LEC could not believe Seb had undercut him

If i remember correctly then vettel also gained around 6 tenths braking into the pits like verstappen did, that was the deciding moment but rarley gets talked about.

Hello! I'm new to F1 and my English is a bit poor, can you tell me what an undercut is? And I heard another term, is it overcut? Or something similar. I wanna learn if anyone's willing to explain, thanks in advance!

@@techpassion4126 I am going to explain it in the context of the French GP, because it is likely you saw what happened in that race, making it easier for you to understand. So if you remember, Bottas was the first of the front runners (and by that I mean the top 3 drivers) to make a pitstop. The very next lap, Max followed suit and came into the pits. This is the first attempt for an undercut. Bottas tried to undercut Verstappen and by that I mean, he wanted to make use of his newer tires he obtained after pitting to make up the gap between him and Verstappen to get ahead of him. The only way to cover this is either go long and try and overcut or to pit immediately to mitigate the time lost to Bottas as now Max will also have a new set of tires to match Bottas' faster pace. Now I will get back to what an overcut is later but there is another undercut attempt that occurred and that was the one that worked. It was the undercut of Max on Lewis. Lewis stayed out a lap or two longer on his older tires and so he didn't have the same pace as Max and so Max was able to make up the 3-second gap between him and Lewis using his newer tires and so when Lewis came out of the pits, max was ahead of him. Now I did mention I would explain an overcut. The overcut is where you preserve the performance of your tires for the end of your stint so that you can set very fast laps before you throw those used tires away in the pits and get a new set to continue the race, hoping that you jumped whoever pit before you. A great example was the one of Vettel in Monaco, he was managing his tires such that he was able to set some really quick laps before he pit. Meanwhile, Lewis tried the undercut and that failed and to cover off that undercut, Gasly pit around the same time and so when Vettel came out of the pits he was ahead of both of them (technically he was also assisted by Gasly holding Lewis behind because you can't overtake in Monaco and the fact that Gasly had a terribly slow out lap after pitting to a fresh set of hard tires because they take time to heat up).

@@techpassion4126 F1 tyres lose performance the longer they are used. It mans drivers have to stop somewhere in the race to change to new tyres...sometimes more than once. If you are close behind someone...you can jump into the pits..change to new tyres.....then drive the next lap on new tyres while he is on old tyres during the same lap but far ahead...he pits after you to change as well,,but you will have passed him by then.That is UNDERCUT,,because you do all that while UNDER the driver ahead(behind him on track) but when he changes tyres like you,,,you jump him. OVERCUT is the opposite,,you wait for your rival ahead to pit for newer tyres he is now behind...but he fails to warm them up in time to go faster than you are going now..so you drive so fast that when you pit....you stay head of him.

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@@laurenbauer670 yes

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@@unops1archive Max: "for i am MAX MAX MAX SUPER MAX" 🤣🤣🤣

Its mind boggling. Even shovlin was trying to figure out where that time went

@@Bahamuttiamat the braking and the accelerating out of the box, and also maybe a couple of hundreds gained with trying to straighten the line on the way out of the pit lane (there was a little corner)

@@Bahamuttiamat palmer said that Lewis had a clean run into his pits bit that's not the case. He has to make a small detour before he was able to stop his car in the box. (Cuz of that weird chicane being "longer" for him)

@@Bahamuttiamat The video shows Max gained time, watch from the very beginning of the entry to the pit lane, he's further back than Lewis. I think he took a different line. Max is ahead at the end. 7:20 - 8:11

Mercedes had a big disadvantage with their line to the pit box

Vettel was the absolute master of this in 2010-13. He’d pull ludicrous gaps on the opening laps. I think the Red Bull philosophy must reward that type of driving.

@@Lowdo1549 RBs have always had the best aero package so they can always warm their tires quicker.

@@Lowdo1549 yeah Red Bull set up the cars for Vettel to be on pole, and then just literally win

@@Lowdo1549 Based on what I’ve heard of the Seb RB days, his car was literally set up for maximum Quali pace, and then after pole he would just pull off from the rest of the pack

Yeah, also people are blaming BOT that he didnt held up VER for long enough/at all ("just 1 second would have made all the difference...") and then completely ignore that HAM could have definetely gained 1s over 20 laps by himself. If I remember correctly, he even went off track once in sector 3 in the last couple of laps. So yeah, I would definetely not say that RB/VER are making more mistakes than Merc/HAM.

@@buhuiuiui Exactly also baku restart with the magic button

@@realitycheck908 😂

Every day is opposite day for Lewis. Also with "My tyres are gone" meaning fastest lap incoming.

4 times now, gonna be 5 times next week

Max was always brilliant.

@@zomaardan Brilliant yes, but Maturity is required to match that brilliance. Max has improved every year. When he started he was way too aggressive, but now, he uses that aggression to his benefit.

@@BatMan-xr8gg Nonsens sir. Like Max stated several times: in a fast car there is no need to overdrive. Why is he faster then his team mates because he presses the car to the limit.

@@BatMan-xr8gg Yeah for sure. Back in the early days he was very raw and prone to mistakes, or bad judgment. Now he is a lot more calculated with less mistakes and this car is on rails. Honda have produced an impressive engine on their way out too. Credit to them. This is a great combo of car and driver

ongg finally somebody said it hahaha we all saw the 24.75 difference between them both before HAM even pitted

For Lewis it wasn't just the In/Out Lap. In Fastest Lap listings Lewis was actually the 5th fastest driver on the day. The order on Fastest Lap/Personal Bests was VER, PER (on Lap 53!), BOT, VET, then HAM.... HAM's best lap off by some 1.006 seconds. So it wasn't just those laps. Lewis had basically lost pace throughout the duration of the race. It's possible the first stint wasn't so bad, but switching to defence from very early in the race for the one stop probably meant his pace got capped. Perez also on a one stopper, but he had speed in hand in the end.

the telemetry for Max vs Ham in the pits is in the full version on F1TV. Ham lost out 5tenths to Max by not attacking the pits limits as hard. Breaking on the pit-in, as well as for the pit box.

@@sider122 Thx for letting me know. Maybe I do indeed get F1TV once... :)

@@sider122 It's all the little things now. In a close fight everything can come into play.

no thank you

Finally something different than the silver arrows on podium race weekend after race weekend !

Perez, Norris and Charles deserve to be world champs

@@nextlevelcalm8272 why max not? He is definitely better than them

DESERVES!!! This is F1 no one deserves anything, you have to earned it one race at the time. It’s a marathon to the end of the season not a sprint.

Yep, Lewis lost to both Red Bull cars because of overcut. And after that just couldn't catch them.

yep

it was an overcut that time

Also in Monaco

@@peterhans935 In Monaco Lewis lost to Perez, Vettel and Gasly because of overcut. His complaints were priceless.

that’s just you

They look fine here (on a laptop). Check your display settings.

The line could have used with a more contrasting color like yellow.

You need to check your eyesight 😂

The problem was Max then didn't want to accept being passed by Ric. He was always talented and very determined, but now he has the maturity and experience.

more like 2:46 but yeah

That is an important detail. I'd like to hear that audio

The audio is always a bit delayed, so even if the team-radio aired towards the end of his lap its highly likely it actually happened at the start of his in-lap. So with that in mind to me there is no reason why Lewis shouldn't have given everything he's got. Max and Red Bull just beat them in this scenario in my opinion

He clearly wasn't, I checked on the VOD and hamilton needed roughly 1:41:00 from crossing the pit entry one lap before his stop to actually heading in one lap later. So his in-lap was really really slow, while Max' compared outlap was in the 1:36s. I did try to measure the times from the vod from pit entry for HAM and pit exit for VER as that was the delta between their nearly equal pit times.

Allegedly they called him in late, so he wasn't really giving it everything on the in lap

He got confirmation from bono 20 seconds prior to the pit lane entry. So I guess he lost quite sometime there to..

You can watch the full things on f1 tv for a small price.

@@thesnackbandit I know and that’s my point, it used to be the whole thing on yt

Look how much further back max is at 7:21. Seems like he makes most of the time up at the entry part to the pit lane limiter.

No, I think Lewis somehow lost time between his pit stop and the pit exit because you can see in the video that Lewis came out of his box before Max, and yet was behind him at the pit exit.

Makes up the time 7:21 to 7:42 max starts behind and pulls even by 7:42.

@@aadityashirke1236 Hamiltons pit box is behind Verstappens pit box, so he's already behind when leaving his box. Most time Hamilton lost on his in lap, rather than the pit stop. Though he lost roughly 0.5s from the pit limiter start to pit end overall and a bit more in the breaking zone before the pit. But in general his in lap was just slow

@@Campa939 In lap of Ham was 0.6s slower, added with entry of pit + the position of his box added just that in turn one Max reached him.

What are you talking about? On Max´s first stop he was behind Hamilton and on his second the gap was so small that Mercedes couldn´t react in time and also weren´t expecting a pit stop.

Remember that Hamilton is on the front, how is he to react when Max boxed? Do a handbrake turn and go against the flow of traffic? Max is obviously not going to Lewis that he will box.

@@kucingmiumiu854 er..........they should have pitted Lewis the lap after Bottas. he had a 3 sec lead, would have been an easy win. didn't matter if Max pitted or not, but they left Lewis out another lap for some unknown reason.

@@ddha0000 Yeah why did they leave him out for that extra lap? Makes absolutely no sense, especially after seeing how effective the undercut was with Dany Ric

@@kucingmiumiu854 Like I said in my comment, everyone knew Max was boxing next lap because he had to come in to cover Bottas’ undercut. Merc brought in Bottas to pressure Max, then instead of using the information advantage they created, they let Lewis sit out for an extra lap...

But max had to do a whole weave to get into his box, while hamilton just had a straight run. I don't think there is much of a difference, and if there is, max should be the one in a disadvantage

@@actualperson1971 Yeah that part is definitely a slight advantage for the Mercedes pit but the speed limit was 60 at Paul Ricard compared to 80 normally so the weaving is less costly. I think for sure most of the difference was in the acceleration out of the pit box after stop.

Karma 🙂

i think he mentioned it. seemed like the red bull was able to fire up their hard tires better. dont know if its car or vers. probably a bit of both.

he got close but that's why max is max and bottas is just happy he's not fighting the williams.

He almost did. Lewis lost out because he stayed for 2 laps.

@@rahuldev7289 no 1 lap after Ver only 2 against bot

Valtteri wanted to but the team didn't. You can hear him saying it in team radio

Im not a long F1 avid fan, but as far as I know, the reason why people have rep. on each q&a is to prevent what driver have said to be manipulated. Some people like to twist what driver said to create unnecessary drama, so they record everything they said

And when he made mistakes in the past people forget how young he still is just because he has been around awhile.

@@Gl-my8fw he is in fact the same age lewis was when lewis came to F1 in 2007.....which is shocking coz by this time Max is around for 5+ years.

@@gauravdevrani4298 exactly. I use that response when people talk about max not having a championship after 5 years.

@@gauravdevrani4298 And Max is currently already the 51st most experienced driver out of 770 total F1 drivers, and is still near the bottom of the age list when looking at the youngest debutants... Starting the 2020 season, he would still place well into the top 100 youngest F1 drivers ever (83rd, at 22 years 9 months 5 days). He's got all the advantages of age. And all the advantages of experience. Plus the absolute bucket load of raw skill that only a select few F1 drivers have had. Which is why a 23 year old can currently compete with the GOAT atm.

Hey Merc chose that garage, choice of garage is determined by previous year WCC; if its a detriment, its on them.

they have to make a sharp right hand but dont have to make the sharp left hand of the pit lane chicane which all other teams will have to do if not pitting in the first pit box (mercedes' box)... so overall not much difference.... the difference was in pit entry (before pit limiter) and in exitting the pitbox.

Few meter? Nah. Few centimeters, yes. At most, a meter. Not FEW meter

@@adibz959 3sq + 4sq= 5sq so on a very small scale it is 2 meters. More if you scale it up.

I did the math on Google earth: The difference between (pitting in) the first and the last box is about 6 (!) meters. The pit lane is not parallel to the long straight. The first box is 20m further from the track compared to the last.

He is clown🤡

In order for a two stop strategy to work you need to come in rather sooner than later to take advantage of the new tires...

@@mlohr1 yup ver was making up 2 sec per lap cuz of the gap

Its interesting, because RBR is familiair with gaining lot of speed in season. Normally 7-8 tenths behind and end of the season competitive. But now they are on par, but can they improve further. And much more interesting, is MB able to gain that much more speed?

They didn't show the entire thing :(

Perez played a part as well in the win. Him staying out meant Lewis has to overtake him if they go for a 2nd stop. Perez is amazing at tyre management and from what we've seen in Baku, he proves to be difficult to overtake.

It was a 2.7sec undercut. The was the actual time difference between Max and Lewis just before he pitted. The time diff was initially 3 sec but it was reduced to 2.7 secs just before he pitted.

@@samzik1644 yeah i just checked it. you're right.

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Verstappen was trying to keep bottas behind, not trying to overtake hamilton. He probably used a lot more ERS energy on his inlap to make sure he came out ahead of bottas. More power = more top speed. Tires have way bigger influence in the corners than on topspeed.

@@a7G-82r ​ @firstname lastname Less electrons used in these straights makes sense

Maybe because they don't treat bottas right. He's been serving as ham's second in command for years. He's deserves one year of his own campaign.

He isnt on Hamiltons level or due to the way Mercedes has done him with strategy he is and they dont want a Nico

lol, bottas never challenged lewis.

They were expecting to use the hards till the end, but the degradation was very bad so it would have been impossible

​@@chiefdenis Yeah but it doesn't make sense to use hards for 13 laps while running yellows for 20+ . I imagine degradation for yellow tires should be worse

@@opti-mus because when they put the hards on, degradation was very bad and the car was heavier due to more fuel load, the mediums could do the remaining 21 laps with a progressively lighter car due to less fuel and a more rubbered in track surface (the first set of mediums did 18 laps with a heavier car and poor track surface, so the second set was definately going to do more with improved conditions)

@@opti-mus also, you need to remember that at the start of a race, the cars are around 100 - 110 kg heavier than at the end, thats why fastest laps are set in the final laps with even worse tires, every kg counts a lot in f1

@@chiefdenisthanks, didnt thought about that. Still i would expect them to run hards a bit more and then push harder on the last stint. But they won regardless so it doesn’t matter now

He didn't do an extra lap as he did not have time to while Max pitted. He just pulled ahead by a bit that's all. Welcome to the sport.

Running faster on fresher tyres, that's how you make up the lost time in the pits, if you do an extra stop. It's a matter of calculation. By the way, that's the difference between US ans F1. The fastest wins, not the one with most driven laps.

No since the laptime is about 1:40s here, and a pitstop is 30s total. You'll only be 1/3rd of a lap down by the time you leave the pits. Both Max and Lewis completed the same number of laps. Max just had to make up the time of the extra stop. Which is possible since he has fresher tires worth about 1 seconds a lap on average for 30 laps. Hence why it was so close at the end. The strategy barely worked.

@@theglitch312 got you, I never knew the amount of time it took for a complete pit , tbh I thought it was a bit longer so I was thinking that it mightve be near enough time for a complete lap to be done or near done. I appreciate the well explained response . Many thanks

@@teaghanfinks5083 np, made one small mistake and Max only had 20 laps so I guess the tire delta per lap was a bit larger than 1s. Still, the point stands haha. Also, great to see all these new fans! And keep asking questions because a large number of F1 fans are complete nerds that like to explain stuff to you!

On UKposts.

If they qualified on it in then yes

They're just on the channel...