Has your view of Israel changed since October 7th? | LBC debate

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused the US of having "abandoned" its previous policy.
The UN Security Council's first resolution demanding an immediate ceasefire came after calls for urgent action to avert a famine in Gaza.
Since the start of the conflict, the US has used its veto power to block three Security Council resolutions calling for pauses in the fighting or a ceasefire.
Matthew Wright asks callers if their views on Israel have shifted since October 7th. He hears from Elliot and Woody.
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@sakycwd
@sakycwd Місяць тому
Last week Israel moved annex 10 square miles of the West Bank. This has been going on for decades.
@SeaJay_Oceans
@SeaJay_Oceans Місяць тому
Um, thousands of years ago, the deity YHWH gave ALL of what we call the middle east to the Jewish People. Revelation says Israel will have all the land and reubild the Third Temple. All Christians must support Israel rebuilding the Temple for the Messiah to Return to Earth and Destroy the whole planet.
@SeaJay_Oceans
@SeaJay_Oceans Місяць тому
How much is left & what price is Netanyahu selling 1km lots ?
@user-dave56
@user-dave56 Місяць тому
They are annexing the borderlands of Gaza. Most of it agricultural! Then there is the highway right through the middle. Finally the 'port' ...
@myme8208
@myme8208 27 днів тому
​@@SeaJay_Oceans 1km= 1,200 Jewish lives = 100,000 injured and murdered Palestinians = 2 million forced Palestinians
@beverleyanderson8705
@beverleyanderson8705 26 днів тому
I think it’s absolutely a breech of Palestine fundamental rights to self determination . The Isreal ideology of Zionism is out of date when you steal another’s land rights and then occupy their land . We the British have so much to answer for . The Balfour declaration was founded by one man’s belief that European Jews would be a problem for our country this was the immigration plan of Balfour. I believe the people of Palestine you have reparation form UK & Isreal .
@vlaythsh7880
@vlaythsh7880 Місяць тому
Palestenian suffering has never been acknowledged.
@Markadown
@Markadown Місяць тому
Say this louder!
@Deeoflife-ot2vz
@Deeoflife-ot2vz Місяць тому
It's the choice the Palestinians have chosen, when they want peace they'll have peace. If they keep thinking one day the Israelites will disappear and they'll own the entire land from the river to the sea then this is just a cycle that'll be continuously repeated.
@jimmySanchez-nc1dr
@jimmySanchez-nc1dr Місяць тому
@@Markadown Why, you deaf ?
@vlaythsh7880
@vlaythsh7880 Місяць тому
@@Deeoflife-ot2vz you need to educate your self , you should see how Palestenian are treated in Israel what else would you do then resist you got no choice.
@Deeoflife-ot2vz
@Deeoflife-ot2vz Місяць тому
@@vlaythsh7880 , they've been offered a state 4 times since 1948 but they always choose war. How else do you think this would end? It's you who needs educating actually
@eugenemurtagh2085
@eugenemurtagh2085 Місяць тому
Calling this a war is like calling an adult beating a child a fight
@hanselmansell7555
@hanselmansell7555 Місяць тому
Spot on 👏👏👏
@s5utu
@s5utu Місяць тому
So true 👍
@Ciilow24
@Ciilow24 Місяць тому
Couldn’t say it any better 👏
@reneestevez7193
@reneestevez7193 Місяць тому
Well on Oct 7th the child threw a tantrum using a chainsaw.
@ahmedtemani1984
@ahmedtemani1984 Місяць тому
​@@reneestevez7193no his brother did. You still wouldn't call beating that child a fight, right ?
@valmach1
@valmach1 Місяць тому
This is a one sided massacre... Not a war of Equal armies.
@frankcrozier2592
@frankcrozier2592 Місяць тому
Never had a descent view of Israel now I never will .
@janbrown9195
@janbrown9195 Місяць тому
Hamas should have thought about that before starting a war shouldn’t they.
@voulafisentzidis8830
@voulafisentzidis8830 Місяць тому
​@@janbrown9195freedom-fighters have a right to respond to Israel's treatment of Palestinians.
@naztoro
@naztoro Місяць тому
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
@alandraper7901
@alandraper7901 Місяць тому
It's a bit like October 7th hey.
@CrimsionMoon
@CrimsionMoon Місяць тому
This didn't be start on 7th October - it's been one sided for over 7 decades
@supacamoo
@supacamoo Місяць тому
💯💯🎯🎯
@nickfai9301
@nickfai9301 Місяць тому
To the civilised western leaders, big bang had happened on Oct 6 so did the world history.. Nothing was happening before Oct 7. So what ever they say, they only know that the world history had began on Oct 7.
@Ali_003
@Ali_003 Місяць тому
Exactly
@danielquartler1527
@danielquartler1527 Місяць тому
It began in 1921 when the Palestinians massacred jews during the riots, continued in 1929 on the grand massacre and then in 1936. You should learn some history
@jackabalas
@jackabalas Місяць тому
@@danielquartler1527it actually began in 1917 with the Balfour Declaration when Britain decided to give the Palestinian land under Ottoman rule to the Jewish people following the Sykes-Picot Agreement.
@AbdulQ.KhanCosmicTiger
@AbdulQ.KhanCosmicTiger Місяць тому
Squatters playing victim.
@har3036
@har3036 Місяць тому
Maybe marauders is a better description.
@AbdulQ.KhanCosmicTiger
@AbdulQ.KhanCosmicTiger Місяць тому
@@har3036 true
@SuperStella1111
@SuperStella1111 Місяць тому
Squatters and marauders playing victim! @@har3036
@glennwilson6435
@glennwilson6435 Місяць тому
@@har3036 is that what they call a squatter with nukes?
@nayak6602
@nayak6602 Місяць тому
squatters from civilization of terrorists claiming to own land belong to a 4000 yeard old civilization
@simonsze5324
@simonsze5324 Місяць тому
Isreal no right to defend in a occupied Palestinians lands.
@Khalkara
@Khalkara Місяць тому
Agreed. Also a genocidal state should not be permitted to exist.
@Sylvia-ps8tg
@Sylvia-ps8tg Місяць тому
@@Khalkara🎯🎯👍🏻
@Mrhasbarafree
@Mrhasbarafree Місяць тому
Under international law, an occupying power cannot claim self defence.
@trevorlandy152
@trevorlandy152 Місяць тому
@@Mrhasbarafree unfortunately international and customary law was not incorporated into the constitution of the ill-conceived articles of the "promised Land".
@jacobcohen9205
@jacobcohen9205 Місяць тому
Which 'Lands' would that be, Simon? They left Gaza in 2005.
@botanicG
@botanicG Місяць тому
"When everyone can see the problem it’s too late." ~ Prince Machiavelli
@leowilkin5587
@leowilkin5587 Місяць тому
Completely agree but I thought (could be wrong) it's "The Prince" by Niccolo Machiavelli
@brothercaleb
@brothercaleb Місяць тому
@@leowilkin5587you’re actually right
@daneyal7162
@daneyal7162 Місяць тому
hamas are the bigger problem
@ppetal1
@ppetal1 Місяць тому
​@leowilkin5587 heard of 'abbrv.'?
@user-xr1th3jn3n
@user-xr1th3jn3n Місяць тому
Hamas is definitely the problem
@georgek3398
@georgek3398 Місяць тому
How can anyone call this a war?
@martinhill9261
@martinhill9261 Місяць тому
If you've been paid off
@jacobcohen9205
@jacobcohen9205 29 днів тому
What do you call it, George?
@laithmughrabi8990
@laithmughrabi8990 28 днів тому
​@@jacobcohen9205 i call it a war. Remember when the jews lost in holocaust war against nazis.. they cried hard and made movies about it.
@FR33_PALESTIN33
@FR33_PALESTIN33 Місяць тому
The more people are made aware of these heinous crimes, the more the veil is lifted. Come on, humanity; it's time to awaken!
@jimmySanchez-nc1dr
@jimmySanchez-nc1dr Місяць тому
Viva Israel.
@bikeserv
@bikeserv Місяць тому
​@@jimmySanchez-nc1drgfys
@MarkDenmark-nz2pz
@MarkDenmark-nz2pz Місяць тому
@@jimmySanchez-nc1drI know it’s hurting seeing all people around the world shifting towards the Palestinians and see your true colors !
@FatRonaldo1
@FatRonaldo1 Місяць тому
Completely agree with the point you are making, but why does your picture need to be a Star of David?
@MarkDenmark-nz2pz
@MarkDenmark-nz2pz Місяць тому
@@FatRonaldo1 this star is almost found in all the old civilisations, calm down
@hyderally8045
@hyderally8045 Місяць тому
Most of these callers are oblivious to what's been happening before the 7th October.
@orwellianyoutube8978
@orwellianyoutube8978 19 днів тому
which is a testament to media's complicity in this ignorance because they fail to inform the public and act as Israeli shills.
@Andulsi
@Andulsi Місяць тому
Prior to October 7th, in 2023 there was the highest level of settler violence on the West bank in years. Over 200 Palestinians killed. And again the IDF bombed Gaza in 2023 prior to October 7th. It just doesn t get widespread report. You have to go digging to get that information.
@Sylvia-ps8tg
@Sylvia-ps8tg Місяць тому
Its hard finding anything about previous isrl violence. Getting deleted.
@janbrown9195
@janbrown9195 Місяць тому
Yap yap yap more propaganda
@MrWhitmen1981
@MrWhitmen1981 Місяць тому
Yet not one Thai person was held hostage by the IDF. You simply can’t ignore or say the same for Palestinians who currently are holding hostages from Thailand post October 7. It’s obvious the pro Palestinian left don’t value certain lives, Jewish ones and especially Asian ones. This is a dangerous situation given Chinas ambitions in Asia to eradicate democracy in places like Taiwan.
@moriumakhter2424
@moriumakhter2424 Місяць тому
​@@janbrown9195 no, its isreal's job to through more propaganda
@joscott6476
@joscott6476 Місяць тому
You don’t have to dig - just read x
@mdog111
@mdog111 Місяць тому
Thankfully, the whole world's view of Israel has changed since October 7th. Long overdue.
@jeddward9464
@jeddward9464 Місяць тому
It certainly has, now we see what Israel has had to put up with, murdering hamas terrorism, who have stolen 10s of millions that should have gone to the Palestinians families...
@Sylvia-ps8tg
@Sylvia-ps8tg Місяць тому
Yes, the world now can see the arrogant, spoiled brats.
@D47JoyUnited
@D47JoyUnited Місяць тому
@@jeddward9464 10s of millions that should have gone back to the USA tax payer more like. What advantage has USA had from that loyal friendship?
@rayglenister9799
@rayglenister9799 Місяць тому
@@jeddward9464 How ungrateful can you be Hamas, after all, Israel did fund and support you rise to power in Gaza.
@jake751
@jake751 Місяць тому
​@@jeddward9464read a history book. BALFOUR DECLARATION 1917. NAKABA 1948. This didn't start on October 7th
@threeone117
@threeone117 Місяць тому
stop witht he 7th october. this has been going on for 75 years at the expense of Palestinian lives.
@seanmcbride5599
@seanmcbride5599 Місяць тому
The kid at school bullied for years who one day snaps and retaliates against his oppressor. Is he then a bully? Counter terrorism is not terrorism.
@Ilovemyboj
@Ilovemyboj Місяць тому
My opinion of Israel has definitely changed in the last few months d/t a lack of understanding what Israel was actually doing. I also didn't fully understand how Israel was created. Not to mention the fact that the over the top killing of innocent Palestinians. I have also noticed the level of propaganda that comes out of Israel. Just all around have noticed my ignorance of what has been going on
@doggieclaude
@doggieclaude Місяць тому
You should be really proud of yourself for taking an interest and having curiosity. Most of us didn't know before, but when we find out, we know it is wrong because we've always had basic morals.
@janbrown9195
@janbrown9195 Місяць тому
If you believe the propaganda from a terrorist organisation like Hamas there something very wrong with your moral compass or lack of imo
@MrJDuro
@MrJDuro Місяць тому
The state of israel shouldn't be in the Levant. It should be in East Germany or West poland. Not Palestine. No more imperalism.
@CQuinnLady
@CQuinnLady Місяць тому
Israel are using a book of fairytales to justify why they must be in Palestine.
@michaelslator64
@michaelslator64 Місяць тому
Give them Barvaria?
@nyc_girl_in_london925
@nyc_girl_in_london925 28 днів тому
Epstein Island
@jidf32
@jidf32 Місяць тому
*Saying Hamas is a terror group just shows how out of touch people are and how dehumanized the Palestinians have become.* You think that if you asked a person who has known nothing more than the open air prison that is Gaza, they would say the people who are fighting for their freedom are terrorist? It's funny how people who have never been oppressed are the first ones to throw around words like terrorist and also want to tell the oppressed how they should behave or resist that oppression. For those living cushy lives why calling Hamas terrorists answer this, what would you have the Palestinians and Hamas do to end Israel's thumb on Gaza and the West Bank?
@StanleyKubick1
@StanleyKubick1 Місяць тому
pretty sure the not-see's also called the french resistance a terrorist organization
@ndadikpa
@ndadikpa Місяць тому
Kindly explain what you mean by Israel's thumb on Gaza? Because last I remember Gaza was handed over to Palestinians who voted in Hamas...who has a charter to ELIMINATE Israel. So kindly explain this thumb" you are talking about on Gaza first
@drfunkypunk
@drfunkypunk Місяць тому
@@ndadikpa - Hamas charter calls for the elimination of Zionism in Israel- not Israel itself. As for handing Gaza over to the Palestinians, Gaza has been described as an open air concentration camp. Do tell. How does that equate to freedom? Furthermore, the majority of Palestinians killed didn't vote in Hamas. Over half of those dead are children who werent even born when Hamas were elected. Educate yourself.
@jidf32
@jidf32 Місяць тому
@@ndadikpa Ah!!! the Charter. Let me go a step at a time. By thumb I mean Israel controls the air, the sea and the land. Why do you think humanitarian aid currently can't get into Gaza if Palestinians controlled it? The Charter? In case you don't know this since you are clearly repeating that thing you heard that one time, the charter was amended to remove any ambiguity in the language. Hamas always meant that they needed a Palestinian state. But let me ask you this... Israel has killed 30000 Palestinians and are basically ethnically cleansing them, you think because they didn't include (In all CAPS) ELIMINATE the Palestinians in the Likud charter then their actions to try actually eliminate them don't really count because they are not in a charter? Make that make sense,
@ndadikpa
@ndadikpa Місяць тому
@jidf32 So Hamas has changed their charter you say but they were shooting rockets into Israel and you want israel to open the air and sea for importation of weapons from Iran right...that's suicide to israel. And you are comfortable with Hamas running Gaza with no elections and if any palestinian speaks contrary to their view point they get murderd. No one says israel is in the right, neither can one say how to properly settle this situation but to sit down and justify Hamas as an organisation is beyond me. 30k deaths is terrible. However Hamas started this war, and israel has to disarm Hamas and those tunnels. The innocent on both sides are suffering but if Hamas survives they have promised to repeat this again so when do you want this cycle to stop
@Jhaybhi
@Jhaybhi Місяць тому
The media right across the board has been cheering Israel on though
@Sylvia-ps8tg
@Sylvia-ps8tg Місяць тому
But its getting harder for them. I mean its half a year now, self defence ? Then all the tiktok vids they make. Horrifying. All actions lead to only one conclusion. Erase.
@TomJonesisback
@TomJonesisback Місяць тому
100% right mate 🙏
@janbrown9195
@janbrown9195 Місяць тому
Oh no they haven’t, all we ever hear about is the victimhood of Palestinians
@TomJonesisback
@TomJonesisback Місяць тому
@@janbrown9195 only victim is Israel self inflicted 🤔
@Greg-tanner
@Greg-tanner Місяць тому
Palistine love to play the victim
@lordchaa1598
@lordchaa1598 Місяць тому
Hannibal Directive. Enough said.
@roberthorne9597
@roberthorne9597 Місяць тому
Mow the lawn; From the River to the sea; it's all projection
@vm5954
@vm5954 Місяць тому
The blame sits squarely with vehicle drivers Your addiction to driving fuels this pun intentional
@mixKid12
@mixKid12 Місяць тому
War crimes one day they will be held accountable
@TiberiusWallace
@TiberiusWallace Місяць тому
To be fair the country has done warcrimes for longer than most people have been alive
@SMILEITMIGHTNOTHAPPENYET
@SMILEITMIGHTNOTHAPPENYET Місяць тому
Like Britain.
@NadeemHussain-rt3fd
@NadeemHussain-rt3fd Місяць тому
The Colonialists last stand!!
@amcc5887
@amcc5887 Місяць тому
Yes however its way way to late now for the world to realise what was going on in the 1st place 😢😢😢
@carlkamuti
@carlkamuti Місяць тому
Unfortunately I think there is as much chance of the Netanyahu administration facing trial as there is of Harry Truman standing trial today for the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.
@badomen9057
@badomen9057 Місяць тому
People have changed their mind because finally every one can see the true horror and suffocating occupation that Palestinians have been forced to endure for decades
@janbrown9195
@janbrown9195 Місяць тому
Do not speak for everyone speak for yourself only I do NOT agree with you and never will , this is simply propaganda against Israel
@kataroquasinzki7383
@kataroquasinzki7383 Місяць тому
Hon, my view of not just Israel, but of its backers and their pathological behavior too changed. And by changed I mean it became exponentially more negative. The whole past five months were so revealing. Watching all those superpowers ganging up on a largely defenseless and caged indigenous population while arming their oppressors and providing them with diplomatic cover was what did it for me. Such a watershed moment in recent political history and its aftermath will reverberate for decades to come.
@roystonellis6909
@roystonellis6909 Місяць тому
Spot on
@masquarra
@masquarra Місяць тому
Yes! Here
@beckynelson6786
@beckynelson6786 Місяць тому
I must say that I am in total agreement with what you say.
@pk3778
@pk3778 Місяць тому
This is a UNSC resolution at those Come with enforcement-remember Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia etc etc etc.... Any Arab Nations now can legitimately get involved in defense of Palestinians if Likudis refuse to ceasefire indefinitely...
@doggieclaude
@doggieclaude Місяць тому
100%. I have changed political parties (I'm in the UK) as a direct result of what I have seen from our complicit politicians
@AH-vm8yo
@AH-vm8yo Місяць тому
History didn't start on October the 7th. In 2018 Palestinians went on the great march of return and the majority of the march was extremely peaceful. Israeli snipers took this opportunity to shoot physically disabled people and children. They have been in a concentration camp for decades and brutalised by Israel. I blame Palestinians for hating Israelis as much as I blame a Jewish person in the 40s hating the Nazis. How dare people who have lived a peaceful life in first world countries tell a people who grew up in a concentration camp how to resist. The Palestinian people have tried to gain liberation via peaceful means but it has ended in dead civilians for them. Before anyone says it no Palestinians didn't have to accept extremely unfavourable ''peace deals''. The same way native Americans didn't have to accept ''peace deals'' proposed by the genocidal settler colonial state they were resisting. When you treat people as sub human since the day they were born except them to treat you the same.
@Sylvia-ps8tg
@Sylvia-ps8tg Місяць тому
Fully agree!
@s5utu
@s5utu Місяць тому
Totally agree 👍
@josephineburke3995
@josephineburke3995 Місяць тому
Bravo 👏 👏
@janbrown9195
@janbrown9195 Місяць тому
BS
@BillyBowlster
@BillyBowlster Місяць тому
HERE HERE!
@lucasmoreno5330
@lucasmoreno5330 Місяць тому
The caller mentions Dresden but not the Geneva convention wich now prohibits carpet bombing of civilians.
@FontaineDerby
@FontaineDerby Місяць тому
The Israeli Supreme Court has ruled that the Fourth Geneva Contention is not applicable by Israeli courts because it is "contractual" international law which would require specific Israeli legislation before the courts take cognizance of it. Israel does not accept that the Geneva Convention applies to Gaza nor the West Bank, particularly Article 49: Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention states: “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.” It also prohibits the “individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory”. THE QUESTION OF THE OBSERVANCE OF THE FOURTH GENEVA CONVENTION OF 1949 IN GAZA AND THE WEST BANK INCLUDING JERUSALEM OCCUPIED BY ISRAEL IN JUNE 1967 Prepared for, and under the guidance of the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People UNITED NATIONS New York, 1979
@johnrussell3961
@johnrussell3961 Місяць тому
Dresden may have been beautiful , but was also major port on the Elbe, and had many chemical companies.
@lucasmoreno5330
@lucasmoreno5330 Місяць тому
@@FontaineDerby it was a Brit using the argument of Dresden, not a genocidal Israeli
@rewdwarf123
@rewdwarf123 Місяць тому
Always surprised me how so few people protested about the Sri Lankan military destroying the Tamil resistance in 2009.
@mohamedparker2167
@mohamedparker2167 Місяць тому
This is not a war
@eddiemac2650
@eddiemac2650 Місяць тому
It's one sided slaughter
@kbcaps
@kbcaps Місяць тому
I am astounded that it has taken this abhorrent genocidal massacre for people to realise the reality of what's been happening in Palestine since 1948. If this awful onslaught has somehow horrified you then think of the massacres of Deir Yassin, Tantura, Sabra and Shatila and so many others.
@talllala
@talllala Місяць тому
The dialogue is still disingenuous. Commentators and radio hosts need to stop pretending this all started with October 7th and there hasn't been an appalling record of human rights violations before then.
@josephineburke3995
@josephineburke3995 Місяць тому
Well said, I'm so sick of all the MSM, they were so biased. When they said the little girl, Hind, who was phoning for help in a car with her murdered relatives was found dead, ( not murdered ) I gave up and thought what a disgrace these people are to their profession.
@Nikolai508
@Nikolai508 Місяць тому
I don’t think they were here but it’s taken this for the masses to change their opinion. Before that most people didn’t even think about Israel.
@BillyBowlster
@BillyBowlster Місяць тому
Why do you think this has been happening for 70+ years? Cause all mainstream media are complicit in burying and using IOF propoganda to keep a lid on this apartheid $$$$$$$$$$.
@csdvideouk
@csdvideouk Місяць тому
I think this sorry episode in history marks the end of the US’s dominance on global geopolitics. The US has completely lost any moral authority or respect across the globe.
@bhupendraparekh6225
@bhupendraparekh6225 Місяць тому
Didn't began on October 7th, funny how people are so ignorant on this.
@user-xr1th3jn3n
@user-xr1th3jn3n Місяць тому
You are right the Palestinians have chosen war since 1929 when they committed massacres against Jews. And in 1936 when they rejected the peel commission to get 80% of the land to build a state. And in 1948 which they rejected the two state solution.
@bawbagindustries
@bawbagindustries Місяць тому
@@user-xr1th3jn3n On June 30, 1924, Zionist terrorists The Haganah officially imported terrorism into Mandatory Palestine. Fighting colonisation is resistance. Pre-1948 many Palestinians accepted non-terrorist Jews into there homes to shield them from persecution by the British. Not such a great idea, in hindsight.
@laithmughrabi8990
@laithmughrabi8990 28 днів тому
​@@user-xr1th3jn3n and how Ashkenazis reached a middle eastern land? Sounds like colonialism
@ericfranklin1802
@ericfranklin1802 Місяць тому
Matthew is spot on with the IRA comparison. Every time there is a struggle for peace that involves apartheid, occupation, etc. there ends up being violent resistance that gets the terrorist label (and yes those acts are often times reprehensible) but the west, especially the UK and the USA need to stop pretending like they will fix 5e problem by dictating who can and who can’t be part of any future Palestinian government. The IRA became part of Irish parliament, the ANC became a part of the South African government, etc.
@pk3778
@pk3778 Місяць тому
This is a UNSC resolution and those Come with enforcement-remember Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia etc etc etc.... Any Arab Nations now can legitimately get involved in defense of Palestinians if Likudis refuse to ceasefire indefinitely...
@sachasoorma
@sachasoorma Місяць тому
​@pk3778 but they won't... they're all bought and fully owned
@mandyharewood886
@mandyharewood886 Місяць тому
Yes!
@christianmccann9400
@christianmccann9400 Місяць тому
Exactly, Greetings from Ireland!
@Deeoflife-ot2vz
@Deeoflife-ot2vz Місяць тому
The only problem with the comparison is that the IRA's mission had nothing to do with religion. Why do you think there was an occupation in the first place?
@1705louloutte
@1705louloutte Місяць тому
I was looking at a Palestinian child on TV and I was thinking he will be angry and hate Israel for the rest of his life.
@direnova6284
@direnova6284 Місяць тому
No, my attitude to Israel hasn't changed. They've been committing war crimes for decades.
@faithmatthews830
@faithmatthews830 Місяць тому
You can't fully acknowledge the atrocities of October 7th without first acknowledging the atrocities committed by Israel prior to October 7th. You must also advocate for freedom of hostages on both sides. Both the hostages held by Hamas but also the hostages held by Israel.
@whatintheworld6076
@whatintheworld6076 Місяць тому
For those who bring up WWII era mass killings like Dresden to justify what’s happening in Gaza are appalling. The whole purpose of the Geneva convention was so civilians will be protected in times of war. So much for civility. Hypocrisy is suffocating
@kbcaps
@kbcaps Місяць тому
It is straight out of the Israel propaganda textbook. Only problem for them is that since then, we have had the Geneva Convention which totally prohibits these kinds of actions.
@whatintheworld6076
@whatintheworld6076 Місяць тому
@@kbcaps Yup… they want to be perpetual victims that use the holocaust and atrocities of WWII to garner sympathy but want to be exempt from the rules put in place to prevent recurrence of similar atrocities. Rules for thee not for me.
@georginathompson3788
@georginathompson3788 Місяць тому
The caller is clueless, just repeating media talking points. Doesn’t think to ask why Palestinians are defending themselves in the first place.
@ansumanakassama
@ansumanakassama Місяць тому
Let's discuss before October 7 and after October 7 we hear enough of propaganda October 7 October 7
@tiniejay
@tiniejay Місяць тому
It's like things started on 7 October. Perhaps a visit to the West Bank would help... People like Ben-Gvir, Smotrich and Netanyahu have always been around along with their nastiness and state-sponsored segregation in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza. That is not to say when one is critical of Israel one is somehow condoning Hamas' conduct.
@bluecoffee8414
@bluecoffee8414 Місяць тому
A big factor is demographic changes. Religious Jews simply have a lot more children. And they are becoming an ever larger biting block.
@colinireson9339
@colinireson9339 Місяць тому
The World will never look at Israel in the same way ever again.
@sarahtates
@sarahtates 27 днів тому
Do your research and learn about how Palestinians have caused trouble and war everywhere they go, ever wonder why the other Arabic countries haven’t opened their borders for them? Research and you’ll see why but you lot just don’t want to do any research and blindly follow the mainstream media 🤦🏻‍♀️
@Mounhas
@Mounhas Місяць тому
No, they are showing their true colours now and the majority of the world can see that.
@tal-lancer
@tal-lancer Місяць тому
just listening to western commentators, even the 'well-to-do' ones, you can't help but feel that they just don't get it.
@jnorth9431
@jnorth9431 Місяць тому
They get it, but unfortunately can’t say it out loud. If my five year old gets it, so can a grown up, with experience!
@michaelcoward1902
@michaelcoward1902 Місяць тому
We kind of invented the whole concept of Pogroms...so we do have to be careful
@anchorread68
@anchorread68 Місяць тому
People often have a tendency to align with friends and colleagues, a behavior rooted in tribal psychology. It also happens that many Israelis-linked people occupy prominent positions.
@rhdrewable
@rhdrewable Місяць тому
Absolutely. I still believed the situation was "complicated" before October 7. The horrors that have come since have caused me to learn more about what happened before October 7 to get us here. And the things Israeli leaders and citizens have said are literally worse than WWII rhetoric. I've been shocked to my core at the immorality.
@Iguazu65
@Iguazu65 Місяць тому
Just on one point made. Qatar did fund Hamas. They were also asked to do so by Isreal. The latter fact is from the Isreali Government. It was part of stopping Gaza and the West Bank unifying politically as that would address the Oslo Accords and the Two State solution. Again that came from Netenyanau.
@user-xr1th3jn3n
@user-xr1th3jn3n Місяць тому
Not true. The rationale in Israel was the economic prosperity would result peace which is why it withdrew from Gaza completely. Also allowing Palestinians from Gaza to work in Israel. Then these workers broke on October 7th and massacred their employees.
@Moonwalker379
@Moonwalker379 Місяць тому
​@@user-xr1th3jn3nThat's just a load of tosh. Illegal settlements, settler violence, military occupation of west bank, rhetoric from Ben Gvir and co. None of this points to wanting the Pallys to prosper.
@sadika7567
@sadika7567 Місяць тому
By workers do you mean the oppressed and by employees do you mean the oppressors/occupiers/colonists. If you don't mean that, then you have more reading to do. Also, this is not aimed at you, but I'm sick of the 'we left Gaza in 2005' argument. They took all the Izzies out so they won't have to see and deal with what the IDF were about to do with the Gazians for the next 20 years which was daily mental torture which also sometimes became physical. It's known as an open air prison for a reason.
@user-xr1th3jn3n
@user-xr1th3jn3n Місяць тому
@@sadika7567 i dont care if you’re sick of it but it’s true. They elected Hamas a year after and they are responsible. This alleged “open air prison” is nothing but a populist baseless claim. All these days the Palestinians show off how amazing Gaza was before the war. Tens of thousands of gazans came to work in Israel on a daily basis. Also you are forgetting Egypt borders Gaza as well but no one talks about it.
@sadika7567
@sadika7567 Місяць тому
Ah it says your name is Levi, no wonder you don't have the truth, the censorship for the Zi population is insane. So many don't even know the basic History and are told anything bad they see is "fake" and "never happened". You've been fooled by your government for years. Wake up.
@robharris35
@robharris35 Місяць тому
I’m sick of hearing these moderate middle ground voices on this issue. Palestinians are being obliterated, the Israeli state has seized its chance and is now implementing a longstanding goal
@What-kw6ox
@What-kw6ox Місяць тому
Comparing Dresden to Gaza is ridiculous. 76 yrs of occupation and dehumanization vs Nazis. Really?
@SteveEboy71
@SteveEboy71 Місяць тому
why is the never any talk of innocent Palestinians childrens rights. oh yeah i forgot they dont have any.
@eddieokpara3549
@eddieokpara3549 Місяць тому
When Nathanyahu said Isreal from River to the Sea, what did he mean?
@ShamayimPM
@ShamayimPM Місяць тому
In what world is forcibly moving millions into Palestine and then expelling those who are already there, not an act of aggression, Oct 7 was just the most recent catastrophe.
@user-xd7dk3oy3q
@user-xd7dk3oy3q Місяць тому
How can a state be formed that only serves one religious sect & everyone else is treated as a second class citizen. Netanyahu funded Hamas!
@FatherTimeasd
@FatherTimeasd Місяць тому
Ask the Palestinians, they did it for centuries before Israel existed (Look up the word "Dhimma")
@user-xd7dk3oy3q
@user-xd7dk3oy3q Місяць тому
@@FatherTimeasd I expect cavemen were pretty savage, but we’re supposed to be a little more civilised than those that lived 1000s of years ago? The end of the second WW brought in international laws for all countries to abide by, so that this won’t happen. If it does then country should expect to be treated like a Pariah!
@AlOfNorway
@AlOfNorway Місяць тому
The insults of mainstream media to treat us, the individuals as ignorant fools, has gone too far. We know the truth now and we won’t forget.
@shivan1209
@shivan1209 Місяць тому
For those who support the state of Israel being created on stolen land in Palestine because there was the Holocaust, my question is now that Israel has committed the same sin, can the Palestinians now say they have a right to all of the land?
@PanglossDr
@PanglossDr Місяць тому
I would love to know how one of the most strongly protected borders in the world was so easily breached. I would love to know how one of the most effective intelligence services in the world had no idea an attack was coming. I wonder...
@rayglenister9799
@rayglenister9799 Місяць тому
According to the young IDF women whose sole task was to monitor activity in and along the walls of Gaza, 24/7, an attack was on the cards. Their reports to security were ignored as was two warning from Egypt. Some of those lovely unarmed IDF girls died in the Oct 7 attack.
@user-of2sm2tq8v
@user-of2sm2tq8v Місяць тому
Palestine doesn't have an army, navy or airforce. Who is supposed to protect them from being forced out of their own country? Who was it who designated Hamas a terrorist organisation? Ask these questions to get an idea of the context here
@ascorpio1
@ascorpio1 Місяць тому
Armed resistance is legitimate against an occupation under international law.
@placeofpeace9777
@placeofpeace9777 Місяць тому
Netanyahu must be tried at the ICJ or the ICJ should be dissolved.
@Ssalamanderr
@Ssalamanderr Місяць тому
I started following the conflict in 2014 during "Operation Protective Edge" which killed about 2000 Palestinians. One of the stories from that time was of Israel shelling an active maternity ward. After that I learned about the Nakba, occupation and apartheid policies of Israel. So no, Oct 7 has not changed my views.
@margaretmcguire8952
@margaretmcguire8952 Місяць тому
Mine haven't changed either. Remember Rached Corrie and what happened to her
@ShaneH999
@ShaneH999 Місяць тому
No, it just makes aware what has been happening for decades, to the global public
@DivineLove247
@DivineLove247 Місяць тому
Saint George was a Knight in shining Armour , Saint George was a Jihaadi....Who struggled for JUSTICE. Saint George fought for the Oppressed,....This is why our Country has adopted his Flag. Question, IF Saint George had been alive today, Would he have sided with the Oppressed or the Oppressor? Be British & Proud,....Side with the Oppressed.
@haniffmohamoodally
@haniffmohamoodally Місяць тому
Well articulated
@idrinkcoffeeandknowthings
@idrinkcoffeeandknowthings Місяць тому
Btw st George is a muslim saint too specially Palestinian saint called jirjus
@JaM-si6nb
@JaM-si6nb Місяць тому
My views have certainly changed. I grew up around Hackney and Stoke Newington. I used to baby sit for a Jewish family. Then care for an elderly Jewish man for a period of time. I can not believe that the people that I have been listening to over the past months have anything in common with the people I knew. As a non Jewish person, I am afraid for our safety from the idf soldiers returning after their stint in Palestine.
@7ookee
@7ookee Місяць тому
Its like brexit all over again. Only after the damage is done do they realise "oh, maybe that was the wrong move".
@genevieve4418
@genevieve4418 Місяць тому
Politicians always know what they're doing. You don't matter, just your taxes.
@alandraper7901
@alandraper7901 Місяць тому
Brexit was bang on the right move. It was what we voted for, and it's time you accepted it.
@allip4226
@allip4226 Місяць тому
​@@alandraper7901 The majority of the British people, including Brexit voters, disagree with you according to polls.
@musaffir1.
@musaffir1. Місяць тому
It should become mandatory learning in schools to be taught about all the meddling of the colonial powers including England
@longstrobe2547
@longstrobe2547 Місяць тому
" including England"!! It was them that started the Israeli Palestine problem when the Ottoman Empire was defeated.
@pk3778
@pk3778 Місяць тому
This is a UNSC resolution and those Come with enforcement-remember Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia etc etc etc.... Any Arab Nations now can legitimately get involved in defense of Palestinians if Likudis refuse to ceasefire indefinitely.
@user-uo8rh7hp3d
@user-uo8rh7hp3d Місяць тому
War or No war people should not be deprived of food and water especially children
@elizabethwirth3845
@elizabethwirth3845 Місяць тому
Is it not weird that Sunak flew to Israel promising arms but as the Palestinians were being murdered, nobody offered food & water.
@jdQuincy
@jdQuincy Місяць тому
People who's minds were changed should question their morality.Isreal have been doing a version of this horror for decades, enabled by the indifference of it's supporters in the West.If ,on the 8th of October, you were firmly within the Israel camp, there's something wrong with you.
@crazymonkeyVII
@crazymonkeyVII Місяць тому
The problem is information. The pro-Israel crowd has been shielded from seeing and hearing about Israel's atrocities for their entire life. For many of them, this is the first time that they've become aware (or have been unconvinced by the hasbara talking points) of Israel's ongoing crimes against the Palestinians. I personally know many people that were pro-Israel until now. In the end, I'll welcome any person that has opened their eyes. We can only afford to look forward, for the sake of the Palestinians
@Nicolas-rg1zl
@Nicolas-rg1zl Місяць тому
Sad that a journalist just became aware of Hamas charter change yesterday ... Those people are supposed to inform and educate us.
@moalllivesmatter
@moalllivesmatter Місяць тому
Exactly my thought.... many of these so called journalists are just entertainers, we have more knowledge and understanding about many foreign affairs than them because they are under the thumb of their paymasters
@silversurfer1446
@silversurfer1446 Місяць тому
Notice how they always talk about the charter but never show it the actual quotes from it? Because it wouldn't fit the narrative
@Bloomies3
@Bloomies3 Місяць тому
Quite ironic, man is comparing Hamases act to Netenyahus. I don’t think you’ve seen an older Palestinian woman shaking hands with Netenyahu. But we have seen the Israeli Jewish woman shaking hands with Hamases soldier. Think about that for a moment before comparing the two.
@Yahoo273
@Yahoo273 Місяць тому
A Palestinian woman shaking the hand of an occupying power? Your daft!
@edwardkent
@edwardkent Місяць тому
I have started boycotting any product or service that has anything to do with Israel or links to Israel, I'm in my 60s and have never done anything like that in my life, I urge others to do the same, i'm in the process of changing one of my pension funds for this reason.
@missburn
@missburn Місяць тому
It's interesting you are saying that because a lot of UKposts channels nowadays are sponsored by Better Help and that is a company created by a former IDF person. I wonder how many people including the ones accepting the sponsorship know that. The Kavernacle made a video about it recently, it's called something along the lines of "Bad companies".
@Yahoo273
@Yahoo273 Місяць тому
Well done to you!
@samara6041
@samara6041 Місяць тому
Thank you for your solidarity 🤍
@Bloomies3
@Bloomies3 Місяць тому
I believe the normies tend to use the word “terrorist” without even knowing the definition of it.
@kbcaps
@kbcaps Місяць тому
Only 36 countries out of the 193 at the UN designate Hamas as a terrorist organisation and that includes the 27 from the EU. Hamas has indeed engaged in acts of terrorism be it on 07/10 or in the early 2000s but the same can be said ten times over of Israel or the US. Ultimately, there is no legal definition of what consitutes a terrorist organisation given it's a highly politically motivated subject. After all, the ANC and Mandela were designated as terrorists by the UK, the US and much of Europe...we all know how ridiculous this was. Especially when at the same time, Piochet and Saddam Hussein were allies of the West!
@Bloomies3
@Bloomies3 Місяць тому
@@kbcaps very well said sir
@juheinaakleh7568
@juheinaakleh7568 Місяць тому
And Israel is not terror state? Just wondering
@eddiemac2650
@eddiemac2650 Місяць тому
100 % correct
@juheinaakleh7568
@juheinaakleh7568 Місяць тому
@@eddiemac2650 thank you. Really sickening
@josemadrid2913
@josemadrid2913 Місяць тому
The ANC in South Africa had a military wing that committed terrorist attacks. For a while they had Nelson Mandela. Mandela even called himself a terrorist for that time. We all know what happened in the early 90’s
@peegee2024
@peegee2024 Місяць тому
And, they resorted to armed resistance after decades of nonviolent resistance being met by the most brutal reprisals by the South African apartheid regime. Also, the latter was provided with arms by the US, UK, France and Germany, which practice continued illicitly even after sanctions were imposed by the UN. So many parallels to the Palestinian struggle, which illustrate the hypocrisy of the so-called West.
@margaretmcguire8952
@margaretmcguire8952 Місяць тому
​Izzy also supported the the government in SA until the bitter end. That's why SA would not stand idly by and brought the case against them to the ICJ. They never forgot what Izzy did and neither will the rest of the world after what we have witnessed over the last 6 months ​@@peegee2024
@sonasp1961
@sonasp1961 Місяць тому
Initially i felt sympathy for the Israeli people, it astonished me that the Israeli government which was supposed to have one of the best intelligence in the world - let this massacre unfold. However, I've done a full 360 degree, after the way Netanyahu has handled this, it makes you wonder what the Palestinians have been going through prior, how they have been treated. I think the wool had been put over our eyes but now it's clear to see. The Palestinian people (mostly children) have been suffering and this was an excuse to wipe them out. Dreadful, can't believe i live in the West and my country has supported this.
@Yahoo273
@Yahoo273 Місяць тому
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@hf7553
@hf7553 Місяць тому
180 not 360 …
@gri7
@gri7 Місяць тому
How are we 6 months in and this host is just learning that the Hamas Charter was updated
@FawazShalan
@FawazShalan Місяць тому
As soon as the caller starts criticizing Israel, the interviewer immediately interrupts him and brings up 7th Oct. is this fair reporting
@ru76224
@ru76224 Місяць тому
Second caller.. Qatari's are bank rolling Ha..mas.. The US is bank rolling the I.D.F, but not only with money, but also 2000lbs bo...mbs..
@summer5145
@summer5145 Місяць тому
As Matthew mentioned there has been a revision to the hms charter but MSM never talk about it. The people who put together the 80s version are mostly not around and the 2020s version is under the current regime. The same MSM though are happy to ignore the current Likud party charter which is worse than all these charters put together!
@trulymental7651
@trulymental7651 Місяць тому
My opinion hasn't changed, I am just glad many other people have changed theirs. After 75 years of one sided reporting it is encouraging.
@amtullahdawah1239
@amtullahdawah1239 Місяць тому
I’m a Muslim and I agree with the Jewish male; thank you for being fair and truthful
@doggieclaude
@doggieclaude Місяць тому
We are all human beings first, and we all want to live in peace and for our families to be safe. We have more in common than the media would want us to think
@drfunkypunk
@drfunkypunk Місяць тому
Absolutely. I have a Jewish friend & i consider him almost like family. It's Zionism, the actions of the Israeli government & their enablers which I detest.
@Yahoo273
@Yahoo273 Місяць тому
Why is it right that he calls Hamas terrorists but not Israel? Israel is invading someone else’s lands and killing them… that is terrorism!
@robinuk1949
@robinuk1949 29 днів тому
It's great he has turned his view around, but that Hamas leaders son he listens to is fanatical
@daveaustin1093
@daveaustin1093 Місяць тому
I wished the caller study the history of Palestine from 1948 to 1958,1968,1978,and go and on till 6th of October by professor Ilan Pappe the Israeli Historian, by Professor Avi Shlaim the Jewish British Historian, by Daniel Levy adviser to Israeli government. You will find the truth.
@VintageBabyOx
@VintageBabyOx Місяць тому
Right, we see a glimpse of what happened when they admitted it during the Tantura documentary outside of Palestinian sources and that's just one village. Also the Zionist terrorist groups that led to the creation of the state like Stern, Irgun, Lehi and Haganah formed into what we is now the IDF.
@GreenLifeMotivation
@GreenLifeMotivation Місяць тому
Please can someone do a session on what's happening in Al-shifa hospital, where we are seeing all crimes imaginable happening against Palestinians.
@Applied_Theory
@Applied_Theory Місяць тому
The ethno-religious colonial project in Palestine has miserably failed. The chosen people could not succeed where the master race failed.
@meanjustine8266
@meanjustine8266 Місяць тому
My view of Isreal hasn't changed since Rachel Corrie. Also, I don't view Netanyahu or the IDF as "Israel".
@shalimar1792
@shalimar1792 Місяць тому
Wright is right..Thank you for the 2nd caller .who is jewish but is showing such Humanity and intelligence...
@vincentray5226
@vincentray5226 Місяць тому
Two wrongs don't make a right, and two wrongs won't right a wrong.
@Ryan-gh4iz
@Ryan-gh4iz Місяць тому
The critisism of Hamas has died away because Israel have proportionally out-terrorised them since October 2023
@joostroeters9087
@joostroeters9087 Місяць тому
If someones isn’t changed since 7 October thatcan be explained by a person already knew from the beginning that the Israeli soldiers are cruel monsters or a person is a monster and agrees irrespectable all the warcrimes committed.
@iliassbalboul9553
@iliassbalboul9553 Місяць тому
The comparison with Allied bombing doesn't stand, the allied were facing an equal force, and they didn't have the precision weapons available today. Israel( which is a nuclear state) claiming that it's existence might be in danger by a militia is simply Preposterous. Hamas is some 40k strong, did an incursion of a few hours within israel following a 17 years blockade, incursion still unexplainable given the means at israelis disposal...
@nodgelyobo1
@nodgelyobo1 Місяць тому
Where in the bible does it say that the British govt would give Israel to the J's?
@etiennebunbury1285
@etiennebunbury1285 Місяць тому
They haven’t gone to save the hostages
@cheng006
@cheng006 Місяць тому
We were never really aware of the extent of apartheid being practised in Israel. Isreal has managed so well to conceal their crimes
@leavesinautumn5959
@leavesinautumn5959 Місяць тому
The narrative is that this all began last October, but hundreds of Palestinians had been killed that year already. The implication behind that narrative being that the lives of Palestinian victims are worth less than those of Israeli victims and that is very dangerous. The result of this way of thinking has played itself out in Gaza over the last few months.
@SkylarTheWriter
@SkylarTheWriter Місяць тому
People really need to research the history of Palestine and how it was basically invaded by what would be Israel, with the support of Britain and the United States. Also, Israel had done air strikes on Gaza for THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS two weeks before October 7th. 2023 was also had the highest recorded number of Palestinians killed by the IDF in the West Bank with 492 killed, including 120 Palestinian children. We talk so much about the 7th, but people either don't know or ignore the violence that Israel has been committing against Palestine FOR DECADES.
@FBUK
@FBUK Місяць тому
My views haven't changed because of Oct 7th. I've always considered Israel of apartheid crime. It's well documented. But all one has to do is listen to respected Israeli/Jewish historians and academics. Their insight into how Israeli policies hurt the people of Palestine in every possible dimension possible is horrendous.
@pest_4109
@pest_4109 Місяць тому
This journalist was unaware that Hamas updated its charter. What kind of journalists are these?
@kbram7363
@kbram7363 Місяць тому
the occupier can’t complain about the resistance
@paulbeel8358
@paulbeel8358 Місяць тому
I think your focus on October 7th is juvenile. Your audience is more sophisticated by now. We ALL know this started before October 7th. Get with it and stop appealing to the lowest common denominator. The common denominator has risen.
@mamoonhanif7069
@mamoonhanif7069 Місяць тому
We can’t ignore October 7th but we can ignore 75 years of Jew occupation of Palestine right?!
@johnbekoe2973
@johnbekoe2973 Місяць тому
Well spoken Woody and thanks for your concern about innocent and helpless people in both sides
@anakoz
@anakoz Місяць тому
Thanks for bringing up northern ireland because I don't think people are as informed enough about Palestine and the history and just look at the 'hamas are terrorists' narrative without actually looking at the causes.
@certified2166
@certified2166 Місяць тому
We got to stop comparing wars it's no justification for innocent ppl to die 1 innocent death is 2 much on both sides.
@Mr---mr4ll
@Mr---mr4ll Місяць тому
Decades?? 😂😂😂 mate in 5 yrs time the 80 yr curse kicks in… zio bongo bongo land will be no more 😂
@Victor_James68
@Victor_James68 Місяць тому
Not many people dare to mention that curse..
@Mr---mr4ll
@Mr---mr4ll Місяць тому
@@Victor_James68 not many know about it…. But you can bet you’re very expensive mortgage that they know about it… 😂
@aafiaturkey6748
@aafiaturkey6748 Місяць тому
Never in the history of war has an entire population been forced into starvation.
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