Microsoft ATTACKS Apple's M3 with X Elite - Will they WIN?!
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@MaxTechOfficial 29 днів тому
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@Emissary52 28 днів тому
Intel made a deal with Microsoft a few weeks back to produce ARM chips for Windows. Intel, in a few years will be making chips for Nvidia as well. I hope China doesn't take over Taiwan in the next couple of years. No more M3 chips!
@doctorkj5640 28 днів тому
We are at the brink of the new silicon war. Instead Intel vs Amd now we have Apple vs Qualcomm.
@inamulbhuyan 28 днів тому
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤
@JohnSmith-pn2vl 28 днів тому
nono, Apple will always be fine. it's INTEL, AMD , NVIDIA vs ARM, and we all know how it will end. they are literally dead
@jinraigami3349 28 днів тому
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl They won't be dead any time soon. At least for the gaming and 3D industry will keep them alive.
@doctorkj5640 28 днів тому
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl hey john appleseed is that you ? 🙂
@sageata2002 28 днів тому
Apple chips are TSMC, fyi.
@stranger975 28 днів тому
Just the fact that the industry is chasing Apple to catch up to their chip performance just shows how drastically the industry has shifted. Not long ago no one expected Apple Macs to have industry leading chips powering them, now it’s a given.
@DannyTan-dm5ou 25 днів тому
That's because Apple was using Intel's chips until said "not long ago" lol. In order to make the margin that Apple needed to make, they could not afford to use top of the line Intel chips (which are power guzzlers as well) This is what happens when a company like Intel forgets that the chip industry is very unforgiving
@Freshbott2 17 днів тому
@@DannyTan-dm5ouoff the shelf chips are cheap yet Apple was charging outrageous money for okayish Intel CPU upgrades, and the RnD + exclusivity on new processors + process nodes is expensive. I don’t know whether Apple is saving margins on having their own silicon but it seems unlikely. Really I think it’s all about product cycle and semi customisation and not about cost. Macs have gotten more expensive so Apple is probably trying to maintain their already very high margins by bumping the price.
@Belaziraf 14 днів тому
@@Freshbott2 ARM CPU are cheaper to produce. But the continuous rise in price is about luxury mindset. Apple is a semi luxury company. Offering less and taking more margins though, than luxury. They will keep raising the prices until they reach the limit of consumers. Right to repair is not a thing as apple literally rob the client from ownership. But except in the largest market dominance that is the US, only a minority of Apple owner are happy with its control. Most of the positive things the company offer date back to Jobs. Most of the worst started from Cook. So a hefty part of the raise in price should be for his salary. That's how extreme capitalism works. The more you abuse a customer and make it happy to be abused, the better you get paid. Now the war on ARM based machine is far fetch. I see many issues with Windows on ARM unless they do make great investments to solve them. But most customers will be linux users. A machine made for windows will work very well with linux distros. With more hardware flexibility than Apple devices. What I see is MS vs Apple hardware wise, but OS wise, it would be a 3 way war.
@rg975 28 днів тому
ARM chips are about to get insanely powerful… can’t wait!
@Techonsapevole 27 днів тому
Snapdragon X Elite on Linux will be a game changer..
@shadowangel8005 18 днів тому
Yes, we only need the drivers. There is plenty of native ARM apps
@not_amanullah 11 днів тому
Yes
@grzymsiu 28 днів тому
Outside of apple ecosystem my dream is Thinkpad with ARM and linux. Best keyboard on laptop and much more battery life than on windows
@ukyo6195 28 днів тому
Träum weiter 😂
@jinraigami3349 28 днів тому
Same, but Lenovo kinda ruin Thinkpad quality.
@user-zd7id9rx3f 28 днів тому
Do the Nuvia/Qualcomm chips allow using off chip main memory and GPUs or is it all integrated like the Apple chips?
@ericjohnson5990 28 днів тому
Is Qualcomm using the RISC-5 architecture in any of their chips?
@movdqa 28 днів тому
Microsoft has tons more legacy software to bring over to 64 bit and ARM so I expect more resistance to vendors porting and maintaining so many ports for their software. In some cases, it might not even be possible to port. I've been using Windows 11 ARM on Apple Silicon for quite a while and there are limitations to it as in programs that just won't run on it. Another aspect on ARM (that also exists on Apple Silicon) is how good is it for gaming. The jury is still out on that. Apple also builds their own transistor special sauce for particular operations that they need to or want to accelerate. That's harder to do with a general-purpose CPU and that's one of the benefits of vertical integration. So I'm fairly skeptical of Qualcomm - if they want to show their stuff, release systems to reviewers to test.
@inshal6420 28 днів тому
Apple also has the benefit of saying “This is how things are now. Deal with it.” While with Microsoft manufactures will keep making X86 machines because the general consumer doesn’t want to deal with the switch. There won’t be the same sense of urgency for software devs to update their stuff.
@SirusStarTV 24 дні тому
Adding common video editing operations into SoC of mac book that a lot people use for video editing is smart.
@megapipedreamer 17 днів тому
Except you can’t count on legacy support even with Intel, they are shedding ISA’s to get more competitive with ARM -it already happened to AVX. With AMD and Nvidia announcing their own Arm SOC later this year, Intel’s gonna need a whole lot of miracles to keep up, which isn’t good news for a company that is barely surviving on good will as it is.
@EyesOfByes 28 днів тому
I'd buy SPD X Elite for one reason: My Google Play Games, plus Brutal Doom running on ARM native GZDoom. Fastest Android device, outside Ampere CPU
@MarsorryIckuatuna 28 днів тому
Why would Microsoft need to ‘beat’ Apple? It’s not like many Mac user will suddenly change to Windows, regardless of its performance. Last I checked, it’s Apple that’s still chasing Microsoft’s market share with performance, novel features and eco-system stuff…
@username7763 28 днів тому
A lot of companies have made the mistake of copying Apple. Thinking that something that works for Apple will work for them. It is the "safe" choice. Something that is easy to defend. The thing is, a lot of what Apple does is either bad, or just not for everyone. Those who want an Apple will buy it and not a Microsoft knockoff. The computer industry needs more companies doing their own thing.
@trumpalumpa9368 24 дні тому
Not everyone is a diehard apple fan. There‘s a lot of reasons why someone might consider a future arm surface over a macbook - for example pencil support and an actual full OS experience instead of having to buy two devices at 1.5k each minimum.
@JamesJones-zt2yx 18 днів тому
For some, it's not enough that they win; everyone else must lose.
@MarsorryIckuatuna 18 днів тому
@@trumpalumpa9368 Fair enough, but then just DO THAT! You’re making my point. It shouldn’t have to be that it must destroy Apple “and Win!”? Should that be the focus? 🤷♂️
@kamalaksh.shenoy 28 днів тому
Everything looks great in lab. Wait till it comes out as commercially available product. MS also promised foldable computing device. Where is that now?
@fmax3000 28 днів тому
And the iPod killer, the Zune? And the iPhone killer, Windows Phone? And the iPad killer, the Surface?
@Arexxen 25 днів тому
@@fmax3000 I wonder why people still use Windows Bloatware instead of MacOS or Linux
@rowellc 28 днів тому
Is there a reason the M3 Max chips weren't mentioned? Are the X Elites the same intro chip level as the base model M3?
@juhavehnia7862 11 днів тому
I think the X Elite was announced couple of weeks before the M3 chips came out. Could the reason why the marketing materials refer to M2.
@ottf24 28 днів тому
Are those X test plugged in or on batteries
@RFRF392 28 днів тому
what about linux on x elite powered laptops? software compatibility, price, performance ... does qualcomm works closely with linux like what intel did for kernel?
@reddotmedia9888 26 днів тому
were this tests done while the PC was on battery or plugged to the wall?
@alexseleni3314 3 дні тому
Unplugged. ARM chips use the same power plugged and unplugged.
@prebenhansen9846 28 днів тому
How does the Qualcomm chip handle RAM and SSD? Can you upgrade the RAM and/or the SSD down the line, or do you have to specify it when you buy the computer like on Apples M-series. If that is possible I would call it a major win for Qualcomm.
@random_bit 28 днів тому
SoCs never have upgradable RAM in modern systems. And seeing this is Qualcomm, I doubt they will start now
@oo--7714 28 днів тому
@@random_bityea, it is an arm device, arm devices do not have upgradable ram, it is incompatible with ddr sticks. That is one of the consequences of arm.
@Arthur-hn5yk 22 дні тому
@@oo--7714 Arm is not incompatible with DDR or PCI, it is just that it defeats the concept of SoCs, look up Ampere Altra (server arm cpu).
@jaspreetsidhu5708 28 днів тому
I doubt it microsoft has done a poor job at optimizing windows for arm for years. And not only that the snapdragon chip runs at around 80 watts where as apple silicone has been doing so well at a quarter of that wattage.
@tharushagamage6657 28 днів тому
28watts not 80watts haven't you seen maxes previous video about the qualcome x elite
@finned958 28 днів тому
If the chip is designed to run at 80 watts, why wouldn’t it be used? Laptops and Desktops that can be plugged in should use the full wattage. On batteries, it will adjust to lower wattage. This has been true for all energy efficiency devices.
@tharushagamage6657 28 днів тому
@@finned958 the laptop chip was kept at 28w the they maybe use the 80w chip for desktops or consoles.
@chidorirasenganz 28 днів тому
It can be spec’d to run at different wattages from ~20 up to 80
@chidorirasenganz 28 днів тому
@@finned958Starting with your last point most if not all mobile devices don’t have that issue. No phones or tablets work faster when plugged in. To your first point is that higher power draw requires more power and cooling so the device has to be louder and heaver at a minimum and possibly running hotter. It also wastes a lot of energy. At 80 the snapdragon is slightly better in multicore performance and still is worse at single core performance and graphics
@ryuworks 28 днів тому
It remains to be seen if the ex Apple engineers spearheading these new chips used any proprietary tech they took when they left Apple. Judging by the spat that happened when they left it’s highly possible they did. The question is if Apple will go after them, and if Apple can even prove it.
@username7763 28 днів тому
Companies think they can own people's thoughts and ideas after they quit. Which is funny because they care deeply about your prior work experience when hiring you. If they don't want the engineers using their knowledge and experience somewhere else, they should make them an owner or offer something too good to pass up.
@martingifford5415 28 днів тому
Can't return to fans after using fanless Macbook Air silicon. If Snapdragon makes a reasonably fast fanless laptop, I'd return to Windows.
@abhijeetsingh5288 28 днів тому
I want the same ventless fan less laptops are so much better for longevity of the machine. I want it too
@natelaperriere3981 24 дні тому
I have a M1 Pro MacBook, and that has a fan however I have never heard it so it doesn’t bother me
@uhu4677 22 дні тому
I agree. Fans in mobile devices are an absolute nono. Also why would a 23W chip need fans for cooling, when the 25W M3 doesn't? This does not make any sense. If Microsoft puts fans in their new Surface Pro with ARM devices, that's just poor engineering.
@hieverybody4246 18 днів тому
Then you're stuck with really low performance laptops. Above 15 watts or so, fans kick in on ARM chips, including Apple chips. And 15 watts is not enough to do anything fast.
@martingifford5415 17 днів тому
@@hieverybody4246 Macbook Air is fanless and outperforms most Windows laptops in most tasks.
@tetonw1 28 днів тому
Is this going to be in the surface pro? If so that will make it a worth competitor.
@KobinaYarkoMensah 27 днів тому
Yes! Microsoft will announce the Surface Pro 10 and Laptop 6 with X Elite next month
@VoidDave 21 день тому
Im courious if there in the future will be ARM processors for desktop pcs (and removable like current ones)
@jjwe2002 28 днів тому
But where does this leave Intel?
@MaxTechOfficial 28 днів тому
Who’s that?
@kanishkkumar2298 28 днів тому
In the dust
@jjwe2002 28 днів тому
@@MaxTechOfficial Ouch!
@JohnSmith-pn2vl 28 днів тому
Intel is the worst, that's why the US and EU are investing heavily in Intel, gosh :/
@mrmerm 28 днів тому
RIP x86...
@Spladoinkal 28 днів тому
Hope this ends up being good and the price is right. I'm about to be in the market for a new laptop right around the time these come out. Time will tell.
@myappletests4155 28 днів тому
I think it's an excellent first step, but they have to find the strength to take the second and third without throwing everything away like they usually do
@ashita1984 28 днів тому
This time they have X Apple core team on their side, Gerard Williams is spectacular at execution and the man behind Apple M1 unlike Jim Keller he knows how to execute
@myappletests4155 28 днів тому
@@ashita1984 the team will certainly be better, but the problem is the management and the market. Apple can afford to tell consumers and developers: from today the platform is m1, so those who want to write apps write them on Silicon and those who want macos will use Silicon. With Windows it's another thing, there are many alternatives out there and you have to convince everyone to write apps and make people buy Arms through advertising, performance and perseverance. At the beginning it will sell little, and you have to hold on, even at the cost of losing a lot of money even for several years, until it becomes the de facto standard. If the management (both of Qualcomm and Microsoft) is able to do this we will have Arm as the protagonist also on Windows, otherwise it will end up like its predecessors did... all this always and only in my opinion!
@fmax3000 28 днів тому
They will and as you said, they always do, lol. 😂👍
@st4849 28 днів тому
So can we have BootCamp again on our ARM Macs?
@dreadavis9751 28 днів тому
No, apple will never. Earlier, Intel had bios control, so we had bootcamp. But, now apple makes the cpu, sooo.... never
@jamesnyers1721 28 днів тому
Buy a Mac to run a nightmare called Windows? Do you like to punish yourself?
@fmax3000 28 днів тому
@@dreadavis9751It’s Microsoft which refused to make bootcamp drivers for Apple Silicon.
@Blztrls 28 днів тому
Hopefully this means Windows will get optimized for Arm chips which means that maybe silicon Mac’s will become more compatible with Windows applications & games.
@Sacto1654 28 днів тому
Maybe for a _standard_ M3. But what about the M3 Pro and M3 Max with their larger CPU and GPU core counts? Let alone the rumored M3 Ultra that will be unveiled in June 2024?
@AyaWetts 28 днів тому
Everyone is so narrow focused and awed by the idea... they aren't looking at the larger picture. People still living in lala land.
@Riyoe 28 днів тому
intel chips are even worse, if this runs even fairly well everyone will rejoice because intel chips are just complete dogsht
@bichela 25 днів тому
I am still using a m1 Mac mini. Still very happy with its performance.
@tawsiaislam2855 23 години тому
These fanboys are never gonna understand. If you read recent news, Qualcomm has been caught cheating in their benchmarks. If you want, i can give a link of that news. The X elite now falls behind than M2 max in CPU performance and single core performance which actually matters. Qualcomm just beat the silly things of Apple chips like multi core or GPU. But they aren't understanding their weak points yet. Hoping Qualcomm gives a competition to Apple
@bichela 18 годин тому
@@tawsiaislam2855 While Qualcomm may not quite be there yet I think they will progress. now they need to get ready to compete with the new M4. and that is going to be a tough contender
@androidfixer7052 28 днів тому
Just use Linux with this
@mavinii960 28 днів тому
Fedora user here for about one year now and loving it ❤
@jinraigami3349 28 днів тому
Most of creative apps aren't there.
@ducktails1695 28 днів тому
Not a viable option as the vast majority of users don’t know how to use Linux, and Linux lacks proper app support across the board.
@Riyoe 28 днів тому
@@ducktails1695Well fyde OS exists so we are saved
@siliconhawk9293 28 днів тому
exactly this. windows support for arm is not the greatest anyways if they dont do something so as to use the massive x86 software library without loosing too much, I'd just fully run linux instead. only reason to run windows at all is software and games that dont run on linux for whatever reason (or nividia creating issues as is normal)
@m0601168 28 днів тому
Competition will only make everyone innovate more It’s a win win for us going forwards
@SuperRomanHoliday 27 днів тому
The clip at the front makes it look like microsoft have said/done something new? But then the video is a repeat of the one you did already. Did I miss somehting ?
@DennisSchmitz 28 днів тому
Honestly this is quite exciting to me as a customer that uses both Windows and MacOS (still rocking M1 Max). Less exciting news for AMD and Intel for sure though.
@jensonbrudy9826 28 днів тому
Don't forget there is still a huge market of desktop PCs
@jamiermathlin 28 днів тому
I agree, now Apple are moving out of the early ARM years, with M4 Ultra chips soon to be released the Apple M machines clearly dominate the laptop market in performance /watt and even now starting to show /dollar, it is the reason that so many people use Apple, I have an M3 Max 16' MacBook Pro and frankly I am speechless, it is top spec Intel CPU and 4070 GPU performance, and the battery lasts all day and evening, even when I am video and photo editing. It is quiet and cool and has top quality components, just look at the screen and listen to the speaker ! Apple haters can say what they like, the only reasons they act this way is because they are either hardcore gamers or they have not actually used an Apple machine, if they did they would understand.
@JohnSmith-pn2vl 28 днів тому
@@jensonbrudy9826 yea this will be in desktops as well, everywhere. intel and amd have no chance and nvidia is the next on the chopping block.
@AyaWetts 28 днів тому
how would AMD or Intel care? So far its not aimed to compete except in 1 small area... the lowest end lightest weight portables. If they can make a MUCH MUCH faster version, and get AMD or NVIDIA GPUs to run with it... then maybe, but at that point, will the benefit be worth it? Who knows, they haven't made anything like that yet.
@awaisahmed9418 28 днів тому
Anyone noticed Juan Bagnell sat on the right side 😎 in the Qualcomm meeting.
@Whyme103 17 днів тому
Yes, but will it be upgradable with usb a and c/thunderbolt that will actually power thunderbolt devices.
@stephenkeever6029 28 днів тому
I liked your lower key presentation style on this video.
@billymania11 28 днів тому
I work in the enterprise space so I'm firmly in the X86 world. Intel is quickly reengineering their chips and in about a years' time, they will reach parity with the ARM guys. I think ARM based chips are good for consumers and their workflows which includes video encoding stuff and image editing. For the enterprise, that demands Xeon level capabilities, X86 will be the obvious choice. So really, everybody wins going forward!
@thewatchmanstudios6257 25 днів тому
Everybody wins if one competes against the other and everything gets better
@ET_Videos 28 днів тому
I'd like to see some Linux benchmarks to see if Window is holding the X Elite back.
@user-ms8qg2rz5s 28 днів тому
When will they bring windows to Mac ? Tim Apple say Apple is ok to support bootcamp ?
@burtdanams4426 28 днів тому
The base m3 pro is basically the same benchmark performance as the x elite. Still gets beaten by the top spec m3 pro 12core chip and the m3 max
@PersonSuit 28 днів тому
This could be more fuel for that M4 release rumor. Apple could come out swinging at WWDC with the M4 Studio/MacPro with other M4 releases to follow as a "hold my beer" response. I am not sure really how likely that is, but it could happen. No one saw the M3 Pro/Max MBP coming out when it did so who knows what Apple is up to.
@perhapsme988 27 днів тому
And Apple still isnt using ARM version 9 protocol yet... M3 is using ARM vetsion 8.8 only i believe. Qualcomm seems still a bit behind. Microsoft has lots of work to optimise their products to native ARM architecture. It will be a difficult task.
@TazzSmk 22 дні тому
it's great to see some fresh air of competition, Elite X can comfortably sip 2x more power than M3 MBA because they can totally fit 2x bigger capacity battery (M3 MBA has only 52Wh) in order to keep similar battery life
@subhajitsarkar4432 28 днів тому
i will wait for this laptops, i am so excited for snapdragon x elite
@EE-te7ll 19 днів тому
These all tests are for content creation and gaming SW where all domain-specific job is done in ASIC: codecs, NPUs, GPUs but not on CPU. Please compare performance in Linux BSP compilation and FPGA design synthesis.
@SelvarajuManivannan06 28 днів тому
Upcoming windows version have complete support for Both complete touch/mobile processor support and handheld gaming support. They definitely gonna ditch old windows dialogue boxes and features
@KC-gp4mf 28 днів тому
I hope X Elite is successful with Microsoft to create competition.
@rocketmunkey1 28 днів тому
Isn't the fact they are not sharing battery life info more to do with the fact they haven't announced the first laptop using X Elite yet, We know what the performance per Watt is for the chip, with the 23w scores (marginally better than the fan cooled M3 Pro) Qaulcomm cant release battery specs for every laptop which might use their chip.
@fmax3000 28 днів тому
Or it’s simpler than this. They haven’t released the numbers for their current test machines and there’s no excuse. Besides tests were cherry picked, Google what people attended the reveal say.
@rocketmunkey1 28 днів тому
@@fmax3000 They're a chip manufacturer theyre giving chip specs it runs at 23 watts ! individual laptop battery life is down to laptop manufactures to release, how can Qaulcomm possibly release specs for every component SSD Display ect ect ect, for every laptop which laptop manufactures might release !?!? And everyone cherry picks especially Apple, but I'm not sure how you can cherry pick cinebench and Geekbench tests they're pretty standardised tests.
@77dris 28 днів тому
I think as long as Apple is creating the hardware and the software, it's going to be nearly impossible for Qualcaomm (hardware) and Microsoft (OS/Software) to keep up.
@cesar_otoniel 18 днів тому
I wonder how long it will be until this kind of chips come to gaming machines. I would love to see a steamdeck with this kind of hardware. Sadly, the software (rossetta like layer) is not there on the FOSS side (yet)
@inshal6420 17 днів тому
Most of your library probably won’t work but newer games will be cool to see.
@cesar_otoniel 17 днів тому
@inshal6420 windows games like Fallout 3 and oblivion are already working on cellphones via winlator.
@danielhenderson8316 28 днів тому
If the consumer Surface Pro 10 has an OLED screen like rumored, I'm looking forward to seeing it vs. the new iPad Pro.
@uhu4677 22 дні тому
If it has an OLED, it's unusable garbage. Those OLED displays usually flicker with 240Hz, which will make your eyes burn and produce headaches.
@danielhenderson8316 22 дні тому
@@uhu4677 Never had any problem with any OLED panel either TV or mobile.
@NEGAHNEPOHON 28 днів тому
I can’t understand why they don’t just make a Windows for ARM business edition that works with their MS 365 & an x86 version for games.
@aaronkoch77 28 днів тому
It seems that the Qualcomm processors perform slightly better than the M3 but consuming M3 Pro power. Definitely an improvement over x86 but not yet catching Apple.
@rocketmunkey1 28 днів тому
They are performing slightly better than the M3 pro at M3 pro power levels, if we look at the cinebench multicore scores X Elite is 950 at 23w vs M3 Pro 1010 at 25w The X Elite has slightly better performance per Watt, So if we wind M3 Pro back to 23w that would be an approximate score of 929 for M3 Pro at 23w vs the X Elites 950.
@peterwan7945 28 днів тому
@@rocketmunkey1 judging from Geekbench 6 overall score, the performance of snapdragon X Elite is similar to the M3 Pro, while the graphics performance could not be determined on geekebench yet. while no power usage information was provided, so we could not determine the performance per watt. also, apple's process have problem with short workloads, as the processor failed to sped up fasted enough to the highest clock speed before the task is already finished. I would say, more test should be performed before drawing your conclusion. however, judging form the known information, yours is a reasonable approximation.
@fmax3000 28 днів тому
@@peterwan7945sign,e core is no where there. GPU is no where. Efficiency, no where. Benchmarks are cherry picked according to Max on another video when he and other people attended the reveal in person and admitted they cherry picked the results. No Rosetta 2 level of migration. No tight control over SW, HW and OS. No Apple level of experience and optimization. No cache design like Apple Silicon. No custum encoders/ decoders. And the list keeps going on and on. The hell where is this can compete? Practically results talk, not cherry picked benchmarks in a controlled test environment measuring one aspect while ignoring others. Keep on dreaming. These ex-engineers didn’t take enough time to run with the secrets of M1, and they’re already old by 2 generations when another gen 4 is coming in few months. Adoption is key, windows and PC with its legacy support and fragmented vendors, developers can’t keep up, history showed.
@rocketmunkey1 28 днів тому
@@peterwan7945 Obviously we need more tests but Im pointing out that the negative comments don't match what is seen in the video.
@PoliticalMatter 28 днів тому
M2 probably but M3 not so much. And the windows software on arm not so optimised and the softwares for x86 need time to move to ARM so Apple can also take advantage?
@nexgen-3d-printing 28 днів тому
If the SOC is locked down and Windows only, then regardless of performance, I will just stay using Apple machines, if its open and we can install any OS on it, then I'm interested.
@perkulant4629 28 днів тому
Maybe Apple can make the M chips more of an improvement in response. Feels like they have stagnated a bit already. Competition is good.
@00z53 28 днів тому
Stagnate? Your tripin
@MoonshineOctopus 27 днів тому
M3 >> M1 and was likely the 3nm design due to come out in 2022, but delayed due to TSMC’s slide in N3. M4 improvements will tell us if Apple has stagnated. And will bury Qualcomm’s first gen of Nuvia products
@njpme 27 днів тому
Stagnate? 😂😂
@cooltune 21 день тому
Seeing the M3-series gave precedence to efficiency cores is a clear sign, performance was second priority in this line-up. This channel has been including battery live results in their reviews for a reason you know.
@bartonlynch 27 днів тому
They won't beat Apple, let's start by pointing out that Snapdragon SoCs are not a product of M$'s design nor they own it. Apple's seamless tight hardware and software integration/optimization will still be their advantage.
@Na0uta 28 днів тому
Big doubt about a snapdragon running windows as good as apple runs ios. Its not impossible, but windows needs to support a lot of software that is really old and requires the ability to run the code on modern hardware. Its never been an issue about getting widows to run better. Its always been the baggage of old software support.
@lolomo5787 28 днів тому
The problem here is gonna be windows programs with avx. Heck avx is also an issue on apple silicon
@rockssp5388 28 днів тому
it´s good to have options
@not_amanullah 11 днів тому
I hope price will be reasonable
@AyaWetts 28 днів тому
now if they only tried to make some higher end chips... vs just competing on the lowest end
@christopherwood12 28 днів тому
All this new silicon is so cool, competition is booming
@danmckee4988 28 днів тому
Is Microsoft going to have an "X Elite" version of Windows for the X Elite or are they going to have to use a translator like Apple did? If so and the translator turns out be a 'bottle heck," the performance gains of the chip will be negated, thus affecting the potential sales.
@bjorneisenseite9482 23 дні тому
Pissed? Dude take a 101 business class at your local community college 😂😂😂
@loldoctor 28 днів тому
Lack of info about battery, no fan less design… this is going to underwhelm if people keep overhyping it. It’s a great step in the right direction for laptops, though.
@syahroddinsyahroddin6798 18 днів тому
1:30 NPU X E vs U7 155H
@perrykeshahwalker5321 22 дні тому
I owm an apple m1 mac mini. I like the speed but hate the operating system. This is great because I prefer windows due to its flexibility. What would be better is if they allow the user to upgrade its memory and ssd in addition to the SOC with out performance issues. That would be a game changer.
@Solarsystemrdffdfyyhh 28 днів тому
They need to bring back the hybrid phone os and windows 12 for tablets and phones. Big demand for it.
@wanglee21 23 дні тому
Battery Life > Performance > Price
@jbettcher1 20 днів тому
Not beating them on the GPU aspect of the M3, but the CPU stuff is impressive.
@maegjohncareeon639 18 днів тому
Well, if Microsoft will use Snapdragon Elite, my Question is will they ressurect the windows phone?
@its-me-dj 22 дні тому
In my opinion, Microsoft should focus on their software than hardware. Windows still crashes from time to time when running a bunch of demanding applications.
@ahmedelamin8334 22 дні тому
10 years on tech videos on yt i have seen all, never take words of an apple user comparing different platforms with Apple platform.
@engin-oz9iu 25 днів тому
An Other important point is that the base model must be have min.512GB ssd. This will be huge advantage for surface
@xperiafan5370 28 днів тому
5:15 According to Qualcomm, the 23W chips are going to be targeted at thin and light laptops, with fanless ones in the mix. Also, there will be higher wattage versions in from other laptop OEMs which will probably be the ones to come with fans.
@MaxTechOfficial 27 днів тому
Fanless will be lower than 23W.
@xperiafan5370 27 днів тому
@@MaxTechOfficial Nah! Those are just your assumptions; probably based on the rumours that there are lower powered versions of the chip being developed atm, but those ar aimed for budget - midrange laptops. There will be 23W versions made fanless to compete with the MBA, before the release of the lower powered systems for less powerful laptops. The Qualcomm workers on the Snapdragon Sub-Reddit suggested that there will be 23w fanless laptops among the upcoming releases of this Q3 2024.
@Riyoe 28 днів тому
Those people dissing microsoft and snapdragon real hard right now, let me tell you this. yes, windows on arm still sucks, but it's getting better, and when you're behind you obviously need to catch up and that's what they're doing right now.
@ChristianrnstrupRasmussen 26 днів тому
Yeah. Competition 1 o 1.
@denischiosa4496 26 днів тому
For 90% of users those PCs will be exactly what they need
@Riyoe 26 днів тому
@@denischiosa4496 we need better windows arm support but if microsoft and snapdragon actually work on it we'll see things happen
@rajpawar9343 28 днів тому
I don't knownhow ARM will do on windows because Intel is already in game and improvments are massive just waiting for Arrow Lake.
@Itwasmeeeeeee 28 днів тому
Wait until they found out what people don't like about windows laptop is ... Windows
@Dani-kq6qq 27 днів тому
I mean, it IS the most popular laptop operating system by quite a distance
@batsonelectronics 26 днів тому
@@Dani-kq6qq not because it is liked so much as it has always been cheaper. I worked on win, apple, linux computers and customer by % preferred Mac OS the most. Mac has fewer users but a much higher % of that base is very happy with the OS.
@Dani-kq6qq 26 днів тому
@@batsonelectronics I have worked on win, apple and linux and i hated happy my Mac. I am not happy with windows, especially recently, but i really hated my Mac.
@CrYou575 17 днів тому
@@Dani-kq6qq I comes on cheap machines, so users are saddled with it unless they dual boot.
@rockssp5388 28 днів тому
my dream is a Surface Go with Snapdragon X Elite!!!!
@nadtz 28 днів тому
I'm hoping for a framework with ARM CPU and Linux in the near future. Otherwise a Thinkpad will do. Kind of makes me wonder what would have happened if Nvidia had bought arm though.
@JohnSmith-pn2vl 28 днів тому
1984, thank god that didn happen, but shoutout to jensen seeing the end was near and trying to avoid it.
@nadtz 28 днів тому
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl More like the start. They didn't get ARM but they did get Mellanox and like Jensen has said they wanted Nvidia to be a 1 stop shop for datacenters.
@soonts 22 дні тому
They seem to avoid comparison with AMD. AMD is more efficient than Intel, Ryzen 7 7840U and 8840U are close to Apple M3: faster on some benchmarks, slower in others, with similar ~25W power usage.
@mpeters97 28 днів тому
I’ve been all in on Apple for a while, but between the slow development of iPadOS, and my love of slates, if the next Surface has a good design and nice ARM processor in it, I may just switch. It’ll go handy when I take a look into switching to a Pixel Fold to be in Windows anyway. It’s a shame, as I love much of my Apple Gear (especially my Watch and AirPods and my Mac for work) but their slowness to adopt foldable and bring iPadOS into something more akin to a PC (at least on the Pro Devices) + their outright toxicity in the whole DMA thing, I feel like I see a face that I’m not liking in Apple (not saying any other companies are better here).
@fmax3000 28 днів тому
Piece of advice? Don’t go from good to bad. Practically, there won’t be anything comparable at least for now. This is just marketing hype for now and definitely doesn’t show the true picture.
@AndrewWong08 26 днів тому
No. Windows machines with this snapdragon chip won’t be able to catch up at all because the M4 will be out by the time they have this snapdragon in devices.
@litojonny 28 днів тому
and Appple just announced M4
@jayantkumarprasad2791 24 дні тому
what is amd doing in this arm race ?
@juhavehnia7862 11 днів тому
The X Elite was originally designed to be a server chip thus it lack high efficiency cores. Battery life will not be as good likely... Maybe the reason they are talking about it.
@ThaiLifeChronicles 28 днів тому
y aren't people talking about the power consumption of these chips. Id hope the chips that consume more energy give more performance duh
@CristiCroicu 28 днів тому
O would much ratter have a processor with 10 cores instead of 12, and run it at 20 wats of power.
@carloderouaux7639 28 днів тому
Arm is gonna be the leader in a few months
@AyaWetts 28 днів тому
lol... leader of what? Phones.. yeah its already there. It needs a long way to go still for PC, looking more at years if things go well.
@scottsun345 28 днів тому
I think MSFT surface with this chip has a chance to fight directly with macbooks in the same league. So for them it's not just about more Windows market share, but also more laptop sales. It is a big win for microsoft
@zanmarcusbiyer 28 днів тому
I have M1 Max,64RAM and 1 TB SSD when do I have to buy a M3 Max ?
@fmax3000 28 днів тому
Wait for M4 or M5. You’re still above good, unless you get a good trade in.
@zanmarcusbiyer 28 днів тому
@@fmax3000 thanks I appreciate the information these days technology changes so fast! It’ll make your head spin! Thanks again!
@briancase6180 28 днів тому
You must go now and buy an M3. "execute order 66." 😏🤪
@andersolsen1478 28 днів тому
Don’t you think that Mac’s will be able to run windows arm and windows games in the future? Why else would Apple put ray tracing in their chips?
@curio78 6 днів тому
Intell needs to put out a chip with memory on it.
@bobbastian760 21 день тому
But do we wanna sacrifice graphics die space for NPU space we'll barely use?!
@smbtecpl 27 днів тому
Have to see what non-MS vendors can put on the street. Are these Qualcomm chips going to be laptop only or will they also release desktop versions? Apple has been able to sell the same chips in the desktop market as laptops, with the exception of the Ultra chips in Mac Studio. When real products are released, it will be interesting.
@dragonarena5489 27 днів тому
Can you please make a comparison video of HP spectre x360 16 vs MacBook pro 14?
@PC-hj4wg 16 днів тому
It's on, battle to the end
@beyondu77 21 день тому
It's sad that the Snapdragon X Elite at 80 watts is being compared to a M3 pro running at 25 watts.
@hithot2008 28 днів тому
I feel that in this episode of the film, the speech is a little hesitant and uncertain.
@jinraigami3349 28 днів тому
4:37 M3 Pro 25w vs 80w, so X Elite needs 31% more power to be 17.2% more powerful than the M3 Pro.
@ElCarnivoroBBQ 28 днів тому
Actually what you’re referring to is misleading. There’s 2 set ups, one build is 80w the second build is 23w. Which is why in the video there’s 80 and 23w snapdragon charts. “Qualcomm allowed reporters access to about a dozen reference machines in a pair of configurations: Configuration A had an 80W TDP, with a 3840x2160p display and an 87Wh battery. Configuration B was slightly thinner, with a 23W TDP [Thermal Design Power] and a 2880×1800 OLED display.” --PC world--
@MrSamPhoenix 28 днів тому
I noticed that too, Apple has nothing to worry about for now.
@heroofjustice3349 28 днів тому
Its wrong approach. Energy needed to increase clock speeds is rising exponentially. 3x more power for only 20% more performance? I can guarantee you that Apple chips would behave similarly if we were allowed to overlock them. Its also reason why industry went with multicore solution decades ago.
@12akul 28 днів тому
Apple 25w is CPU usage only whereas Qualcomm 23w is system usage ie it includes display, SSD etc
@MrSamPhoenix 28 днів тому
@@12akul please stop it, that’s the SOC power usage of chip
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