Long time suffer from RSI here. What helped for me a lot was getting the monitor height right, the neck/shoulders can put lot of pressure on the nerves in your arms, which leads to wrists pain. Did a lot of yoga and Alexander technique which helped a lot too. Best mouse I have found so far is a contour mouse, they help put your wrist in a more neutral position. Keyboard wise I’m really loving the 360, but I’m using a 36 key layout on it, the reduced finger movement and stretching has reduced my pain levels to the best ever. Tried the flat split keyboard but can quickly feel a flare up coming. The key wells and tenting on the 360 are awesome. Hopefully one day I’ll try out the glove 80. Keep up the great content 😊

This video could not have come at a better time for me! Looking forward to watching

I think one of the main resons the Kinesis brand does well is that they are in corporate accounts. I needed to get ergo and my employeer was only setup with a few brands - I just ended up on the Kinesis Adv Pro. I really wanted the Glove80 but it was not in any of my options. I had the same experience as you - the day I switched my RSI was gone. It was amazing. It has given me my life back.

I think you’ve convinced me to try the Glove80. I want to make the transition to split keyboards. I like the design of the voyager but it might be too difficult as new in this area. Thank you great video!!

0:15 Youch, I didn't expect to be so mercilessly called out to start off this video!

Glad I found this video; I am on the lookout for my next keyboard, coming from a long-time RealForce enjoyer. Didn't even know most of those styles exist. ty!

love your ergo keyboard videos. keep them coming! big fan

Great vid, thank you! Would've loves to see some b-rolls of you typing on these keyboards.

Thanks for adding a new video over the long weekend, I love this topic! I like your reviews because you are a programmer like me so you appreciate larger numbers of keys. For me, the main step in getting rid of my RSI was getting an Evoluent Vertical mouse. I tried some fancier ones and cheaper ones, but none of them worked for me. There are two topics that I've never seen mentioned in any video comments or forums: 1. I like the fact that Oryx allows you to program the LED colors for each key, because I like to change these per layer. For instance, I have a gaming/number key layer and when I use this it highlights "easf", as you mentioned, on the left hand, while creating a 9 number layout on the right hand. Each of my layers have different color coding which is the main reason I haven't switched over to the Glove 80. The rainbow fade is pretty, but not utilitarian. 2. Why is it that contoured keyboard users that use the Voyager don't get RSI? Well, I think that it is because the columnar layout on the Voyager is more vertically staggered and closer to matching people's actual finger lengths than the Moonlander was. When you lay your fingers down flat on it, your main 4 digits line up more accurately with the keys and so you don't need to cup your fingers anymore. Because of this, I've come to a theory that if manufactures measured the finger lengths and made different sizes of keyboard for different sizes of hands, that would make flat keyboards like the ZSAs totally acceptable.

awesome video man -- super thorough and honest -- love to see it!

It's always interesting to see the different ways developers tackle RSI. At work I use a Leopold keyboard and bind the caps lock to control (emacs user). At home ironically I have a red dragon blue switch keyboard and I don't need to modify anything. Love your videos!

Subbed, RSI is a major factor and not many reviewers discuss it. Thank you very much! You sold me on the glove 80.

Thanks for the fantastic content on split keyboards! Your reviews and comparisons are incredibly helpful. I'm curious, do you primarily focus on columnar layout, or are you open to trying staggered ones? We've chosen a staggered layout for our first keyboard with the aim of encouraging more people to give them a try. Your insights on different layouts would be invaluable to us.

Thank you for the in-depth reviews! I'm looking for a split keyboard to help my shoulders/neck, and some occasional wrist/finger pain (usually after gaming a lot, which I don't do as much now but still sometimes). Leaning towards the Glove80 now after some research. Previously was interested in the Advantage360 introduced by ThePrimeagen, but read an article about how Glove80 is designed even better re: the curve and the heights and the keycaps and the key angles. And your video solidified my choice! ~12:30 I like ESDF, since the hand sits where it ought to for typing. But have to remap a bunch of bindings. Or use WASD but without using the index finger (use other 3 fingers), so again the hand can sit in the correct spot, but could be hard on the pinky!

Thanks for the reviews. Coming from the Corne keyboard, the two thumb keys put me off the Voyager. However, I just noticed Oryx supports combo keys now, and I will be testing if I can configure the 3rd thumb key by pressing the 2 keys.

Thank you, great video!

In the process of having work either get a glove80, moonlander, or advantage 360. Perfect timing to help with the decision next week!

yo i love the vid, super informative thanks! (probably gonna start with the Moonlander). Just wanted to say, I'm not sure what you goals are with the channel but I would for sure link to each of the keyboards in the description (i looked to check them out individually on their company websites (bonus if they were affiliate links!)). also, linking the to the other keyboard-specific videos would probably help drive views on those as well (added benefit if you also throw links to the respective keyboard in each of those videos as well. anyway cheers!

Oryx is the reason why I got my first split keyboard as the Voyager, I think it is trully underrated and the team keeps updating it giving us more features. (Also I work in a hybrid model so portablity is really important to me)

20 seconds into the video and the man has confronted me with my purchasing obsession.

I was hoping there would be a sale on for the Voyager, Black Friday n’all. I have a glove 80 but it’s a bit of a ‘statement piece’ whipping it out in a coffee shop. 😂

Got my glove 80 because of ur recommendation I love it. No more RSI

Great video, it will help people to pick the right one.

Hey, thanks for the video. What helped me with my RSI was switching over to a trackball. Instead of the whole arm, one needs to just move the thumb, massive difference. Took me 1 week to adjust, never looked back, RSI gone. Insanely comfortable compared to ANY mouse. Give it a try if you have some time, you will love it.

Have tried all of these as well! I still go back to the Corne running VIAL. Ticks every box and has the best thumb cluster around (3 keys). Pinky stagger is there but not too much. Spot on.

I used an older version of the kinesis that saved my RSI. Nice to see the model updated a bit with larger f-keys. I don't use it much today, but it did save MY LIFE when in extreme distress due to arm pains.

Just got the voyager this weekend and still learning. putting LEFT, UP, RIGHT on one row is a game changer. took a while to get used to it but ill never look back

I found that the biggest helper for my RSI was to switch over to a trackball mouse, particularly the Logitech Mx Ergo Plus. Being able to have the mouse angled to reduce pronation was a god send with this mouse.

I'd suggest looking into trying either the Dygma raise and or defy!. I have both and am extremely happy. Been using the raise for a few years with the tenting kit, and the defy for a little over a month. Raise is staggered and the defy is columnar.

I got a Moonlander, but became interested the Ergodox Ez. I recommend the Ergo over the Moonlander for a static office, and I suspect the voyager is better if you need some portability

As for gaming, having used keyboards like these for 15 years for work and games, in my experience nothing beats reconfiguring every game from WASD to ESDF (or the Colemak equivalent in my case). Yes, it is a bit of a PITA and takes an extra 10 minutes to do, but it is super comfortable. I only use the left keyboard half when gaming, and put the right half further back, so the mouse can be in the most ergonomic position. When chatting in game I have to reach a bit further back with my right arm, but that's fine, also there's often voice communication via Discord or the like. BTW on my non-gaming computers (Macs) I use either a trackpad (Apple's) or Trackball (Elecom Deft Pro) to have some variety, I think it helps with RSI.

Thank you for touching upon RSI issues. Having these since 14 (gaming too much). Now 28, Data Scientist, programming loads gives me flare ups now and again. Checked your previous vids on Glove80, though this vid first one to get deeper into RSI. Now the price seems more proportional to the value it may give to those who suffer RSI. Truth be told, using magic keyboard and mouse and not helping me at all :D

Just ordered a keyboard yesterday largely based on your other videos yesterday and got a little freaked out when i started watching this video being like "Oh damn - please don't contradict my purchase reasoning". Luckily that's not the case. For me, it was a decision between Glove80 and Voyager - having used a ZSA Ergodox since it came out. I went for a Voyager - my reasoning - Being blessed not to have RSI (but cautious not to get it because like you I love my programming job) it is mainly about efficiency and comfort with little tinkering for me - You covered on big point for me - gaming - i have a “regular” keyboard just for gaming at the moment due to the “domino effect” you mentioned - i think out of the 4 compared voyager will enable the least friction with games - Using the keyboard in an open floor office the voyager will be the least “freaky” - while I love having the “oh wow - what is THAT?” conversation every now and then I think the voyager will turn less heads on first sight. E.g. using it portable during workshops with people etc. It still retains the “don’t try to use my keyboard” protection due to blank keys :P (I hate when people “quickly wanna show” me something on my machine) - being a user of ZSA’s configurator I don’t wanna go for anything else that is less convenient - Being forced into a smaller layout - like you mentioned in the video. I noticed on my ergodox that I could easily also have the small keys on the thumb cluster with a Homerow mod - something that the voyager will now force me to do. Do you have any recommendations for voyager tenting solutions by any chance? (you show some in some of your videos - i did get the tripod mounts)? Might even be interesting for a broader audience what is your experience with those (e.g. with your glove80 on your chair etc.) Thanks for all the great content around split keyboards! Highly appreciated!

The keyboard options that you presented to us are amazing but I think that for those prices I can buy a Lily58 Wireless and try different layouts easier for half the price.

Really appreciate your thorough reviews! I love my Advantage 2, but needed a more portable option as my new role is hybrid, so I just pulled the trigger on the glove80. Do you have any ergonomic mice you'd recommend?

Thanks for awesome content. I have been torn between voyager and glove80. I don’t have RSI but I would like to try to avoid it if possible. Can you do a video between voyager and glove80? Thanks!

I just subbed as a show of solidarity as I too have prefrontal cortex, um, challenges. As to gaming I long ago realized that programming and gaming were substantially different activities. So I standardized on putting the "typing keyboard" aside for games and using a left-hand gaming Razer keyboard (20 keys + a thumb-operated mini joystick) combined with a Redragon MMO mouse (12 thumb keys). Changing their profiles lacks the convenience of shifting layers on today's split keyboards, but on the other hand the time required for changing their per-game profiles is insignificant when compared to the coffee breaks provided by today's AAA loading screens.

Just Like you foretold: i am a software engineer and i have been using a Ferris sweep full time for more than a year. The learning curve took some time but i absolutely love it. It fixed most of my rsi issues. Only thing i am missing is tilting because i don't have a solution for that yet. I am working on it =)

For the voyager, I recommend mounting it sideways. I kinda wish the it had fewer keys.. I don’t use the outermost column or uppermost row on it so 34. I’d love to go down to 28, but then 2 letters would have to go on another layer and I kinda hate that in principle. What home row settings did you arrive at for it in terms of delays?

Haha, yeah... My first split ergo is the ferris sweep. Using it right now. Miryoku QMK with Colmak-DHm layout. I like it, but thinking about Glove80 or Moonlander so I can get some of my dedicated keys back. I like the full travel of the MX style switches on my "normie" keyboard but maybe the Glove80 will convert me with it's contours.

As a gamer and a Data Scientist... I'm at a loss for what to do. I'm so glad that I watched this video and was pretty set on the Glove80, but I can't be bothered with rebinding WASD keys or different layers just for gaming. You probably just saved me a bunch of frustration and about $650 AUD! Thank you!

I'm curious, do you use a vi type editor? I'm also a developer and I noticed that a lot of people here on UKposts that get into these ergo keyboards are into Neovim. I also like custom keyboards but more so the standard qwerty 75% layouts. I use jetbrains IDEs in my day to day so I'm not constantly typing to navigate around. Just wondering if there's any correlation between using your keyboard to navigate and RSI.

I am to get the glove80 at some point, but I wanted to experiment with something cheaper and with fewer keys. I almost went full 34-36, but my pinkies have been trained for flexibility, so I went with a Sufle Choc instead (60-ish keys, kinda like the Voyager). I also like that it is very easy to make it a gaming keyboard. For anyone reading this in EU (even worldwide, but EU for convenience) mechboards co uk are currently having one of the cheapest prebuilt preorders I've seen for such keyboards (thx to Black Friday). If you like the voyager, Sufle Choc is pretty much the same, only with more thumb keys. Corne Choc is 42 keys, and they even have Ferris Sweep (34 keys). Sadly, only wired versions, and no rgb, but at least they are a cheap entry into the niche and I'm pretty sure they have decent resale value.

The voyager was my first, but I also use the tap strap xr for extra keys and super small portability

I would have liked more of a deep dive into the GUI options. I love the Ergodox and I think their software is mostly amazing.

Great content! Thanks for taking the time to compare these four different ergonomic keyboards. Regarding the Voyager, you say, “Not having a dedicated shift key on the thumb cluster feels like it’s just really holding me back on this keyboard.” Then why aren’t you using Oryx to program one of the thumb keys as a dedicated shift key? I’m currently waiting for my Voyager to arrive and have already designed an initial layout that includes a dedicated shift key on the thumb cluster.

I just got the Kinesis 360 Pro. It feels great, but is a pain to even try to remap any keys. ( Still haven't done it).Woulda got the non-pro version, but really wanted the back lit keyboard, and that's only with the pro version. Video ides? Maybe a how-to for key remapping on the Kenesis Advantage 360 Pro?

You spoke a lot about “home row mod” on the Voyager. Could you share more about what that means and how it helps? Thanks for your keyboard videos. I’m seriously tempted to upgrade 😊

I'm at the moment a happy user of an Ultimate Hacking Keyboard and a Keyboardio Atreus. The UHK is my "work desk" keyboard and the Atreus is my travel keyboard. I love them both, for different reasons, but what they have in common of course is full-travel MX-style keys (Kailh Blue and Kailh Box White), and I absolutely love that positive mechanical travel and click. I'm really compelled by the Voyager, and while everyone is clear that the Choc low-profile switches have shorter travel and thus feel different, I'm not seeing a lot of reviews that talk about this. I get that it's a subjective thing, but I'd love to see some coverage of HOW they feel different, and if that's better or worse or if there are pluses or minuses to one vs the other.

I’m want the best one with curved well so maybe glove 80 but I prefer the look of kinesis 360. Any other options?

As someone has been daily driving a 36 key layout for almost a year now (same as Ferris sweep, but with three thumb keys. Ran it emulated with software on my laptops built in keyboard, which was horrendous but worked to try it out, and recently finished my split board build), I can honestly say that I don’t think I could use a keyboard with more rows or columns anymore. Sure I could make it work, but I’d never use anything beyond the 36 I use now. It’s the perfect number of keys that I never have to stretch even a little, and 6 thumb keys mean 6 extra layers, so I have no shortage of places to bind keys to. I think the Glove80 is likely what I’d buy if I had to go for one on the market, instead of building one myself like I did, but even if I had one, I’d only be using 36 of the keys anyways. Also portability, as a student, it’s amazing to toss my 36 key keyboard in my bag and it’s the smallest thing in my bag, and I have a full desktop class typing experience in class taking notes. Truly amazing for someone working in the go a lot. Not a callout like you said in the video, but wanted to share my experience with tiny keyboards! Even as a software engineer, it’s extremely usable! I’ll likely never go back.

Thanks for great overview! I chose Glove80 after 2 years with Moonlander. Never been happier since then. One question. Did you build the mounting plate yourself? Is there any chance to buy parts of quick release mounting somewhere on Amazon? I have one kit bought from Glove80, but need the second one for my Hotas setup, though no desire to spend another 100+ dollars on it.

I own two of the moonlander and this video just made want to consider redoing my config to have a shift ke near my index fingers lol I have been wanting to try the defy just for the multi device connectivity but given i already have a moonlander at home and at work it's been difficult to justify it

I like the MD770 split mechanical keyboard. The switches are soldered on. It's a 75% keyboard and can be configured. There are BT and wired versions.

Hey, did you saw the Naya keyboard? I will love to see your review !

Great video! I'm a big fan of a dedicated gaming layer on the Glove80. All games are WASD by default so why make things harder by remapping all your games when you can switch to a layer instantly that will work with everything.

my favorite 36-keys otho splits, any click 1 movement away, no need to stretch, most difficult was switching from qwerty to colemak-dh, but homerow/miryoku/layers are easy things to learn

Do you have a good way to use a mouse which does not involve excessive moving of your hands to the mouse from this keyboard?

I have switched from a non ergo keyboard to the glove80 recently. I an experiencing more pain than i used to, particularly while programming because curly braces are difficult to reach. I have not gone through creating a custom layer because i like to rely on defaults. Should i try going all in on layers with the ferris?

Also chipping in re: wha helped me with RSI. Biggest breakthrough for me: use a trackpad, not a mouse. This helps me so much, it seems to reduce muscle tension quite a bit. In terms of keyboard: have been using a big old clunky Microsoft natural erognomic keyboard (4000 model) and never looked back. It's not pretty and requires quite hard key presses, but it took alway all my rsi complaints and they never came back.

In terms of typing speed coming from a traditional staggered keyboard, I find that typing words like "decided" work better if I stick my elbow out to the left so i can type 'd' and 'c' with my pointer finger and 'e' with my middle finger. The columnar linearity seems like it would make it impossible to do that, but if I *had* to pick either the Voyager or the Glove80 with typing speed in mind, which do you think would be better?

Do you type with your wrist floating? I started to do that recently and it has combated my RSI severely. It’s nonexistent ever since I’ve started typing with floating wrist. According to PrimeTime, in the kinesis manual, they say you should type with floating wrists, and rest your wrists on the wrist pads when not typing.

Speaking of mice and RSI. I can't recommend a trackball enough, preferably one with a scroll ring. I learnt to use mine with my left hand, since I have problems mostly with my right. My accuracy isn't as high as a mouse but it's plenty good enough for normal use, including programmer, etc. I still use a mouse for gaming, but not using the mouse most of the time makes a big difference for em.

I've had a Kinesis Advantage for so long. Like, this one that I'm typing on now might be 15 years old. We've got 4 of them in the house (2 people, and I had one for work, and one that's really REALLY old). They're extremely reliable. I'm inclined to go towards the Kinesis not just because the customer service is great, but you pay a bit more and you get something that will work for a long, long time. My per-year cost for these keyboards is so low.

Have you tried going around the lack of three thumbs buttons on the Voyager by making the last one dual function?

I'm that guy with the ferris sweep and I only use 34 keys, but it just doesn't feel nice to type on. I've been using a moonlander with only 34 keys (removed the other keys with their zip kit), but just got my hands on a defy. I bought a second one for work about an hour after typing on it, it's really nice. Even though there are still way too many keys. Imagine how nice the zsa keyboards feel from a quality standpoint, and dial it up a bit. With the keyboards you seem to like here, I think you'd really like the defy.

Best thing about the ZSA keyboards is their hot switch capabilities. Being able to change the switches is amazing. All keyboards should offer it, though I’m aware that the Glove80 can’t do it cause of the grooves

Have you considered using a vertical mouse or a trackball? I can use a regular keyboard for hours without getting any pain, but for me, using a mouse is a very quick way to get crippling pain that will last for days. I'm very tempted to try the Glove80, it may not be as pretty as the Advantage 360 and it's thumb cluster looks way too big for my taste, but the prospect of mounting it to my chair is very appealing. I'm not sure if I'd use the Voyager as my "daily driver", but it sure looks like something I'd keep in my backpack so I don't have to use my laptop's keyboard when I'm away from home, just like I already carry a wireless trackball for such situations. My only issue with the Voyager is that is seems to be wired only... for using on the go, a wireless would be a lot more convenient. I don't mind carrying a USB cable, but my experience with split keyboards makes me want to avoid TRRS cables as much as I can.

Any suggestions about Dactyl Manuform?

So I built a modified Corne keyboard. My first split keyboard, I'm sort of regretting going so ham. But it's not for the lack of keys, it's because I did not know I would need to use ZMK when I built it. So I'm stuck with a keyboard layout that is not mine (I pulled the config file from the git repo I got the board from). Anyway I have no clue how to work with zmk 😅

It sure is expensive to have health issues isn’t it? I’m currently using a Microsoft sculpt and haven’t cut over to a columnar yet. I can’t really use any other keyboard my right hand slowly gets nerve issues/will go numb. I’m on the fence and considering the Glove80. I want low profile and wrist rests, I’ll never compromise there. Only thing holding me back is the noise, the Glove sounds loud, I’ve gotten used to nearly silent typing which is a big deal on calls for me. I think if the Glove was hot-swappable I would have pulled the trigger already. So much to consider…

I got wrist pains, tried an Alice layout, did not help at all, then i went split (lily58) which helped a lot, then got progressively less keys, I am typing on a 34 key ferris sweep right now. The more you adapt and learn to use smaller layouts, the more productive I've become, at this point, anything with more keys feels like a burden to type on.

Biggest thing I have ever done to help my RSI was to get a Logitech MX Ergo trackball.

As a software developer with joint issues, I'm starting to really think about longevity in my early 30s. I'm currently using a regular keyboard but I have my eye on that glove80. I'll go watch your in depth review. Thank you! Btw for gaming you could use separate arrow keys if the curved keyboard doesn't work. I bought a set when I bought a keyboard that turned out to be a 60% as opposed to a 65% (why name in 65 tho! but I probably should have noticed...) and because I type in dvorak I find that it's useful for games that don't revert my dvorak to qwerty for wasd. I put the separate arrows on the left so I can arrow + mouse. Edit: About the mouse, I found my hand really starts to hurt with a small mouse. I'm a relatively petite (read: short) woman with small hands, but they handed me an Apple magic mouse at work and oh boy the hand pain was real. I ended up requesting an ergonomic mouse when you turn your hand to the side like a handshake and I'm very happy. I'll probably get one for my personal setup. Another thing: have you seen the Dactyl Manuform? It's a little bit like the voyager with a bit of curve and it looks like it has that third thumb button you're looking for. I think you might have to DIY it though - sounds like it's a 3D print type situation. I think some people make them to order if you want to try it but aren't feeling that make-it-yourself thing. Interested in your opinion!

0:27 I feel sooooo called out yes

I really want the voyager, but only two thumb buttons is rough… I mean, I suppose I could 1. Get ride of number row 2. Move letters up 3. Have 4 thumb buttons? Are v/b and n/m comfortable to reach with your thumb? I’m wondering if I should go for the voyager or sofle. ZSA seems like a good company ( I have an ergodox and am happy with it/ customer support), but more thumbkeys and a trackball would be so dope.

It seems we have pretty much the same RSI issues and while the suggestion I'm about to give is largely useless at this point, hopefully it'll help you find a solution regardless. I also gave up on having a gaming layer on my ErgoDox EZ, but I went a step further and also gave up on mice. If I _have_ to use a mouse, I stick to trackballs. The Logitech MX Ergo is a great all-rounder and for quicker paced games, I recommend the GameBall. However - and here comes the useless part since the device is no longer produced - I've transitioned to using the Steam Controller for practically all my gaming (at least, anything that's not a bit of idle clicking or already heavily gamepad optimised). It is very possible to use this device for first person shooters (and much better on my hands) and, with a bit of setup, for various strategy and RPG games as well. There are still some floating around on eBay and other platforms and if nothing else, the Steam Deck is also an option ;)

So let's say I dont want to play around with keys, I guess the Kinesis is easier to game with than the Glove 80 based on your review?

Is the glove80 good for gaming? I’ve heard that the finger well might make things feel odd. What are your thoughts

Hey, I am wondering if there are any such keyboard for a lower budget? I don’t think I can spend more than 150 on a keyboard but I’d really like to try a keyboard like this

Throw away Home Row Mods for One-Shot Layers, you won't need the dedicated shift key, and can mimic home row mods with much better consistency. Also, yes the Ferris Sweep is goated, best inexpensive split. Also I would look into BastardKB's Charybdis Nano/Mini. It has a trackball for a pointer device and will help with RSI.

Aesome vid, rare comparison on yt. U rock man. I own both a Kinesis 360pro mod 45g cherry reds, and a glove80 red pro 35g. I like better glove80's feel, thumb cluster, keywell, keycaps, fingers 'slide' and less hand movement. However after 2 weeks using the glove80 my RSI returned and I was very bummed because I loved it. I must be the only person that got RSI worse with Glove80 vs Adv360pro, and I am still trying to figure how to improve my glove80 setup as I really love it and don't want to sell it. If anyone has similar experience pls share ideas. I have the same exact layout on both keyboards, and I have tried many tenting angles and split distances. One thing I suspect are the very light red pro keys on the Glove80. There is a chance that a bit heavier switches could help with an easier upwards/returning movement of fingers, which indeed feels to be adding more stress to my RSI. Another one is that that on glove80 I rest my palms while typing and I wonder if adding some soft material on palm rests would help.

12:33 Just use ESDF :p I use ESDF on 'normal' keyboards tho.

8:08 I’m confused… can you not use QMK to program the keyboard? The website says the firmware is QMK.

how do you keep the Glove80 from sliding around? My palms will stick to the palm rest and when I have to rotate my palm to reach some of the fat thumb keys or pinky keys it will swivel the whole keyboard. So frustrating!!

What I need from keyboard is ability for me to press ctrl with a palm. So ctrl must be in its place. And it must have palm rest. I use ctrl a lot, to open links in new tab, text size , etc. Do not need way to many thumb keys, as I found out that if I use them a lot, my thumb hurts xD I use Dygma rise, and like it a lot. I was checking out Degy. But it has too many thumb keys as it got rid of ctrl. Oh and I forgot I need arrows, not on different layer but on default one. I use it way to much for it to have it on different layout. But everyone is different xD

I actually prefer kinesis adv. 360 pro over glove 80. Having used both, the kinesis is more comfortable and feels much more solid. The GUI to remap keys is actually on par with the glove one (nickcoutsos editor). However, glove 80 is still fantastic and certainly unique keyboard on the market.

Good video good vibes

I can recommend using a vertical mouse. I use it for gaming and work.

Which keyboard to mount in the car?

For a mouse I can really recommend the logitech lift

I have a Kinesis Advantage 360 arriving tomorrow. 😂

One trouble with the Glove 80 is that few people have long-term experience with it yet. Most "reviews" are just trials so far. If the cost were half what it is, that wouldn't be so problematic. Typed at 8 WPM on a Kinesis Advantage 2 using Colemak. 😂

Really nice review. You should really try the Dygma Defy, has all of the pros you need in a keyboard with wireless (with two modes for it, a low latency and a normal bluetooth), tenting, customisation is really good compared to what is present in ZSA software, thumb clusters are really ergonomic. After hearing your take on these keyboard I believe the Defy might hit all of your needs

When playing games, why don't you use WASD, but to use the normal fingers (pinkie-middle) with index and thumb free to press other keys?

If these videos were a drug, I would be an addict by now

I am trying to get one of these keyboards, but whats a RSI? tho.

Can you elaborate on exactly what makes zmk better?

When you said 1992 was 30 years ago, it hurt

Did you know about combo keys? I don’t know if the Voyager software supports this, but if it does, you could generate an extra virtual thumb key. It could be activated when you press adjacent thumb keys at the same time by putting your thumb in the middle. I don’t know if this is comfortable, though. Mattia Dal Ben mentions combo keys briefly at the end of this presentation ukposts.info/have/v-deo/rZ5-jIeLiod2wp8.html