If you label when you're about to plug nebula then i wouldn't watch it and therefore wouldn't associate nebula with a waste of time. Just a thought

Hey, where's that paratha/roti from at 8:19? I also live in berlin and am always looking for new restaurants to try and the paratha in the picture looks really good 😅

Compare with the repair cost of Samsung. It's way cheaper than iPhone

Fairphone is junk no headphone jack!!!

Will the $300 Livetime come back?

Or their prices going up xd

​@@fuseteamAs they should be.

There's a reason tech giants don't do this. Because slave labour in poor countries means more profits. So why would they be fair?

Like a Tesla phone?

Yes, fairness would go up, but technology development would go down. If you think about the most current device being active for few years, the manufacturer has to lure you into buying a new one. This would mean better specs, processing power, technologies in the device(such as USB-C, more reliable Bluetooth, better batteries(denser batteries) and so on. So yes, consumerism has got a positive side of things. Not saying it is the best approach, just we all benefit from it.

But is it really that helpful ? Did you ever need this ? I had not a single damaged smartphone in the last 10 years. The easy way to swap batteries seems to be the best part. As batteries automatically degrades over time.

​@@blablup1214looks like you answered your own question mate. my smartphones never get damaged either, as I take good care of them, but I'd absolutely love to be able to replace the battery when it inevitably degrades too much

The amount of transparency that Fairphone provides to the public is also very commendable. I am willing to buy one, if the price was a bit lower though.

My main problem with these kind of phones is the cost of the new parts. Seriously.. 100 euros for an almost low-end display (especially if the phone itself is already 2-3 years old) is simply a scam. If it was 30-40 euros, it would be "fair".. but i rather just save the 100bucks, and get a new midrange phone for around 200.. which is already better in every single aspect than a few years old phone.

but why cant we have a company whose actual main concern is repairability, upgradeability and low cost?

In my opinion it is still far too expensive for what you get. The only plus in my opinion is, that I can swap the batterie fairly easy which wouldn't be enough to buy a 700€ mobile phone.

Well, there is a premium to having the factory workers not jumping out of the window. So that's that.

"Consider them in future" yeah sure you will buddy

I can happily say that the 4 already got there. It's a bit bulky but with how it is now i don't think anyone would raise an eyebrow if I handed it to them. This is fixing even the bulk, so if you can afford that price tag, is really recommend it.

@@blablup1214 pssst, get one second hand, I got my fp4 for less than $170

Yea sadly what they do still leads them to making more money and being worse for the environment, all while they are pretending to be better. It is no coincidence that the first time they removed the charger brick from the box, they also changed the cable so it wouldn't work with any of your older charging bricks.

I love what Fairphone is doing, as they give an alternative, but the big companies aren't really being shown anything. They are seeing that their disgusting business practices are paying off as they have a much higher profit margins and sell a lot more phones. That is why legislation needs to come in. Fingers crossed the EU can stop this non repairable non sense.

@@tinminator8905 Actually the problem is the government, who do you think makes it so hard to compete with apple and samsung? Who was it that decided that the increased tarrifs don't apply to pre existing consumer electronics brands.

Framework still fails at delivering the accessible, sustainable and repairable laptops to most of the world, while where I live I can buy HP, Dell, Lenovo etc. genuine replacement parts.

@@nonci6 Yea, but that is a temporary problem almost no company would be able to grow their supply chains fast enough to spread across the world in just a few years.

Ensure you keep the new battery at around 45% for storage as lithium batteries don't like to be neither fully charged nor completely empty for long periods of time.

​@@makatronthats a great point, thanks for sharing :)

​@@-w-6773I do, and yes no one should 😆 My phone is IP67 protected so I have never noticed any problems

It is good that you can swap it. But that the batterie is already down after 2 years of normal use doesn't sound that great.

@@blablup1214 it's not. But as I said in my comment, the battery it's not dead, I don't plan to switch batteries right away, I wanted to have a replacement at hand. And I have been a careless owner (you are not supposed to take a shower with this phone, guys).

I agree. This is part of the reason I am switching to only buying refurbished/second hand phones now that they’re so mature. (I’ve been doing this with tablets and computers for years because they’re just less cutting edge)

They are basically the proove to all the companies that this business model does not make sense.

Remember that "profit" means the same thing as "How much we over-charged you" Profit is always a bad thing to see since self-investment should of been part of the primary budget before profit is calculated.

@@SkyboxMonster Profit also means money to invest more in new products. Profit is necessary (not always, not if you want to grow rapid) and generally a good thing.

@@sierraecho884 That's only true in the current economic system. If we had some other system, which didn't rely on just making products to make money, but making products because they are needed, it wouldn't matter if a company made "profits" or not.

EU will force them, so fairphone going bankrupt 100% there phone is total dogwater.

​@@Daniel-qz8bpwhy EU would force them ? They re clearly doing everything what EU wants

@@I_like_aliens_from_mars Other brands.

@@Daniel-qz8bp Yeah, actually not. At least in the short term. Companies still only want to do the bare minimum. Also, judging from the sales data, people buying Fairphones buy them for a reason other than performance, me included. Right now, no other phone on the market fulfills as much of my criteria as the Fairphone does.

@@manueldeubler1127 So you want a slow phone for a ridiculous price😭

Oh they’re incredibly repairable now… as long as you repair them with the parts Lord Timothy of Cook graces us peasants with.

It also kind of all goes out the window when they intentionally shred their devices that could easily be repaired and continue to sue companies for trying to refurbish them. Apple is genuinely one of the most evil unsustainable companies on this planet.

​@@2phonesbabykenand dont forget, after we get his blessing to do it (literally have to call apple to register the parts so the phone will work)😊

Still Apple selling phones 240millions in each year, that is 1000x more like any model what fairphone sold, because a secretary or millions of other people with none tech related jobs/interest will never want to learn how they can fix their phone. They just want the device to work, they are bought that just to use it, not to learn something what they are never interested before. That 200000 people is the amoun5 who care about the repairability, what is not even a noticeable amount of user for any big phone company..

Apple is only talking about them being green so you don't feel any guilt when you keep buying their products. It's clear that their users care about the environment, to a degree, but selling them fewer devices will kill your business. So the only choice is to advertise their new products as environment friendly. "Oh, your 2 years old phone got a broken screen? Why don't you upgrade to the latest, we are carbon neutral, there's no environment impact of you doing that."

You can’t just assume that companies can keep raising prices. There is a limit. If you look at Samsung’s flagships, they don’t sell as much compared to their budget line. There is a point where the market supports the demand, and companies will bring the supply. Customers are demanding to use their smartphones for longer. You can see that Samsung is now supporting five years of security patches, and Google announced seven years of support. Overall, the sales of smartphones have slowed down as well. If you look at the lineup of certain products, they aren’t even refreshed every year: iPad mini was released in 2021, and the MacBook Air M2 13-inch was released in 2022. Companies are smart and adjust to market demands. Most phones had removable batteries and were easier to take apart; over the years, people just bought unrepairable junk and signaled to the companies that those features were desired.

phones breaking or being slower/lower battery is the reason for like 5% of new phone sales

There's this disturbing thing with retributive ethics, that if a fair company is not better than perfect, they get outright labeled like TRAITORS to the"cause" more so than "honest companies" that just let you bleed the discount off the backs of children in cobalt mines, without even the DIRECTION to stop it or do les of the bad. It's disturbing if only because its ubiqutous, it ALWAYS comes up, and there's ALWAYS worse companies that get off scot free. It starts to look like the consumer has to pretend to be WAY stupider about it, than is plausible for an average person, when they keep saying "I just wnat to to close my eyes and consume the services, it's not my problem to vote on such things". So why DO we get a vote, in these low-populated global hegemon countries? I mean what FOR? Because I see what we ARE doing. Work for the work and consume for the consumption, and voting is when the dictator collective REALLY gets to consume, the entire world. That's when 340 Million Maduros reach for the empanada in the desk drawer, and say they're busy with more important shit than poverty. If a $700 price could push a $450 phone into ethical producton, that's a bit differnet ballpark than your own parents paying their $1600 upfront cost for a printer while you sit here crying about cartridge prices and the service model. While you're PROUD of healthcare with insurance-subsidized MRI machines, with pretty pitiful standard of care otherwise on things that actaully should matter. But everybody refuses to push that ethical production with a handful of hundreds every 5 years, for something as simple a smartphone, we can see what's THIS CULTURE will do to less important shit, like healthcare and education.

@@PepsiMaxVanilla more like 25%

​@@tamwilfredcounter point ENDLESS GROWTH

My only concern is that it may severely slow down with time and become near unusable before the 10 years is up. Fingers crossed this isn't the case

​@@SuperSucc69phones slow down because the battery degrades and gives less volts to cpu

​@@aeydealso apps getting more processing-hungry

Nothing in consumer tech history has lasted 10 years And nothing will last 10 years in near future And the reason isn't hardware, it's software Devs have to support a plethora of devices and they willl never bother working on a 7-10 year old platform Just the simple fact And fairphone isn't vertically integrated like Apple or Google to ensure compatibility across apps and features either - so this is just a snake oil claim to be honest

It’s not going to happen 😂

Fairphone did have some greenwashing about headphone jack. But I think that's a miniscule mistake.

​@@nimrod06do you remember what that was?

​@@cc0767 no jack+starting to sell bluetooth earphones at the same time raised some eyebrows. In-ear bluetooth buds from any brand are generally considered disposable and impossible to repair. FP does sell spare buds and cases, but eventually they had a special discount and included free buds with every phone. Now they sell proper-sized "XL" headphones with all the spare parts available.

I'm in the same boat, I've been holding on my honor 9 since the fairphone 4 launch cause it wasn't as good as I could wish. The fairphone 5 will probably replace my almost 6 years old phone without update since 2019, still on android 9. Really bad support from honor, I don't want to be left alone after 2 years. Having a phone that get refreshed usage by software update is what makes a phone more desirable imo. Seeing the fairphone 2 getting android 10 in 2023 but my phone is still on Android 9 since 2019 is really frustrating. One of my app require android 10, I can't use it anymore.

i'm in the same boat. Tho i first want to get a new phone for games, i'm planning on getting a fairphone for college related things cause the repairability

Where did you get GCam from? I know that there are a whole bunch of ports and I really don't know how to approach it or which one to rely on. Not sure if links work in comments, but just mentioning where I can find it should be fine. Thanks! Also, if you're having trouble with Google services running all the time, then it could be useful to know that CalyxOS is planning support for the FP5. They were sent a few units for development. I'm planning to use that and hope it will save some battery.

Degoogle your phone. Will guarantee you won't be spied on, and you'll have less bloat.

A Huawei phone could be option B, but they are very expensive, and I have the feeling that if not Google Mobile Services, Huawei Mobile Services would eat up your battery instead xD

I honestly don't understand why they got new camera modules. They took a year or more to get the software ready on the 4 only to upgrade to a marginally better sensor and scrap their work.

The probelms comes at camera department, Gcam can not be always useful unless it's ported specifically for fairphone by a developer, then as mentioned in video fairphone need to grab much more sales number to ask the camera sensor makers like sony, Samsung, omnivision etc. To custom developm a chip for them. Other than cameras other things look pretty good than other androids especially the software support :)

I have a question for you. I'm very happy with my 3+ but as an avid concert goer there is one thing that irritates me. Whenever I record a concert, the audio gets completely distorted. I don't expect pitchperfect sound as that isn't what they are made for but my old phone could at least record the music somewhat okay. Supposedly it's because I have faulty model. Does yours work fine in that way?

@@Casshio Sadly I have not encountered this. Have you contacted Support? I have troubleshot a keyboard issue with them and they have been very helpful, they also sent a back cover for free because my letters peeled off. I have never really recorded audio... videos that I have recorded have normal audio, I have not noticed anything weird with it

@@VideogamesAsArt I have contacted support and they have been helpful! Even offered me to swap my phone for a new one. Same model of course. But they are not sure where the problem comes from and assume that my specific phone is just faulty. And yea, I mean the audio of videos. It's incredibly distorted. So, I was wondering if this Fairphone model or previous ones have the same issue but I suppose that's not the case if your video recordings are without major sound issues.

yes I don't record very often but the few videos I recorded sound OK@@Casshio. Good luck with your new unit, hope it works out better this time!

@@VideogamesAsArt Thanks for taking the time!

My main concern is the hardware durability. Since the specs are just average, I'm afraid that the phone will be barely usable for regular browsing in 6 years from now, like it is for a 6 years old mid-range Android. (I can't imagine in 10 years) If I'm paying that much, I'd rather go for an Iphone or high end Android that I now will be perfectly fine in 6 or 7 years. Especially that for a device I'm gonna use that long and everyday, I want to have the best experience as possible (so I'd be less likely to give up on the phone and replace it) My today's Galaxy S7 from 2016 received its last update in 2018 but still works well. The "fairness" of a smartphone also depends of the way of we, customers, treat it. (and to my eyes it's the biggest issue since people change phones because they actually want to change, not because they are forced to.)

@@MasoMathiou Well, what determines how much specs you need for browsing in the future? I understand you expect the requirements to go up with time, but does it make sense that they should?

But then again, even a period of replaceablity is better than nothing.

If they were forced by people´s wallet surely they wont retire reparability, if it was because regulations they will pass the cost to another area.

@@blitzkr5329 huh?

@@nielskorpel8860 the way to change how companies behave is with costumer wallet, little does it matter if people complain about anything if they keep giving their money

high repairability = no new models needed. the current business model of programmed obsolescence is the main enemy of repair philosophy. cause if i can repair my object, i will not buy the new model one.

Uhhhh... no. Performance per watt has definitely increased massively. To the point where flagship phones could totally be used as office computers if given the peripherals and software support (See DeX et al). Performance per dollar has also increased for mid-range and low-end phones.

@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStartMost co2 is not wasted from creating energy to charge your phone, but in the actual creation of the device itself.

Would recommend some of linus’ newer videos where he uses his five-year-old Note 9. While insignificant year-over-year, those do compound into something greater.

Agreed, and it is the only reason I haven't bought a Fairphone yet. The downside to using a phone for a long time, or buying a second hand one is the lack of security updates. Even custom roms don't fully solve that issue since those don't provide vendor firmware updates.

Buying used phones is also a good option. Got myself an used iPhone. Not only was it much cheaper, but, at least in theory, it eliminated necessity to produce a new device

Indeed. They've said it was one of the most common complaints about the Fairphone 4, so why the hell did they ignore all of that and decide not to fix it in this new model? Frankly it's the one thing that'd make me actually want to upgrade from the FP4.

​​​@@GremliviaBecause they want to sell their wireless headphones/earbuds. EU is soon forcing all manufacturers to sell phones with easy replaceable batteries, making a Fairphone obsolete for most costumers. Because frankly, swapping the battery is all you need to do after 3 years and you're again good to go until you get to the point that your CPU is just too slow for normal daily usage.

@@PySnek The interest of Fairphone is not just the replaceable battery, but the ability to update the phone part, or change them very easily, and this is a big plus. But the lack of 3,5 is a very bad joke coming from them.

@@nathleflutiste Nope, nothing really to update tbh... They always advertised it but never really delivered. I only remember a small camera upgrade for the FP3. The FP4 had no hardware upgrades at all. Yes, changing parts is a plus but with the downside of a heavy and bulky phone and you can't submerge it in water.

@@PySnek Seriously ? This is very disappointing giving how much they have been advertising about it. This remind me LG with the G5, great idea but never implemented correctly.

Yes, they just needed to add coil to back panel and some additional pins that would connect with back panel.

I had (and still have) the Lumia 822 and it had the same capability. The difference is that the 822 didn't ship with wireless charging. I had to buy a different back cover from Verizon and made the phone slightly thicker. It certainly isn't water resistant though.

thats a great point!

Samsung also had wireless charging backplates for devices before the S6 came out

That's exactly how it worked with the LG G3. The coils for wireless charging and NFC are a sticker inside the removable back cover and some spring loaded pins in the back panel of the actual phone made the connection when the cover was snapped on. Worked flawlessly. @@zawarudo1041

Huawei also has their bootloaders locked shut

@@servissop151 and Samsung

Agree hard. Realy don't get why the Sonys are not more popular

Also note that Sony also makes really good wireless buds, so you can make phones with 3.5mms and still do well on the wireless front

​@@donkeytits1sony used to have a really weird UI, dont know about their current version. Not their phones are just too expensive when you could get a previous flagship model from google or samsung and still get more updates. Software is also what killed LGs phones even though they had amazing hardware. But the headphone jack would tip me over to Sony tbh.

It was actually IP67 but still very good. I hope someone makes an aftermarket backplate with bigger battery and wireless charging for these phones at some point.

​@@Luke357Do you even need wireless charging? It wastes more electricity compared to charge the same amount for wired. Surely that would be bad for the planet, right?

@@Kromiball I'd be getting the phone for longevity not efficiency. I like wireless charging because it reduces wear on the ports and it's just so convenient to just drop my phone on the pad and forget about it. Much easier than plugging it in at night.

​@@Kromiballwhen your usb port degrades you can still charge it wireless. Thats a huge win. The reduced efficiency doesnt actually matter much unless we are talking about speed. Phone batteries just arent big enough for it to matter.

Yeah I also remember the good old days, waterproof, swappable battery, headphone jack and SD card.

the poor performance of this phone means that they are going to last shorter than iPhones even with the so-called planned obsolescence. and ironically iPhones are well-known for their longevity; many people use them for more than 5 years. iPhones are built to last, the performance is future-proof, and they receive very long software support.

@@haomingli6175 First of all, that is your gut speaking. And pushing an Apple product on a Fairphone video is clearly missing the point of all of this! Apple enforces planed obsolescence, are the biggest threat to right to repair, often scams their costumers etc etc. The complete opposite of the values found in a Fairphone.

And even fewer know that the Fairphone 4 along, with all the same spare parts, is available in North America via a 3rd party called Murena.

and most people nowadays dont even care about this, i mean majority.

They did it in the past with Fairphone 2 and 3. I guess that hardware wise there's not that much you can upgrade before it's the SoC you need to replace, and as he said in the video, modular chips are not a thing yet

@@nachopascual96 they can make a module with 3 cameras instead of two and also use better sensors and lenses

I don't see much value in Framework upgrades - except storage and RAM like in other notebooks. Just sell and buy another, at least previous motherboard sold with working notebook - less waste.

@@cyano3d they have pretty good sensors already, I believe it's the software that limits performance. And yeah, adding a third camera could be a valid upgrade but then you lose the TOF sensor

@@nachopascual96 explain me who the hell needs a tof, a lidar is still understandable or maybe something niche like infrared even. But tof isn't supposed to take so much space which could have been a 3x or 5x tele

The only complaints I have is they don't sell them or provide warranty where I live! I pretty quickly got used to the sound and vibration quality and although it sometimes gets slow and glitchy my Samsung did the same thing

@@NathamelCamel yeah well glitches are part of the Android experience i fear. You can mitigate some with performance and i feel like these phones are string enough to do that for a while.

the battery is not serialized. and even replacing it through official means is not expensive with Apple. and Apple will gladly buy your phone back to refurbish it. also iPhone are much more future-proof and well-built and so they last longer without breaking or needing to be upgraded in the first place. the iPhone can last 5 years or longer for many people.

It's not charity. It's the right thing to do. When you pay your employees a fair wage, that's not charity, right? But when you don't do that, you are essentially stealing from them. Not you specifically, rather "you" in general that includes myself. I am currently using a Realme 1 (Oppo), which I am confident that didn't have a thought of "fairness" in mind when they made it. A phone that barely costed me 130 USD lasting 5+ years is quite a miracle. I have been careful with the device too, but nothing over the board. Having said that, I wish to get a Fair Phone too next. It will be considerably more expensive than what I want to spend on a phone. But at the same time, it will send a message that consumers care about these things and that they are willing to spend more on devices that are made more sustainably. I can live with the price, because it's a "buy once, cry once" kind of situation. However, the phone not having a headphone jack is a major turn off for me. It will render all my wired headphones useless immediately and I will have to buy wireless ones. I like the comfort of wired headphones.

While their phones are indeed pricier, it's important to take into account that they're more expensive because they're fairer, but especially, because they enable you to keep your phone for longer, in the long run you can actually save money

@@ArunBasilLal I agree 100% with the fairness/not charity thing you mentioned, couldn't have found better words for it! And while using your phone as long as possible and buying a used phone instead of a new one might be almost as sustainable as switching to a new Fairphone, this doesn't do anything to support fair production. Using a Fairphone sends a clear signal to the industry, it supports a company that is trying hard to change things for the better, and it's a statement that's visible to the people around you, it can be a conversation starter and make more people aware of the current issues in the consumer electronics industry. Regarding the missing headphone jack: I get why people want it, I used to be one of them. But you can still get an USB to 3.5mm adaptor from Fairphone and other vendors, so no need to switch to wireless headphones.

@@VeitLehmann Thank you for the acknowledgement. The lack of headphone jack is a turn off not just because of the lack of workarounds, but because it's something the bigger brands started doing to push their wireless products. I wonder why Fair Phone never spoke about it, or if they did, I am not aware of their reasons.

@@weird-guy it's funny you bring up fashion, I think phones have further analog in that you can buy highly recycled, ethically made upmarket stuff for $$$, or you can go secondhand for a fraction of the price (if admittedly a lot more time and risk)

I think they would first need to standardize how the components go together before they can offer upgradability. Afaict you cannot upgrade the fairphone 4 to the fairphone 5 for example, as they improved the design to reduce 'the penalty'. Tho you _can_ buy a fairphone 5 and send your fairphone 4 back.

@@fuseteam fairphone users: fair phone is so sustainable Also the same fairphone users: ow fairphone 5 come out, time to swap away my FP4 for FP5

and shifting to motherboard seller just like PC market...

Same here

At least the Fairphone 4 is available in North America via Murena, still no word on bringing the FP5 as far as I know however.

Agreed. I'd also like a bigger version is possible, as I have big hands and I find smaller phones often cramp them.

@@Sandact6 Dang I have the exact opposite issue, I really like my phone's 4" display and wouldn't like anything all that much larger.

@@notisac3149 Nothing wrong or bad about it persay, just a taste thing. Some people like larger phones, others want smaller ones. It's why I'm hoping for a bigger fairphone. Or failing that, just let me get an Ultra Galaxy with a swappable battery.

Use pixel 8 ! 7 year of software support will be enough

​@@Sahanawaj_ yea let's do that, Google is famously known for keeping services alive

Honestly a lot of that is the fault of "lazy" software developers not having the incentives to make smaller and faster apps, and unnecessary features.

@@Sahanawaj_ I ended up getting a Pixel 6. Needed a cheaper phone that could support a degoogled OS.

@@Sahanawaj_see the thing is you can’t really trust google with promises seeing as they kill services every few weeks

The processor won't last for 10 years . Maybe 5

Oh, interesting. For me, the ghost touch issue and screen dimming when too hot were fixed with the latest updates.

Its a Fairphone if it has touch issues just replace the screen

@@xeetzer5478 I have iode OS installed at the moment, I think I have to wait a bit, but I guess it's looking like a solution is on the horizon, thanks for the info!

@@edd9581 Guess what? I already did. It was better, but now it's starting again, so definitely not (only) a hardware problem...

The best option is ofcourse a second hand Fairphone. Just because someone else paid full price for the exploitation doesn't mean it didn't happen. Peachiness aside. Performance simply isn't the focal point of the phone. The questions for the consumer is, do you support the ideals enough for the price and does it do what you need it to do. If either fails, this phone simply wasn't even targeted at you.

The money you spent to get that used phone contributed to the owner getting a new phone. The way to break the vicious cycle is to stop getting these consumer scams that are designed to only last 2-3 years as Marton said and as evidence blatantly shows.

@@weird-guy most people don't indeed, as indicated by the small marketshare fairphone has. And objectively from a moral standpoint, it should be more.

Longevity with those specs? You kidding? It’s an overpriced phone you rather get your hand on a second hand phone and the parts are also overpriced.

In my opinion Fairphone is the best privacy phone there is! Privacy shouldn’t mean a compromise in the experience

All this text to say you don’t know what you are talking about and want to buy a shitty greenwashing phone.

Reasonably priced? No it’s fucking not, I can get parts from plenty other phones for way cheaper than that.

It's kinda impossible due to how Qualcomm handles firmware + How Android handles device driver via blob driver. Unless fairphone able to always ship every image of their OS with every driver combination imaginable (before mentioning QA for those devices) AND they somehow gets Qualcomm to give them the grace of having actual source code for the firmware of their chips then... No. It's is practically impossible.

This 🆙

The problem is the price, 600+ dollars for a subpar product without a headphone jack is complete madness, if they were interested in more than just pandering to rich hipsters they could have simply made a cheap removable battery phone with a recycled plastic chassis, heaphone jack and shitty camera and bob's your uncle now you haave a 200 dollar phone that is gonna sell like hotcakes

@@Madeguydo Making sustainable products comes with a lot of fixed costs per item sold, e.g. the extra cost of more sustainable materials for the battery and magnets and the extra wages to fairly pay workers to assemble the phone, etc. What you would end up with would be a $200 phone sold for $400. That sounds even less appealing.

@@ymi_yugy3133 For you maybe, but it would make the product more accessible for poorer markets and people who pay a lot more for electronics, and accessibility is way more fair than what is going on with fairphones now. It may be a surprise to most but in places like south america electronics cost about double compared to north america, and usually (aside from china) most non-western countries have a harder time having fair pricing on their consumer goods.

@@ymi_yugy3133That’s kinda ass, I get being eco friendly phone, but that’s the last thing I think about when shopping the only thing I care about is my money is being spent on a good phone.

yep rebranded bluetooth earphones without replacable battery 🤣. I did not consider them because they had no WIFI 6 and no wireless recharging.

100% its on your government and their regulation lmao

Isn't cyprus a warzone anyway ?

yea. removing 3.5mm and releasing their own earphone is so "sustainable" lmao

You really just announced "Yeah I didn't watch the video, so what?" lmao

What do you mean? I am just talking about normal releases having removable batteries@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart

You kinda missed the part in which he talks about the % of impact batteries have.

Isn't that more about the environmental effect

Another Sony Xperia? Quality build, pretty fixable, unlockable bootloader, waterproof and a headphone jack?

@@donkeytits1 ... no, a fairphone.