Or just collaborate with game developers to push the envelope on what's needed to run the game. I mean, CP2077... or Avatar. Avatar's got that "unobtainium mode" (or what it's called), which goes beyond ultra. When AMD and Nvidia release their next hardware, people are going to buy their most expensive GPUs just to have their game at the highest fidelity... and also bragging rights. ^^

"You got to buy the latest GPU from us because the following games just don't work as well with your older card" BS. Maybe if the game developers made GOOD code instead of slapping it all together and relying upon the GPU drivers and the bells and whistles that comes with the expensive cards to sort it all out, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

indeed. had a 570gtx for 7 years before the Vram was too little to open pretty much anything new. but the things it did run was smooth af. so plenty of power left.

The 3070 is a perfect example of planned obsolecense. The 8GB of VRAM is holding it back.

Cancerous optimization on games is the main form of this...

Yes, and do it with green, red and blue. Especially with Intel b/c it will be down right funny, some of those games have improved over 500%, we all know their day 1 was rough.

@@Dan-Simms only because blue drivers were so shit. Even early AMD ones weren't *that* bad.

@@Dan-Simms not just intel....amd also improves drivers over time which some pretty big jumps at times.

Use a drive a couple of versions in from the gpu launch, and compare with todays. These feels like Gameready drivers for new game launches, as it is 551.xx in both tests

I would say do day 1, year 1 and year 4

You do see this a lot when people still have much older cards that nviida just dropped support for. So the nvidia 300 series stopped getting updates in 2016 so no new driver for them. The 500 series stopped getting updates in 2018 everything after the 500 series is still getting updates.

Good catch. I could see one title being an honest mistake if they didn't notice settings changing as CP2077 is notorious for this, but _every_ title? I smell some agenda tampering here.

Saw this too. I thought for a sec that it could've been atmospheric difference... Would be pretty extreme and make the benchmark totally inconsistent. Something is definitely up

Even in Forza you can see clear texture differences.

Dwindle FPS did a heap of testing on Cyberpunk and found Screen Space Reflections, Mirror Quality and Volumetrics affected the performance the most. If you look at that right side the ceiling light is shining through a thicker volumetric fog. That setting alone has around a 30% performance impact.

I bet he let Gforce experience in auto mode and it changed the settings!

If it's forced you still need to plan how to do it. So still planned.

You're gonna need to qualify that a bit more. 8 gb on a 770 would've been massively overkill for no good reason. Same with a 670. And you're also missing the fact that a card that can run a specific game at a specific performance level will almost certainly be able to run that same game at that same performance level for the entire life of the card, unless updates massively change the game. You might as well complain that your AMD K5 can't run Cyberpunk 2077. Just because technology advances doesn't mean it's planned obsolescence.

i mean is not like 8gb is not longer usable only in like 2 title on ultra is having issue at 1440p

@@BobBobson I'm pretty sure he was talking about the RTX 3070 and RTX 3070 Ti, not 770 or 670. The first 70 class card with 8GB VRAM was the GTX 1070 from 2016 and the last one was the 3070 Ti from 2021, finally in 2023 the RTX 4070 (Ti) got 12GB

Yet most systems running a 3070 will be designed around it and therefore couldn't really make use of the newer games on the settings more ram would allow anyway. Vram requirements have been shooting up for many years - long before the 3070 came out. If you buy a card thats only good enough for average performance on todays games why would you think its going to do that on games years later? A certain big builder who shall remain nameless used to pair them to i3 8100 and 9100's depending on application. I wouldn't expect those cpu's to run CP2077 on high everything either.

This is a good point! I always do a clean install to zero out any issues like this or corruptible installation files from previous to newer. I know my settings and can always change them back again.

I always double check settings like some OCD crazed man with things like the control panel but even ingame. The amount of times that shit resets after an update or even the slightest file change is infuriating tbh

​@mikev8746 Dude for real. Games that don't automatically revert back to fullscreen after alt tabbing are why I have trust issues.

@@DarkNia64 This is literally me 😂 It all started with my system and how often I had to re-check shit to be in its proper place. Now I fucking check everything twice in life. It ain't even fun anymore..

Musical instruments are the only other thing I could think of

Never thought about that, but you're absolutely right.

Nope, Cameras have "planned obsolescence" in the form of batteries. Now, I don't believe most products have planned obsolescence so much as they have planned no longer supporting the hardware/software/device. And if there is a market for it almost everything can have a 3rd party aftermarket parts. Unless you are malicious and locked out at the software level. Which most companies don't do. Well, most companies except Apple, John Deere, and car manufacturers.

yeah and they sell them a fortune for that exact reason

Also wired audio gear tbh

You can see the lighting in CP2077 is also different. Looks like this person intentionally turned up settings to create a fake frame drop for clicks and attention.

@@zodwraith5745 I really hope it was a mistake but my intuition is the same

its always what these channels do to generate negative attention / clicks. wouldnt surprise me if they intentionally lowered the core clock & vram clock speed on the gpu too. or forget to restart the machine after driver update / re-apply the overclock for the gpu or just let a chrome browser open on a 2nd screen & u will get the 10-15 fps difference i never had any driver that lowered performance except in 2 cases - 1st did lower my fps by around maybe 5% but got rid of the horrible microstutters and 2nd case was actually a driver issue they fixed after ~2 weeks that lowered performance in 2 titles i played. every driver since the gtx 9800 times gave me more performance, stability or nothing in specific titles i played but never willingly lower performance (cant speak about AMD though), some game updates however completely tanked it which got fixed mostly too.

I also thought that it was odd that Jay never mentioned VRAM when he mentioned every other stat.

@@squidwardo7074 One game, maybe. CP2077 is notorious for resetting your settings, but _every_ game? No way. That HAS to be intentional for either a narrative or agenda. I'm guessing that agenda is clickbait or just straight up Nvidia bashing.

how is there still micro stutters with single card setups?

@@kevinerbs2778 I didn't experience it too much in my setup compared the others. I did see in every update pre-551 drivers in a lot of reddit posts that the micro stuttering with v-sync + g-sync/free sync was causing people to have issues while playing games (think of a jumpy fps graph in msi afterburner while v-sync is enabled in the driver type of issue). I guess it depends on the setup. A lot of the people complaining had 4090's, 4080's, and some 30 series too. My 5600x/3090 setup wasn't entirely affected since I run at 4k60 capped at 58 fps with vsync + g-sync, but I still did notice bigger stutters pre-551 drivers that were fixed on 551.52.

got any documentation on this? id be curious. i can' seem to find anything on the topic myself

Without going into a bunch of detail, I have an RTX 3070ti, with the newer drivers I have been able to finally get rid of the micro stutters and get better framerates when aligning my monitor settings and v-sync. I have MSI monitors with adaptive sync and have battled micro stuttering forever. I can now finally eliminate most of the stuttering.

@@drmorgan6903 good to hear! glad that adaptive sync and v-sync has finally worked out for you with the recent driver release.

was gonna say light bulbs! you beat me to it! 😎

That is in fact, false Look up technology connection's video on it

This is not the slam dunk you think it is. The reality is that while it looks bad. There are good reasons to do what they did. And since no one can prove why they did it we have no way of knowing. The main ones are efficiency and heat. The only way to make an incandescent bulb last longer is to make it run cooler and because the way an incandescent makes light is black body radiation you get dimmer bulbs on the orange-red end of the spectrum that generate a lot of heat but not a lot of light. So you would need more bulbs to provide the same amount of illumination but you would be generating way more heat while doing that and increasing the chances of in-wall electrical fires. It could have been planned obsolescence. or it could have been to make the light more attractive to customers by making it brighter than candles. or it could have been a thing to reduce the energy required since the grid wasn't as large as it is now. We will never know.

this example cannot be proven true, there are legitimate reasons to limit the lifespan of an incandescent lightbulb

@@MaheerKibria👈 this guy have fallen for the capitalist propaganda 😨

That gpu is almost 10 years old now, at this point any performance drop would be from thermal paste or something like that being old from use. Would you count that as planned obsolescence?

@@MSusername69 You're just assuming they haven't changed that old paste? I do that with my older cards, hell I did it to my 3070ti not too long ago and it dropped 5c. Such a silly condecending response to someone asking for legitmate content, be on your way.

Newer drivers just don't support old hardware, but they do continue to provide access to the last drivers that supported the old hardware. At least the 10 series is still supported by the current drivers. My previous card to my old 1080 (the great 780Ti) is 474.82 [my current card is the 3080 10gb]

@@ihateeveryone8161 His argument is pointless anyway, because Jay would test different drivers on the same card and the card will not magically age inbetween tests, so paste or no paste makes no difference.

@@ihateeveryone8161 and the same to you. I was just pointing out something that could happen to older cards. I could also point out that some of the new software might not even work on the old cards, so the tests wouldn't even prove anything. Unless you call companies stopping support for older hardware planned obsolescence. What about the silicon degrading overtime? Is that the same thing?

The problem with software is, that the combination of lets say your OS patchlevel, different divers and versions, software, etc. might cause strange behaviour. So "downgrading" might be the solution for a very individual problem that looks like "planned obsolescence" but is just a coincidence.

@@hw2508Oh I'm not saying it was "planned obsolescence" or anything of the sort. I presumed that the driver files I downloaded for 551.52 were either corrupted in some way or there was something else going on with my system. I was actually implying what you said, that each system can produce different results based on a wide variety of potential variables.

@@AxR558 yes, it is quite hard to prove planned obsolescence in ordinary products. But in a software environment, so much more difficult.

There are so many of these channels that claim what ever they want to claim with zero proof of the actual hardware being used. It's all intentional bait to get views.

How smooth brained are you? The point of the video is to show the amount of variables in any give test setting, doesn't mean they're fake (they could be but you also can't say for sure which just makes it conjecture) more so that some people don't put in all the forethought to make test samples as constant as possible.

@@solarix I think you're giving people too much credit user error is a very common thing, while some people sure could be nefarious they are far more dumb people out there.

@@Collector_Of_Incel_Tears I polish it to mirror shine, thank you for noticing!

I do similar testing on my hardware. Also I have talks with Gaming Uploads, I am not sure about hardware but he does seem legit person.

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Yeah, came here to say this. As a car enthusiast, I'm sure Jay is aware

Light bulbs are the definition of planned obsolescence.

It is legal in your country?

Agree. However, at least for me personally I’ve always upgraded video cards when I find them obsolete. Which is usually about every other generation in my case. Usually because the games I’m playing are more demanding/larger/more players and I’m not getting the performance I want.

Shh. We're trying to blame corporations for everything bad over here! Get outta here with your "facts" and your "logic".

Game ready drivers are very nice, and sometimes might have huge performance uplift.

When have you ever downloaded and installed CPU drivers?

@@zodwraith5745 Thank you 😂

​@@zodwraith5745 When you ask? Every time your mom bakes cherry pie; Or never . . . whereas microcode patches are a thing 😎 Kindest regards, brother.

Oh, but it is a thing. For example, when NVidia released 30 series, driver target temps went from 73-75C up to 85C, more than enough to push well cared for 10 series cards junction temps into vicinity of the danger zone of 95C, Enough to literally burn out the die if it doesn't just trigger thermal cutoff every time you run a full screen application or intensive task. And 40 series comes with it's own short fuse planned obsolescence device called the 12vhpwr plug, trying to run MORE power over LOWER transference contacts, a plug that is literally trying to push 3 8-pin connectors worth of power through less contact area with higher ohms than a 4 pin Molex connector.

@@HFRG-zq1qm Counter argument: Was that the driver, or was that just GPU's thermal conductors growing of age (like if you don't repaste a CPU it burns up), newer games that were tried; newer background operations. There are tons of factors. Annnd what does 40 series running more power have to do with anything, in particular about planned obsolesence?

@@thewoodenlego5379 As to your counter argument, the driver literally changed the "Optimal target temp" from 75 to 85, and any older card that has not been repasted is very likely to burn out from the increasing ambient to junction delta, being as the minimum delta is around 7-8C (out of box or freshly repasted), and with that, 85 puts even a freshly repasted GPU dangerously close to thermal cutoff (TC is 95, 85+7 is 92, a slight spike or trough in power can trigger as much as a 5 degree C difference either way, , and 5 degree increase at 3 degrees shy of death is past the point of death). And as to 40 series, the built in obsolescence fuse IS the higher power draw, done over a connector that isn't able to handle it, a built in self destruct mechanism. A 4080 draws the same power as a 3090, but the 3090 doews so without burning up over it's 3x PCIe 8pin connecters, the 4080 does it over half the total contacts at half the size each, meaning it has 2 times the natural resistance to transference and thus half the capacity, and that's before you even figure in the reduced contact surface area, and energy which has it's transference impeded puts off resisted energy as heat.

@q1qm No clue wtf you're talking about mate, 10 series have always had their temp targets at 82 degrees, and that target is just where the card throttles itself, it means absolutely nothing unless your cooler is hot garbage because it's the fan curve that determines whether or not your card reaches that temp on a cooler suited for the wattage of the card, and that curve is set by the manufacturer by default. It's also customizable in any OC software like afterburner or nvidiainspector, where you can clearly see that it's 82 degrees target by default. Dont make shit up to argue strangers on the interwebs mate, that's fkin pathetic. 12vh is a failed solution to a very real problem: a GPU shouldn't be needing 4 cables from the PSU.

@@rekt4guud134 82C has always been the point of thermal throttling, yes, but the target temp varied between 73 and 75 before the launch of 30 series cards depending on the driver. And once 30 series launched, the driver target temp went up to 85, not 82. And the target temp will be hit on an air cooled card regardless of cooling, because if it isn't running at the target temp it will increase power to bring it up to that temp until it can't draw any more or reduce power to bring it down. The fan curve just affects how much power it takes to hit that target, and at default fan curve it will hit 85C ambient die temp at about 90% of it's target power, but if you roll back the target temp to 75 and bump the fans up a bit, it will run 110% target power without throttling. It will also run far more stable, with far fewer crashes from a 2-3C spike in ambient temps pushing it into the burnout danger zone. And as to the 12vhpwr plug, no card inexistence today takes 4 power cables. Even with the adapters. The 4090 is 3x8pin to 1x12 pin. It's taking 24 full contact pins and running them down to 12 half size minimal contact pins. It was destined to fail, it was never a solution to anything but an attempt to increase sales by self destructing 4080 and 4090 cards. You can safely run more power through 2 8 pin PCIe connectors than you can a single 12vpwr plug. Consider the fact that AMD NEVER even considered using it from the start, nor did intel. Transient spikes will still cause the cards using the 12vhp connector to fail, and either go blank screen or restart the system, and it's only an issue on NVidia 30 and 40 series, regardless of TDP. EVGA stopped making graphics cards because they knew the fact that the 12vhpwr plug was dangerous and NVidia insisted they use it anyways. It's not about the plug being properly seated, it is the plug itself. And rather than fix the issue, they just find new ways to make it "acceptable" until that turns into a new way to burn up a $1k plus piece of hardware, in hopes tat their fanbois will keep buying the self destructing GPUS.

I'm old enough to remember when Nvidia had issues with older generation cards getting worse and worse over time. I'm also old enough to remember when they sold a product advertised as having 4GB of VRAM and oopsy they shipped it with 3.5GB.

​@@prima164 The iPhone 4 last iOS version was 7.1.2 in 2014. Another reason it wouldnt stay connected to a cell network is because 3G was being shut down, which is what the 4 primarily used. Also, phones tend to slow down with time is just lack of optimization from app developers/the manufacturer. Apple, or any other company that does software development is going to spend tons of man hours to resolve issues for a device/product that an ultra small population of their users end up using. Does it suck? Yeah, totally. But for any business, they can't support devices in perpetuity. There comes a point where you have to rip off the bandaid, even if that means upsetting some users.

​@@RAZGR1Z Old enough, come on, it's not like it was in the 80s xD I had that card and it was only 10 years ago. It was GTX 970. They didn't ship it with half GB less. One memory chip was defective and was operating at only 10% speed so later on when the bug was discovered they had to turn that module off via drivers hence the 3.5 GB total memory. Never had a problem with that card and memory was never the issue btw. In fact it lasted me 7 years, swapped to 3060ti like 3 years ago.

The channel thegamrone has a video on their channel testing a 1080 Ti in November 2022 comparing its 378.78 release driver to the then current 526.98 driver across a variety of games, the current driver actually showed in an increase in performance in some titles while others performed basically the same. This lines up with my personal experience with my 1080 Ti I've had for over 6 years now where performance feels very similar, if not a bit better, with current drivers (well technically my drivers are 6 months old being version 537.13, I only like to update when I feel I need to, but still relatively recent) compared to the old ones.

Refrigerators, washing machines, motor vehicles, you name it.

Not so much planned obsolescence and end of life with no future support. Eventually, the time to maintain the code base or manufacture parts is not worth the money it takes to make it. And if there is money to be made by supporting these older products you will get aftermarket solutions. My d5000 no longer has OEM batteries. But I can still get batteries for it from after-market manufacturers. same with my car and most things. Almost everything today can still be fixed if you have the know-how unless it's made by Apple or John Deere and maybe some car manufacturers. Apple really likes to use serial numbers for everything to keep you from fixing your own stuff.

Billion percent. People are brain dead if they can't understand this. It started with light bulbs in the 50's. They've been pulling this shit for half a century.

No non have, it just that a product is made for X years of life

Id have to say i think they do, my 2070 is playing enshrouded on ultra settings 1080p and not falling below 58fps

they tried blocking the bootloader unlocking method but managed to fuck over users since the update was broken

@@crashniels man my phone doesn't even turn on like the screen is black and even the notification led doesn't turn on. The weird thing is that the back area around the camera and cpu gets slightly warmer than the room temp after time so I guess it's somewhat alive? And it charges at 5.3V 0.4A but after a while it goes to 0.2A. I measured the power consumption and the phone literally ate 2 whole battery charges in just 24h?!

@@anzekranjc3312 does it show up as some qcom device when you plug it into your pc ?

@@crashniels dead. It doesn't show up at all

@@anzekranjc3312 is your phone made in April? If yes probably your flash storage died