Things are getting wild.

in 70s a statistician worked out that more goals were scored from long forward passes and gave that info to Graham Taylor who was managing a 1st division (I think) and they went up rapidly because that. So this study was done decades ago. Now AI can do it automatically.

Based on the constraints - known starting positions, short time period into the future. this makes sense for the NFL

"Football". It's pretty easy to see that this is the sort of tech that has urgent military applications.

@18:10 "similar thing to warfare..." thats the premise of "I Have No Mouth And Must Scream"

American Football and baseball is likely an even more applicable use case for TacticAI in what Petar is describing, in that each play state in American Football is well established because play is more frequently stopped (while in soccer, like basketball, it is almost a continuous, or longer, play state), so baseball, and American Football is kind of like a digital time step at the end of a play in machine learning (just like penalty kick state, and corner kick state is in American Soccer or English Football. I have to blame the Alantic Ocean for contributing to the fuzzification or mix up of the word "football" between the US and England, where in the US we call it "soccer").

Happy to have discovered this channel!

I've been kind of fascinated with whether it would be possible to quantify 'flow' in team sports and how things like errors can be contagious. I think you get a very clear sense of how a team is working together when you watch them play but I've never seen that aspect broken down and analysed. What are the subtle timing errors and signals that propagate out through players and is it possible to recognise them and enhance the cohesive ones and reduce incohesion.

Petar is a great communicator of technical concepts.

Next step is to turn these graphs into hypergraphs.

Hari Seldon, psychohistory, hey? Thae old Asimov was such a visionary!

Moneyball: The Return

Petar is very articulate, great job!

Predicting the future outcome of player setups (players and positions and possible moves) in certain play situations based on past outcomes. Is that what it's about?

But did it predict "CORNER TAKEN QUICKLY ORIGIIIII"?

Very interesting application. Software ate the world, AI is gonna swallow it whole. The future will be amazing. One thing I thought interesting is how he described the influence of different players on the success or failure of a set piece. I could imagine taking this on open play and analyzing the players could be huge in scouting.

They mentioned it could be applied to other sports. But they will not make this open source in any way, or available to collaborators, am I right?

I find him so relatable for some reason I think even that reddit mod beard is somewhat relatable, not because it look good, but because we've all taken awful decisions regarding our facial hair at some point

But can one apply this research to my FM 24 saves?

absolutely loving this GDL/NAR/Category Theory arc 🤍

This kinda reminds me of what F1 & NASCAR has done to integrate AI into their strategy. It will know the optimal patterns and play styles to counter each opponent. The part that I question is if that is what wins then who is really making the decisions and what would be the point of human coaches?

Awesome 👌

System 1 vs 2 is a reference to Kahneman?

I literally had this idea yesterday and was wondering how long it would take for Billy Bean/Paul DePodesta 2 to emerge using AI instead of regression models. I guess I did not have long to wait. Billy Bean and Paul DePodesta left their mark on professional sports.

Then teams will just change tactics, as has happened for decades. New systems are adopted, teams get used to them, and then newer tactics / systems evolve. If you have a good team and coach, they'll adopt different tactics during the game. Admittedly, few coaches do so though, and prefer to rigidly stick by "their" system no matter what.

Does it learn from MOTD video or does it need more carefully crafted data? Good for the big international teams. What about the Accrington Stanleys of the world?

Counterpoint: human foibles and unpredictability make life (and games) fun

Excited to listen to this. I worry that we continue to venture into a pay-to-win model where the best teams across sport are the teams with the most money/resources

“The game of football has so many latent things, so many unobservables…and sometimes a human might, in the moment, do something different.” Similar curse to self-driving cars and other unsolved problems where models aren’t embodied or have a theory of mind.

Thanks - I have been pushing back on LLM's will fix everything narrative for a while, and this video has shown me my instinct was right. The more specialized a model and better suited the technique, the better for a specific job. I think we will diverge again from this whole "AGI" talk and go back to the specialized models of 2016-2020. Also like the fact it is light weight and easily refreshed.

This is geometric deep learning heritage, I sink so, I sink so.

Did they get all Data from existing providers?

I’m curious how they monitor hydration, sleep, vitamins, minerals, mental state, traction of grass/turf on given day, etc.

Nice back yard!

What about footedness? Seems discarding symmetry is a baad idea?

I wonder how they collected the data for training the model.

Why don’t we use this for route optimisation ?

excited for when this take makes it to video games like FIFA!!

Curious!

So who will be the first team to start laying off their coaching and management staff?

Of course it was with my club Liverpool. Amazing to hear!!! Cutting edge. Lets gooooooo

So more high corner kicks on Virgil, or ...?

is there not a concern that constraining the network will prevent learning about things such as certain aspects being more important to the topic than was originally thought?

Imagine a team of footballers all fitted with vibrating implants that guide where they need to be on the field in real-time and we all watch AIs play against one another. Could call it AFIF.

The pentagon will hire him.

I was thinking at some point maybe AI can watch and analyse football matches, and automatically rate players top speeds, agility etc, or maybe even rank the best players. Exciting times!

Who wants to watch or play a sport where the players have to be brainless human drones doing what the AI tells each team. Then it’s AI vs AI with meat sacks as the chess pieces. This is going to get dystopian real quick.

This is what basketball needs. The quants and the quals get to settle their qualms.

very nice👌🏼👏🏼👍🏼 clap👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

This is going to be great for Arma 2

well i guess clubs will save money on managers

Pep has entered the chat...

"Tactical" Football. it's the best way to make max profit out of this.

was this not a plot to the anime tzubaza

How many years away are we from "Lets replace human players with humanoids who can respond better to our AI tactical algorithm providing real time positioning, "velocity" and instructions"? Convince me the game will actually be better with all teams working through tactics generated by machines. We will arrive at a very bland brand of the game where everyone predicts each other and responds accordingly to a dire state - individuality will be punished, collective styles will be punished, unique team compositions will be punished. etc. Look at what Petar assumes coaches actually do - 17:09 - "It will free up coaches to do LESS of staring at situations and more of the actual creative and actionable decision making part" - He doesn't understand that creativity isn't something you arrive at, its the result of the very process that technology is replacing. Ask an artist if their creativity is truly manifested when they prompt stable diffusion to spit out 20 images in a minute OR when they spend 2 hours painting 1 image? The PROCESS is the creative part. The "Creative Decision Making" IS the result of the boring "Staring at situations" part - without that you might as well give a monkey 4 options to choose from and go from there. Also, Who would actually enjoy that sanitized version of the sport? Another case of technologists pillaging industries/fields they have no attachment or stake in (so they don't care what they destroy). They're doing it to art, doing it to sport....go solve real problems that are facing humanity - ecological crisis, affordable housing crisis, global energy crisis etc. instead of continuing to destroy the last remaining bastions of human existence & creativity. AI technologists are the human version of lemurs running us off the cliff. Ask how many technologists studied the humanities alongside their software development, statistics courses etc, next to none. This is why you have technologists who don't understand the social and human impact of the work they are pursuing, more importantly, why they don't care. Is the technology cool? Sure but just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

This is a fascinating topic, but it's hard to focus because the greatest mystery is why he decided on that facial hair. I can see where he has stubble on his cheeks and further down his neck, so he could grow a full beard, but he's gone for a ridiculous looking chin strap. He needs to grow it on his cheeks, but most importantly his neckline is WAY too high and it's so bad it's actively distracting.

SportsBetAI when?

I developed a similar GNN architecture for a well known professional American football organization.

Well, that explains the 'Corner taken quickly' vs Barca

This sounds like very complex and hard to collect data?

i doubt it

It still amazes me that AI has not found any cures to cancer or similar problems. They have all the data they need. Petabytes of MRI and Medical condition documentations. Why spend time on corner kicks and not medical side? I guess it is about funding or to put it better, the lack of funding if they decide to disrupt the already money making sectors.

And wot about the after math

I've never been into football and although this is very interesting technologically speaking, it makes me even less eager to watch football. It will significantly reduce the flexibility of football teams to play if everything is about data and sticking to a plan predefined by super calculating robots.

counting on symmetry in football seems pretty stupid. Football players are not chess pieces, they have affinity for one side or the other.

The NFL is gonna have ai coaches soon 😭

This is the moment we discover that those unpredictable variances he’s talking about are predictable in themselves, that the model proves predestined behaviour, that the universe has no free agents, no free will…jk Feels like if this tech were implemented, managers would seek to deliberately confound it, so you’d need realtime updating to revise any plan you might derive/seek to implement…then managers and coaches would be second guessing themselves against the output… sounds risky, but you run the models and see what can be taken advantage of, right

А помните дом Фландерса?

baseball is the perfect sport for it, so discrete

Yeah but when are they going to do football, which seems perfect for AI.

Im versed in CNNs but I only understood 25% of what's being said here...

Ultimately, football crowds will come to realise that they have seen pretty much every game possible play out and then the unthinkable will come with a loss of excitement and interest in football as a game that was once full of endless possibilities

Who's this footbal club investing in this?

surely the main limitation is that the AI cant directly control the game...

nice video but you need to rilax with the camera blur

Wow, a video that makes football vaguely interesting. =p

didn't help vs atalanta :P

Genuinely it seems to be a false approach for what football is and it is used as an easy to grab funding case study for development in other fields. An AI used in football should aim to use available data that are hard to be collected by humans (in mass) to highlight tendencies and weaknesses of players to perform certain tasks (that are expected of them -i.e. the will be replicated during the game-). Similarly, trying to aid in figuring why a certain player can't perform their role in your own team.

All we need is a coach, can it do that? Lol #YNWA

That man is fully committed to that neck beard. You can see it trying to grow up to his face, and he said "nope."

AI dopeing

Soon AI will give you the winner before they even play so there will no need to play the game.

How to completely suck the life out of human competition..

Very cool! Can you make my wife love me again? 🕯

This clearly hasnt helped Liverpool lately 😂

I'm invading Shanghai

Keep AI out of football. The only real thing we have left

The term "football" alone lacks specificity, leaving room for confusion about which type of football is being referenced. This becomes particularly problematic when referring to soccer as "football," as it overlooks the rich history, unique rules, and distinct characteristics that differentiate it from other forms of football, such as Rugby, Mob and Gaelic football. Each variant, including mob football, rugby, Gaelic, and association football (soccer), holds its own traditions and gameplay, making the blanket use of "football" vague, confusing, and historically inaccurate. Clarifying which type of football is meant helps to avoid misunderstandings and acknowledges the diverse and intricate nature of these sports.

This will ruin team sports because players will become no more than instruction executers at some point. And for that, better just to watch robots playing.

That’s soccer, not football 🤦‍♂️

The real money is going to be in predicting the winners.

Football? 🏈🏈⚽⚽🏉🏉

Please stop. I'd prefer it if AI doesn't ruin football too. 😢

with all due respect, the main force in football is betting, and the main deal with betting is to not make it predictable, the idea is never to optimise, it us to remain human because mistakes are the main contributors to unpredictability and also if a team becomes much better than others, an arms race would result spoiling the entire trillion dollar scam completely

Nerds at it again. Can’t function in the world and needs a computer to do it for them. I guess it’s just all faith anyway though

Stay out of football. Not everything has to go to AI. FFS.

Note: it's actually just about soccer.

Soccer lol I thought this was about football soccer has no strategy kick the ball run run run run run.lame

Dang it wrong kind of football!!🏈 ⚽️

i knew this would be about Soccer