LOL
@unfab Рік тому
I LOVE THESE SERIESSSS
@gcn Рік тому
Thanks! If you liked that, you should check out our Retro vs modern film on GCN+ 👉 gcn.eu/rvm
@seattlegrrlie Рік тому
Those T-Mobile logos on the wheels are fantastic.
@2.old4this Рік тому
Wow! 14:00 Dr (hurricane) Ollie flies past so fast he drags a wheelie bin in his wake! Respect.
@SeraStaplz Рік тому
I love that Si rode at perceived effort. This is exactly why I like endurance bikes. You lose a bit of aero, but gain longevity and comfort. And at the extremes, like in this video, even on short routes the times can even out, and you still wind up more comfortable.
@cbandyxxx Рік тому
Good timing with the wheelie bin getting blown over!
@richcrompton6891 Рік тому
Wow the speed! Even took a wheelie bin out!
@knarf_on_a_bike Рік тому
I hate riding in the rain. Especially cold, windy rain. Otherwise, great video! What a bike!
@robertkeefer1552 Рік тому
That TT bike is wicked. A look at the future of bikes to come.
@davidryan4454 Рік тому
Kudos also to the filming team. A great job in crappy conditions 👏
@gcn Рік тому
Cheers! They weren't invited to Majorca for this one 🥺
@stevec6232 Рік тому
My giant trinity (t mobile factory branded) has identical carbon weave. I had assumed it was Giant manufactured but maybe not. So many parts of the frame and fork look identical inc dropouts...
@chickenpoodle Рік тому
13:58 i love how the waste bin just gets knocked over by the blast of wind in ollie's wake.
@Mr_Web Рік тому
14:00 even the bin was blown away by that speed
@innesdunbar Рік тому
You know what’s not Aero? Si’s Windscreen size glasses! Another quality video GCN.
@alfredongos Рік тому
14:00 Ollie went sooo fast by that bin, that knocked it down!!!...
@adeg40 Рік тому
What jacket is Si wearing and why aren’t they available in the GCN shop?
@ethangodridge6833 Рік тому
Really enjoyed this collection in vintage bikes. Have any of you read Daniel Friebe’s book on Jan Ullrich?
@gcn Рік тому
Have you seen our World's rarest bikes film on GCN+? 👉 gcn.eu/wrb
@ethangodridge6833 Рік тому
@@gcn Of course. A great watch and collection of vintage bikes.
@mmemann20001 Рік тому
"... It sounds like a rocket ship. NEOWW." 😂 Can't not give this vid a like after that.
@PurpleHays69 Рік тому
Ollie was so fast on the retro TT bike, his wake blew over the trash bin at 14:02!! 😂
@brooklyncharles4438 Рік тому
How about the Cannondale Saeco bike with the infamous 4/8 bladed wheels.
@Stellar001100 Рік тому
Is it possible to get one of Lance Armstrong's bike frames (unridden secondary frames included)?
@kieron88ward Рік тому
Them deep section wheels on a windy day, oh joy.
@Garanon5 Рік тому
Ollie's flow is a thing of beauty.
@contactking Рік тому
Ollie riding and the garbage can blowing over in the wind behind him. Was that the weather, or the wicked aero wind blast that he's created? Epic!
@oscarcaruso204 Рік тому
What a gorgeous bicycle ❤️💪🏻
@gcn Рік тому
Isn't it! You should check out our World's rarest bikes film on GCN+ for more amazing bikes! 👉 gcn.eu/wrb
@richardclayton2208 Рік тому
The turbulence coming from off olly knocking a bin over @20.04 we knew he had improved but wow 😂😂😂
@kamucho Рік тому
Ollie is so fast nowadays!!! He’s knocking over bins!
@ChrisDemers23 Рік тому
Nice track stand, Ollie.
@racerkully Рік тому
Quality presenters … with Ollie’s new found power these 2 are the best and we need em to race each other straight up
@alynlambert4855 Рік тому
10:35... that leaf must've played havoc with Ullrich's bike's CDA! Like a fork parachute
@garylewis48 Рік тому
Love the rebranding of zipps
@daviddemoise3526 Рік тому
I’d be interested to see the power difference in Si’s runs to see the watts saved.
@andystone5487 Рік тому
The era of the micro TT frame! 👍. A club mate back in the day had a Cougar in an almost French Blue colour. It was stunning and fast...... I asked him if I could buy it?, he said No! 😏
@andrewpeters5907 Рік тому
14:00 - That’s some heavy head wind to blow over a trash bin!
@shaunjasper5465 Рік тому
I managed to pick up a Giant TCR in kids sizing for my son in the same T-Mobile colour scheme last year
@gcn Рік тому
What a find 🙌 lucky kid!
@trevejenkyn9888 Рік тому
thanks guys
@paulgibby6932 Рік тому
Would have been nice to know the power on Si's runs with the same "perceived effort". Good vid though lads.
@whatwelearned Рік тому
I wonder which took more of a battering throughout their time with Ulrich: that bike's cranks or Ulrich's knee cartilage
@RudiDwiHartanto Рік тому
the latter, ulrich pedaling style cause him plenty of injuries... quite sad 😭😭😭
@dennisdownes9319 Рік тому
Great video. Both of you guys are extremely brave riding in the "wet." I am often creeped-out thinking the bike will come out from underneath me at higher speeds! It must be my nightmares from the railroad tracks. DD
@Shellewell Рік тому
As a Scot, I can't help but laugh upon hearing the Cotswolds described as a wilderness.
@gcn Рік тому
Us southerners have to be a bit more creative with the word 😉
@tomrachellesfirstdance7843 Рік тому
The cassette is so tiny I can hardly see it in the side shots. It is interesting seeing the classic tt bikes and the tri bar positions compaired to the new positions which are way more upright
@gcn Рік тому
I bet it takes some getting used to!
@abishektsajeev Рік тому
Awsome video. love from India😄
@gcn Рік тому
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
@chrisbaum998 Рік тому
Wow😃😃😃 Great Bikes!!
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