I'd like to gently point out your intermittent self-critical commentary. So I can COMPLETELY REBUKE IT. You most definitely do NOT "suck at this." You're highly articulate. You drill into the key aspects in an honest, attention-sustaining, and even hilarious way [re: "screwing" 😂] Its so damn normal to take a "long" time creating content, although you can get faster with time. And I really appreciate how much this vid helps me quickly surmise about the Glove vs. alternatives. Anywho, self-criticism is so pervasive and even glorified in our culture. My pointing this out may yield NULL. Nonetheless, I hope you seek to condition more positive self-noticing. And generally diminish the so-called "inner critic." You can become massively successful without doing this. People do it all the time. But I want you to know and enjoy who you are all along the way. For more in this, see Pete Walker's books. In any case, Cheers !

Thank you for this! It's refreshing to see a real review with things like the "q" key. So many vids on products don't go into actual detail like this, you rock!

Glove80 + mounting plate + trackball captain's chair is unbelievably badass. Definitely want to try that one day.

This was very comprehensive, thank you so much. I just bought it and it's in the mail (you helped me make the decision as to which one to buy). :) x

Great video. +1 to the wife! I ordered a glove80 on the weekend so I'm very glad your latest thoughts were positive ones. I also went for the red pros in the end so my fingers are crossed they aren't too light but I'm thinking that I'll just get used to it. The other thing is that until my keychron k2 (current KB), I'd always had low profile keyboards so I might actually find the key feel is going back to something, time wise, I've used more of.

Looking forward to the comparison video!

got this keyboard a few weeks ago. this was my first ergo venture ever, glad I did my research! I really should learn zmk so that I could take a look at your keymap. I've only done simple remaps inside the editor, and it's very comfortable but there are a few keys I can't figure out where to put, like ctrl, shift, cmd. great video!

Thanks for making this video! I have ordered a Glove80. I am used to the Logitech K860 so hope the learning curve will be manageable.

Great review! I'm looking forward to your comparison with your Voyager!

I have both Glove 80 and Adv 360 Pro. For me, Switch choices: Adv 360 Pro. Build quality: Adv 360 Pro. Tenting: Adv 360 Pro. Configuration: Glove 80. Really...Kinesis..wake up and make something better. Comfort: Glove 80 Community: Glove 80 Bluetooth connectivity: Glove 80. Kinesis...I gave up using with two computers (Yes, I'm using V3 firmware) I use Glove 80 way more now.

Great review, thank you

Was waiting for this video

Thanks for making the video. If you end up buying the Tripod Mount accessory for the Voyager, I would like to see how it turns out.

I went from Kinesis Advantage 2 to glove80 about 2 months ago. Just the open-source ZMK firmware over kinesis' proprietary firmware was worth the upgrade for me, every other benefit (style, switches, bluetooth, discord community) was a bonus. Barring custom keyboards, I think this is the best keyboard on the market (at least for programmers) and worth every penny. If you're on the fence, just buy it.

Great video! I have been thinking of going with the glove80 in the future. Loved the breakdown. I would also love to hear your thoughts on the Keyboardio Model 100.

I would definitely watch a Keymap-editor tutorial

Probably the best review of this keyboard I’ve seen. I’m debating between this or the advantage 360. I’m a big gamer, how does the glove80 perform? Is there any lag given that it has to use Bluetooth all the time for the right side?

Thank you for such a comprehensive first impression. It does however stretches the envelope of a first impression :D I wonder how long your review will be. A few comments: 1. I noticed that you use a magnetic USB connector. We strongly recommend against magnetic USB connectors. We don't know of any magnetic USB connector that complies with the USB specification. Specifically, the ground pin should be the first to connect and the last to disconnect according to USB spec. If this is not observed it is very possible to damage the connected devices. 2. Regarding the tenting mechanism: it is a deliberate choice after testing just about every tenting mechanism under the sun. a. Once you have found the perfect position, you won't have to change the tenting again. However, a non-optimal tenting position is a compromise for comfort forever. So we opt for a mechanism that allows fine-tuning, since we ound from extensive experiments that even 1 or 2 degrees is enough to make a big comfort difference. b. A low typing height is critical for a neutral tilt typing position (i.e. wrist not bent upwards) on standard height desks. As such we chose a tenting mechanism that does not increase the typing height - not many mechanisms fit this requirement.

Fantastic vid

Thanks for the in-depth and articulate review.. I'm in love with my moonlander however being a person with slightly smaller hands I constantly crave the wells as I simply cannot access it as designed. Much to think about as I save up for the next thing... Also yes, I hate being "the keyboard guy" in my place of work

Good video, as always. btw I was shocked by the father of 3 part... omg, I'm struggling with one! lol. I really liked the video, keep it up!

The price seems high, but compared to other split keyboard options, the value started to shine. I wonder if someone out there already copying this design...

I have a lot of keyboards and this one is clearly the best one. I wished it was released sooner. I would have saved a lot of money.

1.1k hugs and going!

I got one of these for myself for Christmas and after getting really used to it I sprung for the quick release mounting plates and made a really nice captains chair. it took a lot of thought and experimenting but I managed to get it with a bit of wood and hose clamps. I love my new ergo chair so much its just amazing with this keyboard. my only complaint is that the bluetooth dongle for my pc needs to be literally within line of sight so I can't be wireless and partially under my desk I have to be completely visible to the dongle which is really really annoying, but regardless this keyboard is the shit. the rgb will kill the battery very quickly don't even bother with that lol.

Thanks for this. I’ve been wondering about the voyager vs the Glove. I’m looking to make my own while funds are tight. Honestly, moErgo if you’re listening: I’d love a less-expensive Glove40 similar to a Hillside or Corne, but with same keywell and good tenting options. Oh and Sunset switches. Thanks for all you do!

An issue I have with this keyboard is it will slide around on your desk if you place it on a desk mat. It’s too light for the rubber feet to get a good grip in that situation. However, removing the desk mat and having it placed on the desk surface itself resolved that issue. I’m curious for you to review the Dygma Defy keyboard. Also, which do you prefer? The voyager or the glove?

Please do a video on the alternative you’re using to the MoErgo layout builder. I have the Glove80 and would love a more intuitive/less power user friendly interface.

Thank you, for this video! I really appreciate you taking the time and effort! I've been programming for the last 20 years and I've just started experiencing RSI symptoms. Your videos are very helpful. Glove80 and the Voyager both seem to be great solutions. I love the idea about the keywells. However I've been thinking recently that the Voyager having less keys might actually be better for my symptoms, as stretching would be even less than with the Glove80. Do you agree?

This video has actully been the most convincing sell for me, I think the criticism really helps me believe the praise now it's only a matter of finding the money for it haha

I currently have a Dygma Raise and I’m thinking about repurchasing for my Mac. My shortlist: Dactyl, Voyayer and this one. And I’ve never tried a well. Choices, choices

Great video! I'm pretty hype for this. Not sure I'm ready for that $ tag but I could see it happening. Do you have an opinion on linear vs tactile for ergonomics? I've seen the debate that tactile can be better at keeping people from bottoming out so I'm not sure what I should be using.

Good review, one thing to note about your pinky reaching issue is that its specific to you. Without giving you a formal diagnosis it looks like you don’t use your wrist flexor muscles which would lead to issues with using your pinky.

Would be nice to see indexing on the adjustment legs so you can match them on each side.....or be able to get back to original position if you experiment with different angles.

Really looking fwd to hearing about a comparison with the other brands out there. For such a Niche market $400 keyboards i would say im not in the market. But my hope is that all keyboards transition to whatever is most functional for Humans and if this was $100-200, id probably buy it.

Hey!! I've been absolutely loving your channel and just ordered my glove 80 earlier this week. I'm hoping to build my own mounting plates with some acrylic sheet I've got laying around, and I was curious if you'd be able to share / upload the measurements for your DIY mounting plates :) It would be much appreciated! I'm hoping to get started on the DIY project before the keyboard arrives. Thank you so much!!

I was going to mention dactyl manuform keyboards when you said there were only two concave key-well boards, but then you said on the market haha

8:00 cool, didn't know about MCC, looks like a cylindrical cut, like the ones on steno keycaps, contrast with the spherical cut MBK or flat top used on some laptop keyboards.

Maybe an improvement for the tenting legs would just be increasing thread diameter? So the screw-turn height increment is larger? I'm sure they must've considered this, maybe it's just less good of a couple, more wobbly. But then the o-ring clamp-down could patch that back up?

Hey, you're using the same magnetic usb-c 'trick' I do. Very cool, and makes swapping or taking your cabled keyboards sweet and easy. Sigh.. I hemmed and hawed over which to get, and I took too so much time waffling, and weirdly I saw a HHKB on sale for $50 off, so I dove at that. So now I gotta wait and pace myself again, for these two. Great review, only gonna make me struggle more to try not to spend money like it grows from trees..

Hey 👋 Really enjoy your videos, and (very) recently purchased a glove80 myself to use for software dev. Would be very interested to see you do a run through of your glove80 keymap if you've spent much time customising it. Trying to work out what layout to crib from when making my own, without having to start from the absolute beginning and sinking 10s of hours into it before I get proficient. I've seen a few others that look good, but would be curious to hear more about how you settled on yours and what's important to you. I see you linked your git repo for it, but even so.

Do you use an ergo mouse? If so, make a vid on those too please! :D Much appreciated

Currently buying the hardware to mount this keyboard to my desk 🎉 ✏️ You forgot to add the 1/4" female female adapter to the amazon list, the one that is used between the c clamp and arm

The right side battery drain issue is a known issue I believe. There are steps to fix it on Discord. I don't know why they haven't fixed it for V2 version...

Thanks for the overall review can you do it also for Dygma defy and compare which one will you recommend

Over 9,000 !!!! :D

Personally I'd much prefer a heavier build version - preferably aluminum. At least heavy enough to not have to worry about the Glove80 to slide around on a table mat. Also, a purchase option with black key caps right away would be nice. Unfortunate, that it has no per key backlight settings, but understand that it is a ZMK limitation. Other than that it looks like a winner.

How do you use your mouse when using mounting kit ?

A lot of review videos and comments speak about issues with pain of various kinds with different keyboards. If this is you, look into hand stretches and exercises for carpal tunnel relief whether you have CT or not. Maintaining strength ans flexibilty is critical to thwart these issues. Quite often the pain and discomfort is a result of a lack of strength in the hand and forearm combined with long term fixed hand positions.

Funny, so the o-rings act like shock absorbers. I didn't understand that on the site, only makes sense with a physical demonstration.

Thank you for a good review, but there is always a "but", the palms should not lie on the stand when typing is active, it was not invented by me, but by such unknown companies as Kinesis: The integrated palm supports reduce stressful bending of the wrist and provide a convenient place to rest your hands when you are not actively typing. Microsoft: Keep your wrists in line with your forearms. Do not use wrist rest areas while typing. Also, according to the rules, you need to clamp the modifier with the opposite hand, the only case when this is impossible is when the hand is on the mouse, but what prevented you from reprogramming the keyboard there so that you don't have to stretch and suffer?

Hope you'll get a chance to review the Dygma Defy. Would love to hear your thoughts on its ergonomics and software. Alluminum build and Thumbcluster especially looks promising, though I probably would prefer a low profile option like the Glove80 (always used normal Cherry style keyboards, only recently tried a low profile one (Sharkoon PureWriter) to see if I could live with Chocs on the Glove80, and have to say, Cherry now feels a bit clumsy to me in comparison).

I was debating between the Glove80 and hte Dygma Defy. The problem with the Glove80 is the thumb cluster design. You have to reach forward to press the top keys, which is difficult. On the Defy you curl the thumb in towards the hand, and all keys are within easy reach. A pity because I am a big fan of the wells, but this time I'll be getting the Defy.

hey, can i ask you something? do you crack your wrists, and does that help your rsi?

Does it support chords? In other words can you, for example, map pressing J and K simultaneously to emitting a Backspace.

how do you type curly braces { } and square brackets [ ] on this thing?

I just have one question based on the last 15 seconds... if u are typing like that, in what moment do use ur mouse!?, how do u use it?

I wonder why companies keep getting the thumb key placement wrong. No reason to have a keys so far away from the thumbs. Might as well not include those far off keys and make the keyboard less wide. Or perhaps they could "surround" your thumb with one key to the right and the left of your thumb at a 90 degree angle, and one key that you press down on.

i really got worried for 0.5s when you said your wife is constantly bothered by "getting punched". HUUUGGEEE relief when you said "by her children"

Nice first look, would be interesting to hear your opinions on the "Dygma Defy" keyboard.

someone please comment; is this keyboard also versatile enough for gaming with traditional WASD ? I could just switch to my wooting when gaming, but constantly swapping keyboards is annoying.. Also, the low-profile caps make me sceptical, because I make more typing errors with other low-profile boards.

Product with that price shoudn't have any "cosmetic issues" ;)

what was conected in the usbc in the voyager?

have you ever been interested in checking out a Dygma Keyboard? Like the new Defy?

In Europe I can buy 1 Advantage 360 or two Glove80s. Glove80 it is!

2:57 Shout out to all the amazing wives out there :) (Mine included x1000) !

does them work in linux ?

Had mine for nearly a year now - it's not perfect, but I can't use anything else.

all the questions about reviewing the dygma defy make me think that these are fake comments from dygma trying to advertise their board. that‘s ridiculous

I am wondering why not many content creators review Dygmas keyboards…

Did i miss a section where you talked about using the keyboard, how it was, etc ?

wheres the += button

seems not hotswap?

> You will not find a more ergonomic keyboard than the Glove80, currently on the market ThePrimeagen in shambles!

In the last shot of the video, is the keyboard chair-mounted?

they need some sort of configuration tool that shows an image of the keyboard and you select a key with your mouse and press a button on your other keyboard to have that programmed onto the new keyboard. i did built my own iris keyboards many years ago, and i didn't know anything about github or qmk or any code writing at all and it just sucked so bad it took me month to always fiddle arround after work with that shit that i am totally not interested in. since my layout is a german, very non default, layout there was no way to use anyone elses config. I don't get it, my 10 $ knockoff brand "gaming" mouse has a software included that can handle your inputs and just bind them to buttons of the mouse. for such an expensive device they have to add software that can do that or they gonna miss/frustrate many customers

Dygma Defy is what I've elected for as my long term ergo commitment. Built like a tank, and I haven't been a fan of welled prototypes I've built and played with.

Shout out to ur wife she sounds like a real one bro

😆 WPM "Over 9,000"

Characorder when

I disagree with his take on gaming. It works just fine

The RGB looks offensive AF

Ok sorry mr monkeytype html inspector

I don't know, your note about the tenting solution feels a bit disproportionate. Yes steps are easy, but they're easy because *they limit user choices*. You don't get to adjust the height to better match your needs. In your opinion then, as you presented it (just to make the point, I know you wouldn't agree with this), the best tenting solution is NO tenting solution, since you don't even have to do anything to get the "proper" (designer-imposed) tenting angle. Also I feel like you didn't appropriately attribute how awesome that tenting solution is in terms of being able to *CUSTOM MOUNT* the keyboard to the wonderfully ergonomic position of onto your armrest. Is there any other keyboard on the market that provides that possibility? Is there? It really opens the door to tons of possibilities by bridging into the camera mount market. That's really really huge. Also it's theoretically a onetime cost. I don't know, it just seemed unfair & excessive, especially since you didn't present these caveats which I think you probably DID think of, but for some reason left out just so that your criticism held more weight. Otherwise great review! Thanks so much. I by contrast actually liked that you kept moving the keyboard around. I can tune-into you talking while getting a bunch of angles for the keyboard and how it physically handles. I disagree with that other guy who criticized you for that.

One thought. I’ve always preferred male reviewers because they’re efficient. This was an exception which I didn’t expect.

Fine, take my like and hug your wife.

Liked for the wife

Try the Dygma Defy

seems like you cant use this is you have abit of fingernails. stop trying to replace the $12 logitech k120 keyboard. thats the be all and end all of keyboards. nothing else can beat it. its $12. the spacings are perfect. its $12. its a full keyboard that can be smashed during games and still works. its $12. last me almost a decade. its $12. wired and totally no lag. did i mention its $12?

I'm 12 minutes in the video, and he didn't typed anything... come on man

Video production feedback: stop moving the keyboard around every 5 seconds, it is impossible to really get a good look at it because you pick it up and spin it around so much.

Careful before buying, it's buggy with many operating Systems, their definition of working is android Smartphone. The support's language usage gives off a scammer-like vibe.

eh, kinda cheapo build