I Love This Bike But It Has To Go!
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Місяць томуWe all have a favourite bike, could be old or new, could be cheap or expensive, but the most important thing is what the bike represents to you. Join Alex as he shows us his favourite bike, which has... rim brakes! As the years go by, rim brakes become less and less common. Is this a good thing? Is there still a place for them in modern cycling? Watch this video to find out.
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@gcntech Місяць тому
Rim or Disc? Which do you prefer?! Let us know 👇
@jaff77 Місяць тому
rim
@patoberli Місяць тому
I absolutely prefer disc, but I also can live with rim breaks on a bike, as long as it's not wet. A few droplets of rain and bye bye breaking power. Also hate to replace the rims because the breaking surface is used up. A new disc is considerably cheaper than a new rim.
@TheAttyjace Місяць тому
I still got a rim bike because my plan is to race with it hence i will be disassembl❤ei it a lot to be transported, and i will be the one assembling it at hotel rooms
@tobimaxx Місяць тому
Rim with out a doubt.
@garrycullum3861 Місяць тому
Rim 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
@alainroyal6783 Місяць тому
What is it not to like about rim brakes? Cheaper ,ligther, hassle free. If you don t ride in mountainous area, they are the best choice
@neilrobinson7965 Місяць тому
Well I ride in a mountainous area and rim brakes are better there too because the bike is lighter and climbs better. I generally tend not to ride in the rain so wet braking is not really a concern.
@markg7834 27 днів тому
I have taken rim brake bikes to the C
@fooboomoo 25 днів тому
i wish I could still get one breaks on a MTB
@joelkirk1679 23 дні тому
I'm with you, I like rim brakes better due to their cost, lighter weight, less maintenance, and resistance to bent rotors. For the commuting and dry weather road riding I do nowadays, I prefer to have rim brakes. I agree with Fooboomoo about hardtail x-country mountain bikes. The V-brake equipped, 90s Specialized Rockhopper I raced with in high school worked really well. I had an Opus Fhast hardtail with Hayes hydraulic disc brakes in the 00s and it didn't brake any better IMO. The 'feel' of disc brakes, their wet weather performance, better performance with carbon rims, and stopping power when paired with wider tires are advantages to acknowledge. The Cannondale touring bike I rode in the 00s would have been better with disc brakes. The cantilever brakes it had didn't deal well with the weight or wet weather. Rim brakes shouldn't be retired and it would be great if manufacturers would update side pull rim brakes with larger width and reach calipers to accept wider tires. Perhaps quick release hubs should be retired in favour of thru-axle hubs for improved stiffness when cornering. Lacing up thru-axle hubs to rim brake, aluminum rims would be super easy. Unfortunately, manufacturers make more money on each bike sold with disc brakes. If a disc brake bike costs $500 more than an equivalent rim brake bike, half of that is going to be profit. That's why they're pushing disc offerings and phasing out rim offerings. We would see a resurgence of rim brakes on the road if the UCI lowered its weight limit to 5.5kg or 6kg. The increased performance of a lighter bike is way more significant to racers than the better braking performance of disc/carbon rims vs. rim brake/carbon rims. Right now, it's no problem to build a pro-level disc road bike to 6.8kg. So, why not have better braking performance with carbon rims? If the weight advantage of rim brakes over disc brakes was attainable for riders in UCI races, pro riders would ride on rim brake bikes. As we all know, trends in the pro-peloton always trickle down to regular roadies.
@dennismicallef9350 16 днів тому
The only advantage of disc over rim on a road bike for me is tire clearance. I have lots of bikes for off-road and/or bad weather, but my aero road bike only comes out on sunny days. Rim brakes and 25c tires work just fine, but I do want an endurance bike with 32-35c tires one day. That would require disc brakes.
@philippe9604 Місяць тому
Just bought the SL6 S-works ultralight rim for 2300 euro and gonna sell my 2022 canyon ultimate disc. Stiffer, lighter, cheaper and so much easier to work on urself. Wish they still made top tier bikes with rim brake option so everyone could choose what they prefer.
@camonin Місяць тому
This is exactly why I purchased a Specialized Tarmac SL6 Pro (rim brake) in 2018, when having the chance to go for either brake type. It represented, and still does, the peak of that particular bike type. Still love riding it and working on it, and can't really justify replacing it.
@cuebj Місяць тому
Yes. My 2007 Ultegra System6 with Ksyrium Elite wheels gives all the braking power and control I need in any conditions. But tyres shred on current roads in SE London & Kent. Potholes and ruts are far more dangerous on 23 mm tyres than modern fat tyres. I can't justify replacing my old bikes but, if I could afford it, I would do so as a final bike for a 69-year old whose eyes don't change focus like they did for fixing punctures and picking quartz chips out of the tyres
@pj9375 Місяць тому
I too am looking for a rim brake S works. I’m riding TCR 2021 rim brake on mech ultegra and it is absolutely beautiful 😍
@alpsalish Місяць тому
You flipping get it!
@guyboycecam1636 Місяць тому
Completely agree. I have a 2021 TCR with SRAM AXS and HUNT 52mm wheels. Love it and the cost of replacement with discs is a little eye watering. Am happy to just be aware of braking limitations when wet in order to keep on this (as in the dry they are plenty good enough). Worse case I will get some alloy wheels for improved braking in the wet
@Thezuule1 Місяць тому
Good rim brakes on alloy wheels are more than most riders need. They suffer a bit on carbon wheels but most riders can still easily get a handful of brake and lock the wheel up at which point the limiting factor for you stopping is the wheels not the brakes.
@neilrobinson7965 Місяць тому
Please stop with this ridiculous peer pressure for people to buy new bikes. There is nothing wrong with a decent lightweight rim braked bike. buying a modern road bike at an elevated price is a waste of money for anyone that has a good rim braked bike.
@alexgalitier1322 Місяць тому
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@dalebrown2753 24 дні тому
Agreed. Cycling only becomes expensive when you fold to pressures just like this one. If your breaks work fine, do not upgrade.
@ALANDICKIE1 22 дні тому
Think you need to watch the vid. Alex says that at the end
@danielc196 22 дні тому
Shame on GCN for pushing this attitude when there's a cost of living crisis, they ought to be doing shows about how your old rim bike is perfectly fine and you don't need to upgrade.
@neilrobinson7965 22 дні тому
@@ALANDICKIE1 look at the thumbnail: “the end of rim brakes” the peer pressure is there alright.
@Grovreicraynth Місяць тому
I love the simplicity of Rim brakes. Easy to setup, maintain, and fix. Discs are better performing but I haven't been in a situation where I felt good quality rim brakes were not doing the job, at least for my type of riding and skill level.
@luisakinaga Місяць тому
Alex, I’m a proud owner of one Pinarello rim brake. This tech shouldn’t stop to be produced in new bikes, at least in mid-range road bikes. Rim brakes 4 life!
@phillippitts6294 Місяць тому
Me too , I get tired of disc brakes squealing
@MTBScotland Місяць тому
the majority of people don't want them that's why.
@chamfly5783 Місяць тому
@@phillippitts6294 Hate the squeal!! Rim Brakes. : )
@gcntech Місяць тому
Do you love your rim brake Pinarello as much as Hank?
@phillippitts6294 Місяць тому
@@gcntech I love my pinarello with rim brakes
@yukiko_5051 Місяць тому
If 5 speed freewheel, triple cranks and square taper are still exist, i doubt rim brake will go away
@Frostbiker Місяць тому
All of which are perfectly utilitarian. I cringe when I see proprietary cranksets that are incompatible with standard 4 and 5 bolt designs.
@impaledface7694 Місяць тому
I feel seen
@secretagent86 Місяць тому
SPecialized roubaix (2011) with triple chainring and ten gears in back. Excellent for casual rider
@cuebj Місяць тому
There's a shop full of rim-brake bikes in Lewisham: XO Bikes in the Shopping Centre. A charitable company for ex-offenders to refurbish bikes supplied by the police from their stock of recovered but unclaimed bikes. A drool-over Colnago with Super Record just begging me to do the Lottery, win it, and find a spare few £hundred to have something like what I saw in EG Bates window in 1980s
@cuebj Місяць тому
@@secretagent86 Yuk. Triple chainrings... almost always horrible. Such a rider will be better off with an ebike today
@djones_IronSharpensIron Місяць тому
When I reach motorcycle level performance on my rim brake 105 road bike, I will consider disc, but until then, rim brakes get it done for me.
@SecwetGwiwer Місяць тому
Ten years into disc brakes on road bikes and rim brakes aren’t going anywhere. If you work in the industry you will have seen the number of new rim brake products being released and realised that there’s clearly room for both.
@johngwheeler Місяць тому
except that there are plenty of manufacturers and models that simply don't have a rim-brake option, so you are greatly limiting the choice of bikes, particularly at the top-end of the range. I'm sure that rim-brakes will hang around on budget bike (and kids' bikes) for a long time though.
@gcntech Місяць тому
Both have their place 🙌 Would you choose rim over disc?
@forza1860muc Місяць тому
Ten years ago no road bike had disc brakes. More like 3-4 years ago.
@jamesmckenzie3532 Місяць тому
@@forza1860mucI bought a 2013 Roubaix with SRAM hydraulic disc brakes. They were one of the first to introduce discs. Trek followed quickly with a Domane disc. It was several years before the UCI allowed disc brakes after safety concerns were addressed. Still rim brakes are fine if you either: Ride in good weather only, or Ride with tracked wheels where the brake track is something other than carbon.
@alpsalish Місяць тому
@@gcntechI would choose rim over disc everytime except on mtb bikes and I'm talking enduro and dh.
@ingtoningtonington149 Місяць тому
Rode my Pinarello Opera, steel/carbon rim brake bike 38 miles today. 24 years old , superlight with Campag 10 speed Record and Rolf Vector Pro wheels. Probably my peak bike. Don't believe that anything has been made since that will make me any faster.
@anonymouspubliccitizen5000 Місяць тому
I have a 2004/05 Prince SL. How much better can it get? I love the bike
@ingtoningtonington149 Місяць тому
@@anonymouspubliccitizen5000 Cool bike mate. I wanted a Prince but the frame was just a bit more money than I could justify at the time. The Opera frame was about £1250 back then and the Prince was more. Sigma Sports built mine. Think they are both quite rare now.
@petergiourelas3753 Місяць тому
My rim brakes are staying forever, easy to maintain and cheap,
@robhales5938 Місяць тому
and me love rim brakes
@neilbuckley5796 Місяць тому
Until you can’t get the parts.
@madyogi6164 Місяць тому
@@neilbuckley5796 When that happens, I'll open up a factory and will be a freaking rich guy!!! just by selling pads an brake cables...
@tom6493 Місяць тому
@@neilbuckley5796you can get parts for 100 year old rod pull brakes, so I’m sure you’ll be alright…
@HungryPanda3287 Місяць тому
@@neilbuckley5796bike parts from 2004 are still easy to get ahold of, and cheap. Rim brake parts are going to be around for a long time yet.
@TroubleshootGamingMeds Місяць тому
I know discs are better but i still ride my rim brake bike with no complaints because 1. Braking performance is enough for me. I ride mostly for transportation, dont need the extra braking power. 2. On my disc brake bikes, im constantly having to adjust the brakes because they rub, which slows me down/makes noise. 3. In my experience, the pads wear quicker and need replacement more often. 4. Sometimes they make awful sounds. I know they work better in the wet, but when its wet outside, i basically dont ride anyway so its a moot point. Anyway, for all those who love their discs, more power to you, but rim brakes are certainly alive and well.
@stevem.3646 Місяць тому
Even more so if you need to pull the front wheel off when putting the bike in your car.
@questgivercyradis8462 Місяць тому
I like my disc brakes, but if rim brakes float your boat, awesome. Saves you a lil' weight on the bike too! I ride for transportation, but up and down some steep hills, often with a heavy load, and there are major car intersections at the bottom of the hills. If it was on flats, that extra stopping power would be less necessary. I use my discs pretty hard. But you are right about noise - if it is super humid they squeal.
@alpsalish Місяць тому
Also, rim brakes look vastly better!
@TroubleshootGamingMeds Місяць тому
@@alpsalish see this one I can't agree with. Some discs look so dope while spinning
@alpsalish Місяць тому
@@TroubleshootGamingMeds Nope, and never have. Not even on mtb (enduro/dh). Different strokes.
@christopherkelly9153 Місяць тому
Love my Campagnolo record RIM BRAKE bike. Don’t need the headache of maintaining disk brakes.
@sventice Місяць тому
I prefer disc brakes, mostly because they work really well in wet weather, but also because they just work better overall with carbon wheels. That said, rim brakes do have two advantages that discs will probably never answer: 1. They're a lot lighter; 2. They're less expensive to buy and to maintain.
@gcntech Місяць тому
Disc brakes can feel so good! We think both have their place 🙌 When would you choose rim over disc brakes?
@Alex-ce2xc Місяць тому
I'm with you there. In the greater LA area there are a lot of very steep long descents on questionable surfaces. As much as I love the aesthetic of a classic steel road bike, I descend like a moron and need the extra control discs give me. I don't really see myself going smaller than 32mm anymore either, good tires are just as fast and handle the shoddily maintained roads better.
@questgivercyradis8462 Місяць тому
If I rode on flats, and/or without nasty car intersections, may as well go for rims. But San Diego has tons of steep hills, bad pavement, and car intersections at the bottom of those hills. I ride them with my commuter loaded with heavy bags. Definitely made heavy use of the disc brakes - actually ended up braking so hard on a downhill my crash detection went off (I was fine, upright, controlled, minimal skid) and I didn't go through the red light. Long flat country roads don't have that issue so rims could win there.... not here. Different tools for different purposes!
@marco_espejo Місяць тому
Now we know why Alex had a Dura Ace crankset randomly lying around.
@josh985tv Місяць тому
Viva the Rim brake !!!!!
@gcntech Місяць тому
Save the rim brake 🙌
@rangersmith4652 Місяць тому
If disc brakes were going to kill rim brakes, they would have done so already. Rim brakes aren't going away. Way too many people still prefer them, and with many good reasons.
@gcntech Місяць тому
Is it just a matter of time? Canti brakes are still out there two, are they dead?
@rangersmith4652 Місяць тому
@@gcntech It's not a matter of time. Rim brakes will not die due to the presence of disk brakes any more than metal frames died once we could buy carbon frames. They will only die if they are artificially killed. Cantilever brakes are just another kind of rim brakes, and they are not dead either. As long as frames with cantilever or V-brake studs are being regularly ridden, these brakes are not dead. We can still buy parts and even entire cantilever systems, and they still work quite well when they're properly set up, which compared to hydraulic disk brakes is easy to do and requires no special tools. A further point: US regulations specify that bikes with a maximum seat height of 25" or less must have a coaster brake. But many people would argue coaster brakes are dead, practically useless. If so, why are they mandatory on bikes meant for small children? Four closely-tied reasons: 1) Small children have difficulty with hand brakes, but 2) they can quickly master how a coaster brake works and 3) they have the strength to operate such a brake. Perhaps most importantly, 4) coaster brakes work just fine at low speeds and under light loads and so are appropriate for small children's bikes. They are neither dead nor dying. Nobody would recommend a coaster brake for an adult bike, but they have their place.
@rlm4471 Місяць тому
@@gcntechThe sun is going to explode one day, so the death of everything is just a matter of time. In the case of bikes, there are many rim brake framesets out there that people still want to ride. Until that is no longer the case, someone will make rim brake parts. I don't think rim brakes will disappear in my lifetime.
@rlm4471 Місяць тому
@@rangersmith4652Coaster brakes are still common on cruiser bikes for adults. You don't need rim or disc brakes to cruise around slowly on flat ground.
@rangersmith4652 Місяць тому
@@rlm4471 True, but they are not mandatory on such bikes. If I were to buy a cruiser, I'd select one with a coaster brake. I still know how to use it.
@marvinsmall5002 Місяць тому
Give it some time. And they will be reinventing the rim brake as the new aero and weight gain.
@tinglydingle Місяць тому
I just don't really care about brake technology. I've never had a crash, while racing, training, or leisure riding, where I felt that more powerful brakes would have prevented it, and so arguing about rim or disc brakes seems kinda pointless. The big advantage that I can see that modern discs have is that they allow wider tyres, but surely this wouldn't be an insurmountable problem with rim brakes, simply requiring slightly larger calipers.
@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589 Місяць тому
^ this guy has never ridden in the rain.
@tinglydingle Місяць тому
I raced four seasons in Belgium and the UK, I spent quite a lot of time riding in the rain!
@psijicassassin7166 20 годин тому
@@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589 What idiot does if he had a choice?
@richiejames928 Місяць тому
the only thing I dislike about disk brakes is they all rub. all of them. every bike is ridden with discs. From cheap to high end of mid range’ at some point..they all rub.
Місяць тому
Rim Brakes will never die. Marketing just pushed it away... DIscs are not at fault, it is all done by marketing and big brands. Brands could have sold both Discs and Rims but money appetite ruins this cohabitation.
@krissk77 Місяць тому
its going no where -- its marketers and big brands wishing them away. get a frame and build a bike , better than just logos and brand names... top range frames also come from China or Taiwan or other Asian countries. - shop around you will get even better frames at half or less the brand/logo frames.
@alistair410 Місяць тому
It seems like bloody freehub sound checks will never die either.
@nellyx1x493 Місяць тому
They worked out from the mtb market that they could make loads more money by forcing the high value complete bike sale.... and just look how thats playing out for the industry now, not so well....
@KarlosEPM Місяць тому
@@krissk77 I agree with you. But people don't know what they want nor what they need.
@spanishmarc Місяць тому
And GCN pushing disc brakes down our throat.
@Analogue_Cyclist Місяць тому
I've just ordered a Time Alpe D'Huez frame - objectively one of the best built frames in the world - and It's their new limited edition RIM brake version. This will be fitted with a mechanical groupset. and I am sure I will be happy, content and safe with it. Choose what works for you, ride what you're happy with and respect individual choice.
@EverythingsFine82 27 днів тому
Nice bike!
@russellhagy Місяць тому
I finally built what I think is my favorite bike. 2012 S-Works Venge with rim brakes. It's been my grail since I saw it for the first time in LeTour. I did a full Dura-Ace 9100 build. It's spectacular.
@markbooth6745 Місяць тому
Rim brakes for me, don't think I will ever have disc brakes on a road bike. They say rim brakes are on the way out. They probably are for the manufacturer's, because it's all about marketing and money. 🤔
@matkrek Місяць тому
That and keeping people going back to the bike shop for maintenance and replacing rotors/pads (extra money)
@user-d32658 Місяць тому
@@matkrekThose people have 2 left hands.
@matkrek Місяць тому
@@user-d32658 many people are like that which is why the industry loves disc. Proves my point. No point criticizing the consumer who spends thousands…
@user-d32658 Місяць тому
@@matkrek Everybody I train with do their own disc/ pad maintenance. A monkey could do it. I never heard of anybody bringing their bike to the bike shop for this.
@MTBScotland Місяць тому
That and they work brilliantly in the wet with carbon wheels while allowing wide tyres and mudguard if needed.
@fotmheki Місяць тому
For me, the biggest compromise you have to do with rim brakes is the tire size. If you want to go wider than 28 mm could be a limit
@KarlosEPM Місяць тому
Cantilevers overcome this. So do the "normal" rim brakes whose pivots are screwed unto the seatstays. Lastly, they can simply be manufactured for wider tires... city bikes with 40mm tires with caliper rim brakes exist.
@refard Місяць тому
Sure but cantilever brakes suck🤦@@KarlosEPM
@refard Місяць тому
@@KarlosEPMCantilevers suck and Ive used XTR cantilevers so much happier with disc brakes
@MicheleGardini Місяць тому
The question is, do you need it? I like to ride in comfort, my 2008 Synapse with 105 could accept a 30mm but I still go with 28 and it's good enough for some gravel sectors on my usual rides. And in good seasons I do more than 250 km and 4000+, last year with friends I also did the Eroica/Strade Bianche, with 28. The only reason to go for 30-32 could be to weigh more than 85-90 kg.
@happykanye Місяць тому
@@KarlosEPM Cantis aren't available too well. I have ultegra br cx70. Nowhere to be found if i need a replacement.
@MainUkraine Місяць тому
I bought my first rim brake race bike, Canyon Ultimate SL8 for $2700 at the start of covid when supply was low. This bike came 7.02 kg WITH aluminum wheels from DT Swiss. After investing a few hundred dollars into carbon wheels, carbon rail saddle, and latex tubes, it's well under 7 kg and a crit machine for around $3k. It is also way more aero than an entry level disc bike for the same money nowadays.
@stevegarbade4576 26 днів тому
I’ve done the exact same with my Canyon Ultimate rim brake bike and am extremely pleased
@xAudiolith 18 днів тому
Yes I was eyeing that exact same bike then. I’m so pissed they took that out of the range. Literally the perfect bike to me. Best of modern tech with reliable parts that are easy to work on at a good price point. A bike I’d recommend to any newbie easily. Nowadays you need a degree and better pray to god if you wanna work on all this integrated proprietary bs.
@paulruefenacht221 Місяць тому
Rim brakes were and are great on high quality aluminum rims, not so much on carbon, especially on a wet day
@simonwarmer8777 Місяць тому
I’ve got a sl6 rim brake and a sl7 disc brake tarmac . I have to say I haven’t discovered the advantages of discs yet ,other than the hassle of build, weight and maintenance hahaha. And yes, Holland is flat.
@durianriders Місяць тому
Great video gang! CANT go past that pure road riding experience that ONLY a stiff rim brake whip can provide. IYKYK.
@songofyesterday Місяць тому
As a weight weenie, I want rim brakes. I don’t go biking in the rain so it’s fine.
@troycollett8540 Місяць тому
Plenty of lightweight disc brake bikes
@3310reza Місяць тому
I used to own a disc gravel bike. I sold it because I had to bleed the brakes, no time to work on it or even took it to the bike shop, due to my current stage of life as a new father. Then I rebuilt my old rim brake frameset, and use that bike until today. Apart from better performance of disc brake, rim brake is the one that only take a couple of minutes to work on, good for my current situation. I spend less time maintaining the bike, spend more time with my family. Win win for now. If I had more spare time in the near future, I'd love to get a disc brake bike once again, and keep the current rim brake bike.
@ebikescrapper3925 Місяць тому
The reason they want the bike back is it's an old model and therefore negative advertising.
@gcntech Місяць тому
We're always happy to take a new one! 💨
@hirveeressi Місяць тому
For a mountain bike discs are a no brainer and I wouldn't have it any other way. Road bikes are fine with rim brakes. My 105- rim brake road bike takes 32mm tires (nominal, 30mm measured), barely. It was cheap and is easily home servicable. Perfect for long, chill rides that might include occasional gravel sections.
@FranderPoel Місяць тому
I have a pinarello f10 with rim brakes and dura aces c50 tubular, and my friends don't get me. Thanks Alex, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one. I watch you guys every week, best wishes from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil!
@andreemurray7039 Місяць тому
Rim brake are fine for me yes carbon rim brakes are rubbish braking that's the rise of disk brakes so you can have deep section wheels I'll stick to my s-work venge doing fine I look after it
@alexgalitier1322 Місяць тому
La jante carbone sous la pluie freine pas bien mais sur le sec sa marche très bien
@gcntech Місяць тому
Great to hear you giving a bike some love and keeping it going 🙌
@TheBridgee100 Місяць тому
The most important thing is to enjoy your cycling and ride safely. Use whatever you are comfortable with and works for you. Heck cyclists have enough haters out there without turning on ourselves. I just like seeing cyclists out there enjoying themselves in the community of cyclists. When I'm out there riding and start chatting with a cyclist, whether they are riding with rim or disc brakes, a hybrid, road, gravel or mountain bike, steel, carbon, titanium or alloy is not a concern. What is important, is that it is another fellow brother or sister on the road enjoying the sport!
@rudyelizondo1935 21 день тому
To hell with disk brakes man! I love my rim brake Cervelo R3 light weight bike at only 15 lbs. I have 28 c pirelli tires for comfort and no new bike can beat my combination!!! Prices are too ridiculous that only pros can afford them new. So sorry to hear that they asked for their bike back bro, too bad you couldn’t afford to buy it from them! Hope you find another rim brake bike soon!
@TheChancerdog1 Місяць тому
I may be an odd duck but ai love rim brakes for my road applications. I get into dirt and MTB on the other hand I’m taking disc easily and happily. Also my main road bike is a 2013 DI2 Madone in 10s and I don’t miss any kind of gearing having 11 and 12 configs as well. Think that era from 2012-2017 was peak bike
@Sutlore007 Місяць тому
I wish groupset manufacturers still produce some individual spared and consumable parts for rim brake, just for rim brake lovers like some of us in the next 10-20 years or so...please.
@alexgalitier1322 Місяць тому
On trouvera toujours des pièces sur le marché occasion pas étonnant de revoir des groupes mecanique sortir shimano la fait en 105 et campa en record super record 12 v
@cliffmcleroy8168 Місяць тому
My first experience with the 105 disc group has not been very good. I've bled the rear brake several times and the lever feels is still a little mushy and too close to the bar. The front rotor kisses the pads when out of the saddle (both sides, and I'm only 150 lbs). I expect that things will improve as the pads bed in, but so far I'm not impressed. Not worth the weight, complexity and mess.
@yonglingng5640 Місяць тому
Is this 105 R7020 or R7120?
@cliffmcleroy8168 Місяць тому
@@yonglingng5640 it's r7010, 11 speed. Maybe the 7120 is easier to bleed
@yonglingng5640 Місяць тому
@@cliffmcleroy8168 Did you tilt the bike to burp out any trapped air inside the reservoir? Was the brake lever reach reset to the furthest position away from the drop?
@cliffmcleroy8168 Місяць тому
@@yonglingng5640 yes, I tilted it forward and back. I've gotten some slight improvement after my 3rd/4th time bleeding but the lever still engages too close to the bar. Is it possible to adjust the engagement point? If these were cable operated, I would simply tighten the cable a little.
@yonglingng5640 Місяць тому
@@cliffmcleroy8168 The 105 ST-R7020 has no free stroke adjustment, only lever reach adjustment. Make sure the lever reach is set to the furthest position to cancel out any illusions of the brake lever touching the drop when pulled to the max. If in doubt, double-check the hydraulic connections too.
@madmick9205 Місяць тому
I totally prefer rim brakes. I've got two road bikes both rim brakes. I've a MTB with disk. No matter what I do, the noise when braking is annoying. The braking is not so much better than rim brakes. Not enough for me to care anyway...
@kleen00 Місяць тому
My ‘14 CAAD 10 with Sram Red 10s, Zipp 303 firecrest with latex and 26mm P Zeros isn’t slower than my ‘23 TCR advanced pro, but the extra compliance from 30mm tires and frame, plus disc brakes and 12 speed make it hard to not ride the modern bike.
@alexgalitier1322 Місяць тому
Avantage de rouler en 30 mn ?
@gcntech Місяць тому
Interesting! When do you ever take the old bike out instead? 👀
@melonhusk Місяць тому
Selling my 105 rim brake bike and getting a 105 disk brake one would cause me a loss of 1000 to 1500 euros. Can't possibly justify that upgrade.
@thiscocks Місяць тому
And have a bike which is harder to service and looks worse.
@user-d32658 Місяць тому
@@thiscocks How incapable are you guys? 🤣 Disc brake maintenance takes 5 times 10 minutes per year if you train a lot. That’s less than one hour for far superior breaking performance.
@joonaskekkonen5160 Місяць тому
I think it is about what you're used to. When I got my first disc brakes, I was used to rim brakes and found it time-consuming to learn how to install, adjust and maintain the new brakes. Now I find them less time-consuming, but my opinion chamged only after I got enough work done with disc brakes to be as proficient with them as I was with rim brakes.
@madyogi6164 Місяць тому
@@user-d32658 Rim maintnance takes 1 time per 3-4 years... :D
@user-d32658 Місяць тому
@@madyogi6164 How many km per year do you train? And how many vertical meters?
@janstegmann9207 Місяць тому
I agree that disc brakes are more hassle and perhaps less elegant. However, as a big guy of 200cm and just shy of 100kg, disc brakes have made a huge difference on descents. Gives me much more confidence and allows me to really ride and enjoy descending. So that more than makes up for the drawbacks 👌🏻
@yonglingng5640 Місяць тому
In your case, disc brakes are safer for you, so that's fine. One of the UKpostsrs I know burned his rims when he was still heavy (heavier than you are) and on rim brakes (he's now on disc), now he's not as heavy.
@MichaelWilliams-iv6dj Місяць тому
I like comparing some of the comments with Ollie’s Pinarello factory tour. You can still get a new rim brake Pinarello, but it is about 100 to 1 disc/rim brake. That said. I still hang on to my Campy EPS Madone 9 rim brake bike as everything else in my collection moves to discs. I just really like that bike and that group is the last Campy group I will probably ever own. I just can’t get excited, or afford the new stuff.
@DonaldWesterdale Місяць тому
Having 2 identical French road bike, 1 with dura-ace rim brakes on alloy Zips , the other has front hydro disc/ rear hydro caliper on ENVE 45’s w/Wound-Up fork. The difference at speed is undeniable. Anything that increases my safety factor is on board
@Timtimzi Місяць тому
As a F12r owner, the title of this video just makes it seem like GCN is pushing the agenda towards newer expensive bike tech.
@a1white Місяць тому
Yeah very clickbaity. They know what they’re doing 😅
@HowP88 Місяць тому
Welcome to UKposts
@PP-cm4re Місяць тому
As always
@matkrek Місяць тому
Brand sponsors want this
@TroubleshootGamingMeds Місяць тому
It's basically all they do brotha
@lokerola Місяць тому
Love my rim brake bikes. I do the last rim brake carbon "modern" TRC that Giant made. It fits up to 32mm tires and I've put in HED wheel with fat Conti tires. Love it.
@gcntech Місяць тому
Ooo nice bike! 👌
@chillipepper83 Місяць тому
RIM is king! Though I did recently try the new campy record disc when had the best modulation/feel vs. Shimano and SRAM… definitely making strides in that space! 👍
@mireia3208 Місяць тому
I think what killed definitely rim breaks are the combination of thru axles and carbon rims... . Wider tires just contributed to dig even a deeper tomb
@HungryPanda3287 Місяць тому
And the cycling industry wanting people to spend more money, that too.
@dh7314 Місяць тому
@@HungryPanda3287yeah I hate it when business make money, I prefer when they lose money and go out of business
@cuebj Місяць тому
Agreed... at the higher price levels. And I've got 38 mm tyres on my Orbea town bike - they look enormous compared to anything I've ridden in 60 years. Quality-wise, they don't offer a particularly good ride and I'd change them if it was my only bike and I wanted to do long rides on it. The vast improvement over equivalents from previous eras is the cable disk brakes. It took me a while to get adjustment of pads, level reach, tension just right but, now, I find them great and I wouldn't want to go back to calipers, cantilevers, or V-brakes for riding in town down our steep hills in the wet on mediocre rims. I just wish the 'fashion' for wider tyres and rims had come ten years earlier as my budget doesn't run to new wheels and tyres for my 2018 Roubaix
@HungryPanda3287 Місяць тому
@dh7314 The more expensive, faffy and heavy that bike parts get, the more difficult it is for noobs (new people) to get into cycling. Which kills the industry in the long run. Rim brakes are lighter, easier to work on and cheaper than disc. So why phase rim brakes out? Because companies that are already making mad dosh want to maximise their profits.
@petergiourelas3753 Місяць тому
Brakes
@NonFlyiingDutchman Місяць тому
As a casual rider I don't want disc brakes I want rim brakes. I get that disc brakes have better braking performance but rim brakes are enough for me and I want the ease of maintenance, and ease of changing a tyre when I get a puncture......I also want to keep my quick-release wheels as I don't want to carry tools with me and I don't want tubeless tyres as I don't want the mess and faff of replacing the sealant
@neil_down_south Місяць тому
I'm paranoid about a hydraulic hose/part being knocked when I leave the bike on train or ferry. Cable rim brakes are far easier to look after for a solo rider. Ditto inner tubes.
@dainiusvysniauskas2049 Місяць тому
Disc brakes don't make it harder to change a tyre though. It's an illogical argument made by senile old farts who are on suicide watch due to being unable to cope with disc brakes taking over
@HowP88 Місяць тому
It is easy to change wheels with disc brakes - the only concern is accidentally pressing the brake lever when the wheel is off, but even that is easy enough to fix on the road by using a tyre lever to reset the pads. It's new techniques to learn but really not hard to and the benefits are so much greater.
@scottf3456 Місяць тому
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049interestingly enough one thing disc brakes can't stop is a person being an ass.
@NonFlyiingDutchman Місяць тому
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 "t's an illogical argument made by senile old farts who are on suicide watch due to being unable to cope with disc brakes taking over"......no, it's just a preference, I don't want to faff around with bleeding brake lines. I've never felt like my rim brakes were not enough and I'd like the choice but the options for new bikes with rim brakes are diminishing
@TheImprobableIronman Місяць тому
Spot on. I've just put together a TT bike, using parts sourced mainly from eBay and, even with TT brake levers (that feel like they couldn't actually lever anything) the stopping is great. Having just gone shopping for an upgraded wheelset, I'm thankful for the Chinese manufacturers still making rim brake wheels you'd actually want to buy.
@ErwinPfuhler Місяць тому
I stay with my Canyon CF SL rim-brake bike, because it ist light and fast. Besides this I appreciate my disc-brake gravel bike.
@een_schildpad 29 днів тому
Si was right about peak bike 😉 I have bikes with both rim and disc, and I say rim is the way to go! Simple, easy to maintain, light. If you want more brake power, stick a pair of cool stop salmon pads on there and it will practically throw you off the bike. It go even farther and say stay away from the hydraulic crap. A mechanical brake cable is way easier to maintain, and if it ever needs replacing any bike shop will have them. I got a small leak in my hydraulic caliper and the only practical resolution was to go buy and expensive hydraulic caliper and lever (so they were matched).
@christopherharmon9336 Місяць тому
I have a 2011 Cannondale Synapse, and a 1998 Gary Fisher mountain bike (commuter) with V-brakes. Both bikes have external cables. They are EASY to work on, and easy to live with. I also have a modern hardtail, and I do love the power of discs brakes, but the old bikes bring simplicity to my life. The old bikes function well for the roles they fill, and for practical purposes, have almost no value. It makes no sense to sell them.
@Hunttherider Місяць тому
Just dropped some HUNT carbon rim brake hoops onto my 2008 Cervelo R3, it’s like a new bike and now makes that pro-level whirring sound that I thought only other bikes made 😊
@gcntech Місяць тому
Oooo it's all about that sound! That really makes a bike 👌
@michaelmechex Місяць тому
I don't really get why Pinarello would want that bike back. It's 5 years old, very used and completely outdated. It has like 15% of it's original value, what is Pinarello going to do with it?
@kinghadu9611 Місяць тому
They will refurbish it and sell it as new, pretty simple
@MiguelAugusto1982 Місяць тому
I love that bike as well... ❤❤❤😍
@HowP88 Місяць тому
I want to know where you are buying 5 year old bikes at only 15% of their original value 😂
@michaelmechex Місяць тому
@@HowP88 on my local used bike sale website. There are tons of top end rim brake bikes posted for around 2k€ and no one is buying them.
@michaelmechex Місяць тому
@@HowP88 on my local used bike sale website. There are tons of top end rim brake bikes posted for 2k€ or so and no one is buying them.
@chipdouglas9349 26 днів тому
Been riding the same aluminum Cannondale f900 with rim brakes since the late 90s. No complaints. Have a Specialized bike with entry level SRAM disc brakes. Definitely heavier and at least the entry level disc brakes are not even close to Rim performance. On the disc brakes, the wires are always coming unlocked and the pads seem not to grab the rotor enough. Constantly get moments of fear when the bike isnt stopping in reasonable distance and force needed to of brake is unnatural and takes far more strength than the rim brakes do
@Bu-22 Місяць тому
I’ve never owned a disc brake bike, and by no means am I against disc brakes. I can do very basic maintenance on a bike, but not the more complicated stuff. In my mind, the least complicated combination to work on yourself would be electronic groupset, rim brakes that are externally routed, and tubed tires. Again I’ve never owned disc brakes so correct me if I’m wrong.
@richdyer2000 Місяць тому
Discs were a game changer for MTB, and not just performance - I was getting through a set of rims a season in my xc racing days! For road, I just see them as a means to facilitate larger tyre clearances and provide better support for carbon rims etc, and hydraulics can be routed fully internally without worrying about tight bends or ever having to replace them.
@gcntech Місяць тому
For anything off road we would agree! Discs are a must 🙌 Would you run rim or discs on a road bike?
@sabrowenie 23 дні тому
My Service Course has a few bikes. Some are disc, some rim. My preferred bike is a 2013 Litespeed Tuscany. The only downside is that it won’t fit a tire bigger than 25c. Switched over wider rims. My tire of choice is Specialized Roubaix 700x 23/25. My LBS let me know they were being discontinued. Bought a supply of them. The clearance on the rear is pretty tight but acceptable.
@andrewl.3460 Місяць тому
There’s a place for both, ride and love what’s best for you! Just don’t be hateful about someone picking something else.
@Clumsoethewonderdog Місяць тому
Great vid, I'm cool with both rim and disc brakes. Never had a problem stopping with rim brakes. Availability of carbon wheels for rim brakes is starting to become a problem. shame as I only have bikes with rim brakes at the moment. wonder whats heavier, Rim brakes or disc brakes?
@yonglingng5640 Місяць тому
You can opt for self-configured builds at a reputable wheelbuilding studio. Your wheelset, your spec. Rims, spokes & nipples and hubs.
@ivankrsnik9640 Місяць тому
rim brakes with alu rims, no difference than discs, I have both...rim brakes with carbon rims are ok on flats and not too big descents, but on very steep descents (15-20%) are just very bad and unsafe and I will never ever use them on hard and long mountain descends (e.g. 1000m to sea level)
@rlm4471 Місяць тому
Carbon wheels are lighter than alloy, but disc brakes are heavier than rim. It seems like there isn't a significant net benefit in switching to carbon and disc, at least in terms of weight.
@yonglingng5640 Місяць тому
@@rlm4471 Weight placement matters too. If we compare like for like, a rim brake wheel is heavier at the rim since it needs more material to handle the thermal capacity of rim braking. For a disc brake wheel, the hub is heavier, but the rim can now be made as light as safely allowed.
@kelwong8947 Місяць тому
Have multiple Road bikes from vintage 531 steel to DeRosa King all with Campagnolo Record groups and alloy wheels. Wheels easily interchange. No possible “upgrade” to disc for me.
@chinfongliew5791 28 днів тому
I still prefer rim brake to disc brake road bike for weight minimization consideration. One thing need to keep in mind is that center bolt type caliper brake is easier to buy than direct mount type.
@kaltonian Місяць тому
I like disk brakes, but to look at i like rim brakes just for the fact they look cleaner & more stream line, but they have to be ultegra at the very least, but with wider tyres finally being recognised as the way forward then that's were rim brakes may suffer due to possibly not fitting anything above 28's, unless there is a gravel bike version that can be fitted to a road bike without looking to bulky then cool.
@matkrek Місяць тому
Wider is being pushed simply for comfort but you can have a comparable 25-28mm setup in terms of speed
@brendonsmith5029 Місяць тому
Yep got a rim brake bike and love it. Lots of great second hand high spec gear out there for upgrades too. Best bang for buck you can get.
@yonglingng5640 Місяць тому
Yeah, these bikes make more sense these days, especially if they want a bike that's not too big of a headache to maintain. My biggest concern with such bikes is service and accident history, especially given the fact that I used to work on bikes for a living. Was it ever serviced well? How many times did it crash or take a tumble? Which shops have worked on the bike? And so on.
@seansims8805 27 днів тому
Official gen x mtber all life rider ,from the sting ray hood hopping days on the west coast of the USA....I ride a 2014 focus izalco on roval sl45s , it's the best ride I've ever had , put it together used bin for $800 . I'm looking at a disc for a new rig but will grab the top spec rim frames if I see one ....provided it fits 28s
@yapMY Місяць тому
Imo, bike is a simple machine that can brings joy to anyone, and I prefer not to complicate or make it overly expensive. I hope that one day we can hear about new technology for rim brakes.
@tylertruksa1378 Місяць тому
Generally I find that I have plenty of braking performance, even in the wet, with an aluminum brake track on rim brakes. Even with aluminum wheels the whole weight of the bike is significantly less. But more importantly, the grip on the brakes scales much better with the grip on the road in wet conditions and reduces the chances of me losing grip on the ground. If the bottleneck is going to be anywhere, I definitely prefer it happens at the brakes and not at the road, because is one case I stop a little slower and in the other case I lose control completely. It’s a pretty big deal. In gravel and mtb locking up the rear wheel is part of the technique for good cornering and steep descents, but that doesn’t translate with a static road surface. Neither does one finger braking, which is also important in a bumpy context but not on tarmac. Also less chance of brake rub, cheaper, etc etc. Tire clearance is an issue but I think that’s more to do with the timing. No one was running wider than 28s just a couple years ago, they could just, ya know, make wider clearance rim brakes to fit the new trend. Idk, I don’t think disc really makes a ton of sense for the road bike, pro or otherwise.
@alexgalitier1322 Місяць тому
Tu a raison il y a 15 ans stagiaire en cycles le vendeur me disais pas besoin de disque en route inutile prise de poids complexité d entretien ....
@authalic 29 днів тому
Last year, I picked up one of the final remaining Canyon models with rim brakes. It's a carbon frame with Ultegra all-around and was priced a little over half the cost of the same bike with disc brakes. Still can't believe I got it.
@gkott78 Місяць тому
I upgraded my older rim brake road bike with some 50mm deep section carbon wheels. Even with the swiss stop pads, i notice a dramatic weakness in braking compared to alloy rim brakes. It would appear that the now obtainable cost of carbon wheels is really what led to rim brakes being phased out. Carbon wheels are just better with discs. I recently bought a new gravel bike with carbon wheels and disc brakes and after only a few rides i was convinced its the way to go. When i do replace the old roadie eventually, the disc upgrade will be welcome.
@CS1174 28 днів тому
Ive a rim brake 2020 Giant TCR Advanced Pro, mechanical and it weighs 7.3kg. It flies and stops incredibly well. A joy to ride, I doubt I could buy anything to match that today in terms of how light it is and build spec, for the price it cost in 2020.
@CatManDoSocial Місяць тому
I've wondered for years how the GCN bike sponsorships worked. Giving them back to the manufacturers was not at the top of my list. Very interesting. I'd love to learn more about how things like that work at the GCN networks.
@danielhertercasagrande1686 23 дні тому
I am 68 yrs old I like the 2019 bikes also ideally with mechanical derailleurs it’s simple light stiff etc I recently bought a bargain a Giant TCR with carbon rims with less than 2000km for the price of the wheels
@kevinmcnamara7184 28 днів тому
Have both. Ride all types of surfaces and terrain. I live in hilly area that gets plenty of rain. Sometimes need to pull harder on the lever when riding with wet rims, but can't say I ever felt that the brakes were truly inadequate.
@ronhigh8370 Місяць тому
Rim brakes rock!! Have them on a scott cr1 elite and a parlee altumr, beautiful!! Safe riding everyone
@user-sz5yk9in7o 13 годин тому
I’ve ridden rim brakes all my life in my road bike… I spent two years living in the volcano-country of Central Java, where I rode a Felt AR1Di2 with Dura Ace rim brakes on EastonER90 wheels… rode steep, steep rides the mental weather of tropical Indonesia… still as good as disc-brakes and they don’t make stupid noises all the time… riding the same bike now in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco…
@TheVinnythevman Місяць тому
No issues with latex tubes and carbon rim brakes? Is this a non-issue away from alpine descents?
@jmpete517 Місяць тому
I love the rim brakes on my 2011 Trek Madone. In my part of the world they stop me just fine. The Ultegra brakes are easy to service and maintain but that is rare. Disc brakes are much more finicky (I have both cable and hydro) and take more time to adjust. Great for a mountain bike but rim brakes are my go to for the road.
@GeoffreyAnnison-mo6sd Місяць тому
2015 BMC SLR01 with Di2 ultegra and DT Swiss wheels. Rim brakes, v.light for climbing, v. fast downhill. My favorite road bike.
@edymarkonthego4096 Місяць тому
What is the best bike today is what you owned. Keep riding and enjoy.
@alexgalitier1322 Місяць тому
My bike super six evo 2017❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@jamesmckenzie3532 Місяць тому
The F12 is a much watered down version of the original Dogma. However the wave still exists and is capable of absorbing some road noise. That's a major advantage of the entire Pinarello line.
@andyaudidriver Місяць тому
as a Car mechanic i hate rim brakes since the 90` ^^ i Was very happy when V-Brakes arrived^^
@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589 Місяць тому
Yes, grey aluminium oxide slurry/carbon brake shoe/rim particulate all over everything after wet rides is may favourite thing!
@paulwillis8504 Місяць тому
I have rim brakes and the downside is having to replace wheels every 10 to 12000 km due to rim wear. It is cheaper and easier to replace rotors...
@carolmcdermott7844 Місяць тому
You can replace the rims. But surprised at such a low mileage - you either brake a lot or ride in wet weather so you get grit wearing down the rims. I'd expect at least 30k km from alloy rims.
@jkk916 28 днів тому
@@carolmcdermott7844 That is very low mileage indeed. I have 50000 km on my carbon fiber rims and they are still fine.
@thecoffeeblog Місяць тому
Now is the best time to get a rim-break bike. Dentists have moved to disc breaks and deals for rim-break bikes are incredible.
@suhdud4646 Місяць тому
Alexs new catch phrase - "However!" PS: The editor of this video is an obvious gentleman and scholar as they seem to be a connoisseur of synthwave and nailed the music for this video. Particularly - 1:27 scene.
@kevinsteele4455 29 днів тому
I love my rim brakes on my 2008 entry level bike, and have never thought I needed anything else, on the road, at least. They work great, and I can service them myself. I guess the fact that I still have my cheap, old bike, I might be on the stingy side of things!
@aitorl8986 Місяць тому
Just saying but with UE side brake the front brake cable goes straight line to the rim brake… smoth and perfect 😍
@_gawen Місяць тому
Just bought an old Ultimate CF SL, it's rim brake, and it's nice that way. Meanwhile, my more recent Canyon with disk brake has its front brake totally off because of fluids shenanigans.
@yonglingng5640 Місяць тому
Maybe the hydraulic connection was imperfect.
@thenormalberries6767 Місяць тому
The 32 y/o XTR cantilevers on one of my mtb's are stupid strong. High end rim brake are *not* lacking in the dry with alloy rims.
@DavidVidaurri Місяць тому
I got a chance to ride a similar bike with disc brakes and sram etap when it was brand new and I was blown away by the performance. You could literally feel the speed . Incredible
@germanwizbang6250 Місяць тому
I feel like so many of the people who don't like or want disc brakes because they don't want the faff of maintaining them aren't considering that disc brakes don't have to be hydraulic. I have mechanical disc brakes, and they are just as easy to install or adjust as rim brakes ever were. I'm not saying if you have rim brakes that you should immediately change to disc brakes, but the argument that discs are hard to maintain just isnt true if you go mechanical. It seems silly to me to refuse to consider something new just because the highest end of that thing is messy and difficult for most people.
@alexgalitier1322 Місяць тому
Le frein mécanique a disque n à aucun intérêt par rapport à du patin traditionnel l hydraulique oui pour la puissance de freinage
@McBeatha Місяць тому
You forgot to mention the most important part which is rim brakes are undeniably faster in every possible way
@freedapain88 Місяць тому
Rim for the reasons that they work perfectly well for my non-elite competition needs - if they're good enough for Tadej to win the tour only a few years ago do I seriously need anything that technically performs better? Also they're low maintenance to maintain, easy to clean without contaminating and possibly most importantly to me I actually think they look a lot better than discs..
@klx-y Місяць тому
Alex, I've got A S specialized allez sprint rim version upgraded with SRAM reed aero-link 12-speed wireless full groupset I also have you same wheelset here in this video and to be honest ill never change or swap my bike for a top-of-the-range Cervelo S5 for example or any other
@yonglingng5640 Місяць тому
Nice, find a spare headset A.S.A.P if you haven't already as it's proprietary, not even Enduro Bearings have an offering for this model.
@ptmguitar Місяць тому
That Pinarello looks better than any disc brake bike. The delusion of people who need to find ways of justifying the 6 grand they've spent on a new disc-brake-electronic-gear-spaceship is comical to me. Cycling isn't a complicated sport until you go out of your way to make it one.
@user-d32658 Місяць тому
It’s just superior technology. The fact that you just can’t afford it is not a proper argument. A Porsche is better than a Lada, even when it’s too expensive for you.
@ptmguitar Місяць тому
@user-d32658 Yeah, many of the pros not even liking disc brakes and the famous video of Mollema screaming about SRAM must mean the technology is fantastic! Eddy Merckx on a butchers bike still smokes an egotist like yourself on an S-Works
@user-d32658 Місяць тому
@@ptmguitar Strange how sensitive you are about the topic. Could it be because you just can’t afford it? 😅
@ptmguitar Місяць тому
@user-d32658 Could it be that you're just someone who thinks cycling is the new golf and you need to spend 10 grand to go on a 14mph club ride?
@jkk916 28 днів тому
@@user-d32658 That technology is only superior at making you look dumb.
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