How Thermodynamics Holds Back Negative Carbon Tech

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Direct Air Capture (DAC) has been getting more and more attention over the last few years. Could we avert climate change by pulling carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere? Could we not just stop, but actually reverse the damage done? Unfortunately, most don't fully appreciate just quite how much CO2 we've emitted and the outrageous scale of the problem facing us. Today, we apply the fundamental principles of thermodynamics to question whether this is even feasible.
Written & presented by Prof. David Kipping. Edited by Jorge Casas. Fact checking by Alexandra Masegian.
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REFERENCES
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► Long-Innes, R. & Struchtrup, H. 2022, "Thermodynamic loss analysis of a liquid- sorbent direct air carbon capture plant", Cell Reports Physical Science, 3, 100791: www.sciencedirect.com/science...
► Ozkan, M. et al., 2022, "Current status and pillars of direct air capture technologies", iScience, 25, 103990: www.sciencedirect.com/science...
► Sanz-Perez E. S. et al., 2016, "Direct Capture of CO2 from Ambient Air", Chem. Rev., 116, 11840: pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs....
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CHAPTERS
0:00 Climate Change
2:44 Removal Requirements
3:38 Possible Solutions
5:03 Introducing DAC
5:43 Climate Anxiety
7:12 DAC Principles
8:14 Scalability
9:29 Thermodynamics
12:08 Progressive DAC
13:32 RCPs
15:09 Simulations
17:03 Energy Requirements
19:34 Efficiency
21:21 Conclusions
24:35 Outro and credits
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@Mr_Stone1
@Mr_Stone1 7 місяців тому
There is also research into capturing co2 bound in sea water, where it's concentration is much higher (sCS^2 process). Which would in turn reduce the co2 in our atmosphere, because they can use their giant surface area to bind more. Additionally, the co2 would be bound in limestone instead of gaseous form.
@thelaughinghyenas8465
@thelaughinghyenas8465 7 місяців тому
It would also turn the ocean into fizzy soda pop water, giving it a high enough level of carbonic acid that many animals like clams and corals would have a much harder time.
@divat10
@divat10 7 місяців тому
​@@thelaughinghyenas8465i think you misunderstood he is talking about removing co2 from the ocean because it is easier than from the air. The co2 levels in the ocean itself would stay the same because the co2 in the air would get dissolved in the sea
@Mr_Stone1
@Mr_Stone1 7 місяців тому
@@thelaughinghyenas8465 Quite the opposite, that is what is what is being removed. Unfizzling the ocean and binding it in limestone, to put it in your words.
@thelaughinghyenas8465
@thelaughinghyenas8465 7 місяців тому
@@Mr_Stone1 , While scrubbing the ocean has the advantage of lower ambient temperatures much of the time, what will the disruption of all the ocean DAC plants and the servicing of them be to fish?
@MrTaxiRob
@MrTaxiRob 7 місяців тому
@@thelaughinghyenas8465 first of all it would be a local effect, like increased salinity around desalination plants. Second to scale it up enough to have an effect on ocean plant life would take centuries of constant effort. So to your point, the answer is none.
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
I’m fortunate to have a lot of smart viewers out there and some of you picked up on an error: forests capture 10 tCO2 *per year*, whereas the video implied this was total. Although this doesn’t really affect the main point of this video (which is calculating DAC thermodynamics limits), I wanted to address this regardless! So how does this affect things? Well the 10 tCO2/yr number isn’t trivially scalable because forests eventually mature. Bastin et al. (2019) investigated this (www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aax0848) and found that there’s about 0.9 billion hectares of arable land that could be potentially forested which would capture 205 GtC = 752 GtCO2. For comparison, in RCP8.5, by 2050 we’d need to remove 540(1310) GtCO2 to reach 450(350) ppm levels. By 2300 this becomes 11946(12717) GtCO2. So in RCP8.5 this is definitely not a long term solution. For RCP4.5 these numbers are better, we’re looking at 385(1156) GtCO2 long term to reach 450(350) ppm. So a hot 450ppm level with aggressive carbon cuts plus a billion new hectares of forests is a viable outcome. But of course with only 0.9 Gha sequestering ~9Gt/yr, its just not fast enough to offset our current emissions and thus CO2 levels would rise for decades still, and of course that’s where DAC comes in, with mechanical trees being 1000x more efficient at sequestration (eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-environment/2022/04/22/asu-researcher-builds-mechanical-tree-capture-carbon-dioxide/7398671001/ ) than trees (hence no need for a billion hectares of land, but instead a lot of power). Either way, it’s going to require a huge change to our planet. No silver bullets. Thanks everyone!
@PherPhur
@PherPhur 2 місяці тому
"According to a Cambridge University researcher, a hectare of hemp can absorb between 8 - 15 tonnes of CO2. In comparison, forests capture 2 - 6 tonnes only depending on the type of trees, region, etc." We're not even talking about some of the most efficient ways to remove CO2 regarding plants. There is also a particular tree that does twice what even hemp can do, then you have to factor in the fact that you can increase that by adding ivy which also protects the tree. Additionally none of this is taking into account selective breeding to increase these plants ability to serve this particular purpose. Also hemp is a great alternative to many plants we already use for textiles and other materials. Edit: A combination of many methods is so much more powerful than people realize, reducing oil usage(whether we like it or not this is going to be forced upon us by limited supply and increased prices), forests, popular hemp and marijuana farms(new cash crop), DACs, ect.
@amertestas5044
@amertestas5044 7 місяців тому
Renewables + nuclear - the way to go
@jlight7346
@jlight7346 7 місяців тому
Just go all in on nuclear until we’ve eliminated the need for all forms of carbon based electricity generation. Then we can start to switch over to renewables. I’m pretty sure it’s cheaper per unit of energy generated to favor heavy use of nuclear power although I haven’t checked the most recent numbers.
@JenniferA886
@JenniferA886 7 місяців тому
Renewables? Really?
@zwerko
@zwerko 7 місяців тому
@@JenniferA886 Nothing wrong with renewables, it's just that we cannot scale them as fast as our energy needs are to ween off the fossil train before it's too late... Nuclear now, we'll think later on how to make that a bit more sustainable when we do not have as much pressure from global warming...
@jamalisujang2712
@jamalisujang2712 7 місяців тому
​@@zwerko Renewables energy yield is dogshit.
@ddos87
@ddos87 7 місяців тому
its not going to be one solution. as an optimization problem, we need to evaluate all these energy sources. clean energy profiles will differ per region. look at the LCOE per geographic location and you will understand why
@jrfish007
@jrfish007 7 місяців тому
Did my PhD on CCUS and have been working in the area in various capacities for last 15 years. DAC is the absolute hardest way to do CO2 removal, but likely needs to be done. The good thing is that regeneration of the sorbent or solvents can be done with low grade heat, in places like TX it might even be done via solar heat not needing electric at all. Unfortunately, compressing the CO2 for storage is also quite consuming. The other major issue is moving the air through the device. The chemistry is fairly easy to understand, but the engineering for reduction of energy is quite hard.
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations 7 місяців тому
It would be great if we could transform the residue in something useful, like carbon fiber or something else.
@zaar2604
@zaar2604 7 місяців тому
Please explain to me how it would sense to use energy from renewables to power fans with an efficiency of around 8% to suck CO2 out of the atmosphere when this same energy could be fed directly into the grid displacing the same amount of energy generated by fossil fuels and thus preventing more CO2 generated by burning fossil fuels being pumped into the atmosphere?
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations 7 місяців тому
​@@zaar2604As dr. Kipping mentioned in the beginning of the video, we have no option. There's no enough land to plant all the trees necessary for the job. In other words, there's ALREADY too much CO2 in the atmosphere.
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 7 місяців тому
Should have done a year in economics first so you could have then focused on something else that would also have been useless because you didn't do a year in sociology. You may as well have worked on free wireless electricity for muggers.
@zaar2604
@zaar2604 7 місяців тому
@@MCsCreations maybe you try to address my question please?
@randalljsilva
@randalljsilva 7 місяців тому
Advanced nuclear, nuclear, nuclear!! Even though you didn’t mention the word once or show a picture of one, your entire video is actually an advertisement for advanced molten salt nuclear reactors. You successfully argued we need way more energy than we currently generate in order to terraform our own planet (whatever direction it needs to go) and that must be clean, safe, and simple-ergo molten salt nuclear reactors that first burn our current stockpiles of nuclear waste and then burn thorium.
@hgbugalou
@hgbugalou 7 місяців тому
This. The key to all our problems is massive energy production. Nuclear energy, even if we are just stuck with fission processes, provides the scale of energy production possible for these more fantastic solutions like DAC and mass scale water desalination. It also allows us to produce all hydrocarbons synthetically without the drilling and such. I don't understand why we are wasting time with things like EVs while we continue burning fossil fuels for power plants. The first nation to go all in on nuclear power is going to be tomorrow's superpower. Sure it's expensive, but part of that is because economies of scale cannot take hold when we build so few plants. More over the next gen plants are cheaper to build, maintain, and are safer if only we would fund and build them.
@donaldhobson8873
@donaldhobson8873 7 місяців тому
Ergo solar. You just lay out silicon in the sun. No moving parts. Tech is on a rapid exponential cost curve. The sun produces far more energy than we need to do all this terraforming. If we could capture all the sunlight hitting earth, and use it all to capture CO2, we would need 37 minutes of the suns light.
@hgbugalou
@hgbugalou 7 місяців тому
@@donaldhobson8873 If it was that simple, sure but its not. Solar panels rapidly degrade and a very good lifetime for a solar plant is 10 years before all the panels need replaced. This is 1/5 the life time of even old school nuclear plants. Solar also has huge non-conditionary environmental impacts needing an order of magnitude more real estate to produce the equivalent energy of a nuclear plant. This is land that will need roads maintained for access, critters killed in traps/poisons to avoid damage via wire gnawing and nesting in components . The land will need an army of landscapers to keep the grass/plants at bay and even in a desert to keep the sand dunes from burying panels. Run off from these huge swaths will likely effect watersheds negatively. Then there is the much more intense equipment maintenance needed just due to all the travel and individual components involved in rectification and energy management and transport. Then there are the megatons of mined copper needed for all the individual solar panel interconnects. Solar can also not scale with demand which is critical for any power generation and lithium ion battery storage cannot scale to the levels needed for global grid scale storage. Even if it did by some magic, the mining/disposal of cells is a environment nightmare and the storage plants would need an army of techs replacing cells daily. All that is not to say I think solar is useless. It has a part to play and I think it is much better than wind. That said, it will never be 100% of our power generation and will likely never top 30% of it. Nuclear (augmented by solar) is really the only alternative if we want to stop burning fossil fuels.
@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy 7 місяців тому
Capturing co2 while we're still burning fossil fuels is like mopping the floor with a tissue while the bath is overflowing.
@5353Jumper
@5353Jumper 4 місяці тому
More like mopping the floor of the overflowing bathtub with a rag that was already dripping wet before you started.
@martynkentfrancis
@martynkentfrancis 7 місяців тому
Outstanding and thoughtful analysis, as always from Cool World 🙏
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
Cheers, yes quite a bit of research went into this one!
@thagrintch
@thagrintch 7 місяців тому
The amount of time, effort, research and content your pour into your videos is outstanding. Thank you, David, for your passion on this extremely important topic. You have a way with words; your writing and your delivery show exactly just how passionate you are. And of course, thanks for keeping that beautiful "Life in Binary' song going in your background music! I will be showing this video to my science students!
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
Thanks so much!
@daznis
@daznis 7 місяців тому
And yet he missed the biggest part of the equation which pretty much kills "carbon capture" is storing that stuff. Now onto what is not included in those 7% effi numbers is storing the co2 from gaseous form into something that we can "move" easily and then push under ground into oil wells. You can go 2 ways either freeze it or compress it. Now add transportation and then pumping everything underground. Oh and for comparison we will need about 2x the "space" to store the stuff we burned as 1 liter of oil after burning becomes 2 liters of co2. Carbon capture is bullshit in the long run.The planet will be fine, life will survive and people will do the same we are smart and tech will allow us to survive, but not at the billion count. Bakc when megafauna was around aka dinosaurs the co2 levels where 2-4k range. back then estimated temperature was 25-30c.
@christo930
@christo930 2 місяці тому
Are you kidding? He's just making stuff up. He doesn't know the first thing about the climate.
@TanyaLairdCivil
@TanyaLairdCivil 7 місяців тому
It seems absurd to argue that we can double our energy production and devote all of that extra production to carbon capture. But what if we didn't dismiss it, and asked, "can we actually do this, and how could we do so cheaply?" There is one conceivable way we could solve this, that I don't see discussed much. There is a method firmly grounded in thermodynamics that we could use to generate absurd amounts of energy for relatively low costs - extremely large nuclear reactors. Fission plants are interesting in that the fuel costs are a rounding error in their overall budget. All the cost is in building the plant. But fission reactors, like any heat engine, tend to be more efficient the larger you make them. And in particular, they tend to be cheaper the larger you make them. There's a reason the nuclear industry has tended towards large GW-scale reactors. These are the economies of scale needed to make fission practical. But what if we went larger? A lot larger. Orders of magnitude larger. Imagine if we built terawatt-scale fission reactors. Think of how cheap we could make large amounts of energy if we were able to build such massive reactors. Why hasn't anyone done this before? Because for most cases, it's not practical. A TW-scale reactor is largely useless for the electricity market. Even if it can make electricity for a very low unit cost, there simply won't be a TW's worth of electricity demand within a reasonable distance. You would have to ship that energy hundreds or even thousands of kilometers, and line losses would eat you alive. Even though monster reactors might be able to produce huge amounts of energy cheaply, we don't use them because the market within a practical transmission distance can't soak up a TW's worth of production. But CCS is one of the few cases where such monster reactors might actually make sense. You avoid crippling line losses by building your monster reactor right next door to your big CCS plant. And you can put your CCS equipment almost anywhere (or anywhere suitable geology exists.) So in principle we could construct some monster reactor and CCS plant right next door to a uranium or thorium mine, power all the mining and processing equipment with said reactor, and make the whole process as efficient as possible by minimizing transportation needs. We have access to the energy needed to do this. The US has alone has enough depleted uranium sitting in warehouses that we could probably cover the whole process with this. And beyond that, reactors can be built to work off thorium, natural uranium, etc. Ideally, you would design such a reactor to specifically meet the needs of large-scale CCS. For example, you might design them to operate with unenriched uranium and thorium, large breeder reactors. Also, you might be able to skip the electricity production process entirely. As you note, often for CCS most of the energy budget goes into heating whatever compound your plant uses to absorb CO2. So you could have a plant that has a primary cooling loop going through the reactor core, passes through a heat exchanger, and gives the water to a second fluid loop that provides the heat needed for the CCS equipment. You could design the reactor to primarily serve as just a heat source directly, and thus avoid the large thermodynamic losses necessary in thermal electricity production. And you can go further. When you start really thinking on this scale, a lot of things become possible. For example, it's likely there isn't a foundry in the world that can build reactor vessels large enough to make such monster TW reactors. But when you're thinking on this scale, simply building the necessary foundry, right on site, to produce such vessels becomes a practical option. You avoid the transportation nightmare of transporting a TW reactor vessel long distance by building your reactor vessel foundry right on site. If we want to seriously talk about atmospheric CCS, we're talking on a scale that involves dedicating a few percentage of total global GDP to the project. And when you start thinking on that scale, all sorts of options open up. If the technology to do what you need hasn't ever been scaled to the necessary level, you have the funds to scale it. If a foundry that can build a reactor vessel large enough doesn't exist, you can build that foundry. If enough nuclear engineers and technicians to run such a complex don't exist, you can pay the entire education cost of an entire cohort of students to get the training they need. It's a bit like the original Manhattan Project. Building a nuclear weapon in 1940 seemed impossible, the logistics were insurmountable. But when you start throwing around a budget big enough to construct entire cities from scratch, a lot of things that were once impossible suddenly become possible.
@72APTU72E
@72APTU72E 7 місяців тому
Very interesting thoughts, I worry though about cooling such a monster, and the potential impact of such a steam column. Though surely it can't be much worse than a rain forest springing up where there wasn't one.
@TanyaLairdCivil
@TanyaLairdCivil 7 місяців тому
@@72APTU72E Yeah just turning such a beast on could significantly alter local weather patterns wherever you built it. This is definitely a "lesser of two evils' idea. Creating a new artificial microclimate somewhere isn't something I would generally endorse. But when weighing against the dire nature of our situation, it may be a cost worth paying. However, it might not actually require an ocean's worth of cooling water though. The CCS equipment seems to work on much lower temperatures than most reactors run at, so a lot of that thermal energy will go right into the absorption process. But moreover, you might be able to just rely on air cooling for such a thing. Air cooling a TW reactor? Seems absurd right? But in this one context, it might not be. After all, you're already building utterly gigantic fan setups to move the huge volumes of air needed. Once you pull the CO2 out of your air stream, you could then use that air stream as the final cold sink for your reactor. Normally, air-cooling a nuclear reactor is pretty absurd. Generally using a big body of water as your cold sink is a much more practical option. But since you're already going to have to be moving huge quantities of air anyway, using that massive air stream as your cold sink would probably be viable.
@SAPANNow
@SAPANNow 7 місяців тому
This is fascinating. Do you do videos on the topic? Would love to learn more from you on this idea of enormous economies of scale for fission and CCS.
@TanyaLairdCivil
@TanyaLairdCivil 7 місяців тому
I haven't yet, but I have considered it in the past. @@SAPANNow
@SAPANNow
@SAPANNow 7 місяців тому
@@TanyaLairdCivil well I'm subscribing to you in case you decide to in the future. You sound like a good science communicator.
@Scrogan
@Scrogan 7 місяців тому
Pasture naturally absorbs a lot of CO2 and doesn’t decay. Hadrian’s wall looks so short today because the earth around it has risen, that stored carbon right there. Pasture is a quicker carbon sink than forests are, but the Kyoto protocol doesn’t measure carbon absorption by plants that are too small, so everyone focuses on trees instead. Creative accounting has permeated the world with the wrong incentives.
@jonathanedwardgibson
@jonathanedwardgibson 7 місяців тому
Bill Gates & the tech-bros will never give up their jets and orbital selfies. Think King “Terra Carta” Charles will give away his collection of racing motorcycles, or empty his garages full of sports cars? Malthusian blue-bloods want their colonies back and believe they’ve worked-out Sustainable Slavery via the WEF pushing ESG protection rackets, “Gee mister ‘xec that’s a nice corporate bond-rating you have there - be a shame if something Bud Light happened to it.” Net Zero = Poverty. These mother-WEFers are not even touching the infrastructure required - no mention of Base Load, lithium, cobalt, on and on, there is no logistics. Your on your own, kid. There was never a plan, just scams: everyone on Gore’s Hockey-Schtick team are now OG multi-multi-millionaires, including Micheal-the-pious-Mann. Greens don’t appear on media to argue, never Oxford-style debate, or talk about this except as one-way sermons and long-format movies, speeches, friend-of-show talks, because people rightly refuse this nonsense.
@bruv-lz4fh
@bruv-lz4fh Місяць тому
A quick google search tells me its 2,6T from trees and 1T from pasture both per acre Not a expert but rather interested Are my numbers wrong?
@zerochance8581
@zerochance8581 7 місяців тому
Profound video. Thoughtful, compassionate, scientifically/technically on point, and well spoken. Beautifully done.
@beng9174
@beng9174 3 місяці тому
Exactly this! Thx for putting my thoughts into words 🙏
@zigajavornik1026
@zigajavornik1026 7 місяців тому
As an automation engineer I wish that I would see work opertunity to work on these issues... Thanks for harsh reality and a good video.
@ADINSX3
@ADINSX3 7 місяців тому
Video was released 8 minutes ago*. Within those 8 minutes, 10 climate-change-denial comments were posted, the earliest being posted within 3 minutes of the video's release. Video is 25 minutes long. Tells me everything I need to know about climate-change deniers. *: not counting the time it took for me to read the comments and post this one
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 7 місяців тому
There aren't any climate change deniers...
@nicolasolton
@nicolasolton 7 місяців тому
There was apparently a reply to your post, but when one goes to read it, it is not there?
@ADINSX3
@ADINSX3 7 місяців тому
@@nicolasolton Yeah no idea. Whatever the reply was, I never saw it. Might have been a spambot.
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 7 місяців тому
@@ADINSX3 - it's mostly people reporting comments they don't like as criminal - it takes a couple of days for youtube to check - but for the duration? nobody else can see the comment.
@ADINSX3
@ADINSX3 7 місяців тому
@@JohnnyWednesday I doubt that's what happened in this case, as I've been on youtube the entire time since I posted my comment, and I get notifications whenever I get a reply. I saw yours within a minute of it being posted, for example. So the invisible comment would have had to have racked up multiple reports within a minute or so of being posted. And it would have had to have become such a target despite being a sub-comment to a comment on a video that only has 2.7k views so far. Seems highly unlikely.
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
Thanks for watching! Check out our sponsor betterhelp.com/coolworlds for 10% off your first month of therapy with BetterHelp and get matched with a therapist who will listen and help. Let me know down below your thoughts on DAC - do you think efficiency will increase far above 8%? Do you think we'll use fission/fusion power to meet power demands in time? Or do you think DAC won't work and we'll need another solution.
@niiice8622
@niiice8622 7 місяців тому
Nice 👍
@PXAbstraction
@PXAbstraction 7 місяців тому
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@annocraft
@annocraft 7 місяців тому
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@Dr.RiccoMastermind
@Dr.RiccoMastermind 7 місяців тому
Ots already clear that CCT will and can not save us. However, did you really got the math right, regarding natural land and ocean sink capazities? Your numbers seem very high up to 2050 Why would we need such linearly increasing carbon capture capacities? Because of assumed continued world wide growth of economy and increasing carbon emissions? Nowadays human CO2 emissions are estimated to be 40 Gt, half of which might be already "captured" or stored in land and ocean sinks
@woodypigeon
@woodypigeon 7 місяців тому
You are so passionate about this topic you're even using it to peddle therapy bullshit for an extra buck or two. This is why humanity deserves it's fate.
@adammanneh4692
@adammanneh4692 7 місяців тому
Wasn't expecting a new Cool Worlds video, on this rainy Tuesday evening! ☺
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
Hope its a welcome surprise!
@joshuagharis9017
@joshuagharis9017 7 місяців тому
Always a fantastic day when David and the team release a new video 😊
@palakaman
@palakaman 7 місяців тому
Maybe installing DAC on or around factories where the concentrations are highest and using some of the waste heat from productions to reach that 100C temp. But in the end I think DAC is going to be a bandaid and buy us time for better technologies to be developed.
@johgude5045
@johgude5045 7 місяців тому
LOL, so you do not want to captrue the CO2 directly at the exhaust, but some hundred meters away? Loosing a lot of efficiency? Please explain that to me
@donaldhobson8873
@donaldhobson8873 7 місяців тому
DAC is a way of fixing past damage if we figure out some source of super abundant cheap energy.
@I.C.Weiner
@I.C.Weiner 7 місяців тому
​@@donaldhobson8873Nuclear?
@Jolielegal
@Jolielegal 7 місяців тому
Great video as always. But you really need to balance the audio levels better. The background music is too loud.
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
Sorry my fault. In an early draft I couldn’t hear the music to increase volume but didn’t check the entire video music levels after. Will make sure to check next time 👍
@SnaketheJake87
@SnaketheJake87 7 місяців тому
Children’s anxiety comes from the adults. There is more to this story than we know. And I’m sure that the truth has been inflated. Let’s just start at nuclear.
@Inug4mi
@Inug4mi 7 місяців тому
Thank for this video, Dr. Kipping, I don’t know much about the ins and outs of DAC but I figured the outcomes would look pretty bleak and I wasn’t surprised about that. It definitely would be nice to just stop emitting altogether, but I highly doubt that’s going to happen any time soon, especially with no other completely economically accessible alternatives. Hopefully a combination of these technologies and a different way of viewing society may help in solving this crisis. 🙏
@tomaszpowroznik9948
@tomaszpowroznik9948 7 місяців тому
What about simpler solutions? In particular, promoting healthy soils? Due to their degradation, they often exhibit a sizeable carbon deficit relative to historical levels and so there is a significant potential for them to re-store large amounts of carbon by simply improving their quality
@Haskellerz
@Haskellerz 7 місяців тому
Planting trees costs 2x to 10x less and captures the same amount of CO2. It is also way simpler
@glynnec2008
@glynnec2008 7 місяців тому
Yes, even something as simple as spreading crushed rock (serpentine) onto agricultural land will sequester CO2 over time.
@tomaszpowroznik9948
@tomaszpowroznik9948 7 місяців тому
​@@Haskellerz ​ not sure if you mean soil or DAC @glynnec2008 but use of serpentine would not work on global scale According to OECD, "net soil carbon sequestration on agricultural lands could offset 4% of annual global human-induced GHG emissions over the rest of the century" so I guess it is one of more important solutions Just for comparison: increasing current carbon content in arable lands by 1% would mean additional 1.26B t of C being stored (it is 12% of yearly global emissions of CO2 converted into pure C). Assuming that a single tree sequesters 45 t of C over its lifetime it is comparable to 28M trees If anyone wants to learn more I highly recommend watching this video: "What is Carbon Sequestration, Why is it Important, & How does it Work? | GEO GIRL "
@geoffworley5275
@geoffworley5275 7 місяців тому
Yes, trees are the simple and obvious solution. But the agenda is the advancement of SST; subsidy sequestration technology. So please be quiet, dont interrupt the Grift.
@Karagoth444
@Karagoth444 7 місяців тому
Liquid Air storage for grid scale energy storage has a neat side effect. You will get frozen co2 as a side effect, that you can then capture or use in some innovative Cement or steel processing that need a carbon source.
@larra_bird6803
@larra_bird6803 7 місяців тому
I've been thinking about this a lot since I've been taking a course on it in college this semester, excited to hear what this is all about
@Nightscape_
@Nightscape_ 7 місяців тому
I am happy I don't watch news or talk politics, I never have to think about climate change. I just go about my life, trying to join the middle-class homeowners and not die in poverty.
@oregonsbragia
@oregonsbragia 7 місяців тому
And yet here you are feeling the need to leave a comment. Ignorance is bliss.
@RoySchl
@RoySchl 7 місяців тому
a sunshade sounds more realistic now. I think in reality we will not only rely on 1 solution for this problem, but many different ones all contributing something, so we will probably not scale 1 solution up to this amount. anyway I'll be in my O'Neil Cylinder.
@gekkobear1650
@gekkobear1650 7 місяців тому
What about using less energy and decentralizing supply chains/power/human populations. Can those be in the list of solutions?
@MrMichiel1983
@MrMichiel1983 6 місяців тому
​@@gekkobear1650 "What about using less energy" Sure, but not when that asks other people to focus less on growth, whereas other people still do. It's about who uses less power and how they manage to do that whilst still producing the same amount of wealth. "Decentralizing supply chains" indeed can be part of the solution for locally produced goods. Yet many goods rely on a global entwined supply system that will not be broken down, so those must reduce emissions and pollution on their own. Decentralizing power makes a lot of sense as this also improves the wealth of the populace (no more monthly heating bill - after you paid for the panels and heat pump). Decentralizing populations is to be determined at an individual level mostly. For example, think of having to move for the 3 gorges dam.. Not very sustainable from your point of view. People can decide for themselves to live away from city centers when that becomes economically viable for them (through proper public and private transit options for example - stuff we should do anyway even without a particularly friendly outlook).
@feynstein1004
@feynstein1004 7 місяців тому
So....what happens to the CO2 that gets separated by DAC?
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
Great question, one for another video perhaps, I didn’t want to go over 30 mins. But in short likely where it came from, underground
@Czeckie
@Czeckie 7 місяців тому
@@CoolWorldsLab pumping it in is gonna be at least as energy expensive as pumping it out. That should be added to the graphs
@grlcowan
@grlcowan 7 місяців тому
CO2 separated from air by the exothermic and entropy-increasing reaction Mg2SiO4 + 2 CO2 ---> 2 MgCO3 + SiO2 is captured, in the sense that it cannot easily return to the atmosphere, if it is just laid on the ground.@@CoolWorldsLab
@facemcshooty9274
@facemcshooty9274 7 місяців тому
great Video again Prof Kipping , quite enjoy the calm and collected manner in the way you approach and present the topic , will you do perhaps a Video on the recent finds of K2 -18 b aswell , perhaps a Video on that subject is stil in the pipeline
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
I posted a YT short on it, I don’t chase news as it’s just feels too low bar, anyone can do that, but doing original calculations and provide new insights like this video seem like something more suited to what we can offer
@JenniferA886
@JenniferA886 7 місяців тому
Even if we capture the CO2, there is still methane and SO6 remaining?
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
Indeed! They don’t contribute nearly as much but still a problem
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
Indeed! They don’t contribute nearly as much but still a problem
@dominiquefortin5345
@dominiquefortin5345 7 місяців тому
One of the thing about using trees to capture CO2 (I think it has to be one of the method in our portfolio of CO2 capture) is that we have to cut trees once they have reach maturity so that their carbon do not get transformed into CO2 by rotting and store them so that we can restart a new batch of trees.
@poulhenne
@poulhenne 7 місяців тому
Actually moss is far better, since it automatically sinks into water and gets stored in oxygen free environment. It can capture 3x as much CO2 as trees, but we don't get a humanly usable product/profit from it, so noone will do it.
@dominiquefortin5345
@dominiquefortin5345 7 місяців тому
After Listening to Thunderfoot, it makes me think that that method might be too slow.
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
We should definitely use trees as a tool in our arsenal, has many other benefits, but looks very tricky to solve climate change with trees alone
@miloddvoranak8900
@miloddvoranak8900 7 місяців тому
@@CoolWorldsLab why do you need focus on trees ? Trees are not dominant in carbon capturing.
@gekkobear1650
@gekkobear1650 7 місяців тому
You should research how long that actually takes. In a well managed forest, the long living trees will be capturing more carbon every year for up to 300 years, before going into a steady state for perhaps another 300 and taking 300 more to die. "fast growing" trees are only part of the solution and timber plantations are no solution at all. Also, if you keep extracting woody biomass from a forest, you will eventually strip the soil of the nutrients the forest needs. Tree decomposition is a natural process that must be allowed to happen. It is our extractive and polluting activities that must be limited, not the healthy cycle of life in forest communities.
@gebali
@gebali 7 місяців тому
"Feet" are what you walk with. "Metres" (or meters) are what sciency people measure with. 😊
@peterclarke3020
@peterclarke3020 7 місяців тому
There are more energy efficient ways to remove CO2 from the atmosphere than this. One of the interesting ones is one kind of CO2 battery, useful for grid scale storage - which can provide both energy storage and CO2 capture. Taking in atmospheric CO2 during charging, and emitting pure CO2 during discharge - making it much easier to capture the concentrated CO2 Another interesting one, is extracting CO2 from seawater, which also ends up removing it from the atmosphere. This can be done using just a fraction of the energy compared to removing it from air.
@gregmattson2238
@gregmattson2238 7 місяців тому
thanks much for this, I was wondering the exact same thing about these devices, whether they are physically feasible. Indeed, you just gave the greatest argument for nuclear fission I could ever imagine - you can create these machines, standalone, almost completely automated and in remote locations, without needing to create all the infrastructure necessary to hook it up to the grid. They could run off primarily thermal power generated from the fission reaction and run without C02 emissions. In addition, you could use that thermal energy TO produce things like concrete and steel without needing to create electricity from it. I'd love it if you made a follow-up video describing that, where nuclear is used for direct substitution of industrial process heat and in heating for residences and buildings, as well as driving these processes.remotely and in scruibbing flue gases. and see how the math shapes up here.
@dragonmaster1500
@dragonmaster1500 7 місяців тому
It's interesting, because of the high energy requirements it seems like deploying DAC on industrial scales in locations at distance from major power generation facilities might very well work hand in hand with the recent advances in Small Modular Nuclear Reactors. Because of their smaller size and modularity these reactors can be more easily scaled up and power generation could take place right at the sight where the DAC is located without needing to worry about transmission loss or building an expensive coal power plant or an environmentally destructive dam (looking at you Site C).
@lawrenceiverson1924
@lawrenceiverson1924 7 місяців тому
You are speaking of Thorium MOLTEN Salt reactors are you not ???
@dragonmaster1500
@dragonmaster1500 7 місяців тому
@@lawrenceiverson1924 I was actually talking about the reactors currently being developed and produced by the company Last Energy in the US, as discussed in the video "Is Small, Fast & Cheap the Future of Nuclear Energy?" by: 'Undecided With Matt Ferell'. He explains the concepts and such it way better than I can without leaving a huge comment.
@ooooneeee
@ooooneeee 7 місяців тому
That's a really elegant solution: reduce the power transmission loss with already existing tech instead of having to make the CC more efficient with future tech.
@kingsavage2272
@kingsavage2272 7 місяців тому
It took us hundreds of years to get here. These ideas to get out in a few decades are simply not realistic. However the damage done by not hastening our back pedal is unfortunate
@jonathanedwardgibson
@jonathanedwardgibson 7 місяців тому
How do we mine as much copper for this green-transition as mankind has Ever Dug Up All Over Again - and that’s just for the next two decades transitioning. Meanwhile, all the easy pickings are gone with ore concentrations down 1/3 from our grandpa’s time : which means 7x-10x more dross, sludge, trailings piled up around all those self-awarded Green Trophies. There is nothing Renewable about this tech, it’s Repairable - with more petroleum needed for replacement steel and concrete parts: you cannot make more panels with solar, nor more turbines with wind. I don’t understand how these windmills are classified a turbine.
@donaldhobson8873
@donaldhobson8873 7 місяців тому
@@jonathanedwardgibson with more petroleum needed for replacement steel and concrete parts Concrete production just needs lots of heat, no petroleum. And people are working on purely electric steel refining. > you cannot make more panels with solar, nor more turbines with wind. Basically, yes you can. currently most of our energy infrastructure is fossil fuel, so we are using that.
@Williamtolduso
@Williamtolduso 7 місяців тому
Great video! My initial scepticism was proved wrong. And it's nice that I happen to TA thermodynamics this term. I'll try to use this as an example in class.
@sercerort
@sercerort 7 місяців тому
Great vid as usual! Does someone know what's the plant in the background? I've been seeing it for months and I really need to know what it is 😢
@Haskellerz
@Haskellerz 7 місяців тому
I did a small essay on Direct Air Capture for my engineering degree and it costs 2x to 10x more than planting trees to capture the same amount of CO2. Plus trees provide shelter for animals and prevent soil erosion. Direct Air Capture is not cost efficient at all for large scales
@spicychad55
@spicychad55 7 місяців тому
I hear that the ocean captures more CO2 than trees. There's too much neglect of the ocean!
@glynnec2008
@glynnec2008 7 місяців тому
The problem with trees is that they burn. Or they die and decompose back into CO2. A forest like the Amazon is in a state of equilibrium. The rate at which young trees are sequestering CO2 equals the rate at which dead trees are decomposing. The circle of life. Oceans are much more interesting, since phytoplankton sinks to the bottom when it dies. So the new generation of plankton is always sucking fresh CO2 out of the atmosphere. The stuff on the bottom slowly turns into sedimentary rock, so it is a true carbon sink on human timescales. In terms of scaling, the oceans are one of the few things on the planet that are big enough to make a difference.
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
Right the problem is scale. As discussed in the video there isn’t enough space on Earth for the amount of trees it would take.
@Cornchips392
@Cornchips392 7 місяців тому
Soil and how we treat it seems like one of the better solutions. Right now much of our agriculture removes carbon from soil through herbicides, tilling and grazing but if we change our practices it can store a lot of carbon (three times more than trees without losing arable land. It's not a one solution fix thing, obviously we will need others, but it can turn an emission practice into a sequestration one.
@poulhenne
@poulhenne 7 місяців тому
Getting farmers to change their practices to less profitable ones? To save the planet? You do know that they are Monsantoing the earth right now, it is really unrealistic they would vare about the planet as a whole. Unfortunately.
@anubis2814
@anubis2814 7 місяців тому
There is an interesting study of farming and sinking seaweed like kelp out in the middle of the ocean and since it wont break down it will just sequester at the bottom of the ocean as a carbon sink. some can double their biomass in a day and the energy would mostly come from the sun. Maintaining the farming ship and the sinker tech would be the most expensive energy which could also be powered by the sun and batteries for travel. Its one of the most promising methods I've heard about and most energy efficient.
@dmeemd7787
@dmeemd7787 7 місяців тому
Excellent, excellent video!! I appreciate anyone that covers this and can be objective in a way that doesn’t trigger everyone and gives them time to actually think! Mutually exclusive from this in the video, every single one of us needs to not fall for greenwashing…. I keep thinking of the carbon capture training, but I won’t get into something like that on here.. But this topic is very massive and very complex, and at the end of the day, I wish people would realize that a lot of solutions that would help substantially, get overlooked, delivered in a tiny little package with a bow on top of it, overlooking serious details, and/or things like nuclear, which intentionally end up having a horrific stigma attached to them… I’m really glad you talked about DAC the way you did, though, as it is definitely one of those complex in an efficient way to do it.. I also feel that we need to focus more on other greenhouse gases, other than just CO2
@Nickname006
@Nickname006 7 місяців тому
A great video! Thank you for making this. People need to understand the situation we are in. We need to come together and tackle this problem.
@psychotictactoe
@psychotictactoe 7 місяців тому
Lets be honest, certain companies put profit over the planet and governments let them.
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 7 місяців тому
In terms of money causing actions to be taken - they're one and the same thing.
@onieyoh9478
@onieyoh9478 7 місяців тому
Good.
@mitesh8utube
@mitesh8utube 7 місяців тому
Governments are elected by people. Our friends and family. If we can't convince them to elect better governments, what's happening is just part of evolution. And don't worry about earth. It's been just fine for 5 billion years. It'll survive us.
@Buckshot99
@Buckshot99 7 місяців тому
Governments interfere and make things worse. Trying to force electric vehicle les on everyone is completely idiotic and will back fire spectacularly.
@Apistevist
@Apistevist 7 місяців тому
They're legally required by the government to maximize if it's a public company.
@toddablett4493
@toddablett4493 7 місяців тому
Not often I say this...I loved this video and I hated it...Your thought process is wonderful and even the final conclusion is palatable but I will admit that it is most troubling, especially if we keep doing nothing about the problem, the scenario that worries me the most. I teach competitive robotics at the high school and University level. The bright and inspiring students I get to work with give me hope. 20 years ago I used to joke that one day they need to be as smart and creative as possible so they could be the "real" super heros and build technologies that would save lifes...turns out I may have been more on the mark than I intended, and literally they may have to save the world...but the students I work with give me hope... Thank you for the thoughtful video.
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
It’s still within our power… just
@NeilEvans-xq8ik
@NeilEvans-xq8ik 7 місяців тому
Nothing is beyond our power. Have faith in those kids. 😉
@DouglasQuattrochi
@DouglasQuattrochi 7 місяців тому
Great job as usual, thank you! I think RCP8.5 (Representative Concentration Pathway for radiative forcing of 8.5 W/m^2) was slightly misdescribed as a "business as usual, total pedal to the metal future". It's a pure physics model based on just heat balance. For policy implications, we need to look at the Shared Socioeconomic Pathways (SSPs), which model policies. Each starts with current progress as a baseline. No SSP follows RCP8.5 because it's considered too unlikely, given the progress we've made. We have made progress! But at the same time, extinction is still possible, so "pedal to the metal" could actually be *much* worse than RCP8.5, especially if we back away from Paris etc.
@donaldhobson8873
@donaldhobson8873 7 місяців тому
> extinction is still possible, so "pedal to the metal" could actually be much worse than RCP8.5, especially if we back away from Paris etc. Extinction of what? Not humans.
@antonkovalenko364
@antonkovalenko364 7 місяців тому
Interesting map. There seems to be a distinct lack of DAC plants in the two biggest polluting countries on Earth. Meanwhile, the nations who are making the attempt are being continuously battered about the head and shoulders.
@CorvetteAustin24
@CorvetteAustin24 7 місяців тому
CO2 for the most part is well distributed, so you're not going to get much more production in any random location vs one that is convenient.
@antonkovalenko364
@antonkovalenko364 7 місяців тому
@@CorvetteAustin24 I was referring to his "We all have to work together" statement. I understand how DAC works. It's just that ignoring the underlying problem feels like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound.
@Markfr0mCanada
@Markfr0mCanada 7 місяців тому
The frustrating thing to me is that we've had a major piece of the solution available to us for generations now, yet haven't used it. Further to that, the loudest opponents of its use have generally called themselves environmentalists. Nuclear energy is our best tool to take fossil fuel use offline. At this point nobody who expresses anti nuclear energy views has any credibility to call themselves an environmentalist.
@oregonsbragia
@oregonsbragia 7 місяців тому
Even if nuclear is the lesser of two evils. It’s still quite potentially bad for the environment.
@zka77
@zka77 7 місяців тому
+100
@bosstowndynamics5488
@bosstowndynamics5488 7 місяців тому
To be fair, environmentalist =/= expert
@MrSupasonics
@MrSupasonics 7 місяців тому
100%. There will be a day of fusion someday. But before fusion, nuclear power is the most reasonable choice for CO2 and almost all environmental problems we have. Next generation nuclear power generation will be much efficient and much safer. Nuclear power itself has very low carbon footprints and can support DCC power requirement without putting more carbon. Yes, we know renewable energies are becoming cheaper, but they have their own carbon footprints, and it is difficult to go massive scale. Nuclear power has already mature technology, can go massive scale, and zero carbon emission. Mining uranium can bring carbon footprint? Next gen nuclear fission plant using thorium can resolve that 100%. More and more think about this, we need to go nuclear power 100%, like right now. More usage of conventional fossil fuel power plant, more CO2. Really simple.
@bosstowndynamics5488
@bosstowndynamics5488 7 місяців тому
@@MrSupasonics Nuclear has a significant unavoidable carbon footprint in the same way renewables do, but has a much, much worse spin up time. It has a role but it isn't in any way a panacea
@stale7724
@stale7724 7 місяців тому
I loved this. I read the Ipcc as well and ran my own numbers. Even if these dacs worked… we still have a monumental roll out problem. We need to be building them yesterday at speed to meet the Ipcc targets (which of course are fantasy)
@donaldhobson8873
@donaldhobson8873 7 місяців тому
@@Rubicola174 DAC is a potentially useful tool. "Hitler was vegan" is not an argument against veganism. Association with bad people doesn't stop a technology working.
@howardrisby9621
@howardrisby9621 7 місяців тому
Wonderful analysis, thank you SO much. One thing crossing my mind is the "start date" (onset of the Industrial Revolution) may mark a step change in our ability to foul our own nest, though scarcely "Start Point", for which we need to consider slash/burn dating from the initial agricultural revolution. This assertion is evidenced by samples taken from those ice sheets currently melting at an alarming rate. In case folk feel that's doing no more than increasing the height of the cliff at which we're collectively teetering, whilst true, it likely also adds to the number of potential components of any solutions ... if everyone isn't panicking too much to play any useful part in some ultimate solution (which isn't the Anthropocene Extinction, at any rate).
@jamesgeary4294
@jamesgeary4294 7 місяців тому
I like how your analysis laid bare the complications with this mode of carbon capture. It really needs a multipronged approach on a global scale to solve it.
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
Exactly, no silver bullets here sadly
@ravenlord4
@ravenlord4 7 місяців тому
Another problem I see is the simple and direct waste heat generated by DAC (not to mention the Urban Heat Island effect of such facilities). Maybe that was already worked into the efficiency equations, but if so, it was not made clear.
@prototropo
@prototropo 7 місяців тому
Speaking of "BetterHelp," and more specifically, Prof. Kipping's videos, I have come to realize he accomplishes what he ascribed to therapy in anxious times: he and his lab, through the topics they choose to research and explicate, help us become better versions of ourselves. That won't be a new idea to longterm fans of this amazing channel. But to anyone new to Cool Worlds, please continue, whether you love astronomy, physics, the geologic history of the Earth, or the contingencies of finding exoplanets and exomoons. Because listening to the interests of Dr. Kipping, his logic in explaining new and complex ideas, and the deep, obvious humanity devoted to every issue he examines, we are inarguably given opportunities to nurture better versions of ourselves. And that is the only way to a better incarnation of this carbon-burdened planet. My own interest in Cool Worlds is a somewhat tangential interest in celestial mechanics. And supporting Cool Worlds' research lab, by sharing it with links or with a modest, monthly amount of money, is a sure trajectory and steady compass to the distant shores of a sustainable world.
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
Thanks so much for your kind words and support 🙏
@prototropo
@prototropo 7 місяців тому
@@CoolWorldsLab I'm happy & embarrassed to say "Cool Worlds" has so restored my world that my support is self-serving!
@johgude5045
@johgude5045 7 місяців тому
Just to get a better feelings of the cost: 44g of CO² equals a minimum of 19505 J or 5.42 Wh per mol of CO2 so we could suck 8.1kg per Kwh of electricity at room temperature. This is 124 kWh per ton CO2. This sounds ridiculously low to me, since if solar electricity at a price of 2 cents per kWh would be used for this, the electricity cost would be only $2.48 per ton of CO2 removed from the atmosphere. Or am i wrong somehere?
@zaar2604
@zaar2604 7 місяців тому
I asked basically the same questions in one of the comments here, nobody could could give an answer. Sucking CO2 from the atmosphere is a brain dead idea if you could use renewable energy to displace fossil fuel energy, the reduction in overall CO2 would be greater by orders of magnitude.
@johgude5045
@johgude5045 7 місяців тому
@@zaar2604 Sure. Also the 8% efficiency of the process would lead to a more realistic figure of $31/ton. Still, climateworks says that they can achieve $600 per ton to date. Anyway, reducing emissions alone wont help, we need CO2 removal as there is too much CO2 in the air and ocean already, so we have to remove it somehow
@johgude5045
@johgude5045 7 місяців тому
@@zaar2604 I found another source that give a number of 250 kWh/ton on page 50 www.sapea.info/wp-content/uploads/CCU-report-proof3-for-23-May.pdf
@donaldhobson8873
@donaldhobson8873 7 місяців тому
@@zaar2604 Sucking Co2 from the air can make sense with fossil fuel energy. The energy needed to suck up CO2 is ~3% what was released when the fossil fuel was burned. But inefficiencies.
@dmsoundcollective6746
@dmsoundcollective6746 7 місяців тому
David thank you for jumping into this topic. I first started understand the problem after listening to Bob Wells talk about it on his channel and I'm just blown away how it can be ignored. I've been to the Philippines six times now and everytime I visit there I get sick after I spend a lot of time in downtown Manila the smog is terrible... I don't think we should leave our children a Legacy of pollution and climate change
@glynnec2008
@glynnec2008 7 місяців тому
Smog is pollution. That PM2.5 and PM10 are bad news for your lungs. So are ozone, NOx and SOx. The big lie perpetrated by climate activists is to put CO2 into the same category as air pollution. The CO2 concentration in your own breath is something like 50000 ppm. You wouldn't want to inhale that, but its toxicity pales in comparison to the constituent of smog. If you're like most people, you drink *concentrated* CO2 in the form of cola, beer, and seltzers. If CO2 were actually toxic, that would be a fatal habit.
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
My pleasure, thanks for tuning in
@dmsoundcollective6746
@dmsoundcollective6746 7 місяців тому
I've been a solar superintendent now for 24 years. We need to go big on the solar Farms and to continue requiring every new house do have a base system on it. We need a lot more incentives for people to get solar I think it might help the whole deal if every house can manage its own loads... maybe I'm dreaming but it would be wonderful to see
@imacmill
@imacmill 7 місяців тому
How did you get yourself to the Philippines 'six times'? What mode of transportation?
@imacmill
@imacmill 7 місяців тому
@@dmsoundcollective6746 How much oil does it take to produce solar panels? Get down to the nitty-gritty, from mining equipment and infrastructure, to moving and feeding the people involved in the manufacturer/distribution/installation process. Then take oil out of the equation (simulating the FACT that earth will be out of oil in a couple/few human generations), and see how the whole 'renewables' paradigm shift holds up.
@jasol9245
@jasol9245 7 місяців тому
Open discussions about mitigation strategies and technologies, such as Carbon Capture & Storage (CCS) and Direct Air Capture (DAC), are crucial in raising public awareness of what could very well be humanity's last 'controllable' stand against irreversible damage to our biosphere. While these technologies offer potential solutions, they also highlight the immense energy demands and politically divisive challenges we must overcome as a global community. Climate destabilization is a threat that transcends borders, requiring united efforts on a global scale. It's truly encouraging to see the quality of scientific, data-backed conversations like this that underscore the significance of addressing climate instability as a collective endeavor.
@jamalisujang2712
@jamalisujang2712 7 місяців тому
Just surrender your house, bro. 😂😂😂 This stupid lofty dreams will not materialize when we are ruled by literal snakes. They will never practice what they preach to the peasants.
@RealHypeFox
@RealHypeFox 7 місяців тому
20:32 That scenario sounds like it'd make an amazing setting for a post-apocalyptic book/show.
@pobybuf
@pobybuf 7 місяців тому
This sounds like an excellent carbon capture plan for selling co two credits if wind farms that are down due to no demand for their power could be processing co two as a side gig , But maintenance time would have to be calculated in. And also, downtime is also needed for maintenance. So I'm sure scheduling would have to be recalculated.
@inlandbott
@inlandbott 7 місяців тому
I love the videos, but sometimes the background music makes them hard to finish. Any chance you could lower the volume a bit:) cheers!
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
Sorry will double check this next time
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 7 місяців тому
This seems like it's a problem that we can't simply avoid. It may be time to spend 1% less on weapons.
@allocater2
@allocater2 7 місяців тому
Or more and use it to bomb all coal power plants and oil refineries worldwide.
@nicolasuribestanko
@nicolasuribestanko 7 місяців тому
Sorry, Johnny. No can do. We need more weapons to make the world safe for democracy.
@ozne_2358
@ozne_2358 7 місяців тому
Good video. One thing it doesn't seem to mention is what to do with the CO2 once you pull it out of the atmosphere. Is underground storage proven/stable enough ?
@Rutars
@Rutars 7 місяців тому
My understanding is that the storage itself is probably the most proven aspect of CCS. The Sleipner project in the North Sea has been doing it since the 90s.
@johnthomasriley2741
@johnthomasriley2741 7 місяців тому
Good video. It is now clear that we need an all-hands-to-the-pumps effort, as big as the WWII effort on both sides summed up. No one application will do the whole job; everybody must do all they can; nobody gets a free ride. The big question is how bad does it have to get before we can build this team?
@dosomething3
@dosomething3 7 місяців тому
22:46 “ it could actually unify us” - that’s when I started to suspect it😂😂😂
@berndmayer3984
@berndmayer3984 7 місяців тому
unfortunately the co2 lowering oceans and also plants are not mentioned anywhere. Especially the oceans are with 10 Gt/yr a stable sink.
@asdfasdf-dd9lk
@asdfasdf-dd9lk 7 місяців тому
He literally addresses plants in the video and the tonnage of carbon they can sequester? And if the oceans are indeed a stable sink, why have they not been absorbing the measurable increase in atmospheric CO2 over the last century? Your head is in the sand.
@immortalsofar7977
@immortalsofar7977 7 місяців тому
Yup, they don't mention carbon capture by oceans. All agenda based propaganda.
@paulogden7417
@paulogden7417 7 місяців тому
So you think he is stupid? Or maybe you should do more research?
@code4chaosmobile
@code4chaosmobile 7 місяців тому
Great Video, I was wondering if there was any video's, podcast's, essay's or papers combining multiple options at CO2 capture like DAC, re-forestation, ect? How about extracting CO2 from the ocean? would it be easier? higher volume extraction compared to air?
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
Extracting CO2 from the ocean would make things a lot worse! I don’t think anyone has studied that since it would somewhat strange to seek it…
@code4chaosmobile
@code4chaosmobile 7 місяців тому
Thank you for the response. Seems counter-intuitive that c02 and carbon extraction from the oceans wouldn't help. I learned something new! Thanks again and keep these videos coming! @@CoolWorldsLab
@kenjohnson6101
@kenjohnson6101 7 місяців тому
Pre-industrial emissions were 280 ppm CO2, not 350.
@chrimony
@chrimony 7 місяців тому
How many feet did sea levels rise in the last 20,000 years? If you don't know already, the answer may surprise you. We need to be able to adapt as a species, not sacrifice ourselves to the altar of an immutable world.
@donaldhobson8873
@donaldhobson8873 7 місяців тому
Humans are real good at adapting.
@AlexandruNicolin
@AlexandruNicolin 7 місяців тому
How would the Earth fare with 750-800 ppm? To my knowledge anything about 1000 ppm would start having direct health impacts. I'm asking those questions because we're on our way there, and most solutions are just feel good vaporware, such as this carbon capture scheme.
@immortalsofar7977
@immortalsofar7977 7 місяців тому
The Cambrian period had CO2 ppm of 1400 and that resulted in the greatest growth in life in Earth's history.
@lukeearthcrawler896
@lukeearthcrawler896 7 місяців тому
Occupational limits for 8hr exposure in Minnesota set by the Dept of Labor is 10,000 ppm. For 15min it is 30,000. In many homes CO2 levels reach 1000 ppm.
@AlexandruNicolin
@AlexandruNicolin 7 місяців тому
@@immortalsofar7977 you forget that the Sun was quite a bit weaker back then, by about 7-8%. I fact I've seen many conservative "experts" totally ignore the increase in solar radiance during that period. I'm not saying that it will be necessarily bad for the planet, but for people, and human civilization, that was created during a period with remarkably stable climate.
@AlexandruNicolin
@AlexandruNicolin 7 місяців тому
@@lukeearthcrawler896 yes but between 1000-2000 ppm some people may feel sleepy and even dizzy. If the whole planet is like that *on average* imagine how much worse it will be in areas where concentration is already high now.
@patricklincoln5942
@patricklincoln5942 7 місяців тому
@@lukeearthcrawler896: Negative effects for human are known to occur at 1000ppm. In Europe, there is recommended limit of 1000ppm for indoor air quality. The air starts to feel stuffy at about 1000ppm and people are effected cognitively. No long term studies of people in a 1000oppm CO2 environment have been performed. We don't know what we are getting into at this point in time. Its scary.
@momallanimal2449
@momallanimal2449 7 місяців тому
So good, important topic & presentation! Order of magnitude is the magic key to understand this "mother of all problems"... Thank you so much.
@jbmurphy4
@jbmurphy4 7 місяців тому
I wonder is it possible to include methane capture/oxidation too since levels of methane seem to be spiking in the last few years.
@dirktermagant5629
@dirktermagant5629 7 місяців тому
Absolutely wild hom many of y'all subscribe to a science channel and get pissy when it presents you with science.
@hahtos
@hahtos 7 місяців тому
They are not actual subscribers
@gekkobear1650
@gekkobear1650 7 місяців тому
Absolutely wild that you think there's only one "The Science". Science cannot tell you what your values are. Ecological science says a lot of things about resource extraction you "science people" would be quite pissy to hear because you are in fact more into empire engineering then you are science.
@jmanj3917
@jmanj3917 7 місяців тому
6:12 Forget the "trigger warnings", Doc, and let's look at how such blowback as this occurred in the first place. After we do this we should have a better idea of what to avoid. This way, moving forward, we don't oversell an idea (or its proposed solutions) to the point where large percentages of our children are seeking mental health therapy as a result of the situation. 🤔👍🙂
@gregmattson2238
@gregmattson2238 7 місяців тому
In addition, I'd love to get your reaction and/or take on the OTHER main geoengineering possibility for saving our skins - namely spraying aerosols into the troposphere. Thunderfoot did a video on this recently and I would like to know whether or not you think his math checks out from a physics perspective.
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
I haven’t seen their videos but I might do a future video on this. I always prefer to do an independent take then pull apart someone else’s work.
@gregmattson2238
@gregmattson2238 7 місяців тому
@@CoolWorldsLab ok that's fair enough - he also has a take on CCS that IMO would be worth checking out, although if you haven't seen any of thunderfoot's videos I agree with your approach. ie: doing both videos first and only then analyzing both videos.
@kalef1234
@kalef1234 7 місяців тому
@@gregmattson2238 I think they are kind of saying the same thing. THunderf00t is just....a bit harsh on the criticism of others but he makes good points. Both agree it consumes a massive amount of energy, one that would be a big sacrifice of humanity to stop emitting too. Thunderfoot recently made a few newer videos just on the scale of climate change too, pretty good.
@networkimprov
@networkimprov 7 місяців тому
Wondering why you didn't mention the option of distributing pulverized rock to leverage the weathering effect? That entails energy expense to pulverize & distribute, but none to "operate" the rock dust thereafter :)
@kingsavage2272
@kingsavage2272 7 місяців тому
It took us hundreds of years to get here. These ideas to get out in a few decades are simply not realistic. However the damage done by not hastening our back pedal is unfortunate
@glynnec2008
@glynnec2008 7 місяців тому
@@kingsavage2272 Yes, and it will take humanity hundreds of years to fix it, or adapt to the new climate equilibrium. Meanwhile, the next asteroid or supervolcano or ice age might finish us off before then. Why are we even worried about computer models spewing out questionable forecasts about what MIGHT happen a hundred years hence? Life's too short.
@johnbarosa9872
@johnbarosa9872 7 місяців тому
We lost already! We are done for 😆
@henrypersoon
@henrypersoon 7 місяців тому
We are technically in the beginning of the ice age 1. if we did not have Co2, we will cease to exist. 2. I used to buy liquid Co2 for my greenhouses for most plants cannot survive on less that 250 ppm, after increasing my Co2 to 650 ppm, my growth increased to 37%... Note, consider ourself lucky in a global worming condition for an Ice age would be a disaster for all mankind.
@azimuth2142
@azimuth2142 7 місяців тому
Funny how the climate evangelists seem to forget that basic fact that plant life needs CO2 and lots of it. Nurses used to removed plants from hospital wards years ago because of CO2 emissions at night.
@jssomewhere6740
@jssomewhere6740 7 місяців тому
Thanks for the video, always look forward to them.
@joemarchi1
@joemarchi1 7 місяців тому
All new commercial building should have some sort of DAC system mandated for the HVAC systems. Where possible existing structures should be retrofitted. Imagine the recapture potential with a city acting like its own co2 DAC system.
@abody499
@abody499 7 місяців тому
😂too much imagining there, champ
@joemarchi1
@joemarchi1 7 місяців тому
Are you an engineer? What do you know about air handlers?
@abody499
@abody499 7 місяців тому
Enough to know those ideas will forever remain in the imagination @@joemarchi1
@JonnoPlays
@JonnoPlays 7 місяців тому
What if there was a solution that actively emitted fresh air. Like the water powered car which burns hydrogen and emits oxygen. Wouldn't adopting a technology that actively benefits the air, rather than being neutral to the air just not emitting further carbon like current EVs, be the ideal solution? I can't see why anyone would build one of these DAC plants without the research funding that surely funded the first ones. Do they generate any income? Building a water powered car would generate income while fixing the air. So it seems on the surface anyway. I'd like to see a video on this topic. It's a lithium free solution as well.
@clintono
@clintono 7 місяців тому
If you burn Hydrogen it combines with Oxygen and creates water. It also would not reduce the CO2 in the atmosphere unfortunately.
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 7 місяців тому
So far it has taken us more energy to split water than we'd get from burning the resultant oxygen and hydrogen - and even if we could do it perfectly? it would take exactly the same amount of energy to split the molecule as it would to reform it into water via combustion. It's the same bonds being broken and formed - no extra energy to be gained.
@asdfasdf-dd9lk
@asdfasdf-dd9lk 7 місяців тому
As a physicist, you'd be better off making a car powered by earwax, in the sense that it's at least physically possible. Water is made of hydrogen and oxygen (hence H2O), put them together (burn them) and they release energy, and water. To split water into hydrogen and oxygen, it requires energy (the same amount of energy that is released when they're burned together again). The main problem with the atmosphere that causes climate change is how much CO2 is in it, trapping heat and causing the atmosphere to warm. Adding more oxygen would do nothing to counter this, and has nothing to do with the issue at hand, the atmosphere isn't a slider that just goes between good and bad. To suggest just creating more oxygen to counter CO2 emissions is a bit like trying to stop yourself when you trip down the stairs by peeing your pants, they're unrelated and now when you hit the ground not only are you hurt but you're covered in piss too.
@asharak84
@asharak84 7 місяців тому
It doesn't clean the air in any meaningful way in terms of greenhouse gasses, while using a ton more energy (which, as this video covered, we really don't have limitless amounts of).
@dansmith5012
@dansmith5012 7 місяців тому
What if there never was human made climate change and it's all a hoax to ruin you. By the way an EV runs on coal most of the time, you don't see smoke coming out of the tail pipe because the pipe is at the coal power plant.
@freedomoperator6502
@freedomoperator6502 7 місяців тому
EV car? You mean coal fueled.
@patricklincoln5942
@patricklincoln5942 7 місяців тому
What? I don't know where your misinformation comes from, but it could be the liar Bjorn Lomborg.
@freedomoperator6502
@freedomoperator6502 7 місяців тому
@@patricklincoln5942 And here comes the nonsense attempts at smears.
@patricklincoln5942
@patricklincoln5942 7 місяців тому
@@freedomoperator6502: If you want me to prove that Bjorn Lomborg is a liar I can do it for you (it is not meant as a nonsense smear). I just suspected he was your source because that is something I saw Bjorn Lomborg say in a looney Prager U video. If you want the proof I will give it to you. Just ask. In the meantime you should be aware that your comment does not make sense. It is not based in our current reality. There are no doublt places on the globe where your comment makes some sense just like it would make sense to say that French EV's are nuclear fueled.
@asharak84
@asharak84 7 місяців тому
His EV car that he has parked right next to his solar panels? Maybe he knows where his electricity comes from.
@freedomoperator6502
@freedomoperator6502 7 місяців тому
@@asharak84 copium much?
@ryanmichaelhaley
@ryanmichaelhaley 2 місяці тому
I'm right there with you David, I data mined a temperature history website and I did find an upward trend in temperatures in the past 50 years. The data speaks for itself.
@canis2020
@canis2020 7 місяців тому
I've seen a lot of talk about the tech itself but never about where it should go. Wouldn't these things be more effective around large population densities vs somewhere remote?
@marcussassan
@marcussassan 7 місяців тому
Do more of these environmental videos please
@CoolWorldsLab
@CoolWorldsLab 7 місяців тому
I want to keep living on a Cool World
@misst9
@misst9 7 місяців тому
The glaciers and Ice caps grow and shrink in cycles over 100s, 1000s of years. They arent going to shrink and completely disappear and the human affect on any of this process is quite frankly, a drop in the bucket compared to the natural cycle. If anything we should be worried about sliding into a deeper ice age, global cooling is more dangerous to humanity than CO2 and global warming.
@p1zd3c
@p1zd3c 7 місяців тому
You're referring to 'Milankovitch cycles', the natural cycle of the cooling and warming of the planet for over 900k years now. You've obviously got a basic understanding of them, but it is clear that you know little more than the mere fact that they exist. What your argument is missing is that this cycle should currently be in the cooling phase. Cooling. Not warming; let alone at an unprecedented pace. If you had researched this in any legitimate way prior to making your comment, you wouldn't have made your claim. The impact of human activity is having a clear, significant, and undeniable impact on the warming of the planet. A planet which should be cooling. To claim otherwise only lets everyone know that you haven't done your homework. The impact of human activity on our planet is by no means a mere drop in the bucket.
@misst9
@misst9 7 місяців тому
Tell that to the scientists that actually work and live on the poles and look at core samples and do this for their living and arent being paid off by someone who funds their work. We are in an ice age period now and may be slipping back out of it. Again, im not arguing we have 0 affect but to say its drastic is not true. And the only data that points to that is over extrapolated computer models that are just that, models, not fact.
@xavier31400
@xavier31400 7 місяців тому
Great video: Yet, your hard limit given by entropy can be overpassed without breaking the laws of physics with one condition: All energy do not need to come from the grid. One part can be brought by some natural phenomenon. Absorption of the CO2 by the ocean for instance. With such a trick, humanity would only need to pay for a portion of the total required entropy. And make the whole thing much less difficult.
@stevenkrasner5532
@stevenkrasner5532 7 місяців тому
Professor Kipping what about the CO2 emitted in the production of electricity? With most countries still relying on the use of coal in the production of electricity.
@stevenkrasner5532
@stevenkrasner5532 7 місяців тому
In addition the 2050 date is unrealistic to accomplish the Paris agreement goals. It needs to be moved out to 2075 or possibly 2100.
@jabonny
@jabonny 7 місяців тому
What a disingenuous pictograph of those balloons in NYC being stacked above the empire state building. Considering CO2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere, and humans produce a mere fraction of that percent, it should really be a miniscule dot in a vast void of nitrogen, oxygen, argon, water vapor, etc. Not to mention the NOx and SOx generated from combustion.
@donaldhobson8873
@donaldhobson8873 7 місяців тому
The atmosphere is real big. So a small proportion of the atmosphere is still a lot of co2 to take out and put somewhere.
@ultraveridical
@ultraveridical 7 місяців тому
Not sure about the citing of the climate anxieties of the younger generation. These anxieties are completely manufactured by the media and are not necessarily the reflection of the real state of affairs. The younger generations are not all climatologists and their opinions on the subject matter are at best second hand. Not to mention that the younger generations are generally more anxious for a number of reasons.
@miko1989100
@miko1989100 3 місяці тому
Hello, Professor. I am in the industry of RE development, working in one of the world's biggest global developers. Even though what you are saying is 1000% correct from a scientific and engineering point of view, the most simple fact that with today's global economic system and how it's driven, add to that the worse fact of being unable to commercialize then Carbon capture systems and by that I mean that you can't get an income out of it, it is almost impossible to have the world's eye turning towards these types of projects. It will have to be either coming from a governmental initiative or a non-profit org. working on collecting donations for this to be picked up by a willing developer. It is a sad fact that everything is driven by money and every good action can be halted by global economic short-comings. I have been calling for my superiors to act according to our mission statement and lobby governments to create a fund aiming to have said "experiments" as they call it, materialized, continually researched, developed further and maintained for a better future for our children.
@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa
@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa 3 місяці тому
Exactly. I think we can't pretend that technology will save our bacon on this one. We need fundamental societal restructuring to solve the problem of climate change. These massive global corporations ruthlessly pursuing increased profits and shareholder dividends is not compatible with ecology. Our economic system, the global economic system, is built on this idea of endless growth. Economic growth, industrial growth, profit growth, population growth, every kind of growth. Our economic system worked when profit incentives for private entities lined up with what was best for our species. Now the two are entirely separate. That means humanity has to make a choice, and it's honestly an incredibly easy one.
@miko1989100
@miko1989100 2 місяці тому
@@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa Thank you. That's a perfect statement!!
@JeremySpidle
@JeremySpidle 7 місяців тому
I guess were gonna need that Dyson Sphere sooner than later...
@donaldhobson8873
@donaldhobson8873 7 місяців тому
Yes for high tech utopianism.
@wessexexplorer
@wessexexplorer 7 місяців тому
I've often thought how futile net zero for the UK was. We are a small percentage of the world's CO2 omissions, and the results of net zero seems to be a terrible example to others. we must innovate to remove CO2 from the atmosphere in amounts that mean we are a net remover of CO2 by a massive margin.
@miloddvoranak8900
@miloddvoranak8900 7 місяців тому
Why you want to remove it, it is essencial gas for plant life, and concentration of CO2 in the atmosfere is miniscule.
@miloddvoranak8900
@miloddvoranak8900 7 місяців тому
How do you differ the amount of CO2 humans produce and how do you differ it from amount of CO2 plants produce ?@@Rubicola174
@asdfasdf-dd9lk
@asdfasdf-dd9lk 7 місяців тому
@@miloddvoranak8900 not surprised you'd want to increase the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere considering you clearly have the IQ of a plant.
@allocater2
@allocater2 7 місяців тому
Yes, every country needs to remove what it historically emitted. UK has a long way cleaning up their shit, since they are one of the worst countries.
@wessexexplorer
@wessexexplorer 7 місяців тому
@@allocater2 Nice one - by worst do you mean best? Or perhaps you live in a 'better' country?
@Mariuspersem
@Mariuspersem 7 місяців тому
I think meddling with the atmosphere to the point going back to pre industrial levels is a really bad idea. Reminder that there is a supposed ice age coming, and trust me you would rather the Earth get hotter than getting another snowball earth
@donaldhobson8873
@donaldhobson8873 7 місяців тому
Treat it like any other thermostat. Someone complains it's too cold and slams the dial way up. Then someone else complains it's too hot and slams the dial down again.
@Mariuspersem
@Mariuspersem 7 місяців тому
@@donaldhobson8873 That might be true for humans, but I was thinking more about plants and crops
@TheBookDoctor
@TheBookDoctor 7 місяців тому
Very interesting, and sobering. What are the numbers on splitting CO2 into C + O2, vs. separating it and storing it?
@8584zender
@8584zender 7 місяців тому
This is what plants do. The energy required to convert a mole of CO2 to glucose is about 100KCal or about 400KJ. Plants don't do this very efficiently but those would be the theoretical raw numbers.
@TheBookDoctor
@TheBookDoctor 7 місяців тому
@@8584zender Aren't plants also splitting water along the way? I know it takes scads of energy to decompose water, so if you're not doing that part too, maybe the numbers come out better? IDK. Am not a chemist...
@donaldhobson8873
@donaldhobson8873 7 місяців тому
@@TheBookDoctor Better. But fairly similar. We can get less energy use by storing something with lots of oxygen in, like formaldihyde or methanol. (hope those don't leak)
@neon_Nomad
@neon_Nomad 7 місяців тому
That thumbnail should say: birds in;nuggets out
@Thunderbird-2
@Thunderbird-2 7 місяців тому
Here's a plan sir. If you want to sequester CO2... Plant large fields of crops. I think in 3rd or 4th grade I learned that Plants inhale CO2 and exhale O2. And as a side benefit maybe you could harvest the crops and feed them to human beings or animals. Hope this Helps.
@hahtos
@hahtos 7 місяців тому
If you had actually watched any of this video you would (maybe) have caught on to why this can't solve the problem.
@Thunderbird-2
@Thunderbird-2 7 місяців тому
@@hahtos It's not a problem. It's a scare project for people that are easily misled.
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 7 місяців тому
@@Thunderbird-2 - The irony of you accusing others of being easily misled is as delicious as your crops.
@asdfasdf-dd9lk
@asdfasdf-dd9lk 7 місяців тому
@@Thunderbird-2 anybody who can do simple arithmetic can tell you that that simply won't work. If you want to try yourself, consider the tonnage of carbon that a field produces at maximum rates in a year, vs. how much carbon is emitted into the atmosphere by human activities.
@Thunderbird-2
@Thunderbird-2 7 місяців тому
@@asdfasdf-dd9lk LOL
@illumiNOTme326
@illumiNOTme326 7 місяців тому
We need more CO2 in atmosphere not less!
@dansmith5012
@dansmith5012 7 місяців тому
Exactly!
@yigithan.kilinc
@yigithan.kilinc 7 місяців тому
Are you a climate scientist?
@illumiNOTme326
@illumiNOTme326 7 місяців тому
@@yigithan.kilinc We are in an interglacial period after coming out of an ice age 10-12,000 years ago. The CO2 levels were close to or at the lowest levels in history before the industrial revolution. Photosynthesizing plants and algae will begin starving below 150 ppm and we were at roughly 190 before the industrial revolution. The optimal levels for plants is at a minimum 800-1000 ppm and possibly 1500 ppm. Higher CO2 levels makes plants much more drought tolerant and would in fact help increase the productive green land mass.
@FrenchLightningJohn
@FrenchLightningJohn 7 місяців тому
@@illumiNOTme326 and also we begin to see the sahara to be greener with more carbon in the air, so CO2 is very good, people are forgetting that carbon is life, also if we really want to fight green house effect we should aim at water vapor aka cloud, their effect is magnitude higher than carbon but we know getting rid of them is dangerous, which is the same for carbon
@donaldhobson8873
@donaldhobson8873 7 місяців тому
No what we really need in the atmosphere is SiO2
@blinkingmanchannel
@blinkingmanchannel Місяць тому
Good coverage. I was just trying to see what’s what, when I got to this video. 👍 I reached the same conclusion (1 trillion tons have to come out, net…) In any hard problem, we design to overshoot, hopefully to have cushion. Right? I can’t tell if your analysis already includes fertilizer production (i.e. food) and concrete (ie, shelter) at 2024 levels. (?) I agree emissions are high priority, but “zero emissions” is like your observation that DAC will never be 100% efficient. So, what are the consensus models for carbon cycling efficiency? Looks like most carbon removal strategies assume the carbon removed will simply be burned again. So we need to think “gain” for each step, rather than try to compute the entire food chain, no? (For example, we’re gonna need clean fertilizer production more than we need clean tractors. But it’s “and” not “or” right? Talking about how hard the problem is seems kinda pointless if we aspire to live better than Cyanobacteria… Speaking of which…?
@a.c.r.8296
@a.c.r.8296 7 місяців тому
What about enhanced weathering? Olivine sequestration.
@spindoctor6385
@spindoctor6385 7 місяців тому
What is depressing is thirty years of people believing the doomsday predictions that have come and gone and people still believing the next doomsday prediction.
@jaymexxu
@jaymexxu 7 місяців тому
Doomsday predictions have been there for thousands of years. One thing humans tend to do, is believe, wether it is religion, rituals, a passion for a job or people, celebrities, people will do what they want and you will always have so many people to the point where you'll always find somebody to match any criteria. They're out there and always will be. It's not worth depressing over.
@spindoctor6385
@spindoctor6385 7 місяців тому
@@jaymexxu It is when these people are in control of large parts of your life. Telling people they can't install natural gas, wood fired pizza ovens banned in NY. That just kills a few businesses for zero gain, even if you believe "da science"
@jaymexxu
@jaymexxu 7 місяців тому
@@spindoctor6385 True that, but you can choose who to support where you live where you go and all and make the best of it some other way. You'll be fine. Cuz as long S you realize that, you're a good person in my eyes and that's all that matters.
@spindoctor6385
@spindoctor6385 7 місяців тому
@@jaymexxu You are potentially too nice for the internet. Thanks mate.
@jaymexxu
@jaymexxu 7 місяців тому
@@spindoctor6385 Thanks but it'w probably more of a, i've come to terms with it. I have an extremely good human knowledge even behind text and we can't see one another. Grew up with the intnernet, been there since ghe beginning, created memes when the word didn't even exist yet, and dealt with trolls since 2004 so i guess i know how to get around haha
@dartmart9263
@dartmart9263 7 місяців тому
Unsubscribed. Tired of those who humor the sensationalism, and those who say that the FIRST thing we should do is “curb emissions”. And you don’t curb emissions by closing regulated factories and mines in the West, just so China can open hundreds of filthy unregulated factories and mines each year. How does that “curb emissions” overall exactly??? FIRST you come up with workable power alternatives*, then you make them a truly widespread practice, and then you can finally curb emissions. Ciao * Not coming from the now energy crippled West, of course. Good luck getting China to do them for you.
@hahtos
@hahtos 7 місяців тому
You never were a subscriber troll. But Bye anyway
@dartmart9263
@dartmart9263 7 місяців тому
@@hahtos I just unsubscribed, idiot . That means that, by definition, I WAS subscribed. Been subscribed for several months in fact. That said, I don’t need to explain myself to you, Sammy.
@karlgoebeler1500
@karlgoebeler1500 7 місяців тому
I was looking into a SOFC (Solid Oxide Fuel Cell) power source for an automobile.
@periodictableoftheelements
@periodictableoftheelements 7 місяців тому
How much carbon is produced during DAC manufacturing, installation, maintenance and repair? There is no free lunch. That's an old saying about the conservation of energy and mass and everything under the sun.
@donaldhobson8873
@donaldhobson8873 7 місяців тому
Probs not much. Whatever conservation of CO2 law you are trying to apply, it doesn't work like that.
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